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Joel Anderson Breaks Down the Diddy Trial, Kirk Cousins Complaints, James Harden vs. Jimmy Butler · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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  Speaker 1: have a hater. I mean, a guest join us, coming
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  Speaker 1: to us live from the ringer from D.C., one time
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  Speaker 1: America's fastest 10-year-old, Joel Anderson. What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Why I got to be a hater, man? Last time
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  Speaker 2: I saw you, I was in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you got to be a hater, Joe? Why
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  Speaker 1: do you got to be a hater, Joe?
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  Speaker 3: Last time I saw you, I was in New York.
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  Speaker 3: I thought we had a great time. You know, we fellowshiped.
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  Speaker 3: Have some good people in the room. Not all great people,
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  Speaker 3: but not all, but some good, mostly good people. And
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  Speaker 3: then here you go being like that, man.
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  Speaker 1: I put a picture of myself on the Internet this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: which I never do because I was wearing my fly
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  Speaker 1: suit I got from Vietnam. And hey, somebody's laughing because
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  Speaker 1: he knows he immediately just showed up to hate. That's all.
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  Speaker 1: That's all he showed up to do. I think the
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  Speaker 1: thing is.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the side of the building looked like a church.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? So that means that, okay.
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  Speaker 3: It looked very much like new pastor. It was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm Reverend Jones. I'm going to be your new pastor.
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  Speaker 3: I hope to see you at the service on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know the last time you went to a
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  Speaker 3: goddamn church. You don't know what a pastor looks like,
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  Speaker 3: number one. Number two, I was in a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a trick bag because it's a wedding that they.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't want to put on the internet. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? And you know me. I fully respect not
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  Speaker 1: putting your shit on the Internet. Right. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: got a picture of my brother. Nobody say all that.
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  Speaker 1: So then once Joe come in, hate and talk about
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  Speaker 1: past and now everybody else is everybody waiting for a
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  Speaker 1: chance to get at me. They just be scared. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And they're like, well, if if
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  Speaker 1: a dude like Joe has room to hate, we all
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  Speaker 1: have room to hate.
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  Speaker 3: People respect that. I'm not scared. You know, and I
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  Speaker 3: think that that opens up the fight.
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  Speaker 1: It was a nice suit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, pastors wear nice suits. You going to tell
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  Speaker 2: Raphael Warnock he ain't got a nice suit?
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  Speaker 1: See, it's funny. You said you wasn't scared. I think
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  Speaker 1: that you operate on the scared to speak, speak because
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  Speaker 1: you're scared kind of program. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: But it's cool. It's cool. It's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Look, man, look, it was a very nice suit. I
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  Speaker 3: agreed with you, everybody. But again, I mean, don't people
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  Speaker 3: want their pastor to look nice? That's what the pastor said.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you want your pastor to have nice things?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, they be throwing it at the pastor.
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  Speaker 1: But I did realize, and it was actually a dilemma
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  Speaker 1: for me where I was like, I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: afraid that I don't think about colors like that. But
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  Speaker 1: I know like the whole like red tie, power tie stuff.
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  Speaker 1: My brain don't think that deep. But the other tie
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  Speaker 1: I had didn't work like I thought it would. And
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  Speaker 1: so I was like, cool, I'll go with this. And
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  Speaker 1: I figured my brother would say something to me if
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  Speaker 1: it was a matter of thing. But he was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we don't go to church. So we don't think about
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  Speaker 1: these sorts of things. You know what I'm saying? But
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  Speaker 1: all you hypocritical heathens that have been every now and then,
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  Speaker 1: how you know it was you?
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  Speaker 2: I went to Catholic school, so I know a little
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  Speaker 2: something about a suit, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hear you. You don't know nothing about
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  Speaker 1: the pastor wearing a suit. They got a uniform.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's true. That's fair.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I went to church, you know, semi-regularly in
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  Speaker 3: my youth. When was the last time you went to church?
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  Speaker 3: I have multiple uncles who are pastors.
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  Speaker 1: When was the last time you went to church?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, so are we talking about just to go
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  Speaker 3: to church, not for a funeral or something like that?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Not to a church.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Church. So I'll tell you a funny story. My grandmother,
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  Speaker 2: God rest her soul.
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  Speaker 1: I find it very interesting that you can't just answer
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  Speaker 1: the question.
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  Speaker 4: I asked you when you went to church and you
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  Speaker 4: were like, I got a funny story.
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  Speaker 3: She was 95 years old at the time. She asked
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  Speaker 3: me and my wife, she was like, so what church
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  Speaker 3: do y'all go to out there in Palo Alto? And
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  Speaker 3: I could not think of one. And my wife, my
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  Speaker 3: beloved wife, Janae says, Palo Alto Baptist. And my grandmother, Paula,
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  Speaker 3: she says, oh yeah, the Baptist do nice church. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, so you know. I don't, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it probably has been a few years. You know, because,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely one of those youthful.
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  Speaker 1: It clearly probably hasn't been a few years. You would
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  Speaker 1: remember the last time you went. I know the last
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  Speaker 1: time I went definitely had to be the year 2007
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  Speaker 1: because the only time I can think that I was
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  Speaker 1: going to church is when I was dating that woman. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, you know what? I went People will be
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  Speaker 2: shocked by this, maybe. I don't know. Maybe they won't be.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Joel.
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  Speaker 3: Osteen's church regularly for a little bit in 2005 when
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  Speaker 3: I was looking for anything.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I was looking for something.
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  Speaker 1: When you say you were looking for anything, which anything?
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  Speaker 3: I was looking for hope. I was in what I
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  Speaker 3: considered to be hope.
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  Speaker 2: Hope. Yeah, hope. Not a woman named Hope.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Look, I thought you was
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  Speaker 1: going to church looking for hope. Yeah. no you know
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  Speaker 1: lesser p no quieter p no no no.
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  Speaker 3: Um i was going back and forth between people in
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  Speaker 3: houston when the fountain of praise and lakewood church and
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  Speaker 3: uh for a little bit i was having you know
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  Speaker 3: everybody you get to be 27 years old why.
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  Speaker 1: Why why didn't you go to the temple when you
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  Speaker 1: try to pledge muslim in the.
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  Speaker 2: 90s well i mean it's funny you say that uh
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  Speaker 2: but um You know what? I did.
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  Speaker 3: I tried that a little bit, but I kind of
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  Speaker 3: outgrew that. I outgrew that phase of my life, which
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  Speaker 3: isn't to say that I don't have a lot of respect.
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  Speaker 1: You wanted bacon again, didn't you? You wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: back to bacon, didn't you?
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  Speaker 2: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: Or did you never get that far down the road?
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  Speaker 2: You know what? I will say this.
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  Speaker 3: I have basically given up pork over the last 30
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  Speaker 3: some odd years. Every now and again, people will sneak
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  Speaker 3: pork into my food.
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  Speaker 1: My mom.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll eat it, but I won't trip about it,
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  Speaker 3: but I've given up pork.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you didn't want to give up hope? Come on, man.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't want to give up hope?
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  Speaker 2: What you doing, man?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a reasonable point if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to give up hope.
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  Speaker 2: What you doing, bro? What you doing?
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  Speaker 1: If you didn't want to give up hope? That's a
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  Speaker 1: big holdup. You saw Malcolm X was short. He was like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: he did not want to give up the great white
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  Speaker 1: hope in the pig's feet. Look, man.
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  Speaker 2: I just said hope.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even put you in the bag.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. By that time, you know what?
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  Speaker 3: I think I moved on. I'm a married man now.
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  Speaker 3: It don't even matter.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: And if you had given up hope, you wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: married because she wasn't going to marry nobody in the nation. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to switch gears and save you. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Because that clearly is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: You want to be, you need a little saving right now.
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  Speaker 1: I got you. What you want to do?
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  Speaker 3: I want to say something real quick. Cause I could just,
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  Speaker 3: just a real quick shout out to my people in Kerrville, Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Cause people know I'm, I'm my father's family.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pinning that, pinning that. I'm going to get to it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get to it. Okay. This is why
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  Speaker 1: you let me host my own show. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: My bad. Well, you, I mean, you let, you let
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  Speaker 2: old boy come on here and ask you questions all
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  Speaker 2: the time. You know what I'm saying? So I can't
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 1: That's because I let him produce the, we talked about
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  Speaker 1: that in advance.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Thank you very much. See, there come the
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  Speaker 1: Joel hate. You let somebody else do it. Right. It
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  Speaker 1: all pop up right there. So for people who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Joel Anderson hosted an award winning season of Slow Burn
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  Speaker 1: when he worked at Slate. And they're the podcast series
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  Speaker 1: about Tupac and Biggie situation. And therefore, he is a
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  Speaker 1: foremost authority on diddle. and um diddle was acquitted of
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  Speaker 1: many charges well there's five charges he got busted on
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  Speaker 1: two but the three big ones diddle got acquitted on
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  Speaker 1: like dave chapelle like he is in enormous trouble he
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  Speaker 1: is on the rico by himself which apparently a line
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  Speaker 1: that rang true with the jury because he managed to
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  Speaker 1: be that one um i didn't pay that much attention
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  Speaker 1: to the actual trial right but i did notice All
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  Speaker 1: the salacious details were coming out, but I didn't feel
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  Speaker 1: like they were making what seemed to be their biggest point.
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  Speaker 1: And you tell me if I'm wrong here, but the
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  Speaker 1: biggest point seemed to be that they were trying to
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  Speaker 1: allege that Bad Boy Records or whatever his company is
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  Speaker 1: actually was simply a front for Freak Off LLC. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's the whole idea of racketeering is that your business
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  Speaker 1: presents is one thing. The JNCO olive oil company from
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  Speaker 1: the godfather. Right. You present your business is one thing
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  Speaker 1: when you're actually doing something else. And now that I
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  Speaker 1: look back on it, I think we got a little
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  Speaker 1: caught up at the time. But I'm like, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that was a pretty ambitious legal attempt that they made there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who else did they I mean, the thing is,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't bring anybody else up to sustain that. OK,
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  Speaker 3: what I was running this other business, we were doing
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  Speaker 3: this instead of. you know, we were, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: had our hands in all these other businesses doing all
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  Speaker 3: these other things. Like that's not something that ever was
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  Speaker 3: sustained in court. And I heard one of the jurors
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  Speaker 3: came out and talked about that and they were always,
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  Speaker 3: they walked in skeptical.
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  Speaker 2: Of that as a claim.
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  Speaker 3: Like one of the alternate jurors has been talking in
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  Speaker 3: the last few days and he said they walked in
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  Speaker 3: skeptical of that charge in and of itself. And the
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  Speaker 3: prosecution never really prove that. And so that's the, that's
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  Speaker 3: one piece of it. But also I think the thing is,
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  Speaker 3: is that, and this actually kind of surprised me, that
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  Speaker 3: same juror said that they actually got to watch some.
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  Speaker 2: Of the footage of these freak offs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He said it was very tame.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people rubbing each other and baby oil.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like you, it wasn't like a hardcore action
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  Speaker 3: or anything like that, allegedly. And so that was another thing.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, well, this is a very tame thing. bit
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  Speaker 3: of theater here. And so when you bring all of
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  Speaker 3: that all together, it's like, you didn't really have Diddy
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  Speaker 3: with his fingers doing all this other stuff, sort of
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  Speaker 3: trying to wash his money or doing anything else.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't, you have the.
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  Speaker 3: Actual footage of the stuff that is allegedly so bad
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  Speaker 3: and it seems fairly tame. And maybe that's because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we live in a world where you can see hardcore
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  Speaker 3: action pretty much at any time. It didn't seem like they,
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  Speaker 3: the prosecution was able really, they overreached a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And I think everybody has said that. I mean, they
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  Speaker 3: still got him. I mean, he still could face up
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  Speaker 3: to 20 years in prison.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know he, I didn't know he'd get
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  Speaker 1: that much time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He could still get 20.
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  Speaker 3: He could still face 20 years, but it's just in
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  Speaker 3: terms of like the big overarching charges, the racketeering and
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  Speaker 3: all that other stuff, like that kind of fell by
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  Speaker 3: the wayside.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The trafficking. That didn't, that didn't, that didn't, that didn't
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  Speaker 2: hold water. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a trick back on these things where
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  Speaker 1: and I understand people who they took the verdict as
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  Speaker 1: people don't believe the victims. And I didn't get that
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  Speaker 1: feeling from what I was checking out. Right. It seemed
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  Speaker 1: to me to be a little bit more of a
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  Speaker 1: question of. But is this what you say it is
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the law? And if I'm wrong, somebody
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  Speaker 1: can feel free to correct me because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to invalidate anybody's experience or anything like that. But I
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  Speaker 1: did not take that as people don't believe that Diddy
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  Speaker 1: did the things that they said he did. I think
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  Speaker 1: they wound up with stuff where you got text messages
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  Speaker 1: and stuff where an alleged victim seems to be organizing
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  Speaker 1: the event. Then it's hard to convince 12 people that
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  Speaker 1: this is a Stockholm Syndrome sort of thing, which seemed
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  Speaker 1: to me to be what they were trying to go for. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, I think that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's like some people can take things, especially when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to like the law, you can take things too literally.
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  Speaker 2: Or you can just not be disabused of your priors.
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  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, it's like difficult to explain to people
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  Speaker 3: in court that sometimes victims might.
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  Speaker 2: Fall in love with the people that abuse them.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And they may want to do things to make
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  Speaker 3: them happy and to keep them, you know, to keep
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  Speaker 3: them docile so they free themselves of abuse or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that they weren't abused.
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  Speaker 3: But in terms of the law, you can understand how
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  Speaker 3: that could be very complicated in convincing a jury of
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  Speaker 3: 12 people, eight of the men. You could understand how
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  Speaker 3: they might look at that and be like, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he is clearly a bad person, a bad partner, an
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  Speaker 3: abusive partner, but that's not what he's on trial.
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  Speaker 1: For, really. Yeah, and that was interesting that his lawyers
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  Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I mean, he's a domestic abuser.
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  Speaker 2: He's a violent man.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, you are in deep doo-doo when you start by
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  Speaker 1: specifying that. We're like, look, there's no point in lying
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  Speaker 1: about that. You saw it. He be swang it.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, right. He's definitely, oh yeah, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 2: the thing.
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  Speaker 3: And actually, this is because I think a lot of people,
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  Speaker 3: like as we get to the end of this, like
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  Speaker 3: whatever his sentencing is going to be is going to
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  Speaker 3: be but sort of like the re-imagining of the Diddy image.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you look back 30 years ago, like nobody
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  Speaker 3: was really talking about Puffy as a violent or bad person, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like they were saying he was maybe a shady businessman
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. He had not done right by his artists,
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  Speaker 3: but the idea that he was sort of a guy that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, was cruel and mean to people and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: Like even the first time that he popped up and,
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  Speaker 3: in the news with the city college party that ended
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  Speaker 3: up with nine people getting killed there.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was like, Oh, it was an accident.
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  Speaker 3: Like I, we, how could I have known, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we had that party and, you know, unfortunately we didn't
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  Speaker 3: go by the, whatever the standards were and people got
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  Speaker 3: hurt and killed.
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  Speaker 2: But like, it was a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: The shooting that involves Sean and JLo, it was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's not, you know, I wasn't really involved
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  Speaker 3: with that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't fire the gun, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: But nobody thought of him as a violent person.
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  Speaker 2: But like when you think about.
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  Speaker 3: The toll, when you add up all these incidents over
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  Speaker 3: the years, it's like, oh, like this dude is actually
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  Speaker 3: a bad person, though. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel comfortable saying that, like he's not
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  Speaker 2: a good dude.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, I'm sorry. In line with that.
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  Speaker 1: There is a the best example of this is Hammer, right? Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: There is a joy, and I'm not saying, let me
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  Speaker 1: get to what I am saying. I don't want anybody
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  Speaker 1: to aggregate this, so we'll be very clear about what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. There is a certain joy that we
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  Speaker 1: get in talking about cats that you might not have
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  Speaker 1: known is a little big gangster with theirs. And MC
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  Speaker 1: Hammer is at the top of the list, right? Redman
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  Speaker 1: talked about that. MC Search talked about how they had
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  Speaker 1: to sit him next to Michael Jackson at the American
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  Speaker 1: Music Awards because Hammer was trying to have him touched.
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  Speaker 1: And the only place that he could be safe was
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: in the seat by Michael Jackson. And we were like, yo,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: Hammer a gangster. People didn't know it now, but cats
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: in the game knew he was a gangster. And they
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: kind of talk about it like with a chuckle, like,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, y'all ain't know. Y'all don't want to wear Hammer.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Nobody talks about Puff like that or even talked really
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: about him like that then, but they all knew. Like
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like the cats in the game saw him as, hey,
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: you need to leave him alone because you might have
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: to fight. It seemed like, like, Cam and Mace, when
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: they talked about it on their show when it first
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: came out, and Cam talks about how Mace did not
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: walk him up to Bad Boy, and Mace is saying,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: you know, basically, I can't remember which one of them
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: said it, but the two of them are saying... He
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: wanted to take him by somebody who would do right
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: by him, right? Like that tenor was there. But even then,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: nobody was like, man, I told y'all Puff ain't nobody
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: to mess with or nothing like that. Nobody's saying it.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: That's not the tenor that it comes up when people
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: talk about him.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because Suge kind of like hinted at
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: the fact like, I know that there's this perception of
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: me as a big bad guy. and that I'm the
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: gangster or whatever, but like Puff does bad stuff too.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: But like, nobody kind of thought of it in that way.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: And also the thing is, it's like the dudes that
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: really give off gangster and hip hop never really talked
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: about like Shug and 50 kind of like clown him, man.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Like this whole time, like they were not really afraid
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: of him, but for people that did not have an
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: equivalent amount of power influence in the game, Puffy was
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: somebody that they had like, man, like Mark Curry, man,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: like Mark Curry, who was on his label.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Like, talking about the things that he did and the
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: way that he treated people. Eugene Deal, who would talk
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: to anybody, man, you know, his former bodyguard, has talked
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: about the ways that Puffy did and treated people. But
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: it was like he was really good at taking advantage
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: and hurting people who could not hurt him back.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: And so that's the thing, I think.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: What was the Mark Curry book? Was it called Dance
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: with the Devil?
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Dance with the Devil, yeah.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: It is worth a read. Like I read it. It
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: goes off the rails at the very end of the book.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: But especially now, because I read it before all this
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: kind of had gotten out there. It's a really interesting
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: read because the point that he makes that other people
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: make is everybody that was on Bad Boy either ended
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: up dead in jail or in church.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, just I mean, Craig, Matt, Biggie. Black Rob
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: who died strung out. I mean, just think about all these.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Folks, man.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: G-Dep went and walked to the police station and told
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: them about a 10 or 15-year-old murder just because the
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: guilt was eating them.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, people see Mace up there alongside Cameron and
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: they may not, you know, they weren't there in 97
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: or 98. I mean, that dude was a huge star
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: and he walked away from it all. I mean, that's
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: how much of a toll uh, being in Diddy's, uh,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: being under Diddy's employ did to him, man. I mean, day, uh,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: day 26, Danny became like all these other folks, man.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Like they, they, they were really scarred by having an
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: affiliation with this dude.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So this is, you know, there's not so much legal
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: analysis to get in, right? Like it goes like, it's
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: more about where it goes forward. Now he need to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: watch out because the judge can do whatever it is
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: they want to him. at this point, right? Like, you know,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: is he probably going to get to 20? Maybe not,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: but there's nothing stopping him from giving them, let's call
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: it five, and five years in federal pen at that
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: man's age, he might need to get up on his dean.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, they give him a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: little bit too long, he gonna, you know, salam alaikum, brother. Like,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you gonna need to, you know, he gonna come out
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that motherfucker looking like Frederick Douglass with all that gray hair,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you know, and all that, you know, however it goes.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: But I have heard people Let's say he doesn't go
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to jail, right? Let's just throw it out there as
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a hypothetical. Let's say they give him time served and
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: he walks out. I have seen people make the argument that,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: and I think that there's a certain resignation and cynicism.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: It is the idea that he could do that. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: then now there'll still be people that are staying next
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to him. I don't know about that. Like, I don't,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I think that the idea of cancellation, people think of
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: that as such absolute terms and there will be some
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: places that he can go. But he ain't coming back
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to where he used to be, right? He's not just
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: going to be like, remember, O.J. got acquitted. And O.J.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: thought he was just about to pull up on the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: white folks in Brentwood like nothing ever happened. And they
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: were like, hey.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Not our bad, brother. Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: It's funny you said O.J. because that's exactly who sort
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: of comes to mind. And I mean, at this point,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, what are you going to stand next to
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Diddy to do?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, like, I mean, so in terms of
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: like his influence in music, I mean, we're talking about
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: The last time he was, you remember people when you
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: were a kid, people talk about Barry Gordy, right? And
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: it was like, man, Barry Gordy was a big deal
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: in 1968. I mean, that's puffy to a lot of
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: these kids today. So even if he gets welcomed back
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: into polite society.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on though. If Barry Gordy pull up to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the Source Awards- They was going to let Barry Gordy
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: into the source room.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: That's a fair point. That's a fair point, yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And let us be very clear. He, Puffy, is not
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: in OT, Barry Gordy. Let's get to the bottom of this, right?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: But I'm not even thinking about the kids. I'm thinking
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: about his contemporaries. So let's take it to a different event, right? Okay.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: You think he's going to get to come back to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the Roc Nation brunch? I don't think he can. Of
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: course not.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: No way. I mean, Jay-Z is like pretty... I mean,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: people that have not done anything remotely close to what
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Puffy has been alleged to have done. So yeah, no
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: way he's getting invited to that.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: You also got to remember this part, right? Like when
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it comes down to the application of his re-entry into
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: whatever form of society that you wish to discuss, there
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: is all the terribleness that he engaged in, right? Certainly.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: There's also the story that He would be watching the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: freak offs in another room. Right. And so the freak
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: offs would come to their conclusion. And he would have
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Cassie take some of the fluids and bring them to him.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: so that he could rub them on his nipples in
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the other room. And I'm telling you right now, they
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: ain't letting that back in the crew. Like. I think
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: it is a fair point to make that men are
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: far too tolerant of violence against women, right? They don't
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: stand up on these things. And I can see why
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: people would think, oh, they're going to let the cat
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: back in. But that man was exposed as a deviant
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in ways that I think will make it very, very
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: difficult for him to come anywhere else.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: What did you say? Come to where?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: You didn't have to do that. Okay.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so I agree that that kind of, but the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: thing is, man, a lot of these cats kind of
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: seem to know, right?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Like maybe they didn't know to the extent of that.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think they knew that one.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Because I mean, so you've seen that video of, because
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: 50 Cent points this out all the time. There's this video,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: it's Puffy at the table, it's like Noriega and some
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: other dudes and Fabulous is there. And Fabulous is talking
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to Diddy, he's like, hey man, so when we gonna party?
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: When we gonna hang out? And if you could just
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: see Fabless like tense up, get real, you know, like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: yeah man, I hung out with you for one of
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: my birthdays. He's like, no man, I'm talking about when
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: you gonna party with me. When you gonna party with me?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: And like, Fab is like all tensed up. And I
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: was like, I kind of feel like these, the rumors
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: of this stuff has always been out there.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And, You know what I mean?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on. Well, that raises another question. Yeah. How
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: many cats who were not under his employ was out
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: there running with him in the first place?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That's a great point.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Right? Like, who's after Big died? Who was Jay-Z to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: his Dane Dash or whatever? I mean, I guess maybe
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: after Shine, like hanging out with Puffy, you might go
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to jail, right? But like he, there wasn't no freaking
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: frack out here, just out here. Like cats, I guess,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: would just go into the parties.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the thing.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of people went to those parties
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: and I mean, it's funny because the only people that
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I've ever, that I've seen say, hey I want to
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: go to a freak off again a chopper you remember
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: chopper from the band.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah I do remember chopper.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah chopper was like I would love to go to
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: a freak off again you know now maybe he wasn't
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: there for all of the you know maybe he missed
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: that part he wasn't in that room where that exchange
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: was going on with Cassie or whatever but a lot
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of these cats that are in the business I kind
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of feel like they some of them were in those
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: rooms already and they just didn't want to talk about
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: it so but but to your point he ain't never
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: gonna get welcome to the Grammys again He ain't never,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever this new 106 and Park gonna be
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: or whatever, he ain't gonna get invited on that. But
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the thing is, you can kind of carve out a
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: lane for yourself if you're shameless enough on the internet.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Like anybody can just kind of start up their own thing.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And people will want to hear. I do think people
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: will want to hear from him. And there are enough
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: people that hate women and resent this dude, this powerful
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: black man being held to account. I think that depending
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: on how Puff wants to play it, there may be
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: an audience for him. It won't be what it was,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: but it could be something.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But I think he has one problem. He's not very interesting.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Remember that time he said something interesting?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Man, that's a good question.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: You know, so like, for example... and I'm not, obviously
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they are similar in the context, which
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: we're discussing, but like that 50 cent is an interesting
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: guy who says interesting things.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: He could tell you a smart guy too.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Uh, should night even used to say somewhat
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: interesting things, but I ain't listening to his podcast from
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the jail phone. You know what I'm saying? Like, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: got like, I'm not, I'm not doing that. Like, so
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I guess you're right, but I don't know. I think Diddy. Okay.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So let's think about it this way. Right. After what
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: happened with Rihanna, Chris Brown immediately tried to roll into the,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I'm still a fresh-faced kid, right? He's showing up, doing interviews,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: looking like Orville Reddenbacher, all that to try to sell.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And then we're like, partner, not working. And so he
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: turned into the Chris Brown that he is now.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: He got on his black mamba, yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when a rich brother wants you and your
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: man can't do nothing for you, right? He became that guy.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think that Diddy... can slash will make that
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: turn which is kind of what you have to do
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: to lean into the idea that you're talking about what
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: diddy aspires to be is completely different like i think
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: chris brown deep down in his heart always wanted to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: be like a gangsta type dude in la diddy when
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: everybody like when he was putting his people in uh
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: in tim's and all that stuff he was putting himself
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: in suits right Right. Like he and Jay-Z aspire to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: be something else and wanted to go to that place.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So like when people like, let's just say he gets
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: top serve and he gets back up. They like nothing
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: happened to him. No, don't you worry. he's feeling some pain, right?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It ain't the pain that in our carceral society that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: we think you're supposed to have, but he ain't got
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: no money as I recall.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the other thing. Like a lot of
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: those like brand sponsorships and things like that. Like it
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: ain't like he owned that tequila company. Like he's just,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: he was just the face of it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I don't, I'll be curious to know
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: how he's able to make money like going forward.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Like that. I don't think he's going to be broke,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: but like, You know how Dame Dash is kind of like, well...
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: But he is broke.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he... He stacked
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: up all that money. What was it? For bail or whatever?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: But remember, his money was not great when this came up.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It's not what people think it is. So, yes. What
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: will Diddy do?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: That's the thing, though, bro. Like, He really cares about
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: money though. I mean, so you did talk about the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: point that he wanted to be seen as a businessman,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: but all of it was an end to getting paid
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and like money was really important to him. And I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: feel like if that's an ethos, and this is something
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: the judge even said, like, yo, like he comes up
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: here and he's still not, like he was reaching out
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: to witnesses while he was detained. Like he was breaking
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the law while he was under investigation doing stuff. So like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Like he's got some sort of an edge. He still
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: likes that sort of life. And so I'm just wondering
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: somebody that is that addicted to the lifestyle, somebody that
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: is only known comfort for like the last 30 years
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: of his life.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like that kind of cat will.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Be willing to maneuver to do whatever it takes to
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: still like have some sort of income coming in.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what that is.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It ain't like white people want to see Diddy. You
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Right. We'll see.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: He don't mean nothing to them.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Right. So that's just the thing. And to be clear,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I think this is something that gets lost and it
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: is somewhat fascinating to me. White people don't stick with
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a black favorites past. Like it's just some shit they
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: do when they're teenagers. Like there's some exceptions, certainly. But
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the people who could sell 10 million copies. So MC
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Hammer as a great example. MC Hammer was selling records
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: like NSYNC was selling records, like Justin Timberlake was selling records.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And no matter how much clowning people did, people love
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: those records, right? MC Hammer came doing those arena tour
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: around America. And look, he got three albums, three albums
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and more worth of hits. He could put together, it
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't my jam, but I saw y'all wearing them pants.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I went to the MC Hammer concert in 1990, man.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: You know, it was dope.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: But MC Hammer played halftime at basketball games. You know
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like they don't they don't come with
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: us on this. There are a couple of exceptions, maybe.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: But like it doesn't it isn't a lasting thing for
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: white people with a black axe. And so somebody like Puppy.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So when it's time to do the bad boy reunion
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: tour like they did or whatever. And bad boy was
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a big, giant deal in all those people. So lots
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of records. That is a BET Awards affair.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real, man, because I'm trying to think.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Man, you know what?
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: The right level of fame, I've thought about this because
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: my wife is a huge fan of his and I've
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: had to go to his concerts.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It's like Maxwell. You know what I mean?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Like Maxwell can always go. He always got his fans.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: He can go someplace and play.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: He can play a civic center.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: He can play a civic center.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: He can play a concert hall. And by the way,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I just saw he parlayed his fame into a dream.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Did you see that?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Uh-uh.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: What? He pulled up somewhere with Janet Jackson.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Did he really?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Did he? Yes, he did.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Did he?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right, Diddy. Man, I like that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't... Sometimes it takes 30 years to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: make you happy. You know what I'm saying?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting combination, but good for him, man, living
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: out that dream.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: And you know what happened. You know what happened. It
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: took a long time, but he saw it with Jermaine Dupri,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Like,
• 28:30
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• 28:32
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• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the day after. Yeah.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: No, what I always go back to is the wood.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, it was like, you look that Nick Terry bone,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: and I know I.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Look better than him.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: That is such a horrible way to look at things,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: but men and women both do that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. It's like, man, I had a chance this
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: whole time.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Brother, brother, Jermaine Dupri had Janet Jackson walk around with
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a belly button ring that said JD's girl. Yeah, man.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: That's something out of JD's revenge. Are you serious? He's
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: five foot three.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody saw it, man.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's, It's the black version of Julia Roberts
• 29:14
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• 29:18
  Speaker 1: But Lyle Lovett could sing. Yeah, right. I've told you
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: what my thought was. Jermaine Dupri understood it, though, was
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he understood being a child star. He understood growing up
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in the industry, right? And so that was always my
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: take on what his Janet Jackson angle was. But at
• 29:36
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• 29:42
  Speaker 1: she might like it might be anybody it won't be
• 29:45
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• 29:51
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• 29:55
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• 29:59
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• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what we doing?
• 30:02
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• 30:03
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• 30:06
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• 30:09
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• 30:11
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• 30:14
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• 30:17
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• 30:20
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• 30:22
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• 30:25
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• 30:26
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• 30:29
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• 30:31
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• 30:35
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• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Wow did it work.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Okay my bad well i don't know man she i
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: mean she got a different you know what i'm saying
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: it's a different kind.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Of different i have to say this though.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: It's an icebreaker Some, I mean, look, man, get some
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: women will look, you just never know. I, one person
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I think about is Halle Berry, for instance, because camp,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: first of all, Cameron talked about trying to spit at
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: her one time when he was coming up as a rapper.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: And it was just like, it felt like she talked
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: to him, but like, she, you know, she had Lorenz
• 31:10
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• 31:13
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• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Halle Berry blew a kiss at the Barbra Streisand concert.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, Halle Berry ain't blow no kiss
• 31:21
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• 31:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Halle Berry is a Hollywood actress.
• 31:24
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• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not thinking, I'm like, Nas is famous to me,
• 31:27
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• 31:30
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• 31:30
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• 31:32
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• 31:35
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• 31:41
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• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming.
• 31:47
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• 31:49
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  Speaker 1: All right, we back with Joel Anderson. Dag, actually, I'm
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: not going to say, but I was just thinking about saying.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to say it. All I'm going
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: to say is it was connected to our previous topic,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and it made me start thinking about what was my
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: favorite song by KRS-One.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Come on, dawg.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Come on, man. Come on, bro.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Love's going to get you. It's a jail, boy.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, man.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's exactly like they don't know.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: You got a nose for good music, you know what
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, man. Yo, right fast. I'm going to tell a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: great KRS-One story and then get into sports. So you
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: are familiar with the time that KRS-One ran up on
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: PM Dawn at, I forget what club it was. I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: think it was the Tunnel in New York.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I've heard about this. Yes.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is a legendary story for you youngsters.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Hip hop was a different thing, right? And so KRS-One
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: was doing a show. I mean, PM Dawn, which was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: kind of like Proto Drake in some ways, right? Like
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a little singy, rappy.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what they would be. Yeah, like.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like alternative rap is kind.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Of where they were.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It was kind of in between, right? So anyway,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Prince B, the Eternal, did an interview or something. I
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: can't remember where he said this. But he said if
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: KRS-One is a teacher, he is a teacher of what?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Which is something that KRS-One took personally. Understandably. PM Dawn
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was playing a show at whatever, I think it was
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the Tunnel in New York City. Boogie Down Productions storms
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the club. I don't know if they bum-brushed the door
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: or they got in because they're boogie down productions. But anyway,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: bum-brushed the spot, ran up on stage, threw PM Dawn off, right?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And so, of course, as this is going on, there
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: is chaos and people are running out of the club.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: There are two details that are fast. That's hilarious to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: me because Kid Capri tells the story, right? Detail one.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It was not a PM Dawn show. PM Dawn was
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: opening for Super Cat. And so Super Cat had to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: do the show for an empty club because KRS-One cleared
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: it out. Number two, which is by far the best
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: part of this story. After running PM Dawn offstage, BDP
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: also took over the DJ booth. And KRS-One stood on
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: stage as one of his partners put South Bronx on
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the turnstile. And just, I cannot imagine how good it
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: felt to toss somebody off stage while your theme song
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: plays after you have vanquished your foe.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: They have taken, I mean, they took over the tunnel, man.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: That's beautiful, man. I bet he think about that all
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the time, too. He was like, man, you remember when
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: we ran up on them dudes at the tunnel, dog?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: They probably don't even remember their name. He's like, who
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: is that again?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Have you, I don't know if you remember the book,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: The Ego Trip Book of Rap Lists. rest in peace
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to Sasha Jenkins by the way but if you have
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: never seen it check it out this book came out
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: about 25-30 years ago but it's just a collection of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: fascinating lists and one of them is the 10 most
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: arrogant things that KRS-One has ever said and the best
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: one he said that like hip hop was like his
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: pet it was like a little dog that just followed
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: him around right but the best one is he said
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: about rap that you know In the sky and the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: solar system, there are many stars. I am the sun.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: That's like the old Walt Harris line. People don't remember
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Walt Harris who played cornerback. at Mississippi State. And it
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: was just like, water covers like three-fourths of the Earth's surface.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I cover the rest of it. I cover the rest.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: That's the first time I heard you say that. Well,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the first time I heard it said about was Deion Sanders.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: He just decided to appropriate it for himself. But no,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I am the sun. And KRS-One... I still say he's
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the greatest rapper of all time. And my argument is
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: very simple. Get rid of the beats. Get rid of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: everything else. No microphone even. Stand two dudes up in
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: front of each other and say rap.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: He's winning every single time.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: You think he would do that against Black Thought?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: He's winning every time. single time he has the most
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: commanding presence that anybody i'm saying there's nothing else there
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: right you don't even have a microphone you just got
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that booming ass voice.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Man that's it yeah i mean it goes you just
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: also just the energy he gives the radiates off of
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: him it's like it's infectious yeah like people it's hard
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: to because mcs just aren't quite like that anymore And
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: like you could just see him walk into a room
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: and the energy shift.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So you can dress him up in so much other stuff. Right.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: But no, Chris, Chris, Chris, that guy, the music is
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: hard to play and make somebody younger understand what the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: big deal is.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Like I think that's the case with a lot of
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: 80s stuff, even though that stuff really knocks. But it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: like it's it's the paradigm is so different. I think
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it's different. It's difficult to explain to people. what exactly
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it is that they got in front of them but
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: yeah you stay you you go see that dude all
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: by himself and i guarantee you you will uh you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: will get it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I would i would i would go watch him lecture
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: i bet i know he does lectures too because he
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: likes us that stuff so like i bet he's an
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: interesting it's a guy that i really i want to
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: man i wish i ran like a tv network or
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: something so i could just interview all my old favorite
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: black celebrities man so i could just get them talking
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: about stuff.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Anyway Hey, man, get you a podcast. They got to
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: get you a different kind of podcast. You know what
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you need to be? You need to be an athlete.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: They get them all.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, they can have anybody on, man.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: It's not just they can get them all. It's they
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: can get them on and then get people to listen
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: because I can get them on at a point, but
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I can't get as much of my base
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: to come over there, right? Like, they can do it
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: in a different way.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I always find that to be really interesting because sometimes
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't, I'm trying to think of like,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: I'm making a podcast for me when I say that,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: but like, Who do you want to hear that you
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: want to talk to so bad that you would stop
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: what you're doing and go listen to it?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Well, part of it also... Oh, wow. That's a good question.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I think part of it in terms of my production
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: on it is that you have to be... I don't
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: even know if it worked truly for a Marc Maron
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: or something like that, where your audience doesn't care who
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you're interviewing. They'll just go because you're there. That's not
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: really how it works. I've told people when we started
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to change the way we did interviews, it was like, oh,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Joel does better numbers than Big Krip. Like, you know
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, I told Joel that, too,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: because I knew he would love that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't take it because I'm a big
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: fan of Big Krip, man.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: That's the homie. That's the homie. But, you know, I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: know you well enough to know what worked for you.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Speaking of working, have you seen this story? It has
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with working. That was a horrible segue.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: The boy, Kirk Cousins, apparently on the quarterback show, talks
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: about how he felt misled by the Falcon. because the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Falcons went and drafted Michael Penix after they signed him,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and that he felt like if he knew that they
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: was going to draft Michael Penix, he would have stayed
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Now, Joel, I feel like some of the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: poor logic of that is if he had stayed in Minnesota,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they would have drafted... J.J. McCarthy. I don't think this
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: movie goes any differently for him necessarily, but this was
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: my thought, and this is what I want to know
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: if you had the same thought as me. Because I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: get on one hand why he would feel that way,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: but he had what I call the Drew Brees option.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: How about you win your job? How about you play
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: so well that they can't put the other guy in
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the game?
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I hear you on that, but you know how hard
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: that is in the NFL, man. I mean, you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: if it's kind of like your argument that like if
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: they want to fire you, they can find a reason
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: to fire you. They can find a reason to play
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: that rookie quarterback, especially if you Kirk Cousins.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: But I would but I would contend on the other end.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: They did not put their rookie quarterback in there until
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they really had no other choice. Right. Right. Like they
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: gave it time. If he, you know, granted, he was
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: coming off the Achilles, but. If he played well enough
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: to keep his job, he would have kept his job
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: at the very least in that year. And number two,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you're keeping your bread. Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what the money is for.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Right. That is what the money is for. I said
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: this from the very beginning when they drafted him. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: don't know how good Michael Penix is going to be. Okay.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But let's say you thought that he was Patrick Mahomes.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: You know, Patrick Mahomes went with the number 10 pick
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: in the draft, right? Like we're in that zone, right?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Let's just say you thought he was him. I'm not
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: saying he's him, but let's say you were super wild
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: about him or in some fashion as the GM of
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the Falcons. You do not pass on. I see our
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: quarterback of the future because we got some Kirk in
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the refrigerator at home.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Like if he's as good, if you're going to take
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: a quarterback that early in the first round, like you
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: have got to think he's going to be good. And,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Nothing should get in the way of him eventually getting
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: on the field. Again, unless you've got, you know.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Go out there and ball! Like, you have the option
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: of going out there and playing well.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins has been in enough quarterback competitions and played
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: enough ball to know that that ain't, you know.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. I think maybe this is
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: one of those that it's informed by his own experience.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, he got the job over
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Robert Griffin, right? And by the way, that second time
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: he got it was not the first time he really
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: got the chance. He was given chances and it didn't
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: work or whatever. I'm just saying. You can win the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: job by playing well, and he did not play well.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting that you say it this way, because
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: in spite of the things that I've said, I remember
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: when Michael Penix got drafted, and I was mad. I
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: was mad for Michael Penix. I'm like, boy, already 34
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: years old. Why should he have to wait? I just
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: didn't want him to have to sit any more time.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I thought that's when you're like, okay, that's why I
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: hate the draft, because That's not fair to a young
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: guy's career.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no. I disagreed. I thought that was
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: perfect for him. He clearly needed the time because he
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't really ready to play when they got him out there.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: He may be 100 years old, but he was not
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: ready to play.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I just was like, look, man, my father was ready
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: for it. He's pension age.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Look here. I think better for him is to make
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: money without getting hit.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: The way that I think about it, and maybe this
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: is just like, you only get so many falls in
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: your life. as a football player like you like you
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: if you watch a fall go by that's a football
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: year in your life you will never get back like
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: and sitting on the bench is sort of like a
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: form of death for an athlete man you know i mean.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: If you're not gonna play you know like you only.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Get so many years and so i was like well
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: man he's gonna have to sit out this year of
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: kirk cousins probably and then you know maybe the next
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: year of kirk cousins really good because i gotta pay
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: him all this money but the thing that i did
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: not think about it through all this i'm like oh
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: but that's kirk cousins.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Though You know what I'm saying? That's Kirk Cousins. I
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay. He's going to play eventually. My bad.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't– I've not seen any argument that says
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: that playing early is better for your long-term health of
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: your career. To be fair, I don't see– I don't
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: know how many arguments there are that not playing early
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is good for your long-term career either. Like, I think
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: it's a trick bag, but I think that so much
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: goes into being an NFL quarterback that having one year
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: where all you have to do is study– and watch
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: what's going on and learn what all the rhythms and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: machinations are of being a quarterback, I think that's probably good. Like,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I think he was better off not playing than he
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: was playing.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, for everybody but Kirk Cousins, it seemed it
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: worked out. Like, that was an ideal situation.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I got a question for you.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: You think Kirk Cousins is going to be a good
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: enough star for anybody this year? That, like, if he
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: had gone somewhere else playing like he played, because after
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the middle of the year, he didn't have it. It
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: started off early, and my brothers and sisters in Atlanta
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: were embarrassing themselves. Remember that Kirk O'Chains and all of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: that stuff? Like, y'all were making fun of him. fools
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of yourselves making fools of yourselves and the rest of
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: us it was terrible right but.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Um my culture is not a costume you know and
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: it was they was putting it all for him I
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: was just like you gotta be kidding me but anyway
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: that man is what 36 years old or something like
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: that coming off an Achilles tear come on man it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: a wrap for that well I just kind of like
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: I mean again who am I to tell somebody to
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: retire right like I mean again as I've said you
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: only get so many falls you only get so many
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: Sundays but Like, what else? You know, if you just
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: like being in the locker room, bro, which I totally understand,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: he can do that. But if he's, like, if his
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: hope is to play, like, he may not even want
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: that because I would feel like he would get hurt.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Like, I feel like he no longer can get away
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: from the rush. He's not good. I mean, like, the
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: only thing left for him is to get carried off
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: the field.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Right. Look, Alex Smith kept playing.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Man, I just.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Hashtag never forget.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, man, look, man, I mean, the thing is,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: you know, you learn pretty quickly when you move up
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: levels in football. It's like, man, some people would die
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: for this shit, man.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Some people really, they really need this or they really
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: want this in a way that is beyond sort of
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: like my, you know, my ability to think about it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: And so, like, some when you get to that level
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: and i mean kirk cousins man i mean you know
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: he's had his success so i totally get like why
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: he would want to keep doing it but i also
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: would just be like hey man you made a lot
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: of money bro why don't you just like you know
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: be an assistant coach or something.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah man before we get out of here because i
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: don't want you to feel like i was silencing you
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: uh you and i were talking a bit yesterday and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the fact that uh your people are from
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: down there around Kerrville, Texas, where the flooding has taken place.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: So what's it been for you?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so actually, yeah, my family, like literally, like
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: we were right in Kerrville. I would go there, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: several times a year growing up until I was, you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: 12 when my great-grandmother passed.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: She was sort of the matriarch.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: And so, man, yeah, it's... So I have vague memories
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: of the Guadalupe flood in Kerrville in 87.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Like I have like just.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: You know, few shots in my head of like us
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: sitting around the TV and watching weather reports at that time.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: But yeah, man, first of all, like obviously my heart
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: goes out to all those folks. It's devastating to see that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: And it's just like, cause man, it's just such an,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: it's just like from a land that Tom forgot.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Like it's just the hill country.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: If you've not been to that part of Texas, it's
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: kind of hard to believe that it's in Texas, but
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: it is also very of Texas and, And like, I mean,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: it's very like, I mean, it's a politically confusing area. Like,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like, I mean, like right now,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: you know, Texas is sort of the grip of like
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Republican mania. But for many times, it was a very
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: sort of liberal and progressive place. My father, who was
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: born and went to school in Hot Springs, Arkansas, when
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: he would go visit his grandmother in Kerrville, Texas, the
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: coaches at Kerrville Tyvee High School, they were integrated. Kerrville
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Tyvee was integrated at that time. And they asked him, hey, man,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: you want to come on down here and transfer and
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: play for the Tyvee? And he was like, I'm going
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: to go back. You know, he knew his people back
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: up in Arkansas. So it's just a very unique, very
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: different place. My great grandmother was friends with the iconic jeweler,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: James Avery. Like my grandmother was just a black woman
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: who owned a bar on the black.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Side of town. You know what I mean?
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: But like it's just like in that way that like
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: it was a very small, very close knit. My beloved cousin, man,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get emotional here. my cousin, Michelle, man,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: who helped me run through those streets in Doyle, uh,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: the Doyle side of town in Kerrville and helped me
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: get Kool-Aid cool cups and all that good stuff, man.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Like she, um, I think what people would probably say
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: today is that like she had down syndrome, but like
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: back then it was just like, Oh, Michelle is slow. Anyway,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: she passed a couple of years ago and she just
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: kind of like lived off the generosity of the people
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: at her church, man. Like she never, they took care
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: of her before she passed. And, um, you know, it's just, yeah, man,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: I just like, so I, that part of small town
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: America sort of, it makes me emotional to see that
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: that area got washed away. And I really hope that
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: it gets built back up because it's just not a
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: lot of places like that anymore. And I wish, I
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: wish it was something that I could give my kids
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: that I could give them the experience I had in Kerrville.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: And, you know, with any luck, maybe someday I can.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: And two things that like strike me with this story
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is one, just kind of the, and maybe it's because
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: it's so easily or readily associated with like biblical stuff,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: but like, The idea of flooding. Yeah, man. Right. Like
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: just watching like my brother and sister lived in Iowa.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: You remember about 30 years ago when the Mississippi River flooded?
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Like I remember my sister's car got covered, like checked
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: out underwater. Right. And it like it was almost like
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: a gradual kind of process. They just rained and rained
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and rained. And then one day you look out there
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and your car is underwater. But there's just something like great.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Like the power of water is one thing. Water that
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be there. Is another right. The thing
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: that hit me when you said hopefully they build it
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: back up and that hopefully is important because there is
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: no promise of guarantee when something goes away that people
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: find it economically viable to bring it back. Like especially
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: in an area that small where you don't have like
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the advantages of urbanization to guarantee that it proves to
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: be profitable for people.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Well, look, bro, I mean, already in Texas, insurance companies
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: are sort of pulling back on these homes. They're saying,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: that's a flood risk, this is a storm risk, and
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: they're not either meeting their obligations or they stopped issuing
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: policies for these homes in the first place. I mean,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: are we sure that people are going to issue policies
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: for them homes in Kerrville again?
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: You know, the way that these, you know, climate... these
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: climate events keep happening.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't, I don't think it's a given
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: at all that this ain't new Orleans.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Like that wasn't a given either. Right.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: And so there's no reason that we have to have
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: people living in Kerrville, but I hope that we can.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: But it, yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just shocking.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I saw the videos of the water rising
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: like that, man. And I was just like, and it's
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: just like, bro, bro, like over a hundred people have died.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Like that is a shocking number of people. to die
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: in one event, man.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: It took that, that, that camp is the one that,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: you know, that, that drives you like really home. And
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: then the idea that like people floating on the river,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it was supposed to be like a system basically that
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: you kind of like shout it out down river that
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the water's coming, which seems to me, it may have
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: worked a whole way, but that sure sounds primitive.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: It's insufficient. Yeah. From where I am. And so it
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: was just like, man, this is a, it, It feels
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: and I can't tell if it's just because we have
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: so much more access to more news, but it just
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: feels like a natural disaster is around the corner at
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: every turn. And now, look, man. Texas has decided to
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: hitch its wagon to this notion of individualism and you're
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: on your own. That state government ain't going to help you.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: And this federal government probably ain't going to help you either.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And that's the next level of tragedy. I don't care.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I don't really care who you vote for. That is
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: a clear ethos that is reflected by the laws in
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that place in particular. And the laws that come up,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: you know, and the people who make decisions above them,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: that's just the bottom line. They are probably on their own. Right.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Well, so, you know, I had to make this decision
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: a few months ago about like if I was going
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: to move to Texas, if I was going to move
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: to Maryland. Texas is great if you don't need nothing.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: If you don't need no services, if you don't care
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: about public services, if you don't need schools, if you
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: don't need public transit and all that stuff, Texas will
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: probably be fine for you. But God forbid you need something, man.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Like if you lose your job and you want your
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: child to have health insurance.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: That stupid ass power grid. That's what keep me away.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Bro, man, look, man, my mama and my grandmother who
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: was alive at the time was sitting in their house freezing.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I'm like, Why would I
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: want to move my family? Why would I want to
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: put my new family through that? You know what I mean?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Shout out to El Paso, who was like, nah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: We good over here.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: We'll just holler at these people right next door. They
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: were like, we would rather have some of this Mexican insurance,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Mexican electricity. La Luz, El Poner, La Entresidad.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy, I see your lessons coming along. Okay.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, man.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: La.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: El poder en Mexico es más seguro que la electricidad
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: en Texas en particular. For those of you who don't know,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: America has three power grids. The east part of the country,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the west part of the country, and Texas. Texas is
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the people that have their own generator. Except when you
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: got your own generator... It's different because there's also electricity
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: on top of it. Texas just got that generator.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, just think about when you move in someplace.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Do you want to have to have a generator?
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, do I want to have to buy
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: a generator? Is this something that I actually want to
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: have a part of my life?
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: No, not really, bro.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I associate having your own generator. That's up there with
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: the deep freeze in the back to keep your deer alive.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? That is a country move.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I say that with no judgment. But I got my
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: own generator. You also have a satellite dish because the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: cable bad don't come out to where.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: You stay.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's some living that everybody's not really cut
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: out for. And I know some people that have moved
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: down there and moved down there from California. And again,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want to hate on Texas. I love Texas.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I'm a, you know, I mean... I want it to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: be better.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: But people that go down there, man, and they just like, bro,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: would it, you know, it's God forbid you lose your
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: job or something like that. It ain't quite the same thing. So, yeah, man,
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: I hope that they build it back. And I know
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: that they've, you know, the state officials and everybody else
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: have promised to do what they can. But like, let's
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: just check back on that in a year.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, another point we'll get you back, talk a
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: bit about the Houston Rockets. They got Kevin Durant. You know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you ready. You already there.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Man, my Rockets, man, you know, I've been really fortunate
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: in my life, man. When I grew up, Moses Malone
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: was on the team. You know, the Rockets always just
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: keep a good player. You know what I mean? They've
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: never been really bad in my life. I appreciate them
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: not being bad.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: They was just bad a little while ago.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Just for a little bit. But it was in service
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: of something. And now look at us.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now the biggest James Harden apologist in the
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: world sits before us.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, are you going to take this back when
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: he goes to the Hall of Fame? Are you going
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: to like, you know what I mean?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Famer. He's going to the Hall
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: of Fame.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't understand.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Like people in the.
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  Speaker 1: Is Jimmy Butler going to the Hall of Fame?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's plausible. It's plausible.
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  Speaker 4: Joel, why are you saying, the answer is an unequivocal yes.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, is it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Because, again, like– Because you're such a hater that you
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  Speaker 1: can't conceive of the truth.
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  Speaker 3: The postseason matters so much, but these are not equivalent players, though.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say– well, first of all, I didn't say
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  Speaker 1: if they were the same player. I said if he
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  Speaker 1: was going to the Hall of Fame. I know this one.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me which one of them can get you to
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  Speaker 1: the finals. I tell you which one can't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, if that team, the Rockets from 2018
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  Speaker 3: had played in the.
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  Speaker 2: East, they would have been in the finals too.
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  Speaker 1: No, because Jimmy Butler, I mean, Jimmy, not Jimmy Butler,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. James Harden would have found some way to
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: choke out the last game of the season as he
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: has done year after year after year after year after year,
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  Speaker 1: including the year you described.
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  Speaker 3: Any of the Rockets teams that Jimmy Butler took to
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  Speaker 3: the finals, any of them Harden teams.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Hold on, so you're telling me that the James Harden
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: teams would have gone to the East and took out LeBron? No, well,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's because that's what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying that in 2018, if we put them in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the East, they win the East. So you're saying that
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  Speaker 1: James Harden would have taken out LeBron.
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  Speaker 3: I do think the 2018 Rockets would have beat the
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  Speaker 3: Cavs in the finals.
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  Speaker 2: If they had made it, I think they would have
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: beat them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess I am saying that. But I'm definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Saying that if those 2018 Rockets had played in the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: 2020 bubble finals, I definitely think they would have rocked
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler in the heat then, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So which game would James Harden have had the 10 turnovers?
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  Speaker 2: It wouldn't have mattered because we had CP3, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Dishing it out bad.
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  Speaker 1: No, because James Harden got him out of there.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean. Remember that?
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  Speaker 1: Remember that? Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he liked to play the way he wanted
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: to play. I mean, I'm not saying he's a perfect guy.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: But what's, I mean, people should have some appreciation of
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: like the flawed great player. And I have an appreciation
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: for it. And again, that dude played hard for my team, man.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like, I respect that. He played hard for the Rockets.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: He played a lot of games and took on. until
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: he didn't he took he took on the burden of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: being a superstar every night and i think people should and.
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  Speaker 1: Then wilted under it with 10 turnovers against the war
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: just gives the story 27 27 missed three pointers in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: 2018 you remember they missed 27 three pointers.
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  Speaker 2: In a row i i'm familiar i'm familiar with this.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if you was watching that game it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: don't sound like you watched that game.
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  Speaker 3: I i saw it i saw it but uh you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: look again i don't look again I appreciate what he
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: did for my franchise.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate him coming hard.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: And I, and in that way, I'm kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited for KD to get to, to sort of
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: like rebuild his name or whatever, because for whatever reason,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Golden State friends didn't appreciate him properly. And he doesn't
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: get credit for being a two-time finals MVP. Well, come
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: on down here to Houston and we're going to do
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: something now. You know what I'm saying? Like we can,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: we can rebuild that resume. And also just on the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: low about the KD thing, people don't give him enough
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: respect for the 2021 Olympics thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like, That shit do more for his resume than it
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: actually has.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely feel confident that you will give him
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: the respect because if you'll give that much respect to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Jim Horton, you will definitely... I ride with the hometown.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I ride with the hometown. I understand why you can't because.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't live in the hometown. You don't even play
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: for the hometown no more and you still be out
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: here trying to defend him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, Warren Moon, Lorenzo White. I mean, if
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: you play for him, Vernon Maxwell, I think of Vernon Maxwell.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just compare James Horton to Warren Moon?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, bro, I.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the thing about War Moon that people would
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: say is that, like, people would make the argument in
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: the playoffs for War Moon that they probably would.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Make for James Harden. Did you just compare real live
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: black history to Jim Harden?
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  Speaker 3: I see it thinking you're just being disrespectful to that
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  Speaker 3: term of the Rockets. I mean, Jim is going to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: be a top two Rocket? Top two, top three?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: He is number three.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: So you got him behind, obviously, Dream and.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Two-time MVP, Moses Malone. Moses Malone, okay. Who went to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: the NBA Finals.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. I mean, it's just kind of weird
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: because I'm thinking Moses, Bullets, Sixers, whatever, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Two-time MVP with the Rockets.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I give you that. Okay, number three is fine.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, that doesn't get you on the Mount Rushmore, though,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: in all fairness.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: So you're right. But I mean, I think to me,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: if you're a Houstonian... Joe, how many people are.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: On Mount Rushmore?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Four?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Four, right?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: When you asked it to me, I was just like,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: hold on.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Once you came out there, I'm like, damn, what about Rushmore?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: They show Joe.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, right.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my bad.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because you got, it's Dream, it's Warm Moon,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: is it Nolan Ryan?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think Nolan Ryan should make it on there. Damn.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, he played for the Astros for like those
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: nine years. He's He's a local legend, but not to me.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think of him as a local professional. Yeah,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think of him as a local professional sports legend.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Okay. Man, who makes those? Is it like Jeff Bagwell?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: It's probably going to be Altuve.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I think Biggio and Bagwell have a better case than
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: Altuve probably is going to supplant both of them. Now,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's got World Series. Yeah, because Houston don't
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: care about that one thing. Altuve is like Houston's Barry Bonds.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Like, so?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: So?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm like that, too. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: They ain't giving a trophy back.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: And? Yeah, right.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, that is Joel Anderson. Check him out
• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: hating on somebody somewhere.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: That's how I go. But appreciate you having me back on, bro.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
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• 1:04:45
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