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Until Death Do Us Laugh With MATT BATY From PIGS, PIGS, PIGS, PIGS, PIGS, PIGS, PIGS · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: So I'm not from pig Speaks, pigs Peaks, Peak Speaks Pigs,
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  Speaker 1: and I do all the shouting.
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  Speaker 2: That's me. That's my that's my job.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. You're not going to be shouting me today, are you?
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  Speaker 2: Hope not?
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  Speaker 3: Its We've got ten minutes for the shouting or pleasantries.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see which it lands.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today. May you look very sprightly
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  Speaker 3: this time of day?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little like I don't feel like it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's on illusion.
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  Speaker 3: Very nice. Now we're here today to speak about the
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  Speaker 3: fact that I'm going to call you lots of pigs
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  Speaker 3: because I can't count that high to seven, So lots
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  Speaker 3: of pig. You released your big studio album Gets Hilarious
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  Speaker 3: earlier this month, so how's the early reception been for it?
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  Speaker 2: It's been good. We've just been it.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: We're kind of in the middle, I suppose of our
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  Speaker 1: UK touring. We've just got a home show, the hometown
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  Speaker 1: shows left now. Actually we're doing three this Friday, Saturday
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  Speaker 1: and Sunday at a venue in Newcastle called The Staring Shadow.
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  Speaker 1: So three nights in a row should be fun. And
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  Speaker 1: we've done like the bulk of the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: UK tour, and it's been it's been fantastic, really really
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun probably, i'd say personally speaking, like
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  Speaker 1: the best tour we've ever done. Just yeah, really really
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  Speaker 1: well received. Lots of excited, energetic people come in the shows.
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  Speaker 1: And then also like having five albums.
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  Speaker 2: Worth of.
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  Speaker 1: Songs to be able to construct a a set and
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  Speaker 1: a performance with is is a joy. So yeah, it's been,
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  Speaker 1: it's been real good.
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  Speaker 3: Nice having actually danger this success of an album in
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  Speaker 3: the modern age of music. Mate, Like I remember back
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  Speaker 3: in the day as you get your gold gold records
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  Speaker 3: to hang on the wall and ship down, you get
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  Speaker 3: your little parks. But these day is everything online and
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  Speaker 3: the streaming and shit, So how do you actually know
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  Speaker 3: aside from out the shows when you look at people
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  Speaker 3: singing your songs, how do you know how could you
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  Speaker 3: have gone with it?
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  Speaker 1: It's it's being at the shows and yeah, to honestly
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  Speaker 1: that that's it. Like I obviously appreciate, you know, anyone
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  Speaker 1: that takes the time to listen to the album and
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  Speaker 1: review it or like you know, speak to us and
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  Speaker 1: help us promote the band. You know that that's that's
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  Speaker 1: always We're really grateful for that. But yeah, for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's like it is just being at the shows and
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  Speaker 1: people just seeing people's reaction to it. That's that's all
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  Speaker 1: we're we're really in it for so yeah, and everything
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  Speaker 1: else is just like as you say, kind of exists
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  Speaker 1: as like streaming numbers and things like that, But I
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  Speaker 1: long since have disregarded my.
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  Speaker 2: My obsession with those.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think much of a rabbit hole the guy
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  Speaker 3: down For.
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  Speaker 1: Me, I just think, I don't know, like when you
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  Speaker 1: look at like streaming of it numbers and viewing figures
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  Speaker 1: and things like that, I think it's really like unhealthy
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  Speaker 1: thing for a musician to do and to focus on.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I've got quite strong opinions
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  Speaker 1: on this, and I have thought about it, probably a
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  Speaker 1: little too much. But yeah, for me, like the best
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  Speaker 1: thing I think the music industry as a whole could implement.
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  Speaker 1: I mean obviously just you're talking about like you know,
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  Speaker 1: different businesses and different corporations, but you know, if all
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  Speaker 1: of the new miracle data was removed from the from
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  Speaker 1: from being public facing, like there's no need for it,
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  Speaker 1: Like you know when you log on the Spotify, there's
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  Speaker 1: no need for me as a listener to see how
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  Speaker 1: many times a song or an album has been streamed.
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  Speaker 1: There's absolutely no reason for that, and the only reason
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  Speaker 1: that it exists is too sort of push and influence
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  Speaker 1: the record labels and the artists into promoting the streaming service.
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  Speaker 1: That's all because because the record labels and the artists
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  Speaker 1: suddenly become aware that that that data is public and
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  Speaker 1: may influence the way people perceive the band. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: got nothing to do with the quality of the music,
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  Speaker 1: So h get rid of it.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're right too. Like, like I said, we don't
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  Speaker 3: want to go too deep into it because you can
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  Speaker 3: talk three hours. But people become obsessed by those figures
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  Speaker 3: and it's like they' to see how much it's gone
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  Speaker 3: up and stuff, and it's like enjoying a life breaker.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do about it. It's just figures
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  Speaker 3: on a fucking screen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, that's it. It's it's it's yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sweet. So back to the album, dep Hilarious Broke. Can
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  Speaker 3: you dive into it a bit deeper for us from
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  Speaker 3: musical point of view and what you were going for
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  Speaker 3: this time around?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. I mean we're a weird band.
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  Speaker 1: We don't, you know, in the sense that we we
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  Speaker 1: don't all get together before we start writing an album
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  Speaker 1: and kind of discuss what direction we'd like to take
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  Speaker 1: it in, which I think I think is pretty odd
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  Speaker 1: and probably probably.
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  Speaker 2: Not very efficient.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, we won't just get together in a
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  Speaker 1: room and everyone will have worked on different things or
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  Speaker 1: have like, you know, different fragments of ideas for songs,
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  Speaker 1: and and we just kind of get together in one
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  Speaker 1: room and present those with each other, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: something's kind of click amongst all of us, and some
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  Speaker 1: things don't, and those things will will just park for
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  Speaker 1: a rainy day and see if there's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, see if it, see if it works at a
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  Speaker 2: later date.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll kind of focus on everything that people bring
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  Speaker 1: that you know, all of us as a as a
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  Speaker 1: five piece unit are all in on. And then like
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  Speaker 1: from that point once we start like developing the kind
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  Speaker 1: of I suppose, like the skeletons of of of of
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  Speaker 1: what the songs are. Sam he's also he also records
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  Speaker 1: and produces our albums as well, so he like at
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  Speaker 1: the writing stage, he's also thinking about where, what what
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  Speaker 1: the songs, what how the songs are developing in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what he can do in a on a production level,
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  Speaker 1: what what what's coming out in there when when we're writing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think with this one, like the songs were
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  Speaker 1: kind of presenting themselves as being a bit more maybe
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  Speaker 1: a bit more assertive, a little bit more aggressive, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more immedia. So you know, that's where he
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  Speaker 1: he took the production as well, maybe just pushed things
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  Speaker 1: a little bit harder in terms of like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm not a producer, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: got things maybe slamming against the wall a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more than they were on on Land of Sleeper. But again,
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  Speaker 1: like Land of Sleeper was an album where the songs
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  Speaker 1: were coming together and Sam figured, actually there's there's there's
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  Speaker 1: like room for.
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  Speaker 2: Me to.
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  Speaker 1: Add a lot of additional layers to to the production
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  Speaker 1: and kind of make it maybe, yeah, just a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more textured, whereas like the new album is a
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  Speaker 1: lot more kind of straightforward and and a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more like rough and ready. I suppose he described the
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  Speaker 1: Land of Sleeper album as been a headphones listen, whereas
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  Speaker 1: this one he wanted it to be like turn your
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  Speaker 1: high fire up, full blast kind of listen. So yeah, that.
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  Speaker 3: Wass like, like the press release said that you strive
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  Speaker 3: as something more directly hostile with this album, and he
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  Speaker 3: pretty much just said that yourself, that that's what you
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  Speaker 3: were gone for. But how do you actually achieve a
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  Speaker 3: goal like that? Like you can't switch hostility off and on,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like you shouldn't be able to anyway, Like
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  Speaker 3: how do you how do you approach with that mindset
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  Speaker 3: in the studio for that to happen?
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  Speaker 1: I guess again it just comes from the writing really,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, and and and then I know, to degree,
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  Speaker 1: like when you get to when you get to recording
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  Speaker 1: them like properly in the studio, you know, you know
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  Speaker 1: the songs. You know, like the the emotion that you're
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  Speaker 1: projecting with other songs because you've played them so many
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  Speaker 1: times in the personal room that you just know it
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  Speaker 1: and you feel it so to a degree like you can,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose you can. You can not in a not
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  Speaker 1: in a sense of like you're acting like it's still
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  Speaker 1: genuine like the emotion like you know, the the outpouring
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  Speaker 1: that you do in the studio, but to a degree
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  Speaker 1: like you can't switch into it because you know that
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  Speaker 1: that's what the songs are and what the songs are
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  Speaker 1: like for me, like all of our songs and indeed,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, most of the music that that I love.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the music itself is like a conduit to
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  Speaker 1: express emotion. Right, So once you have a song and
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  Speaker 1: you know that that's the conduit for that emotion, like
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  Speaker 1: it does, become a bit of a vehicle to be
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  Speaker 1: able to express it. So it's just like you you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're jumping into seat of a car that allows you
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  Speaker 1: to express what you're expressing.
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  Speaker 2: So when you took in the.
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  Speaker 1: Studio and this is all stuff that like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I learned, I've learned over time because you're right, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the early days, I was a bit like,
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  Speaker 1: oh god, how do I capture what we do live
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  Speaker 1: or you know, when we're all in the rehearsal room house,
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  Speaker 1: how do I capture that in the studio? Where like
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  Speaker 1: studios can be or I used to see them as
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  Speaker 1: being like quite like clinical environments in a sense that
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  Speaker 1: you know, there are microphones everywhere and they're picking up
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  Speaker 1: your you know, every last drop of what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: And that used to freak me out a bit, and
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  Speaker 1: it was, you know, you sometimes I don't now like
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  Speaker 1: I used to, But I don't now listen back to
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  Speaker 1: our own music much at all. And I do that
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know if this is a good way
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  Speaker 1: to sell an album or not. But for me, for me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just being honest though, But for me, like listen,
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  Speaker 1: listening back to what we have recorded, it never matches,
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  Speaker 1: It never elicits the same feeling I get when we're
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  Speaker 1: either recording it or performing it.
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  Speaker 2: Does that make sense stad that? So? I?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't generally listen back, like I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know when I've done when I'm in the studio
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  Speaker 1: and I I've done a vocal take and I know
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  Speaker 1: that like that's the one, and I know it's like, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I feel it in my heart. You know that's it.
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  Speaker 1: And even if there's maybe like a couple of like
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  Speaker 1: mistakes in it or whatever, like I can just I
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  Speaker 1: live with that because I'm like, no, that was that
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  Speaker 1: was the one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was the take, and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's the kind of that's that they're the they're
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  Speaker 1: the rules I live by. So then you know, when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to like reviewing what's been done, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of I hear it. I hear it back, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's never gonna like, it's never going to make me
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  Speaker 1: go the way I did in that moment when I
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  Speaker 1: recorded it. But I think that's the kind of the
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  Speaker 1: thing of like, you know, at that point, once you've
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  Speaker 1: recorded it, once you've done that, once you've had that
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  Speaker 1: like outpouring of emotion, and you've gone, that's the take,
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  Speaker 1: that's the one I want to commit to the record.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, you're then passing on to other people
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  Speaker 1: like yourself, you know, you just you're passing it out
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  Speaker 1: to the world and then hopefully, you know, people can
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  Speaker 1: interpret those sounds and you know, in some way be
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  Speaker 1: influenced by them to kind of feel in some way
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  Speaker 1: what I felt when I was recording them.
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  Speaker 3: That's a really cool way of describing it, right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: and that's exactly what it's like. It like, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: not complicated, but it is a complicated series of events
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  Speaker 3: that come together. To listen to response for.
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  Speaker 1: Music, Yeah, yeah, it's a weird thing, but yeah, really,
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  Speaker 1: I don't listen back to stuff now. I just know
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  Speaker 1: that in the moment that was right, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: we we do listen back, you know, because Sam then
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  Speaker 1: takes all the audio off and production wizardry with it,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll listen back, you know, and go, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds great. Maybe this is a little bit louder,
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  Speaker 1: I'll try that a little bit quieter or you know whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's usually minimal stuff though, because some so like talented
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  Speaker 1: in that regard, and he's very very obviously with him
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  Speaker 1: being in the band, he's very in tune with the
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  Speaker 1: music itself, so you know, usually it's like it's minimal
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  Speaker 1: stuff that will kind of request and then it's off
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  Speaker 1: to the label.
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  Speaker 3: I love the album titled two Bro like Deth hilarious
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  Speaker 3: like It's one of those titles that even if someone
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  Speaker 3: has never heard of the band before, never heard your music,
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  Speaker 3: it tells them enough about you guys. Just know whether
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  Speaker 3: you want to listen to it or not. It's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's a beautiful it's it's it's ash but it's fucking
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  Speaker 3: funny as.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. It's it's from it's from a book
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  Speaker 1: called bl Meridian, which is by an an author called
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  Speaker 1: Cormack McCarthy. It's a phenomenal book, really quite bleak. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were all like we were away we're doing a
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  Speaker 1: few shows like last year, and we'd all we were
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  Speaker 1: all rereading the book, like kind of one after the other.
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  Speaker 1: I think Sam was reading it whilst we were away,
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  Speaker 1: and then I have a copy of it at home,
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  Speaker 1: so I picked it up and I was I was
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  Speaker 1: reading through it when we were back home, and I
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  Speaker 1: think Alan was doing the same. And we did have
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  Speaker 1: a different title for the album that we settled on,
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  Speaker 1: and now, honestly I can't remember what.
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  Speaker 3: It was as good as it wouldn't have been as good.
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  Speaker 2: You well know, you know, it took us a while
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  Speaker 2: to settle on it as well.
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  Speaker 1: We were throwing things like back, backwards and forwards, and
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  Speaker 1: then we finally got one which kind of stuck. And then,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know, a few days later, HadAM messaged everyone.
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  Speaker 1: They said, hey, like, what do you think about seth
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  Speaker 1: hilarious as a as a title for something? You know?
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't I don't even think at that point it
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  Speaker 1: was suggesting for the album. He was just like, they're
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  Speaker 1: a title for something. I think we had a few
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  Speaker 1: like song titles still to to kind of tie up,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't remember who suggested it, but we were like, well,
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  Speaker 1: why why not the album let's like, let's ditch the
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  Speaker 1: other one. And I think we were just like all
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  Speaker 1: in on it. So it's like it's taken.
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  Speaker 2: From a a a bad.
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  Speaker 1: Passage in the book that's uh describing a Native American
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  Speaker 1: tribe riding the horses into a kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: battle or fight scenario, and he describes them as as
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  Speaker 1: as as looking death hilarious, and and Adam, you know,
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  Speaker 1: quite rightly said like, I think that's like a really
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  Speaker 1: good description of our band as well, which which I
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  Speaker 1: agree with. And I like the kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: between the two words, there's that dichotomy of the two
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  Speaker 1: words as well, that kind of juxtaposition of like death
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  Speaker 1: being a really heavy morbid subject and yeah, hilarious what
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  Speaker 1: it is, and those two words together kind of combine
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  Speaker 1: and to kind of capture the.
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  Speaker 2: The absurdity of of living, I suppose. So yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was really really pleased that you suggested it and we
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  Speaker 2: found it, because it did take us a while to
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  Speaker 2: settle on whatever the other title was. It took us
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  Speaker 2: a while, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think sometimes when things like take a while, they're
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  Speaker 1: not I prefer things to come like in a moment
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  Speaker 1: and in a flash. Yeah, everyone, I kind of go
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  Speaker 1: rather than it feeling like some kind of protracted process
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  Speaker 1: that you're going through. That's like, you know, it feels
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  Speaker 1: like a fucking referendum or something, just something really dull
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  Speaker 1: and boring, you know. It's yeah, yeah, so I'm really
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  Speaker 1: pleased we settled on that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you a little story that right sort
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  Speaker 3: of might sentuate that a little bit more. May like,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: because I get heapes of interview requests come across my
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  Speaker 3: desk every dated. I can't do them all, unfortunately, But
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  Speaker 3: when I came to yours, the clincher for me say, yep,
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  Speaker 3: I'll take this one with the album title because I
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  Speaker 3: read that and just like, these guys are got to
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  Speaker 3: have a sense of humor if they're calling their album that,
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  Speaker 3: So in a small way, it's it's helped you connect
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  Speaker 3: with someone on the other side of the world because
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  Speaker 3: I've got the same twisted sense of humor as you guys.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Did the name? Also not give.
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  Speaker 3: Now the band name? If you gave me the chance
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, I'm like, fucking how many times are
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  Speaker 3: they saying this. It's like I'm saying that that was
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  Speaker 3: that was negative, But you've made up for it with
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  Speaker 3: the album title. Now, you guys do experiment a lot
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: with your with your style, with your genres, with your
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  Speaker 3: emotions musically. But your five albums deep now, mate, So
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: do you reckon you're closer to finding your definitive sound
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  Speaker 3: or as it's still a major work in progress.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think the blueprints there, but
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  Speaker 1: I think with like each album that we did, we
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  Speaker 1: always find like there's like two or three songs that
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  Speaker 1: we start to work on that you know, feel quite
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  Speaker 1: different and quite unique. And I think that those ones
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  Speaker 1: are like those ones are always the most exciting for
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  Speaker 1: me when they come around, and you know, even like
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: quite quite early on and we're starting to develop them,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you get a sense that, oh this this, this one's
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: going to be one of the one of the cornerstones
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of the album. So like on this one, I you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: i'd pick out the worm or you know, oh yeah, god,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: they should roll off my tongue because you know, glib
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: tongue with with LP on. You know, those those sorts
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of tracks that that that kind of pop up. And
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like you know, on the last album, Land of Sleeper,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: there was the weather Man and a couple of others,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and you know they're the ones they're they're like they
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: almost feel like the kind of the bonus prizes whenever
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: whenever we were writing an album, and like, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: those are the ones that excite me. And I think
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you know what we're you know where I said that
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: we don't we don't discuss what we want to do
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: ahead of starting to write an album. But I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: all of us collectively understand that with each album, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I think we've all got the same want for like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: each album to have like its own space, its own character,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and sounds really good at that in terms of like
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: what he brings in production wise, each album's always going
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to sound a little bit sonically different. If anyone was
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: mad enough to play and you would, you know, you'd
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you'd be able to spot the differences between each album
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: because I think, especially like production wise, like with rock
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and metal, people like even sometimes like people will use
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: different producers for across different albums, but there there can
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: be quite formulaic ways of producing rock and metal, and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you might listen to a band's entire discography and it's like, oh,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of these albums sonically sound the same. Whereas
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: with our albums. I think there's and I think, like
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you know, also the way that we write songs as well,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and the way that we think about them, you know
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that that offers a producer a bit more space to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: kind of experiment a little bit more. So yeah, we
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: always have like in mind that, and then we also
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: have in mind that, like you know, we don't just
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: want to keep writing the same songs over and over
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and over again, so you know, we do. I think
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: all yearned to find these like undiscovered kind of corners
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of the of the I don't know, of the of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the room that we're writing in, you know, of the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: band if I'm speaking metaphorically, I suppose, and and yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: those are the most exciting parts for me. So yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Glup Tongue was totally one of those when it when
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it started to form, and and the Worm as well,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: like you know, that's been mega to play live.
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  Speaker 2: It's been one of my favorites, so