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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, March 3 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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  Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. This is Wednesday, March third.
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  Speaker 1: My name's J. P. Shadrick, along with senior writer John
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  Speaker 1: Osan for Jaguars dot Com, NFL media analyst Bucky Brooks
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  Speaker 1: joining us as well, and we have plenty to get
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  Speaker 1: to as we always do on Wednesdays, including a Trevor
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence shoulder update. The comeback Player of the Year is
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  Speaker 1: about to get whacked by his team? What does that
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  Speaker 1: mean for the future? And J J. Watt got a
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  Speaker 1: big bag of money to go to the Deserts and
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks Prospect Position Group Top five rankings. This week
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into cornerbacks. Remember to subscribe to the Official
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Podcast Network. It's on Apple, iTunes or Spotify or
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  Speaker 1: wherever else you can get podcasts. I know there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of play is to get podcasts. Those are the
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  Speaker 1: two that I'm familiar with. Give us five stars and
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  Speaker 1: plenty of comments. Bucky, I know where you can. You
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  Speaker 1: know exactly where to get all these podcasts, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many different ones, Stitcher and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I'd tend to just go to Apple, Apple, Apple Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of get right on the phone. I can
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  Speaker 1: get it right there. It's just pretty easy, John, and
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  Speaker 1: keep it easy. John likes likes easy. John, you're into that.
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  Speaker 1: I like easy. I could not tell I mean, I'll
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you, I could not tell you how
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  Speaker 1: to go find a podcast because we subscribed to but
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  Speaker 1: I don't have on my phone. I don't have it
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  Speaker 1: set up for subscriptions or oh my god, I I
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  Speaker 1: can go to myself and find a book. How about that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys know what a book is? You grab
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  Speaker 1: it off the shelf, you open it, pages in it. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I get off my lawn. Bucky, the yeh who wants
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  Speaker 1: to throw it all over the yard is stuck back
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  Speaker 1: in days when it comes to podcasts, three yards of
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  Speaker 1: the cloud of dust. When it comes to reading and podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: he's the woody hay. He all over the yard and read.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Alright, so we've got planned to get
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  Speaker 1: to today. We'll get to all that we mentioned coming up.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, John, you're on Twitter. The kids are
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter as well, so you know a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about social media, but I found something interesting. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was On Tuesday, Maurice Jones Drew posted the Max
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  Speaker 1: Preps for the top twenty running backs over the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty years in high school, and a few Jaguars connections
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  Speaker 1: really kind of caught my eye. I know, it's high school,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of guys that in the NFL are
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  Speaker 1: really good in high school. Bucky, you know that. But
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  Speaker 1: a handful of these guys had connections here. Derrick Henry,
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  Speaker 1: and he's from right up the road here in Julie,
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  Speaker 1: was number one on the list, the all time leading
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  Speaker 1: rusher in high school from Julie High School, and we're
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  Speaker 1: connected to him because of plenty of stiff arms in
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  Speaker 1: the past. Leonard for that was number four on the
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  Speaker 1: list all time in the last twenty years. Top twenty
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  Speaker 1: running backs in high school. Kelvin Taylor, Fred's son seven
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  Speaker 1: on the list out of Glades Day down South. Maurice
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  Speaker 1: Jones Drew, we all know and love Mojo. He was
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  Speaker 1: thirteenth on the list out of Day La Cell High
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  Speaker 1: School in California. And Yes, current Jaguars running back James
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  Speaker 1: Robinson made the list at number twenty out of Lutheran
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  Speaker 1: High School in Illinois, and I found that pretty interesting, Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: that he's one of the top twenty running backs in
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  Speaker 1: high school the last twenty years. How about that? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's a testament to him, Um that he says an
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  Speaker 1: accomplished high school player. You wonder why didn't he land
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  Speaker 1: at maybe a bigger spot? What was the deal behind it?
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  Speaker 1: But JP, I've had this conversation with scouts and Jenner
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  Speaker 1: managers and personnel directors before about scouring the high school
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  Speaker 1: recruiting lists and checking the four and five stars and
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  Speaker 1: just trying to see where those guys have gone. Because
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  Speaker 1: I would say of this most recruiting analysts, they don't
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  Speaker 1: get it wrong when it comes to those guys. Like
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  Speaker 1: those guys that were viewed as four and five stars,
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  Speaker 1: particularly five stars in high school, they had a level
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  Speaker 1: of talent that you should investigate. And there are some
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  Speaker 1: teams that will consult those lists and they will kind
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  Speaker 1: of take a flyer on some of those guys that
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  Speaker 1: somehow find their way off the list for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: Something happens in college and they may bring those guys
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  Speaker 1: in as undrafted free agents. I'm not saying that that
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  Speaker 1: happened in Robinson's case, but I think it's very interesting
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  Speaker 1: that he is recognized as one of the top twenty
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  Speaker 1: running backs all time on Max Prepp and Low and
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  Speaker 1: Behold he plays like that when he comes to Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right, even some years removed from that, John,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't really for a lot of guys don't go away,
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  Speaker 1: especially for a guy like James Robinson. Which shows you
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  Speaker 1: to uh, the difference in in in longevity at this
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  Speaker 1: position in quarterback or the last twenty years. Brady was
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  Speaker 1: just getting into league twenty years ago, Drew Brees and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean it just again, that position is
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  Speaker 1: so cruel to the player in terms of you were
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  Speaker 1: in out of the league fast. Mojo seems like he
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  Speaker 1: played in the league forever ago and he still on
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  Speaker 1: this twenty years list. So it is a tough position
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  Speaker 1: to have any sort of longevity, and they drop off fast.
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  Speaker 1: I actually covered Mike Hart for a cup of coffee
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  Speaker 1: with the Colts. He was a great running back. He's
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  Speaker 1: number eight on this list. He was a great running
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  Speaker 1: back for Michigan and got a ton of carries. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Shady McCoy's on this list. It also shows you at
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  Speaker 1: this position. You would think running back recruiting would translate
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  Speaker 1: pretty closely to the NFL because it's such a suitable skill,
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  Speaker 1: meaning make guys miss run for a lot of yards,
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't necessarily. I mean, there are some names
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  Speaker 1: on this list who a lot of people would have
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  Speaker 1: really never heard of, particularly based on their NFL career.
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  Speaker 1: So it just shows you its being a five star
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  Speaker 1: being a big time recruit, A lot can change in
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  Speaker 1: four five year perfect example of that is Jonathan Gray.
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  Speaker 1: He was third on the list out of Alito High
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  Speaker 1: School and Texas, went to the University of Texas, but
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  Speaker 1: then he didn't really do much after that. Bucky. No,
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  Speaker 1: It's funny how they goes, and sometimes we don't know
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  Speaker 1: if injuries or whatever played a role in UH prospects
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  Speaker 1: failure inability to kind of make it and carve out
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  Speaker 1: a big career at the NFL level. But I do
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  Speaker 1: believe it's a nice jumping point, jump off point in
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  Speaker 1: terms of being able to track these guys. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we all are still kind of close and fun to
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  Speaker 1: the college game. I love when these lists come out
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  Speaker 1: and I love seeing I mean, JP is it's unfair
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  Speaker 1: for you because, like Alabama Golf was up all the
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  Speaker 1: five stars. I mean the entire Rosses all five stars.
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  Speaker 1: But like for a little me and North Carolina, when
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  Speaker 1: we get a five star, we we celebrate those guys.
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  Speaker 1: We go crazy about them. So I love looking at
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  Speaker 1: these lists and I think, I think it's fun. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's all fun and fascinating. And I think as
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  Speaker 1: we tracked them from high school, as they continue to
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  Speaker 1: go on into college, and then talking about them in
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  Speaker 1: the pros. If I watch the last two five stars
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  Speaker 1: at North Carolina, Lucky Brooks and Lawrence Taylor right like
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  Speaker 1: like like Lawrence Taylor would have been but I'm so
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  Speaker 1: old that they didn't even have a star system. I
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  Speaker 1: was just lucky. I was just trying to be in
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  Speaker 1: the regional paper, like just just in the local paper,
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  Speaker 1: just want to be one of the twenty five. And
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  Speaker 1: the regional list. Um, the star system came later. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's great, though, Like I know, people get mad.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a point of contention right around the draft
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about the number of five stars that
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  Speaker 1: are drafted, and people get mad. These list don't matter.
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  Speaker 1: They do like, it's fine, you have to rank rank things.
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  Speaker 1: I mean if we did list in terms of fruit,
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  Speaker 1: like who's the five star fruit? What are the five
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  Speaker 1: star fruits? And veggies? Like people would be mad at
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  Speaker 1: what we gave five stars to. I mean it's that's
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  Speaker 1: just what it is, Like, that's what's fine. It's fine
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  Speaker 1: for fodder. What dost we doing the off season? What
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  Speaker 1: we have to do? And then the Internet John has
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  Speaker 1: changed the whole thing and recruiting and analysis of these
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  Speaker 1: players that didn't exist twenty five years ago before this
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  Speaker 1: list started. Oh it's unreal, Buck. When were you a
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  Speaker 1: senior in high school? Were you nine? So I missed
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  Speaker 1: you by a little bit. But that's the way I
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  Speaker 1: sort of cut my teeth. I got the floor to
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  Speaker 1: beat because I had done recruiting as a high school sportswriter.
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  Speaker 1: And it's, uh, you know, I could do a complete
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  Speaker 1: show on how much covering recruiting in the in the
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  Speaker 1: recruiting process has changed so much. I covered it ninety
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  Speaker 1: three through about ninety or I'm sorry ninety threw about
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  Speaker 1: there were no five stars. I was one of those guys, Bucky.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be calling the prospect at home on Sunday night
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  Speaker 1: after you got back and that was But now all
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  Speaker 1: that's on Twitter all that you know. I used to
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  Speaker 1: break stories all the time by getting ahold of the
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  Speaker 1: kid I called work done the night he uh committed
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  Speaker 1: to Florida State and Jonathan Ogden the same deal. I
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  Speaker 1: was calling guys in California because Florida was in on him.
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  Speaker 1: But it it has changed dramatically from back then, Buck,
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  Speaker 1: even you would have been on Twitter tweeting out your
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  Speaker 1: own commitment like I missed. I missed out on the
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  Speaker 1: switching hats and and they they had these customized videos
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  Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. Yeah, how much fun would
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  Speaker 1: that have been? Driven people crazy? For you? Terrible for me?
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  Speaker 1: Is a beat? How just driving you crazy? It's been
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  Speaker 1: so much fun, like man customized, I mean even had
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  Speaker 1: JP like narrated over the top, like he follows me
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  Speaker 1: going from a high school and driving all around the
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  Speaker 1: town before we end up end up in chaff Whell.
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  Speaker 1: How much fun with that? Even creating story to really
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  Speaker 1: date myself. Javon kiss to everybody, good plaig time career.
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  Speaker 1: He was from Gosh, I want to say Fort Myers
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  Speaker 1: and I think I'm getting it. I'm getting the town on.
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  Speaker 1: He was in South Florida and I can recall calling
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  Speaker 1: his high school coach. And this was when the coach
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  Speaker 1: back when I covered it, the coach was the main
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  Speaker 1: point recruiting. Yeah, you really don't talked to players that much.
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  Speaker 1: You talk to him some. And Javon here's his coach
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  Speaker 1: telling me, well, I don't have his home number, but
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  Speaker 1: here's his beeper number. Oh yeah, called his beeper number.
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  Speaker 1: And Javan was from a tough area and he called
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  Speaker 1: me back. I think he could some recruit I forget
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  Speaker 1: which one it was, called me back collect from a
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  Speaker 1: pay phone at my at my work desk. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I covered Javon heres when he had a beeper. These uh,
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  Speaker 1: some of these guys had beat this way before cell phones.
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  Speaker 1: It was great recruiting commitment stories among sports writers. I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you that I would hate, I would shudder
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  Speaker 1: to see John Osan's long distance calling bill either a
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  Speaker 1: T and T M C I whatever his company he
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  Speaker 1: used was. Admittedly, that was when you still had long distance.
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  Speaker 1: It was a it was that's been Sunday nights from
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  Speaker 1: about six thirty to about nine thirty calling these recruits
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  Speaker 1: when they got home, and it was a different Chase Goodbread,
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  Speaker 1: who's yea years but succeeded me on the recruiting ba
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  Speaker 1: at the Times Union. And uh, it used to be
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  Speaker 1: a big, big deal for newspapers in the South to
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  Speaker 1: cover cover recruiting. Nights and weekends are cheaper. That's okay
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  Speaker 1: on your long night plan. This is the Huddle Up
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  Speaker 1: podcast than a nice little conversation there about the Max
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  Speaker 1: Preps Top twenty running backs over the last twenty years
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  Speaker 1: in high school. Rice Jones Drew put a link to
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  Speaker 1: it on his social media page. And and number five
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  Speaker 1: by the way, Reggie Bush. Go watch his high school
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  Speaker 1: tape your mine. And another tape that will blow your mind.
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  Speaker 1: This quarterback Trevor Lawrence. You might have heard of him.
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  Speaker 1: He was indeed a five star out of Cartersville, Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: went to Clemson, won a national title. He's coming out
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft this year. And on Instagram yesterday
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  Speaker 1: three photos of some of his rehab work on the
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  Speaker 1: surgically repaired left shoulder labram working with a theory of
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  Speaker 1: physical therapists modus physical therapy. There's a couple pull locations
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  Speaker 1: out near you, Bucky. Apparently in California. A bunch of
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  Speaker 1: NFL guys go there. There's a picture of him pulling
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  Speaker 1: down some weight. I'm not sure what that motion is called.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not in the weight room. Often there's another with
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  Speaker 1: Trevor standing there, the therapist holding his left arm. Another
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  Speaker 1: with him laying down on the table working on the
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  Speaker 1: left shoulder. So this guy has experience with the NFL players.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor's right there, and that's the most watched left shoulder,
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  Speaker 1: non throwing shoulder we've seen around here. I think evert Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we just need to get we just need to get
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  Speaker 1: him right. We want to make sure that he's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure he can put on
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  Speaker 1: his his his suit jacket so he can walk across
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  Speaker 1: the stage when they give him the Jaguars hat and
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  Speaker 1: we can just kind of started like that's That's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried about at this point. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: make sure he can put his suit on and do
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff and get the obligatory hat and so
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  Speaker 1: we can start, we can start the new era. And
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  Speaker 1: so look, this this is part of the process. Him
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  Speaker 1: coming back. Is smart for him to get the surgery
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  Speaker 1: done early. I know it's important for him to get
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  Speaker 1: on the field prior to the training camp. He will
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  Speaker 1: be behind from a physical standpoint, but mentally, I think
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  Speaker 1: you'll be on it. He'll be sharp and they have
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  Speaker 1: it lined up and ready to go. So it's part
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  Speaker 1: of the process. But it's good that he's moving kind
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  Speaker 1: of making progress in his reab. John, what was that
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  Speaker 1: called in the weight room? The workout? He was doing
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  Speaker 1: well in my extensive body of work in the weight room,
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that was. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: The epic here would have been had without any comment
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  Speaker 1: if the photos had shown the trainers just for a
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  Speaker 1: gas working on the other arm and just sent it
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  Speaker 1: out without comments. See if anybody noticed. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: the explosion on the internet. That would have been a
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  Speaker 1: bad one. Yeah, that would have been a bad one.
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  Speaker 1: It's not April first, Thank goodness, is Mark that would
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  Speaker 1: have been. That would have been something so that I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea. I'll occasionally do a push up every
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  Speaker 1: now and then, Bucky, push up? Oh, I mean push
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  Speaker 1: up is good? Okay, all right, let's see what's see
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  Speaker 1: what we got. Bucky hasn't seen it yet, haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: You're looking at it live right now on this podcast. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Trevor was doing some some tricep try step push downs,
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  Speaker 1: make sure we get get the arms right to see
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  Speaker 1: it looks like they're trying to do some active curls.
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  Speaker 1: See where the strength is now. He's laying on the shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Looks like Rehabit just kind of touching in tests and
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  Speaker 1: trying to put him back back in alignment. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: looks like it looks like we're on the way. We're
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  Speaker 1: on the way. Number sixteen, We're good. Do those exercises, JP,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have triceps, so well, okay, well one, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about those muscles in your arms
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  Speaker 1: from you know where? That good to know. That's John Osier,
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. I'm JP Shadrick and this is the Huddle
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  Speaker 1: stars and plenty of comments. Free agency dudes is starting
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: to pick up a bit here, guys, and word on
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday now that free agents currently may travel to a
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: new team for a visit and or a physical. That's new.
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  Speaker 1: Last year obviously with COVID nineteen they weren't able to
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: do that. They must pass a rapid PCR test before
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  Speaker 1: entering any club facility. So that's a good step at
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  Speaker 1: least if you want to, you know, get in touch
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  Speaker 1: or with a current free agent or somebody after free
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  Speaker 1: agency starts that's on the market now, a few guys
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  Speaker 1: that might be on the market could be on their
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  Speaker 1: way to the market. But let's start with a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: and and the Washington Football team, the comeback player of
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  Speaker 1: the Year in the NFL, Alex Smith is reportedly getting
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: lacked at some point. Does the question will be in
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  Speaker 1: the Jags fans are all about backup quarterback this week
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  Speaker 1: and on social media of course. So does he want
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  Speaker 1: to play or is he willing to be a backup?
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  Speaker 1: Is he want to compete? He has a connection with Urban,
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  Speaker 1: He's a great salty vat Bucky. What do you think, man?
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  Speaker 1: This is a perfect fit. This is exactly what the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars needed to happen. Alex Smith is the perfect backup
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  Speaker 1: quarterback for this situation. Knows over my understands the culture
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  Speaker 1: that Urban wants to create in the locker room. Has
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  Speaker 1: a relationship with Trent Balky. They were together in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: So the GM knows that he can trust Alex to
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  Speaker 1: be prepared and ready. And then when you have what
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  Speaker 1: Alex has gone through. Former number one overall pick had
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  Speaker 1: a very rocky road early in his career before becoming
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  Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber player. He has mastered the art
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  Speaker 1: of winning. When you look at his record the last five, six,
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  Speaker 1: seven years as a starter, he gets it. And so
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  Speaker 1: to have a guy like that who has also mentored
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  Speaker 1: the likes of Colin Kaepernick, Patrick Mahomes, what he did
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: with young guys with the Washington football team. To have
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: him as kind of like that that elder statesman in
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the quarterback room with Trevor and whoever else would be
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: in their room, I think it's a no brainer. Now
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: we have to investigate and see if he wants to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: be a starter or if he still just wants to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: be around and involved in the game. But if he
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: is willing to come and just that mentor role I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: think this would be perfect. This would be a slam
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: dunk for the Jacks. Yeah, and that's the question that
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: you can't answer. Only he can answer that. You know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: it's been a topic, so I've discussed it a couple
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: of times. But like I said on another show, the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: thing you have to worry too. I don't think anybody
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: is going to tell Alex Smith, hey, we want you
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to come and be our franchise quarterback. It's not that
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: that's going to happen. But there are certainly situations out
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: there where logically, if you're him, you're thirty six, thirty seven,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: if you think you've got a couple more years in you,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: there are other teams that it's a better possibility that
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: that team might pull their quarterback in event of their
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: not being an injury. In the Jaguars, it's gonna take
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: a lot for whoever they pick, it's gonna be Travor,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: But for wherever they pick, it's gonna take a lot
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: for them to bench a number one overall quarterback at
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: any point. But would he want a situation where there's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: another quarterback who's on a little bit shakier ground A
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: veteran he struggled before there's probably four or five teams
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: out there that would be more logical. Well, if this
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: guy struggles, then this other guy is gonna get a shot.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So I don't think he's gonna be a franchise guy anywhere.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But would he be tempted by some place with a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: dicier situation? Only he can answer that. I mean, I
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: wonder at this stage of his career because I'm not
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Like I watched him come back,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and I was it was great to see him come
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: back from that devastating injury to get back on the field.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: But I held my breath every time he was on
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the field, right like I held my breath in terms
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of watching him as a starter and the fact that
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: he couldn't finish um the playoff run. I just wonder
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: if he can envision himself playing they're talking about maybe
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen games, or if he just will loves the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: game and wants to be around it and maybe he
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: wants to give back. And because of his comments in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: g Q when he talked about the relationship with the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: team and not feeling like he was wanted, well, you
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: know Urban is going to love him up because Urban
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: win and saw him in Washington while he was hurting
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: those things, and so you know Urban can recruit if
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Urban can recruit him and just say, hey, here's the
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: situation right off in the sunset, leave the game of
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: better plays. Do these things show these guys how to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: win and all those things? Would that be a feeling appealing?
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if it would be appealing to his
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: his family because I know his family had to sit
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: there also watching the game through closed fingers making sure
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that he was going to be okay. I think this
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: would be a really good fit for him. I know
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Chicago is in play because of the Matt Naggy situation,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: but I mean how much of Chicago I mean really go, man,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: like he can have an opportunity be here to three
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: years and see Trevor and maybe step in in some
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: spots if there was an injury or any situation like
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that we had to step in and play. If that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: would have I mean, how much more can things line
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: up for this franchise right now that I mean to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: have the number one pick to get Urban, to get
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: everything that's sort of fallen right yeah, also get the backup, which,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: as you said, Meyer and Balky met through Alex Smith.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it almost seems like it's such a logical
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: thing that it won't happen, but come on like like
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like here's here's what's happening, Like we gotta take all
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the losing, whatever happened the last decade, Like we put
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: all that out, like we left all that behind, We
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: left all that the one in fifteen, the one I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: feel like a game like five years and got a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: really old dam get really the life buck. So but
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: now is lining up the football guys are shining on
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: us like this is a perfect it's a perfect time,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Like we go from works to first. This is what
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it's like a naive little Bucky we can do it,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Like no, I do believe, like you're right though it
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: does appear like things are lining up. That would be
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a nice thing for the lineup. I do wonder and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: we'll see because this has been floated out. What is
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the future for Garner minshow in terms of not only
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: with this franchise, but is he a trade chip? Because
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: there's some people out there they really like him and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: kind of view him as a player that has potential.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: They look at the numbers and they're like, hey, man,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this guy could be a bottom of the bottom of
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the league starter, you know, a bottom third starter. He's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: had some success in league and those things. I do
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: wonder if he is a trade chip as we get
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: closer to the draft in terms of trying to upgrade
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the rest of the team and maybe even the quarterback position.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: He is putting out some workout videos of his own
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: on Instagram videos these days as well. This is the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast J P. Shadrick John to oes you
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: can't believe it. Bucky Brooks is along with us as well.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And one other free agency note and a big one.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: J J. Watt to the Arizona Cardinals two years, thirty
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: one million bucks, twenty three million guaranteed. DeAndre Hopkins was
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: out there and Bucky. He's got one of the coaches
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: from his past out there too, right, Yeah, Advanced Joseph
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator Um was a dB coach with the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Texans win. J. J. Watt won his first Defensive Player
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of the Year war so there's some familiarity between those two. Also,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: he understands how to put him in a scheme that works.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think the thing that is surprising is the number
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that you talked about the money, Uh, thirty one million dollars.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: He's thirty one, thirty two years old. You wonder how
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: much does he have even though he had a solid season,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: didn't put up the sack production that he wanted, but
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: he played over leven hundred snaps. Um did a really
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: good job creating pressures in those things. Now he is
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: out west, and I think when you look at it
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: from the Jaguar standpoint, you just see how these teams
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: are building. It is now apparent more than ever you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: have to have multiple pass rushers. You have to have
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: an inside guy and elside gout, maybe two else I guys,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: but you have to be able to get after the pass.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And as we think about the Jaguars in the draft,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the pass rush um, it's something where you feel like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you feel good about with Josh Allen, maybe Caleb and Chason,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: maybe go and get another guy. But if we're unable
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to stop the run, we don't get the opportunity to
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: rush the passer. And so I just see when you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: see how teams are loading up, the defensive line has
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to be a major priority when it comes to free
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: agency and the draft gotta upgrade it. Yeah, the only
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: thing I wonder about j J is, you know, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's three of the four years before this
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: past season major injuries that took him down for a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: standard period of time. So you're guaranteeing twenty three million.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: It's ously not my money. I don't care what the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Cardinals do with theirs. But that would have been my concern,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: is you know, you're giving this contract to somebody who's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: had trouble staying healthy. That would have been my cause
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: for pause if I was in that situation. If the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Jaguars are going after that had been my concern. But
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: obviously you're right back. They know how to use them.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: You have to have multiple pass rushers at some point.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: You do wonder in free agency if the Jaguars will
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: look to add a veteran presence on the edge in
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: addition to the two kids they've got, give themselves some security.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I think that'll be interesting. In two weeks, the Huddle
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Up Podcast rolls along. J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osier.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Social media questions coming up. We put the bat signal
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: out earlier Tuesday, and we've come up with a pretty
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: good list. We'll get to those in just a moment.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Let's move along though, too. Bucky's top five draft prospects
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: by position. Each week on the Huddle Up Podcast, we
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: recycle his story from NFL dot Com and we go
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: through one position group and John. This week we are
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: going cornerbacks. We know the Jaguars have c. J. Henderson,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Trey Herndon's still around, d J. Hayden's scheduled to be
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a free agent. There's a lot of other guys that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: had some time that are young. The there's it seems
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: like there's going to be a lot of change at
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the cornerback position. John, considering what happened last year with
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: all these different lineups in the secondary. Well, I'll defer
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to Bucky because he again know his format, the format
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: byt the overall league. In these prospects, I look at
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it and think, you really don't know what c. J.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Henderson is yet either. That's a big question hanging out there,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: potential to be great. I mean, top ten pick. I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: keep saying you better be great. I mean that's a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that's almost the equivalent of drafting a quarterback number one.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: When you draft a cornerback in the top ten, you
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: expect lockdown. Patrick Peterson that's only four spots later than
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Jale Ramsey, who you consider the best cornerback in the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: NFL right now. So that needs to be a great
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: inn as spot. Yeah, that hasn't been proven after the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: rookie year. It's not surprising and hard they ever does.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I look at this and wonder will they get to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the point in the draft of needing to draft a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: guy or do they go after big time corner and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: free agency. It's a but he comes free. I think
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you need experience back there. You need a a a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: stud corner on the other side to compliment Henderson. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: almost think you could see draft and free agent at
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: this position. Ain't they need dethcraded pretty significantly? Double down Bucky?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think, uh, I believe they have to invest another
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: high pick in the position. I think when you look
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: at C. J. Henderson and you think about this team
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: being young and growing together. Because I anticipate this team
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: being a quarters team where they play a lot of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: man coverage on the outside. You need young, fresh legs
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: um to be able to get that done. And when
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I look at this draft class and I think of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: all the guys that are available, a lot of legacy
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of sons of former players, Patrick Surtan, J. C.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Horne who was the son of Joe Horn I, Sante
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Samuel Jr. Like his name sake, Elijah Molden who's the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: son Alex Molden. There are a lot of young dynamic
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: players who understand it because it's in the bloodline. So
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you'd like to think they understand the family business. As
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I think about what Jacksonville wants to do, you would
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: like to acquire some of those guys who kind of
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: understand it and they can hit the ground running from
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: day one. If you can put a young tandem out there, Man,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can get better than that for
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the jack To your point, Bucky, that feels to me
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: more okay. At the corner position, there may be another position,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: meaning having two young kids out there a little easier
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to learn and play at a high level with that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: spot than others. Am I reading that right? Yeah? I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: mean I think I think it can be. And I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: think also given the collegian nature of maybe this coaching
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: staff and what Urban and his staff are are used
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to doing when it comes to developing players, it may
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: be easy to have young guys out there teaching them
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the ropes and doing those things. Now, there'll be some
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: struggles and it may be ugly at times, like we
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: saw a little bit this year with c. J. Henderson,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But if they can grow together, man, you just talk
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: about having young guys that can you know, as they
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: continue to build this nucleus out two three years, how
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: good can they be? And the spot I'm looking at
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is at three a corner at one of those positions,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to me, seems like a sensible choice someone that you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: compare with c. J. Henderson. To let those two guys
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: compete and grow together. On the perimeter, you can get
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: starting level guy there at three A corner, you can.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're telling me that you're going to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: get a pass rusher there, or or a left tackle
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: or a quarterback, I'd be a little more skeptical. But corner,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: especially if it's your two corner. If you're assuming that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: c J's one top ten at one spot, top twenty
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: five at the other, that's still a lot of equity
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: at the corner position. You know, I think it's important
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: when we think about building up this defense and we
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: can we can look at what all the equity that
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: was poured into it prior, but it kind of starts
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: over with Balky and Urban starting now. The way that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you build your your defense, it has to be pass rushers, cornerbacks,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: second level defenders, and you need someone in the middle
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: of field, a safety that can be able to do it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I look at the second level of defenders, they appeared
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to be in good shape with Joe Sherbet and Miles Jack.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: The pass rushers are still in work in progress. We
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: feel good about Josh Allen. We're hoping that Caliban Chasing
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: can be a guy that can emerge. C. J. Henderson
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: is still kind of an unknown commodity. But say you
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: get too young, another young corner to go there and c. J.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Henderson plays up to draft expectations. Well, now you have
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a young nucleus that you can build around, and as
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you're adding weapons to the offense and hopefully you're able
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to score points. It is all about being able to
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: slow these offenses down. Because we understand what tennessee is
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they want to play physical, they want to do those things.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill is gonna a J. Browns on the perimeter.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: The Coats look like they are building um a bully
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: there in terms of the ability to run the ball,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: play good defense, and so you're going to have to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: be able to win the arms race defensively, being able
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to keep the score down, and then offensively have enough
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: weapons where you can score points with a young quarterback
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: who's still trying to make his way in the league.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: All right, let's hit officially the top five corners for
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks in the draft this year. Patrick searchin Alabama,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Caleb Farley Virginia, Attack, J. C. Horn of South Carolina,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Sante Samuel Junior from Florida State, and Elijah Molden from Washington.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Check out the full article on NFL dot com. We'll
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: recycle it again with another group next week, Yes we will.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I think Sunday your dogs a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: certain fan. I could tell by the bark in the back. Yeah, yes,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that was almost a roll Tide bark Roald tide you think,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: not not a go Heels park like, I don't know.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a UNC player on the list. I don't know. No,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe I think I think she is a Sartin fan
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: because I am a big Patrick Ceartan, a second fan
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: much like his dad. He he plays the game the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: right way like he he gets and he gets it
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: in a in a major way. And I think what's
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: funny is because there's going to be some debate between
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Farley and certain. Part of that is dude to certain
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: playing this year and people being able to see some
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of the plays, like maybe gave up a handful of
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: plays and Farley kind of being out of sight, out
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of mind. But in my estimation, Passer Tan the second
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: is the deal. He is legit. I have a question
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for the Scout. I'm intrigued by this. Why so many
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: second generation guys on that list? And maybe it's a fluke,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: but four out of five doesn't feel like a flute
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to me. Is that a case uh, of the dad's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: working with these kids when they're young and they just
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: know how to play this because it's a technique position.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: You have to have the athleticism, but you also have
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to know how to play it. Is that a case
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: that these guys just from the time they were eight
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: years old the family business and the right way. Yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's the family business. There. There are a
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: couple of things that are at playing when you see
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: those guys at corner, their dad's very early identified. The
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: fact that everybody when you go to these things, John
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: A v Channel back to your recruiting days. You see
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: right now, the fascination is on touching the wall. So
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: normally the top one, two, and three athletes at the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: high school they go and play offense, and so athlete
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: four or five and six they're the ones that are
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: kind of left to play defense. These guys understand that
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: a skilled player on the perimeter on defense, they have
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a chance to be top picks, make a lot of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: money and do those things. And so I firmly believe,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: particularly with Joe Horn being a wide receiver even though
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: he played a little defensive back when I was we
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: were together Kansas City. Yeah, yeah, I do believe that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: they understand the value of corners and because their kids
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: are well schooled in it, that's why they have a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: chance to go at the top of the board. So
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you're saying, when the coach tried to move these kids
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to wide receiver, the dad said, okay, they can play
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: some wide out there. The money, Yeah, the money, the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: money to be made at at cornerback. Because it's so
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: hard to find premier athletes and guys that understand the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: position where they do in college, they take these high
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: school wide receivers and they get them on campus, they
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: give them the jersey, and then the second year they
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: flip them over. We saw that with Old Alabama's Trayvon Dix,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: who came in as a wide receiver and then they
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: moved to defensive back. Well, that's commonplace in college where
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: these guys came in as dbs. They've been playing dB
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: since they were high school. They understood the position, and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: because their dads were also pretty good at what they did,
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  Speaker 1: they get it. This is the Huddle Up Podcast. That's
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osher, I'm J P. Shadrick And as
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  Speaker 1: we promised social media questions, thank you for all the submissions.
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  Speaker 1: On Tuesday, We're gonna pick a few of the best.
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  Speaker 1: We'll leave the others out to try until next week.
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  Speaker 1: But try again, please. We're here every Wednesday. We'll ask
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  Speaker 1: you the questions each Tuesday. This is from at D
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  Speaker 1: m ozone. And I don't know this is John's burner
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  Speaker 1: or one, but what style of offense will the Jags
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  Speaker 1: run this year? And should we expect a running quarterback?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think whichever Lawrence can run? I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they want to put him in harm's way too much.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're used as athleticism. So I would think
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  Speaker 1: this offense is going to be a blend. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit of the things that we've seen
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  Speaker 1: in college, because that's what Trevor Lawrence is very comfortable at.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think you'll see a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: an old school element to it. Some under center runs,
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  Speaker 1: some shotgun running game. I think you see James Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: and I would expect another running back to come over,
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  Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna run the ball. They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: run the ball of a time. Um. I think the
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  Speaker 1: X factor in the offense to guy that I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to seeing in YouTube, Lavisca Chana, and the reason
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  Speaker 1: why Lavisca Chan to me, has maybe the biggest potential
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  Speaker 1: to be an impact player for this offense. Everywhere Urban
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  Speaker 1: Meyer has been, you're here him talking about the H
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  Speaker 1: back player and the AH player is typically the best athlete,
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  Speaker 1: the most explosive playmaker. And Florida. At Florida, that was
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  Speaker 1: Percy Harvy. At Ohio State, it was Paris Paris Campbell,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and it was also Curtis Samuel. I think Urban envisions
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  Speaker 1: La Visca Chana being that guy. We saw him in
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  Speaker 1: the backfield a little bit last year. I would anticipate
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  Speaker 1: him having a bigger offensive role as a guy who
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  Speaker 1: gets touches and does it in a bunch of differ
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  Speaker 1: and ways, and I think he can pop. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to see the offense when it comes to what
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  Speaker 1: they do with Lavisca. Johnathan was some of that with
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  Speaker 1: him earlier in the season, but it just didn't last
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  Speaker 1: as the season went on. Yeah, there was. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I guess when I think of Percy harv and I
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  Speaker 1: think of just other worldly speed. Uh that doesn't strike
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  Speaker 1: me as Lavisca. Uh so is that different? Can that be?
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  Speaker 1: And he's different? Big time player, But he's not burner guy,
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  Speaker 1: is he? No, he's not burner guy. But when you
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: go back and look at So we heard him his
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  Speaker 1: last year in Colorado, he was injured, so we didn't
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  Speaker 1: see the best of him the year before. He did
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  Speaker 1: everything wildcat quarterback. He can run it. He's a physical
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  Speaker 1: runner inside. That might be the best utilization because he
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  Speaker 1: was more impressive and dynamic with just the ball in
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  Speaker 1: his hands as a runner and doing some of those
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  Speaker 1: things than catching the ball in space. Maybe because of
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Urban's collegiate background, he will demand, hey, we need to
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  Speaker 1: find a way to get him the ball, and and
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  Speaker 1: maybe they utilize all of his traits maybe better than
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  Speaker 1: they were utilized the rookie season, even on injuries also
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  Speaker 1: hindered his ability to be a major contributor. I'll say
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  Speaker 1: this to the first time when I was on the
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  Speaker 1: practice field last year was covid So we were kind
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  Speaker 1: of distance, but he kind of walked by us to
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  Speaker 1: do something. And he's built different now. He is thick
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  Speaker 1: and he is a tough guy to bring down and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that that can play to his advantage as well if
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  Speaker 1: he plays up to that. Yeah, he plays up to that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: You go back and you you pop in his Colorado
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  Speaker 1: tape from his sophomore season. He is doing all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff with the ball in his hands. And I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: just have to have a sense or believes that Urban
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  Speaker 1: will assess what he has offensively and they'll make it
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  Speaker 1: very simple. I want this guy to get the ball
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  Speaker 1: X amount of times. I want the Southern guy to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: get the ball X amount of times. And that's what
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it is, because that's what cousin really and that's what
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  Speaker 1: the good proteins do they find the best players and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: they get the ball to the best players over and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: over and over again, and all those other guys. Oh,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: by the way, you better get it within your role.
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  Speaker 1: But we're going to feed um the best players. All right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get a couple more questions in here before
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  Speaker 1: we wrap up the Huddle Up podcast today. And this
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  Speaker 1: is from at Waco Garena from the most mocked players
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  Speaker 1: at number twenty five, guys like bar Moore, Maring, Tevin Jenkins,
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  Speaker 1: Rondel Moore. Which one do you guys give more value?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: We only put four guys we could put. You know, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I like Moring because I believe safety is essential to
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  Speaker 1: being able to play are good defense. And I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's been a while since Jacks have had an elite
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  Speaker 1: safety in the middle of the field. I mean I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: can't I can't remember. I know they've been guys that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: have been brought through your Jonathan Cyprian, Um, I know
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Tashan Gibson and those play, but you have to have
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  Speaker 1: someone in the middle of field that can play. Moring
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  Speaker 1: would be terrific once again, because we anticipate the Jack
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and a lot of quarters coverage. Split safety that's what
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  Speaker 1: he did at TCU. He's active, he can play man
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  Speaker 1: to man, he can do things in the middle to field.
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  Speaker 1: He would be a great if he's there. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. I do understand wanting bar More.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little if he on Barmore because he kind
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of you know, I kind of like to spick and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: he turns it all, turns it all. I just want
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to know which one is going to show up. You know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: it was late last season. Like there's an element and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: this is just purely mock draft guy looking at him,
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  Speaker 1: it almost feels like there's an element of him being
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  Speaker 1: pushed up the board a little bit because everybody says, well,
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  Speaker 1: the Jatweards need defensive tackle, We're gonna put him in
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  Speaker 1: twenty five. Uh. And again that's just from reading mocks
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  Speaker 1: over the years. I don't know enough about Barmore snaf
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  Speaker 1: be top twenty five or not, but it sounds to
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  Speaker 1: me like one significant option would be draft safety. Harder
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  Speaker 1: to find probably more corners. Wait till thirty three to
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  Speaker 1: get your corner. And I hate talking like that because
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I'm always the guy who says, don't don't do that
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  Speaker 1: before the draft. Make sure, they're good players where you're
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  Speaker 1: picking them, but that could be a scenario where it's
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  Speaker 1: safety of because you don't get that many shots and
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  Speaker 1: those guys and then more corners at at at number
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  Speaker 1: thirty three, I want to know where you're finding a
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle because you got to stop the run to
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  Speaker 1: make any of these guys matter. Yeah, you have to
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  Speaker 1: stop the run. The problem is, John in this draft,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: it's not a good defensive tackle draft. Well not not
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  Speaker 1: not in the first round where you can absolutely say
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  Speaker 1: that the guy that we're taking a twenty five is
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  Speaker 1: gonna come in and be a difference maker. Um, if
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking in the second round, third round, maybe you're
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: talking about the likes of kids from NCY State McNeil um,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: things of Eric Ellen m McNeil big run stuffer invitation, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then and then you have you know, like Marvin
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  Speaker 1: Wilson in the second and third. To be honest, the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Jags don't need a newbie at defensive tackle. They need
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  Speaker 1: someone who has tried and true improven I would anticipate
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  Speaker 1: the free agent market burying somebody that they come. They
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: need to overpay to get a proven defensive tackle that
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: can come in inside and make a difference. Might need
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to do it twice there, right, I mean double up
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  Speaker 1: like that spending You got the money spending money, yeah, John,
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  Speaker 1: you got all that money spending spend some of that money.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: John's making it ready, that's what every money we can
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: get some of these flares. So yeah, we gotta stop people.
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  Speaker 1: We can't look because man, that run defense can't be
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  Speaker 1: what it's been in the past. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 1: our final question in today and again thanks for all
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: the submissions on Tuesday on social media. We appreciate it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: This is from at Danton Thomas. What percentage of players
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  Speaker 1: do you think will be new to the Jaguars and
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  Speaker 1: what position group will be A surprised with the number
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of changes. Well, this is this is pretty deep. I
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: think there's on the final f D three. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: say there are thirty new players next year because eleven
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  Speaker 1: draft picks, a bunch of free agents coming in, undrafted guys.
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  Speaker 1: They want their guys in there. You're gonna have some
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  Speaker 1: starters back certainly on offense on the old line, and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: some skill players. But other than that, like deeper down
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  Speaker 1: the roster, I think it's thirty. That's my number. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah, that's that's about where I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was at about I think I think your number
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  Speaker 1: is right because I mean, let's be honest, like, how
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: many ever you're gonna retain from the team and the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: way the team played, you have to flip it. You
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: have to flip it, particularly because you're change in scheme.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. I think the biggest position group to
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  Speaker 1: change we're talking about it the defensive tackle class, like
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  Speaker 1: the D line, the interior tackles, and especially because the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: D line is the D coordinator's baby. All those guys,
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  Speaker 1: all those guys with the exception of the number ones, Well,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: there might be a number one included in that also,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: but I mean maybe you might. Yeah, but that that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: that defensive line. We'll see a new defensive line next
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  Speaker 1: season for sure, because it starts right there. You have
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to you have to get the trenches right. That's right,
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  Speaker 1: I think. Well, and again, if we're assuming that it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a three four, which you know, nobody's saying, yeah, but
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: let's assume it's a three four. Hamilton's I think Tavin
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: at the big end, I don't think you'll see him released,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I think mostly just comes out in camp
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and is not not even close right that that would
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: be the only thing. Yeah, they liked him at the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: end of the season. Last year he played better at
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: big end than he had played at tackles. So don't
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: necessarily count him out of being a part of them.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I saying he's gonna be the guy. But I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you on as far as numbers, thirty, I almost
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: think that's the minimum of new you're gonna see it
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: because most teams have sixteen or seventeen new just right
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: out of the box, and because most of your rookies
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: make eat a couple of undrafted guys make it. Most
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: teams go nine or ten just rookies, and then all
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're talking about four or five new guys.
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  Speaker 1: So at least thirty, I mean, it's gonna be a lot.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: That's what happens, That's what has to be. You have
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to flip it. You can't go, you can't run it
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: back with the same front. We we have to we
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: have to get everything about the changing schemes. New coach,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: new culture, gender, manager is all different. I just can't
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: imagine a lot of the same personnel coming back. I
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: think they move on from and they try and do
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: it their own way. Alright, guys, we have arrived at
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the end of the Huddle Up podcast and coming up
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: this week, we're a week away from the franchise tag
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: window closing. Weill Cam Robinson be tagged. Maybe we'll find
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: out by the time we are on this air for
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: this not air, but on this podcast next week two
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: weeks now until the start of the league year and
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the opening of free agency. Johnny O, what do you
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: have on Jaguars dot Com the rest of the week? Uh?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Good question? Podcast? Come up with Peter Straeger at some point,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: another colleague of Bucky's from Oh look at you. I
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: go back to Peter a long way. It's good to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: have him on. And uh probably uh more of our
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: position by position breakdown, which, by the way, Bucky and
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I both worked on basically breaking down JAG's position by position,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: went all ten positions. Get a lot of good feedback
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: on it. We're through the wide receivers right now. Have
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: some offensive line and tight end coming up for you, so, uh,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I would look for that. That's been a good read. Uh.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: And because it involves Bucky Brooks, some insightful stuff. That's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: right that's right, Bucky. What do you have coming up
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: on the NFL dot com and on the network. Oh,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: so Thursday, you guys will like this on the Move
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the Sticks podcast, we are taking the Jaguars to the
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: body shop. We are rebuilding the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're giving
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: him a shining new engine, got some upgrades and some
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: add ons. We are making the Jaguars new and improved.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold onto my wallet because it cost a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: lot of money. What's up, bill comes dude, newer improved
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: restoration project. We can get it going a brand new automobile.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Once it's over with. We'll look forward to that. That'll be.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: It's always a fantastic podcast. Johnny. Oh, have a great week.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon. Bucky Brooks, NFL media analyst.
• 45:19
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• 45:30
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• 45:33
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