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Speaker 1: He's the good report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight Ukraine agrees to a cease fire, but does Russia
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Speaker 2: even care?
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Speaker 3: And what will Donald Trump do?
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Speaker 2: Then I'll talk to Ukraine's ambassador pluss Kevin Rudd just
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Speaker 2: proved is a dud ambassador and the newspaper bands of
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Speaker 2: Clive palmerad but still claims is for free speech. How
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Speaker 2: does that work? Also tonight the stunning report shows and
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Speaker 2: that zero has been absolutely useless, a colossal money pit
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Speaker 2: an the American influence who stole the one back Joey
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Speaker 2: from his mum. But first, and before I start, so
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Speaker 2: those views have written to me disappointed that I've criticized
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I hear you, and I will respond to you.
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Speaker 2: Those haven't written back to already once I've dealt with
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Speaker 2: the big news today, just keep watching, and that uses
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump slapping tariffs on our steel and animinium experts
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Speaker 2: to America. Now, I don't know how else to put this.
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Speaker 2: This is spitting in the face of a friend. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was quite right today.
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Speaker 4: Such a decision by the Trump administration is entirely unjustified.
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Speaker 4: This is against the spirit of our two nations enduring friendship.
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Speaker 2: But there is a brutal lesson here that Anthony Abnezi
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Speaker 2: seems blind to. We now know what having Australia as
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Speaker 2: an ally matters to this US president. I mean, we
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Speaker 2: have fought in many American wars in Korea, in Vietnam, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq,
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Speaker 2: yet Trump still hits US with a twenty five percent
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Speaker 2: tariff on these things. I mean, that's really low. Trump
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Speaker 2: even refused to take our Prime minister's call over the
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Speaker 2: past month, after making a fool of him last month
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Speaker 2: by feeding him false hope and the only call they've
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Speaker 2: had actually this year that we would get an exemption.
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Speaker 4: I presented Australia's case for an exemption and we agreed
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Speaker 4: on wording to say publicly, which is that the US
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Speaker 4: President agreed that an exemption was under consideration for in
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Speaker 4: the interests of both of our countries.
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Speaker 3: More fool him for believing it.
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Speaker 2: Trump also shout out our ambassador Kevin Rudd, which Peter
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Speaker 2: Dunton jumped all over today.
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Speaker 5: It's obvious that Anthony Albanezi and Kevin Right have had
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Speaker 5: a shoka. The Prime Minister can't secure a phone call
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Speaker 5: a little one a meeting with the President of the
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Speaker 5: United States, And how on earth can an outcome be
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Speaker 5: negotiated if the President won't even take the prime minister's call.
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Speaker 2: I think that's too hard. I mean, I'm hearing a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, Albanism, he should have gone and
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Speaker 2: seen Trump. He should have kissed the ring. But Trump
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Speaker 2: doesn't even want to speak to him. And you look
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Speaker 2: what happened when Canada's Prime minister has just quit. Justin
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Speaker 2: Trudeau went and went a crawl all over Trump at
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Speaker 2: his home, and yet Canada got hit with even more
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Speaker 2: tariffs than us. I think blaming Albanezi for this is
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Speaker 2: really just politics. I've seen nothing, nothing that tells me
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Speaker 2: Trump would have spared us even so, and I'll say
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Speaker 2: it again, Trump Trump thinks of Kevin Rudd might be
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Speaker 2: one issue. I mean, Rudd is damaged. Goods our ambassador
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Speaker 2: Trump knows rudders insulted him as the village idiot and nuts,
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Speaker 2: and Albanis he should have begged for a Trump friend.
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Speaker 3: Like billionaire miner Gina Reinhardt.
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Speaker 2: Maybe to go and act for Australia instead of this
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Speaker 2: matter should at least, I'm sure, have got to hear
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Speaker 2: him from the president, heard the good news or almost
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Speaker 2: certainly bad. But more importantly the big lesson have our
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Speaker 2: politicians realized what the streatment we got actually means for
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Speaker 2: our military defense. I don't think we can assume any
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Speaker 2: longer that America is just going to come and save us.
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Speaker 2: So if that's the case, we have to spend a
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Speaker 2: lot more to to defend ourselves, and spend it fast.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump's team says we've got to spend fifty
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Speaker 2: percent more. But all that said, too many people are
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Speaker 2: treating what Trump's done to us is.
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Speaker 3: An economic disaster. I said, oh, this is terrible, shocking
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Speaker 3: day for Australia. Get a grip. Trump's tariffs will hurt
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Speaker 3: Americans more than us. The US is unlikely to stop
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Speaker 3: buying our aluminium and steel, at least in the short term.
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Speaker 3: Americans will just have to pay more for them, and
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Speaker 3: our price plus twenty five percent for the tariffs of
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Speaker 3: Trump more for them. So it's actually I wondered the
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Speaker 3: US stock market. The benchmark S and P five hundred
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Speaker 3: has fall and eight percent in the month, eight percent
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Speaker 3: as Trump imposes tariffs on friends and rivals alike, especially
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Speaker 3: though on his friends. Now I get it.
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Speaker 2: Trump's plan is to make America great again by taxing
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Speaker 2: imports and thereby getting America to build more of the
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Speaker 2: stuff it buys from overseas.
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Speaker 6: The tariffs are going to be throwing off a lot
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Speaker 6: of money to this country. And we've been ripped off
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Speaker 6: for years by other countries, many many decades, and they
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Speaker 6: were doing the same thing. But I think we'll do
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Speaker 6: it better, and I think we have a bigger advantage
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Speaker 6: because we really are the piggy bank.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Trump wants more jobs, but I think it's unlikely, as
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Speaker 2: tariffs will actually make Americans richer. And what Trump forgets
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Speaker 2: is that what has helped make America great are its friends,
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Speaker 2: friends who do back it in war as well as
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Speaker 2: in peace, friends who share its values and a bond.
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Speaker 2: And I reckon It's tariff war is going to cost
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Speaker 2: him some of them. He's already turned Canada into a
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Speaker 2: virtual enemy, and not just by imposing five cent tarif's
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Speaker 2: almost across the board, but yesterday threatened to wipe out
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Speaker 2: It's car in the stry, deliberately and taunting Canada yet
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Speaker 2: again to end that pain by becoming America's fifty first state. Now,
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Speaker 2: some countries are going to now figure that America's friendship
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Speaker 2: isn't actually worth much, some will turn more to China
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Speaker 2: or trade more with that communist giant, making them more
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Speaker 2: dependent on America's greatest rival. I think they should frighten
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Speaker 2: Trump and US. Now, for conservatives, there's now given all
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Speaker 2: this a challenge. You know, some almost worshiped Trump and
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Speaker 2: his tough guy act, and they will not hear a
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Speaker 2: word against them, And I hear from some of them
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Speaker 2: very angry with me. And let me repeat, I like
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Speaker 2: a lot about Trump's war on woke and I've said
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Speaker 2: it here very often, and I totally back is demand
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Speaker 2: the rest of the West spends more on defense. But
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Speaker 2: we now see that it planned to make America great
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Speaker 2: again can mean make Australia poorer or more in China's grip.
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Speaker 2: So we must speak up for our own country and
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Speaker 2: not just his. If the Trump revolution fails, this blind
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Speaker 2: worship of Trump power, that will taint conservatives for a generation.
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Speaker 2: I think it's time to be loyal, not to the
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Speaker 2: disloyal Trump, but to ourselves. Join me from Washington is Australian.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Hamilton is an assistant professor of economics at the
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Speaker 2: George Washington University and a visiting fellow at the Australian
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Speaker 2: National University. Stephen Hamilton, thank you so much, indeed for
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Speaker 2: your time. This does seem a dirty way to treat
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Speaker 2: a close ally.
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Speaker 3: What do you think Donald Trump's up to here?
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Speaker 7: Look, we're getting the same treatment as everybody else. He's
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Speaker 7: decided to say lapigs tariffs on every country that's setting
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Speaker 7: steel and luminium to the US.
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Speaker 1: You know, Canada is getting a much worse go than
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Speaker 1: we are.
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Speaker 7: And i'd consider Canada before this to have been you know,
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Speaker 7: the America's closest ally by a mile, and so I
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Speaker 7: think all bets are off. You know, everything we thought before,
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Speaker 7: all of the red lines that we thought existed, all
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Speaker 7: of the long friendships that we thought were everything. I
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Speaker 7: think we should be having a long hard think about those.
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Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, totally agree with you. It
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Speaker 2: seems that allies and friendships that doesn't matter as much,
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Speaker 2: which has real ramifications for our defense for a start.
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Speaker 2: That said, Stephen, people going around like you know, the
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Speaker 2: heavens have fallen in over here is political dynamite. You
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Speaker 2: should see it to believe it. That said, how much
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Speaker 2: will these tariffs really hurt because our aluminium and steel
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Speaker 2: experts of the US makeup just zero points zero three
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Speaker 2: percent of our economic output, and not all of that
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Speaker 2: will be lost, at least in the short term. I
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Speaker 2: think Americans will still by our steel even with the
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Speaker 2: twenty five percent worked on it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head, maybe a
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Speaker 7: nail amount of steel from South Australia. You know, the
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Speaker 7: share of our exports, the share of our exports of
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Speaker 7: this covers is insignificant.
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Speaker 1: It's a rounding era, right, So you know.
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Speaker 7: It's bad for the workers, you know, in the sense
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Speaker 7: that they might lose a bit of income, maybe the
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Speaker 7: production level will go down, but you know, it's not
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Speaker 7: at all, you know, a big deal in the grand
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Speaker 7: scheme of Australias exports. And it certainly doesn't deserve the
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Speaker 7: kind of media coverage it's gone. But I think you know,
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Speaker 7: there is a much bigger story behind it, which is,
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Speaker 7: you know, this isn't the only.
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Speaker 1: Way the tariff are going to affect Australia. Right.
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Speaker 7: So Donald Trump is doing something that you know, no
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Speaker 7: American president has done in more than one hundred years,
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Speaker 7: which is is to start to look inward, right, It's
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Speaker 7: to start to disengage from the global economy, and America
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Speaker 7: was responsible for about forty percent global consumption. So America
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Speaker 7: we're drawing from the global economy is going to have
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Speaker 7: cascating effects on everybody. And as a small open economy,
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Speaker 7: you know, a little Australia at the bottom of the world,
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Speaker 7: we rely so much on that global trade. Right, Everything
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Speaker 7: just about that we can asue him comes from overseas,
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Speaker 7: and we send a hell of a lot of iron
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Speaker 7: ore and other resources to China. So you know, we
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Speaker 7: have a lot to lose from a big breakdown in
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Speaker 7: the global trade balance, and I think, you know that
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Speaker 7: is something that could come out of this this whole affair.
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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned what he thought of friendships and all that,
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Speaker 2: and that's out the door.
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Speaker 3: You know what worries me.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that worries me about this tariff
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Speaker 2: for Stephen is that it'll actually encourage more countries like
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Speaker 2: US to become more dependent on China, which is America's
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Speaker 2: big rival, more economically dependent, which gives Chinda a big
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Speaker 2: say as well, big influence over countries like US. Has
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Speaker 2: An facted that into is calculations here, Well.
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Speaker 7: It certainly hasn't and I think, you know, the thing
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Speaker 7: that we learned through the post war period right of
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Speaker 7: the twentieth century, was that economic relationships are part of
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Speaker 7: solidifying geostrategic diplomatic relationships. Right, So by bringing by bringing
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Speaker 7: training partners together, that prevents them from fighting with one
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Speaker 7: our right. So this is this is not something someone
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Speaker 7: came up with overnight. This is something that was the
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Speaker 7: product of decades and decades and decades of hard work
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Speaker 7: experience by a lot of very smart and very thoughtful people.
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Speaker 7: And Donald Trump has decided to kind of tear it
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Speaker 7: all up overnight. So I don't imagine he has thought
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Speaker 7: about it. You're exactly right.
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest threat to this with America moving
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Speaker 1: inwards is that America becomes alienated from the rest of
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Speaker 1: the world, right and in fact loses its status as.
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Speaker 7: The kind of leader of the three or free world,
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Speaker 7: which presumably Donald Trump values very highly.
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Speaker 1: So yes, I don't think this auges well all for
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Speaker 1: America's place in the world in the years ahead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just to pick up what you said, I mean,
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Speaker 2: there was a theory for years that no country with
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Speaker 2: the McDonald's attacked another country with the McDonald's from the
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Speaker 2: incame NATO's war and Serbia and that went out the window.
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Speaker 2: But why is Trump so hooked on tariffsy He says that, yes,
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Speaker 2: they're going to bring back industries to the United States,
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Speaker 2: will make the United States less dependent on the world.
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Speaker 2: The workers there will be more workers, it will make
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Speaker 2: more of what it uses. And yet you see the
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Speaker 2: stock market now falling hard because of these tariff wars.
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Speaker 2: There's even talk now of a potential recession. Do you
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Speaker 2: think Trump's tariffs will eventually work.
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Speaker 7: Well, they'll work, but they'll work by and making American poor. Right,
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Speaker 7: So at the end of the day, we have to
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Speaker 7: ask yourself, Okay, you know, we manufacture a toaster, right
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Speaker 7: instead of China manufacturing the toaster.
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Speaker 1: And that's great because some of America gets to work in
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Speaker 1: a toaster factory.
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Speaker 7: But the trouble is that America is earning a hell
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Speaker 7: of a more now, right than the person making the
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Speaker 7: toaster in China. And that's why the dost is cheap, right,
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Speaker 7: And cheap toasters are one of the ways we have
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Speaker 7: high wages in America.
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Speaker 1: Right. It's our real wages that are high because we
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Speaker 1: pay such low prices for the goods and services we consume.
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Speaker 7: So by bringing those jobs high, we're lowering people's wages
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Speaker 7: and we're raising the prices.
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Speaker 1: They pay for everyday goods and services. So that's exactly
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Speaker 1: the way in which it makes America poorer.
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Speaker 7: You know, I think I look at you know, Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump's make America Great against logan, And I've lived in
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Speaker 7: this country since twenty twelve, and I can tell you
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Speaker 7: America has.
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Speaker 1: Always been great.
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Speaker 7: And what's made it great, what's made at the richest
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Speaker 7: country in the world, right, and it really is right,
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Speaker 7: the highest per capita income by a mile.
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Speaker 1: Is that our house about economy.
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Speaker 8: And when I look at the stock market falling by
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Speaker 8: eight percent in the last month, that's giving us a
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Speaker 8: very strong signal that profits in the future are going
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Speaker 8: to be eight percent lower, which means there's going to
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Speaker 8: be less and the best there's going.
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Speaker 1: To me a lot of wages and there's going to
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Speaker 1: be a slower economy. Right.
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Speaker 7: So, up until this point, Trump has taken that stock
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Speaker 7: market as a clear signal of what not to do,
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Speaker 7: But by now he seems to be ignoring it and plowing.
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Speaker 1: On nonetheless, and I do worry about what that means.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you want a model for a country that
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Speaker 2: makes almost everything it uses itself. You go to North Korea,
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Speaker 2: of course, but I don't know if that really is
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Speaker 2: the model. As Stephen Hamilton, thank you so much indeed for.
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Speaker 1: Your time, by pleasure.
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Speaker 2: It's been a head of twenty four hours from Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump has also just done the easy bit in getting
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Speaker 2: a cease fire in Ukraine. He actually forced Ukraine to
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Speaker 2: agree to this proposed thirty days cease far but publicly
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Speaker 2: insulting Ukraine's president even last week cutting off supplies of
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Speaker 2: American weapons and intelligence. And this morning our time, Trump's
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Speaker 2: Secretary Estate Marco Rubio announced he did have a deal
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Speaker 2: with the Ukrainian team after negotiations in Saudi Arabia.
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Speaker 3: It will take this offer and out of the Russians,
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Speaker 3: and we hope that they'll say yes.
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Speaker 9: They'll say yes to peace.
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Speaker 3: The balls now in their court.
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Speaker 2: And that's the big catch Russian President Vladimir Putin. You see,
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Speaker 2: he's given absolutely no public sounded at all that he
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Speaker 2: does want peace himself. He has offered no concessions for
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Speaker 2: one and has rejected allowing peacekeepers. In fact, an hour
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Speaker 2: after Rubio made his cease fire deal with Ukraine, Russia
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Speaker 2: unleash more drones on Ukrainian cities.
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Speaker 3: You're run.
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Speaker 2: Now expecting Putin to reciprocate and agree to this cease
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Speaker 2: far is exactly where Trump's brutal treatment of Ukraine could
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Speaker 2: back far. Trump made Ukraine weaker with his attacks and
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Speaker 2: his bands and made it almost friendless with Republican voters
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Speaker 2: in America after painting it as a.
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Speaker 3: Greedy, ungrateful leech of American money. So why.
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Speaker 2: Now conclude that he should ask for everything he can
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Speaker 2: get or even keep fighting for it. So this could
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Speaker 2: go anywhere a ceasefire, a peace, a surrender of Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: or a confrontation between Trump and Putin.
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Speaker 3: Who knows. I mean, Trump has.
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Speaker 2: Now ended his ban on US military for Ukraine, but
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Speaker 2: that's it. He didn't today quite send in the mood
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Speaker 2: for a fight.
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Speaker 10: I think it's a big difference between the last visit
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Speaker 10: you saw at the Oval Office and this soap that's.
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Speaker 3: A total ceasefire.
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Speaker 10: Ukraine has agreed to it, and hopefully Russia will agree
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Speaker 10: to it. We're going to meet with him later on
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Speaker 10: today and tomorrow and hopefully we'll be able to wipe
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Speaker 10: out a deal. But I think the ceasefire is very important.
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Speaker 10: If we can get Russia to do it, that'll be great.
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Speaker 10: If we can't, we just keep going on and people
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Speaker 10: are gonna get killed, lots of people.
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Speaker 1: It's less invited back to the White House.
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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely so, this could yet get ugly. Jeremie is
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Speaker 2: Ukraine's ambassador to Australia Sinenka, Ambassador, thank you for your tom.
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Speaker 2: Is there any real sign that Russia will agree to
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Speaker 2: this cease fire and if it does, on what terms?
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Speaker 11: Hi, Andrew happy to be with you. I cannot speculate.
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Speaker 11: We can only hope, and the outcome out of Jedda
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Speaker 11: is at least has a positive outlook. Ukraine has agreed
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Speaker 11: to an interim storty to day ceasefire, but it will
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Speaker 11: only work if Russia accepts it and if Russia can
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Speaker 11: implement it, and so we will see how they deal
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Speaker 11: with that and what's what their position is going to be.
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Speaker 11: But also America has committed to renew the military support
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Speaker 11: but also renew the sharing of military intelligence. And we
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Speaker 11: also in the meantime, if we can get a cease fire,
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Speaker 11: there is some human erran which would be a drafts
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Speaker 11: such as the exchange for the presidents of war. Also
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Speaker 11: the return of the Ukrainian children which Russia has kidnapped
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Speaker 11: during the past three years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think actually, for a man who supposedly
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Speaker 2: with no cards, your president has played a very good hand.
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Speaker 2: I think this is best the deal is could be
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Speaker 2: expected for Ukraine, and now even better the ONUS goes
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Speaker 2: on Russia. Now let's see whether Russia is series. I
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Speaker 2: don't know that it is. What Russian demands, couldn't Ukraine
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Speaker 2: accept in a deal for a truce or cease fire
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Speaker 2: or even peace.
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Speaker 11: Look, we just have to look at the objectives of Russia,
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Speaker 11: and Russia has not given up on its objective to
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Speaker 11: destroy Ukraine. We haven't actually hurt anything, which would be
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Speaker 11: you know, in any contrast to that, Russia has waged
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Speaker 11: this war for the past eleven years. They came to
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Speaker 11: destroy Ukraine, to came to destroy Ukraine's sovereignty. So for
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Speaker 11: us to achieve peace, and we want peace more than
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Speaker 11: anybody else, we need to have a reliable piece, a
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Speaker 11: piece that would lost and would like to see justice done,
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Speaker 11: and that would require some serious security guarantees, commitment of
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Speaker 11: the US in Europe, because Europe needs its security and
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Speaker 11: it's all anchored around the US commitment to Europe. So
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Speaker 11: at this stage we are working on what is possible
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Speaker 11: and moving forward, so we will see. You know, there
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Speaker 11: is a whole list of the Russian demands, but if
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Speaker 11: you kind of go through that list, you basically need
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Speaker 11: to surrender. I mean, because as they require, and they
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Speaker 11: actually want, the surrender of Ukraine, and that was pretty
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Speaker 11: much soon after they invaded Ukraine. That was part of
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Speaker 11: those negotiations in Turkey. This is what they've demanded. They
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Speaker 11: basically demanded Ukraine surrender and which certainly Ukrainians could not accept.
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Speaker 11: We'll see what their demands are now, because whatever is
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Speaker 11: in the public domain is a lot of their things
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Speaker 11: are not even acceptable for America and not acceptable for Ukraine,
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Speaker 11: certainly not for Europe.
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Speaker 2: I know that Bloomberg has been reporting unidentified officials who
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Speaker 2: say that Russia is holding out for absolute top demands
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Speaker 2: that you couldn't accept, including your retreat from four of
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Speaker 2: the regions that Russia has partially invaded, that you would
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Speaker 2: have to give up even more territory, so that I
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Speaker 2: don't know that it's serious at all. Ambassador Yushinshenko, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much. Indeed, for your time, really appreciated after
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Speaker 2: the break Peter had done today absolutely nailed. Anthony Albanese
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Speaker 2: is real sin as Prime Minister and what we must
20:54
Speaker 2: now do about that. Peter Dutton today did make a
21:02
Speaker 2: good point about Donald Trump's decision to hit us with tariffs.
21:06
Speaker 2: We cannot keep mucking around with work policies that just
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Speaker 2: make us even weaker.
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Speaker 5: This Prime minister has made our country less safe. The
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister says that we live in the most precarious
21:19
Speaker 5: period since the end of the Second World War. He's
21:21
Speaker 5: made economic decision after economic decision which is driven up
21:24
Speaker 5: the cost of groceries. Their energy policy is a disaster
21:28
Speaker 5: and now it turns out that he can't even get
21:30
Speaker 5: a phone call with the President of the United States.
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Speaker 3: This is a bad day for Australia.
21:36
Speaker 2: It's true Labour's global warming policies, the climate policies, energy
21:40
Speaker 2: policies cost us infinitely more than a tariff on our
21:45
Speaker 2: aluminium and steel, far more damage. John means the political
21:48
Speaker 2: panel Camera Milner Form which you've stuffed. Labor leader Bill
21:51
Speaker 2: short and now director of g XOS Strategies, and Michael Costs,
21:55
Speaker 2: a former New South Wales labor Treasurer Michael there is
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Speaker 2: at the lesson here that we cannot rely on the
22:01
Speaker 2: US to protect us. To be friendly to his MATEI
22:05
Speaker 2: we need a much stronger military and a much stronger
22:08
Speaker 2: economy to pay for it. And for one, none of
22:11
Speaker 2: this that zero climate change stuff anymore.
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Speaker 12: I absolutely agree this shows that Australia needs to spend
22:18
Speaker 12: more on defense and also look at the competitiveness of
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Speaker 12: its economy. But we should not also excuse Donald Trump
22:25
Speaker 12: on this one, because Donald Trump's done a lot of
22:29
Speaker 12: good things since he got elected, and I think the
22:31
Speaker 12: anti wogue, the drill Baby, drill dge, all of those
22:34
Speaker 12: things are good things. And you've seen the response with
22:37
Speaker 12: the Trump derangement syndrome. But look, we've got on the
22:39
Speaker 12: other side what I call a Trump Messiah syndrome, where
22:42
Speaker 12: everything that he does is somehow some form of four
22:46
Speaker 12: dimensional chess that's brilliant and it's part of this art
22:49
Speaker 12: of the degal and we're going to end up in
22:50
Speaker 12: a better position. Unfortunately, on economics, I think he's got
22:54
Speaker 12: some nutters advising him that preda Novarro, and even the
22:58
Speaker 12: leader of the Council of Economic Advice is what's his
23:00
Speaker 12: name Hassett. He doesn't even understand how trade policy works.
23:03
Speaker 12: So we are in dangerous territory demandment. We've got an
23:07
Speaker 12: economy that we depend on, which is the US for
23:09
Speaker 12: defense that's running a deficit of about two trillion dollars
23:14
Speaker 12: a year, thirty six trillion in debt, one hundred and
23:18
Speaker 12: twenty four percent of GDP. It's in trouble, and all
23:21
Speaker 12: of his economic policies are going to undermine its economic
23:24
Speaker 12: ability for itself and its own community, but also for
23:27
Speaker 12: the National Defense Alliance. So we've got some real challenges
23:30
Speaker 12: going forward. And what we need is cheap energy and
23:33
Speaker 12: defense self reliance.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so right, I mean Michael made a point.
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Speaker 7: B A.
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Speaker 3: Cameron. You know, I think I think we're tracked.
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Speaker 2: In this weird place where fifty forty five percent of
23:48
Speaker 2: people think that Trump is so evil he does nothing good.
23:52
Speaker 2: Forty five percent think is the Messiah and does nothing bad,
23:56
Speaker 2: and you're evil if you say anything else, and there's
23:59
Speaker 2: only what ten percent left that think is like every
24:02
Speaker 2: human beings, he does some good things and he does
24:04
Speaker 2: some bad things.
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Speaker 13: Oh that's right, but let's not kild the lily here,
24:10
Speaker 13: I mean the stealing out uminium those high paying blue
24:13
Speaker 13: collar jobs are now at risk because Albanese isn't just weak,
24:17
Speaker 13: he's lazy and.
24:18
Speaker 3: Took it all for granted. Took it all for granted.
24:20
Speaker 13: He thought that sending Penny Wong across there to get
24:22
Speaker 13: selfies at the inauguration was going to be enough with the.
24:24
Speaker 3: Secretary of State Marco Rubia, it clearly wasn't.
24:27
Speaker 13: Other world leaders have gone to see Trump when their
24:30
Speaker 13: nations needed them, not Albow, not Albou. Lazy and complacent
24:34
Speaker 13: as well as weak. And now Australian jobs are at
24:37
Speaker 13: risk because he can't pick up the phone from the
24:40
Speaker 13: Prime Minister Australia to the President of the United States.
24:42
Speaker 3: And that's all down to Albow.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, but they didn't get success Andrew. I mean Starmer
24:48
Speaker 12: went over there, so did the Japanese Prime minister. He's
24:50
Speaker 12: in the same position. Let's I'm as critical of Albo
24:53
Speaker 12: as anybody, but I think you've got nutty economics.
24:55
Speaker 2: At least okay, But I mean you can also go
25:01
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump. It's so mercurial, Cameron, you saw what
25:05
Speaker 2: he did to Zelenski. It can go very pear shaped
25:09
Speaker 2: very quickly. And you had justin Trudeau actually going to Marilaga,
25:14
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump was meanwhile tweeting what a joke he
25:17
Speaker 2: was and that the Canada should become the fifty first
25:19
Speaker 2: American state. It's something he's persistent to this day. I mean,
25:23
Speaker 2: there's just no guarantee.
25:24
Speaker 3: And this is the problem.
25:26
Speaker 2: You cannot, you imagine, assume a loyalty and a reciprocity
25:32
Speaker 2: from Donald Trump because it doesn't work that way with him.
25:37
Speaker 13: No, but we can't put aside our relationship with the
25:40
Speaker 13: US ever since World War Two and before that, and
25:42
Speaker 13: important things like Aucust as well. I mean, we do
25:44
Speaker 13: have a relationship with the United States that has to
25:46
Speaker 13: go transcend Donald Trump and go beyond this presidency because
25:50
Speaker 13: they're vital, vital to our security.
25:54
Speaker 2: Michael Albinizi said today is not going to hit American
25:57
Speaker 2: imports with our tariffs punishment.
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Speaker 3: Good call.
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Speaker 12: I think he's got no choice. Andrew, I mean, we're
26:05
Speaker 12: a trading nation. We can't go around slap and tariffs. Strategically,
26:10
Speaker 12: we're too small in the global economy to do that.
26:14
Speaker 12: But you know, there's also raises, you know, and camera's
26:16
Speaker 12: not like this. Some of the stupid policies that we're
26:18
Speaker 12: running here, protectionism, through the you know, Future Made in
26:21
Speaker 12: Australia fund. That's straight our protectionism as well. I mean,
26:25
Speaker 12: you know, our policies are not squeaky clean, you know,
26:28
Speaker 12: and we've got to be prepared to bear the consequences
26:31
Speaker 12: of that. But his decision on Tariff's is the right one.
26:36
Speaker 2: Cameron, you mentioned some of the mistakes you thought that
26:39
Speaker 2: Albanezi had made with this relationship, predominantly not going over there.
26:44
Speaker 2: That's not the only problem we have of getting through
26:46
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's door or getting even to pick up a phone.
26:50
Speaker 2: Was it a mistake keeping Kevin Rudd as ambassador after
26:54
Speaker 2: all the insults he used to make about Trump, like
26:57
Speaker 2: you know, villagitia nuts most destructive president in history.
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Speaker 13: No, unless add Malcolm Turnbule to that in the last
27:06
Speaker 13: forty eight hours as well. But no, Look, I think
27:09
Speaker 13: in the end, if John Howard backed in Kevin Rutt,
27:11
Speaker 13: which he did to remain as an Australian ambassador, I
27:15
Speaker 13: respect John Howard's view on Kevin Rudd. And in the
27:17
Speaker 13: end this is an elbow problem and an Australian government problem,
27:21
Speaker 13: and the fish rots from the head. Andrew this was
27:23
Speaker 13: an elbow problem to resolve, and he didn't even do
27:26
Speaker 13: what Malcolm Turmol managed to do as weakened, as ineffective
27:29
Speaker 13: as he was back at the time where we actually
27:32
Speaker 13: got an exemption the last time Trump was president.
27:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, except that the Trump team concluded that the Exemptuary
27:39
Speaker 2: gave to Australia then backfired on America, and it wasn't
27:44
Speaker 2: going to make that mistake again. So I think the situation,
27:46
Speaker 2: unfortunately has changed for us just quickly while I got time, Michael.
27:52
Speaker 2: The High Court today opened the door to billions of
27:56
Speaker 2: dollars of compensation to average in Australian's bury Green that
28:00
Speaker 2: native title is actually property, not some vague bundle of
28:05
Speaker 2: rights that you could impinge upon lightly, and the comwell
28:09
Speaker 2: should pay up for extinguishing it wherever in this particular
28:12
Speaker 2: case is extinguish it for a box man and armed
28:15
Speaker 2: land in the nineteen sixties, that supposedly broad misery have listened.
28:21
Speaker 2: Justice has been served in this country for my people.
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Speaker 14: It's a judgment that respects the rights of traditional owners
28:29
Speaker 14: throughout the all of Northern Territory, all of whom have liked.
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Speaker 1: The good much.
28:36
Speaker 14: Suffered directly from the acts of government in dispossessing them
28:41
Speaker 14: of their lands. Exploiting those lands for profit and causing
28:47
Speaker 14: great despair and suffering as individuals, families and cultures.
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Speaker 2: Great despair and suffering. Well, this case could lead to
28:56
Speaker 2: that particular plan. The good Much clan getting maybe seven
28:59
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars is being talked about, seven hundred million
29:02
Speaker 2: apart from.
29:03
Speaker 3: All the royalties they've received.
29:05
Speaker 2: But tribes all over the country could also claim conversation
29:07
Speaker 2: far land take over even roads after the past century.
29:11
Speaker 3: Is this fair enough?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think the law probably supports what's occurred. That
29:18
Speaker 12: doesn't mean the law is correct. It certainly means the
29:20
Speaker 12: government needs to have a look at this. What this
29:22
Speaker 12: means in actual effect, there's nobody will invest in Australia
29:25
Speaker 12: wherever there is the potential the smell of a native
29:29
Speaker 12: title claim why would you invest? And means Australia is
29:32
Speaker 12: going to lock up even more resources. It's going to
29:34
Speaker 12: mean that we're even less competitive in a turbulent economic
29:38
Speaker 12: time globally. So you know, it's a disastrous decision from
29:41
Speaker 12: that point of view, and the government needs to look
29:43
Speaker 12: at clarifying the through legislation some of the effects of
29:47
Speaker 12: this decision. I'm also going to say this again refocuses
29:50
Speaker 12: us on cheap energy. You always come back to this
29:53
Speaker 12: if we're actually going to have an alternative to what
29:56
Speaker 12: we're currently doing, which is mining and sending it over,
29:58
Speaker 12: so is we need to have cheap energy so and
30:00
Speaker 12: manufacturer and produce stuff on shore. And this is where
30:02
Speaker 12: the government is failing the community for generations to come.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cameron, this is wearing me to the lack of investment.
30:11
Speaker 2: I mean here we have Aboriginal tribe seeing the way
30:15
Speaker 2: to wealth is through this sort of thing. Instead of
30:19
Speaker 2: actually encouraging the very industries to keep the welfare coming.
30:22
Speaker 2: I think you know, we're really talking killing what actually
30:27
Speaker 2: provides the income they rely on.
30:31
Speaker 13: That's right, Andrew, and days like this, with the High
30:33
Speaker 13: Court decision that come down, I'm reminded Charles Dickens quote,
30:36
Speaker 13: which is sometimes.
30:37
Speaker 3: The law is an ass.
30:39
Speaker 13: Today it was a terrible decision where essentially, if you
30:42
Speaker 13: built someone's home or a hospital or a school for
30:44
Speaker 13: First Nations people, you then have to pay compensation on top.
30:47
Speaker 13: That's surely not what Australians want with their reconciliation. Surely
30:51
Speaker 13: not what we're want with native title, which is a
30:53
Speaker 13: good thing. This is a law case that surely has
30:56
Speaker 13: to be reheard. And as Michael's point, legislation to clarify
31:01
Speaker 13: the rights of taxpayers as well as the rights of
31:03
Speaker 13: First Nations people.
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Speaker 2: I thought there's a bit of earth worship going on there,
31:08
Speaker 2: that a mine is only a thing of unending misery.
31:11
Speaker 2: It also provides jobs for those that want them and income.
31:15
Speaker 2: It's absolutely actually quite useful. Michael Costa, Cameron Milner, thank
31:19
Speaker 2: you very much to you both. Thanks After the break
31:22
Speaker 2: a newspaper sensors Clive Palmer, it still claims to be
31:27
Speaker 2: for free speech. Plus, guess how much the world is
31:30
Speaker 2: spent on global warming in just one decade. Okay, so
31:38
Speaker 2: Donald Trumps shownas we can't keep mucking around like this.
31:41
Speaker 3: It's get strong or get run over.
31:44
Speaker 2: And that means we've got to stop this idiotic crusade
31:46
Speaker 2: to get net zero by twenty fifty. And I want
31:50
Speaker 2: to show you two things from just this past week
31:51
Speaker 2: that underline how zero is a massive useless money pit.
31:57
Speaker 2: Every year Jping Morgan, the financial services Giant, compiles the
32:00
Speaker 2: report and World Energy It later says the world spent
32:04
Speaker 2: nine trillion dollars American it's fourteen trillion Australian globally in
32:11
Speaker 2: just the last decade on wind, sole electric vehicles, energy storage,
32:15
Speaker 2: electronic power, the whole catest free. And all that that's
32:19
Speaker 2: done is increase the share of renewables in our energy
32:22
Speaker 2: use pay under zero point six percent a year. That
32:28
Speaker 2: so that means our energy from non fossil fuels, especially dams,
32:32
Speaker 2: looks like this only just over eighteen percent after all
32:36
Speaker 2: that money, fourteen trillion dollars, and we're going to need
32:39
Speaker 2: even more fossil fuels. That's the other thing I'll show you.
32:43
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's inspiring new energy secretary, Chris Right Genius, this
32:48
Speaker 2: week gave a lecture pointing out the world's richest one
32:52
Speaker 2: billion people like us, need gas and coal and oil
32:56
Speaker 2: for everything from our heating to making cement, to apply
33:00
Speaker 2: I stick or fertilizers and pharmaceuticals, and to be even clothes,
33:05
Speaker 2: and to be this.
33:06
Speaker 3: Rich and this comfortable.
33:09
Speaker 2: We each consume about thirteen one to three thirteen barrels
33:15
Speaker 2: of oil a year, while the seven billion people who
33:19
Speaker 2: aren't as rich as the one billion that's us, on
33:23
Speaker 2: average use just three barrels a year. And they're eventually
33:28
Speaker 2: going to want to be as rich as US and
33:30
Speaker 2: want as much oil as US.
33:33
Speaker 15: Today, we have about one billion people that live a
33:37
Speaker 15: lifestyle remotely recognizable to us. We wear these fancy clothes,
33:41
Speaker 15: we fly to go to conferences, We turn on light
33:44
Speaker 15: switches and get in motorized transport.
33:46
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
33:48
Speaker 15: One billion out of the world eight billion people live
33:52
Speaker 15: like that. Nothing is more important. And I've not met
33:57
Speaker 15: any of people in that seven billion that we don't
34:00
Speaker 15: want what we have to me, it's just blatantly obvious.
34:03
Speaker 15: The world needs more energy, much more energy.
34:09
Speaker 2: Join me, is Ron Dean, chief of the Spectator, Australian
34:12
Speaker 2: hosts of Outsiders every Sunday here at nine am. And
34:15
Speaker 2: also it's got its own show on Fridays at seven pm.
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Speaker 3: I don't know where it gets the time, Ron, Great
34:22
Speaker 3: to see you again here.
34:23
Speaker 2: We are now in Australia thinking we can save the
34:27
Speaker 2: world from global warming by blowing up our coal fired
34:29
Speaker 2: power stations, driving electric cars. When you see how little
34:33
Speaker 2: difference it makes to anything, and how much more coal,
34:36
Speaker 2: gas and.
34:36
Speaker 3: Oil will be needed and used in the time to come.
34:41
Speaker 16: And it's not only that, Andrew, it's Ai, which is
34:44
Speaker 16: the great hope of the side, which is going to
34:46
Speaker 16: add so much to all our life apparently and businesses
34:49
Speaker 16: which requires vast amounts of energy, so we are we
34:54
Speaker 16: have to be one of the stupidest societies in the
34:59
Speaker 16: history of this planet.
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Speaker 9: What we're looking at is a doomsday.
35:03
Speaker 16: Climate's alarmism scare that's been around since the seventies.
35:07
Speaker 9: It was originally global cooling, then it was global.
35:09
Speaker 16: Warming, then when the planet wasn't warming or drying out,
35:12
Speaker 16: it became climate change, so that basically any climate event
35:16
Speaker 16: can be labeled as climate change.
35:19
Speaker 9: The perfect example or metaphor.
35:21
Speaker 16: If you like, was last weekend where we were all
35:23
Speaker 16: wound up to fever pitch to expect some catastrophic climates
35:27
Speaker 16: event in Queensland. I'm sure some people had some awful
35:31
Speaker 16: damage and so on, but nothing that previous generations haven't
35:35
Speaker 16: haven't had to suffer through as well. We are literally
35:38
Speaker 16: destroying our livelihood, our prosperity, our economy, the economy and
35:43
Speaker 16: hopes of our future generations. Our future prosperity we talk
35:48
Speaker 16: about we kick and scream because of so called tariff's
35:52
Speaker 16: being put on steel and aluminium. Andrew the greatest tariff
35:56
Speaker 16: which is put on every single Australian on every single
36:01
Speaker 16: activity that they do, every single second of the day
36:05
Speaker 16: is of course the net zero tariff. It's not called
36:07
Speaker 16: the tariff, but that's.
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Speaker 9: What it is.
36:09
Speaker 16: It's a huge cost, and you've just put your finger
36:11
Speaker 16: on the cost nine trillion dollars that never needed to
36:16
Speaker 16: be spent, that could have been spent making making all
36:21
Speaker 16: of our lives so much better and more importantly, bringing
36:24
Speaker 16: so many more people.
36:24
Speaker 9: Out of quoverty and malnutrition and so on.
36:28
Speaker 16: We've fritted that away on an insane crusade pushed by
36:33
Speaker 16: a Swedish teenage girl with schooling difficulties and the most
36:40
Speaker 16: cowardly group of politicians I think I can imagine in
36:45
Speaker 16: modern history who have sat back and allowed this disgraceful,
36:49
Speaker 16: disgraceful misuse of our resources and our money to take place. Andrew,
36:54
Speaker 16: in my opinion, the whole thing is a massive fraud,
36:57
Speaker 16: and it's high time that we had politicians who stood
36:59
Speaker 16: up like Donald Trump and said that's it no more.
37:04
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean the Chrits right. People should look up
37:07
Speaker 2: his videos online. That man really is he nails it Rowan.
37:14
Speaker 2: It is a rule. Anyone who starts a sentence with
37:18
Speaker 2: these words. I believe in free speech and then puts comma,
37:23
Speaker 2: I know the way they're going to end that sentence
37:26
Speaker 2: is to say they don't actually believe in a free
37:28
Speaker 2: speech at all. The billionaire Clive Palmer, he's running lots
37:31
Speaker 2: of newspaper ads for his new political party. They're coming
37:33
Speaker 2: out now like this one. There are only two genders now.
37:38
Speaker 2: One of the papers that ran that is the Newcastle
37:42
Speaker 2: Herald and the boss of that company, Tony Kendall.
37:44
Speaker 3: Hello.
37:45
Speaker 2: Tony said he's now removed that ad from electronic conditions
37:50
Speaker 2: of the paper and band running it again, and it
37:52
Speaker 2: said we support freedom of speech and a diversity of views. Comma,
37:58
Speaker 2: but on this occasion we let our readers staff down.
38:00
Speaker 2: I believe in free speech, but I don't in fact, Rowan,
38:03
Speaker 2: what do you make of this?
38:05
Speaker 16: Well, you're right as soon as they say, I believe
38:07
Speaker 16: in free speech. But the only free speech that is
38:10
Speaker 16: worth fighting for is the free speech that makes you uncomfortable.
38:14
Speaker 16: The only free speech that has any intellectual value, any merit,
38:18
Speaker 16: any political value. The only free speech that advances science,
38:23
Speaker 16: The only free speech that advances society, economics, politics, businesses, whatever,
38:28
Speaker 16: is the free speech that challenges what you already believe
38:32
Speaker 16: and forces you to rethink your assumptions and either support
38:36
Speaker 16: them with new facts and new information against the challenge,
38:40
Speaker 16: or to change your way of thinking.
38:42
Speaker 9: That's what free speech is all about.
38:43
Speaker 16: So yes, if you said I believe in free speech,
38:45
Speaker 16: but you've already completely dismissed the whole concept free speech.
38:49
Speaker 16: But where this is doubly insane Andrew It's not only
38:52
Speaker 16: is this bloke not understand how free speech works. There
38:54
Speaker 16: are only two genders. Wake up, guys and girls. There
38:58
Speaker 16: are only two. You can believe, whateveryone else you want.
39:03
Speaker 16: You can proclaim whatever else you want.
39:05
Speaker 9: That's free speech. But that free speech doesn't stand up
39:09
Speaker 9: to challenge.
39:09
Speaker 16: Because no one has yet shown that there are more
39:12
Speaker 16: than two genders. So for the time being, not only
39:15
Speaker 16: is this bloke stopping reality, he's denying reality at the
39:21
Speaker 16: same time is not understanding free speech.
39:23
Speaker 9: It's insane.
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Speaker 2: Is this where I actually apologize to people for letting
39:28
Speaker 2: you say that?
39:30
Speaker 3: Rowan? I'm not sure.
39:31
Speaker 9: Deleted you can apologize all you like.
39:35
Speaker 16: I'm waiting for someone to step forward and tell me
39:37
Speaker 16: what that third gender is or fourth or fifty second or.
39:41
Speaker 3: I know, I know, Rowan.
39:43
Speaker 2: You put that argument at the top in particular brilliantly.
39:46
Speaker 2: Thank you so much indeed for your time. Before I
39:50
Speaker 2: go to the break, I've got to show you this.
39:52
Speaker 2: You may be pleased to know that the United Nations
39:55
Speaker 2: Women Rights Commission, looking after the rights of women everywhere,
39:59
Speaker 2: progressing the core, has been meeting this week and I
40:02
Speaker 2: want to show you, and this is not a joke.
40:05
Speaker 2: The chair of this Women's Rights Commission, this UN Women's
40:10
Speaker 2: Rights Commission, his name is Abdul Azi bin Mohammad al
40:15
Speaker 2: Walsil from Saudi Arabia, one of the most impressive regimes.
40:19
Speaker 3: For women, probably in the world. I mean the UN seriously,
40:25
Speaker 3: what a joke that's become.
40:26
Speaker 2: After the break, how idiotic and out of control is
40:29
Speaker 2: Australia's worst government. I'm going to show you what its
40:33
Speaker 2: premier said today about US bail laws as children run
40:37
Speaker 2: a mark. Australia's worst state government has finally acted on
40:44
Speaker 2: the explosion of youth chrime and scott by changing the
40:48
Speaker 2: bail laws, the crazy laws that saw one ting a
40:51
Speaker 2: teenager actually let out on bail more than fifty times.
40:56
Speaker 2: I want to show you how unbelievably stupid where in
41:00
Speaker 2: labor governments, but plain New Victoria's premier. Today she apologized
41:06
Speaker 2: to the state for the bow laws being so bad.
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Speaker 3: She said, it was common sense now to.
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Speaker 2: Change the bail laws so that the most important thing
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Speaker 2: that magistrates consider is what you and I would have
41:17
Speaker 2: assumed wrongly, they always had to consider.
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Speaker 17: Putting community safety front and center of bail decision considerations,
41:28
Speaker 17: changing the focus from remand as a last resort to
41:32
Speaker 17: putting community safety as the first principle.
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Speaker 3: Who would have ever thought community safety first? Common sense?
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Speaker 3: She said?
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Speaker 2: So why haven't they done it for the last eleven
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Speaker 2: years that they've been in government? Joining me are two
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Speaker 2: communications consultants, Jim and Tonnini, a skyniw's regular, and Christy Matsweeney,
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Speaker 2: who has worked for coalition prime ministers and premiers Gemma.
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Speaker 2: How did we get to the position where making judges
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Speaker 2: consider public safety first when considering bail for accused offenders
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Speaker 2: is considered a reform new a big change.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's a great question, Andrew. I guess it represents
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Speaker 18: what we know, which is there is always a tipping point.
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Speaker 18: There's always a tipping point, and for a very long time,
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Speaker 18: you know, the bleeding hearts. Let me rephrase that for
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Speaker 18: a very long time. The balance got out of whack.
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Speaker 18: Nobody wants to see kids institutionalized or people institutionalized, incarcerated
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Speaker 18: and their lives unable to break that cycle. That's a
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Speaker 18: valid and a worthy thing to keep in front of mind. However,
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Speaker 18: where it got out of whack is that in its pursuit,
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Speaker 18: in the pursuit to try and achieve that community safety
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Speaker 18: just got tossed onto the side of the road, and
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Speaker 18: we've got the results that we've now seen in Victoria
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Speaker 18: where people don't feel safe. People don't feel safe, and
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Speaker 18: objectively they're not safe. And the most offensive thing about
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Speaker 18: this is just cinter Allen is as announcing it and
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Speaker 18: acting as if she's split the atom, like it's just
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Speaker 18: extraordinary community. So, I mean, the thing about it is
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Speaker 18: this Andrew being in our community. It's a privilege. It's
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Speaker 18: a privilege to be in our community. We live in
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Speaker 18: the best country of the world. You go out, you
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Speaker 18: commit these crimes repeatedly, there has to be consequences, because
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Speaker 18: when there are not consequences, we end up with exactly
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Speaker 18: the situation where it now.
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Speaker 3: It's true, Christy, I mean, it's amazing.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I heard Jacinta Allen that premiere there say
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Speaker 2: three times at least, and I really wasn't even paying
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Speaker 2: attention this change to think of community safety first.
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Speaker 3: It's just common sense, which makes you wonder what kind.
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Speaker 2: Of sense for these guys operating in the eleven years
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Speaker 2: they've had before this point.
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Speaker 19: Well, the kind of sense they're operating in Andrew, particularly
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Speaker 19: over recent years, is to keep the green woolf from
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Speaker 19: the door in the northwest suburbs of Melbourne, in seats
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Speaker 19: where progressive policies that don't resonate with keeping law and
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Speaker 19: order in check for a government don't work to secure
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Speaker 19: green voters and to secure the grain balance of power
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Speaker 19: in the Upper House for the government. But they've had
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Speaker 19: to toss that aside because of significant community pressure. And
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Speaker 19: it's a police resourcing issue as well, not just the
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Speaker 19: incredibly laxed bail laws. Molven police station, huge area, huge community.
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Speaker 19: There's a sign on the door saying we're closed, closes
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Speaker 19: at six pm. Go elsewhere. Brighton, where there's been an
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Speaker 19: absolute space of youth crime attacks. That reception counter closes
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Speaker 19: at eleven pm. In fact, the only police station open
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Speaker 19: in that area is Sint Kilda, which the police are
44:48
Speaker 19: run off their feet twenty four hours a day, and
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Speaker 19: the crime is increasing there too, particularly for retailers out
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Speaker 19: on the streets who have to face criminal attacks on
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Speaker 19: a daily basis in shopping centers. And that's different to
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Speaker 19: people carjacking and breaking into your house. They've actually only
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Speaker 19: re established a law that they scrapped eighteen months ago.
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Speaker 19: Eighteen months ago, the Victorian government took away the ability
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Speaker 19: to call it an offense to when when a person
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Speaker 19: is out on bail and they go and commit another offense.
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Speaker 19: They were not automatically locked up for that. They took
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Speaker 19: that away eighteen months ago, and this package of laws
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Speaker 19: puts that back. They've reaped what they saw.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now we've got a pressure. We've got to applaud them.
45:39
Speaker 3: We've got to applaud them for bringing back they scrapped.
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Speaker 3: What nonsense.
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Speaker 19: Thank you for community safety a priority government.
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Speaker 2: Jimmy, Look, it's weird you with stories like this around
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Speaker 2: and really terrible stories that war in Ukraine, Messicas in Syria,
45:57
Speaker 2: awful stuff.
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Speaker 3: They've really got so many trains angry.
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Speaker 2: And me too, was an American influencer here having herself
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Speaker 2: film stealing a young wombat Joey from its mother looked.
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Speaker 20: Just caught a baby wombat. Look at the mother.
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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's an after.
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Speaker 16: I can't.
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Speaker 10: I know.
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Speaker 2: She gave the one bat back to its mother, but
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Speaker 2: the reaction she got was so fierce from Australians she
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Speaker 2: had to set her account to private, which is of
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Speaker 2: course death through an influencer.
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Speaker 3: What is a moral here?
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Speaker 1: It was a lot of it.
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Speaker 18: There's a lot of interesting research Andrew that talks about
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Speaker 18: the sociopathy of people who are deliberately cool to animals.
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Speaker 18: I'll just leave that for our viewers to consider.
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Speaker 16: But she should be.
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Speaker 18: Deported like it's so incomplete and you know that's an
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Speaker 18: extreme view perhaps, but actually don't think it's extreme at all.
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Speaker 18: It is just so utterly offensive. Who goes and takes
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Speaker 18: a baby from its mother, whether it's an animal, whether
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Speaker 18: it's a human. And who's the numb nut, Andrew, who
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Speaker 18: is the absolute numb knuckle in the car laughing like
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Speaker 18: an absolute half with I mean, who's that? That's an
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Speaker 18: Australian accent.
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Speaker 9: Chuck him in jail.
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Speaker 18: Surely there's some sort of animal cruelty legislation that they
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Speaker 18: have violated. Honestly, I can't use the language I again
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Speaker 18: from the network forever.
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Speaker 3: No, but you put your finger in a few things.
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Speaker 3: What did you make of that? Christie?
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Speaker 19: I want to make the point that the woman who's
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Speaker 19: captured this baby wombat and undertaken this act, which is
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Speaker 19: really distressing to Australians and to animal lovers, is a biologist. Now,
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Speaker 19: if that is an example of a generation of someone
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Speaker 19: who is educated in natural sciences, but there is no
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Speaker 19: hope for us and for a young generation obsessed with
47:59
Speaker 19: social media Andrew that is, It's no excuse no matter
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Speaker 19: what your professional education is, but to come from someone
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Speaker 19: who's an actual natural scientist is absolutely disgraceful.
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Speaker 9: Here here, and they.
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Speaker 2: Actually posted it online. I guess one thing it shows
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Speaker 2: is that how the Internet and wanted to be an
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Speaker 2: influencer rewards encourages you to do barbaric things just for
48:25
Speaker 2: the clicks.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, drimatizing.
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Speaker 18: Does it just expose what's already there for these people,
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Speaker 18: Like honestly, I don't think there's anything not amount of
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Speaker 18: clicks in the world actually make me steal a baby animal.
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Speaker 18: These people are nuts.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, ladies.
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Speaker 2: I've got to go and that's it for me now.
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Speaker 2: Sherry markson good Night,