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Steve Cleary: Reaching The Formerly ‘Unreachable’ With The Gospel · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to Worldview Matters.
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  Discussing controversial issues.
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  Discerning current events.
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  Defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic.
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  Off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazzo.
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  Friends, family in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode.
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  Praise God, we're zipping through 2026.
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  And I've got some great news before we introduce today's special guest.
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  We've got the website and the registration page open for next year's Worldview Matters Conference.
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  We're getting it going early.
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  Why?
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  Because we sold out early this year.
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  So here it is.
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  Jeff put up the website and it's worldviewmattersconference.com.
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  worldviewmattersconference.com.
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  Two full days, 14 speakers.
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  And
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  and we will be live streaming, and there it is, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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  You can get more information on the website.
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  It is now connected to Eventbrite where you can get tickets.
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  So I just want to make sure you guys knew it's up and running.
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  We're excited.
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  It's just praise God that we can do this.
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  But I want to bring in Steve Cleary.
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  He's with Revelation Media, and I want to direct you to the website.
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  It's revelationmedia.com.
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  Facebook page, you want to look up Revelation Media, and also you can look up iBible, the letter I, Bible, on Facebook, and YouTube, Revelation Media Global on YouTube.
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  And I'll bring in Steve right now.
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  Brother, good to see you again.
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  Let's catch up with you today.
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  Yeah, hi, David.
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  I'm glad to be here.
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  Yeah, thank you so much.
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  I want to find out about some of your current projects.
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  It's really intriguing what you guys are doing.
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  And first of all, your podcast.
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  Tell us about your podcast.
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  Is that new?
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  Have you been doing it for a while?
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  I did it pretty consistently for a while, and then it kind of tapered off.
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  I had some health issues.
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  I love doing them, but I kind of wait till we have the right opportunity, the right guest.
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  Last one I did actually was with a man who did the deaf version of Jesus film, the ASL version, and he's deaf.
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  And so I had...
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  A couple of translators behind me.
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  Yeah, just like you're showing on the screen.
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  I had a couple of translators behind me telling me what he was saying.
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  And so he could understand me because I don't I don't I don't understand ASL.
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  So, yeah, I've had some interesting podcasts.
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  I wish I could do more.
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  Time gets to be tight.
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  Well, let's talk about what you've been working on recently.
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  One of the first things I want to bring you on and ask you about, I think it's been a while, maybe a year and a half since we talked to you.
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  It's just so hard to keep up with everybody.
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  But you guys are doing some great work.
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  You're reaching people around the world with the gospel, thanks to the thing we all love and hate, technology.
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  And this specific one, Steve, Revelation Media and IMB are partnering to bring the gospel to the deaf community worldwide.
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  Friends, if you go to the website, revelationmedia.com, you can look at all the people that are not reached.
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  3.4 billion people.
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  unreached by the gospel uh 60 of those live in closed countries and let's talk about the deaf community 80 million deaf people worldwide approximately steve but you found a way to try to reach them with the gospel and what you're doing please lay that out for us
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  Yeah, I mean, you're right.
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  80 million people.
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  It makes it the largest unreached people group in the world.
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  But most deaf leaders believe it's over 100, maybe over 150, because a lot of countries don't report how many deaf people are in that country.
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  So China has a ton of deaf people in the country and amazing work outreach to them.
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  But the country doesn't report it.
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  They persecute people who reach out.
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  to deaf people, they closed deaf churches.
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  And so you have all these issues in China.
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  So we really don't know how big that community is, but we definitely know they're unreached.
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  They estimate only 2% of deaf people have been presented with the gospel.
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  And they're probably one of the people groups that are the most likely to receive Christ once they understand the gospel in a language they can understand.
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  And of course, for them, that language is sign language.
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  Wow.
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  And if you've been to an event with a translator, you know, there's somebody off in the corner.
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  If you watched a movie that has ASL attached to it, there's somebody in the corner, right?
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  We say a signer in the corner.
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  And some people ask me, why don't we just put subtitles?
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  But it's like, you know, a deaf person's language isn't English.
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  A lot of them are educated and can read, but that's not their language.
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  Their language is sign language and ASL is not English translated.
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  It's its own distinct language that they communicate in.
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  It is their heart language.
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  And I think it was about three years ago, we did the film Pilgrim's Progress.
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  We did it in ASL.
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  We added signers to the film.
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  We did it a little bit different, and we added signers beside the actors.
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  But it got to be a little cluttered and convoluted.
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  We showed it to the deaf community.
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  They loved it, but they said, can you just make the actors sign?
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  And our answer was no.
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  My face fell.
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  I felt really sad.
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  I didn't feel like we were that we were meeting their need.
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  And now just in the last weeks and months, we have we have crossed the bridge.
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  We've used technology and we have made it that we can our animated characters can now sign and they can sign in any sign language of the world.
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  Wow.
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  Years in the works is a burden on my heart.
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  I'm super, super excited about it.
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  IMB came behind us and they have a huge heart for signing.
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  And when we showed him what we could do, we showed him a clip last fall.
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  But even that was based on old technology.
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  So the character was signing, but it didn't look great.
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  And we actually developed, we kind of, I'll give you the secret sauce, because we want everybody to copy us, right?
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  We don't want to be exclusive.
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  Praise God.
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  I love film, and so we copied a technique in Hollywood.
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  So when Hollywood films a special effect, they film it at high speed.
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  It sounds counterintuitive to film something in high speed, but then they slow it down.
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  So they build a model set.
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  They want to blow up a bridge.
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  They build a model of a bridge, and they blow it up.
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  And if you run it in real time, it looks completely fake.
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  So they film it at high speed, and then they slow it down.
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  So these are high speed camera, and they slow it down.
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  And then it looks real.
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  We took that same approach when we filmed deaf actors is we film it in high speed because we need to see their hand movement.
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  And when you're moving your hands to in sign language and you're filming it at normal film speed, your hands are actually blurry.
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  Your eyes don't see the blur.
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  But if you freeze frame, you see the blur.
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  And it's called motion blur.
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  And when we put that into AI technology, we all love and hate AI technology, the technology saw the blur.
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  We don't see it, but it reads frame by frame and it saw the blur.
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  So it didn't know if the hand's supposed to do this or this or this.
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  And so we filmed it in high speed like four times faster than normal, fed all of these images into the AI custom built program.
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  And then it came back to us.
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  with about 90% accuracy.
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  Then we literally go and we have a host studio in India that goes frame by frame by frame, and we can clean it up.
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  And we can literally move a finger around frame by frame and we can fix it.
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  And now we've gotten to our animated character is signing the exact same way as the actor did.
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  And so any actor we can film in any sign language can now be applied to that animated character.
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  And we can produce films in sign language, true sign language where the actors are signing.
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  Really fascinating.
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  Amazing.
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  And just the timing of technology and, you know, catching up to what you guys are doing.
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  This is great.
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  It's exciting.
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  Like you said, a massive people group who are deaf that are being reached now.
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  Praise God.
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  So you mentioned IMB, the International Mission Board, and Revelation Media partnering with them.
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  Tell us a little bit about that.
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  So for people who don't know, IMB is the mission board of the Baptist Church or the Southern Baptist Convention.
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  So the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest group in the U.S. of Baptist churches, I think there are 40,000 churches strong.
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  They have IMB, which is all of their missionaries.
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  And we met with their leader.
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  And he was telling us they had a real heart for the deaf community, because they recognize it's the largest unreached people group.
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  And they said they were filming signers against a wall.
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  And so, you know, that's how we do signing for Bible scripture.
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  We get somebody and they memorize the signing for the scripture.
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  And I said, you know, in today's technology, that seems really, I said, forgive me for saying this, but that seems really lame.
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  And they came back to me and they said, well, it's actually if they even get that, because most don't even get the guy standing against the wall signing.
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  But can you imagine, could you imagine watching somebody reciting the Bible just standing there, how quickly, how boring and how interactive that would be?
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  They said, give us a chance.
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  Give us a chance to see what we can do.
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  And this was last fall.
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  And we did we used older technology.
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  It wasn't AI technology.
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  We actually filmed with seven cameras and the characters were a little bit hard.
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  They looked a little awkward.
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  They look kind of like computer game characters.
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  But they loved it because we had crossed the bridge.
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  We just didn't cross the bridge.
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  Yeah.
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  We crossed the bridge, but it just wasn't great.
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  People said it was great, but I didn't like it.
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  I thought it could be a lot better.
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  And then we were able to move it forward even further.
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  So they committed to match enough funding for us to do a pilot.
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  So we're doing Luke chapter one.
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  So we've taken an approved ASL script of the gospel of Luke.
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  and we're putting it into sign.
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  And so we don't have to go get debates on the script because it's already been done.
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  Our goal is to do the whole Gospel of Luke, all 24 chapters, and then to bring that to every possible sign language in the world.
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  And now that we have the system set up, yeah, it requires an expensive high-speed camera, but I mean, expensive compared to Bible translation.
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  It's not expensive at all.
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  And so we can bring that to nearly any country in the world
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  We only need two signing actors.
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  We need a male and we need a female.
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  And because male and female do sign differently.
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  And so we want a male to do, they can do all the male parts.
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  A female can do all the female parts.
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  And we can present the entire Gospel of Luke in any sign language of the world.
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  So, you know, we're not the translators.
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  Our job is to do the film and do the filmmaking and we'll go film the actors.
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  I think there are about 80 sign languages right now in production.
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  And I think we're gonna encourage them to do the Gospel of Luke first.
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  And there are about 350 sign languages total.
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  But I think, David, when they see that we can attach this to a video, they're going to be encouraged to do Luke first.
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  And they're going to be more encouraged to get it done because it's immediately going to go into a movie, four or five hours of movie for the deaf community.
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  It was the same thing with Jesus film, right?
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  So Jesus film came out.
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  Everybody said, let's do Luke first.
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  So Luke is the most insulated book of the Bible because of Jesus film.
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  Because we can immediately put it into a film.
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  And we have the same thing now is we'll be able to immediately put their translation to film and film to acting signers.
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  And yeah, I mean, it's I'm sorry, I'm getting worked up.
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  I get so excited about this because I'm excited about not doing things the old way.
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  Like, how do we do things?
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  Now, some of this wasn't possible.
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  I said three years ago, I told deaf leaders in an international conference.
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  I was nearly crying.
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  And I said, I'm sorry, I cannot meet your request.
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  I mean, you might as well just put a knife through my heart.
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  I hated saying that.
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  And I'm sitting in the room with deaf leaders from all over the world, about 60 of them.
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  And I came back, you know, three years later, just this past couple of months.
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  And I said, now we can do it.
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  Now God has given us a technology.
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  God has given us some resources and now we can do it.
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  They loved it.
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  We showed them a clip.
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  The clip we showed them was actually the old style that they loved.
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  And they haven't even seen the new style yet.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  I'm actually waiting for it.
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  I was supposed to have it at noon.
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  You know, it's I'm waiting for the latest clip.
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  It's a 40 second clip that I can start sharing with people because I finally like it.
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  You know, people say I'm too fussy, but now I like it.
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  It's something I want to watch.
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  And we had a complete soundscape.
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  to the movie because over 90% of deaf people live with hearing people.
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  And if the movie is just as silent, hearing people are not going to watch it.
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  But it doesn't disturb.
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  So you can meet both needs.
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  A deaf person can understand what they're saying.
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  We can narrate it with a great voice.
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  We can put a great music score behind it.
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  We can put sound effects.
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  And it meets the whole family.
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  It doesn't just have to be a deaf person.
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  This is so exciting, and I love your passion about it, Steve.
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  I know you have a heart for Jesus, for the gospel, but also for these people that are unreached.
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  And again, friends, approximately just 2% of deaf people are considered reached with the gospel, according to statistics.
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  I was going to mention your app.
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  There's an iBible app, right, in the app store that people can download?
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  Yes.
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  You can go to...
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  I mean, if you search it on Google, you're going to find us, the iBible app.
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  But if you go to the App Store or you go to the Android store, look for iBible by Revelation Media.
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  A lot of people use variations of Bible.
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  So look for iBible by Revelation Media.
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  The app's completely free.
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  We're about to release an update of it with all kinds of new content.
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  We're putting all our Pilgrim's Progress episodes on there.
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  We now work in 160 different languages.
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  And we're going to be putting torchlighters on there.
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  We're going to be putting our ASL content on there.
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  So the app really serves as a common ground for all our content.
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  And it's free.
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  And from there, Sunday school teachers, missionaries, churches can access it and use it.
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  Individuals can...
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  that individuals that want to access it.
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  So it becomes a one-stop shop for all of our content.
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  We'll eventually add download links in different formats.
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  So the app has been a little struggle.
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  Apps are a little bit hard for, you know, small missions like us to get off the ground.
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  But we're about to release version two of it.
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  It's a considerable improvement and we're going to double the amount of content that's on the app.
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  Awesome.
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  So, I mean, you partner with Voice of the Martyrs, Christianbook.com, so many others, and there's a lot on your website.
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  Now, I get your newsletter, and I also get Not the Bee.
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  The Babylon Bee is Not the Bee.
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  They put out a lot of stuff for you, but I get your newsletter.
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  Is there a place on your website—I'm just not seeing it plainly—that people can sign up for your news updates?
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  They sign up by email.
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  So most of our pages have an email sign up or most of our pages have contact us and you just give us your email updates.
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  We send out updates about five times a week.
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  Every Sunday, we email to, David, we email to about 4 million people.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  I'm glad you're reading it on not to be.
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  Every Sunday, we accomplish a mission program.
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  So, and we might, like a small one, maybe a missionary said, he's working in a persecuted area.
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  He said, we need motorcycles because sometimes we have to escape for our lives and Uber motorcycles, which is what they use there.
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  They won't get us when the Muslims are attacking us.
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  And if a Muslim who converts to Jesus gets beaten, they won't take that person to the hospital.
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  So could you please buy us a motorcycle?
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  And they sent me a picture of this.
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  I'm sorry to say this, but they sent me a picture of this cheap Chinese motorcycle they wanted to buy for like $2,000.
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  And I said, well, my answer is no to that Chinese motorcycle.
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  And I've grown up with motorcycles.
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  But I said, I will buy you three Yamahas.
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  Yamaha street dirt bikes that are made to go into these villages, we shipped them in from South Africa to Malawi, which is where we sent them.
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  We funded that program in 24 hours on a Sunday email that went that you saw to the Babylon Bee, to MyList, to NotToBe.
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  We're talking to others about taking on that email.
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  And the largest campaign we just completed was...
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  When the war broke out in February in Iran, they asked us, they said, we're actually not getting persecuted as much as we used to.
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  The guards are so busy running for their lives.
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  They don't have time to check us all.
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  Could you send us the real story of Jesus books based on the real story of Jesus short film that we did?
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  We had a goal of doing 50,000 books, and we put it out on the email, on the Sunday email.
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  People responded, David, we ended up doing a quarter million books before the fire happened.
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  The police started, raided our warehouse and stopped the program.
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  But we distributed it.
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  quarter million of, I have one here, of these in Farsi, not in English, obviously, in Farsi, we distributed a quarter of a million of them.
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  And now 100 people a day are calling in asking questions about God, Jesus, salvation.
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  Some of them just want to argue, but our people like it because they get a chance to talk about the gospel.
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  All of that happened on these Sunday email sent.
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  Uh, we, it was a $500,000 project.
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  It's the largest one we've done.
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  The motorcycle project was like 12,000.
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  Uh, so all over the place we're able to do our, our goal is when somebody comes and ask us for something, we can turn it on a dime and we can move quickly because we had such a short window of opportunity in Iran.
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  It was between the breakout of the war and the ceasefire, which is what, a couple months.
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  Wow.
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  And it was the only time in decades that the police weren't persecuting Christians as much, and the Christians were bravely went out and evangelized.
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  Wow.
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  We have no idea if people heard the gospel, came to Christ, or will come to Christ because of that.
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  But we estimate we reached a million people with these booklets, only because we could move super fast, only because of people on our email list that were willing to move quickly with us.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, praise God for that.
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  Yeah.
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  Steve, I want to mention you guys are a 501c3, and you're doing great work.
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  You're reaching where a lot of us cannot reach, where we cannot go with the gospel or with technology.
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  And you're reaching out these.
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  So I want to make sure you guys go to revelationmedia.com.
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  Revelationmedia.com.
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  They are a 501c3.
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  So support them if you're able.
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  I don't want to run out of time before I ask you about Nicodemus, The Life of Christ.
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  It's episode 16.
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  Is that the latest that you're doing or just came out?
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  We did, so we, you know, I talked to you about technology we use for ASL.
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  Before that technology, we used technology for our iBible episodes.
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  We were really, really struggling for two years with the animation.
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  We were using a gaming software platform, which other groups were also trying to use.
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  And we finally incorporated the right look.
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  We combined all of our assets built in the gaming platform.
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  We combined live actors and we combined custom AI programming.
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  And we were able to put that all together.
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  And it just came out, I mean, way better than I expected.
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  It came out beautiful.
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  We had some programmers that did this for us.
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  We have people that have since, you know, even the last six months have passed away
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  but people that dedicated like 16 hours a day of their time to help us develop a new pipeline.
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  And the Nicodemus scene was the first scene they did.
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  We sent it out to our donors.
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  We sent it out to people around the world.
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  The feedback was excellent.
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  People loved it.
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  So now we're in full production of The Life of Christ.
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  Nicodemus, we're working on 16 episodes.
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  Wow.
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  And the Nicodemus and Jesus episode will be the 16th.
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  And we're
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  We think we're going to be at 16 within the next nine months.
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  And the whole series is about 100 episodes.
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  We're releasing about one a month, and then we're going to go to one every three weeks.
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  Our goal is to get to one a week, which my staff is pulling their hair out, saying, how are we going to?
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  And I'm like, I don't know, but we need to get to one a week.
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  And we want to do the entire Bible.
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  It could be 1,000 episodes, but...
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  The technology is really, really helping us, but we don't go to AI, you know, like Gemini or AI programs and say, you know, do this scene of the Bible.
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  We have live actors, we have custom sets, we have custom programmers, we have AI integration.
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  to really make it to really make it communicate well and feel great.
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  And then we'll start doing all the translations.
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  So the life of crisis in production, Genesis is completed in old style animation to the hand drawn animation.
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  And we're actually just use some AI to color some episodes that weren't colored yet because we ran out of money.
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  But now we got a donation.
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  So what cost $500,000 now costs $50,000.
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  And we're coloring the episodes.
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  So we have 42 episodes of Genesis.
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  We're working on 100 episodes of Life of Christ.
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  Working on some other projects as well, but I know we're on a time limit.
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  No, that's okay.
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  I was just excited to see Nicodemus.
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  Why?
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  Because, I mean, that's where Jesus clearly says you have to be born again to enter the kingdom of God.
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  On 316th.
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  And God still loved the world, you know, and Nicodemus.
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  It's a great scene.
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  It is going on our iBible website.
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  We're going to start releasing one scene a week so people can go and they can see what we're up to.
• 23:01
  They can see the new scenes.
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  And these are all based on an authorized translation of Scripture, but a narrative translation.
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  So, yeah.
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  We are combining the Gospels.
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  Of course, Nicodemus found in John is unique to John, but we're combining all of these into a chronological merged Gospel presentation.
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  So you're getting the whole life of Christ all together.
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  And I'm telling you, when you merge the four Gospels together—
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  To me, it's a whole new story you're reading, and it's obviously the same story, but it's so much more beautiful.
• 23:36
  When you realize this event happened at this time, or you realize the fullness of an event, like even the temptation of Christ is taught in three Gospels, but all three Gospels reveal something unique that the other two don't.
• 23:49
  When you put them all together, it's like, I never realized the fullness of that story.
• 23:53
  I mean, it's great.
• 23:55
  That's what's great about the Gospels, because a skeptic would say, well, they're conflicting accounts.
• 24:01
  No, they all witness the same thing, but they have different facts or details, and they all come together to really fill up that story, right?
• 24:10
  Yeah, to me, you know, you can talk to theologians who say,
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  Each gospel is a different point of view when you learn different lessons from that.
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  I firmly believe that, but I'm not a theologian.
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  I'm a storyteller.
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  When I tell a story, I want everything I have on that story.
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  And so when you want everything you have, then you search everything.
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  A prophecy from the Old Testament, you search Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, you put it all together and...
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  It's an amazing story.
• 24:37
  And most people that do gospel films just do a single gospel.
• 24:41
  And by merging them all together, the story is so much fuller.
• 24:45
  It's not different.
• 24:46
  It's complete.
• 24:48
  And I absolutely love doing it that way.
• 24:51
  Awesome.
• 24:51
  Steve, you guys are on Instagram as well.
• 24:55
  I already mentioned the iBible podcast, what you're doing there.
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  We only have like two and a half minutes left.
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  Is there anything else, other projects you're working on?
• 25:05
  We already covered quite a bit of groundwork.
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  Just excited to get this update from you and find out what you guys are doing because you really are getting the gospel out there and the technology is changing, but it sounds like you guys are finding the right ways to get the best product out there.
• 25:21
  We have a lot of projects.
• 25:23
  So, you know, we talked about iBible.
• 25:24
  We talked about American Sign Language and being able to do other sign languages.
• 25:29
  I'm working on a short film on Jonah, the sign of Jonah, because in the Middle East, Muslims admired Jonah as a great prophet.
• 25:39
  And Jonah leads a perfect story to lead to Christ.
• 25:42
  So you watch 20 minutes of the story of Jonah.
• 25:45
  It's a very dramatic retelling of Jonah.
• 25:46
  And you get to Jesus saying the sign of Jonah and explaining who he is and explaining the resurrection.
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  So it's going to be a salvation message.
• 25:54
  We're also working on testing a movie without words.
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  So you have people that may be deaf and can't sign.
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  Or you have people that will maybe in our lifetimes will never get the gospel in their heart language.
• 26:08
  So I actually stole the idea from Shaun the Sheep.
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  I confess, I love the cartoon Shaun the Sheep.
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  My grandkids come over, I'm like, let's watch Shaun the Sheep.
• 26:17
  Shaun the Sheep, if you haven't watched it, go watch a clip, there's no words, but you love the story.
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  And I've talked to deaf people, they love it.
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  You don't need a singer, there's no words.
• 26:28
  You just get it all by facial expressions, by body language.
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  So we're trying that into a film.
• 26:34
  But in all that we're doing, it all has one purpose, like you said, to get the gospel out.
• 26:40
  And if we can be the front runners, you know, I can't do this for 30 years.
• 26:44
  I'm getting too old.
• 26:46
  We want others to learn.
• 26:47
  We just want to try things, be the front runners, and then let everybody else have it, run with it, and fulfill the Great Commission.
• 26:54
  That's what it's all about, right?
• 26:56
  Praise God, brother.
• 26:57
  Thank you so much.
• 26:58
  This has been so encouraging.
• 27:00
  And I'll tell you what, Jonah, that just sounds wonderful because you go from the story and then to why did Jesus say that's the only sign you're going to get?
• 27:09
  Just as he was, you know, three days and three nights, right?
• 27:12
  It's just phenomenal.
• 27:13
  I'm excited to see that.
• 27:15
  Well, you're the first person we've told.
• 27:17
  I've actually never released the information publicly.
• 27:20
  We had one donor who helped us get it started.
• 27:23
  We'll have to raise money to finish the film.
• 27:25
  But I'm not going to release it until January 2027.
• 27:29
  But I'm having a lot of fun with it.
• 27:30
  It's very static.
• 27:32
  The story is incredible.
• 27:33
  Oh, it sounds wonderful.
• 27:35
  Okay, friends, again, revelationmedia.com.
• 27:38
  Support them if you're able to.
• 27:41
  Steve Cleary, God bless you and all the work that you're doing.
• 27:44
  Thank you so much for your time today, sir.
• 27:45
  Thanks, David.
• 27:47
  All right.
• 27:48
  Friends, share this one.
• 27:49
  Thanks for your prayers.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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  See you next time.