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Ep. 4026 The Battle to REBUILD the American Mind Has BEGUN!!! · Turley Talks

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  [SPEAKER_00]: The liberal globalist order is on its brink and awakening a new conservative age.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Steve Turley, join me every day as we discover answers to today's toughest challenges and explore the re-bondalization of conservative civilization.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is Turley Talks.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He gang, it's me, Dr. Steve coming to you from Atlanta at the repairing the ruins conference for the Association of Classical Christian Schools.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Many of you know I was in classical education for 20 years and I'm back, back for the first time in five years.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I am with the president of ACCS David Goodwin.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: David co-wrote a book with our wonderful Secretary of War, Pete Higgs at the Battle for the American Mind, number one New York Times Best Seller, and he's got a new book.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The forging, the forging of the American mind just came out, I believe, just awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome with a forward by Pete Pegseth and David has been doing some pretty amazing things behind the scenes of restoring our culture with the Trump administration.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he can get a little bit into that, but I know he's got to be a little clandestine there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So good seeing you, man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's great and it's such an honor for you to be here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It is an honor for me to know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an honor to have you here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We have not been able to hear from you for quite a while because you found another gig.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Found another gig.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go back for some great talks here on Beauty and on the Christian civilization.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's I'm excited to hear it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we were talking ahead of time, my colleague there said, I had to button my shirt.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've got the casual look, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the president.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's got the formal look.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought you should unbuttonly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You see?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: See, this is what being unemployed feels like.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If I were part of the school, I'd have to look like this, but you guys support me, so I can dress anyway I want.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there are other reasons to dress well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There are other reasons to dress well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There are other reasons to dress well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I dressed for your comfort not mine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I forgot that one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You're the guy I am beauty.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What would I say now what I do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us about the forging of, forging the American mind.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What did you, uh?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so what happened, um, it was a little unexpected for us, uh, Battle for the American mind was a New York Times number one best seller, which is, uh, I guess in accomplishment.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the real surprise for the editors and the people worked on the project is that it's a book on education, as far as we can tell it's at least
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the best selling book on education in 20 years.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it really set the tone out there for a lot of people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The end of Battle for the American Mind was a story of Pete and his work as a counter insurgency officer in Afghanistan.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we were talking about how similar that is to our work in the classical Christian world, restoring civilization, and sort of an insurgency.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it from the grass roots.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I know your show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I listen to it often, and that's what it's about, all facets.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So the educational piece is a big piece of this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they wanted a book to explain how to do it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to launch a an insurgency, you need a field guide, an army field guide.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, Pete writes the forward to this, connecting this book as an army field guide for the classical Christian insurgency.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you have quite the...
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the endorsement is from the the battle of the american mind charlie kirk before he passed away kaley met past away listen to the man before he was murdered kaley uh... mac and any victor davis hands in john macarthur mark livin really uh... rock stars of uh... the uh... american tv movement
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just want to think a little more broadly here because you and I just came back from Brazil, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We were just together a couple of weeks ago, did a bunch of videos from Brazil and Sao Paulo.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we got to see firsthand what do you want to call it?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This miracle that's going on there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I taught at a classical school for 20 years that never went beyond 250 students.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: 200 fiducius is like where they start and then they just explode to a thousand and then they have waiting lists of 300.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There were no classical schools back in 2018.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now there's doesn't, you know, 40, 50, 60.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you make of what's going on out there?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well in Brazil, it's hard to say.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we know that
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  [SPEAKER_01]: when Bolsonaro was deposed, I'm not going to tell it on my skin.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're Bolsonaro.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when he and in prison, right, right, we saw a shadow of what could have happened in this country.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We think too much.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he was almost killed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He was almost assassinated.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He was stabbed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So what you're seeing in Brazil is that the people who've had
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  [SPEAKER_01]: who've lost in this fight for culture and civilization are still fighting on in the schools and they're far more motivated than I think even we are in the country and we need to learn from that because if we can do it now before you're under persecution like they are yeah we'll be in a lot better shape that's for sure it is astonishing I remember when I was out there in 2018 they were all home
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they said, you know, home schooling is a legal here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, so how are you, how are you doing it?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they just smiled and said, oh, let's see them enforce it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you're my peeps, man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is cool.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That is based.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the impetus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the disposition you're dealing with there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're fighters.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're not afraid.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we learned a few lessons here, and we did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We did bring back to the states and say, hey, we got to step up our game.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a second largest, christian population in the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Second to us, fastest growing evangelical population.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So 40 percent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's huge.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's huge.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's huge.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A Protestant.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that isn't to say anything negative toward our Catholic brother.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: often times in those cultures, there's a lot of nominalism.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a lot of lively Christianity.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He was very powerful.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Very, and Bolsonaro did was benefited from that, from that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's sort of called it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're their version of the Christian right kind of thing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned, I love the term you talked about in terms of sort of their civilizational fight civilizational renewal and so on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think it's important for us to think about education more from that civilizationalist than at point in recovering civilizational
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  [SPEAKER_00]: rather than just, you know, accreditation, getting a good job, that kind of stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think classical education, one of the things that's gratifying, I know you taught in it for many years, I think gratifying is truly a gift that keeps on giving, because there is a certain sense of personal piety to it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, personal virtue and one there, becoming a lifelong learner, those sorts of things that you
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you get from it as a person who's gone to a classical Christian school, but it doesn't end there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It moves on in as you're an adult and it civilizes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It brings about collectively a civilizing impact.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We did a study in 2019 called the Good Soil Study.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: One of them, it compared ACCS graduates with five other types of school graduates, public schools, Catholic schools, evangelical schools, homeschools, et cetera.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that stood out was that influence was much, much higher.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So influence was measured by how many people that they knew who were in the influence of positions like senators, congressmen, local politicians like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The state was done to the University of Notre Dame, so they have ways of measuring these things, but the influence of classically educating kids is so much higher than the influence of index for other schools that from a civilizational standpoint, we can punch above our way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's brilliant.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a phenomenal way of being able to measure it, get some objective data there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of influence.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You and I were chatting into the wee hours last night.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You were telling some amazingly insightful stories about just the way you are working very deliberately behind the scenes in DC to bring classical education to all new spheres of society.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, it's a wonderful secretary of war who I told you we effectively refer to
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  [SPEAKER_00]: After JD at 48, Marko at 49, we got Higgs at the 50.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can you give us a sense?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he co-wrote the Battle for American Mind.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very much part of classical education recognizes its civilization, its renewals, significance.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he seems to be bringing that to the war department.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What can you give us a little insight in what's going on there?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's hard to get into CPT these days.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the secretary, I should tell him by his formal title, but I do get to see him once in a while.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he is so committed.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He, I was in his office once when he said, you know, the real fight's going on in the school.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The, the award department is an honor to serve and he's good at it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing great work there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When I have brushed by some of the people that are coming and going in those areas, I guess what I can say is I don't have an insider's view, but I have a close enough view that I can say Trump has brought in a whole category of people that Washington doesn't know what to do with.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because thank God.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: not only real, but it is a far more integrated mesh of, you know, like tangled up pine than you can even imagine.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which you were explaining last night blew my mind.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're cutting the strings and they're working it through.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm encouraged by that and discouraged by the fact that it's a bigger mess than I was a voter who lives
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked, what they're having to, the uphill battle that they're having to fight and how good they are at trying to get it done.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, people say education is the investment that he's the most involved in education and defense department.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, the Department of War, I'm going to get in trouble again for that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The Department of War, he is the first secretary, as I understand it, to put as much energy into the educational varieties of the Department of War involving the service academies involving a number of other sort of
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  [SPEAKER_01]: potential educational projects.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They have, I mean, trillions of dollars in defense, you've got all kinds of projects.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, and then there's a system of schools that serves the servicemen on foreign bases mostly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that system is under transformation, as we speak that, from within, as they continue to work and improve the education for our servicemen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a privilege to know him, it's a privilege to continue to seem to work.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I can only ask your listeners if your believers pray, pray for him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Pray for him because he is on a mission and he knows how to fight.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's civilizationalist, and he's not just coming in as an expert.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: military warfare and so forth.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He recognizes, no, I'm overseeing sort of a micro nation around the world, spreader all around the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we have to take care of the hearts, the minds, the souls of that nation, those citizens.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And what you were telling me last night
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We need six more years, just to get back to where it was before Biden got there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I think.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of that is just because the left has a much more sinister mind than I think Conservatives tend to.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they figured out how to wrap everything up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: in bureaucratic tape, so it's hard to get open.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Reminds me of the shire, you know, they forgot what evil was.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't comprehend more, though.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I came across a term you're to love.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know you'll love it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The narrative state.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How's that?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was coined by the British scholar David Goodwin, or Matthew Goodwin, your day good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping it was me, because I have no idea what it means.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Matthew Goodwin.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we were up very late last night, by the way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You were up later than I was.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's supposed to capture the way
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  [SPEAKER_00]: aligns itself with the media in order to create stories to persuade their population towards progressive causes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so the particular event he was talking about was how the BBC worked with Westminster to plant
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  [SPEAKER_00]: immigrants into a live audience so that during the Q&A, the televised Q&A, they could present all of these sympathetic stories.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then they tested to see how persuasive it was to a select group.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's calling it the rise of the narrative state, actually trying to shape and form opinion through story.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly what we're doing here, but we're doing it from the vantage point of civilization, the vantage point of the re-awakening of Christenum and so forth.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How important is story and narrative in myth, in shaping?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the American mind, and how is classical education sort of reasserting those stories?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the left would love it if we forgot that stories drive everything.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, in terms of our cognition and how we think about things.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, you're nice sitting here at a classical conference.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be remiss if I didn't go back to Rome.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we all know, Virgil wrote the Indian.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The Indian was written to tell a new narrative to the Roman people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they would be inherently Roman and great because the Greek culture was still dominating Rome at the time the Caesar was started to rise with an early empire and they needed a story.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So the trick is as old as the Caesar is.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's tele narrative the way you want to start to be told.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that means funny because it's like, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Troy fell, but it's the real hero of the story.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's follow Troy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then see how it is.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Rome, Rome, Rome, and this is the new this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was what Troy always wanted to be, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so what we've got is right now, we have media that can tell stories and TikTok, perform, and then short form, and then long.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it can be distributed immediately.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're much more vulnerable to new stories.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you didn't have a like virtual virtual died writing me in the end if I recall.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, 2000.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a very sad tree B.C.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you consider one of the best epic poems ever written.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was a lot slower for the seasons.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They took a while for, you know, for that to get out there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They can change the narrative.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: right on a dime right right and they do the left is keen to tell you a new story as soon as their old one wears out in terms of evidence that it's a lie right uh they tell a lie they tell it to the story let's say tell us that somebody's oppressed uh there's some of the oppression of these these people are right what is causing their their um
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Their misery and that story creates enmity between both parties and you've got your polarity that you need in cultural marches And create class warfare Yep, and then we're at each other's folks and we can't civilize so we're gonna globalize right, right, and that's the Narrative that they keep telling us now, right, but When that starts to get thread there
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  [SPEAKER_01]: they'll switch it up.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When I was in college it was about economic Marxism.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And telling us that the bestmost of justice, yeah, equitable, is socialism.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then that died off when socialism failed in so many places.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they changed in there.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now they're changing it back.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a dummy.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So municipal socialist.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: racial enmity for a long time and now they're shifting back to the right.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So cultural and affordability, you know, under different guises, but you're right.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it the way it's shifts is astonishing.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I was just watching an Uber commercial.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're now it it assures all women
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: all women that you can you can get a woman Uber driver if you can if that's what you want you got and I'm thinking these are the same people that don't even know what a woman is I mean yeah what what narrative are you telling me of it and just like you know and of course
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a woman driver that shows up in the commercials.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're just a quintessential female.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just biologically obvious, but wait a minute.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought, last month, I was celebrating the fact that it's fluid and the so it's just the same.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fantasy, I used this term occasionally.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the they thought that we know that the progressive favorite line.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: They used to think that men were men and women were right right now.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know right that is a social concept right they thought just like that.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that and so it's the they thought but we know
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny because it's the same people.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they in the weird way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The same thing, right?
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, there is a little kind of us.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a friend of you there.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rapping it up, how we're about optimism here and building and so forth.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: How confident are you that from what you're seeing here with this classical Christian movement exploding not just here, but around the world that it's all part of actually more
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: renewal that's going on.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very optimistic because our Lord promises us that he will not leave her for safety.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we are in a fight that he wants us to win.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now when we win is in his time.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can't know that.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we know that we will win.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: The question becomes can we attract
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: more to the fight right and we bring in folks that end of the battle who will help us start more schools who will come alongside maybe start one themselves I know it doesn't sound you know we use battle warfare kinds of things as a metaphor we're really talking about the hearts and minds of kids right and I'm optimistic that if we it
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: there's no losing if even just our own kids right turn out normal right right that's well how could people keep up with your work David I know I think you have a sub-stack don't you do I'm on sub-stack they've a good one I think it's called classical Christian times on there
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly I do some work on sub-stack.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of our work right now is being routed to battleforschool.org.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, battleforschool.org on the culture warfighting.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Call some fight and then of course forging the American Mindheds its own website as well.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can go to Amazon if you want to get the book.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: forging the American, my part two to the battle for the American, in my mouth.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Forward by Pete Heggseth, Pete is a big proponent of classical education.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: He co-wrote the first book and so and did the forward for the second book.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So dude, it is awesome being back with you, man.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, David.
• 24:39
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