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Almost Famous In Depth: Olivia Caridi · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.
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  Speaker 1: It's another almost famous in depth podcast. My wonderful co
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  Speaker 1: host Ashley I Ken Eddie is sitting on the mic
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  Speaker 1: is well, I think you know what. COVID has kept
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  Speaker 1: us apart for too long. Actually it's been a very
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  Speaker 1: long time. But you know what's great. We have this
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  Speaker 1: thing down pat for when you go back on tour.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be so good. Actually, this isn't in depth
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  Speaker 1: and I want to sit the mood a little bit here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting right now in Denver, Colorado. There is a
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  Speaker 1: storm outside, a beautiful storm that we don't get very often,
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  Speaker 1: so it's thundering. I'm feeling very what I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say. It's like very kind of like cozy and
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  Speaker 1: like just kind of like not melancholy, but just very
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  Speaker 1: relaxed because this is the place I want to be
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  Speaker 1: right now, Like I really want to be here and
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast with you. So I poured myself a
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  Speaker 1: glass of wine. I'm drinking a stole Pan or Stolpman
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  Speaker 1: Vineyards Savanne Blanc chilled two thou eighteen, which was a
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  Speaker 1: great year, vintage two thousand eighteen, Ashley, you're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: get yourself a glass of wine in a second, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And I know our guest on this week's In Depth
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  Speaker 1: is enjoying a glass of wine as well. Before I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned her name, I want to introduce her really quick
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  Speaker 1: to all of us. Ashley and I are honored, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: honored to be talking with somebody who has been the
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  Speaker 1: conversation of a lot of people over the last week.
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  Speaker 1: She is courageous and uh she is a trendsetter. She
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  Speaker 1: is the host of the mouthing Off podcast on CBS Radio.
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  Speaker 1: She was also a participant on the twentieth season of
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  Speaker 1: The Bachelor. Let me say that was a great season.
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  Speaker 1: Uh um, Olivia Creedy, Welcome to the In Depth Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with Ashley Cheers. I also love us saving on blanc.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I have to always must be chilled. So
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  Speaker 1: it feels like we should just like pour our favorite
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  Speaker 1: glass of one or your favorite drink if you're if
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  Speaker 1: you don't drink alcoholic beverages, or you're under the age
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  Speaker 1: of twenty one, put yourself I guess sparkling water. Uh. Back,
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  Speaker 1: We're just gonna hang out and talk everything, Olivia, which
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  Speaker 1: is going to be really fantastic. Okay, here, where should
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  Speaker 1: we begin. We're gonna begin where we usually do, and
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  Speaker 1: that is that you're the beginning of your childhood. Tell
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  Speaker 1: us where you were born and about all the most
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  Speaker 1: important members of your immediate family. Yeah. So I was
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  Speaker 1: born in New York City, in Manhattan, but my parents
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to be there very long because apparently they
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  Speaker 1: lived in an apartment complex and my mom had to
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  Speaker 1: put knee pads on me because I kept sneaking out
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  Speaker 1: of the the apartment and like people just kept finding me,
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  Speaker 1: like in the hall away and so were the doors
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  Speaker 1: open to us? I mean, who knows, so they were.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, I can't live here anymore. I plus
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  Speaker 1: it's too cold. So my dad said, oh, well, I
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  Speaker 1: know of one place in the world I've lived. My
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  Speaker 1: dad went to medical school in Austin, Texas, so kind
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  Speaker 1: of blindly they moved me and my sister Page to
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  Speaker 1: Austin and we've been here since two thousand and my
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  Speaker 1: dad started his own plastic surgery practice here and uh,
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  Speaker 1: we've been quarantined here for what three months now, four
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  Speaker 1: months now? So but yeah, we I grew up basically here.
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  Speaker 1: I would consider uh played volleyball my whole life. That
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  Speaker 1: was like my thing. My sister and I shared that bond.
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  Speaker 1: Uh what else? I mean, let's see, growing up, I
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  Speaker 1: was kind of a work and I was really really overweight,
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  Speaker 1: and so that really really overweight. It was pretty bad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like I have a memory, my my. We moved to
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  Speaker 1: Austin when I was in second grade and I made
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  Speaker 1: one best friend and then as I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: getting fatter, he came up to me in the library
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  Speaker 1: one day and said, you know, I can't I can't
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  Speaker 1: be friends with you anymore because people are like laughing
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  Speaker 1: because you're fat. And I was like, but then I
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  Speaker 1: had the most amazing transformation. Came back to middle school
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  Speaker 1: and I was a fox. How did you transform? My
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  Speaker 1: mom basically put me into sports and was like, let
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  Speaker 1: me just try anything. And it turns out that I
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  Speaker 1: really liked volleyball, and um, of course, like as you
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  Speaker 1: grow taller, you kind of even out a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So that was also lucky too, like I had a
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  Speaker 1: growth spurt where I went from I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: five ft to five ten or whatever, and then it
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  Speaker 1: kind of evened out. But that was definitely like my childhood.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of like, but it was really fun.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, high school is great. I went to college
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  Speaker 1: at TCU UM and it was a sorority girl and
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  Speaker 1: did broadcast journalism just like you, Ashley, And yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Then I was a news anchor, as I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about, and then I went on The Bachelor. Was great.
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  Speaker 1: You always been like kind of more extroverted, more really know. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what's weird is I'm super introverted with people I'm not
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with, but like with the people I know, I
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  Speaker 1: am the loudest, goofy ist, weirdest human being on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just a conundrum. Like I'll go to a
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  Speaker 1: party and stand in a corner and be really nervous
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  Speaker 1: the whole time if it's like a thing where I
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  Speaker 1: don't know people. But if it's like ten of my
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  Speaker 1: closest friends. Oh man, yeah, I'm jumping out of a cake.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's great. Yeah, you're jumping out of a cake.
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  Speaker 1: That's definitely one of our similarities. I'm an introvert extrovert,
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  Speaker 1: not the jumping out of the cake. But if I'm
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  Speaker 1: uncomfortable in an environment, it's hard to make me comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it's brutal, and like I I don't
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  Speaker 1: ever think I'm that awkward, but like I certainly am
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  Speaker 1: pretty awkward when I'm uncomfortable. Isn't that funny that you
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  Speaker 1: and I have that quality? And yet we got into
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  Speaker 1: broadcast journalism and we liked being on count of percent.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so weird. It's like I feel completely myself
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  Speaker 1: when I'm on camera, when I'm on a microphone. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I remember I kind of got like slapped on the
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  Speaker 1: wrist a little bit of my old news station because
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  Speaker 1: I would kind of make jokes on air and kind
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  Speaker 1: of like flirt with my co anchor a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and and like I just felt so good on air.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the minute I'm off, I'm just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't know. We'll still figuring
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  Speaker 1: it out. We're going to skip ahead a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and then backtrack. Uh, it's gonna be like the Michael
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  Speaker 1: Jordan documentary. The timeline is not really good. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense, but it's still great. But it's still
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  Speaker 1: going to get Ukay. I've been super just curious personally
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  Speaker 1: after The Bachelor, why don't you get back into like
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  Speaker 1: being on camera as an anchor. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was a combination of things. I honestly was just
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  Speaker 1: so terrified of cameras after the fact that I just
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  Speaker 1: didn't even want to be anywhere near them. And then
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  Speaker 1: I did send my Ashley, you know, my real to
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  Speaker 1: some news stations and I was getting, you know, some
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  Speaker 1: bites as we call it. But then people are like,
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of like a pr nightmare, and we don't
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  Speaker 1: really I think that we can. Yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I was sitting here thinking everyone's talking about me.
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  Speaker 1: At least you'd think if you brought me on that
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  Speaker 1: your ratings would go up. But that's what I was
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  Speaker 1: just thinking. Yeah, but apparently people weren't willing to risk that,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, I um got a lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: And then at some point I just was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this isn't going to happen right now. And now
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  Speaker 1: it's been what four years, four years, as Chris Harrison
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  Speaker 1: said many times, you were a twenty three year old anchor.
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  Speaker 1: You were in southern Virginia, right, it was a small market,
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  Speaker 1: But to be a twenty three year old anchor is impressive.
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  Speaker 1: How did you get that far so fast? Oh? My gosh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when I was hired at w c y B,
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  Speaker 1: which was the station, I just was a general assignment reporter,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, I was I had to carry my camera,
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  Speaker 1: I did everything on my own, sweating out there in
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  Speaker 1: the field. Um. And then I guess at one point
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  Speaker 1: they were looking for a morning weekend news anchor and
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  Speaker 1: they were like, Olivia, do you want to do this?
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  Speaker 1: And I said sure, so yeah. I remember the first
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  Speaker 1: newscast I was shaking the entire time. I probably messed
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  Speaker 1: up a ga jillion times, but I guess it ended
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  Speaker 1: up working out. And then they said we want to
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  Speaker 1: bring you on to the evening news and I just
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening right now? And and
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I was filling in for
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  Speaker 1: anchors during the week, which you know is a huge deal,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, I really don't I don't really know.
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  Speaker 1: I developed a great friendship with my news director, who
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  Speaker 1: really gave me a ton of advice and watched all
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  Speaker 1: of my footage and said, hey, you know, you do
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  Speaker 1: this weird thing with your eyebrow. You need to stop that.
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  Speaker 1: And so we just like talked a lot, and then
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  Speaker 1: I just kept going and it was great. It was
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  Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, I know we're sticking in this for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Again, one doesn't matter. Do you ever
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  Speaker 1: in a second way to jump into talking about your
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  Speaker 1: time on the Bachelor and kind of will let up
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  Speaker 1: to it. But do you ever regret leaving that job
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  Speaker 1: to do the Bachelor? Now? I mean obviously yes, because
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  Speaker 1: I was really good at it, and I could see
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  Speaker 1: myself like if I hadn't done that, maybe I could
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  Speaker 1: be like in an in a big market doing something cool.
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  Speaker 1: But when I really think about the job, right, like
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  Speaker 1: we're working twelve hour days, your life never really turns off.
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  Speaker 1: You're always trying to get your next story. And and
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  Speaker 1: I was only making like twenty thousand dollars a year,
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  Speaker 1: like I could barely afford to sleep on a couch.
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  Speaker 1: And then you move another another year later and you
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  Speaker 1: maybe make like thirty five thousand dollars. Like it's just
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  Speaker 1: not to to say no one should ever want to
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  Speaker 1: do broadcast, but it's it's definitely like, um, it can
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  Speaker 1: be a tough field. It's such hard work. It's such
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  Speaker 1: little pay. It's like being a little pay, it really is,
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, it's an important job. It's important,
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  Speaker 1: but it's you know, only so few people make it
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  Speaker 1: to that like highlight point of like oh I'm on
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  Speaker 1: NBC or whatever, like you know, that's one in a
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  Speaker 1: million chance that's going to happen. And so that was
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  Speaker 1: always kind of what I wanted. And then I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not making any money. I can't survive, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So yes and no, yes and no. Is that why
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  Speaker 1: you know? Actually I've never asked you this, and this
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  Speaker 1: is Olivia's podcast, but it's interesting to talk about. Is
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  Speaker 1: that why you never got into it? Yeah, So leaving
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  Speaker 1: grad school, they were basically like you all have to
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  Speaker 1: start at a very tiny market in the middle of nowhere,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I am not moving to the
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  Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. I was like, I'm gonna go to
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  Speaker 1: l A get into that scene, and I just have
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  Speaker 1: that positive outlook and drives. I know I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to figure out my own way of doing it,
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  Speaker 1: and people my classmates would always be like, Ashley, how
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  Speaker 1: are you going to do this? This is ridiculous And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, don't worry, I gotta figure it out, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And you did it, girl. Well, both of you are
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  Speaker 1: extremely accomplished uh within your background of education oliving. You
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  Speaker 1: graduated uh kum Alata with a degree in journalism from TCU,
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  Speaker 1: So like you were, I mean, no wonder you skyrocketed
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  Speaker 1: to the anchor seat fast. I mean, actually, obviously you
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  Speaker 1: know we've got our masters, but you are extremely good
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  Speaker 1: at what you do. I mean, I'm obviously like it's
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  Speaker 1: hard work, but I say this as humbly as possible.
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  Speaker 1: I worked my ass off in college. I had three jobs.
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  Speaker 1: I was the executive editor of our online you know,
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  Speaker 1: news platform. I worked with the newspaper, I had a
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  Speaker 1: TV internship. Like I had no time to party, which
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  Speaker 1: I in hindsight wish I had spent more time doing.
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  Speaker 1: But like, I worked really hard. So I did feel
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  Speaker 1: like when I did get a job right outside of college,
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, I earned this, like this is the right.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I moved to the middle of nowhere, which
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  Speaker 1: ended up being the most fun thing in the whole world,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, but I'm sure I moved into Bristol, Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: Never heard of it, don't know what it is. It
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  Speaker 1: is on a guy Co commercial though, So really it's
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  Speaker 1: always those it's always those moves where you're super scared
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  Speaker 1: that it turns out to be the best. I was
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  Speaker 1: like when I went to grad school in Syracuse, I'm like, okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: when I went to college, I knew people that were
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  Speaker 1: going to be at my call. You know, I was
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  Speaker 1: still in my state. I was two hours away. And
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  Speaker 1: then I went to Syracuse. It's just like a whole
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  Speaker 1: like I am moving on my own and I yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I am independent for the first time ever. Yeah, totally
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  Speaker 1: different type of moved though. Now of course you're saying
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have time to do anything begs the question
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  Speaker 1: did you have time to date? Oh god, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was on no, I was on bumble a little.
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  Speaker 1: But how's the Bristol, Virginia bubble scene? I mean it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was weak. There was actually it's funny,
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  Speaker 1: there was this guy before The Bachelor came out. It
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  Speaker 1: was like Olivia dumped me. I had like maybe gone
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  Speaker 1: on like three days with this one guy who lived
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  Speaker 1: kind of far away, and so it was never really
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  Speaker 1: a thing anyway, But that was like the closest I
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  Speaker 1: had gotten to like dating someone in Bristol. Other than that,
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  Speaker 1: it was just getting jail mail. So like across the
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  Speaker 1: street from the news station was a j ale and
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  Speaker 1: all they do is watch TV, and so they kind
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  Speaker 1: of they build Yeah, they build up in their mind
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  Speaker 1: that like you're their girlfriend and stuff, and they can
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  Speaker 1: write mail. So I would constantly get lovely letters from
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  Speaker 1: my my jail boyfriends. Olivia. If I saw you on
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  Speaker 1: the local news, I would also be writing you love letters. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Olivia is the anchor that all my buddies text me, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: have you seen Channel seven up? It's so funny because, like,
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  Speaker 1: leaving for the Bachelor was a lot weirder than maybe
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  Speaker 1: it is for other people, because I was anchoring up
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  Speaker 1: until the day that I moved home and got ready
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  Speaker 1: to go start filming. So I couldn't say see you
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  Speaker 1: guys next weekend. And I couldn't say going on the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor because like obviously you can't. So I just literally
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  Speaker 1: disappeared from thin air, disappear here. Like I still had
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  Speaker 1: people two years later saying where did you go? Like
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  Speaker 1: what did you do? And where did you go? Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna talk about next. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a wild ride for Olivia. Create uh. All kind
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  Speaker 1: of leading up to last week, which was a really
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  Speaker 1: important week for you, so we're going to take a break, refuel, uh,
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  Speaker 1: take a breather, and come back with Olivia Crety on
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  Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast. Olivia, I've been pretty honest that, like,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't fully on the Bachelor for the right reasons,
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  Speaker 1: nor do I think that anybody was, because my mentality
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  Speaker 1: and our listeners are going to be so tired of
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  Speaker 1: hearing this. Was. Of course, family and marriages number one.
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  Speaker 1: I will put that above everything, way above career and
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  Speaker 1: all that. But going on the Bachelor and expecting to
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  Speaker 1: find that, you know, you have to be realistic that
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  Speaker 1: your chances of it are slim. However, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: greatest case scenario would be I get a little exposure,
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  Speaker 1: amp up my career, and you know, find my husband,
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  Speaker 1: which apparently happened. Happened. I mean, I am definitely the
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  Speaker 1: exception to the rule. Here, Why did you go on
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  Speaker 1: the show? Oh my god, hot, Olivia. So look, the
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  Speaker 1: truth of it is that I didn't really want to
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  Speaker 1: go and here here's here's the story. Here's the story.
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  Speaker 1: So well, first of all, my parents were married on
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  Speaker 1: Good Morning America. They were the first couple ever be
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  Speaker 1: married on television. So I've always had this like vision
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  Speaker 1: of you know, that's normal to me, like that happens. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I was doing really well at work. I think
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  Speaker 1: my mom was like, you're never going to meet a
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  Speaker 1: guy kind of in terms of what you were saying,
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  Speaker 1: like how is the dating in Bristol doing? And so
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  Speaker 1: she I guess at the time, there was a casting
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  Speaker 1: that was sort of close to Bristol. I don't really
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  Speaker 1: remember where it was. So I said, guys, stop annoying me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to apply. If you guys want to apply,
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  Speaker 1: go for it. I don't care. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: do it. So my mom kind of conspired with my sister,
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  Speaker 1: and my sister made a video which was very cute.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it later. They overnighted it to casting and
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  Speaker 1: my mom was very smart and she she said it
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  Speaker 1: to where they had to sign for it and so
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  Speaker 1: that someone saw it and it was very smart. And
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  Speaker 1: I got a call two days later. I was I
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  Speaker 1: was at on the desk, my phone is ringing. I've
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  Speaker 1: told people don't call me between these hours, and it's
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  Speaker 1: freaking people from l A and I'm not kidding you.
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  Speaker 1: Two weeks later, it was it started like I and
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  Speaker 1: of course, you know you go out there and it's
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  Speaker 1: this like magical experience and all these people like care
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  Speaker 1: about you and like I think you're great, and so
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, totally let's do this thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course I had watched Caitlin season, so
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  Speaker 1: I saw I knew Ben, and I was like, Ben Rocks,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's like heck, yeah, let's do this thing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you just reminded me of something that I did. I
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: fed exit with the signature too. That's my advice for
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: anyone who asks, Yeah, yeah, so now there's gonna be
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of FedEx packages at them back to me.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: That a signature. But obviously, like I'm I'm a hopeless romantic,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: so I was. I had no interest at all in
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Instagram followers or none of that. I was just like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: this could be really fun. Ben is awesome. If it works,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: great and if not, I go back to work, which
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: didn't really happen, but that was my idea going into
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: it for sure. Two questions for me, just a backtrack,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: your parents and then got married on ABC. They were well,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: one that would have been absolutely poetic for you, totally happening, totally,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: but they like knew each other and I dated and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: all that before they just had their wedding broadcast from
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Time Square. Yes, well, but but here's it was a
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: It was like a kind of a show, like a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: docu series that followed them. So it was like, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: my mom trying on her wedding dress and my dad
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and my mom flying to New York to see my
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: dad's family, and they definitely had an interesting dynamic that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: was perfect for TV. So my mom was very like
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I want to get married, yea, and my dad's just
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: kind of like this New York dude who's like cool
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: marriage whatever. Like, so it was just like a very
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: interesting dynamic, which I'm sure they said this is awesome
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and yeah, and then I guess they did so well
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like ratings wise that it Actually my mom got pregnant
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: with me right afterwards, and they filmed me like as
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a baby, like on the changing table, and I was
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: on ABC like as a little infant baby. So yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it was it was like a docuseeries kind of thing,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't just our wedding. It was very cool.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: That story alone gets you cast in The Bachelor, especially
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: with your face included. I really I don't even remember
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: if I told that story. I really don't remember, but um,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: yeah I thought. I I thought for sure, like if
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: this were to work or something, then like wouldn't ABC
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: love having that you know, mom and dad also coming back?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: But you know, obviously not. I don't even remember that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: story really being shared. I mean, I remember that story
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: from you, but I don't remember ever airing or being
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a thing, which is which is such an interesting story,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: which is why I was hoping, Like obviously I had
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a feeling I wasn't going to get a hometown, but
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I thought it could have been really fun to like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: combine ABC's Good Morning America and footage of them and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: then checking it. But you know that didn't happen, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: it would have been a cool little caveat there for sure.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: So before the Bachelor, how much dating experience did you have?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I had a serious boyfriend in college for uh about
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: a year and a half. But but I mean in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: terms of like, is that a ton of experience? Probably not.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I thought for sure he was like the guy because
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I did go to a school and I'm
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: from the South where like you get married younger, and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: so I was like, okay, cool, but but that was
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: pretty much it. I wasn't ever really terribly focused on dating.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I was like super focused on career for sure. So yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I mean I was not experienced because we haven't answered
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it yet. Then why even consider the Bachelor. I mean,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you've told us about your mom, You've told us about
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: signing up and like her almost kind of not forcing you,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: but signing you up. Then why did you even do it?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Because I I don't know. I guess because it happened
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: so fast. There was It's not like I waited six
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: months and was like waiting to hear whether this was
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: gonna like even be a thing. It literally I found out, Hey,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: come to l A. We're going to fly you out here.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: We want to meet you. You're great, we love you.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Come on the show and the and then it started
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and it was like really fast and how this is
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: such an amazing thing and how could I ever say
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: no to this? And I mean, yeah, that's the only
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: really kind of concrete way I can think about it,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and it's not concrete at all. But um, it was
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: just very fast. Yeah, I get that part. I get
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that it's hard to say no. And I don't know
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: if many people do I think that would be interesting.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I know someone who said, no, well, let's fast forward
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to at Night one then, because this isn't a this
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is an important memory for me. Uh you are Night one.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's a crazy time. It's fast as well. Right,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot going on, and everybody is pretty willing,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: honestly a Night one to share opinions, like the producers
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and Harrison and everybody's talking like what do you think?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: How you doing? How is she? Like? Everybody's like just excited,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and it's a genuine excitement. It's not a producer fake one.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You can read through the lines. People are just pumped.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: It's it's a big thing for them too. And I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: remember them being huge fans of you on Night one. Uh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: just on on every level like, oh you know we connected,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Our conversation was great. Uh. They said like how beautiful
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: she wasn't and then they believed it. Did you feel
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that from them on Night one? Especially? Yes? And I'll
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can really say why without
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: getting into like whatever, You're fine, I'll just do it
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: because that's that's my brand. That's what I've always done.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So the kind of the minute I knew when it
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: was something where I was like, I feel kind of confident,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: just is as my like standing in This was when
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: all the girls are like the kind of starts talking
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to people. All the girls are where can when can
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I catch him? And a producer came to me and said, hey,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: we're setting up your talk with Ben, and I was like, whoa, okay,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And so they brought me over to Ben at a
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: time when obviously it was done, and our conversation felt
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a lot longer then others. And then when I left you,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of the girls were pissed at me because
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: they were like, you know, we weren't allowed to to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: enter your conversation, and I was like, oh, I'm really sorry.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I had no idea about that. So that's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: kind of when I was like, okay, And then of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: course the conversation went great. So that was also the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: other thing, you know, So I don't know that might
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: have been too much. I don't know, I'm sorry. How
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: easy was the conversation with Olivia night one? Because of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: thinking of all of your girls and how many great
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: ones there are as far as conversations go, like, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: don't know that it ever gets better than Olivia well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's I think, well, I think that's the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: difference is Night one is, and it's I think it
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is important for everybody to understand, like there is an excitement,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of nerves, and not just from the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Bachelor and the girls, Like there's what two people almost
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that work on this show. There's a lot of nerves
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: hoping that Night one actually like goes well from anybody
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that works in the show. So it's like very an
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: anxious evening. And when you have somebody like Olivia, who
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is beautiful and inconfident and good on camera, who sits
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: down and like almost like um calms the storm of
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the anxiousness for everybody, it's automatically going to go better.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Like it just does, because it's not hard on night
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: one to be a standout, especially because everybody's freaking out
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and Olivia just didn't. They're panicked out and she just didn't.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: It's true, it was bad. And I have a follow
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: up question for you, and it's a little awkward you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: answer in front of Olivia when it comes to the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: first impression, Rose, was it one your decision full hardly
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to give it to Olivia. Did you have some like
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: external not pressures, but like influencing that, like she would
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: be the best one to choose for that. Well, I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: remember how it goes down and you go back in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this little room and they said, who do you want
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: to get? The first impression Rose too, And it's so
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: hard to understand, but like not again night one. There's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: what thirty women, some of which you've had a few
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a few minutes to talk to, like you don't remember everybody,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and it's a whirlwind of conversation. And so what you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: do is you go through and you pick out like
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: maybe four or five of the women that stood out
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to you, and you go through the conversation you had
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and you go, Okay, I talked about this with this girl,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and this is how I felt with this girl, and hey,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: this girl gave me a kiss right away. Like you
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: just go through everything that you can and then you
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: go like these you also have to consider this And
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: what maybe others didn't but I did, was the first
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: impression Rose is like a weight, like it is a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: target and it is also a weight, and who can
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: handle it? Like who could? Who could take the target?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And go I'll walk through this confidently knowing that people
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: are gonna like, I am the one that people are
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: gonna kind of be after right away. And so then
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I decided Olivia because she was that confident that she
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: was that calm president. She she did stand out, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: so was this is an a good obvious choice. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I don't remember being pressured. I just remember it being
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a conversation and it made complete sense to pick Olivia.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Olivia, That's that's good. The good point Olivia.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: The first impression rose on the twenties season of The Bachelor. Uh.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: She ended up going on to be uh kind of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the favorite for weeks, which as we watched last week
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: on the recap, Olivia, what happened during that time of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you kind of having the target on your back is
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: as you wanted more time with me, the women got
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: more resentful towards you. Yeah, did you ever feel that happening?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Or again, were you blinded to that? Okay? I mean yeah,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I yeah, No, I I felt the resentment. It still
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: felt like super peaceful in the house though, Like I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: never remember a certain point where like it was uncomfortable
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: living together slash people were like, oh, everything's fine, it's
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: no big deal. So it's did I feel things were
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: weird at times? Yes, did I feel like of course,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: when Jamie uh said, hey, the girls are talking about you.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: They're talking about your toes or whatever, that was certainly
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a pivotal moment where I was like, oh, yeah, people
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: are talking about me when I'm not around and so,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but of course at that point I was like, I'm
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: not even gonna say anything. I didn't say anything about
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: any of that. I didn't approach anyone. I just was like,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: why not, okay, because it, I mean, I don't know
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: what's the what am I supposed to say? Who talked
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: about my toes? Like no, I don't really care that much.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So and of course I it's like, I come back here, sorry,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Jamie says, people are talking about your toes. They're talking
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: about this and that and the other about you. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: it kind of pissed me off, to be honest, because
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I was just like, what is that? How stupid is that?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: So I went back and I just was walking back
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to everyone with just nonchalant whatever is going on? And
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: everyone was just like, hay, Olivia, what's up? And that's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: when I was like, what is this? Like I like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just say you don't like my toes or say you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: don't like this, or say you don't like that, but
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: don't like pretend everything's fine. Like I don't know, I
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: just I was I was having a really hard time
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: like towing the line of like what to do in
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of situations. So yeah, watching Ben
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: season back last Monday, I was like, this girl, they're
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: not showing this girl, Olivia, my friend, doing anything villainous.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: The only thing that you were doing was in your
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I t M s being a little cocky. You know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you're feeling yourself, you're calling yourself Mrs Higgins. It was
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like it was fun I mean it was cocky at
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the worst, do you know what I mean? But it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: was also like funny because I feel like you and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I have a similar sense of human I was just
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: trying to have a good time. Let's like do this thing.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: You know. I was there for one reason only, like
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and that was to see if this could work. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like totally, Ben, I was like, this stuff isn't like
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: material to villainize somebody. Was there anything else going on
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that we didn't see? Like was it seriously just you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: being maybe a little bit cocky and the other girls
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: being jealous and threatened because you were such an early
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: front runner. Oh my god. I mean I definitely, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: definitely knew people were talking about me, and so for
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: me as a person in that moment, I tend to retreat, right, So,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: like I just spent a lot of time by myself
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: because I didn't want to piss people off anymore than
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: they already were. So I just spent a lot of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: time in my room, a lot of time. Like when
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: some airport we were at, I bought like six books
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and I just read them all, like I just yeah,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I just was like I don't want to piss people off,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and it just is super awkward in here. And I
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: would try to extend myself occasionally, like I would go
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: into rooms and it would just be very like I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: don't really want her to be in here, so I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: would leave. And then uh, um, of course the night
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: with Amanda with the whole teen mom thing that really
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like that really uh can I cuss on here? Um
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: checked up for sure? Yeah that far, but yes, you
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: can still see that. I mean, oh, sorry, it was
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: it was it really missed. It really messed things up,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and it was that was a horribly painful night for me,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: not to say, like, oh, but just because I felt
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: terrible that night. That was a horrible night. But that's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: like to say that that was the real reason they
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: started villainizing you. It's like everybody makes mistakes, and one
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: comment that you word poorly, you can't pull it against
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you forever. I mean, gosh, I don't know. I definitely
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: word vomited. I mean there was this one time. I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: remember I had already had a rose one week and
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: there was a cocktail party and I said, hey, I'm
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna grab Ben really quick, just say hey,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: fifteen seconds and then I'm done, Like everyone else, I'm
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: not going to interrupt anyone done. And I think it
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: came off as like I've had him, so everyone else
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: have fun. That it came off really poorly, But that
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: certainly was not I just wanted to make people feel
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: confident because everyone was so annoyed that I was talking
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to him that I just was. I was like, hey,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, guys go, I'm gonna sit back like I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: won't interrupt anyone. But certainly that sounded really pretty crappy
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: on my part. So it's not to say I didn't
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: do anything. I mean I certainly did stuff. Yeah, Ben,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: when did this start showing to you? Well, that's yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say, is it's interesting
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: to walk back through this because you know, from my perspective,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you have the night one, uh, first impression Rose Winner,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and then there's that excitement around her for me going
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: into week one and the first dates and and then
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: like I was, I mean, honestly, I was kind of
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: blinded to any of this even up through uh, really
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: up through l A into our first travel experience because
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: in l A, uh there was a lot of group
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: dates and there's a lot of people, and I never
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: even recognized that Olivia was not like, for lack of
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: a better term, like disliked in the house. I remember
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: it really hit me. Um in Las Vegas, which I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: think was our first stop on the travel was there
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: was questions because I could see Olivia being off to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the distance. Uh. All the other girls were hugging and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: like excited, and Olivia was kind of off to the side.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: And so then I started asking around, like to mostly
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: produce rs and to some of the girls, is like,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: what's going on, And a lot of producers just say, hey,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like there's some issues in the house. You're gonna have
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to find out for yourself. And so I started asking questions,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and it felt like the more and more asked questions,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: some girls didn't want to say anything, but there wasn't
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: an enormous amount of support there. It finally came to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a head, really and that's why I want to sit
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: for a second in Mexico City, where Uh, I had
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the sense you had voice to me that things were
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: getting hard. I had noticed that. I had definitely at
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that point understood that you were maybe not the most
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: liked in the house, but I didn't know if I
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: had a problem with that. I just think it was
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: unfortunate and given the circumstances, making this really hard on everybody.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And and that's where I think the biggest amount of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: controversy with you came from is the comments made to Amanda,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: which the twins doubled down on. We'll talk about the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: twins here in a little bit, because they came to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the podcast last week spoke about you. Um Uh, Olivia.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I want I want to first off, clarify what you
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: meant by your comments to Amanda, and next then I
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: want to talk about how that made you feel, knowing
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: at that moment things were. I mean, I think every
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I think you and I both agree like you and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I both knew that things were falling down around us
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and you on this experience at that point. Well, so,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: without getting too far into Amanda's situation with her ex
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: husband and their kids, uh, in that moment, she before
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that had been talking about how this there was a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: strain with their kind of custody relationship and that it
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: was difficult at times. And at that point, right, like
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: everyone had kind of doubled off in like a friend situation, right,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and Becca had actually pulled me aside in Mexico City
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And this never aired, but Becca Tilly said, hey, live
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like I feel like you're feeling super alone in here
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and ostracized, and I want you to know that like
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I do love you and care about you, and I'm
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry that you feel this way. Right, It
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: never aired, but like there was support in there where
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that she was like, we want you to want to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: hang out with us, and I know you feel really
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: awkward at times, but like we want you, we embrace you.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And so that was when I was starting to feel
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit more confident, like, oh well, maybe I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: can like pipe in and say something and so I'm
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: a dog for TV. Amanda's talking about custody situations. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: love the show Teen Mom, so I was literally just
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: trying to be like, oh, this reminds me of some
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: of those storylines, and Teen Mom were like, the custody
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: situations are difficult. I have no clue why I said that,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and I think I can see it on my face
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: where the minute I said it, I was like, it
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't like I sat there being like I had. There
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: was nothing about it that was like you had a
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: baby when you were a kid. Like I had a
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: conversation with her at the pool. I knew how old
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: she was when she had her first child, Like I meant,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: no malice, And the minute I said it, I ran
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: off camera and I hugged her and I was like,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm so very sorry, like that came out so wrong.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: She said it's all good, no problem, and I actually
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: went off, and I remember, if I had talked to
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you already been But I came back on the couch
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and I heard people kind of about it, so I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: just said, hey, guys, like, can we talk about this,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Like I think things are weird. Lauren Amanda and I
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: ended up having like a thirty minute conversation and I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: was like crying and I was so sorry. But at
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that point I knew it was over, like I had
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it was like why why? Why did you know? What? What?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: What about it made it feel like it was over
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: because it was just like I had finally done the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: horrible thing that I did. Yeah, and then I feel
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: like you started self sabotaging yourself. I was like, this
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: girl isn't a villain to the other girls right now?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Those girls a villain to herself because I just couldn't
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: help yourself with Ben, you just like you had so
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: much anxiety. I feel like you let me know how
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: it was inside that you just were like I need
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to heal this. I need to heal this. But you
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: were just losing. It's a really hard position to be
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: in when you really, you really liked someone for a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: long time, and it annoys people that like they you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: like him and that he likes you, like I remember
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that this this the date after the first impression, was
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: where I got the rose again. Ben had said, hey, Olivia,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: can we talk at the cocktail party? And we were
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: gone for like a considerable amount of time. I had
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: no idea where we were going how long we were
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: going to be gone? And I get back and Emily
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: looks at her her watch on her hand, and she's like,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you were gone for forty five minutes. And I was like, oh,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry. I you know, I didn't ask to talk.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So it was like it was just things that I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: was doing, like existing, pissed people off a lot, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: so then it just never got better. And then once
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I did the teen mom thing, I was absolutely done
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: for Like, yeah, it was like coming back. Yeah, it
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: was all leading up to that moment. It felt like
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it for me even yeah, And it was like it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: really hard when you know, I hadn't gotten a date
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: with Ben, right, so it's like you only get a
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: few minutes here and there. I'm feeling like I'm having
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to like defend myself, but I don't even have time
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: to really like talk about anything other than like defending myself.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm also like, how can I even do that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: when there's clearly like a momentum shift here. There was
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: just at that point, I was self destructing in myself.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk to anyone because I was
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: just like I was begging to go home. Honestly, at
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that point I just was like, please send me home,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: like I can't do this anymore. Like it just was awful.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So actually it's interesting to even look back on and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you would ask me this question, and Olivia, I don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: know if you felt this way at all, but looking
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: back on this, right, when you see the arc of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: our relationship where it starts out really good things, it
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: good things continue to be good, and then we go
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to Vegas and obviously we have the infamous like cake incident,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: which really didn't disrupt the relationship at all. It was
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: more like a funny like you know, I think you
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: would probably actually or anybody out there listening, would watch
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: your significant other do something that's like pretty funny and
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you would just like feel for them with them and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: like laugh it off. But that got emotional, right, There
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: was emotion added to that, and Olivia was embarrassed. And
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: then we move on and there are things said and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: there was isolation, and it felt like every week. Olivia
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: was never the villain in my eyes, it just felt
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: like another unfortunate circumstance that surrounded Olivia that brought upon
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: almost just like a lack of of joy. I guess
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: on my end because every time I would know of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: here Olivia's name, it would not be associated with like
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: positive things. It would mostly be about struggle of some kind.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And so from my side, that's how I was doing this,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Like I said, all coming to ahead of Mexico City,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: where uh really felt like everything that was felt in
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: a sense was reinforced, even though that the statement made
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: was a mistake, as Olivia said, Uh, but not intentionally harmful. Now, Olivia,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: before we continue on with this conversation, obviously the twins
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: had doubled down on you to um to definitely make
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: this experience harder for you. And I'm not saying that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: because I feel that way, even though a lot of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: people did they felt that way as well. In fact,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: last week we had him on the podcast, A live
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: podcast we did, uh let's hear from them, uh play
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: some audio about them speaking about you. We're totally so
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: sorry about all of that, and me and Haley did
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: not mean any of the stuff we said and looking
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: back on it as like a mature adult, it was
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: completely uncalled for and just just big fat a holes. Yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: just a little brat, just trying to get fifteen minutes
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of fame. Just trying to like just totally so awful.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So if she's watching this or ever sees, we're sorry
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and would love to talk to her on the phone
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: if she'd want to, I mean if I don't think
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: she would ever want to, I know, And you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it's weird that we've never even had like a text
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: conversation or a phone conversation four years later to even
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: say sorry. And I guess that might be our fault
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: because we've never even reached out. But I just don't
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: think she would want I don't know if she'd want
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to hear from us. So the Twins. I had no
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: problem with the twins in the house at all, Like
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I were we best friends, No, but nothing like zero.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: So when I watched the show and I see them,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you know, holding a knife and saying they want to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: kill me, and that I wanted they make or I
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: make them want to throw up and they hate my
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: breath and my boobs and this and that and the other. Uh,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: that was incredibly painful to watch because that I had
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: no clue that that was happening. There was one point
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: where someone came to me and said one of the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: producers was trying to convince the twins to put a
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: bunch of mints on your bed, but that they said, oh,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: we don't, we don't want to do that, which like, oh,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: bless them for drawing the line. At some point, okay,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: so we get to women tell all they are just
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: going in on me, and I said, I'm sorry, you know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry for everything. And I remember Leah Block
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: distinctly saying well, what about what you guys said about Olivia,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and Emily just coming back with, well, that's besides the point.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: So up until that point they still didn't think that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: anything they had done was wrong in my eyes? Would
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you agree? I don't know. So then no, all the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: time in the world goes by. A couple of years later,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: this was maybe a year ago, someone obviously was watching
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Ben's show on Hulu or whatever, and they tweet me
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and the Twins and they said something to the effect
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of like, I don't know why everyone hated Olivia, because like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: look how mean X and X were to Olivia. And
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I might have liked it or commented, I have no idea.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: But Emily specifically came back and said, oh is she
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: still bitter about all of this? So there's time too
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: where it's very clear they still don't feel like they
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: did anything wrong. Then all this time passes, still this
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: new show with Ben comes around. They do a podcast which,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: sorry I didn't listen, so I didn't hear what they
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: had to say. But I had never heard about it
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: until Monday night when Ben's show was airing, and my
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Instagram is exploding and I'm like, what the hell is
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: going on? And I see that Emily had followed me
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: on Instagram and then commented on my post publicly saying like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't make things easy for you. I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: was just young, I was an asshole, YadA YadA, And
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I honestly a screenshot at it, and I sent it
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to my friends and I was like, are you kidding me?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Right now? Like are you serious? And then ten minutes
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: later I get a text from her saying something similar,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: saying I'm really sorry. I would love to talk to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you if you're open to it. I answered her back
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: and I said, hey, look, I appreciate this message. I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: would love to talk to you, But the more I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: think about it, the more it just it doesn't feel
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: right to me. Um, it just doesn't. I really do
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: think that if this show had never come on, they
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: would have never apologized, and I fully believe that, and
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: so already it feels kind of weird to me. Um.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: But then to wait till, like the night of the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: show when everyone's looking at Instagram, I don't out. I
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: might just be jaded. Ah, I don't know. Well, yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and okay, let's talk about that then, because I do
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: want to come back to the Emily and Haley uh conversation.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: But in order to make that make sense, we have
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: to talk about you and how hurt you've been for
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the last four years. Because we've talked about the show,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: We've talked about your experience on the show. Just to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: recap it, um, Olivia, one of the most iconic exits
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of all time. At the end of The Bachelor, Uh,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the jerk of a bachelor left you on an island
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: all alone as he speed it off into the windy ocean. Um,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: just to get wind blown and and frostbite. Uh. But
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: that was your exit, and that's the last we really
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: sold you up until the Men or the Women Tell All,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: which wasn't easy for you at all. And a lot
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: of that had to do with the twins, and the
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: twins kind of coming at you, and so let's pause
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: there and go into your life in the last four years.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And this is the me of the podcast that I'm
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: intrigued by, and I think our listeners are going to
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: be intrigued by. Olivia. There's a reason why it's not
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: easy for you to forgive Emily and Haley right now. Yeah,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And there's a reason we haven't heard from you, as
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison said in for years. Why. I mean, I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: think it's it's a combination of many things. I think
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: filming Women' tall all was super disappointing to me because
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I was prepared for I don't want to get emotional.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be an in depth podcast if one of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: us didn't cry, So everybody sorry. Um, I was prepared
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: to be attacked, and I knew it was coming, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: it just seemed like there was like a point where
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it was like okay, go like go in, and it
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: just kept coming, and it kept coming, and they were
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: making all these faces like any time I tried to
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: say I'm sorry, they would like roll their eyes, and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I just felt like I was getting nowhere. And I
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: was also like, I don't even know why you're so
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: angry at me because I don't even remember like having
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: that many conversations with you, to be honest, like I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: don't remember ever doing anything to you. And so as
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I said to Ashley, that point where they're just saying
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: every single thing that I did wrong, and Leah Block says, well,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: what about what you said about Olivia? And they said,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: that's besides the point, like that what happened to me
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: didn't hurt me. That was when I was like, I'm
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: done with this interview, like want to I just want
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to go home. I didn't even go to the party
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: after Women Tall, It just went home. Um. So I
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: had this theory. I have this theory I wrote about
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: my Cosmo article this week. I think there wasn't a
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: natural villain in Ben's season, and I feel like they
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: had to find someone to sort of villainize. And I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: think that the twins were probably used as a channel
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of creating a villain because they knew that they would
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: kind of say anything about anyone I agree with. I
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: don't even think they really cared about me that much.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I think that they just agreed to everything that was
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: asked of them. My I guess my my gripe with
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: them is that um, you know, especially theres they're reasoning
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: now is like, well, I was young, and I was stupid,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: and I was looking for my fifteen minutes of fame.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: And it's like, so you basically are saying that you're
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: like validating what you did to me by saying like,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I was young and stupid and just looking to be famous.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I wanted to be famous, So
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I had no problem just burying you. Well, yeah, because
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and it sucks. That's because the truth of it all is,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: for the last four years you felt buried like this,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: this has this was not a past like for some
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that come on the show. Our villains naturally I talked
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a lot like you have. They have a little narcissism
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: in them, maybe a lot. Uh. They don't admit that
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: they're wrong. They don't believe that they're wrong. They can't
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: even see that they've ever even been close to being wrong.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: For you, you knew you were wrong at times, but
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you also we're open enough to feel the comments, the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: concerns and the criticism. And so for four years you've
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: sat with your family like, how I guess this how
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: often Olivia is the show something you think about in
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: your life? The last four years. Oh god, I mean honestly,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I mean it comes up in my mind like on
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: a weekly basis, if not because like someone you know
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: says something to me, or like someone says, oh yeah,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: my friend was asking if you're as crazy as you
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: really look. Like it's just it's like when someone googles
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you and it's like ugly, right, Like I have this
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: on my mind all the time when I'm applying for
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: jobs and like googling me is like awful, or like,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I work at Delta and people recognize me
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and they say, like, well, like what was wrong with you?
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Like it just like it runs into my everyday experience
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: and I've done my best to like forget about it,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: but like I have this distinct recollection of like my
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: mom took me to a doctor after this show because
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: she was like, they're talking about your breath, Like I
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: think we should take you to a doctor. That is
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: so sad. How does it? I feel like I'm just
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: asking the same question over and over, but it's it's
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the only one that makes sense right now, Like how
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: do how does this stuff make you feel? It's just
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: it's maddening that that people can just hurt other people
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: with like no remorse and like I didn't do everything right,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: but I it just killed me to hear them behave
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and say things that showed that they did not feel
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: bad at all. And now it's just conveniently coming around
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: again and so they get to say, we feel bad
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and we're older now and we were just assholes back then.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I was an asshole on the show, and like, I
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: don't make excuses for that. I have. I have apologized
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: a jillion times for that. I don't rest my laurels
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: on that, you know, And so yeah, I don't know.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: It's just if they were to have apologized somewhere in
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the midst of this before the re airing, you would
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: have accepted as more genuine. Yeah. I found it to
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: be really bizarre that it happened like as the show
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: was airing and I was like getting attention, and yeah,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: but what about us, I mean to my, I mean,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: so like my, I guess the only comment would be
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: would be like the moment that I wanted to do
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: this with you, for you in the moment, it really
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I and I've told you this even
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: off uh privately on the phone. Is like I never
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: realized how hard it was for you, like I've I've
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I guess like and that's in my immaturity of mine,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: like naiveness was I never realized just how difficult this
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: was for you for the last four years, and so
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: your criticism of them could probably be the same for me.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yes and no, because you didn't sit there and say, like,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: how can I make fun of this girl and make
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: her into a villain just so I can be famous?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: You know, you didn't ever go out of your way
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: to hurt me and um, and you know we we
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: did have like moments where we saw each other occasionally
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: over the years and you just said, like, how are you? Like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything except for them tweeting me a
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: couple of years later saying is she's still bitter about
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: all of this. So it's like there's a difference between
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: like saying a couple of things, like there's people who
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: said things on the show about me that you know,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: we talked about it afterwards. Amanda and I have had
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: multiple grown adult conversations about what I said. We've had
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: multiple conversations and how do you guys stand today? I
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: know that it was fired up again last summer when
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: her book was about to come out. Yeah, I mean
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the book. The book was hard, just because I was like,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: at that point we had already kind of I thought
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: like buried the hatchet and so I was like, oh, wait,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: this is coming around again. That's kind of you know whatever.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: But but we have had multiple conversations and like we're
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: friends now. Like you can have conversations with people and
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: approached people and say yo, I was wrong and she says, yeah,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry you felt that way, and we could like
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: become friends and life is good and I don't have
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: any hard feelings towards you. And it's like there's been
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: times where you know, I felt like I needed to
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: apologize to someone and yeah, maybe I'm like I don't
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: know how to approach them, and maybe they won't receive it.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Well you still do it. You find a way if
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: you really want to. So bringing up to date is about,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. A month ago, Olivia. I got a
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: text UM saying, hey, we're thinking about bringing Olivia on
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: the show. Um, she's super nervous about this. What do
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: you think? And I said, well, let me call her.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: So we we just to give anybody some background here
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Olivia and I spoke on the phone, um, just kind
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of about what this could look like, not in terms
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: of anything more than you going on the show, like, hey,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: should you Your question to me was can I trust them?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: And my response was, yeah, you can ust them because
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think they want to see you get buried again.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think that does anything for the show. I
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: don't think it does anything for their souls, for their life, Like,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I just don't see that ever being a good thing
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: here for them, right so after, Okay, so let's pause
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: here because during this conversation you had mentioned to me
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that your sister and your mother definitely weren't in support
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: of you going on No, especially my sister, she's very anti.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I had to convince them to basically let me do
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: it at some point. So just because they didn't trust
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the show or they were mad at the show. My
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: my sister hates the show, hates the show. You have
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of distrust against the show. And I think
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: it's not just because of what happened on ben season,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: but what wasn't there some paradise. It's just stuff, you know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: flying me out to l A, which I probably would
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: have never done a show as it was because I
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: didn't really feel like I can just go back on
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: camera again, but it's like and just ghosting and then
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: like texting later, Like it's just all these things of
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: like I can't. I hate not being able to trust people,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: and so it just drives me crazy that like I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: there's just no trust and this this whole thing was
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: initiated as like let's try to like build that back,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: but it's like it's very difficult. And so that was
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like Ben was the one person to me who was like, yeah,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: he's involved in this, but I do feel like he
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: at least kind of understands why I might be hesitant
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: about it, and so I, you know, I just had
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: to be like can I do that? And I called
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: several I called Ashley Spivey because she I mean Charlene.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I called Charlene and I just was like, guys, am
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I insane for doing this? Like is this crazy? And
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: it was really it was a terribly difficult decision to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: make because I just didn't want it again. I don't
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: want that again. Was anybody discouraging you besides your family? No,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: everyone was like I feel like if this footage is
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: going to air again, and I've said this, like, you
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: don't want that to be the last anyone sees of you,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Like you're so well spoken and you're so different now
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: that at least like, please show up, even if even
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: if it looks terrible again, show up, because I do
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: think that Women Tell All was one of my better
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: episodes because it was just like me talking normally, and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: so I just I had to put my faith in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: them one more time and it was like the hardest
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. I was shaking. My hands were
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: shaking the whole time. I was like breathing, like before
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Chris came on to film it, Like it just was
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: It's just not it's not natural for me because as
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I said, like I don't want can't. I don't want
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: this like this isn't like yeah, I'm back on the show,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: and that's not why I did this. So it's just
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: like why did you do it? Then? Why did you say? Yes? Um?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I mean mostly because I as as I said, like,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take ownership of all of this always, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: so if you're going to air this stuff again, I'm
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: going to own it again. If you do it again,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: in three years, I'll do it again, Like I'm not
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: going to be the person who just looks like an
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: ass and then just like doesn't at least respond to it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: That's not what I'm gonna do. That's what I'm not
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: afraid of is taking ownership of what was shown. So
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Jubilee was somebody who did deny the request. She did
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: not come on the show even though they wanted her to.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: And I just before we close up this chapter, I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: just kind of want to reiterate, you are probably the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: old only quote villain that um in real life. When
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you meet you, you're just totally completely different. Most of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the other quote villains have an ego or have like
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what you would make of it.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how you describe it now a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: lot of words. Okay, I was gonna say, like most
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: of the villains actually don't even mind that they're kind
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: of villainized, jealous of them. Honestly, I wish I had
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: that attitude. I wish. And then you meet you in
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: real life and you're just like, okay, wait, something didn't
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: make sense here, Like she was made out to be
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: something that she just wasn't, and it's really unfair. You're
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: one of the very few exceptions that I find that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: your edit was completely unfair. I mean, as I've said,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: did I behave like crummy at times? Did I have
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: foot in mouth syndrome? Yeah, the same hell yeah. But
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I it was never my intention. I did not go
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: into that saying how can I make a splash like that?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh you and I stopped a couple
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: of times. I did, but like we did own it,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and I feel like we were self aware of it,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: you know, moments after it happened. But you know, they
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: have the footage. I'm sure. I'm like, damn it, they
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: got footage of that. It's over. Really just say that,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: and I am, I dang it. Yea, yeah, I mean
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: that's that's my only thing would be. I don't know
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: if your edit was so wrong as much it was
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: just highlighting the wrong things, like you know, like you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: said what you said, You've owned that, you did, what
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: you've done, the differences your highlight reel was not was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: not showing much of the romantic side, the sweet side,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the sensitive side, And that's really I mean, Olivia, And
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: here is where it all kind of came back last week.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: And so for you, those of you who watched The
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Bachelor goat. Last week, Bachelor twenty was highlighted Olivia came
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: on with an interview with Chris Harrison, and after speaking
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: with Olivia, I felt and and this is probably my
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: own issue, I felt control less because I was giving
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: you advice that I didn't really know it's true, like, hey,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: I trust that they want to make this right with you.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: If they're telling you that, I don't think they're going
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: to try to ruin you. And so the idea was
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: how can I help and how can I get control?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And it really was at that point after talking to you,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I went inside. I was in Indiana at the time,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: and I talked to my family and my fiance, and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I said, this girl is still hurting four years later,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: like my only and I mean this, I don't claim
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: to have done this thing perfectly. And I know some
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: would argue that, like I know there's but like I didn't,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: and you know that, and everybody knows that that's listening
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: to this The different is My only request was that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: when people came on the show, they would be glad
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: they did it. I got the heartbreak still might happen,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Like I got that people might leave broken hearted. Or
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I got the people might leave not even caring if
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: they were broken hearted. I understood that part. But my
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: only request, my only hope, my only prayer, if you will,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: was that people would leave going. I'm glad I did it.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: And Olivia was the only person that, now four years later,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I can look at and hear from and realize that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's glad she did it. I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: don't know either, and I'm sorry about that, like I
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: still am. And I said it on TV no, and like,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: this is just a moment again, and I didn't get
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to fully explain this on television, but it is a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: moment where it's like, it is sad, it does hurt.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: You signed up for this, you gave it your best shot.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: You're a good human, You're absolutely beautiful, and it brought
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: me so much joy last week seeing your name trending
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: on Twitter with like insanely positive things following you, like
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: only positive things. I was shocked. I don't know what
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: it's like to have people like watch me and like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: me so that it was so insane and bizarre, and
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is this really happening. I've honestly
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: been in shock for like days, because I mean, oh,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: people like me. It's whoa, this is weird. Oh my god,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's going on because
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: they because they didn't edit your interview with Harrison and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: it was just you and you know, Ben made it
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: made you feel better going into it, being like, I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: do trust that it's going to turn out good for
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: you this time. Do you have I have to ask
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: for the sake of the audience, Do you have a
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: more you have a bigger trust in the show for
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: maybe making you look more yourself if you were to
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: ever do it again, Like, is there any inkling of
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Olivia that would be open to doing Paradise? Tell us here, Okay,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: this is not me being cocky. I would only be
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: the bachelorette. I would never do Paradise. And so why
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Ashley is convinced and this Actuley is convinced me that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Paradise is a really good thing. And I didn't think
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: so either three years ago when I started this podcast
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: with her. After three years, I see the benefit of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: it completely romantically, Uh, in terms of freedom, all those things.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: So many villainous characters have gone to Paradise and become
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: so beloved, but also vice versa. But you barely ever
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: see somebody double down now they never you never could?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: But okay, sorry, why not, guys, I would never Okay,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I will say, like night Wane of Bencas in first
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: two weeks E been season, I was totally myself. Now,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: whether that translated well or not, I'm not sure. But
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could ever be that Olivia
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: on camera ever again. Like, I don't know if I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: could just go into it and not be like, ah,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: that cameras watching me, like what are they going to film?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: You know? Like that. I don't know if I could
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: ever be like that again? Are you completely honest? My
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: concern is that for you as well, I think you'd
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: almost be too paranoid and too careful that you would
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: either be boring or like or I don't, I don't know,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you'd probably be boring because actually, if you have that concern,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: that's why I shouldn't do it. I'm still shipping. The
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: idea of Olivia to Paradise is that the right word shipping.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Shipping usually people's ship with like another person, But you
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: can ship with Paradise. That's okay, you'll have to tell
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: me beforehand again and like try to like talk me over,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: you know, through this thing, because look, I don't know,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, the good news is I don't
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: think a Paradise season will film for another twelve months.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: I think you will be considered, but we could have
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: many talks before then. All right, should we transition to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: the fun part of our podcast? You have more things
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: to say? You had to close out here with Olivia Creedy. Uh,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: we love you, Olivia. We're gonna move on to some
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: fun stuff. It was courageous of you, It was big
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: of you. I'm glad as a friend you did it. Um.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: I know we have a lot of mutual friends. Brandy
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Cyrus being one of those who has always loved you,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: supported you, cared for you, um, and just lifted you
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: up in every conversation I've ever been with her and UM,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: and so we have at you know, yeah, she's somebody
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: think here. But anyways, I want to close this part
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: with reading, um your Instagram caption and and then we
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: can go to commercial break. Uh. This is from Olivia.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: When I got a call that season twenty a batchelord
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: bearing again, I was terrified. For the past four years,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I've been battering and forgiving myself, bettering and forgiving myself,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: improving my mental health and kayaking home from the island.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: That's good. The last thing I wanted was to regress
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: having said that I'll never let this footage air and
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: not take ownership. I would hate for that to be
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the last anyone sees of me, because I'm far from
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: the person I was then. By doing this, I feel
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: so much lighter, like I really can let go, stop
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: hiding from the world and focus on what's meant for me.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: You're going to fall flat on your face sometimes, and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: that's okay. You're not defined by your past. You can
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: pick yourself up again, and you're not alone. It's brave
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: to ask for help if you need it, no matter
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: what happens tonight, I love you all, and I'll go
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: through all the crumb again just to connect with all
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: of you. Embrace your growth that comes from all the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: lessons and experiences. Sign the girl who still has the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: largest mouth maybe every that's Olivia Creedy. Oh lovely, We'll
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: be back with Olivia Creedy here on the Almost Famous
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: in Death podcast. All right here, Olivia, this is the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: most fun of the podcast that we have. We appreciate
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: you so far, Ashley, Uh, take it away. Okay, first off,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: we want you to talk about your podcast. I think
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you are a pioneer in bachelor podcast and I love
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: the shameless plug that you had on Monday night. You
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: said like I started my mouthing off podcast, and even
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison like had a little giggle there. He was like,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: she's going, we're gonna give you that. I love the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: fact I think that you started a podcast because you're like, Wow,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: people really didn't get to know the real meats the show.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: So this is a way of me taking my passion
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: of journalism and storytelling and interviewing and adding in my
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: own personalities. People will get to know me as well.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: So tell us how you came up with the idea
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: and what people can't expect they listen. Yeah, so the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: podcast came about a year out of the show, so
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm I'm a little better now,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: let's find a way to to change people's opinion of me.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I knew that my following would be small but mighty,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: but I was like, how can I claim the mouth?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: And so I did a photo shoot with my My
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: jaw was like locked the whole time. But I just
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: was like my mouth was wide open. And then from
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: the get go, I was like, I have to interview
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: reality stars and get to the meat of who they
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: are and what was going on, because I know what
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: it's like to feel like you weren't fully like in it,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And so I I bring
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: on a lot of Bachelor villains because I just want
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: them to have an opportunity to talk the way that
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: I kind of didn't. Um, But I bring on people
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: from every reality show, so it's it's not just Bachelor people,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: it's people from everything because I watch a lot of TV.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: But it's like very interview style. It's not really that conversational.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: This is me like putting my degree to practice and
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: like really getting to the meat of humans. And um, yeah,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: so I just did it this week. It's fun. It
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: was it's it's um, it's fun. It's definitely a good
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: opportunity if if you've watched someone on TV and been like,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I liked that person, you should
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: listen to them on my podcast because you might you
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: still might not like them, and you still might hate them,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: but at least they tried or tell us what you're
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: doing for Delta too because you have multiple jobs. Yeah,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: I have a few. I am obsessed with traveling, so
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I was spending a lot of money traveling, so I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: was like, how can I travel for free? So I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: work at Delta. I'm actually unfortunately retiring though, because of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: COVID and travel numbers and airlines are really struggling right now.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: But it has been the most fun place that I
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: have ever worked. I work in the sky club, so
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  Speaker 1: like a little bit more bouge. It's wonderful. Delta one,
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  Speaker 1: Delta one, I get to fly sometimes I plan it
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  Speaker 1: out very particularly so the life of a stand by flyer.
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  Speaker 1: If I want to fly somewhere, I look and I
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  Speaker 1: see when I can get into the front of the
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  Speaker 1: plane because I want to lay down. I want to
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  Speaker 1: lay flat. What's next? Then, if you're if you're done
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  Speaker 1: with Delta, what are you gonna do? I want to
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  Speaker 1: go get my masters, so Paradise, you know, I really
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  Speaker 1: my number one is n y U. That's my goal.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I wanted to go to undergrad and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't work. So I'm like, let's make it happen for
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  Speaker 1: graduate school. Um, but I'm applying to a bunch of schools.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to go back to the classroom. It's
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: going to be fun, hopefully. What do you want to study?
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to continue journalism? No, I want to
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  Speaker 1: do marketing. So it's like, it's crazy. I realized, like
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: over the last four years, I've basically like rebranded myself
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  Speaker 1: and like marketed my podcast, and I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: want to do this for a career. So yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I find in the brain they're very closely related to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: marketing and advertising as totally. Okay, you are you ready
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  Speaker 1: for our speed round? Yeah, this is our favorite part.
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  Speaker 1: I love this part. Okay, here we go, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I try to taylor the questions a little bit towards
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: the person. Okay, food you're obsessed with for your big mouth,
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  Speaker 1: French fries. Food you despise of seafood? Oh, seafood. Really
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  Speaker 1: it stinks. Delta tricks that we should implement into our
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  Speaker 1: travel bookings. Oh my um, don't buy basic economy tickets.
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  Speaker 1: They suck. Don't do it even if they're cheaper by
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: the main cabin because when you want to make changes,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: you can And also like go up to the person
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: at the counter who looks cool if you want like
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: a free bag or something, because I'm one of those people. Sure,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: totally have it. I don't really care. Yeah, amazing, Yeah,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: what is the guilty what's your guilty pleasure artist or
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: song on your iTunes or Spotify. Selene Dion, I wanted
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: to see her when we went to Vegas. We never did.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: It pissed me off, Selene Dion, You shouldn't even feel
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: guilty about that, girl, and I don't. I didn't think
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: you did Titanic all day. Oh yeah, reality show that
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: is underrated and you think people need to give a try?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Is it underrated? Fiance? Okay No, I don't even know
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: if it's underrated, but I do think that it's gaining
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: speed with me. It is icon Nick, It is so good.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I want to be on it. Please my worst nightmare?
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  Speaker 1: Um okay, last question for me, and then I'm going
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: to have Ben asked one speed round question because he
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: never does. Your favorite place in the world that you've
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: traveled and the place in the world that you think
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: has is overrated favorite Iceland, overrated Paris? Okay, all right,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I have my question. What is your favorite outfit that
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: you wore on our season of the Bachelor. Okay, I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: have to um the my first night dress obviously it
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: was great. And then I love I really love that
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: swimsuit that I was wearing when I got dumped. Yeah,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: so this is this is my final lightning around question.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: How did you get home from the island. My my
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: sister was pissed that I said it was a tug
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: boat on my podcast because she says it was more
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: like a kayak. Like I was like, I had an
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: oar and I was just rowing and I was cold,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: and it took me hours. We weren't close to land,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: like we were pretty far out there. No, it was
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: like this. It was a little motor boat, like a
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: little fishing boat and the engine was like right, and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: that nice. I got home five hours later. Nice, and
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: this podcast on a good laugh. That's right, You're awesome. Loved,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I I really do. Actually I both almost famous family.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: I know, Um, because of the responses last week. Just
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: just want to see these next four years be a
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: bright light for you. Keep us updated on things. Um,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: you are some I'm just really glad, Like I'm so
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: pumped that you had your moment um during the recap,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Like this is just the coolest thing. To celebrate alongside
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: of you and with you, And what a story you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: have to tell. Hey, your loved Olivia, You're celebrated. That's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Olivia Creedy on the Almost Famous In Depth podcast Olivia.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: We do this every time, so just follow our lead here.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I'll start with that. Everybody out there listening, Olivia Creedy
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: is one of the most iconic members of Bachelor Nation,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: somebody we haven't heard from in four years, but we
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: are hearing from again and the best and brightest ways.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: She has somebody to be celebrated, somebody to love on,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: somebody to make up for all the wrongs that we've
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: put her through for the last four years. Um, this
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: was a podcast that was long needed and I'm glad
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: it came with that. Uh. I've been Ben, Yeah, I've
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: been Ashley, and I've been Olivia CREDI. We'll talk to
• 1:20:04
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