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Spray-Tan, Dating Sites, AA Meeting? Trail of Clues in Hiker-Mom Murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: A beautiful young mom murdered on a local hiking trail.
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Speaker 2: What happened in the last hours We learned that law
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Speaker 2: enforcement out on ATVs looking for her killer and also
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Speaker 2: asking for the public's help. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: friends Fox Baltimore.
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Speaker 3: More than a week has passed since the body of
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Speaker 3: Rachel Mooren was found on the mom Paw Trail in
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Speaker 3: Harford County. Police have made no arrest in her murder,
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Speaker 3: and they were asking the community for help. Meanwhile, speculation
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Speaker 3: about what happened is running a rampant on social media.
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Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing our friends at Fox Baltimore talking
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Speaker 2: about the fact that social media has run rampant her words,
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Speaker 2: not mine, regarding the murder of Rachel Lauren. But what
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Speaker 2: are the facts as we know them at this hour?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 2: Serious ExM one eleven. Again, you were hearing our friends
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Speaker 2: at Fox Baltimore talking about what's happening online, but what's
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Speaker 2: happening in reality. Take a listen to Rob Weinhold, crisis
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Speaker 2: leadership expert with Folston Group, our cut eye.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm quite certain the sheriff's department is working around
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Speaker 4: the clock doing everything possible to identify the suspect. But
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Speaker 4: the longer this goes on, the more it exacerbates the
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Speaker 4: fear in the community right and also speculation and conversation,
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Speaker 4: a lot of which may be inaccurate. And so the
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Speaker 4: sheriff's department has its job cut out for it and
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Speaker 4: has to move methodically, move slowly to make sure that
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Speaker 4: when there's the rest it's also prosecutable. So very important
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Speaker 4: for the Sheriff's department to take us time and do
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Speaker 4: what's right. But it doesn't do anything the lower the
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Speaker 4: temperature of fear.
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Speaker 5: Lower the temperature fear.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of hard to do when the public believes
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Speaker 2: a killer is on the list. And now take a
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Speaker 2: listen to our cut thirty four, our friend Rebeccah Pryor.
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Speaker 6: This mite.
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Speaker 7: Law enforcement swarming the area for almost a full day,
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Speaker 7: Goverzski's stepdaughter locating the body in about an hour.
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Speaker 8: Once we got down there and I started seeing them tunnels,
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Speaker 8: I started getting goosebumps.
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Speaker 7: The deadly discovery made in a tunnel drink not far
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Speaker 7: from the trail's main entrance.
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Speaker 8: I saw a terrible mess.
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Speaker 7: Goverzski's visions meeting the reality of a gruesome scene.
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Speaker 8: There's not going to be an open casket.
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Speaker 9: I can guarantee you that images of Rachel Mora, the
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Speaker 9: murdered mother of five, now mark the mon Paw Trail
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Speaker 9: and the Harferd County Sheriff's Office has been inundated with
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Speaker 9: questions surrounding her death. A modern day who done it?
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Speaker 9: This case almost immediately attracted the attention of the national
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Speaker 9: media as well as from outlets from abroad. While the
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Speaker 9: Sheriff's office has seventy eight thousand followers on Facebook, posts
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Speaker 9: about Rachel's murder have reached two million people.
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Speaker 2: You are also hearing our friends at WNAR with me
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Speaker 2: an all star panel to make sense of what we
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Speaker 2: know right now.
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Speaker 5: We also know that the law.
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Speaker 2: Enforcement there in the area where Rachel was found is
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Speaker 2: asking for assistance from the public. Is that ever a
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Speaker 2: good sign?
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Speaker 5: Again?
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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now? But straight out to Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 2: anchor reporter Fox forty five in Baltimore, former cop and
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Speaker 2: private investigator, author a playbook to a murder, Vincent Hill.
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Speaker 2: Is it true that local law enforcement is asking for
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Speaker 2: help from the public.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: The Hartford County Sheriff's office set up an email tip
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Speaker 10: line and they've received over three hundred tips. But right
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Speaker 10: now they're looking for any witnesses that may have seen Rachel.
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Speaker 10: Here we are over a week later, and you alluded
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Speaker 10: to a Nancy, it's not a good sign that they're
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Speaker 10: turning to the public because that tells me they may
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Speaker 10: be limited on the amount of clues they have who
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Speaker 10: killed or Chel.
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Speaker 2: Right now, we know the timeline is being picked apart
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Speaker 2: with a fine tooth. Come take a listen, how' cut
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Speaker 2: sixty three from our friends at News Nation.
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Speaker 5: It appears to me that this is much more personal.
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Speaker 11: I've seen homicide scenes where the face is just destroyed,
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Speaker 11: and that's for a reason because they are either so
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Speaker 11: angry at this person and how attractive they may be,
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Speaker 11: that they're going to destroy that beauty because they've been rejected.
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Speaker 11: Now the boyfriend and all this stuff, they're going to
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Speaker 11: have to get a timeline on his where he was
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Speaker 11: and what he was doing, because you've got you've got
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Speaker 11: what a five five and a half hour period here
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Speaker 11: between the time she left and the time her boyfriend
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Speaker 11: is calling in a missing person report.
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Speaker 2: We're learning that some are reporting the boyfriend has an alibi,
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Speaker 2: and that alibi is that he was at.
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Speaker 5: An A A meeting.
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Speaker 2: You've either known someone in an AA meeting, you've been
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Speaker 2: in an AA meeting, you've seen it on a TV
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Speaker 2: or in a movie.
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Speaker 5: Vincent Hill joining us Fox forty five.
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Speaker 2: If he was in an AA meeting, there's going to
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Speaker 2: be not only his sponsor, but other people who are
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Speaker 2: also at that meeting.
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Speaker 5: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 12: Yeah?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy on me. That could be verified very quickly
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Speaker 10: because those meetings are usually scheduled around the same time.
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Speaker 10: It's usually the same people that attend those meetings. So
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Speaker 10: if he was there, then someone can actually voucher him
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Speaker 10: very quickly and easily.
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Speaker 2: You know, I noticed his warning joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, sheriff, former homicide undercover narcotics agent. You can
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Speaker 2: find me ronbatemanbooks dot com, author of a crime trilogy,
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Speaker 2: Silent Blue Tears. Ron I noticed right at the beginning,
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Speaker 2: he said, when he was talking about his arrest record,
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Speaker 2: which is, let's just say, pretty extensive, fourteen rest since
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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, he said, I'm eighteen months clean. When you
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Speaker 2: hear the words eighteen months clean, that does sound like
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Speaker 2: somebody in AA absolutely does.
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Speaker 6: And someone that's trying to h the be sober. They
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Speaker 6: always seem to know exactly how many months days you know,
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Speaker 6: they've been cleaned, So it sounds sounds.
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Speaker 5: Normal to me, Doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 2: They know it down to the day, because a struggle
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Speaker 2: against drugs or alcohol is.
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Speaker 5: A daily battle. A daily battle. It's got a hold
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Speaker 5: of you and you have to fight it with me.
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Speaker 2: Is doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us out of Beverly
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Speaker 2: Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 5: Jumpan doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 13: You know, Nancy, not only is it a daily battle,
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Speaker 13: but it takes a lot of time for the brain
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Speaker 13: to recover from long term addiction. It's like an injury
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Speaker 13: to the brain. It changes. Long term addiction changes the
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Speaker 13: neuro receptor site. Think of the neuroceptor sites as the
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Speaker 13: steam on a flower.
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Speaker 2: First of all, when you throw around words like that
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Speaker 2: nero receptor sites, that could be anything.
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Speaker 5: You could be talking about a nuclear reactor, for all.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people know. Look, I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm not a shrink like you break it
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Speaker 2: down for me, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 13: When you have used alcohol, drugs, methanthetamine, plot any substance,
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Speaker 13: the brain begins to crave it. The brain becomes dependent
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Speaker 13: upon it. So it takes months or years, depending on
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Speaker 13: the substance, for the brain to stop craving that particular substance.
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Speaker 13: So that's why time is so important. If you have
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Speaker 13: two months, eight months, twelve months, the longer you have,
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Speaker 13: the less you crave that substance, the more you create
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Speaker 13: a different life and different patterns that are no longer
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Speaker 13: around using so and Yet in twelve step na AA,
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Speaker 13: the timing of how long the person has been sober
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Speaker 13: is important because that kind of structure is very important
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Speaker 13: for the recovering attic.
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Speaker 5: He says, specifically fifteen months clean.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, a lot has been made that Rachel Morin
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Speaker 2: was on multiple dating sites before her murder. Seriously, you
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Speaker 2: got a mama five breaking into the dating scene.
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Speaker 5: Of course she's on multiple websites.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why the stigma attached to dating websites.
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Speaker 2: Sidney Diver tell you, my nephew, smart, smart, smart, double
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Speaker 2: major chemistry. It awesome job as an it troubleshooter. He
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Speaker 2: met his now wife on a dating website and they
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Speaker 2: have two children. They've just had another baby. I think
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Speaker 2: they've been married, oh gosh, five seven years. So they
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Speaker 2: work not all the time, but they do work, and
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Speaker 2: they're such a stigma attached. I saw a banner Jessica
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Speaker 2: gar joining me. Hey, doctor Bethy, and Ron Bateman, doctor
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Speaker 2: g and Gorniat. We haven't gotten to you yet, because
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Speaker 2: we haven't. We're not discussing a dead body yet, Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 2: everybody jump in, you know, Jessica Garth joining me, chief
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Speaker 2: of these Special Victims and Family Violence Unit in Prince
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Speaker 2: George's County. I hate it when a murder victim, a
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Speaker 2: rape victim, any kind of victim is smeared. And when
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Speaker 2: I saw the banner Rachel Mooren on multiple dating sites,
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Speaker 2: like that's a bad thing. That was actually the banner
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Speaker 2: Rachel Mooren on quote multiple dating sites. Who gives a
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Speaker 2: flying fig if she was on dating websites. I only
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Speaker 2: care about it to the extent, Jessica. It could lead
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Speaker 2: me to someone that may have been stalking her, that
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Speaker 2: had seen her on one of these websites. But I
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Speaker 2: don't like it a little bit when victims are somehow
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Speaker 2: cast in its bad light. And another thing before you
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Speaker 2: get started. The other day, we were talking about other
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Speaker 2: women that are attacked by strangers when high king jogging, exercising,
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Speaker 2: and we were talking about Eliza Fletcher, the Memphis mom
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Speaker 2: who went out jogging eight for him. This woman, she
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Speaker 2: might as well have been a saint. People still attacked
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Speaker 2: her because she was out jogging at four am. It
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Speaker 2: made me so Madica to choose nail in half. And
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Speaker 2: now this one is getting attacked because she gets spray
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Speaker 2: tnds and she's on websites.
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Speaker 1: Who cares?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Nancy.
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Speaker 14: I couldn't agree more. When I saw the headline, I
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Speaker 14: immediately thought, oh, you know, we're already victim blaming. We're
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Speaker 14: already saying, you know, this woman shouldn't have been out
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Speaker 14: running alone, you should always.
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Speaker 6: Drum with a partner.
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Speaker 14: Oh, she was a multiple dating website. You know, perhaps
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Speaker 14: she had this come in, which which I think is terrible,
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Speaker 14: but I think you're right. I mean, if we use
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Speaker 14: this information as a tool to either find, you know,
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Speaker 14: other men that she might have been talking to who
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Speaker 14: are suspects, or even if we use it as a motive.
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Speaker 14: If it's something that would have upset her current boyfriend
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Speaker 14: that could have led to this or then it is
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Speaker 14: useful information in that way, But the use of it
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Speaker 14: in any other way, I agree, it's pretty disheartening. When
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Speaker 14: we're talking about a woman who's been.
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Speaker 13: Murdered, Nancy, I think I see something else in this. Well,
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Speaker 13: maybe she was unhappy in her current relationship, and he
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Speaker 13: talks about he started looking for her with the kids
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Speaker 13: they've been together. He posted online, and then he took
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Speaker 13: those Facebook posts right back down again, which tells me
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Speaker 13: that maybe this was a conflictual relationship. He's painting it
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Speaker 13: as if it was a happy one. But if she
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Speaker 13: was on dating fits, she wasn't committed to him.
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Speaker 2: You know what, if you look at any relationship, you're
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Speaker 2: going to find conflict. That's true, there's going to be
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Speaker 2: conflict of some nature. I don't know if it was
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Speaker 2: enough conflict for him to take a rock and be
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Speaker 2: her dead.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: It's out there, let's talk about it. The only thing
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Speaker 2: that remotely interests me about her going to the tanning
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Speaker 2: studio is that she and it's spray Tam not where
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Speaker 2: you lie in a tanning bed and get skin cancer.
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Speaker 2: Is that it was part of her routine. And we
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Speaker 2: all know that routines are significant. When a person has
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Speaker 2: been kidnapped, raped, murdered, someone may very well know their routine.
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Speaker 2: She had a routine down And hey, before I go
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Speaker 2: to this Vincent Hill and Ron Bateman, I want to
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Speaker 2: circle back to something I think Jessica Garth said or
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Speaker 2: Dr Bethany about the boyfriend taking down posts. They may
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Speaker 2: have been taken down at the behest of local law enforcement,
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Speaker 2: but that said, take a listener hour cut sixty six
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Speaker 2: our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 15: In the hours leading up to her walking them on
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Speaker 15: Pont Trail, The New York Post reports that Rachel Marin
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Speaker 15: stopped at Globe Bronzing Studio in bel Air for her
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Speaker 15: daily spray tan at two pm. A source close to
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Speaker 15: the salon told the Post that all the employees knew
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Speaker 15: her and that Rachel told them she was on multiple
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Speaker 15: online dating sites. This is just days after going public
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Speaker 15: with her relationship status update on Facebook, where the mother
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Speaker 15: of five said she was in a relationship with Richard Tobin.
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Speaker 15: According to a now deleted Facebook post, Tobin met up
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Speaker 15: with Rachel after her spraytan session and they went to
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Speaker 15: the gym together. New York Post also reporting the couple
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Speaker 15: went to Planet Fitness, where Marin is a black card
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Speaker 15: holder who can use any of the company's facilities.
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Speaker 2: What is significant to me right now? Ron Bateman, and
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Speaker 2: everybody jump in. If you have a thought on this,
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Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, you can find them at Ronbateman books dot com.
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Speaker 2: Former homicide detective. Ron is that I'm getting a timeline.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm interested in when it comes to her
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Speaker 2: spray tan or her gym session. She's with the boyfriend
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Speaker 2: just before she goes missing, she goes to the tan salon,
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Speaker 2: she goes to the gym, and that can be verified.
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Speaker 2: You know, those gems are covered in surveillance videos, so
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Speaker 2: we can establish that. What do you make of it,
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Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, I.
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Speaker 6: Would be all over that Jim footage, interviewing people that
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Speaker 6: they worked out nearby, that worked nearby them, you know,
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Speaker 6: working out with weights. I would interview them, people that
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Speaker 6: they talk to, get the footage and really do a
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Speaker 6: deep dive into that as well as at the salon.
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Speaker 6: You know, what kind of things do they say to
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Speaker 6: the tanning salon, the spray Tan salon. Was she talking
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Speaker 6: about having problems things of.
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Speaker 2: That beat Sydney's waving and noted me Jim after Tan
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Speaker 2: salon makes no sense.
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Speaker 5: So she would get streaky.
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Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but that's certainly something to
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Speaker 2: take into account. Thank you for the investigative tidbit that
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Speaker 2: she would get quote streaky.
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Speaker 5: You know what, though, unless she.
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Speaker 13: Got those stray hand because she wanted to look good
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Speaker 13: at the gym, because the fact that she was on
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Speaker 13: all those dating sites, she was unhappy in her relationships.
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Speaker 13: She wanted to new relationship and the chim was maybe
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Speaker 13: where she was meeting people. And Nancy, this reminds me
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Speaker 13: of Anna Nicole Simpson O J. Simpson's wife. She had
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Speaker 13: the same narrow routine. Remember there in Brentwood. She went
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Speaker 13: to the same canning salon, She got her nails don
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Speaker 13: at the same place. She had got her facials done
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Speaker 13: at this one spa. It was all along Sana Senny Boulevard.
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Speaker 13: And that really told a story because women who go
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Speaker 13: to the same establishments again and again, especially beauty establishments,
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Speaker 13: they talk, They talk about who they're dating, they talk
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Speaker 13: about whether or not they're happy in their relationships, and
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Speaker 13: there's going to be a treasure trove of information there,
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Speaker 13: especially if somebody on one of those dating apps was
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Speaker 13: stalking her.
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Speaker 16: You know what, she would have talked to that, well,
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Speaker 16: talk to the.
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Speaker 13: Person who was giving her her spray TND or given
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Speaker 13: her her facial or doing her nails. They're going to
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Speaker 13: know all about this.
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Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing the voice of doctor Bethany Marshall. Another
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Speaker 2: issue in addition to the hope, oh oh, and I
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Speaker 2: wanted to back sitting up on something although it was
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Speaker 2: giving you a hard time about this streaky defense. Do
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Speaker 2: you guys remember Robin Gardner just studying. As a matter
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Speaker 2: of fact, a couple of times I've thought of Robin
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Speaker 2: Gardner when I look at Rachel Moorem, because they look
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Speaker 2: very similar. Beautiful blonde goes to Aruba with the kind
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Speaker 2: of a boyfriend, more like a friend boy and never
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Speaker 2: seen again. Became a big bone of contention. She had
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Speaker 2: just had her hair done. I don't know if it
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Speaker 2: was a permanent something to her hair, and no way
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Speaker 2: would she had gotten that hair wet right after this treatment,
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Speaker 2: and the story was that she had gone in the water,
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Speaker 2: and all of her friends said no way did that happen.
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Speaker 2: So I know it may seem, let's just say, tangentile
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Speaker 2: to many sleuthers, but actually it goes to what doctor
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall is saying. It's routine evidence of someone's routine.
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Speaker 2: If you had just had your hair done, would you
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Speaker 2: go jump into swimming pool? Probably not? Same thing may
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Speaker 2: apply here. That said, there will be surveillance video at
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Speaker 2: the gym to determine what time she came and left.
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Speaker 2: But I want to focus on one more thing, the
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Speaker 2: issue of deleted posts. Take a listen hour cut sixty seven.
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Speaker 2: Our friend Dave Mack.
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Speaker 15: Richard Tobin has since deleted posts and set his social
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Speaker 15: media pages to private, but The New York Post reported
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Speaker 15: that in a sense deleted comment, Richard Tobin dropped off
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Speaker 15: Rachel at her home shortly before five pm. The next
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Speaker 15: thing we know about the timeline is that Morin went
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Speaker 15: to the hiking trail and was last spotted sometime between
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Speaker 15: the hours of six and seven thirty pm. According to
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Speaker 15: The New York Post, Richard Tobin wrote in a now
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Speaker 15: deleted Facebook comment quote, She's been missing since seven pm.
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Speaker 15: She went on a high and me and the kids
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Speaker 15: have been trying to find her since nine unquote Tobin
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Speaker 15: reported her missing to authorities around eleven thirty PM.
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Speaker 2: Joining us right now, Vincent, He'll anchor reporter Fox forty five, Baltimore. Vincent,
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Speaker 2: what do you know about deleted posts? Are there more?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, there may be more, Nancy, But you know, I
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Speaker 10: think it's important to realize, like he could be depleting
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Speaker 10: those for a few reasons, because he's already said something
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Speaker 10: that may be contradicted later. Or he's just tired of
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Speaker 10: being blasted on social media, which would be quite understandable
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Speaker 10: because since day one everyone's looked towards him as being
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Speaker 10: a suspect. So he may have deleted those just to
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Speaker 10: kind of go in cognito. Or oh, I better delete
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Speaker 10: the youth before police see them and realize I was
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Speaker 10: telling the story.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, he's placing himself with her just before she goes missing.
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Speaker 2: Now there's two ways to look at that. Everybody jump in.
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Speaker 2: Remember Alex Murdogg was with his wife and just before
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Speaker 2: they were murdered, and his defense was an unknown assassin
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Speaker 2: came in in that sliver of time and murdered them.
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Speaker 2: Before he comes back to the scene, his hunting lodge
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Speaker 2: there in South Carolina to find his wife and son dead.
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Speaker 2: So somehow, amazingly, the killer, with split second timing swooped
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Speaker 2: in and that hour plus murdered them and got away.
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Speaker 5: Now this is different.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he the boyfriend, is placing himself with the victim
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Speaker 2: just before she's killed, but he doesn't swoop.
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Speaker 5: Back in and find the body.
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Speaker 2: He is away from her for many hours before the
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Speaker 2: body is found. That makes it somewhat difficult. But we
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Speaker 2: are learning that somehow, incredibly, the sheriffs have tracked down
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Speaker 2: certain people that were on that trail, potential witnesses, everybody.
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Speaker 2: The questions I would love to ask these people. Was
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Speaker 2: she alone? What was she doing? Was she on her
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Speaker 2: cell phone? Was she in distress? Take a listening to
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Speaker 2: our cut fifty three are friends at.
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Speaker 6: W j Z.
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Speaker 12: The Harford County Sheriff's Office has a new way to
20:19
Speaker 12: send in tips, and they say they've located people who
20:23
Speaker 12: may have seen Rachel morn just before her death. Almost
20:26
Speaker 12: a week since Rachel Moran was killed on the mon
20:29
Speaker 12: Pot Trail in bel Air, police are still trying to
20:31
Speaker 12: piece together her final moments. The Sheriff's office says they've
20:35
Speaker 12: identified and contacted five people who were walking with their
20:39
Speaker 12: dogs between six and seven thirty last Saturday evening. Who
20:43
Speaker 12: may be among the last who have seen Moran alive?
20:45
Speaker 2: Did they see her alive? We don't know. Straight back
20:48
Speaker 2: to you, Vincent Hill, Fox forty five. What do we
20:50
Speaker 2: know about these people? Five people? We've been told three women,
20:55
Speaker 2: two men, and vice versa long story short, five people?
21:00
Speaker 10: Do we know five people that may have been there
21:02
Speaker 10: Nancy that day around that time frame? Did they see her?
21:06
Speaker 10: More importantly, if they did see her, was she alone?
21:11
Speaker 10: What was her state of mind? How she acting? Was
21:14
Speaker 10: someone following her? There's a ton of questions that investigators
21:18
Speaker 10: want to get from these individuals that may have been
21:21
Speaker 10: there and may have been the last people to see
21:23
Speaker 10: Rachel alive.
21:24
Speaker 13: And of course Nancy. She was very distinctive looking. Anybody
21:27
Speaker 13: who's seen her photos, she's gorgeous. She has long, plown,
21:31
Speaker 13: long platinum hair. She worked out, According to one report,
21:35
Speaker 13: three times a day she was on that trail. She
21:38
Speaker 13: was a regular. People knew her routine.
21:41
Speaker 5: Okay, white white white, white, white white. She was on
21:44
Speaker 5: the trail three times a day.
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Speaker 13: You have a woman who locked her dogs with her
21:49
Speaker 13: husband on a daily basis, and she said that they
21:52
Speaker 13: would see her out there three times a day.
21:55
Speaker 5: Three times a day.
21:58
Speaker 2: I don't know if the witness has that correct, but
22:00
Speaker 2: that said, it does enforce that witnesses have seen her
22:04
Speaker 2: there and would recognize her. And you know what's interesting,
22:08
Speaker 2: Jessica Garth joining me, chief of the Special Victims' Family
22:11
Speaker 2: Violence Unit in Prince George's County. Very often eyewitness testimony
22:17
Speaker 2: is attacked. I've done it myself on cross examination. In fact,
22:21
Speaker 2: it's laid out in the official criminal Code. You can
22:25
Speaker 2: attack an eyewitness on the distance from which they were
22:29
Speaker 2: spotting the incident, or the person, the lighting conditions, what
22:35
Speaker 2: were they being distracted by some other event? Do they
22:38
Speaker 2: wear glasses? Just their view impeded. There's a million ways
22:44
Speaker 2: to attack an eyewitness.
22:45
Speaker 5: But that said, do.
22:47
Speaker 2: You know that if I jog, run, walk during a
22:52
Speaker 2: certain time of the day, Almost every time I see
22:57
Speaker 2: this little old lady, I swear the woman is in
22:59
Speaker 2: her she can't weigh over ninety pounds, and she's always
23:04
Speaker 2: got a big smile and speaks to me. I would
23:06
Speaker 2: know that lady anywhere. I don't know her name, but
23:09
Speaker 2: I see her all the time. There's a particular dog
23:13
Speaker 2: I see all the time. Her name is Adele. You
23:16
Speaker 2: know why I remember her. She's got one bloy white
23:18
Speaker 2: and one brown eye. This dog, right, So very often
23:22
Speaker 2: an eyewitness can be confused, but when you see something
23:25
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, it gets branded in
23:29
Speaker 2: your memory and it makes that id that much more valuable.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 14: I mean, the more often you see something, the longer
23:37
Speaker 14: that you see something, and of course the closer that
23:39
Speaker 14: you see something, the more reliable your testimony is going
23:43
Speaker 14: to be as an eyewitness. But you know, I think
23:45
Speaker 14: when we're interviewing these witnesses who mar Y may not
23:48
Speaker 14: have seen her on the trail, you know, it's really
23:51
Speaker 14: important not just whether or not she was alone, whether
23:53
Speaker 14: or not they saw somebody else on the trail. But
23:55
Speaker 14: we've been talking about establishing this timeline and how important
23:57
Speaker 14: that is, and you know, these witnesses can really crucial
24:00
Speaker 14: in that regard. They can say, you know, what time
24:02
Speaker 14: they saw her or if they were there. You know,
24:05
Speaker 14: she allegedly went running at seven pm and they didn't
24:07
Speaker 14: see her at seven point thirty. We can narrow down
24:10
Speaker 14: the time in which she might have been murdered. And
24:12
Speaker 14: that's going to be really, really important. As investigators developed
24:15
Speaker 14: a suspect in this case, when they get a statement
24:17
Speaker 14: from him or her, you know, they're probably going to
24:19
Speaker 14: have a timeline, and if they can, you know, sort
24:21
Speaker 14: of rebuck that timeline with the time that they know
24:24
Speaker 14: that she was actually murdered, it'll get us that much
24:26
Speaker 14: closer to a conviction.
24:28
Speaker 2: Dodger Methidy Marshall, We've gotten to the bottom of the mystery.
24:31
Speaker 2: You are right, it's not her. But this couple walked
24:37
Speaker 2: their dog three times a day and they very often
24:42
Speaker 2: saw her while they're walking the dog.
24:45
Speaker 5: Guys, does this become significant? Yes, it does.
24:49
Speaker 2: These witnesses, potential witnesses may be able to place Rachel
24:53
Speaker 2: Mourn at a location at a certain time. That certain
24:57
Speaker 2: time may give the boyfriend an alibi. What if he's
25:00
Speaker 2: at home cooking dinner. What if he's taking the children
25:03
Speaker 2: through Chick fil a or McDonald's at that time and
25:07
Speaker 2: there's a receipt showing it. Speaking of drive throughs, here's
25:10
Speaker 2: a great example. Does everybody remember Drew Peterson, the Devil
25:15
Speaker 2: from Hell. He's convicted on killing Let's see, I think
25:19
Speaker 2: that would have been third wife Kathleen sauvi O and
25:23
Speaker 2: then his next wife, Stacy Peterson's body has never been found.
25:27
Speaker 2: The night she goes missing, he and another male are
25:31
Speaker 2: seeing going through a drive through, and many people believe.
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Speaker 5: That is the night he disposed of Stacy's body.
25:39
Speaker 2: So what if at the time these witnesses see Rachel
25:43
Speaker 2: Morin on the trail, the boyfriend's had a drive through
25:46
Speaker 2: or wherever.
25:47
Speaker 5: He is an AA meeting.
25:49
Speaker 2: So these witnesses can turn out to be very very significant.
26:07
Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grease.
26:14
Speaker 2: Another issue, and I want to take this to doctor
26:16
Speaker 2: Jen Gorniac. We're now a medical examiner joining us out
26:19
Speaker 2: of Clark County. That's Vegas Board certified forensic pathologist, Doctor Gorniac.
26:26
Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe that there wasn't
26:28
Speaker 2: a scream, There was no sound of an argument or
26:32
Speaker 2: a scuffle or in anything when this lady was attacked.
26:36
Speaker 2: We've been told by a rock which says to me,
26:39
Speaker 2: crime of opportunity, not planned in advance. My question to
26:43
Speaker 2: you is if we never find the rock, the blunt instrument,
26:49
Speaker 2: wouldn't there be particles not seen by the naked eye
26:54
Speaker 2: in her head and face the wounds that would indicate
26:59
Speaker 2: a rock was the murder weapon.
27:02
Speaker 16: It's possible that you could you could see some transfer
27:04
Speaker 16: from from the rock. My thing is with this case
27:09
Speaker 16: is nobody's confirming what her injuries are except for the
27:13
Speaker 16: man who found her but didn't see her. But I
27:16
Speaker 16: can say that she's not gonna have an open casket.
27:18
Speaker 16: It's just so confusing. So yes, to answer your question.
27:21
Speaker 16: You would think if someone's being attacked like that, there
27:25
Speaker 16: might be a screen, but it might have happened so fast.
27:28
Speaker 16: But how big is this rock? It's just there's for me,
27:32
Speaker 16: there's just so many unanswered questions. She's naked, have they
27:37
Speaker 16: found her clothes? Was a sexual assault kit performed? Are
27:42
Speaker 16: those injuries that are being reported really true? Does she
27:45
Speaker 16: have any defensive injuries? She sounds like someone who's real
27:48
Speaker 16: taking care. Are her nails done or her nails cracked?
27:52
Speaker 16: Was there any you know, what other information do we
27:55
Speaker 16: have about what her cause of death is? And right
27:58
Speaker 16: now all we have is possible aria heck.
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Speaker 2: Now, it's very interesting Vincent Hill that while Michael g
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Speaker 2: who originally said he saw her body found her body
28:11
Speaker 2: has been somewhat discredited, it may have been the case
28:15
Speaker 2: that his stepdaughter found it and he came upon it,
28:20
Speaker 2: or she told him what she found. What I find
28:24
Speaker 2: to be the most important part of what Michael g
28:26
Speaker 2: had to say is that his words themselves have not
28:30
Speaker 2: been discredited. He may be repeating what a stepdaughter told him,
28:36
Speaker 2: he may be recounting what he learned, but his actual
28:41
Speaker 2: words that she was found naked, face up on a
28:44
Speaker 2: trail and the right side of her face bashed in,
28:49
Speaker 2: which tells me, gosh, if she were bashed in on
28:54
Speaker 2: the right side of her face, would that mean that
28:58
Speaker 2: the pert would have been using a left hand.
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Speaker 5: Anyway, that's a whole other can of worms. But what
29:04
Speaker 5: we're learning at.
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Speaker 16: Nanty this is doctor Gorniacke again real quick. So one first, Tom,
29:09
Speaker 16: it doesn't mean it's like something hit her or her
29:12
Speaker 16: head or her head hit something. So she could have
29:14
Speaker 16: been pushed down onto the rock because the rock was bloody,
29:17
Speaker 16: and I don't know how big the rock is, so
29:19
Speaker 16: not necessarily hit with the rock. Her head could have
29:22
Speaker 16: been pushed into the rock.
29:23
Speaker 5: Then she was on her back. She was on her back,
29:26
Speaker 5: How would that have happened?
29:27
Speaker 16: Well, they the person could have hit her right and
29:30
Speaker 16: then moved her.
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Speaker 2: Do you believe falling on a rock would have bashed
29:33
Speaker 2: the whole side of her face.
29:34
Speaker 16: In not falling, someone forcibly pushing her.
29:37
Speaker 6: Into a rock.
29:38
Speaker 5: Interesting, Vincent Hill, what about it?
29:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, Nancy, that Michael person. I was told by the
29:44
Speaker 10: sheriff he had no firsthand knowledge of the crime scene.
29:48
Speaker 10: So he may have been going off what he says
29:52
Speaker 10: is his stepdaughter's words. And she was the one that
29:54
Speaker 10: called nine one one saying she found Rachel's body. But
29:58
Speaker 10: we don't know exactly because the sheriff's office has not
30:01
Speaker 10: released or the medical examiner has not.
30:04
Speaker 6: Released her cause of death.
30:05
Speaker 10: We're just speculating on what he says that his stepdaughter
30:09
Speaker 10: told me.
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Speaker 5: Did the sharriffs ever say his words were not true? Vincent?
30:13
Speaker 10: But the Sheriff's office told me, Nancy was he has
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Speaker 10: no first hand knowledge of the crime scene. He did
30:18
Speaker 10: not find Rachel or witness her body.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so then no, they're not claiming that that information
30:24
Speaker 2: is false. It's just that he's not the one that
30:26
Speaker 2: found her.
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Speaker 5: First.
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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to take a listen to our
30:29
Speaker 2: cut sixty. Our friends at WMAR.
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Speaker 9: The public hungary b answers is gobbling up coverage of
30:34
Speaker 9: virtually anyone claiming to have information about the keys.
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Speaker 8: Basically, when we walked up, we saw fresh blood and
30:42
Speaker 8: my daughter's boyfriend thought it was dear blood at first.
30:46
Speaker 9: Please say they're frustrated by such people seeking the spotlight.
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Speaker 17: Obviously there are people out there who are coming up
30:53
Speaker 17: with putting out information in the public that they have
30:55
Speaker 17: no first hand knowledge of, talking about the crime scene
30:59
Speaker 17: that they have no tay and knowledge of.
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Speaker 2: I'm also curious to you, Ron Bateman, Jessica Garth, doctor
31:05
Speaker 2: Bethany Vincent Hill if she had been on these dating sites?
31:09
Speaker 2: Is there an X out there, an X or someone
31:13
Speaker 2: on these dating sites that she had rebuffed? Also, what
31:19
Speaker 2: do we know about her cell phone? Take a listen
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31:25
Speaker 2: Pretty Lies and Alby's podcast at NewsNation.
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Speaker 18: I believe there are a few axes from the past
31:32
Speaker 18: that I'm sure they're looking into at this point, anybody,
31:35
Speaker 18: I'm sure her phone is going to be a big
31:36
Speaker 18: source of information. Who did she last contact before she
31:39
Speaker 18: went to the trail of the location?
31:41
Speaker 5: Pings?
31:42
Speaker 18: Did she go somewhere before and also what's interesting is
31:45
Speaker 18: this trail had backs up right to an apartment complex.
31:48
Speaker 18: It's literally in the parking lot of an apartment complex.
31:51
Speaker 18: I'm interested to see what kind of surveillance they have.
31:53
Speaker 18: Did they see her get out of her car and
31:56
Speaker 18: start down on the trail?
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Speaker 6: You know?
31:57
Speaker 2: That leads me to an entire other line of reasoning,
32:01
Speaker 2: Ron Bateman.
32:02
Speaker 5: If this trail backs right up.
32:05
Speaker 2: To an apartment complex, who in that apartment complex could
32:08
Speaker 2: have been watching her every single time she went on
32:12
Speaker 2: a high Yeah?
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Speaker 6: Very true. There's only two places to park. I was
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Speaker 6: there yesterday for two hours, and there's one end it's
32:19
Speaker 6: only six and a quarter miles long, and then there's
32:22
Speaker 6: the end I believe her car was found. And yeah,
32:24
Speaker 6: that would be something that I would definitely be looking
32:26
Speaker 6: at again. More cameras and people's front doors, you know,
32:29
Speaker 6: are they seeing her? Are they do we catch it
32:32
Speaker 6: on camera? You know, with her getting out with someone else,
32:35
Speaker 6: or someone following her, someone acting strange. That would be
32:38
Speaker 6: definitely a great investigative tool to search out. When you're ready,
32:43
Speaker 6: I'll tell you about my observation zone.
32:44
Speaker 5: I'm ready. Tell me everything you observed.
32:47
Speaker 6: There's pretty much two primary areas to park to enter
32:50
Speaker 6: the trail in the area I believe Rachel parked. It
32:54
Speaker 6: would be very important to look at people's cameras to
32:57
Speaker 6: see if she was alone and see if someone was
33:00
Speaker 6: by watching her, talking with her, or walking close behind her,
33:03
Speaker 6: something strange like that. So what I saw yesterday was
33:06
Speaker 6: was several women walking alone, walking together, men and women walking,
33:10
Speaker 6: one person riding your bike. The trail was occupied yesterday.
33:14
Speaker 6: There were three deputies on three separate four wheelers that
33:18
Speaker 6: were riding up and down the trail. And I'm not
33:20
Speaker 6: trying to bash the Serrus office. Sure they're going a
33:22
Speaker 6: great job, but no one ever bothered talk to me
33:24
Speaker 6: or my associated was with me. And if I was
33:28
Speaker 6: the shriff, I would make sure I would have all
33:31
Speaker 6: ten deputies that are assigned to this their business cards.
33:33
Speaker 6: You know, with those deputies riding the four wheelers and
33:36
Speaker 6: handing them out, you know, you need to talk to people.
33:39
Speaker 6: You need to find out did you see anything? Do
33:40
Speaker 6: you know anything? Sometimes you have to pull it out
33:43
Speaker 6: of people, And if you give them a card, at
33:44
Speaker 6: least they leave with it. They'll be at home and
33:46
Speaker 6: they'll have something to referred to. If they say, oh,
33:49
Speaker 6: you know what, I did see something kind of weird,
33:50
Speaker 6: I'm gonna call.
33:51
Speaker 5: Them anyway, Ron, did you see the spot where Rachel
33:54
Speaker 5: was killed?
33:54
Speaker 6: I believe. So here's what's important. What I saw, And
33:57
Speaker 6: maybe these came from the dog witnesses, the dog walking witnesses.
34:00
Speaker 6: There were three detectives about three hundred yards away from
34:04
Speaker 6: what I believe was the scene. They were in the woods.
34:07
Speaker 6: They were at least thirty yards off the trail in
34:10
Speaker 6: the woods at a unique location, and they were walking around,
34:14
Speaker 6: appeared to be looking for something. They weren't doing a
34:17
Speaker 6: systematic grid search or anything like that, but they were
34:20
Speaker 6: walking around and that was definitely key to me because
34:25
Speaker 6: it was so far from the scene. And I mean,
34:28
Speaker 6: any touch on this point real quick. So, like I
34:30
Speaker 6: was saying in the beginning, if it came through or not,
34:32
Speaker 6: it's a vast, vast amount of woods there around this
34:36
Speaker 6: whole bomb Pow trail. It would take hundreds, hundreds of
34:42
Speaker 6: police or deputies to search this area. And I believe
34:46
Speaker 6: if we were to believe the stepdaughter, but this is
34:48
Speaker 6: such a violent crime, then there's going to be blood
34:51
Speaker 6: on the killer's shirts and pants. This time of year,
34:54
Speaker 6: you can leave the woods without a shirt, you can't
34:57
Speaker 6: leave without pants, without your pants, so I would believe
35:00
Speaker 6: they would strip that all pretty quickly, so not to
35:02
Speaker 6: be detected by anyone with blood on your shirt. And
35:05
Speaker 6: if you have blood on your hands, if you hit
35:07
Speaker 6: someone with a rock, you would have blood on your hands.
35:09
Speaker 6: You would wipe your hands off on your shirt.
35:11
Speaker 2: Curious about the location where you believe that Rachel was murdered.
35:14
Speaker 5: Was it on a curve?
35:16
Speaker 2: Was there anything around that spot where someone could have
35:20
Speaker 2: lain in?
35:20
Speaker 5: Wait?
35:21
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, there there are smaller tunnels. I was looking
35:25
Speaker 6: at those. I was looking because I believe also a
35:27
Speaker 6: crime of opportunity. I was looking for where this impression
35:31
Speaker 6: of possibly a rock could have been, and that that
35:36
Speaker 6: also can can lead you to bleed or leads you
35:38
Speaker 6: down the path. You know where they lying in wait,
35:41
Speaker 6: you know where their where their cigarette butts. You know
35:43
Speaker 6: near where this impression where the rock used to be.
35:45
Speaker 6: But yes, there is, to answer your question, smaller tunnels
35:48
Speaker 6: that were right next to the big tunnel. There's at
35:50
Speaker 6: least two that I saw.
35:51
Speaker 2: Guys, Again, the focus is not only on the boyfriend,
35:56
Speaker 2: which is to be expected, but beyond. With law enforcement
36:00
Speaker 2: asking for tips from the public, does that mean they
36:04
Speaker 2: don't have a clue are they misleading the real target?
36:08
Speaker 2: Take a listen, our cut l our forensic crime.
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Speaker 19: Online, many are questioning why it took Rachel Morin's boyfriend,
36:15
Speaker 19: Richard Tobin nearly five and a half hours to report
36:18
Speaker 19: the mom missing. Several Facebook users pointed to Tobin's statement
36:22
Speaker 19: that he's quote fifteen months clean and thought that the
36:25
Speaker 19: twenty seven year old may have been attending an AA
36:27
Speaker 19: meeting at the Manhouse. The home houses recovering male addicts
36:31
Speaker 19: that have been formally diagnosed with alcoholism or chemical dependency,
36:35
Speaker 19: also hosting meetings open to the public daily, with three
36:38
Speaker 19: options on Saturday, the latest scheduled for seven pm.
36:42
Speaker 2: The significance I find in that Vincent Hill is that
36:45
Speaker 2: if he was at one of those meetings, that would
36:47
Speaker 2: explain the delay in reporting. And often just human nature,
36:52
Speaker 2: when somebody's late coming home to supper or late for
36:55
Speaker 2: whatever event, you don't immediately think, oh.
36:58
Speaker 5: They'd been murdered.
37:00
Speaker 2: You wait, You wait a couple of hours and try
37:03
Speaker 2: to figure out what's happening, try to call and try
37:05
Speaker 2: to contact them, And I believe that his cell phone
37:10
Speaker 2: should indicate that's what he was doing, trying to reach her.
37:13
Speaker 2: What do you make of that Vincent.
37:14
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. I mean, if he was at this
37:17
Speaker 10: meeting a that can be verified. And also we don't
37:21
Speaker 10: know what conversation the two may have had before she
37:24
Speaker 10: went to the trail. She may have said, Hey, I'm
37:26
Speaker 10: going to go to the trail and then stop by
37:28
Speaker 10: my friend's house, grab some dinner, and come home. So
37:31
Speaker 10: you're right, you don't immediately think it's been three hours
37:35
Speaker 10: something has to be wrong because at the end of
37:37
Speaker 10: the day, we're adults. We go out, we go and
37:40
Speaker 10: live our lives, so there was nothing to float to say, oh,
37:44
Speaker 10: something's wrong immediately.
37:45
Speaker 6: Let me add to that, it's definitely really important to
37:49
Speaker 6: get a hold of her cell phone into a search
37:51
Speaker 6: boar on and get the voicemail. Let's face that they
37:54
Speaker 6: were in an argument. There might be a nasty voicemail
37:58
Speaker 6: that he left her or apologize I did that.
38:02
Speaker 2: No, we're also learning from the people that saw her
38:06
Speaker 2: routinely that she would usually have earbuds in or listening
38:10
Speaker 2: to music. Did that make it easier for someone to
38:14
Speaker 2: attack her? Doctor Bethany jump in.
38:16
Speaker 13: Well, I think there's a huge story hole in all
38:19
Speaker 13: of this to me, and that is that not one
38:21
Speaker 13: friend has come forward. We know the people who saw
38:25
Speaker 13: her on the trail. She was only with this new
38:27
Speaker 13: boyfriend for a number of months, and he says he
38:30
Speaker 13: went looking with the children. I mean, that's a very
38:32
Speaker 13: close bonded relationship for a family that you've only only
38:36
Speaker 13: been with for a few for a few short months.
38:39
Speaker 13: So what about her friends? Where were they? What about
38:42
Speaker 13: the people at this lawn? Why there are no stories
38:46
Speaker 13: that I'm hearing from people who knew her well and
38:49
Speaker 13: knew who routine who, or who could even talk a
38:52
Speaker 13: little bit about her relationship with her boyfriend.
38:55
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, We're learning a lot about her life.
38:58
Speaker 2: What's your observation, Well.
39:00
Speaker 13: Nancy, there was an older couple who was interviewed who
39:02
Speaker 13: said that she was a cleaning person in their home.
39:06
Speaker 13: Apparently she owned her own cleaning service. And so that
39:10
Speaker 13: told me not only was she beloved because they said
39:13
Speaker 13: they really liked her, but she was a hard worker
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Speaker 13: taking care of those five kids all on her own,
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Speaker 13: scrubbing other people's toilets, cleaning their windows, sweeping their floors.
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Speaker 13: This was a person who was not afraid to do
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Speaker 13: whatever she had to do to take care of her family.
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Speaker 13: And so when all that information comes out about the
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Speaker 13: dating apps and you know, attempts to smear her character,
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Speaker 13: we have to remember the true core of who she was,
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Speaker 13: which was somebody who would do anything to take care
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Speaker 13: of the people around her.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 2: disappearance and death of Rachel Mourn, please dial eight eight
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Speaker 2: five four zero eight four seven seven repeat eight eight
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Speaker 2: five four zero eight four seven seven.
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Speaker 5: Goodbye friend,