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Mega Edition: The Moscow PD And Their Press Releases The Week Of November 20th 2022 (9/30/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. The police in Moscow
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  Speaker 1: gave a press conference today and a bit of an
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  Speaker 1: update on where the case stands. And they even ruled
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  Speaker 1: a few people out. So let's just get right into
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  Speaker 1: the article and let's get caught up real quick. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, this article was published by the Idaho Statesman. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: police don't think 911 caller. or the roommates were the
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  Speaker 1: killers in the University of Idaho student stabbings. This article
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  Speaker 1: was authored by Angela Palermo. Now, when I first read
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  Speaker 1: about this case, and I heard that the roommates were
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  Speaker 1: there while this all went on, I had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of questions about how they didn't hear this, how was
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  Speaker 1: it that nobody called, But when you go back and
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  Speaker 1: you think about it, it makes sense, right? When I
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  Speaker 1: was in college, I'd sleep all damn day if I
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  Speaker 1: went out partying the night before. So very likely they
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  Speaker 1: slept late, they slept in, and they ended up not
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  Speaker 1: even knowing this went down until the next day. There
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  Speaker 1: could only be two possibilities, right? Either that occurred or
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  Speaker 1: something else. And according to the police, obviously, these girls
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  Speaker 1: are not suspects. And then you add to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the nature of the crime was so violent and
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  Speaker 1: so brutal, I highly doubt that a woman was responsible
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  Speaker 1: for that in the first place. So I could see
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  Speaker 1: why they would rule the roommates out, the ones that survived.
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  Speaker 1: And you have to remember, even though it seems crazy,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes life is crazy and weird circumstances do arise. And
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  Speaker 1: the fact that they had their doors locked, maybe that
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  Speaker 1: played something into it as well. But no matter what,
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  Speaker 1: the police are saying that they had nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with it. They are also ruling out the person who
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  Speaker 1: called 911. And they're saying that that phone call was
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  Speaker 1: made from one of the roommate's phones. Now, they've also
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  Speaker 1: said in this press conference that other people were in
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  Speaker 1: the home during the time of that 911 phone call. Now, remember...
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  Speaker 1: That phone call came a lot later on, on Sunday afternoon, morning-ish,
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  Speaker 1: 1158 or so. Authorities in the University of Idaho Student
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  Speaker 1: Death Investigation still don't have a suspect in custody, but
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  Speaker 1: they believe that several people are not suspects, including the
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  Speaker 1: person who made the first 911 call and the man
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  Speaker 1: whom two of the slain women called but who did
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  Speaker 1: not answer. So that answers that. I figured that that
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  Speaker 1: phone call would play a key here, but you know what?
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  Speaker 1: Wherever the evidence goes, I'm certainly not an investigator. So
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  Speaker 1: wherever this evidence goes, we're going to follow it. And
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  Speaker 1: if they believe that that person isn't somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: involved here, then we have to listen to what they're saying,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. At a news conference Sunday, Moscow Police Chief
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  Speaker 1: James Fry also declined to say which victims were on
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  Speaker 1: which floors of the three-story rental house where they died.
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  Speaker 1: Two of the four students were on the second floor
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  Speaker 1: and two on the third, police said. So, again, not
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  Speaker 1: that many questions have been answered even with this press conference.
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  Speaker 1: But remember, what they told us isn't everything that they have.
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  Speaker 1: The police are definitely way ahead of the general public.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to the investigation and they're tracking things down,
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  Speaker 1: they have access to information we don't have. So if
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  Speaker 1: they're going to rule people out, then I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: follow along with whatever they're saying until something changes. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly don't have the access to the information that
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  Speaker 1: they're rocking with. And I don't have, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: sources that they have. So I would think and I
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  Speaker 1: would hope that if they're ruling people out, there's a
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  Speaker 1: reason behind that. The news conference was the second time
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  Speaker 1: authorities addressed the public in person since the four students
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  Speaker 1: were fatally stabbed in an off-campus home a week earlier. Others,
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  Speaker 1: whom Moscow Police Captain Roger Lanier said are not suspects,
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  Speaker 1: include the surviving two roommates at the house, the man
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  Speaker 1: two of the victims made calls to, a hooded man
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  Speaker 1: seen on video with two of the victims, and a
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  Speaker 1: person who gave them a ride home. Responding to a
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  Speaker 1: question from a reporter... Fry said the 911 caller is
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  Speaker 1: not believed to be the killer either. All right, so
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  Speaker 1: where does that leave us, folks? I am honestly perplexed.
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  Speaker 1: Usually when we're rocking on a case like this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a couple of leads you can read between the lines.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought that with the phone call that that
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  Speaker 1: was going to be something that they could work with.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess not. So it's right back to square one.
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  Speaker 1: At least from the public's perception, I don't see how
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  Speaker 1: anyone can look at this and say, oh, yeah, This
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  Speaker 1: person did it with any kind of, you know, certainty
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. Obviously, people are going to speculate
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  Speaker 1: in the public square. And we have to remember, the
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  Speaker 1: Internet is like the water cooler at work now. But
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  Speaker 1: instead of just you, Joe and Sally sitting there BS
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  Speaker 1: and about it, everybody's doing it. So there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a ton of speculation on the Internet. You just
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  Speaker 1: can't help that. The problem is when people start, you know,
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  Speaker 1: accusing folks of doing things without any evidence, that's a
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  Speaker 1: little wild to me. And people should pump the brakes
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  Speaker 1: on that and let the police be the ones that
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  Speaker 1: provide the evidence, right? The four victims in the killings
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  Speaker 1: early November 13th were University of Idaho seniors Madison Mogan, 21,
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  Speaker 1: and Kaylee Goncalves, who were close friends, and junior Zanna Kernodle, 20,
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  Speaker 1: and freshman Ethan Chapin, 20, who were dating. The three
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  Speaker 1: women lived in the house while Chapin was staying overnight
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  Speaker 1: with Kernodle. Lanier recounted what happened that night. Kernodle and
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  Speaker 1: Chapin had been at the Sigma Chi fraternity house before
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  Speaker 1: returning home at about 1.45 a.m. on Sunday. Modin and
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  Speaker 1: Goncalves said, had been at a local bar and later
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  Speaker 1: a downtown Moscow food truck before returning home also about 1.45 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so they were at a party, meaning Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: and Chapin were at the Sigma Chi fraternity house hanging out, probably,
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  Speaker 1: you know, having a good time, playing some beer pong,
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  Speaker 1: watching some TV, whatever. And then you have Madison and Kaylee.
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  Speaker 1: They're at this local bar. So who did they run
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  Speaker 1: into at this local bar? Did they meet anybody there? Again,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we have to find out. And these
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  Speaker 1: are the holes in the timeline and in the story
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  Speaker 1: that we just don't have access to. The house's two
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  Speaker 1: other tenants had returned about 1 a.m., And did not
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  Speaker 1: wake up until the morning. Long after the attack. And
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  Speaker 1: that starts to explain that. Again look I've been there.
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  Speaker 1: I know that when I was in college. I had
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  Speaker 1: some foolish ass nights. I'm in Las Vegas. I grew
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  Speaker 1: up in Las Vegas. So I had some foolish ass
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  Speaker 1: nights in this city. Believe me. Where I'd come home.
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  Speaker 1: I'd get home at you know. Maybe not as early
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  Speaker 1: as 1. My night was usually starting at 1am to
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you. But I'd get home and I'd
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  Speaker 1: pass out. And I wouldn't hear shit. There could have
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  Speaker 1: been a nuclear explosion down the block and I would
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  Speaker 1: have been incinerated before I heard a thing. So I
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  Speaker 1: get passing out. But there was just a lot of
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  Speaker 1: questions when this all first started. Two roommates in the house.
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  Speaker 1: How didn't anyone hear anything? But we're starting to get
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  Speaker 1: some more answers, right? They're saying that they were asleep.
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  Speaker 1: That answers why nobody screamed. Maybe the other roommates had
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  Speaker 1: some headphones on or they're just too drunk and passed out.
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  Speaker 1: So there's just a lot of stuff that started to
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  Speaker 1: fall into place when they started adding some more details.
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  Speaker 1: And as this evolves, I think we'll start to see
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  Speaker 1: that with the overall case. Multiple calls were made from
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  Speaker 1: Madison and Kaylee's phone to a male. Previously, authorities had
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  Speaker 1: confirmed that the calls were made after 2 a.m. and
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  Speaker 1: that a man, a friend, was sleeping. Interesting. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: a man... A friend was sleeping. So there's that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about that earlier. The sister brought it up. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: it was Kaylee's sister who brought up the person who
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  Speaker 1: they called a bunch of times. So, you know, again,
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  Speaker 1: when you have that kind of information. That's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: big coincidence, in my opinion. But again, the police know
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  Speaker 1: more than we do. So as far as that phone
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  Speaker 1: call goes and as far as this investigation goes, at
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  Speaker 1: least as what they're telling the public, that that has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with their investigation or at least not
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  Speaker 1: a crucial part of it. When the 911 caller called
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  Speaker 1: two minutes before noon reported an unconscious person, police found
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  Speaker 1: the four students dead, two on the second floor and
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  Speaker 1: two on the third. Autopsies later confirmed that they died
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  Speaker 1: from multiple stab wounds and that all were likely asleep
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  Speaker 1: when the attacks occurred. Though, some victims showed defensive wounds,
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  Speaker 1: indicating that they struggled against the attacker. There was no
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  Speaker 1: sign of sexual assault, and none were tied or gagged.
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  Speaker 1: So that would signal to me that it's not some
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  Speaker 1: sort of, you know, predation type of crime. Not some
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  Speaker 1: sicko who gets off on this. And it would still
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  Speaker 1: signal that it's some sort of crime of passion of
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  Speaker 1: some sort. The person who did it was angry either way.
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  Speaker 1: That's as far as I'm willing to go with speculation
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  Speaker 1: because I have no idea. I don't have evidence in
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  Speaker 1: front of me. And just a spitball, for what reason?
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  Speaker 1: What would that accomplish? But whoever did it, as far
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  Speaker 1: as an overall generic profile, whoever did it seems to
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  Speaker 1: be very, very angry. When you look at the nature
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  Speaker 1: of the wounds, how many there were, and the way that...
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  Speaker 1: this all went down, it would say to me that
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  Speaker 1: the person who did this was absolutely enraged. But we
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  Speaker 1: know for a fact now, for sure, that there was
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  Speaker 1: no sexual assault involved. So the predation part of it,
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  Speaker 1: that's out the window. Maybe it's someone who just gets
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  Speaker 1: off on the killing. That's possible too. Again, everything is
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  Speaker 1: on the table. This is one of those wild cases
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  Speaker 1: where it's just very hard to pinpoint what went down here,
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  Speaker 1: especially because the information that we're getting. Now, that does
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  Speaker 1: not mean that the investigators aren't building a robust investigation
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes and already have somebody in their sights.
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  Speaker 1: They might. They might be using all kinds of 4D chess.
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  Speaker 1: Who really knows? But as of now... As far as
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  Speaker 1: the public knows, and as far as the community is concerned,
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  Speaker 1: there's a madman, or multiple madmen, running around who killed
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  Speaker 1: four people a week ago, and the police, as far
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  Speaker 1: as the public knows, they don't seem to be any
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  Speaker 1: closer to finding this person. Early in the investigation, police
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  Speaker 1: canvassed local businesses to see if any fixed-bladed knives had
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  Speaker 1: been purchased. The weapon used in the crime has not
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  Speaker 1: been found. Detectives searched three nearby dumpsters for evidence, but
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  Speaker 1: nothing of note was discovered. So they legitimately have no evidence,
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  Speaker 1: like physical evidence, that they've released to the public. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they might have some DNA stuff. They said the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene was a mess. And that takes time to go
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  Speaker 1: through all of that DNA. They're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: go through all of that and, you know, figure out
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  Speaker 1: what's what. But that's going to be a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a time-consuming process, for sure, to go through the DNA.
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  Speaker 1: Police have not disclosed who made the noontime 911 call.
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  Speaker 1: When we get ready to release that, we will, Fry said.
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  Speaker 1: Police have not released audio of the call. Interesting and interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And again, probably to protect the identity of the person
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  Speaker 1: who called right now, considering there's a madman on the loose.
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  Speaker 1: You want to let the person know that you're the
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  Speaker 1: one who called the cops? I'm sure these girls are
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  Speaker 1: traumatized after all of this. And the last thing they
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  Speaker 1: want is their name to be out in the news
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  Speaker 1: while this person is running free. Fry declined to say
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  Speaker 1: whether the attack was carried out by a single person,
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  Speaker 1: and he said he did not know why the attack
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  Speaker 1: did not wake up other roommates. Police still believe the
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  Speaker 1: attacks were targeted, but Fry said he is not able
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  Speaker 1: to say if any one of the four in particular
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  Speaker 1: was targeted. So that's that's interesting, too. What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty vague when you say that it
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  Speaker 1: was the attacks were targeted. Of course they were targeted.
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  Speaker 1: People were in the bed sleeping and somebody killed them.
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  Speaker 1: That's very vague. What does that mean? Can you give
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  Speaker 1: us a little more context, please? We do appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: community's support, Lanier said. We understand how stressful it is,
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  Speaker 1: and we will continue to work through this situation. Kedrick Wills,
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  Speaker 1: director of Idaho State Police, said the agency, working together
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  Speaker 1: with the U of I, Moscow Police, and FBI, is
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  Speaker 1: committed to solving the senseless murders. He encouraged the public
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  Speaker 1: to avoid speculation and instead rely on official information. And
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  Speaker 1: that's probably the best way to go. Now, again, look,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean people shouldn't speculate about it on message
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  Speaker 1: boards and stuff like that. You know, but when you're
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  Speaker 1: a media outlet or something and you have gigantic reach,
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  Speaker 1: you got to be real careful what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: We know that people want answers, Will said. We want answers, too.
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  Speaker 1: University president says some students will stay away. U of
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  Speaker 1: I president C. Scott Green said he recognized that some
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  Speaker 1: students do not want to return to campus anytime soon
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  Speaker 1: and want to finish the fall semester remotely. We're asking
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  Speaker 1: instructors to plan for both sets of students as they
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  Speaker 1: finish this semester, he said. And I talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about that yesterday. I thought that that there would
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of students that would be more comfortable
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  Speaker 1: going remote here. Because, you know, who the hell wants
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  Speaker 1: to deal with this? Especially if you were friends with them.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of PTSD, working through a lot of emotions.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be easy. I know in my own personal life,
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  Speaker 1: I've lost friends before. Car accidents, stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not easy. Never mind something like this. Investigators said
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  Speaker 1: they are seeking more surveillance from homes and businesses. within
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  Speaker 1: the geographical area of West Taylor Avenue, North Boundary, West
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  Speaker 1: Palouse River Drive, South, US 95, 2700 block East, and
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  Speaker 1: Arbiterium and Botanical Garden West. The target time is 3
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  Speaker 1: to 6 a.m., November 13th. So people who have footage
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  Speaker 1: in that area, they're looking to get that footage and
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  Speaker 1: go through it. And that's all part of building that profile, right?
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to build a house, you've got to
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  Speaker 1: build a foundation. And an investigation is no different. You've
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  Speaker 1: got to start with all of the little stuff first,
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  Speaker 1: the boring, the mundane. And then you build your case
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  Speaker 1: out from there. Now, of course, they have people profiling
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  Speaker 1: this killer or killers right now as we speak. The
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  Speaker 1: FBI is involved and they have one of their elite
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  Speaker 1: units there. So they're definitely profiling this person. And believe me,
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  Speaker 1: they're doing it better than any of us could ever
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  Speaker 1: hope to do it. So I'll continue to follow the
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  Speaker 1: news the way we've been doing it here. And we'll
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  Speaker 1: continue to follow it as far as the official reports
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  Speaker 1: and what comes out in these news articles. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we'll have another update tomorrow, and we'll keep it moving
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  Speaker 1: from there. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program.
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  Speaker 1: So about an hour ago, I watched the press conference
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  Speaker 1: from the Moscow Police Department updating us on where the
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  Speaker 1: case currently stands. And I have to tell you, I
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  Speaker 1: walked away pretty underwhelmed. Now, for me, I'm not looking
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  Speaker 1: for details about what's going on. But how about a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of clarity, a little bit of context about
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: decisions that have been made or comments that the police
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: department has made in the past and currently? We didn't
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  Speaker 1: even get any of that. It was just more of
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  Speaker 1: the same. And in fact, at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: press conference, a question was asked by one of the
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  Speaker 1: students who goes to Idaho University. And they said, as
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  Speaker 1: a student, what can I do to not be targeted?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm paraphrasing here. And the police guy says, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't believe this. He says, oh, you could be in pairs,
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  Speaker 1: travel with a buddy, breaking news. Both of these kids
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  Speaker 1: were traveling together. They were in a pair and then
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  Speaker 1: they were in their home when they got murdered. So
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  Speaker 1: how does that help anybody out? And if you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to provide any context or any clarity whatsoever, why
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  Speaker 1: even bother having a press conference? Just do a digital release,
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  Speaker 1: giving an update, a bullet pointed update on where the
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  Speaker 1: case currently stands. Instead of having this press conference where
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  Speaker 1: people are expecting a little bit of clarity. And when
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  Speaker 1: I say people, I mean the community. Imagine living there
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  Speaker 1: right now. If I would have sat, if I would
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  Speaker 1: have been a college student on this campus and I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: would have sat through that press conference, I would have
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  Speaker 1: been walking away with any sort of confidence that things
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  Speaker 1: are well in hand. In fact, it would have been
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  Speaker 1: the opposite reaction for me. And as a parent, forget it.
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  Speaker 1: My kid would be home already. Zero chance I'd have
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  Speaker 1: my kid here because we just don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And when you start moving this far away from the
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  Speaker 1: event itself, from the actual time of the murders, Usually
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  Speaker 1: that signals that the police really aren't too sure about
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  Speaker 1: where they're going here. Because if it's somebody close to
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  Speaker 1: the scene, close to the people who have been hurt,
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  Speaker 1: then usually they're able to put that together already. And
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  Speaker 1: it's looking like they don't have that kind of information
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  Speaker 1: where they're confident or that they feel like they're on
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  Speaker 1: the right track even. Now, again, there's always the caveat
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  Speaker 1: of them working behind the scenes and doing things that
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  Speaker 1: we have no idea about. And for me personally, I
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  Speaker 1: can't speak for anybody else. I can only speak for myself.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, I don't want the information, you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the inside information that they're working on. But I think
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it's important to clarify some of the statements that have
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: been made. For instance, why did you say it's a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: targeted attack? Well, that question was asked at this press conference,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and he said he's not going to answer that question.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: So what's the what's the deal? What would lead you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to believe that it's a targeted attack? Now, of course,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: they'll say that that has to do with the integrity
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of their investigation. But why did you say it was
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a crime of passion? And then we haven't heard it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a crime of passion again since that first comment. So
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: there's all kinds of inaccuracies by the investigators themselves from
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the beginning until now. And then. There's no clarity or
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: context to fix it. That's the real issue that I have.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Not the working behind the scenes stuff. That's how this works.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: This isn't my first day, not my first case that
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I'm covering. I understand. And there's a certain level of gamesmanship, too.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So they could be saying one thing in a press
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: conference and they can mean a completely different thing. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: in fact, that's really common in cases like this in
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: situations such as this. But for me anyway, it's about
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: clarity and context. Just be clear with your messaging. Be clear.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: clear with the message you're sending to the public and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: be clear with the threat level that the community is
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: currently facing. So with that said, why don't we take
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a look at what happened today at this press conference
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and go over some of the finer points. This article
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: is from CNN and Headline, Police Give Update on University
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: of Idaho Student Killings. This article was authored by Elise Hammond,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Mike Hayes, and Meg Wagner. This took our innocence. Moscow
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: police will amp up law enforcement presence after university break. Okay,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: so that's all fine and well, and I understand why
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you would do that, but what about now? What about
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the people that are still there? Moscow police say the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: law enforcement presence is going to be very heavy around
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the University of Idaho after the holiday break in the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: light of the killings of four students. Moscow Police Chief
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: James Fry said there will be a high impact of
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: patrol officers and troopers, as well as the Latah County
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department deputies in the area. And they went through
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the numbers of people that they have working the case.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people that are working this case.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. But the first 48 hours
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of a murder are so crucial. So what happened in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: that first 48 hours? That's the question that I have.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: In addition to heightened security, police are also urging members
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of the community to do their part and be vigilant
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: when they are out. In light of this, and maybe
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we should always look at it this way, vigilance. Always
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: traveling in pairs, knowing where you're going, telling someone when
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you arrive, and just that kind of general awareness. Now,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: let me ask you a question, okay? This is what
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I mean about mixed messaging. How does that help anybody?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Considering that all of those steps were taken by these kids,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: traveling in pairs, people knew where they were, and they
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: ended up dead. So... What sort of advice do you
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: really have for people and not just some sort of
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: cliche answer? Because there's people here who really are afraid, right?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: There's people, students, kids, they don't want to deal with
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: this shit. They want to know that things are locked in.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: They want to know that they're safe. And if I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: know that if I was sitting there on this campus
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and I watched that press conference, zero chance that I
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: would have confidence that that's the case. Chief Fry reiterated
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: calls for awareness but emphasized we do care. We do
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: want to provide a safe environment. We will continue to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: work hard and we will continue to do everything we can,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Fry said. We're here to provide that safety, he added.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Both Lanier and Fry asked for anyone in the community
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to report anything suspicious and let police handle it from there.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So the investigators are still looking for help, they're still
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: looking for tips, and they're still looking for people in
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the community who might know something, or who might have
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: seen something, or heard something, whatever it might be. They
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: are looking for any tip, any clue right now, to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: try and help solve this case. Investigators have collected more
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: than 100 pieces of evidence, police say. Idaho State Police, Colonel.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Kedrick Wills said there is a lot of work going
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: on behind the scenes as several different agencies work to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: investigate the murder of four college students. And I have
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I know that these people on
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the ground are working hard as hell. They're doing everything
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in their power to try and find this person. But
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: if they don't have the evidence or if they're playing
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: catch up, it's going to be very difficult at this point.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking, what, 10 days ago now that
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: this happened? And usually in an investigation like this, when
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: they talk about so much evidence, it's a crime of passion,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: like they first said, and then a targeted crime that
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: usually means that they know the person or suspect that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: they know the person who did it. How else could
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you come to that conclusion? I guess you could say
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: using the crime scene, it's a targeted event, but that's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a pretty vague terminology to use. Targeted event. Who was targeted?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Why were they targeted? And unfortunately, we just don't know.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: We still don't know. And I was hoping at this
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: press conference they'd fill in a couple of those smaller
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: details like that, but obviously they still feel like that's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a very important part of their case, meaning talking about
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the targeted nature of this crime. Will said the state
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: police are supporting the Moscow Police Department, which is the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: lead agency on the case. The FBI is also assisting,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he said. He said at a news conference Wednesday, investigators
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: have collected 103 pieces of evidence and have taken about 4,000 photos.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: They have also conducted multiple 3D scans of the house
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: according to wills. So this is an extravagant amount of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: evidence for a week's time. So they're taking, they have
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a bunch of evidence. The question is, what are they
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: going to do with it? And is it going to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: turn up any sort of suspect or any sort of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: evidence that leads to a suspect? So far, police have
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: processed more than 1,000 tips from the community and have
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: conducted more than 150 interviews. Leads from the community is important,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: he said. No tip is too small, he added, urging
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: anyone with any kind of information to provide that to police,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: promising that it will be followed up on. Will said
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: he has confidence in the investigation, but urged people to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: be patient, saying, I think what he meant was quality
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: for speed, but, Hey, I get it. I talk all
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the time on the radio and my words get tripped
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: up sometimes too, so I won't hold it against him.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And I understand what he's saying, right? He wants to
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: make sure that the investigation overall is protected because the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: most important part is a conviction. Let's remember that. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: as the public, I know that we're clamoring for answers.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And believe me, I get it. But sometimes you have
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to understand that they're doing work behind the scenes that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: we're just not privy to. And again, just to reiterate,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: for me, I don't really want to be privy to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: what they're doing behind the scenes. I want to make
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: sure that this person is brought to justice. But what
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I do want is clarity and context. And I'll keep
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: saying that because I think it's very important for them
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to be upfront and clear with what they are saying.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Moscow police released a list of people they believe were
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: not involved in the killings. So this was a pretty
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: interesting part of the news conference because there was a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: lot of talk about Jack. And again, the wording that
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the police were using left room for interpretation if this
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Jack kid was a suspect. Well, they cleared that up
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: today and they said that Jack is not somebody who is,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, involved in this. Not somebody that they're looking
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: at as somebody who was involved in these killings. Moscow
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Police Captain Roger Lanier said during a news conference that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: there are multiple people that police believe were not involved
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: in the deaths of four University of Idaho students found
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: inside their rental home. Lanier said the list of people
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: police believe were not involved include the two surviving roommates,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a man seen in a grub truck video circulating on
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the Internet, and a private party who drove Kaylee and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Madison home earlier that night. Lanier said police have also
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: ruled out individuals that spoke to the dispatcher on the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: 911 call as suspects. He also said that police do
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: not suspect a man that Kaylee and Madison called on
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: November 13th in the case. So those are the people
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that aren't suspects. Now, I'm sure there'll still be people
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: out there who are convinced that it was the dude
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that was being called on the phone, like I was
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: convinced it was at first, before the evidence was presented
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to us. There's still people out there that think it
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: was the grub truck guy, and I'm sure there's people
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: out there who think it's aliens or Bigfoot. But the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: truth of the matter is this. None of us know.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Not me, not anybody else, and not the investigators even,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: as far as we know. The only person who knows
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: who did this is the person or persons who did it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And when there's a lack of information and people don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: have all of the facts or people don't have enough
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: facts to go on, well, that's where these conspiracies pop
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: up and that's where you get all the noise. So
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's crucial that the police speak correctly, speak
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: clearly and use context when they're giving these press conferences
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: or making any statement at all. Make sure that if
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: somebody is cleared as a suspect, you make it clear
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that they're cleared. Like the situation with the guy that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was being called, you know, they said, oh, we cleared
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the phone calls. What does that even mean? Is the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: guy cleared that was being called? What does the phone
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: calls mean? Does that mean you heard them? You listen
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to them? Just saying the phone calls have been cleared. Well,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that leaves a whole lot to the imagination and you're
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: worried about conspiracy theories. That's how they pop up. So
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I think they would serve themselves well to be clear
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: with that messaging and to provide things in proper context,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: because without that, you're going to have a bunch of
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and you're going to have people who still
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: think that people who are cleared in this case are
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: still like somehow responsible when they've been cleared numerous times.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: So I hope that moving forward, they clean that up
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit and they provide a little bit more
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: detail and context when they do these press conferences or
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: like I said earlier, just don't even bother with them.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Until you have something concrete and you have something for
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the public to consume, what's the point? You're not, believe me,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you're not making anyone more comfortable up there. From the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: emails I'm getting already, people are like, what the hell
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: is going on here? Like, what's the point of that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: press conference? Now, one thing I will say that was interesting.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Towards the end of that press conference, one of the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: reporters asked a question about a case up in Oregon
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that is very, very similar to what went down here.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: A case that shares a lot of similarities. And I
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: think that we're going to talk about that case in
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: another episode coming up later on, because I think that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of similarities and a lot of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: comparisons can be made. Now, does that mean it's the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: same person? Of course not. But the investigator who is
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in charge of this case said that he was aware
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of what went on in Oregon and they're exploring all avenues.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So I think that it'll be a worthwhile add to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the catalog to talk about what went on in Oregon
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: as well. Also, one last thing before we close out
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: this episode. They also brought up the stalker or the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: alleged stalker that Kaylee might have had. Now, they said
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that they've been investigating that and they've been looking at
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of different angles. But they can't corroborate that
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: she did, in fact, have a stalker. So we're going
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to have to put a question mark next to that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and say that that's to be determined. They're still investigating
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that angle. And that would that would definitely provide some context,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: because if somebody was stalking one of these girls and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: somebody had some kind of, you know, crazy fixation on
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: one of them. then we're talking about a whole different
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: kind of case all of a sudden. So I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it's crucial for them to figure that out as well.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to make sure that we talked about
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that a little bit because earlier on I said that,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: according to the article we read, that there was no stalker.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But again, this is an evolving case and there's going
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to be updates. There's going to be things that change
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: as it happens. So we'll make sure that we try
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to add things to the catalog and update that stuff
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: as it does happen. All right, folks, that's going to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: do it for this one. If you'd like to contact me,
• 31:24
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• 31:32
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• 31:36
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• 31:42
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