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- 0:00No hospital sat around thinking, well, what can we do that'll
- 0:03prevent people from needing our services?
- 0:07No, they're a corporate entity. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 0:10They're not-for-profit. That's BSA, not-for-profit
- 0:14entity making millions of dollars per year.
- 0:17I'm sorry, I'm not buying that. Remember, you don't have health
- 0:21insurance. You have sick insurance.
- 0:23You need to put your focus on maintaining your health, and
- 0:26that means avoiding medicine, minimizing the encounter of the
- 0:31healthcare system, right? It's a sick intervention system,
- 0:35and if you're not really sick, they want you to think you are
- 0:38so that you will pay for their services.
- 0:40Just because you can do something doesn't mean you
- 0:41should. The fact that you're really good
- 0:43at something that doesn't matter anymore doesn't make it worth
- 0:47doing. There certainly are better ways
- 0:49to go about business than imposing harmful procedures.
- 0:57How can you tell? How do you know if those
- 1:00symptoms you're experiencing are the early signs of prostate
- 1:05cancer or the normal consequence of prostatic enlargement?
- 1:10As men get older, our prostate gland will gradually increase in
- 1:16size. That's normal.
- 1:19What about the symptoms and how can we discern this?
- 1:22It's very overlapping, so I'm going to help you out here.
- 1:25First, you cannot afford the price of a free prostate cancer
- 1:32screening test. Now, what do I mean?
- 1:35That's a boondoggle. If you ever see a hospital or
- 1:40urological Group, A charitable entity offering a free prostate
- 1:45cancer screening, it is just to suck you into the system, to
- 1:51make you do stuff you really don't need to generate profit,
- 1:55period. No hospital sat around thinking,
- 1:58well, what can we do that'll prevent people from needing our
- 2:02services? No, they're a corporate entity.
- 2:07Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not-for-profit.
- 2:08That's BS. You see the salary of these
- 2:11hospital administrators, a not-for-profit entity making
- 2:15millions of dollars per year. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that.
- 2:20And I've been on the inside, folks.
- 2:22I've seen the beast. They talk about the funnel.
- 2:26We need to get lives, right? So I was at a urological
- 2:30conference and there was a booth and they were promoting the
- 2:33fantastic free service, getting PSA testing out there for
- 2:39everybody. What's wrong with that?
- 2:42Early diagnosis is good, right? Not so quick.
- 2:46Not with the prostate. With the prostate and early
- 2:49diagnosis as an invitation for a horror show.
- 2:53But put that aside for a moment. The charitable booth is doing
- 2:56free PSA testing. OK.
- 3:00Yeah. Where's the money come from for
- 3:01that? Oh, what a shock.
- 3:03It's coming from pharmaceutical companies.
- 3:06Yeah. They don't make any money unless
- 3:10you're taking their drugs to treat prostate cancer.
- 3:15And it's hard to make money just treating sick people.
- 3:18This is the hidden dilemma. This is why these free testing
- 3:21things are such a boondoggle. So their cut off, in addition to
- 3:26being skeptical about their mission, the cut off, the PSA
- 3:31level that they shared with individuals that was at risk was
- 3:362 APSA of 2. Are you out of your mind if you
- 3:40have APSA of two? You do a cartwheel and you don't
- 3:43think about it. Why do they have two as a panic
- 3:47level or as a concern? Not panic or concerned level.
- 3:51They want to generate recurring activity, capitalizing upon our
- 3:56existential fear of death, of disease.
- 4:02It's horrible. Remember, you don't have health
- 4:06insurance, you have sick insurance.
- 4:08You need to put your focus on maintaining your health, and
- 4:11that means avoiding medicine as much as possible, minimizing the
- 4:17encounter of the healthcare system, right?
- 4:21It's a sick intervention system, and if you're not really sick,
- 4:25they want you to think you are so that you will pay for their
- 4:27services. Now let's get back to your
- 4:29prostate. It's kind of normal.
- 4:33As we age, the the bladder starts to lose some of its
- 4:37elasticity, so you will feel more of an urgency.
- 4:43The time from you feel the need to go to the bathroom until you
- 4:46actually have to pee tends to shorten.
- 4:49Now this can be trained men. You can use reflective
- 4:53meditative activities, bladder training to extend the intervals
- 5:00if you'd like, right Because the bladder you remember those of
- 5:03you that played sports or you had a big test coming up, or how
- 5:07about going out on a date or you got to call that girl and make a
- 5:10date. The all of a sudden you feel
- 5:12like you got to go to the bathroom, but you got to go.
- 5:14You got to go pee. What's going on?
- 5:16It's a sympathetic nervous system stimulating the bladder
- 5:18to contract. All right, that can be
- 5:21retrained. So it's normal to pee with a bit
- 5:25more frequency. You know what else is normal?
- 5:27Waking up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom.
- 5:30Majority of people over 50 start to have that experience.
- 5:35Does not mean prostate cancers in the wings.
- 5:38So how can you tell? Well, these are normal
- 5:42phenomena. If the perceived event of that
- 5:46is beyond the normal, you're getting up not once in the
- 5:49middle of the night, but three or four times.
- 5:52You're peeing not every few hours, but every 30 minutes.
- 5:56And you're you, you're not able to control it.
- 5:59That's not normal. Obviously, if you bleed, if you
- 6:03pee blood, that's not normal. So there are some thresholds,
- 6:07normal variants and then symptoms of concern.
- 6:11Here's another thing that is absolutely irrelevant and you
- 6:14should not allow anybody to do this to you.
- 6:17Prostate rectal exam. Can we just stop already?
- 6:21This is so 20 year old BS Look, I, I don't object to being
- 6:29thorough. I think it's a good thing.
- 6:32But really, this, this rectal exam, the studies have
- 6:36invalidated that. Clearly.
- 6:39I've done thousands of them. There's little to be gained
- 6:43other than discomfort. So just decline there.
- 6:46Could do a rectal exam, say. Well, doc, I'd prefer not.
- 6:50Can we skip that part? They will likely acquiesce.
- 6:53All right, so we don't do that. What do you do?
- 6:58And what makes sense? Well, the PSA test, but not that
- 7:032 cut off. Remember, this goes up
- 7:06naturally, men. It's going to go up every year
- 7:10in all likelihood. The goal is not to have it
- 7:13remain the same. That's not normal.
- 7:16The goal is not to have it go down.
- 7:18That's not normal either. You want to make sure that when
- 7:22you get your PSA test performed, you're well hydrated, you're not
- 7:27suffering any other illness, you're feeling good.
- 7:31If you're inflamed for any reason, any reason, you can have
- 7:35a chest cold, PSA is going to be elevated.
- 7:38If you had a couple of shots of tequila last night, you went to
- 7:42bed late, PSA is going to be elevated.
- 7:46Bad news, right? So be well rested.
- 7:48No ejaculation for two days before the test.
- 7:53At least 1-2 can be hard, right? At least one day before the
- 7:57test, no ejaculation. As much as possible, try to get
- 8:01the test done at the same lab. That's nearly impossible.
- 8:05Remember from one lab to the next the difference in PSA can
- 8:10be as much as 50%. So don't panic if they find this
- 8:14variability occur. So what does matter?
- 8:20APSA above 4 is an absolute made-up number and arbitrary cut
- 8:25off that really should be discarded.
- 8:28You have to put it in the context.
- 8:31What's your age? It's going to be higher as you
- 8:33get older. And what's your baseline?
- 8:37So when do I recommend that PSA should be done?
- 8:42If there's a high risk profile, family history, you've got other
- 8:47predisposing variables. If you're a diabetic, if you're
- 8:50obese, maybe get it age 40. And then what?
- 8:54How often That once a year is totally adequate.
- 8:57You don't want to chase it too often.
- 8:58Guys. What's normal?
- 9:01From age 50 to age 70, your PSA is going to go up on average 0.3
- 9:08nanogram per deciliter per year. So if you are 1.0 now, at age
- 9:1550, at 51, you're going to be 1.3 on average.
- 9:19Now bear in mind there's a lot of testing variability depending
- 9:23on what kind of test is done. Well, that extrapolates into an
- 9:27increase of 6 / 20 years. So from 50 to 70, let's say at
- 9:31age 50 or 4.5 and age 70 you're 10.5.
- 9:38That's kind of a normal trajectory, kind of normal
- 9:42prostate cancer. When it is significant, when it
- 9:46is high risk, when it is aggressive, you hear that term
- 9:50used by urologist, PSA numbers jump, they don't creep, they
- 9:56double. And when that happens, that's a
- 9:59sign of potential issues, not an indication.
- 10:03By the way, to get a biopsy. Please, if you haven't already,
- 10:06get my book. Read my book.
- 10:08Be prepared. This moment hits men like a pie
- 10:11in the face. I'm walking along.
- 10:13I feel fine. I go to the doctor.
- 10:15My PSA is 12. The next thing I know, they're
- 10:18shopping in the knives. They can redo that prostate
- 10:21biopsy thing. All right, so pause.
- 10:26What else can help? Well, we talked about the PSA,
- 10:29the rate of increase. Although I'm not a huge advocate
- 10:34of the new generation of prostate testing, all these
- 10:40tests have the same limitation. They're simply there to give you
- 10:46a direction toward a biopsy. I've already decided no biopsy,
- 10:53so the test has less value if and they're all Shades of Grey
- 10:58that is well could be might be odds are possibly percent
- 11:04invariably the Ural says, well, let's let's just do the biopsy.
- 11:07There is one test, however, that has the benefit of being a yes,
- 11:12no, no number, no gradient. Now in in monitoring
- 11:18circumstances, if you want to look at prostate cancer or it's
- 11:23risk being monitored, you do need the number.
- 11:25However, for those of you that are contemplating I'm having
- 11:30these symptoms, how do I know if it's benign prostatic
- 11:33hypertrophy or cancer? We talked about the rate of PSA
- 11:39increase. We talked about the symptoms.
- 11:41The EPI switch PSE test is a yes no test.
- 11:46It is a blood test that will come back, either low risk,
- 11:50don't worry about it, or high risk might be if it's low risk,
- 11:55it doesn't guarantee that it's benign, but it certainly tilts
- 11:59the field in your advantage. So if the rate of increase is
- 12:02modest, your symptoms are expected.
- 12:06That is, you know, occasional urgency, some nighttime
- 12:10urination, the vigor of urinary stream will diminish.
- 12:16You get past 60. Not too many of us are writing
- 12:19our name in the snow anymore. Those days are gone.
- 12:23I think every guy did that at some point, at least if you're
- 12:26up in the North sense of power. I don't know.
- 12:30Yeah, they're gone. That's not happening.
- 12:32What did you all do in the South?
- 12:34There was no snow to write your name in.
- 12:36Anyhow, we digress. Where was I?
- 12:39We're talking about the about the EPI switch test the PSC.
- 12:43So if it's negative, if it's low risk, that's comforting.
- 12:46PSA, slow trend, that's comforting.
- 12:50Depending on your psychosocial comfort level, you can stop
- 12:56right there. Do once a year PSA.
- 13:00If you choose to proceed, a prostate MRI is a reasonable
- 13:05consideration. Now you all know I like it
- 13:07without contrast and if you get that prostate MRI performed, it
- 13:13is normal for it to have nodules in it.
- 13:17So when a report comes back and all the other things align
- 13:21favorably for you and it says you know prostate gland has a
- 13:251.1cm nodule, 0.6 centimeter nodule.
- 13:33Not a panic moment guys. The nodularity often can be
- 13:37associated with benign prostatic hypertrophy.
- 13:40What about that Pyrad score that we talked about?
- 13:43There's a human element to interpreting the Pyrads.
- 13:47I'm going to explain it to you. It's a subconscious dynamic that
- 13:50I believe is at play. Picture the radiologist.
- 13:54He's looking at the MRI. The Pyrads is his judgement
- 13:59about how that picture looks? Yeah, he has criteria to help
- 14:02guide him, but ultimately he has to put a stamp on it.
- 14:06A Pyrid's three means, yes, probably not cancer A4 means
- 14:11might be cancer. A5 means yeah, I think it's
- 14:13cancer. A2.
- 14:15Yeah. We don't think this is cancer at
- 14:17all. In general, the subconscious
- 14:21drift is to tilt it toward a higher risk category.
- 14:26Why is that? Because no doctor, no
- 14:28radiologist wants to miss something.
- 14:32So if he's looking at it, could be a three, could be a four.
- 14:35I'm going to call it a four because I don't want to under
- 14:40diagnose an entity. If I call it a three and the
- 14:45urologist perceives that as being a comfort level and later
- 14:49on it turns out cancer happens in three or four years.
- 14:52I don't want to get caught with my pants or on my ankles.
- 14:55The guy that sort of dropped the ball, they perceive, right, this
- 14:59is subconscious at play, but I believe it's a real thing.
- 15:02Now go on to the urologist and he looks at a four and he
- 15:05thinks, well, I've got a biopsy that so you can see how this
- 15:08dynamic plays out. My advice is to be very slow in
- 15:14reaction. An elevated PSA, an abnormal
- 15:18prostate MRI is never a panic moment.
- 15:21You have time and you can also monitor it over months, even
- 15:27years. Is it benign?
- 15:29Is it cancer? Can it change?
- 15:31Can a benign prostate ultimately develop cancerous cells?
- 15:36Yes, in fact, it's my personal goal to develop prostate cancer
- 15:42cells within my gland someday. No, I'm not an idiot wishing
- 15:47horrible things upon myself. But I know the majority of men,
- 15:51if we live long enough, we're going to develop those cancer
- 15:54cells inside the gland. Now think about that for a
- 15:58moment. What makes prostate and prostate
- 16:01cancer so utterly unique, so different from any other form of
- 16:06cancer, is its inevitability. The majority of people will end
- 16:12up with these. If you live past 90, which I
- 16:15hope you do, you're going to get them inside the gland.
- 16:18There's no other cancer that you can say that about.
- 16:20Nobody would say, yeah, you know, if you live long enough,
- 16:22everybody, nearly the majority of people that is, are going to
- 16:27get, you know, cancer cells within the lung or the liver or
- 16:30the colon or the breast, totally abnormal.
- 16:35Not so for the prostate. So benign prostatic hypertrophy,
- 16:41it happens. We'll talk about what you could
- 16:43do. There are some things that have
- 16:45value reducing the inflammatory response.
- 16:50But today's focus is on discerning the symptom and
- 16:55analyzing how to proceed. Don't get swept up in the
- 16:59hysteria. And it is hysterical, the fear
- 17:03factor, the profit gouging. That's a little bit harsh, maybe
- 17:08not profit gouging. Let's just say the incentivizing
- 17:14to do things. Given a choice between doing
- 17:17nothing and doing something, most doctors try to do something
- 17:23that's not always good. You're the one that needs to put
- 17:27a brake on the system. You're the one that needs to
- 17:29protect yourself from iatrogenic adverse consequence.
- 17:34Simply put, being hurt, killed, or otherwise harmed by medical
- 17:41intervention, it's a known thing.
- 17:45Going to the doctor can be a dangerous experience.
- 17:48Not knocking docs, I am 1 after all.
- 17:51Yes, I've hurt my share of folks over the years, but we try to
- 17:55minimize that, and the way we do that is by temporizing our zeal,
- 18:00our impulse, our desire to do stuff because we can.
- 18:07Once Upon a time, women would get Pap smears when they became
- 18:11sexually active and we found abnormal cells on those Pap
- 18:15smears. We would then cut out the
- 18:18surface of the cervix to protect them from progression towards
- 18:22cervical cancer. We thought we were doing a good
- 18:26thing. Cut out the cervix.
- 18:28Woman doesn't get cervical cancer.
- 18:31We found out decades later that were harming young women that
- 18:36those abnormal cells never grew up in a cancer.
- 18:39They tended to go back to normal.
- 18:42Decades of damaging women's cervix for no benefit till we
- 18:47figured it out. This is not uncommon in medicine
- 18:51because we can do something. We sometimes get swept up.
- 18:55When I was a resident back in the Army, we used to work in the
- 18:58intensive care unit. I felt really, really cool
- 19:02because baby, I could swod a Swan Ganz catheter beautifully.
- 19:07It was a catheter that would go into the artery, into the heart.
- 19:11We can measure the output. We can measure the stroke.
- 19:14It was fantastic numbers, and we would study those numbers.
- 19:18We would adjust the drug therapy based on the Swan Ganz numbers.
- 19:23Yeah, we found out decades later we were hurting people.
- 19:27Putting those catheters in was damaging people.
- 19:31Even though we like the numbers, this is not uncommon in the
- 19:36realm of medicine. It tends to be we get enamored
- 19:40of numbers in pursuit of things. So bring it back to the
- 19:43prostate. Just because you could do
- 19:46something doesn't mean you should.
- 19:48If a urologist is pleased with their skill in doing a biopsy,
- 19:54they're very happy about a procedure that should be done
- 19:57away with. The fact that you're really good
- 19:59at something that doesn't matter anymore doesn't make it worth
- 20:02doing. All right, that's a bold
- 20:05statement on my part, but I believe I'm right.
- 20:08I believe the research supports my impressions, and there
- 20:12certainly are better ways to go about business than imposing
- 20:16harmful procedures. Well folks, here's wishing you.
- 20:20Many long years and men. Yeah, let's plan on getting
- 20:25prostate cancer in our Glen. Let's plan on living with it.
- 20:27Let's plan on dying with it. Let's plan on living past 100.
- 20:32All right, till next time, thanks for watching.
- 20:35Keep up with the podcast and go get my book.
- 20:38All right, bye now.