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UFOs, The Separation of Church and State, and More. · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Well,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast today, Monovinzalez here with Gary Steerman. Gary,
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  Speaker 1: how are.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Mono, I'm great, and we have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: very interesting topics today.
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  Speaker 1: We certainly do. And for those listening, we encourage you
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  Speaker 1: and our goal is to get you some biblical. Biblical
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  Speaker 1: thinking really is what we're after. We want to think
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  Speaker 1: about the current events through the scripture. I mean, you've
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  Speaker 1: been doing that for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Well a long time, yes, And things are moving faster
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've noticed that we have an acceleration
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  Speaker 2: in world events. Not all of them are things we'd
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  Speaker 2: like to see, and which brings up the first thing
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  Speaker 2: that we want to talk about today, which is America. America,
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  Speaker 2: the beautiful America. God shed his grace on the You know,
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  Speaker 2: we've all sung those words, but lately we're asking ourselves,
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  Speaker 2: is America a post Christian nation? Because some disappointing things
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  Speaker 2: are happening.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a great question because oftentimes,
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  Speaker 1: when when I think about America as a post Christian nation.
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  Speaker 1: I look at it in comparison with the Europe. People
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  Speaker 1: talk about post Christian Europe and when all that happened.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the real question, which I would love
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  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on, Gary, is how do we
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  Speaker 1: define America being a Christian nation. We know that the
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  Speaker 1: word God does not appear in the Constitution. The word
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  Speaker 1: God specifically doesn't appear, you know in many of the
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  Speaker 1: other official documents. Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence
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  Speaker 1: uses the word Creator. Yes, but there are those that
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  Speaker 1: say that America was never a overtly Christian nation in
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  Speaker 1: the sense of founded upon on Jesus Christ. There's no
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  Speaker 1: doubt that they were theis. They were deis in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: They believed in God's they believed in God's existence, they
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  Speaker 1: believe in providence, and no doubt Benjamin Franklin and others.
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  Speaker 1: But so people talk about whether we were ever Christian.
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  Speaker 1: But no matter what the when you go and you
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  Speaker 1: see the growth of our country in the beginning, there's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt it became very Christian with the churches and
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  Speaker 1: the foundation, the foundational timeframe, certainly sixteen hundred and seventeen hundreds,
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  Speaker 1: the pilgrims of Puritans, et cetera. So how do we
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  Speaker 1: define before we say whether it's post how do we
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  Speaker 1: define a marker there? What do you think we?
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  Speaker 2: Was Christian ever, a Christianity ever a compelling movement in America?
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  Speaker 2: And I would say yes, And I go back in
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  Speaker 2: my mind to the day's leading up to the Civil War.
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  Speaker 2: The Civil War had a lot of interpretive christian belief,
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  Speaker 2: and you had factions in the South who had one
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  Speaker 2: type of Christian belief, factions in the North who had
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  Speaker 2: another type of Christian belief. But America's leaders in the
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  Speaker 2: North certainly were believers in God.
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  Speaker 1: As imperfect as they were, but they were believers, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's perfect true.
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  Speaker 2: And in the South they had a slightly different approach,
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  Speaker 2: a more formal approach to Christianity, and they eventually, after
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  Speaker 2: the Civil War evolved a sort of a compatibility with
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  Speaker 2: the Northern States. And from that point on, and I
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  Speaker 2: think of like eighteen sixty five to maybe nineteen forty
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  Speaker 2: eight as a time when we had a Christian ethos
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  Speaker 2: in this country where in government, before people did anything,
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  Speaker 2: they prayed about it. They actually had ideas like would
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  Speaker 2: God approve of this? You know, you'd hear people making
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  Speaker 2: statements like that or asking questions. I think that began
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  Speaker 2: to fade out starting in the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties,
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  Speaker 2: and then with increasing speed in the last three decades.
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  Speaker 2: So I think America was more Christian than than it
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  Speaker 2: was now. But again, how would you put it. Would
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  Speaker 2: you say that we were ever a Christian nation?
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's a great question. We were a theistic nation.
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  Speaker 1: But I think if that's really it's really hard to
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  Speaker 1: defind because many of the founding fathers were Again, we're
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  Speaker 1: very specific Christian now and here's an interesting topic which
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  Speaker 1: our thought. Many people get a little upset, but I
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  Speaker 1: think if they do the research, they'll find that this
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  Speaker 1: is the truth. We often talk about Thomas Jefferson as
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  Speaker 1: an example, where Thomas Jefferson was not a trinitarian. Right
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  Speaker 1: that many of them were unit arians and they believed
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  Speaker 1: in God, but they believed they did they denied the
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  Speaker 1: deity of Jesus, and Thomas Jefferson, as an example, thought
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  Speaker 1: very highly of Jesus's teachings in the in the in
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  Speaker 1: the in the Gospels. However, if you look at his
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  Speaker 1: Jefferson Bible, and you actually spend the time to research it, it's
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  Speaker 1: fascinating to see how he promoted prayer. But in his
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  Speaker 1: Jefferson Bible, he cut out things that he didn't like,
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  Speaker 1: everything that Jesus said, So he didn't he didn't just submit.
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  Speaker 1: If it's the read letters, then it must be true.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you think about Matthew ten, where Jesus tells
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  Speaker 1: you to fear God, who can cast both your body
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  Speaker 1: and soul into Gehenna. Well, those kind of things he
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  Speaker 1: didn't he didn't like. But certainly loving your neighbor. He
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  Speaker 1: all the positive things, the ethical things that that the
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  Speaker 1: way that he phrased it, he embraced, but he denied
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  Speaker 1: the uniqueness and the deity of Christ. John one one
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  Speaker 1: and other passages. So when you look at the founding Fathers,
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  Speaker 1: many of them were pastors, but some event again some
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  Speaker 1: of them were part of the Unitarians, so that it's
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  Speaker 1: not Christian in the way that we understand acknowledging first
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  Speaker 1: and foremost the deed of Jesus or the exclusivity of
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  Speaker 1: Jesus in John fourteen six. But as we think about well,
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  Speaker 1: I think what you nailed at Gary in that if
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  Speaker 1: you look at the early nineteen hundreds, that's when we
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  Speaker 1: put in God, we trust on the currency. But what
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  Speaker 1: I see then is you have this initial religious foundation.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt we were religious. That the country was
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  Speaker 1: founded in a religious way, specifically the way that we
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  Speaker 1: understand Christianity. Probably not so much, but certainly a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the population was that way. Because it is true
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  Speaker 1: you won't find mention of God in the Constitution or
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  Speaker 1: the Bill of Rights or any things, but we do
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  Speaker 1: have the foundation of a creator which is very unitarian
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  Speaker 1: in the Declaration of Independence.
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  Speaker 2: Here's my reaction. After World War One, there was a
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  Speaker 2: terrible depression in America. I'm talking about an emotional depression,
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  Speaker 2: and in Europe and communism began to rue Marxism, and
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  Speaker 2: if you look at what was happening in Russia and
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  Speaker 2: China and Eastern Europe and so forth after World War One,
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  Speaker 2: and then culminating in Hitler. Hitler was a national socialist
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  Speaker 2: and certainly was anti God in the most amazing ways, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yet had a form because you know, he had a form,
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  Speaker 1: a form of God, because you know he did anyways,
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  Speaker 1: he leveraged what he could. But yeah, his actions clearly
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  Speaker 1: were not.
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  Speaker 2: Where I'm moving on this is that after World War One,
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  Speaker 2: I think America was a Christian nation. It was a
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  Speaker 2: time of let's get moral here. And it was a
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  Speaker 2: time when whiskey barrels and prohibition right, liquor bottles during
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  Speaker 2: the prohibition era, where liquor bottles were being smashed in
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  Speaker 2: the streets, and we've all seen the old movies, and
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  Speaker 2: there was kind of a if you can call it that,
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  Speaker 2: a uh.
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  Speaker 1: Revival, Yeah, like a preponderance of revival all through in real.
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  Speaker 2: And then I think there was another revival after World
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  Speaker 2: War Two. People were so thankful that World War Two
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  Speaker 2: had finally come to an end. Israel became a nation
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  Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight. Things began to change in the fifties
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  Speaker 2: and sixties and seventies. I think there was a time
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  Speaker 2: when America really was building churches, building a society. They
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  Speaker 2: still taught, in fact, I remember that they taught about
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  Speaker 2: Jesus in many schools. Many schools had textbooks actually that
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  Speaker 2: featured Bible quotes. And then that all faded out around
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  Speaker 2: the seventies and eighties, and it's been downhill ever since. So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: America is a post Christian nation in that sense, but
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  Speaker 2: I still believe there are a lot of Bible believing
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  Speaker 2: Christians in America.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. In college, I wrote a
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  Speaker 1: like a thesis paper on the separation of Church and State,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that really is the defining marker of
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  Speaker 1: where I see from a national sense. It was a
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  Speaker 1: decision in nineteen forty seven where prayer got was kicked
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  Speaker 1: out of schools, and that's where you had the phrase
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  Speaker 1: the separation of Church and State spoken by a written
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  Speaker 1: by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in eighteen
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  Speaker 1: oh three. This phrase had appeared in other Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: decisions in a positive sense like oh no, the clearly
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  Speaker 1: the original context was people don't realize this that in
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  Speaker 1: the time of the Revolution or only the eighteen hundred,
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  Speaker 1: let's say, there were several there were state religions. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you might go up to Maine and they would have
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  Speaker 1: a state religion, maybe be congregational. You might go down
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  Speaker 1: to Virginia, might be Catholic. So when you look at
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  Speaker 1: the original that's one of the things that I did
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  Speaker 1: in the paper, because I looked at the original formulation
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  Speaker 1: of the First Amendment and there was different drafts, and
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that they would say was the
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  Speaker 1: Congress cell shall not establish any national denomination, not religion.
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  Speaker 1: So really the word religion and denomination were very synonymous
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  Speaker 1: back then, and so henceforth, the Danbury Baptists were writing Jefferson,
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  Speaker 1: who was president, and they were saying, hey, we're worried
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  Speaker 1: that there's going to be some national denomination that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: put us out. And he said, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you can't eat. The First Amendment erects a separation of
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  Speaker 1: church and state, where the federal government has to stay
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  Speaker 1: out of the business of churches where but in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: forty seven, this is where it changed. They turned it
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  Speaker 1: that phrase on its head and said religion has to
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  Speaker 1: stay out of the government. And then that being the case,
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  Speaker 1: that's when we started seeing no more Bible reading, no
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  Speaker 1: more prayers in school rules, which were official part of
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  Speaker 1: all the things. You probably remember that, sure, But one
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  Speaker 1: of the interesting things is Jefferson again, who is a
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  Speaker 1: Unitarian now a Christian as we know it, but he
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  Speaker 1: promoted prayer. He promoted national days of prayer. He actually
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  Speaker 1: they paid for the Bible to be printed and be
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  Speaker 1: used in schools. I'm not treasury money. So you think
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  Speaker 1: about how that couldn't even happen today. There's no way
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  Speaker 1: they would pay. So in nineteen forty seven, once that
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  Speaker 1: separation of church and state precedent became, which again was
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  Speaker 1: unprecedented because the Supreme Court had already ruled in eighteen seventies,
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  Speaker 1: that's when things started changing. That was the official we're
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  Speaker 1: kicking got out and I think the slide from that
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  Speaker 1: moment on led to the sixties and the seventies, and
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  Speaker 1: now a scripture tells us many will depart from the
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  Speaker 1: faith in the last days as we approached the end
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  Speaker 1: of the age, I would say post forty eight Israel.
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  Speaker 1: So that decision in forty seven and Israel becoming forty
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  Speaker 1: eight is very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: That's a signal date. You know one thing that we
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  Speaker 2: rarely talk about, and that is that Christianity has enemies.
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  Speaker 2: As you were talking, I was thinking about this. The
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  Speaker 2: enemy is always trying to unseat anything stable in Christianity,
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  Speaker 2: societal stability in particular, and the relational instability, getting one
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  Speaker 2: faction against another faction. And the Bible from cover to
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  Speaker 2: cover is full of the idea that we have an
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  Speaker 2: enemy who is very, very busy principalities powers, rulers of darkness,
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  Speaker 2: and you and I take that for granted. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: it's true, it's real, and the enemy really is working
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  Speaker 2: and we are working against the enemy. So that the
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  Speaker 2: idea of whether or not we're Christian nation, it sort
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  Speaker 2: of depends on how successful we're pushing against the dark side,
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  Speaker 2: if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think if we were to look at
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  Speaker 1: it from a government perspective again, from nineteen forty seven on,
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  Speaker 1: it just it took time for the government to to
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  Speaker 1: to change the way that they view things. And the
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  Speaker 1: other thing that you saw was them the government, the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court through other amendments now stating taking the first Amendment,
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  Speaker 1: which Congress shall not establish any national religion, to say
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  Speaker 1: that applies to the state governments as well, and so
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  Speaker 1: now it became illegal for all the states to have
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  Speaker 1: any sort of national or state religion, which again they did.
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  Speaker 1: If you look history, it's undeniable. But I think in addition, Gary,
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  Speaker 1: if today we asked the question, is America a post
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  Speaker 1: Christian absolutely not, only because of that, because America religion
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  Speaker 1: has become cursed in the governmental stages not only federally
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  Speaker 1: but through the states. But secondly, if we look at
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  Speaker 1: the society or the church, if we start looking at
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  Speaker 1: the seminaries and the colleges, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, all these
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  Speaker 1: were originally established to train pastors to preach the gospel.
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  Speaker 1: To see all of them, I would say, really, from
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  Speaker 1: eighteen sixty on, with evolution and Darwin, all those things
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  Speaker 1: now infiltrating enlightenment, infiltrating into the seminaries. Now the seminaries
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  Speaker 1: they're not They don't believe the scriptures, the literal word
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  Speaker 1: of God like we do. It's not inspired. And so
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  Speaker 1: now the churches now here we are, we're watching the
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  Speaker 1: churches truly abandon official or historical Christian doctrine. And so
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  Speaker 1: between the government and the churches that we have, are
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  Speaker 1: we post Christian? I would say absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Well, to put it in the language of the street,
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  Speaker 2: as someone once said to me, Christianity ain't cool.
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  Speaker 1: It is too true to say you're a Christian. I
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  Speaker 1: think the other interesting thing is for you and I
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  Speaker 1: people say, are you evangelical? I go, well, whoa wa,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, Now I know what evangelical originally meant
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  Speaker 1: in theological circles. It was a very specific term. It
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  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with evangelism. Evangelical was about whether
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  Speaker 1: you took the Scripture as being inspired in an errant
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  Speaker 1: and for the awe. It was the guide for life.
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  Speaker 1: Now today, evangelical has been hijacked really back in the
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  Speaker 1: nineties by I would say, even the religious right. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not speaking negative about that, but now it's become a
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  Speaker 1: political term where it wasn't. It was a theological term,
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  Speaker 1: very true, very true.
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  Speaker 2: We fight the good fight, and the fight's always going
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  Speaker 2: to be there. You look at the entire church age.
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  Speaker 2: It has been a struggle. And as the Lord speaks
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  Speaker 2: to mankind, he addresses us in that sense that be strong,
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  Speaker 2: be strong in the Lord and the power of his mind. Well,
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  Speaker 2: why do we have to be strong? Well, because we've
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  Speaker 2: got an adversary, and that's the way it is post Christian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm completely willing to say that at
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  Speaker 2: this point in time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have more faith than I do in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think for us, at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, it doesn't change anything. Whether whether we uh
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  Speaker 1: officially have arrived at a post Christian doesn't matter, because
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  Speaker 1: what we know is that the scripture tells us again
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  Speaker 1: many will depart in the end, but as long as
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  Speaker 1: we're here, we're to occupy until until he comes. And
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  Speaker 1: so the goal is to preach the gospel, to share.
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  Speaker 1: God is not willing that any should perish, and he's uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, quote quote waiting. Not that God can wait,
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  Speaker 1: but in our sense God is is delaying his second
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  Speaker 1: coming because he wants more people to be saved. And
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  Speaker 1: so we we have our orders, we have our and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not discouraged. It just makes it makes
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  Speaker 1: us realize that when you go out and you talk
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  Speaker 1: to somebody about Christianity, you have to start at square one.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have Most Americans now don't have the foundation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they think Joan of arc is Noah's wife.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we can give a whole bunch of a
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  Speaker 1: fun little things of you know, Moses, and basic biblical
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  Speaker 1: literacy is is horrible in the church, in the general church.
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  Speaker 1: How and then if you if you were to extrap
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  Speaker 1: like that to the rest of the average American citizen,
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  Speaker 1: they have no clue. So when you come that's another
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  Speaker 1: I would say. Another marker is that one hundred years
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  Speaker 1: ago you could talk to somebody, they would have a
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  Speaker 1: basic biblical framework because they were learning it in school
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. People have no idea about God or the
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  Speaker 1: Gospels or Old Testament New Testament. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think to bring this discussion to the place
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  Speaker 2: that I'd like to really focus on. I really would
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  Speaker 2: like to see the power of Christianity. That is the
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  Speaker 2: ability that it has to come in and change society
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  Speaker 2: for the better. Absolutely wonderful power, illustrated by several great
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  Speaker 2: awakenings in the past, and by the way people who
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  Speaker 2: were living in far worse environments than we are now.
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  Speaker 2: The power of Christianity has manifested itself time and again,
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  Speaker 2: not permanently. It didn't come to power to stay in power.
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  Speaker 2: It always got knocked down again. But Christianity always bounce
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  Speaker 2: us back. And i'd like to think that we're in
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  Speaker 2: a bounce right now that you and I are among
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  Speaker 2: millions out there. Perhaps I want to see this power manifested.
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  Speaker 1: I think that God always says the remnant, this is
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  Speaker 1: the doctrine of the remnant. And you know, we can
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  Speaker 1: kind of end this topic here. The reason we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about it is, if we're listening is just we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about prophetic events, and the scripture tells us that the
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  Speaker 1: many will depart at the end, and it's a sign
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  Speaker 1: of the end of the age as we see the departure.
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  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, here we are, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we know that our goal is to reach the remnant.
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  Speaker 1: God is working on that, and as we stay busy,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to reach every last person that we can.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be encouraged, We're going to trust in
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  Speaker 1: the power of God. Paul said that in second to
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  Speaker 1: me the two ten, why do I endure all these
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  Speaker 1: hardships for the sake of the elect that they too
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  Speaker 1: may obtain salvation. So he's out there getting beat up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's he's getting shipwrecked because he's out there
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  Speaker 1: preaching the gospel. At the time, he wasn't trying to
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  Speaker 1: win the whole world for Jesus in that sense, or
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  Speaker 1: that was what he was just saying, I'm about to
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  Speaker 1: reach the people that the remnant. That's what he was after.
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  Speaker 1: And so a good, good topic, I think, Gary, this
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  Speaker 1: leads us into another topic, if you don't mind, because
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: we hear a prophecy watchers. We love to talk about
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: some of the fun things and some of this strange things,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and UFOs are one of them. And there was a
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: report that came out just this past couple of weeks
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: about a whistleblower. His name's David David. I'm trying to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: David Grush, and let's talk about that. What did this guy?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: What's this guy saying?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Well, what he's saying is I think as he makes
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: a statement which, once spoken, cannot be retrieved. It's one
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: of those things now that, like your dad said, now,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, be careful what you say, if you say,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: because once you say it, it's said. And the statement
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: we're talking about here is there is someone who is
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: a former intelligence official in the US government who is
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: saying that we as a nation possess retrieved, intact and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: partially intact craft of non human origin. And that's end quote.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Now that's a mouthful.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: That is a mouthful. I think what people need to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: understand is, again, our goal is to address things from
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a scriptural perspective. We've talked about UFO UP. I want
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about that as well. But
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you know, back in twenty twenty one or back in
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty they had the UAP task Force, and then
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that got transitioned over to to the All Domain Anomaly
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Resolution often or ARROW in July of twenty twenty two,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: so not even a year ago. So there's no not
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: if the government Congress by congressional order has established these
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: offices in order to research and to evaluate and to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: increase the conversations between intercomverronmental agencies, the communications. But this guy,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this David, he is part of the inside group now
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of these organizations. He was part of the task force
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: as well. So here you have now people that this
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: guy's a career veteran, he's a career a military guy,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and he gets assigned to be a part of these
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: task force to research and now he comes out to say, hey,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: this information is not getting to the Congress, which it
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be. And so he comes out as
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a whistleblower here just a few weeks ago in saying
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: what you just said, non human craft.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Non human craft. Now, if they're not human, who are they?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'd like to throw in something that here of a
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: nomenclature nature. We've talked about UFOs for years and then
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: we start talking about u a ps, you know, unidentified
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: aerial phenomena. Now we've changed it a little bit more
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: with mister is it Groush.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Or Rush David Grush our apologies, Yeah, exactly.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Now we are calling uh, these things that are flitting
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: around in the darkness uh, and people are reporting them,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I think with increasing frequency. We're calling them unidentified anomalous,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: not aerial, unidentified anomalous phenomena, which suggests that they don't
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: necessarily come aerially. They comes anomalously. That is to say,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you can't put your finger on them, you can't categorize them.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: They have their little uh bits of light that come
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: in the darkness and wish and you see them for
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: about three seconds and they're gone, and they are anomalies.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And we're still trying to put a label on these anomalies,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: but the government has now chosen that title unidentified anomalous
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: phenomena being piloted by non human beings. And the the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: un unbeatable idea that comes out of all this is that
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: we have talked with some of the people that are
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: flying these machines. This is absence.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Officially the government in the past. You wrote about this
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in Project Jehovah, Great great article. The government has actually
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: talked with these other beings officially, this is, this is
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: this is what I think is fascinating about this guy's comment.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: He's on the inside, he's whistle blowing. I also, I
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: would love to comment on the name and the change
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in the nomenclature as well, because when they went from UFO,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: which began sixty seventy years ago, everybody knows in the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: modern parlance, but UFO looks like or means it's a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: disc whenever it's something physical roswell, crash, blah blah blah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But I think even there, as soon as they changed
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: it to phenomenon, a phenomenon, the very word phenomenon is
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the idea of a perception. It's not real. Oh look
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: at that phenomenon. It's something that you are perceiving through
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: your physical senses, but you could be it could be
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a light in the sky, which doesn't mean it's physical.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So now by them changing it to phenomenon, they're they're automatic.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: That's a subtle thing. And then, as you said, then
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to add in anomalists is another subtle removal from hardware,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean something. So now you had not only with
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: phenomenon language, but then you have anomalist phenomenon and You're like, Okay,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: really there's nothing here. Guys, you have the denial. This
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: is just simply your perception. It's something that you're seeing
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: with your maybe some some orbs or whatever you're seeing
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: on a dust mode on your camera lens. Blah blah blah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So what I find fascinating is, Gary, do you trust
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the government the Pentagon to be fully forthright in everything
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: they're saying.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Let's see, do I know? No? I don't. And the
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: reason for this is that they are going to milk
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: this phenomenon for all its worth. And I believe we've
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: reverse engineered.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Which is what he claims, Yes, he claims it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: We have several crashed UFOs actually makes that statement. We
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: have some some of them are fragments, some of their
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: entire vehicles the way he phrases it, and much of
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: what they are has over the years, and we're talking
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: about decades now been reverse engineered, and a lot of
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: our high tech stuff is coming out of that reverse engineering. Now,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that's not an anomalous phenomenon to me. That is that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: hard work.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: That's hard. Yeah, that's fact. I mean this goes back
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to and you, I'm sure you know about all this
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and talked about is goes back to the nineties with
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Bob Lazar working at down in Nevada and working on
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: doing the reverse engineering as a physicist. So here's a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: guy that's thirty six years old, he's a decorated veteran.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: He has, you know, impeccable integrity according to the witnesses
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that know him. So for him to come out is very,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: very dangerous, very risky for him. But he's like, no, call,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: congchrist needs to know what is going on here. Now.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Now we could go into a lot of the details.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: People can go to the debrief. This is one of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the main articles that came out was the debrief website
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: thedbrief dot org. But let me ask you. Let's let's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: let's just let's take what we have right now, Gary,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: because I want to ask you some theological Let's switch
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to theology for a minute. Okay, okay, The average Christian
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily follow all this. Our goal you and I,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: both as pastors and teachers, has been to try to
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: guide people always Matthew four to four. We live by
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the word right. The word is central. So here we
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: have let's just take what he says is absolute fact Okay,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: just for the sake of argument, craft pilots that are
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: non human theologically, Now, does this ruin your faith?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Not at all, but it does beg the question, what
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: do you mean by non human? What would these be?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: What would call spirit beings?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Well, let's say that they're flesh like. They're in the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: flesh with their hard with they're in the flesh ship.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: You know, disc this is this is made of metal
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that had to be mined somewhere. It's not just an
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: illusion in the sky, right, So where'd the metal come from?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: It had to be mined somewhere, and you had to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: be fabricated by physical something rather who are piloting.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So mister Grush actually says that we have partial fragments
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of intact vehicles. That's a quote in this article. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: when he's saying that, he's he's talking about a vehicle
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that carries non human entities, And he talks about vehicles,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and he talks about having parts of crashed vehicles and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: also totally intact vehicles. Obviously these have been reverse engineered.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Obviously given decades now of ordinary men on the street
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: looking up seeing one of these things come down in
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: land and then it takes off and disappears, or it
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: may be hovering and suddenly poof, it just winks out
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and goes somewhere else. And when you think about this,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: what are you thinking? Are you thinking a spiritual being
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: or you think about somebody from another galaxy, or what
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: are you thinking of? And I have thought about this
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: for years, and I come down on the side of
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: what the Bible would refer to as spiritual entities, that
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: is to say, they are empties capable of altering their
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: disposition to be physical.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: We obviously know that from Genesis six. Yeah, they could
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: take on corporeal bodies, no problem. We see that not
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: only Genesis six, but Genesis eighteen. The two angels that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: appear to Abraham, they're with the Lord, they're eating. Then
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: they in chapter nineteen they go to a sodomic amora.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I think what I will not do is just it's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: too easy to say, oh, they're just demons. Well that's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to me, that's so that's weak, because a demon is
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a non corporeal, spiritual being that's looking to be embodied.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: We're not just dealing with a light in the sky
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: where maybe you have a see this is see this
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: is where I think the government is tricky because I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: think the average average Christian might say, oh, well, it's
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: not physical, it's just a phenomenon. So if they're going
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to buy into the government saying and say, no, it
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: was just a lightning sky, there's nothing physical about it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But what we're saying now is Christians, we have to
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: come to grips with this idea that this is not
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: just a non corporeal spiritual demon. This is actually a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: real craft that was put together and fabricated somewhere with
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: real material that we are able to reverse engineer. See.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: To me, this takes it to a whole other level
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: as a Christian to say, oh, okay, now, I'm not
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: saying Gary that we have all the answers or even
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that the Bible specifically is going to reveal all of
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the answers to who these who these other beings might be.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Where did the craft come from? Did it come from
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: another galaxy? In my mind, I would say maybe it did.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Does that does that ruin my Christian faith?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: No?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: We do know that there's again the angels that are there,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: good angels, bad angels, But uh, where where does craft
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: come from? Did it? Was it mine? Was that hard? Material,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Did it come from another solar system or whatever? Possibly?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Does that bother me? No, it doesn't bother me at all,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: because the Bible doesn't give us all of the answers
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: as it relates. But that's that's the one question. But
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the second question is who are they and what are
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: they doing and what's their message?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Well? I take the biblical view, as you know, they
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: are principalities and powers and rules of darkness. The apostle Paul,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you know, talks about man who went into another dimension,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and Paul speaks of four dimensions, length, with breadth and heights,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and he just tosses that off like everybody knows it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: But he also talks about having gone to a place
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: in another dimension which he was forbidden to speak of
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: when he came back, and he called it the Third Heaven.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And so we know that there are other dimensions, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: we also know that there are renegades within those dimensions.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: The Bible is very very persuasive and telling us about
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the history of man on earth, and there are evil,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: rebellious sons of God who have quite a history in
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the Old Testament, and they were able to manifest themselves
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: to human beings and then disappear, and we have many,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: many instances of that in scripture, and so I've always
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: taken that view of what these quote unquote UAPs are
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: you whatever you want to call them, unidentified objects are
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: like the ships who appeared to the prophet when the
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: enemy was coming. Suddenly a prophet was given a vision
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and he could see ships on his side flown by
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: angels who are going to defeat the enemy. That's a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Bible story. And you have ships that manifest themselves. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: do I believe it? Yeah, sure I do. It's in
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the Bible. And then that phenomenon of being able to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: move into our dimension and move out of it is biblical.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I think that I agreed, Gary, because if you read
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the Book of Hebrews or even in the Book of Revelation,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that there is a literal I mean, there's a literal
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I would even say physical arc in heaven. There's a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: literal physical temple in heaven, because we know from the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Book of Hebrews and even from the Book of Exodus
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that Moses patterned the earthly tabernacle after the physical and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: literal one in Heaven. It even mentions the arc being
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: seen and mentions an angel going over the to the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to getting some incense and throwing it to the earth,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and so we have a throne. So I think oftentimes
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: as Christians we are very limited or narrow in our
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: views that we think, oh, there's nothing else physical anywhere
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: in the universe. Well, we don't know that. We don't
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: know what else is physical in heaven. We just assume
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that angels are are just flying. There's no there's no
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: verse in the Bible that that that as that. It
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: says that angels were flying with their wings. We don't
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: know that Cherubam and Serapheme have wings, but they have
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: six wings. But in the sense of flying from outside
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: of our earthly atmosphere where the angels, you know, they
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: get dispatch. Gabriel gets dispatched from God down to Earth.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: We don't know. We're limited. That's all I'm saying is that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: But there's hints in the Bible, as you mentioned in
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Tewod King six talking about chariots of f iron, all
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that those mean were they literal or spiritual? I think
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: they were cloaked because his the eyes of the servant
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: in the second King sixth, his eyes were open to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: see these these these charts in Marcavaca. Vote right, they
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: were they physical? I tend to think that they could be,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: but they were cloaked in some way, yeah, or.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Able to emerge into another dimension, right. I think of
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Ezekiel's wheel, you know, when it landed, and there's this
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: incredible description of it the Bible, which many people have
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: tried to imagine, but it's way too complex, it's above
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: our ability. And yet I, with all my heart, I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: believe in the reality of that vehicle, which was flown
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: by the Lord to Ezekiel manifested itself, and if we
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: believe scripture, Ezekiel was even taken aboard this and given
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a ride, and he described a force pushing down on
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: him when it took off, which I've experienced in airplane. Yes,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: g force, and so to me, the.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Hand of the Lord was upon him. So that's that's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: kind of that's the imagery.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Yet, yeah, pushing down. And he also heard sounds emanating
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: from from this vehicle. So as a Christian, there's no
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: problem at all for me to imagine that such a
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: vehicle exists. Neither is there a problem for me to
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: imagine the dark side. And it also possesses such vehicles. Yeah,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and they use their vehicles for very very dark things
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that we read about. I mean, how many books have
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: been published in the last fifty years on UFO abductions.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's by the dark side.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: And who are the abductors?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: See that that let's let's let's summarize this because you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: as as more and more information, I don't trust the government.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You know, this whistleblower. I'm not saying I trust him
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent either. But what we do know is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that there has been an agenda within modern culture, with
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: all of the movies and the media and and and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the films marvel to to to create a thought a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: mindset in the minds not only of of of people,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: but also especially the young people. So as we come
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and we try to understand the nature of a great
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: deception that Seklenstonians two describes, we have to come and say, hey,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: if if, if if an alien ship that, according to
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this guy, a physical ship, if that physical ship showed
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: up tomorrow. And as we've you mentioned or you wrote
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: about in the Project Jehovah, that there's been this agreement
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: by these non human entities, physical non human entities with
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the governments around the world. This isn't just this is global.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: He mentioned that too, that this is global. Does it go,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the Bible is wrong? Not at all?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: What the real question? See again, we just say, hey,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the Bible doesn't give us all of the answers God
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: says he there's there's mysteries that he holds to himself.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: But what we do know is fact, Jesus is the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: only way. So again I always joke that I want
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to go up and shake their hand and say, oh wow,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: look at you. You got a handshake. One question for you,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: do you believe Jesus is the Messiah, the son of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the Living God, and salvation is found only through him.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: That's a yes or no question. Don't spin me, you know.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: So when we ask these questions, it'd be like, well
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I was your creator. No, I don't care about that.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Do you acknowledge that Jesus is Messiah? And that is
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the determining factor. And I think for the most part,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the average person we just talked about a post Christian America,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the average American out there, they're not going to think
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that way. So for them, this deception, this delusion that's coming.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Could it be connected with some sort of massive amount
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of malevolent deception. You mentioned abductions. There's been I mean
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: John Mack and Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs, Carla Turner,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: all these these PhD people, they've done research on what
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: we do know. What I imagine is good angels are not
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: going to come down to deceive humanity. These are malevolent
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that they're bad in some way, But we don't have
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: all the answers.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Well, let me just quickly say that what you're describing
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: sounds like what we've always called the supernatural. In other words,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: supernatural being something beyond a dimension, as the devil and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: his angels and the good angels of the Lord. And
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: there are these celestial battles that have gone on in
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the past, and they're going on right now, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: And there is a battle in the heavens, and there
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  Speaker 2: is another dimension above us. The Bible is very clear
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  Speaker 2: about that, and there is a contest to see who
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  Speaker 2: can win human souls and Christians, I think evangelical Christians,
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  Speaker 2: people who are out there wanting to spread the Gospel,
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  Speaker 2: understand that there is a demon hyperdimensional battle that sometimes
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  Speaker 2: bleeds through into our dimension, and we see it maybe
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  Speaker 2: in the form of UFOs at night for just a
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  Speaker 2: few seconds and pop it's gone again. But maybe it
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  Speaker 2: chooses to manifest itself as something metallic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, physical, physical.
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  Speaker 2: And it has.
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  Speaker 1: Done so.
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  Speaker 2: And if the the information coming out from the from
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  Speaker 2: the government is true, they've got the parts and pieces
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  Speaker 2: to prove that whatever these things are on the other
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  Speaker 2: in the other dimension, when they come into this dimension,
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  Speaker 2: it's possible for them to crash and burke.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they see that's the key. And I think as
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  Speaker 1: we end this segment, people as if you're a Christian,
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  Speaker 1: I've just encouraged encourage people that don't. Don't don't buy
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  Speaker 1: into the deception of what they what they could or
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  Speaker 1: couldn't be, or that that there are our saviors, there
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  Speaker 1: are creators, progenitors, whatever. But on the other hand, don't
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  Speaker 1: deny it either. I don't. I think Christians shouldn't put
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  Speaker 1: their head in the sand and going no, it can't
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  Speaker 1: be ture, it can't be ture the Bible and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: hold on a minute, because in Daniel ten we get this,
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  Speaker 1: we get little glimpses. God gives us enough to say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: there's more, be humble, there's more behind the scenes than
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  Speaker 1: you realize that the angels is dispatched to go to Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: but yet he's he's hindered by another evil angel, an
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  Speaker 1: evil prince, and he says, I had to call Michael's
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  Speaker 1: help to come help me. And so Michael comes and
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  Speaker 1: so the thing for me is that this fighting this hindrance,
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  Speaker 1: it was a spatial location. He was dispatched from heaven
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  Speaker 1: to come down to physically be in Daniel's presence, but
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  Speaker 1: he was physically hindered for twenty one days right until
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  Speaker 1: he got reinforcements from Michael. So this isn't a figurative battle.
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  Speaker 1: This is a literal spatial battle. When we go to
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  Speaker 1: Revelation twelve and we see Michael and his angels fighting
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  Speaker 1: against Satan and his angels, is this a figurative battle?
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  Speaker 1: Are they just having a spiritual figurative or is it real?
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  Speaker 1: Is it somehow physical, behind the scenes, interdimensional, behind whatever
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  Speaker 1: kind of what we saw in Second King six. So
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  Speaker 1: I just encourage people to be hey, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, the Bible does give hints of this,
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  Speaker 1: and there's so much that we don't know. We're not
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  Speaker 1: here claiming to know, but we know enough to recognize
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  Speaker 1: that there are these physical things behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I have to say something right now because
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  Speaker 2: it's just bursting out of me. Secular man, men who
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  Speaker 2: do not believe in the Lord Jesus as Savior or
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  Speaker 2: the Bible or whatever, have attempted to crack the code
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  Speaker 2: on the things we're talking about by writing science fiction.
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  Speaker 2: Science fiction started back in the nineteenth century, and then
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning of the twentieth and up to the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the twentieth it was just it boomed. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: knows about science fiction and star wars. A satellite physicist,
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  Speaker 2: a man of mathematician, became a sci fi writer. His
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  Speaker 2: name is Arthur C. Clark. He actually helped his design
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  Speaker 2: systems that became satellite systems. But he wrote a book
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  Speaker 2: about a vehicle like the one we're talking about, that
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  Speaker 2: landed on a planet Earth, and it carried a savior.
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  Speaker 2: And this savior had spoken with man by long distance
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  Speaker 2: radio for a long long time before the craft landed.
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  Speaker 2: When it finally landed and he stepped out, guess what
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  Speaker 2: he had a redskin, strange eyes, and a forked tail.
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  Speaker 2: And Arthur C. Clark is raising a question, who are these
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  Speaker 2: people that are coming. In his sci fi way, he
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  Speaker 2: was asking a biblical question, and the Bible answers it. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I think when it comes back to again the ultimate question,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, Paul said in Galatians Won,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if an angel from heaven comes, if
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  Speaker 1: he comes with any other gospel chapter one, verse seven
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  Speaker 1: through nine, any other gospel, let him be anathema than
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  Speaker 1: that which Paul preached. And that is the exclusivity of
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ as the Savior, the Creator himself, the one
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  Speaker 1: who came down in the flesh. Because again the spirit
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  Speaker 1: of the anti Christ denies that Jesus came in the flesh.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a denial of Jesus, no doubt. So as
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  Speaker 1: we think about the future and as we think about
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  Speaker 1: what's happening, one of the biggest things, as we see
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  Speaker 1: in the all of a discourse, Jesus said it. Paul
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  Speaker 1: said it. John said in the book Revelation that deception.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure that no one deceives you. And the only
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  Speaker 1: way that we're not going to be deceived through all
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  Speaker 1: of this information. I mean, this is powerful information here
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  Speaker 1: by a whistleblower. And again I'm not saying that he's right.
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  Speaker 1: But even if we take it as fact, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: bother my faith because we are rooted in the foundation
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  Speaker 1: of these of these scriptural principles. But also that scripture
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  Speaker 1: does teach about these other crafts, the other MRCA vote,
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  Speaker 1: these other chariots, whatever that looks like Ezekiel one, tewod
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  Speaker 1: King six, we just go.
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  Speaker 2: Arthur Clark titled his book Childhoods and with the idea
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  Speaker 2: that at some point humanity is going to see the
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  Speaker 2: stark truth when that individual steps out of that chip
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  Speaker 2: and it's realized, wait a minute, that this may be
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  Speaker 2: the enemy who has been presenting himself to us as
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  Speaker 2: an angel off hes, an angel of light, and that
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  Speaker 2: is so biblical.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Gary, you and I. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be fun to watch because we you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've been watching for years, but really from twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 1: with Fox News and Tucker and others, it's becoming like
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: every few months now we get more information of especially
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  Speaker 1: what La Marzuli talks about the disclosure. You know, we've
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: done films were around the ninth rung of the latter. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to him last week and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I think we're on the eighteenth rung now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because disclosure, which has been really predicted for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: we're living in it. This is the soft disclosure that's
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  Speaker 1: coming out because you hear you have a whistleblower coming,
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  Speaker 1: you have the official Pentagon narrative denying it going, well,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: this guy, but yet he's got incredible integrity and credentials.
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  Speaker 1: Testimony from people Congress has gone, well, what's the real truth?
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  Speaker 1: And also if you bring in there's no doubt the
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  Speaker 1: black ops of other things, the military black ops, they
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: have desire to keep this information from being known because
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it is a national security issue, not only for what
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  Speaker 1: they can do to us, but also what we've accomplished
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  Speaker 1: on our own in the reverse engineering. How much have
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  Speaker 1: we done? Are we gonna let our cards out?
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me started. I have made a study of
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  Speaker 2: this over the years, and reverse engineering has brought us
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  Speaker 2: everything we call high tech, including what's morphing into AI,
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  Speaker 2: which is very scary, by the way, And I want
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  Speaker 2: to read a sentence and this would be a good
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  Speaker 2: way to bring this to a close. Jonathan Gray is
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with
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  Speaker 2: a top secret clearance, who currently works for the National
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  Speaker 2: Air and Space Intelligence Center, where the analysis of UAP
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  Speaker 2: has been his focus. Previously, he had experienced serving private
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  Speaker 2: aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task cources. He's
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  Speaker 2: way up there, and he says, this is a quote.
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  Speaker 2: The non human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,
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  Speaker 2: he said. Retrievals of this kind are not limited to
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  Speaker 2: the United States. This is a global phenomenon. We're talking
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  Speaker 2: about the Chinese, the Russians, people all over the world.
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  Speaker 2: They're getting little bits and pieces. It reminds you of
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  Speaker 2: the story that you read in the Book of Ina
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  Speaker 2: where our group of angels came down and gave technology
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  Speaker 2: to man. You remember that. Yeah, Oh my goodness, is
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  Speaker 2: it happening again. And he says, this is a global phenomenon,
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  Speaker 2: and yet a global solution tends to elude us. He said,
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  Speaker 2: that's where we are. It sounds so much like the
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  Speaker 2: things mentioned in Bible prophecy to me.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. Gary. And as we over the past
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  Speaker 1: few years, we've seen the trend. I mean the word
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  Speaker 1: global when I see things that are globally affecting the
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  Speaker 1: entire planet. You know whether even whether it's COVID or
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: anything else, you know, regulations, we'll talk about that as well.
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  Speaker 1: I tend to think this is this contributes to the
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  Speaker 1: end of the age scenario. Now, as a preacher person,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: we don't know how far or how far along when
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: the rapture's going to happen, how much of this will
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: be able to navigate along, whether it's going to it's
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: not going to totally appear after we're gone, because it's
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  Speaker 1: already appearing now. So it's setting the stage for when
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the rapture does take place, and for potentially there to
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  Speaker 1: be an alien type. Will the Antichrist be connected somehow
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  Speaker 1: with an alien idea or a non human Well, this
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: guy says, this guy's saying it, So the stage is
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  Speaker 1: being said. I think let's end it here. In the
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  Speaker 1: sense of as a Christian, this is exciting because and
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt our faith at all. We come back
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  Speaker 1: and we go No, there's hints of it all throughout
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  Speaker 1: the Bible, and at the end of the day we
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: recognize this is contributing. We are going straight. I mean,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: like the slope. I like to run hills, but the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: slope is getting steeper and steeper as it comes, and
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: certainly faster and faster to the end game.
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  Speaker 2: I would just ask you one question, rhetorical question on Nope,
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  Speaker 2: you've read have you read I'll make it a question,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: have you read Revelation? Of course you have, And what
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: do you see after the opening of the seals? See
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: all kinds of strange creatures rampaging over the Earth and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: making an absolute misery of the surface of planet Earth.
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  Speaker 2: And you think, well, where did they come from? Well,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: my goodness, it's like almost like sci fi. They almost
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: came from outer space or something like that, except we're
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: talking about the Bible, and we're talking about something of
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  Speaker 2: that's in our future. And you and I, I think both
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  Speaker 2: believe we're seeing a bit of a foreshadowing of the
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: things to come.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know, Gary, this has been a great conversation.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: You know it's here. We are good podcast. So for
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: those listening, appreciate you listening as well, and you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: keep watching us. Gary likes to say, because there's a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: lot going on. Things are happening on an almost daily basis,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and subscribe to the channel will continue to keep you
• 50:51
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, it's been great, Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.