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Episode 98: Shlomy · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together.
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  So depending what the the tone of the conversation I want to
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  be, I'll start off the podcast with either an introduction or
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  just start talking like this like myself.
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  So dude, tell me about yourself, another bit about yourself, and
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  then I'll kind of dive and we'll dive into it.
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  Where to start? Where to start?
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  What's your name? Where you're from.
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  My name is Shalamie Slatus from Savannah, GA.
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  Oh, I'm sorry. I want to clarify, sorry real
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  quickly that I'm happy to discuss a lot of Jewish topics,
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  but I want to clarify when we'll talk about them, not just to
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  refer to them in the Hebrew Jewish term, but he was
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  expressed whole concepts possible, yes.
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  So from Savannah, GA. I'm Savannah, GA, born and
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  raised there. My father's the rabbi there
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  since I'm a baby. Yeah, I'm 44 years old.
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  You're in school. Went back to school.
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  Which is awesome by the way. Where do you want to start now?
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  I don't know backwards. I don't know wherever you want.
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  Why don't you tell? Why don't you tell me about why
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  you, why you went back to school?
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  It was it, was it a hard choice? Because I know that it seems a
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  lot more daunting to me now that I'm almost 30 to decide to go
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  back to school, even for a advanced degree.
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  You know, I just feel like, when am I going to do it?
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  How am I going to have the time? What's, what's going, you know?
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  First of all, you there's time. It's a couple hours.
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  It's a couple hours. A week.
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  Yeah, I mean, if I did a double program which is up finishing in
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  18 months, suddenly I should have taken three years.
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  So which means I just have a double load.
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  So it's instead of like 2 hours of classes a week or three, it's
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  6-7 hours a week. Of classes that you're that
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  you're, that you're in zoom and in in the class.
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  For yeah, and then papers and whatever you know.
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  How's the education? It's good.
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  Yeah, I mean, Yeshiva University, Wurzweiler, it's
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  great. It's a little bit woke.
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  Be honest, really. I mean social work.
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  I went for social work. So the reason I went back to.
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  Social work, I've heard it's a very woke industry it.
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  Is like, that's, that's why it's, I challenged one of my
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  teachers one time and I said like, you're not making
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  therapists, you're making activists, you know, like
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  that's, that's what I felt like everything was about.
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  What were they doing? What were they doing to?
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  It was like cultural diversity and racism and cultural
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  sensitivity, which, which is important in therapy.
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  Like you have to know who you're talking to.
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  If you're talking to a black person from from the hood, you
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  have to understand where he's coming from, what his life is
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  like, how it's totally different than your life.
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  And to be able to relate on that.
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  Yeah, I think you could. I think you could.
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  But sitting there for 5-6 hours going through how terrible the
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  United States is and how racist they were, it's just
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  systemically racist. And we're all, if you think
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  about it, a little bit racist in our heart.
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  You know, it's and that's, I remember I heard like a comedian
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  one time. It was like, racism is like
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  hunger. Like sometimes you're hungry,
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  but not right now. I could have a cheeseburger.
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  Cuts you off in traffic, all of a sudden you're hungry.
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  So. It's one of those things, like I
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  have nothing against any other race or culture or anything, but
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  you know, growing up in in rural Georgia, like black people did
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  not especially if you went on the wrong side of town to MLK
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  Blvd. It was like you had you needed a
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  police escort to get out of there.
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  Really. So in Savannah, in Savannah,
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  downtown Savannah. How far was that from where you
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  were growing up? 15 minutes.
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  By walking or driving. Driving.
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  It's pretty far removed in terms of like I.
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  Was like Baltimore's like that also.
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  Yeah, great bring for Rockaways like that.
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  You know. Like, you go for a after beach
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  9th, you go to beach 11th, Yes, You're in the hood, yeah.
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  So Manhattan is like that, I mean, depending on different
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  parts of it, yeah. But how I view it is like it's,
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  it's, I don't, it's not that I don't like black people at all.
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  It's, and I don't know what we're talking about racism, but
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  like that's. OK, we can talk about it because
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  it's hard to do social work I. Think I know the best people I
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  know are black people like my my father shul.
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  There's three black families who are Maguire.
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  They converted. That's cool, really.
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  And they are like, they're the best.
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  They're the best people I know. Really.
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  They're better than anyone who is from, from from birth white.
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  They're so sincere. They're sort of genuine.
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  They'll do anything for anyone. Do you think because it takes,
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  it takes so much authentic enthusiasm and passion and love
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  for it that you wouldn't be converting otherwise?
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  Like you're making a serious commitment if you're black and
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  you're and you're and you're joining a like a typically
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  stereotypically, especially in America, enormously white
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  community because even if they're not white to Arabic, you
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  know they're not I. I would think that, but but like
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  one of the guys, he's he was a, he's an ex Marine.
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  Yeah, actually he doesn't like that.
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  You're never an ex Marine. You're, you're always a Marine.
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  He was a Marine. Yeah, so he's a Marine like he
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  was. Finished his service. 80s he
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  went into Granada like that, those Marines.
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  His wife was the one who wanted to be McGuire.
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  He had zero interest. And he went along for the ride.
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  Not only did he go along for the ride, but he's like Frommer than
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  she is really. Once he started learning Torah,
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  once he started like go to classes and everything.
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  Like he loves it. He loves it.
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  It's really interesting. And so that's, I mean, it's not,
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  it has nothing to do with the color of the skin.
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  I think it's cultural. It's just it's culture and the
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  code. The black culture is no fathers,
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  you know, they grow up on the streets.
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  Education isn't important to them.
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  It's like kill or be killed that that's the mentality there.
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  And honestly if and so it's not about their skin color, it's
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  just if they would be in a different if they would.
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  Be. Taken out of the hood and put
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  somewhere else, they'd be the best people in the world.
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  So, and I honestly, if you think about it like I've thought about
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  this, it comes from Noah, right? Noah had shame.
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  Khaman Yothas, right? His three sons.
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  Kum is the father of black people.
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  His curse was that his skin turned black, right?
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  That's a rash, he says. And if you look at what Kum did,
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  what did Kum do? He had no Busha.
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  He had no shame and he had no respect for his father.
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  Right. In the incident where Nah was,
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  yeah. And then there's different
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  extensions, different. There's different
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  interpretations as to what it meant that he.
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  He may have castrated. Him castrated, he may have.
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  But like the simple understanding is that hum saw.
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  His father naked. Father naked, which is not.
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  And not only like shame in Yufus right?
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  Being the father of all Greece and Rome and and.
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  Yufus is derived from the word yuf.
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  Yuf, right? Literally from beautiful.
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  Yeah, so become his response was like oh shit dog look how stupid
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  right and he's like he went out and got them to look so those
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  two things aren't like almost ingrained in his DNA.
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  These kids have no fathers They're it's a father issue,
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  right? They have 0 respect for their
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  father either because they're locked up or they're.
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  You know, statistics is in school, like when you like, when
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  you learn about these community about about about minority
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  communities and stuff like that, do you learn about statistics as
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  to, you know, whole families and complete families, stuff like
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  that? Yeah.
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  It's crazy. It's crazy, like they they try
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  to what are the what are the? Communities are like that.
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  None. None.
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  Asians are so family oriented Indians.
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  Hispanic or very? Hispanics are so family oriented
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  that 4 generations living together come.
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  They have no fathers. They're all raised by their
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  Mamas, right? And that's why a kid is called a
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  babe. Like it the mother's called a
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  baby his baby Mama. It's not even a, it's not even a
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  wife. They're all like so many of them
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  are born out of wedlock and that's it.
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  If they could just get those two things together, have a little
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  bit of shame, right? They're all like, yo-yo, they
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  weren't like, that's why they make a, they make $1000.
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  It's in their grill and their teeth and they get a chain,
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  right, and they get spinning wheels on their cars.
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  It's a lack of Busha. It's a lack of shame and coupled
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  with the fact that they don't have fathers.
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  Like you don't think that they could be overcompensating for
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  coming from, you know, a modest or poor background that that you
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  overcompensate and the second you get money, you just kind of
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  lose. Like you like I, I know that for
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  example, like I'm never responsible.
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  I'm never responsible by tax returns, right?
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  Like I'm never responsible like every every year when I get my
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  tax returns and like some years is more than others, but like
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  it's, it rarely is spent responsible when I get an
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  immediate deposit of cash. I I have like like so you might
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  urge to be responsible you. Might spend it irresponsibly,
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  but are you? Are you spending it in a
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  braggadocious way? Right.
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  Are you bragging? Depends what everyone to see.
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  That's shame. I I don't want to admit that I
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  do, but this I'm sure I certainly do.
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  We all do, you know, we all wear, we all, we all wear a
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  watch that that that that that costs more than within any watch
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  needs to cost and we all drive cars that cost more than cars
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  need to drop cost and OK. But you know, and like, you
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  don't see that there's a different level like.
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  But I I do by the way, I'm not. By the way, yes, I just think, I
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  just think towns and these Jewish people were driving
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  around like right when they made their deal.
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  Credit card debt. They have a Bentley now.
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  They have like the newest Rolex or whatever it is, Frank Mueller
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  watch and Gucci and everything. Yeah, I think that's that's also
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  it's it's a it's I, I call that, I say you're Schwatzer rich.
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  Like you, you make some money and like you display it for
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  everyone. It's a lack of sneeze.
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  That's. Why, by the way, when everyone,
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  all these rabbis who are like saying goat sneeze sneeze TS
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  your wife was her thing. Above her elbow, below the elbow
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  in the middle of the elbow, knee up.
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  Above the knee, lower and like they're and meanwhile half of
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  these guys who are saying this live in these crazy mansions.
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  Dr. these crazy girls. The terrace is Mahatsney Lechas.
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  Can you? Say that it means that you
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  should walk with God, with sneas, with modesty, which means
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  don't brag, don't show off everything that you have.
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  And it goes for women and it also goes for men.
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  And it's financial. And it's also bodily
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  hypocritical that like, these yeshivas are taking all this
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  money from the biggest like lack of sneeze, lack of modesty,
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  people who have the they show off the most.
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  It's almost like it's the opposite.
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  By the way, it's also, it's also, it's funny, I don't know,
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  I mean, you know, part of I have this experience all the time and
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  I actually have a back and forth fight about it with myself
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  inside. But there's a concept in Judaism
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  called miser and you give 10% of your, of your income to, to
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  charity. And you know, especially this
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  particular times, those campaigns going around where you
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  know, like my Chabad that I went to camp in Binghamton was
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  incredible. They, they changed so many
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  people's lives. They were such as they are they,
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  they, they are an overwhelming source of inspiration, good
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  values, grounded people. And they serve as like, like the
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  amount of people that impact relative to how many people they
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  have on step, excuse me, how many people have on staff there
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  is monumental. And you know, so I get, I give a
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  donation and, you know, and there's always that little check
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  box mark, you know, do this anonymously or not, you know,
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  like you always have like a little like, you know, conflict
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  inside, like, you know, do I do I market anonymous And like, no
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  one knows that like I gave 34500 dollars, 1000 dollars, $1500,
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  whatever it is. Or do you, you know, do you let
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  people see that that's what you're giving, you know, and,
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  and it's really interesting that it's such a temptation, you
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  know, because. It's a huge temptation.
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  I know and I was, and I would say I'm not that kind of guy and
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  I'm not that kind of guy, but I'm still tempted to be that
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  kind of guy. You know, like it's it's we.
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  I think that there's a natural desire to kind of display
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  prominence and. I think it's everybody has a
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  natural desire to be somebody, right?
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  We all want to be somebody and I, I honestly think if it's,
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  that's like why there's so much depression and anxiety in
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  today's world is because we've been taught that the way to
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  become somebody is. To be a celebrity.
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  Rich is to be have money and luxuries and that's it.
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  Like you watch a Lexus commercial, you watch a a
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  Breitling watch commercial. It's like this is the epitome of
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  you've made it, yet there's so many ways to be somebody.
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  You could do hesed you could be a teacher, right, right, you
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  could and you're actually somebody.
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  If you're a teacher, you could affect thousands and thousands
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  of lives. If you're a good, you have to be
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  a. Martyr because you're going to
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  make any money. But then like, how are you going
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  to live? I can't.
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  If I was a teacher, I would. I wouldn't be living here.
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  But that but you have to recalibrate what does it mean to
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  live like do you need? To afford a home, yeah.
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  So you need. You need a house.
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  You need a house and you need a vehicle.
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  By the way, I was thinking about this.
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  By the way, I was thinking. So where I teach, it's a Jewish,
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  it's a Jewish private school. So there's not there's none of
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  the public school benefits right you.
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  Don't get insurance or anything. I think full time employees get
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  insurance. I'm part time but anything full
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  time gets 4O1K match. Maybe, but you don't get a lot
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  of the benefits from the public school from the public system,
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  which is fine. But I know a lot of teachers,
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  for example, will work full time in public school, you know, and
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  then they'll come teach 3 or 4 classes in the afternoon, make
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  an extra 2030 grand. And what they're doing is
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  they're making 70 grand or 80, you know, 6070 grand on a under
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  salary. They got their pension, they got
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  their, they don't pay taxes because they're, you know,
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  they're teaching, they're public school teachers.
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  And then, and so, and then they're making an extra $20,000
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  teaching in the afternoons. They're making $90,000 with
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  benefits, a pension, 4O1K match and no taxes.
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  That's the equivalent of making 130 a $140,000 if you're
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  anywhere else, you know, like and you know, so, so these
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  people are living. I I think that you really could
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  ostensibly make a good living being a teacher.
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  As I have a good living, but like when you say martyr, I
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  think you have to rethink because we all want to be rich.
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  We all want to have all the luxuries.
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  We want to be able to go to Israel for Unsuckus and stay at
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  the King David. By the way, I don't know if
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  that's even the case. No.
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  I don't. That kind of stuff doesn't tempt
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  me, but the kind of stuff to me, money is a vehicle to being able
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  to do what I want to do. And I don't want to not be able
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  to do what I want to do. Now it happens to be I'm a
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  pretty simple person, right? What I want to do is I want to
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  teach, I want to play guitar, I want to do a podcast and I want
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  to go for jogs and have a small community that I'm close with.
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  You know like that's those are my value.
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  That's that's it. You go back to simplistic.
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  Bass. I'm exactly I'm exactly where
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  I'm exactly where I could be here for the rest of my life.
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  Much build on what this is right now and be the happiest person
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  on the planet. So then you're good.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And then there are things I like, right.
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  I like craft beer. I spent $30 on a on a bottle of
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  of beer that's smaller than a bottle of wine, which is
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  ridiculous, you know? But it's barrel aged in bourbon
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  barrels for two years and it's 14% with caramel and chocolate.
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  And I think it's delicious, and it's one of those things I love,
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  but they're allowed luxuries. And that, but that's a luxury
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  that like you're not and about to be.
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  Disciplined. I'm very hard of speaking to
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  everybody. You know you're not.
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  Yeah, Yeah, it's not. A show off thing.
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  That's that's what I'm saying the.
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  Showing off this is, is like what's making everybody
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  miserable. Yeah, social.
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  Media there's looking at what everyone.
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  Else has and the richest people and these are what's they're
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  taking from. So whatever.
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  I mean back like, anyway, back to school, yes.
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  Back to school, not racist. I just I truly you think that
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  you. Think that it's not you don't
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  like me just to change. The whole dynamic of black
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  culture, like I've been following this woman, it's
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  called the Compassionate Prison Project.
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  And she goes into the hardest lockdown, craziest lockdown
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  prisons for murderers. And she goes into the yard and
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  they all stand in a circle. And then she reads, she reads
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  off a list of things that could cause childhood trauma.
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  And it was like if your mother ever beat beat you until you had
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  marks on your body. Step forward.
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  And like. Half of the hundreds of people
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  were in step forward. If you grew up in poverty and
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  didn't know where your next meal was going to come from, step
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  forward and she goes and she's like, guys, you're all
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  traumatized and trauma that the the effects of trauma cause you
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  to have like this distorted view on reality and that if you would
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  have just you're so hardened because of your trauma and if
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  you'd be able to work on your trauma, do you think that's
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  true? Because I feel like a lot of
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  people would say that's already woke.
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  I don't think it's true about either saying.
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  I don't think so either. It's such a fine line, but I
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  think that a lot of people would push back.
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  You don't understand the. Ghetto in the hood that's I
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  don't by. The way it's so bad.
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  It's so bad. It's I grew up in the life that
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  you could ever imagine. Right.
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  I grew up in the safest middle, upper middle when I when I, when
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  we start, when when my parents moved in, it was just straight
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  classic middle America. And then became more, more
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  wealthy over time. But this is Muncie.
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  Yeah, and Wesley? Hills, yeah, but yeah, parents
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  bought their first house for $200,000 under foreclosure, but
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  it was a four two in a neighborhood that no one lived
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  anywhere near. And my mom hated it for the
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  first five years and they were living there.
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  That's all Jewish, right? And now it's all.
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  Jewish, yeah, but it took, but it took 30 years of them living
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  there. I mean, how many people are
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  devoted to anything for 30 years, you know, in in anything.
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  Hanging. In their careers and their
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  marriage and their you know, in, in religious affiliation and in
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  any, in any commitment. I mean, people are committed to
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  anything for 30 years. It's.
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  True. You know so.
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  I feel like if you stick around long enough, then then I, I, I
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  feel like the key to success is always, has always been to just
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  be disciplined enough to hang around for a little longer than
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  everyone else. And like everyone where everyone
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  else calls it quits and like, you know, like they just like,
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  OK, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done.
• 18:29
  Like if you just go another day longer, another, another
• 18:31
  episode, more, another, you know, another, another call and
• 18:34
  one more call, one more, one more sales call, one more
• 18:36
  hustle, one more. I'm so tired.
• 18:38
  I'm just go watch that last dish.
• 18:39
  Like that's all the difference in like your marriage and your
• 18:42
  wife wakes up and like the sink is empty as opposed to being
• 18:45
  full, You know? I mean, that's, that's true.
• 18:48
  It changes. Everything.
• 18:49
  So like, I feel like the people that are the most successful at
• 18:51
  anything just kind of outlast someone else.
• 18:56
  So. So I don't think it's woke.
• 18:58
  To say that, I don't think so either.
• 19:00
  By the way, I just think that people would say that and I, I
• 19:02
  would like, what do you think? What would you say to them?
• 19:04
  I don't know. I think I think you're right,
• 19:06
  but what do you what would you think people calling them?
• 19:07
  Victims that they're like need extra special treatment, right?
• 19:12
  But like, they need to be taught to, they know they have.
• 19:14
  Trauma. They need to, they need to, they
• 19:16
  need to taught how to. Everyone needs to be taught the
• 19:18
  tools that it takes to be a person.
• 19:21
  They have no resiliency and that's a trauma I think to me
• 19:25
  is. In Hebrew, there's a lot of.
• 19:27
  Words for a fool, right? There's like a kasil, there's a
• 19:32
  shota, there's and one of the words is pesi.
• 19:35
  OK, right. Like Torres Hashem tamima
• 19:39
  mahkimas pesi, which means it makes up pesi, which is a fool
• 19:44
  wise. But pesi.
• 19:46
  Rabbi Hirsch, if you look at him, comes from the word pito.
• 19:50
  Sudden, right? Sudden the same.
• 19:52
  The same it's the same root. So like all words you know
• 19:56
  there's from the same they have certain roots that that have
• 19:58
  certain contexts and if you root for.
• 20:01
  This word of a fool, which is why I think the more accurate
• 20:05
  translation would be an addict or somebody meaning they're
• 20:08
  startled. They're thrown.
• 20:11
  Off kilter from the smallest thing, right?
• 20:14
  And wow, there's such an interesting.
• 20:16
  Way of putting it and that's why it says.
• 20:17
  Shomer Pasayam Hashem into Hillam, which of Moshe Feinstein
• 20:21
  said about smokers in the 60s when he asked could you smoke?
• 20:25
  And he said these people are it's shomer pasayum, Hashem will
• 20:29
  guard the fools. But pasayum from that same word
• 20:33
  pasi, which is an addict, meaning Hashem is going to,
• 20:37
  he'll protect you from your addiction or whatever he was
• 20:40
  saying. But it's a trauma response.
• 20:44
  It's not having resilience. It's being startled easily and
• 20:48
  triggered, right? And that's what happens.
• 20:50
  I've been in, I've been in the ghettos and you look at someone
• 20:53
  wrong you. Make eye.
• 20:55
  Contact with one of these guys and you hold it for too long, it
• 21:00
  isn't to them. It's a sign of disrespect and
• 21:02
  they will kill you. It's a threat.
• 21:04
  It's a threat to them, you know? And it's just like, that's why I
• 21:08
  was always taught like, first of all, like keep your eyes down #1
• 21:12
  like if you have see someone just like put your eyes down
• 21:15
  immediately. It's a sign of respect, right?
• 21:18
  And always be like, if someone steps up on you, put your hands
• 21:20
  up like this. Like open hands.
• 21:23
  Yeah, So that you're not anything I'm.
• 21:26
  Not a threat. Like, come on, come on.
• 21:28
  Yeah, I don't want to. Do anything right?
• 21:31
  But it's. Showing you how bruised only
• 21:33
  people people who respond like that have the biggest bruises of
• 21:37
  on their egos right? So hurt.
• 21:40
  So it's it would. Take a long time.
• 21:41
  I don't think he's just be woke the answer.
• 21:44
  I think woke may have diagnosed the problem properly, but they
• 21:47
  don't have the right prognosis. They've never had the.
• 21:49
  Right, I know fortunately, by the way, because the only the
• 21:53
  only reason I say unfortunately is because I would love for any
• 21:55
  answer like I don't care where it comes from, you know, I mean,
• 21:57
  it all started from. Jews, by the way, every single
• 21:59
  social worker who's ever and therapist is starting from
• 22:02
  Freud, they were Jewish. It's compassion.
• 22:05
  This whole field is Hesed and Rachmanis.
• 22:08
  It was interesting. Because so Hesed, which is
• 22:10
  translated as charity, if taken too far, turns out to be one of
• 22:14
  the most like kindness taken too far turns out to be one of the
• 22:18
  most dangerous thing. Yeah, there's actually funny
• 22:21
  because I mean, from a from a Jewish lens and from a Torah
• 22:23
  lens, the the Torah used the word has said when referring to
• 22:29
  someone sleeping with their sibling.
• 22:31
  And that's the it's the greatest.
• 22:32
  Kindness you can do, right? Yet it's the.
• 22:35
  Most. Disgusting thing you could do,
• 22:38
  but that's what they. Always say in the 8th chiam, the
• 22:39
  tree of life, in the Kabbalistic, whatever you want
• 22:42
  to call it, chakra, right? Yeah.
• 22:44
  You have chesed that's tempered with gvuro, right?
• 22:48
  Gvor is the opposite of chesed. What's Gvora?
• 22:50
  Restraint. Gvora.
• 22:52
  Gvora is strain is, they say, strength.
• 22:54
  But it's not really strength. So what's the translation?
• 22:56
  What's the context restraint? It's withholding.
• 22:59
  It's with. It's restraint despite being
• 23:02
  prompted. Like.
• 23:04
  You know, because it doesn't take, it doesn't take strength
• 23:07
  to be resilient when there's no pressure, but it takes strength
• 23:12
  and your kids pissing you off to not yell at them and talk nicely
• 23:15
  today. So that would be the Gvorah that
• 23:16
  you're talking about. That's the translation but too.
• 23:19
  Much of Gvorah and that's why they say that Avraham was
• 23:22
  cassette. Yeah, right.
• 23:23
  But I said without tempering makes his one of his his bad
• 23:28
  seed. Was you small?
• 23:29
  Yeah. And you small is is they have
• 23:32
  this, you know they have 70 virgins right when they die and
• 23:36
  it's it's all like this Hasidic, it's this kindness based out of
• 23:41
  control. How is that based?
• 23:42
  How is that out of kindness though?
• 23:44
  I mean. Ishmael it's it, they're, it's a
• 23:46
  very the it's, it's, it's very sexualized.
• 23:51
  Like they even say they have, they have polygamy, they have a
• 23:54
  lot of wives. Their entire martyrdom is based
• 23:57
  on 70 virgins. It's just this like, I mean, how
• 24:03
  to explain kindness in yourself well, because.
• 24:06
  Because I so the root, I know that the root of kindness,
• 24:09
  right, in terms of judge to the is the root word of it is kin,
• 24:14
  right, which is like family. And you treat, when you treat
• 24:17
  someone with kindness, you're treating them as though you're
• 24:19
  your kin, right? As you're caring for them into
• 24:22
  in such, in such a way that this is the way that you would treat
• 24:25
  someone that you authentically love.
• 24:27
  And if you treat a stranger with kindness, why are they so
• 24:31
  baffled by that? Or why is it mean so much to
• 24:33
  people? It's because you got treated
• 24:37
  like a relationship that you didn't do much to deserve.
• 24:40
  And it's that kind of throws you off tilt a little bit.
• 24:43
  You're like, why are you being like, I don't know you, you
• 24:45
  don't know me. Why are you being so good to me?
• 24:47
  Why are you treating me like I'm one of your family and one of
• 24:49
  your own? You know, and it kind of all
• 24:51
  goes back to that way that, you know, we're all tribal in the
• 24:53
  sense that we grew from, you know, from little tribe
• 24:57
  communities of little tribes, you know, and, and that's how we
• 25:00
  learn to interact best. And that's what we do all the
• 25:02
  time, you know, And like, it's funny, I was talking to my
• 25:05
  students about this. You know, I'm trying to explain
• 25:07
  to them People travel with everything and like there's just
• 25:11
  different degrees of how back how far out you want to zoom,
• 25:13
  you want to go to a country or tribal about the fact you're
• 25:15
  American. You tribal about your religion,
• 25:17
  you tribal about the fact you're Jewish or Christian or you're
• 25:20
  you're you're a Muslim, you're a Hindu or whatever it is.
• 25:23
  And then even within those factions, right, you got, yeah,
• 25:28
  you got families, you got different interpretations, you
• 25:30
  got different, you got, you got different sex.
• 25:32
  And then even those sex within one another treat each other
• 25:34
  badly, right? Because we're all tribes within
• 25:36
  a tribe. And so, you know, so that's why
• 25:40
  it's such a shock and that's why I think kind of such a hard
• 25:42
  thing to, it's such a hard call to action for a lot of people
• 25:45
  because we're asked asking people to go beyond their nature
• 25:48
  where we're used to looking at people that we don't familiar
• 25:51
  with as a potential threat and to not treat them that way.
• 25:55
  And then how do people respond with that, You know, to that now
• 25:59
  I, I, I, I'm in the business, I'm in the sales and business
• 26:02
  world. And one of the first things my
• 26:03
  dad told me when I started working with him was like,
• 26:06
  never, ever underestimate the amount of liars and thiefs and
• 26:11
  chiefs that are out there. Because these guys will be your
• 26:13
  best friend for 10/15/20 years. And they'll ask for credit one
• 26:18
  time, a hookup one time until, you know, like, I've known you
• 26:20
  for so long, I'm not going to screw for this and disappear,
• 26:24
  you know? And that's the end of it, you
• 26:26
  know? And he told you that.
• 26:28
  He did tell me that's. Important.
• 26:29
  It's real. I mean, I've been so screwed.
• 26:32
  Before have you? Yeah, I, I, there are customers
• 26:35
  now where what I'll say to them, like, for example, the, the
• 26:38
  best, the most common line I hear from a customer is, oh, you
• 26:42
  give me a good deal, I'm going to come back and I buy, you
• 26:43
  know, I'm going to buy a ton of equipment from you, you know,
• 26:45
  and I'm like, how about this? I was like, I'm going to give
• 26:48
  you a total of, of a 30% discount.
• 26:52
  The first deal that you buy for me is 100% of his regular
• 26:55
  wholesale value. The next time you come to me,
• 26:57
  it's, it's, it's, it's 15% off. The next time you come to me is
• 27:00
  20% off and you're going to get that 30% off the same that, you
• 27:03
  know, the same way whether you like it or not.
• 27:05
  Hey, yeah, sorry. You're going to get this, you're
• 27:07
  going to get 30% off, but I want to make sure that you're going
• 27:09
  to come back to me. It's not coming off the top, you
• 27:11
  know. Yeah, I mean, I, I didn't think
• 27:14
  about it. That's what mortgage companies
• 27:16
  do, right? You pay, you pay, you pay your,
• 27:17
  you pay your interest before you pay your principal, you know,
• 27:20
  because they're like, let me, let me just make all that cash
• 27:22
  first and then, you know, all the money first.
• 27:24
  So, so after, so, so you grew up in Georgia in Savannah.
• 27:29
  When did you when did you leave Georgia for the first time?
• 27:32
  I was. I went to Shiva.
• 27:34
  There was no Jewish high school there, so I went to Shiva when I
• 27:37
  was 14. I got sent to that Philadelphia.
• 27:41
  Was it hard? Leaving home, yeah, it was hard
• 27:45
  to be. On on a lot of levels because
• 27:46
  like I I was most of my friends growing up were not religious.
• 27:50
  I went to a mixed school. My girls in my class until 8th
• 27:53
  grade and then I went pretty uncommon for.
• 27:56
  Rabbi's son. I mean, there's nothing.
• 27:58
  Else there, right? I mean, I only had two girls in
• 28:02
  my class, right, You know? And yeah.
• 28:05
  But. It was, it was hard like going
• 28:08
  to all boys school and it was like this shivish mentality that
• 28:12
  I had no understanding of, right?
• 28:16
  Which honestly seemed like it was almost like a different
• 28:18
  religion to me. It feels like it, right?
• 28:22
  I sometimes think. That I still think that.
• 28:25
  Well, I, I, I don't even think that it isn't, you know, but I
• 28:30
  mean, it is. It is the same religion, but.
• 28:34
  It's. In that, in that returning that
• 28:36
  tribal idea, it's just as like, I think more people treat it
• 28:41
  like a tribe than they do like, like being under one umbrella.
• 28:48
  OK. But I don't have AI don't have a
• 28:49
  problem necessarily with with the tribalism of it, but it's
• 28:52
  it's more of like the external judgement of it.
• 28:55
  Yeah, it's like they they need to, you need to look a certain
• 28:59
  way, you know, either with like pay is or, or like shaved hair
• 29:04
  or white shirt, black pants, sits is hanging out or and they
• 29:08
  need to be able to like look at you and be like, OK, Jack,
• 29:10
  you're good. You know, it's almost like an
• 29:12
  external immediate judgement. And they don't go into like the
• 29:16
  depth of who you are. It doesn't matter.
• 29:18
  It's just you have to look the part and there's nothing about
• 29:22
  like. There's very little.
• 29:24
  About the depth of who? Someone else?
• 29:26
  So I. Don't know it's like are you
• 29:28
  there a chakras on time? Are you you have to do all like
• 29:30
  the the outward things that make you part of that group.
• 29:36
  Wearing a blue shirt like. Wow.
• 29:38
  It's cool. Yeah.
• 29:39
  Lucy. Like you can start telling what.
• 29:41
  OK like I. Don't know so.
• 29:44
  It was, it was, it was a culture shock.
• 29:46
  How how long did it take you to get?
• 29:47
  Used to. How long are you there for?
• 29:48
  I don't, I don't think I. Ever got used to it?
• 29:50
  You never got 7 years. I don't think I ever.
• 29:54
  Got used to it 7. Years is a long time to not get
• 29:56
  used to something, but you never did you ever feel comfortable in
• 30:01
  that? Did you get comfortable at a
• 30:03
  certain point in the sense that like you just knew we were
• 30:05
  dealing with and like you figured out how to maneuver
• 30:07
  within that system? Yeah, I mean, I look.
• 30:09
  Back at it now and I feel like if, God forbid, I was ever
• 30:12
  sentenced to 10 years in prison, I would totally be comfortable
• 30:17
  after a few years and go with the ropes, you know?
• 30:19
  But I'd still be in prison. I think a lot of I.
• 30:21
  Think a lot of life is like that right like people aren't people
• 30:27
  don't like to change but once you actually once the change
• 30:29
  happens, we're pretty good at adapting to it right, right.
• 30:32
  You know, like you wouldn't like, we were very bad at
• 30:34
  voluntarily putting ourselves in scenarios where we have to
• 30:37
  change. But then when we do, we do, we
• 30:40
  do that's. Viktor Frankel's whole whole
• 30:43
  book may in search for meaning like you ever read that?
• 30:46
  I've read, yeah. I've read most of it like it's
• 30:48
  fat like. It's he found meaning and
• 30:50
  purpose, and he found his groove in Auschwitz.
• 30:53
  Yeah. You know, like, yeah, we.
• 30:55
  Could adapt to any situation that may be one of the.
• 30:57
  Craziest stories of all time, but my point?
• 31:00
  Is it's not ideal. It's not ideal, but yeah, I
• 31:04
  mean, so you asked me, did I ever get used to it?
• 31:07
  Did Viktor Frankel ever get used to Auschwitz?
• 31:11
  Kind of. But he was right.
• 31:14
  You're. Able to operate within it.
• 31:15
  But it wasn't, it wasn't the scenario you wanted to be in,
• 31:17
  right? Right.
• 31:18
  Right. I didn't understand it.
• 31:19
  It was just. So which?
• 31:21
  So you get out. So you get out.
• 31:22
  You're 21. What do you do?
• 31:27
  Then my father he he went to Mirror Yeshiva in Brooklyn,
• 31:30
  which is a. Very prestigious place, right?
• 31:33
  Yeah, I. Mean it's not as prestigious as
• 31:35
  Philadelphia, OK. But.
• 31:38
  Like it was a step down, really. Yeah, from Philly, OK.
• 31:43
  I mean, that's what. They say.
• 31:44
  But my father was very close with her.
• 31:46
  Schmuler Birnbaum. OK, he's a close student of his.
• 31:49
  I was. I was the last son of two older
• 31:52
  brothers. And he asked me like.
• 31:54
  Before I go to Israel. If I would go to.
• 31:57
  Brooklyn and learn for a year under approval.
• 32:01
  So I did that. It means a lot to your.
• 32:02
  Dad, that you do that, right? Yeah.
• 32:04
  It would mean a lot to him that you do that.
• 32:05
  It does. It made me a lot.
• 32:06
  And honestly, I did you not want to.
• 32:09
  I mean at. That point, I didn't care.
• 32:11
  Like, as long as I was out of Philadelphia, like I really, I
• 32:15
  really didn't care. Did you fight?
• 32:17
  To get out of Philadelphia earlier when I was.
• 32:19
  Younger as in like? Anywhere along those seven,
• 32:22
  along those seven years at any point, we're like, listen, I
• 32:23
  just don't like you. How can I go every year?
• 32:26
  And what was the answer? Say it's good for you to be
• 32:29
  there? Yeah.
• 32:31
  That's. So sometimes that really is a
• 32:34
  truth though, like I I so when I was in high school, I went to
• 32:39
  all boy school for two years that I hated and then I switched
• 32:42
  to a mixed school and that's not what made me like it definitely
• 32:47
  had a huge factor because I'm a teenage guy, but.
• 32:53
  My mom. Fought me tooth and nails to not
• 32:55
  switch and I wanted to go to this school since 8th grade.
• 32:59
  So for 8th, 9th and 10th grade, I fought with my mom about it
• 33:02
  and then eventually she gave, you know, she saw I was really
• 33:04
  unhappy and she eventually gave in.
• 33:08
  And. I always tell her I always.
• 33:12
  I've concluded, you know, 10 years later, 15 years later
• 33:17
  that. She was.
• 33:19
  Right. To force me to start in that
• 33:22
  school. And I was right that I should
• 33:26
  have switched over at some point.
• 33:28
  But it was. Very important that I started
• 33:33
  off in a more sheltered, wholesome environment that I was
• 33:38
  and I was not prepared for the other environment of self
• 33:42
  consciousness when it came to when it comes to other gender,
• 33:46
  you know, say, you know, a managing class work while being
• 33:50
  a while being a social individual, you know, and like I
• 33:54
  just wasn't, I wasn't ready to and I and trying to fit in right
• 33:59
  and trying to get social approval, you know, which I
• 34:01
  spent a lot of time trying to do.
• 34:02
  And if I started doing that since 9th grade as opposed to
• 34:06
  starting at 11th grade, I think, I think those two extra years,
• 34:09
  even though I was miserable, were way better for me in the
• 34:13
  long term then then, you know, then if I had gone my way
• 34:18
  immediately out of 8th grade, absolutely.
• 34:20
  Yeah, looking back. I mean looking.
• 34:23
  Back I could say that like there was there was like Philadelphia
• 34:26
  yeshiva. It was it was such a strict
• 34:28
  school like there was nothing. You weren't allowed to have any
• 34:31
  music, not even Jewish music really, because Bittle Toro, it
• 34:34
  was wasting time from learning Toro.
• 34:37
  We couldn't have any books like. Wow, like I remember in. 9th
• 34:42
  grade I brought Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park and a
• 34:45
  Garfield comic. And it got.
• 34:47
  Confiscated. I got called into the
• 34:50
  Mushkieff's office. The principal.
• 34:52
  Yeah, You know, it was like. And.
• 34:56
  Like even on Shabbos we weren't supposed, we weren't allowed to
• 34:58
  have ketchup and mustard on the table.
• 35:00
  You have to choose which one because both of them is too much
• 35:03
  desire really. That's how the school was.
• 35:06
  That's what I'm telling you. The guy was so culture shocked
• 35:08
  coming from a mixed school. That's so I know, but it was it
• 35:12
  was so intense. There's really there was
• 35:14
  nothing, nothing to do in that school and you were in West
• 35:17
  Philadelphia. Where do?
• 35:17
  Where do? Where do kids that go to that
• 35:19
  school and then what do what do they have to do with their lives
• 35:22
  in America? Really.
• 35:23
  Yeah, guys, in my class. Are the biggest rabbis now in
• 35:26
  America? Wow.
• 35:28
  That's why. Is that is.
• 35:30
  That my mother's like, do. You want you into the school.
• 35:32
  There's 2000 people that apply every year for ninth grade and
• 35:35
  they accept 20. She's like, I got you're in.
• 35:39
  She's like, you'd be, you'd be crazy to not accept this and go,
• 35:42
  I got you into Harvard. But it's like, what if you go to
• 35:44
  Harvard and Harvard's just not for you, and you're just
• 35:47
  drowning in Harvard? Then you leave.
• 35:49
  You should probably leave, right?
• 35:50
  But you have a mother who's like, just stay in Harvard.
• 35:52
  Yeah, because you're in Harvard. Yeah.
• 35:55
  It opens up doors and your whole life could be different.
• 35:57
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:58
  So look at that's what she wanted.
• 36:00
  And looking back at the end of the day, like, I don't think I
• 36:03
  would have learned. Like there's nothing else I
• 36:04
  remember being was the learning. Incredible.
• 36:06
  Do you crazy? Your your were your skills
• 36:09
  extremely, extremely sharp at that point?
• 36:11
  They still are, yeah. Yeah, that doesn't.
• 36:13
  Leave you the biggest rabbi. Is it?
• 36:15
  Doesn't that? Really.
• 36:18
  Kamara begins. Do you learn a lot?
• 36:20
  Yeah. I love it.
• 36:21
  It's like the only every day, yeah.
• 36:25
  My father. Who's the rabbi in Savannah
• 36:27
  every day of resume? Yeah, from 12:00 to.
• 36:29
  One really Kedushan Ben Gamora. She ties this from Shayna
• 36:33
  Makrinum Ripkayam, size 7,000,000.
• 36:37
  Like you know these. Have you heard these?
• 36:40
  I, I I. Heard a bunch of them.
• 36:42
  I can't. I can't say I ever have learned
• 36:44
  them. I, I, I, I'm extremely, I, I, I
• 36:47
  am woefully incompetent relative to so, so many people.
• 36:54
  There's not so many people this. Is I was literally taught how to
• 36:57
  be a rabbi, like how to be a rabbinic leader.
• 37:00
  Did you ever? Think did you think you were
• 37:02
  going to be? No, no, you never wanted to.
• 37:06
  Be you know what? I always, I honestly like when I
• 37:08
  was younger, I wanted to go into Kirov.
• 37:11
  Right, which is outreach. Like I wanted to be very
• 37:14
  knowledgeable but very down to earth like.
• 37:17
  Weinberger from Aish. What's his name?
• 37:22
  Jacob. Jacob Weinberger, Yeah, Yeah.
• 37:25
  Jacob Weinberger, yeah. Was incredible because what he
• 37:28
  was so amazing about him was that he was able to take the
• 37:31
  most philosophically complicated concepts.
• 37:35
  That's what I wanted in challenging concepts and he was
• 37:37
  able to water to make them accessible to hundreds of
• 37:41
  thousands of people, the most ignorant people.
• 37:43
  Have never heard anything. That's what my father does, by
• 37:45
  the way. Yeah.
• 37:46
  That's a real, real wisdom, my father.
• 37:49
  Is he is a Talmud Mavak, which means like the closest student
• 37:54
  to Rachel Berenbaum and he learned in Kolo until he was 33,
• 37:57
  became a rabbi in Savannah like my father.
• 38:00
  I have had rabbis like the head, the head rabbi of the Aguda in
• 38:04
  Flatbush, who knows my father. He was like, I can't believe
• 38:09
  your father's still in Savannah. Like your dad could have been
• 38:11
  the rush of Shiva. Why is there any?
• 38:13
  Issues because he loves it because yeah, that's.
• 38:15
  He likes doing outreach. And he could take the most
• 38:18
  complicated sugya, right? The most complicated topic of
• 38:21
  Gomoro with all the Rashonim and aphronum and present it to the
• 38:27
  biggest rabbi sitting there. And to like a total redneck who
• 38:32
  just drove to shul on Shabbos in a Dodge Ram 1500, right?
• 38:36
  Wearing boots and hats, sitting there, Rabbi.
• 38:39
  I'm here for Saturday services and he'll understand the concept
• 38:42
  of like, bug hulken bustle, right?
• 38:47
  I think that that is the ultimate manifestation of what I
• 38:51
  could true, Rabbi is agreed, that's what.
• 38:54
  I wanted to do. I thought I'd be a teacher in
• 38:56
  Asia. Torah or Saman?
• 38:58
  Yeah. If not.
• 38:59
  Start my own. Yeah, program stuff like that.
• 39:02
  So then what? So then so you ended up going
• 39:05
  to, so you left. So I went to Brooklyn.
• 39:07
  That's Philly you went to. Brooklyn for a year.
• 39:09
  So, Brooklyn. Miri She was living in Brooklyn.
• 39:11
  After living in Philly like it was like.
• 39:13
  It was like freedom, really. You like?
• 39:15
  You like Brooklyn? It was like there was.
• 39:17
  Nothing. There was no demands on you.
• 39:19
  There was no. You have to also realize in high
• 39:21
  school in Philadelphia, they shut the electricity got shut
• 39:24
  off at 11:00 PM. So you you couldn't even have
• 39:28
  like a lamp on, meaning it was lights, it was military lights
• 39:31
  out, right? You had to be up at 6:45 for
• 39:34
  Shockers. It was like.
• 39:35
  Military lights out. So I remember everything had to
• 39:38
  be battery powered fans lights, you know, after 11:00 PM till
• 39:43
  6:00 AM light, the electricity was off.
• 39:46
  I mean, I think the electricity to the air conditioning heat
• 39:48
  still worked, but otherwise there was no electricity.
• 39:50
  So I just remember like New York was like, it was, it was.
• 39:55
  To me. Relatively, it was so relaxed,
• 39:59
  you know, and also reptual Mirrenbaum, he was so he was so
• 40:03
  like open and loving and like the rabbi's who were in
• 40:07
  Philadelphia. It was like, I mean, reptual
• 40:10
  Komanetsky was very nice, but they were just, they were, they
• 40:13
  were already the biggest rabbis in the world, right?
• 40:15
  They were the Gadoli Adorf. So it's like there was almost
• 40:20
  this reverence to them. Like you were afraid to approach
• 40:22
  them even though, yeah, we were talking about.
• 40:24
  That a little bit. Isn't that weird?
• 40:25
  Yeah, I. So I didn't like that.
• 40:27
  Like now in retrospect, I should have been like, what am I like,
• 40:29
  I'm paying tuition here. Go talk to them.
• 40:31
  I. Know, but it's hard to do when
• 40:34
  they're on a pedestal. It's hard to do when you're
• 40:36
  looking when you when you when when they're this larger than
• 40:38
  life. The reputation precedes them and
• 40:41
  they're stuff. They're they're literally a
• 40:42
  stuff of legends, right? Like when you walk around and
• 40:45
  you and like you hear stories, first of all, there are
• 40:48
  definitely stories that are absolutely apocryphal about
• 40:51
  them. You know that you know, they're
• 40:53
  born and they're born with circumcised or you know that
• 40:57
  they, you know, whatever you know.
• 41:00
  And then you have and then you have legitimately treat them,
• 41:03
  you know, as they are, but like and with the reverence they
• 41:06
  deserve because they are truly great.
• 41:11
  But it removes and. But I don't even know that they
• 41:14
  they like they shouldn't be treated as equals necessarily.
• 41:17
  You know, like they you shouldn't.
• 41:19
  Be a you shouldn't be afraid to. Approach them but right you.
• 41:22
  Shouldn't be afraid of them. And that's why, by the way, the
• 41:24
  trouble Beer and Baum was to me on that same level.
• 41:27
  But he would approach you what he means really.
• 41:30
  He'd come up to you and that was what was.
• 41:32
  Amazing. To me, it was like schmollen
• 41:34
  Rebelia in in Philly. It was like you have to wait in
• 41:36
  line. 35. Minutes to maybe be able to talk
• 41:40
  to them. And then it's like, let me just
• 41:42
  wrap up my question really fast and it doesn't come out right.
• 41:45
  Yeah, I'm sure Beer and Baum would Used to come over to me
• 41:47
  and grab me by my lapels. Right.
• 41:49
  Like, did you understand the shield?
• 41:51
  Yeah. Did you understand the class?
• 41:53
  And then he said. Like he just, he made himself
• 41:55
  approachable. Yeah.
• 41:57
  So like, I enjoyed that a lot. So it takes a special.
• 41:59
  Person takes a special person to know when they're.
• 42:02
  Like, and also they looked at me like, what the hell is this
• 42:04
  Philly guy? It was like the last year these
• 42:06
  guys had been together since kindergarten and this was fourth
• 42:09
  year of college, right? Like fourth year of base
• 42:13
  Medridge. And they're like, what is this
• 42:15
  like Philly guy coming and reptual Beerbaum loved me
• 42:18
  because he loved my father. And he was like very happy I was
• 42:21
  in the class And like, I think like the guys there thought I
• 42:23
  was stepping on their toes and that like they felt.
• 42:26
  Threatened by me. Somehow.
• 42:28
  I mean, I made a couple of friends there.
• 42:29
  Is there a way to? Deal with that.
• 42:31
  What do you do about that? Just I was.
• 42:34
  Friends with like younger guys, yeah, like first year guys.
• 42:38
  And I was fourth year and I don't know, I found a couple
• 42:41
  people here and there. And that was for a year in
• 42:43
  Brooklyn. Yeah.
• 42:44
  And at this point, had you, you still had your desire to go into
• 42:49
  into outreach into Kira. I mean, honestly.
• 42:52
  I'll be you never really knew. What you wanted to?
• 42:56
  No, it was. It was after those years in
• 42:58
  Philly. Like I think, I think something
• 43:00
  inside of me broke. Really.
• 43:02
  Yeah, it was a long. Time.
• 43:05
  It was a long. Time, OK, it was just like it
• 43:07
  was. It was never.
• 43:10
  Ending, you know, 7. Years.
• 43:12
  Seven years is a long time. Your life was seven years ago.
• 43:15
  My parents. Were there, my parents were the
• 43:18
  ones who were telling me to stay there, but they never gave me
• 43:20
  like, oh, stay for high school. Like I had a couple of friends
• 43:23
  who came with me from Savannah, really one year younger, two
• 43:26
  years younger. They were there for high school
• 43:28
  and they left after 12th grade. But they knew that from
• 43:30
  beginning to end. And then they went to nary
• 43:33
  stroll in college or whatever. I my thing was like open-ended,
• 43:37
  right? Was I going to be there for four
• 43:38
  years? Five years, 6810?
• 43:40
  Yeah, No, there's No 10. Max was 8.
• 43:43
  That's why I left a year early. Wow.
• 43:45
  But you got out. Earlier, I think earlier.
• 43:47
  Like. Well, here's a big.
• 43:49
  Deal I. Know but I think something
• 43:51
  inside it was just like I just I was like so there's almost like
• 43:56
  this repressed like living and that's why after Brooklyn I just
• 44:02
  I like that's a little bit of the.
• 44:04
  Pushback that people have on the more the system.
• 44:09
  Well, the. More.
• 44:10
  Well, I think, yeah, it's funny because you don't even call it
• 44:14
  like, I don't even think it's more to the left or right
• 44:18
  because I think that. No, I think you're right.
• 44:20
  People do that. Steen Systems and people just
• 44:22
  don't like of course that your particular case is extreme
• 44:26
  right. But I think that a lot of people
• 44:29
  feel stuck in the world that they're in and they feel like
• 44:31
  there's no way to get out of it. And like, if their parents are
• 44:33
  invested in it, then like that's the only choice that they have
• 44:36
  and there's nowhere else for them to go.
• 44:38
  And a lot of times they're right because if they go another way,
• 44:42
  their parents freak out at them. One of the ways that I feel like
• 44:44
  my parents were great parents were because my, I'm one of six,
• 44:48
  all of us ended up totally different.
• 44:50
  And I'm like, that's how you know that there's good parenting
• 44:53
  that like all of us weren't like taught to just be afraid to be
• 44:57
  the one person that my dad or my mom is, and that all of us were
• 45:00
  just encouraged to be ourselves. And if so, like my and there
• 45:03
  were times where I did things, my parents would sit me down and
• 45:06
  be like, listen, I want you to really think about what you're
• 45:08
  doing before you do it. But like, we're ultimately not
• 45:10
  going to tell you you can't do it.
• 45:11
  You know, we're not going to tell you like, if this is what
• 45:14
  you need to do for yourself and this is your life and this is
• 45:16
  what you need. We don't think this is
• 45:18
  necessarily what's best for you, but you got to do you got to do
• 45:23
  you know, and and I would take what they said very seriously
• 45:25
  because of that, because they gave me the freedom, because
• 45:27
  they said I'm not holding you back, but the vet.
• 45:31
  But if you value our lives in the way that we have chosen, you
• 45:36
  know, we all the work that we did to raise you the way that we
• 45:39
  did, then this is antithetical to what we're trying to teach
• 45:43
  you. And that's a really, that's how
• 45:45
  my. Wife was raised, she was raised
• 45:47
  and she, she was like when I met her parents, I was like, you
• 45:50
  know, they're so open with like they're so they let you do
• 45:54
  whatever you want. And she was telling me stories
• 45:56
  as a kid, but she said to me that like.
• 45:59
  She. She.
• 46:00
  Felt this connection to them that she never ever wanted to do
• 46:04
  anything that would embarrass like the family name.
• 46:07
  You know. That like they've raised me a
• 46:09
  certain way and like, OK, I might go like here or there or
• 46:13
  this, but like I'll never do that.
• 46:15
  That would be like, that would be shaming my parents, you know,
• 46:19
  And I felt like that was really good.
• 46:21
  It was like a really good upbringing.
• 46:23
  And it wasn't like, you have to do this.
• 46:24
  You have to do that. It's like do what you want.
• 46:26
  But like there's certain lines you don't cross, you know?
• 46:28
  And, and, and listen, my parents meant well.
• 46:31
  Like I have great parents done your own.
• 46:33
  My mother has like Holocaust trauma and I love her to death.
• 46:36
  Your mother's a Holocaust. Father.
• 46:37
  Her parents. Her parents, by the way.
• 46:39
  That gender and that, you know, you can't compare the obviously,
• 46:44
  but the kids of people that went through the Holocaust have such
• 46:50
  a challenging way. It's crazy.
• 46:52
  It's crazy such such a challenge, I realized.
• 46:55
  My mother grew up with like, with like 0 affection.
• 47:00
  Yeah. Her mother worked 16 hours a
• 47:04
  day. She had like, nursing homes in
• 47:07
  Chicago. She was one of the original
• 47:09
  nursing home owners in Chicago, like all the rich nursing
• 47:12
  people. No.
• 47:13
  Like West? Rogers Park West Rogers Park.
• 47:15
  Nice. Yeah, sure, her.
• 47:16
  Place is. Buckingham on TUI and it's like
• 47:20
  a full square block on Tui, which is like the heart of of
• 47:25
  Rogers Park. OK, That's where like all the
• 47:27
  shuls and all the restaurants and everything.
• 47:30
  And she got. All of these like rich nursing
• 47:32
  home people today, Glenners, Reichenbach's, whatever, all
• 47:35
  these names she like helped them get started in the 60s and 70s.
• 47:40
  Really. She started hers in the 50s.
• 47:42
  Wow, your mom did. My grandmother, your grandmother
• 47:45
  my mom's mom. Wow.
• 47:47
  That's what she just. She's a key there, Senoro.
• 47:50
  She said I'm going. To take care of people, she's
• 47:52
  like, all I saw was death all around me, you know, It's
• 47:55
  amazing. People from down.
• 47:57
  It's so ironic that that's the reason why she got into it.
• 48:00
  She my mother. Grew up thinking, she said.
• 48:02
  You know, my mother didn't have any grandparents.
• 48:04
  They were killed. Yeah.
• 48:06
  And my grandmother told her that all these people in this
• 48:09
  building are your bubbies and zadies.
• 48:11
  That's beautiful. Like it?
• 48:12
  It's one of the most beautiful things that I've heard about.
• 48:13
  That's how she grew up. So, I mean, my mother has a
• 48:15
  heart of gold, but she, she, it's like she's trying to do
• 48:20
  she's. Trying to do what's right, but
• 48:21
  she thinks it's the right thing, Right, right, right.
• 48:23
  So then so there's a little coldness towards her children
• 48:26
  and a little bit of demandingness.
• 48:28
  You know, as an American kid, you know, especially this is
• 48:30
  like, we're not that far away from being immigrants.
• 48:34
  You know, my grandmother and grandfather were immigrants.
• 48:37
  Like, not just immigrants, refugees.
• 48:40
  So like. My mother grew up there, you
• 48:43
  know, So it's there's also like generational shift, immigration
• 48:47
  shift, there's. So the weight that the children
• 48:51
  of Holocaust survivors carried I don't think is nearly
• 48:55
  appreciated or discussed enough. My mom is actually.
• 48:59
  So my mom is the youngest in her family, but also my both my
• 49:02
  grandparents were Holocaust survivors.
• 49:04
  I think she was 12 or 15 years younger than her next youngest
• 49:06
  sibling. And she's like, by the thank God
• 49:12
  that I was the youngest because, because.
• 49:15
  By the time. I came around her Holocaust
• 49:19
  survivor parents had already were already dealing with
• 49:21
  teenagers. She was just pretty much flying
• 49:23
  under the radar the whole time, right?
• 49:24
  You know, my aunt and uncle were, were often, you know,
• 49:28
  being in the 80s, you know, as teenagers doing whatever they're
• 49:30
  going to do. And she got to do her own thing.
• 49:34
  But she's like, but I got to but but I would witness their my
• 49:38
  grandparents, you know, the way that my grandparents would treat
• 49:41
  my her older siblings. And she was like, you know,
• 49:45
  there was never the sense of blame.
• 49:47
  It was a sense of like, sadness that this is what their lives
• 49:51
  had become because of what they went through, You know, like, it
• 49:56
  was never like, I don't get why you're that way.
• 49:59
  So that works. For the children of Holocaust
• 50:01
  survivors, but the children of the children of Holocaust
• 50:04
  survivors, grandchildren like. Me and you so looking.
• 50:07
  At if our parents are doing the same thing as their parents,
• 50:11
  Yeah, yeah, we don't get it. Like we that that's I'm saying
• 50:15
  it's it's difficult for us. Yes, correct.
• 50:17
  Because we're privileged. We're more privileged about it.
• 50:19
  And I hate to use like that word in that kind of sense, but it's
• 50:22
  true. Like, but we are, we live, thank
• 50:24
  God, a million times. And whatever you say about, you
• 50:27
  know, whatever it is about Savannah, it sure is a hell a
• 50:29
  lot better than Eastern Europe, which I think it's another
• 50:31
  problem with. The yeshiva systems that I went
• 50:33
  to at least like they were teaching all my red ribayum, all
• 50:36
  my teachers were, were European and they were teaching American
• 50:40
  kids, you know, and I think there was like a little bit of a
• 50:42
  disconnect and it's like they're you're teaching European style,
• 50:46
  you know, to American kids and it's like you have to, it's
• 50:50
  still a problem. In the school system, I think
• 50:53
  what's the school system is based on the depression system
• 50:55
  now, like the classroom and the desk lined up in the bells for,
• 51:00
  you know, in the 40 minute or an hour long class structure
• 51:02
  they're trying to make you into. Factory workers, right?
• 51:04
  Yeah, Yeah, it. Wasn't meant.
• 51:06
  I mean, it's yeah, yeah, I have a lot of thoughts.
• 51:09
  I have a ton of thoughts on the education system, but I would
• 51:12
  love to. Revamp it, I thought, because I
• 51:14
  have you. So how?
• 51:16
  Because it's so because because what happens is toxic system.
• 51:20
  I know, but it's. So far reaching and the
• 51:22
  implications what you. Have to go to college?
• 51:25
  No, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 51:27
  It's because everything is based on it.
• 51:29
  What's based on it? Jobs.
• 51:31
  Jobs What high school diploma? Yeah, you can get equivalency.
• 51:35
  Like I have a daughter who has a little bit, maybe ADHD, 7 year
• 51:39
  old. And it's it's when we were in
• 51:42
  Savannah, she did fine because really small school, very
• 51:45
  friendly, half the teachers were her aunts or uncles, you know
• 51:49
  what I mean? And here she's just like in this
• 51:51
  system and the teacher wants us to medicate her.
• 51:55
  I don't want to medicate her of course.
• 51:57
  Not. Like if I could, I was like
• 52:00
  honestly she's not even learning anything in this class.
• 52:02
  Like she's 2nd grade. She comes home, she doesn't even
• 52:04
  know the parsha. She doesn't like what do all
• 52:06
  they're doing is. I've been really flirting with
• 52:09
  the idea of home schooling. Me too.
• 52:12
  I've really. Been putting with it and I can't
• 52:14
  think of many. Especially.
• 52:16
  Because what I'd want to do is kind of do like a Jewish school
• 52:19
  part of the day and then homeschool the rest of the day
• 52:21
  so that the kid gets social good.
• 52:24
  I think that I think it's a myth about.
• 52:25
  Being socially, first of all, if you have a, if we can get a
• 52:27
  group of parents who homeschool and then we're all together
• 52:31
  good. Or you they hang out with each
• 52:33
  other after, you know what I mean?
• 52:34
  Like, yeah, you could. Socially, I feel like these
• 52:37
  schools nowadays, especially to these Jewish schools, like it's
• 52:40
  almost socially toxic. There's so much bullying,
• 52:43
  there's so much jealousy. There's so much if you don't
• 52:46
  think it's good. To learn to navigate that I've
• 52:50
  I've, I've, I guess, yeah. I think that.
• 52:54
  Resilience is something that's really I think that kids are
• 52:56
  resilient and I think that resilience is taught at a young
• 53:00
  age. So let them get.
• 53:01
  Bullied and let no no no I. I don't mean let them get
• 53:03
  bullied, but I do think that there's something that, you
• 53:05
  know, the way that Jonathan Haidt describes it, he was a
• 53:09
  psychologist at NYU. That's not true.
• 53:12
  I don't know if he's a psychologist.
• 53:13
  He's a researcher. I don't know if he's a
• 53:14
  psychologist but I'm reading his isn't his.
• 53:16
  Book scattered or no? That anxious.
• 53:19
  Generation, generation. Yeah, I just got that in.
• 53:21
  Absolutely. It's, by the way, one of the
• 53:23
  most important books I've ever read, as my sister told me.
• 53:25
  Yeah. One of the most important.
• 53:26
  Books I've ever read as a human being that's not a Jewish book
• 53:31
  like from my, you know, from separate, like religious, like
• 53:34
  from most important as like a human being, even though I don't
• 53:37
  know if you can, right. But let's just say take out Judy
• 53:40
  for a minute. That's like up there with one of
• 53:42
  the most important that and to me, The Fountainhead.
• 53:44
  You ever read The Fountainhead? You got it.
• 53:47
  Like Ayn Rand. Is written in the 50s, maybe
• 53:49
  even earlier. It was.
• 53:51
  I mean, I read Atlas. Shrugged.
• 53:53
  So this. So this is way better.
• 53:55
  Yeah yeah. What's it called?
• 53:56
  In my opinion, The Fountainhead. The Fountainhead is pre Atlas
• 54:01
  Shrugged. She wrote it before that.
• 54:04
  You can buy an Amazon for 5-6 bucks.
• 54:07
  Putting in my cart. I haven't, I haven't, you know,
• 54:10
  I don't read it. I used to love fiction.
• 54:12
  I haven't read a ton of fiction because I found that I realized
• 54:15
  that what I liked is storytelling and storytelling
• 54:18
  with imagination, like coupled to my own imagination.
• 54:22
  And I realized that I could just read about anything I'm
• 54:24
  interested in. It doesn't have to be fiction,
• 54:25
  you know, like there's so many non fiction things that are so
• 54:27
  crazy and so interesting that I've distracted.
• 54:31
  Yes, I love 12 rules for life. 12 Rules for.
• 54:36
  Life I love 12 more rules is excellent I I bought his.
• 54:41
  God struggled with man or whatever.
• 54:43
  His Yeah, man, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 54:45
  What do you think of it, by the way?
• 54:46
  I think that he has I, I, he has such good.
• 54:48
  Insights into Toro, Yes. I was going to say, it's such
• 54:52
  good, such good insights into into Judaism.
• 54:55
  It's safer for. Jews called Jordan Peterson Ala
• 54:58
  Toro and just take all of his biblical ideas.
• 55:01
  What? What do you?
• 55:01
  Think the reaction would be to that?
• 55:03
  I don't know. Because.
• 55:05
  He's so Christian. He's so Christian.
• 55:07
  Not really. No, he's not.
• 55:09
  He is. No, he's not OK.
• 55:11
  I don't think he is even he used to say like he.
• 55:14
  I don't even know if he he. He he has.
• 55:17
  He, he, his whole thing is I. Believe in God like it's it's do
• 55:21
  I believe in. I act as if there is a God.
• 55:24
  That's what he says. I act I, I act but and I.
• 55:27
  Also think that there is a guy. I also think that's also missing
• 55:29
  something to it by the way, of course.
• 55:31
  But I think he's working things out.
• 55:32
  I could see him converting to Judaism within a few years.
• 55:35
  You think so? Yeah, He's gonna find.
• 55:37
  He does that whole thing with with Exodus.
• 55:40
  He's doing, he's doing. Amazing things, the things he's
• 55:42
  finding. The things he's finding are
• 55:43
  directly to our idea. Like I directly like ancient,
• 55:46
  unbelievable. Ancient to our.
• 55:48
  Idea went to one of his things. He was in Miami Beach and I got
• 55:50
  VIP ticket where I can meet him. OK.
• 55:53
  Did you meet him? Yeah.
• 55:54
  What was it like? What was he like?
• 55:55
  It's amazing. I gave him a.
• 55:56
  Book from Rabbi Torski. Really, Abraham?
• 55:59
  Yeah. Yeah, sure.
• 55:59
  Of course, yeah. Yeah, he's incredible and I gave
• 56:01
  him a book. By Rabbi Sacks which Which?
• 56:03
  He'll fractured. World, it's one of them.
• 56:07
  OK, I loved. His books.
• 56:09
  When I was in college, I saw sex.
• 56:10
  Yeah, he's amazing. What was the what?
• 56:12
  Was the, what was the big one, the great divide, the great
• 56:16
  partnership. So like the great partnership
• 56:18
  with science and religion. He, he was the first, he was the
• 56:20
  first big Jewish authority leader in a very, very, very
• 56:23
  long time to say that science and religion do not conflict
• 56:28
  with one another and that they're two sides of the same
• 56:30
  coin. I mean, not really.
• 56:32
  Well. There was a war.
• 56:35
  Of course, but. That was 150 years earlier.
• 56:37
  OK. But you said it was?
• 56:38
  The first icing Modern, more first modern guy.
• 56:40
  Because there was a certain point.
• 56:42
  So during the time, during the mid 1800s, there was an attack
• 56:45
  on religion, right? That's Muskelum.
• 56:48
  Well, the Melbourne not not judged in.
• 56:50
  Judaism throughout the world where the world said we have a
• 56:54
  scientific revolution, we no longer need God and religion.
• 56:59
  Religion responded by saying if you don't need us, we don't need
• 57:02
  you, which is a dumb reaction. The reaction should be, wait,
• 57:06
  why, you know, like what about? And then that's what Jonathan
• 57:10
  Sack says. He said, you know, the great
• 57:11
  partnership in the way that he describes it as science is the
• 57:14
  how and religion is the why. You know, the the science is the
• 57:18
  how does this work and the religion is OK, Now that we
• 57:20
  understand how this works, what do you do with it?
• 57:21
  What's the point of it? How does that apply to your
• 57:23
  life? What's your relationship, Zoar?
• 57:25
  Talks about The Big Bang. Yeah, Zoar.
• 57:27
  Systems. Are not good shell or there was
• 57:30
  a dot of light that Hashem expanded into the whole
• 57:33
  universe. Yeah.
• 57:35
  Yeah, the Zillahar. Yes, from thousands of years
• 57:38
  ago, you know, I was talking about.
• 57:39
  You know, there was someone, I forgot what the source was.
• 57:41
  I have to find it for you. But there was a source that.
• 57:45
  So in Judaism there's a concept called, you know, Mashiach,
• 57:49
  which is ultimate savior and the ultimate redemption.
• 57:52
  And then you have the notion of what we call Mahamis Gogumagog,
• 57:56
  the war of Gogumagog. And apparently there's an
• 57:59
  opinion. Maybe, I'm sure you know,
• 58:00
  actually maybe what it is that apparently the war is supposed
• 58:02
  to be 12 minutes. Yeah, right.
• 58:04
  Nukes. Where's that from?
• 58:05
  The Ville Nagorn. Said it and how?
• 58:07
  How? When did when?
• 58:08
  When did Nicole Hatar? When did when did Ville Nagorn
• 58:10
  live? He lived in 1700s OK.
• 58:13
  There was no such thing as nuclear weapons at the time.
• 58:15
  Go back into Novi. So when he.
• 58:17
  Says that there's that that that that the final war before the
• 58:20
  ultimate redemption is going to be 12 minutes and three 250
• 58:24
  years before there was nukes, you know, and now we find today
• 58:28
  we were like and then we have the personal further back.
• 58:31
  When you read the Haggadah, right before they say figs,
• 58:34
  Yeah, it says Dom the Ish, the Simros ocean.
• 58:38
  Yeah, right. You know those three blood.
• 58:40
  Yeah. Blood, fire, and well, it was
• 58:43
  Pillars. Pillars of smoke?
• 58:44
  Yeah, but a pillar of smoke is like when we were in the desert.
• 58:49
  It's called it Ahmud Ha Ashan. A pillar?
• 58:52
  Yeah. What is Tim Rose?
• 58:54
  I don't know. I'll tell you.
• 58:56
  What's? The root word of it?
• 58:57
  Tamar. A date poem Tim Rose Ocean Oh,
• 59:02
  like a mushroom. Cloud isn't.
• 59:06
  That crazy and that's talking about before the template.
• 59:08
  It's that's talking about that's from Joel chapter.
• 59:11
  Three. That's from Yoel.
• 59:13
  Chapter 3 and it says in the future by Gogomagog, there's
• 59:16
  going to be blood, fire and. These mushroom clouds.
• 59:20
  Mushroom clouds. Of smoke, Tim Rose, Ashana
• 59:23
  Tamar. Wow, so.
• 59:25
  All of this and by the way, if you go into yo Joel chapter 3
• 59:28
  further, he talks about the Arba.
• 59:31
  He talks about that there's going to be by Gogomogo, locust
• 59:34
  swarms with red eyes shooting fire, swarms of locusts shoot
• 59:40
  with red. This is how he does that.
• 59:42
  So what is that? Drones.
• 59:45
  Oh, interesting. Like what?
• 59:46
  He put to a second century prophet who's yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 59:49
  yeah, drones spitting fire. He they look like they look like
• 59:54
  so. Here's my here's my question
• 59:56
  that I by the way. So, so I've always been very
• 59:59
  skeptical. I don't know why, but I've
• 1:00:00
  always been very skeptical about, I've always been very
• 1:00:03
  skeptical about people that claim that like we're at the end
• 1:00:07
  of time, end of days, you know, like it's all coming to a
• 1:00:09
  combination because we've been saying that because Jews have
• 1:00:12
  been saying that in particular for thousands of years, right?
• 1:00:14
  Like we're always waiting for something to happen, like.
• 1:00:17
  Are we are we forcing this interpretation or are we like,
• 1:00:22
  how do we? Make sense once the technology
• 1:00:24
  once that's what it says once it comes, we can't understand what
• 1:00:28
  it means until it actually starts to happen and then you're
• 1:00:32
  like you look back and like, Oh my God, that's what's happening.
• 1:00:34
  So here's. So here's what I've been getting
• 1:00:36
  at. And then I actually, I want, I
• 1:00:38
  want to keep on going. I, I want to get back ultimately
• 1:00:40
  to, to psychedelics and the fun stuff, right?
• 1:00:44
  But we're already, we're already down here psychedelics.
• 1:00:48
  Are part of Machias coming? I think so too.
• 1:00:50
  But I think so here's what I've been listening like as what I've
• 1:00:55
  been thinking about as computing is getting greater and greater,
• 1:00:59
  we're getting more what, what's the, the main word that you hear
• 1:01:02
  today, especially out of concerned parents, is instant
• 1:01:05
  gratification, right? The notion that we get things
• 1:01:09
  without having, without having to appreciate what it is that
• 1:01:11
  we're getting, right, Aden Right.
• 1:01:15
  Or Garden of Eden, where Adam and Cava, Adam and Eve started
• 1:01:19
  was a world without any processes.
• 1:01:21
  And the Madras says that like the way that Adam and Cava had
• 1:01:25
  Kain and Hevel, Kain and Abel, two people got into bed, four
• 1:01:28
  people got off. There was no process of birth.
• 1:01:30
  There was no process of, of pregnancy.
• 1:01:33
  It was just two people got off the bed.
• 1:01:34
  On the bed. Two people got, four people got
• 1:01:35
  off the bed. We're living in a.
• 1:01:38
  World that's more and more and more that you don't have to do
• 1:01:42
  the work in order to be able to get the value of it.
• 1:01:45
  But the question becomes, what is the purpose of that?
• 1:01:50
  What's the? What is the?
• 1:01:52
  For the messianic age, like in the messianic age, it says that
• 1:01:54
  we're not going to be able to, we're not going to have to work.
• 1:01:56
  Everything will be done for us, right?
• 1:01:58
  With AI and robotics and free. And we're literally not.
• 1:02:01
  We're. Going to be the richest.
• 1:02:02
  Right, so then and we'll have everything.
• 1:02:04
  Provided for so then. The question has to become
• 1:02:07
  what's the point of anything? Because we're going to.
• 1:02:09
  Learn we're going to we're going to have a God consciousness.
• 1:02:12
  Ah, right. The purpose which is.
• 1:02:13
  Every reality which is evolution of our awareness of evolution of
• 1:02:17
  our traits and what I've been thinking about and everyone is.
• 1:02:21
  Becoming more godly. There's a Christian revival
• 1:02:23
  revolution going on right now since COVID.
• 1:02:25
  You think so? I know so.
• 1:02:27
  I followed this stuff because I do notice.
• 1:02:29
  That people are more. I think that there was like a 5
• 1:02:31
  and 10 year. Period where?
• 1:02:32
  People were afraid to say the name, say the word God, right?
• 1:02:36
  Oh God, atheism. 80s and 90s atheism was all the rage.
• 1:02:40
  Yeah, and new age bullshit stuff.
• 1:02:42
  Postmodernism. Is what we called it nowadays.
• 1:02:46
  Old school God is coming back into play people are looking for
• 1:02:50
  God they're because we realize that we.
• 1:02:52
  Need meaning. We need the water.
• 1:02:53
  We need the why. The how is not enough.
• 1:02:55
  The how is not enough exactly. Right, right.
• 1:02:59
  So I think that, but I think that.
• 1:03:02
  So my theory of what I've been thinking about, it's not even a
• 1:03:04
  theory, it's not even flushed out completely, is that when we
• 1:03:07
  have this world of but. On what you were saying is I
• 1:03:11
  think we are we're coming full circle.
• 1:03:12
  We're coming back to the Garden of Eden.
• 1:03:14
  I think we are that's. Right.
• 1:03:15
  Like look at all the curses, right Chava?
• 1:03:18
  Was gonna have pain in childbirth.
• 1:03:20
  We have epidurals, right? Adam was going to have to work
• 1:03:23
  the land by the sweat of his brow.
• 1:03:24
  We have like farming machinery, factories.
• 1:03:27
  Factories. We were going to like all the
• 1:03:30
  curses that that that were given are are becoming undone.
• 1:03:34
  Women were going to be second class to men, right Java, you're
• 1:03:37
  going to undone feminism. We're up to like 4th wave
• 1:03:40
  feminism today, which I think it's like with every new
• 1:03:44
  movement, it goes to extreme, but it's itself out and like it
• 1:03:48
  finally finds itself at the right to Ferris, which is what I
• 1:03:51
  was saying at the beginning. You have Cassed, you have
• 1:03:53
  Gavura, right? You have kindness.
• 1:03:55
  And you have. That is the perfect.
• 1:03:56
  Balance of the two, meaning you have to know when to give
• 1:03:59
  kindness and when to restrain. So I don't know that we're.
• 1:04:01
  Going to get that balance so soon.
• 1:04:03
  I think that we're, I think that what we're exceptionally bad at
• 1:04:06
  is balance, but. I honestly think AI is at some
• 1:04:10
  point it's going to be so generative that it's going to
• 1:04:13
  prove the existence of God. It's going to say we're going to
• 1:04:17
  ask Rock 7 point O yeah. But you know what?
• 1:04:21
  What is the meaning? Because.
• 1:04:21
  It's pilotry. It's programmed by atheists
• 1:04:25
  well. First of all, yes, but that's
• 1:04:26
  and that's the other. Problem.
• 1:04:27
  Right. So here's the thing about this.
• 1:04:29
  If the point of humanity and the point of let's say religion as a
• 1:04:33
  whole, right, is to elevate consciousness, we have primal,
• 1:04:37
  we have primal evolutionary, primitive, reflexive,
• 1:04:43
  animalistic DNA. And what we try to do is try to
• 1:04:48
  get beyond that, right? Again, you can even say that
• 1:04:51
  that whole kindness of conversation we had earlier,
• 1:04:53
  right, where you treat a stranger like kin is already
• 1:04:56
  beyond that, right? You're you're going beyond
• 1:04:59
  billions of years of evolution by treating someone that you've
• 1:05:01
  never seen before with a smile and how you doing and that that
• 1:05:05
  would never happen because you get killed, right?
• 1:05:09
  I mean, you know that that that's just what the answer is,
• 1:05:12
  right? And and so when so I think that
• 1:05:16
  when people, I think that, you know, everyone always says that
• 1:05:18
  like the days of machetes that are going to come, the days of
• 1:05:21
  the quote UN quote, ultimate redemption are going to come.
• 1:05:23
  Everything can be very painful or very beautiful.
• 1:05:26
  They might be painful because when we're doing these things
• 1:05:28
  like AI, we're developing them without coming from the place
• 1:05:34
  of. That.
• 1:05:35
  Elevated sense of consciousness. We're coming from a place of
• 1:05:37
  censorship. We're coming from a place of
• 1:05:40
  trying to control a narrative, and power is the ultimate goal.
• 1:05:43
  And whereas the opposite should be true, it should be
• 1:05:46
  democratized information where everyone has access information.
• 1:05:50
  And it should be that everyone has X-Men, by the way.
• 1:05:54
  And the biggest problem that exists today is that there's so
• 1:05:56
  much information. It's so hard to even determine
• 1:05:58
  what's real or not. It's so there's studies backing
• 1:06:01
  up everything. You know, fluoride kills you,
• 1:06:04
  makes you Dumber and is the best thing in the entire world.
• 1:06:07
  And there's no middle ground. And, and vaccines are the best
• 1:06:10
  thing and the worst thing. And there's no middle and you'll
• 1:06:12
  never meet anyone that's like, I don't know about vaccines.
• 1:06:14
  You know, like if someone says I don't know, it probably means
• 1:06:17
  they're against it or it means that they think that they're
• 1:06:19
  speaking to someone that's against it.
• 1:06:20
  And they don't want to say that they're pro about vaccines.
• 1:06:21
  And they're the worst thing in the world, right?
• 1:06:24
  You want you want to talk about that?
• 1:06:26
  We could talk about that. Let me actually just pause.
• 1:06:27
  Have to go to the bathroom. Let's pause here for a second
• 1:06:30
  and then we'll pick up to one. We're back.
• 1:06:34
  We got fresh ice for our tequila.
• 1:06:37
  Here we go. Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  Thank you. Perfect.
• 1:06:43
  I'm fine. Was that I had a kid.
• 1:06:48
  Huh. Between between Sunday and now
• 1:06:53
  what? Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  Thank you very much. Thank you.
• 1:06:55
  Had a baby girl, Ariella. That's awesome.
• 1:06:58
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know.
• 1:06:59
  I was going to ask you. Yeah, thank.
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  God, it was. It was.
• 1:07:02
  So you had her right. Here.
• 1:07:03
  Yeah, right here. Memorial.
• 1:07:04
  Did you just walk there? You walked there?
• 1:07:08
  It's amazing to be here. My mom flew in.
• 1:07:11
  Wait. So where is she?
• 1:07:12
  Now she's she's in search. She's.
• 1:07:14
  Mom's here. And then?
• 1:07:15
  My mom, my mom actually went, went, flew home tonight.
• 1:07:17
  She was here. I always give birth on Monday
• 1:07:19
  night. It's amazing.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy, dude.
• 1:07:24
  Your neighbor yet? Yeah, Ariella.
• 1:07:26
  Ariella to me, mom. Actually funny because we could,
• 1:07:30
  we could wrap up this segment of the conversation with this.
• 1:07:33
  I really feel very strongly. That names.
• 1:07:38
  Have influence over a personality.
• 1:07:43
  And there are also personalities that fit into names, right?
• 1:07:46
  And so my wife and I had a bunch of names that we thought about,
• 1:07:50
  but we weren't sure about until we actually saw the baby.
• 1:07:54
  And we looked at her and she didn't look like any of the
• 1:07:57
  names that we had planned out. And I did not want the name
• 1:08:00
  Ariela originally. And I was like, but this girl
• 1:08:03
  just looks like an Ariela. And like that she looked a
• 1:08:05
  little like a little almost like tougher.
• 1:08:09
  And I wanted to give her a name that also would kind of round
• 1:08:12
  her out a little bit. And so Tamim or Tamima Tamim is
• 1:08:15
  the word means wholesome. It means rounded.
• 1:08:18
  And I wanted like specifically like, you know, I don't want to
• 1:08:22
  deny her her nature, but I want her to, you know, to be also
• 1:08:25
  well-rounded. So funny.
• 1:08:27
  My wife is so into that. Is she her?
• 1:08:29
  The names there's a whole. Do you have your wife has that
• 1:08:32
  book? There's a book.
• 1:08:33
  It's an all Hebrew and it goes into the personality traits and
• 1:08:38
  characteristics of each name. It's incredible.
• 1:08:42
  I'll send you. I get a I get you the link for
• 1:08:45
  that. I'm saying like we named.
• 1:08:46
  One of our daughters after her great aunt, yeah, her great
• 1:08:49
  aunt, she was like, she's a Holocaust survivor and she was
• 1:08:52
  like a little bit miserable person.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah. So like, and her name was Sarah.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah. So she was like, I kind of want
• 1:08:59
  to round. It out with her and so.
• 1:09:01
  She named her Sarah Eliza, which is joy.
• 1:09:04
  Yeah, it's. Beautiful and it's really and.
• 1:09:06
  I'm telling you this name. It's like.
• 1:09:09
  Perfect for this daughter. Like, she's 13 years old now.
• 1:09:12
  Yeah. And it's like she's just like.
• 1:09:15
  She has this like. Serious nature, but like it's
• 1:09:17
  almost like a. Like a.
• 1:09:19
  Deadpan humor. Yeah, sure.
• 1:09:22
  It's just like, it's perfect. It's like by the way.
• 1:09:24
  There is, there's such a beauty in that because like that's what
• 1:09:27
  like what makes a lot of comedians great is like their
• 1:09:29
  ability to have humor about something but serious.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah, but, but, but, but have that serious observational power
• 1:09:35
  and have that real realism. It's it's it's a real, real
• 1:09:39
  skill to make your first kid is a.
• 1:09:40
  Boy, my first son's a. Boy, he's 2.
• 1:09:43
  And then my daughter who's four days old.
• 1:09:46
  That's awesome. And the whole house feels
• 1:09:48
  different. The whole, the whole house feels
• 1:09:52
  like there's like just more warmth than life in it.
• 1:09:55
  And it it's just like, and maybe this is like romantic, you're
• 1:09:58
  coming back and like it's like it's new and like soon it's
• 1:10:01
  going to be chaotic and a nightmare and maybe it will be,
• 1:10:03
  you know, But that's it. You know, that's you Sign up
• 1:10:05
  for. Did you vaccinate?
• 1:10:06
  Her we did not yet. Don't do it, man.
• 1:10:09
  We didn't do it. We.
• 1:10:10
  We we talk about that for a couple minutes.
• 1:10:11
  Let's talk about it. I think it's really important.
• 1:10:13
  Let's talk about it. Let's dive into it.
• 1:10:14
  Tell me what? Tell me So what?
• 1:10:16
  What have you? What have you researched?
• 1:10:17
  Background. Wise, it's not even about
• 1:10:19
  research I all my kids are vaccinated fully OK in in 2017 I
• 1:10:27
  I told you this before didn't I, about ibogaine yes let's.
• 1:10:31
  Talk about So where do you want to start from?
• 1:10:33
  Vaccines are ibogaine. I mean one leads.
• 1:10:35
  Into the other so let's I'm involved in a biotech company to
• 1:10:37
  bring Iboga to FD approval OK before that guy so before.
• 1:10:42
  Then let's get let's get, let's get cuz let's get this a little
• 1:10:45
  bit in in order, but also covering all the topics.
• 1:10:48
  So right now you are so. Let's start with let's.
• 1:10:52
  Start with addiction. Let's start with with opioids.
• 1:10:55
  So. After Brooklyn I basically try
• 1:10:59
  to live my life that I missed out from 14 to 22 OK in like 6
• 1:11:07
  months. No in like a.
• 1:11:08
  Four year span. OK, fine.
• 1:11:09
  It's pretty good. I'm just saying like.
• 1:11:11
  I was, I was everywhere, did everything.
• 1:11:13
  Where were you living? Everywhere.
• 1:11:15
  Everywhere you were single, I was.
• 1:11:17
  Single. OK.
• 1:11:18
  And. What were you doing for work at
• 1:11:19
  the time? I had.
• 1:11:20
  A couple of real estate stuff. I was selling insurance for a
• 1:11:23
  little bit, just odds and ends like I didn't need to make a lot
• 1:11:26
  of. And where were you living?
• 1:11:27
  I was in. Maryland.
• 1:11:28
  I was in Jackson, NJ, I was in Brooklyn for a little bit, in
• 1:11:32
  the city for a little bit. Which part of the city?
• 1:11:35
  Upper. West side nice where?
• 1:11:37
  West End. Ave. and 82nd, 82nd sure.
• 1:11:40
  That's what do you what's the building called Ours.
• 1:11:42
  Was the Mansfield. It's it's the next door.
• 1:11:46
  There's another big Jewish building.
• 1:11:47
  That's the Jewish building. No, there's a big.
• 1:11:49
  Jewish building that's right next door to it, that's very,
• 1:11:51
  very popular. It was there was like.
• 1:11:54
  A lot of single stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a whole.
• 1:11:56
  Lot from the West side, right? I don't.
• 1:11:57
  Know, but like, I was for six months, maybe I was there, yeah.
• 1:12:01
  I hated it, by the way. I wasn't.
• 1:12:03
  Like going out socially, especially not in the Jewish
• 1:12:05
  community. Like I was going to like Pig and
• 1:12:07
  Whistle on 33rd and Lexington. Cool.
• 1:12:09
  Yeah. I'm.
• 1:12:09
  Familiar with that place, by the way.
• 1:12:11
  Yeah, like whatever. Like I.
• 1:12:13
  What were you? What were you doing at the time?
• 1:12:15
  What were you like? What were you in terms of your
• 1:12:17
  life? Were you?
• 1:12:18
  I was literally just on. Cruise control you were just
• 1:12:20
  enjoying. Yourself, I was just.
• 1:12:21
  I had. I was just like.
• 1:12:24
  What were your passions at the time?
• 1:12:25
  What would you enjoy? Would you love?
• 1:12:28
  Were you looking for music? Were you looking for?
• 1:12:30
  People were looking for music I played.
• 1:12:31
  Music. Oh yeah, you're a.
• 1:12:32
  Musician I played. Guitar.
• 1:12:34
  I was playing guitar all the time with the Red Lion in the
• 1:12:36
  village. You ever been to the Red Lion?
• 1:12:38
  No village. I just play guitar.
• 1:12:39
  They're all the time. Just like covers or your own
• 1:12:42
  song? Yeah, both.
• 1:12:43
  Mostly covers my own song. Sometimes I would take songs and
• 1:12:48
  put my own words to it. We should jam together.
• 1:12:50
  Sometime we should, because I I've never played with another
• 1:12:53
  musician before. I mean, I'm not like I know I'm
• 1:12:56
  not either. I taught.
• 1:12:57
  Myself and I just, I just jammed and like I found good people to
• 1:13:01
  do it with. I smoked a lot of weed and then
• 1:13:05
  I got into like a little bit of underground drug culture.
• 1:13:08
  Nothing crazy. Like I remember I did cocaine
• 1:13:10
  once, hated it really. I was like, what was it like?
• 1:13:14
  Do you? Describe it so we're out.
• 1:13:16
  In Vegas, I've never been tempted.
• 1:13:17
  Even by it. Well, I wasn't.
• 1:13:19
  I would. Never was either, but I'm in
• 1:13:20
  Vegas one night. So I also, I used to love rap.
• 1:13:23
  I used to love like Nas and Tupac and Biggie and and N.W.A
• 1:13:29
  and and Wu Tang. Like I loved them.
• 1:13:32
  Like I knew mom was like their songs were Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:36
  And then Eminem. Came on the scene and that was
• 1:13:38
  that was. An explosion, right white dude?
• 1:13:40
  Like and he was so fast and his rhymes were like double, triple
• 1:13:43
  rhyming cadence schemes, you know, like while he was putting.
• 1:13:46
  Out songs, everyone was getting blown away every, every time.
• 1:13:48
  Crazy, yeah. Crazy he never he revolutionized
• 1:13:51
  rhyming schemes like people like nowadays.
• 1:13:54
  Now it's normal but like. She's the father.
• 1:13:58
  Of it, yeah, I mean he's. Like a rhyme.
• 1:14:00
  Like he would say a a murderer rhyme, right.
• 1:14:03
  One word at a time. So he's rhyming murder.
• 1:14:07
  Yeah. Murder rhyme.
• 1:14:09
  Word time. You never heard of a mind as
• 1:14:14
  perverted as mine? Yeah.
• 1:14:16
  Redid. That night, Dylan did a lot.
• 1:14:17
  Of that, Springsteen did a lot of that, but I don't.
• 1:14:19
  Doing it in such a rapid fashion and like it was just.
• 1:14:22
  It was such a good and his Beats by Doctor Dre were so good.
• 1:14:27
  Anyway, so I'm at the House of Blues.
• 1:14:29
  We're I was with my cousins. We used to party like crazy.
• 1:14:32
  I was never a gambler, but they'd love to gamble.
• 1:14:35
  So they got comped at in Vegas at the Mandalay Bay.
• 1:14:39
  But it was Mandalay Bay, the hotel building when was.
• 1:14:43
  It in 90s no this. Is 2004 five 2004 it got comped
• 1:14:50
  Michael Douglas suite at the Mandalay Bay the hotel meaning
• 1:14:54
  he was a crate like I used to see him drop he used to lose
• 1:14:57
  2030 grand in a Michael Douglas. No, my cousin.
• 1:15:01
  Oh. Gay like he was.
• 1:15:03
  So that's crazy. It was called the Michael
• 1:15:04
  Douglas Suite because that was his suite that he.
• 1:15:07
  Gotcha, gotcha. He was like.
• 1:15:08
  Almost a full floor on like not the penthouse but like 5 How did
• 1:15:12
  he do? Is he a good?
• 1:15:13
  Gambler or is he I? With they're always.
• 1:15:16
  Liars. Gamblers are liars.
• 1:15:18
  So like you can never play he. Always used to give.
• 1:15:20
  Me, all the guys who used to go with, I was the guy who held
• 1:15:23
  their ATM and debit cards. Yeah, at the beginning of the
• 1:15:27
  night. Oh, interesting.
• 1:15:28
  So that they went. I didn't gamble.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, they knew. They were like, don't give it to
• 1:15:31
  us. We're going to be coming to you
• 1:15:32
  at 3:00 in the morning asking you when you take out money and
• 1:15:35
  don't give it to us, we're going to rule.
• 1:15:37
  Did you? Give it to them or no?
• 1:15:38
  No, no good for you. Yeah, it's really it's.
• 1:15:40
  Black eyes. Really.
• 1:15:42
  You're? Drunk. 3:00 in the morning, it's
• 1:15:45
  my fault. Good morning.
• 1:15:46
  Give it to me like dude, you told me not to give to him not
• 1:15:49
  giving it to you. How far good for you?
• 1:15:52
  My friends, these are my. Some of them are cousins.
• 1:15:54
  Yeah, yeah, it. Was such a.
• 1:15:55
  Degeneracy, by the way, it's so, and I'm looking up now, I always
• 1:15:58
  see this freaking the Hard Rock. Like Hard Rock?
• 1:16:01
  By the way, it. Destroys so many.
• 1:16:02
  People's lives. I don't know if you gamble
• 1:16:04
  really, but like, oh the the. I don't gamble gambling.
• 1:16:07
  Destroys lives worse than anything else, and it's.
• 1:16:11
  I don't gamble because I'm scared.
• 1:16:12
  Me too. I took my wife to Vegas a year
• 1:16:14
  and a half, almost two years ago.
• 1:16:16
  My my grandmother lives there part time and she has a lot of
• 1:16:20
  connections over there. And she hooked us up with a room
• 1:16:22
  in the the Aria next door to the Venetian.
• 1:16:27
  And and I show, I show my wife how to play craps, right.
• 1:16:31
  First thing she does, she wins 100 bucks and I'm like, we are
• 1:16:35
  golden girlfriend. This is great, you know, and we
• 1:16:39
  don't play again for two days. You're like, and we took that
• 1:16:41
  100 bucks. We spent, we spent it on tickets
• 1:16:45
  to a concert. Chainsmokers are playing in it.
• 1:16:48
  Had residency in the hotel. Yeah.
• 1:16:50
  So we spent 100. We spent 100 bucks there.
• 1:16:53
  And I'm like, OK, love, now that we're up, you know, like, you
• 1:16:56
  know, like, we're up, you know, like you're up.
• 1:16:58
  You win. You, you, you know, the house
• 1:16:59
  money is yours. You're the Conqueror.
• 1:17:01
  You know, you, you, you're staying in this beautiful hotel
• 1:17:03
  for nothing. And they, they just gave you 100
• 1:17:04
  bucks and a couple of free tequilas.
• 1:17:07
  And I was like, and for two days, I held myself out for a
• 1:17:09
  day and a half. I helped myself out from not
• 1:17:11
  going back. And then before we left, I was
• 1:17:13
  like, come on. I love you know how to play.
• 1:17:15
  Preps Yeah, I. I played.
• 1:17:17
  I played a couple of times. OK, let me.
• 1:17:19
  Know how to play the It's a fun. Game it's, I'm extremely, I'm an
• 1:17:22
  extremely conservative guy in terms of, in terms of the sense
• 1:17:26
  that I'm extremely risk averse and I don't like to like a guy
• 1:17:28
  value my money. And I look at, I look at it like
• 1:17:31
  the wreck Exchange for something that I could be getting.
• 1:17:34
  So like 100 bucks in my bank account equals 5 great beers
• 1:17:38
  that I like at a brewery and like, you know, and the Uber
• 1:17:41
  back and forth and like, I'm very happy for $100 to be worth
• 1:17:44
  that experience, $100 at a craps table where it's gone in 3
• 1:17:48
  minutes and I'm, and I walk away and I'm like, where'd that go?
• 1:17:51
  It's not a good feeling. I, I, I, I, I, it's, and it
• 1:17:53
  happens more often than not. So I'm I'm not.
• 1:17:55
  Which by the way, I. Think I was saved.
• 1:17:58
  The reason I'm not a gambler is I was 18 years old and we had an
• 1:18:03
  off shop is from Philly. Yeah, right.
• 1:18:05
  And and I I couldn't go to Savannah.
• 1:18:08
  It was like too expensive or whatever.
• 1:18:09
  And I went to one of my friend's house in who lived in Elkins
• 1:18:13
  Park, like Northeast Philadelphia, and he was like,
• 1:18:17
  yo, Saturday night we're driving down to AC to Atlantic City.
• 1:18:21
  It was like 45 minute drive in Philly.
• 1:18:24
  And I was like. OK, You know, I went with him
• 1:18:26
  and I think it wasn't, no, it was blackjack.
• 1:18:30
  And he explained to me how to play blackjack, you know, trying
• 1:18:32
  to get 21 and whatever. He was like, I'll sit next to
• 1:18:35
  you. And I remember I had like saved
• 1:18:37
  up throughout these Chevy years, like, I had like 500 bucks,
• 1:18:41
  $550, you know, yeah, like my savings.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah. And.
• 1:18:46
  And I brought it. I brought it.
• 1:18:48
  I was like, OK, we'll try. I, I.
• 1:18:50
  And he was telling, he kept telling me like double, like I
• 1:18:52
  lost. And I was like double down.
• 1:18:54
  I lost all my money in like 1520 minutes.
• 1:18:57
  Yeah. And.
• 1:18:58
  You never want to do it again. I just remember.
• 1:19:00
  Like this is the worst thing in the world.
• 1:19:03
  Like this is so awful. Like all like years and years of
• 1:19:08
  me saving 50 bucks here, 20 bucks here's 50 bucks here.
• 1:19:12
  It's gone, it's gone. And I I read.
• 1:19:15
  I read an. Article that I don't know that I
• 1:19:17
  necessarily 100% agree with that said that a lot of times
• 1:19:22
  gamblers have an addiction to punishing themselves really, and
• 1:19:26
  that actually losing is like part of what it is, a cutter.
• 1:19:29
  Feel like you deserve? It like you feel like it's like
• 1:19:32
  those people like. Themselves.
• 1:19:33
  You're a freaking. Loser.
• 1:19:34
  You're an animal. You're an idiot.
• 1:19:35
  And like and like almost like we have the and I don't know if I
• 1:19:41
  buy it necessarily. You know, I don't know if I
• 1:19:43
  necessarily 100%. I do believe there are people
• 1:19:45
  that put themselves in like challenging and pleasure come.
• 1:19:48
  From the same part of the frontal lobe.
• 1:19:51
  That's why cutters peak, peak girls who, like, cut them feel.
• 1:19:54
  Yeah. It's also, it's like they get
• 1:19:56
  pleasure out of the pain. Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah. Pain and pleasure are at the
• 1:20:00
  same spot in your frontal lobe. It's interesting.
• 1:20:04
  So anyway, I was in the I was in.
• 1:20:07
  I was in the Mandalay Bay. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:20:09
  So you're. Having the right time.
• 1:20:10
  So you're having the right time for these four years.
• 1:20:12
  The Edds. No, no, by the way, this what
• 1:20:13
  we're talking about. This is my this is what all my
• 1:20:15
  podcasts are like. OK, but I mean I'm in the.
• 1:20:17
  Mandalay Bay, the hotel my cousin we got comped to have,
• 1:20:21
  you know, where like they rope off the front and it was the
• 1:20:24
  House of Blues, OK, which is in the lobby there and the roped
• 1:20:27
  off table service and they had Redman and Method Man from Wu
• 1:20:32
  Tang Clan. We're putting on a concert.
• 1:20:35
  Oh, that means the Wu Tang Clan was a rap group in the OK OK
• 1:20:39
  gotcha. And it was like 7 black dudes
• 1:20:42
  and two of the main guys was one guy's name was Method Man and
• 1:20:45
  one was Red Man. OK, they're still rappers today,
• 1:20:48
  OK. So they.
• 1:20:50
  Were by themselves putting on a show and I, we were sitting
• 1:20:56
  right out front and it was like an empty house.
• 1:20:59
  And I I remember after it was like in between sets we were
• 1:21:02
  drunk as can be. And my cousin was like, slimy
• 1:21:07
  you should go up there and rap. You're better than them, right?
• 1:21:10
  OK. And he said that do you?
• 1:21:11
  Know how to rap? Yeah, OK, he said that.
• 1:21:14
  Really loud and are you a Kitty? That's an A.
• 1:21:19
  Raccoon. That's a raccoon.
• 1:21:20
  That's a huge raccoon. Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  He's how he just fell out of that tree.
• 1:21:23
  Yeah, yeah. So he's like, you should get up
• 1:21:28
  there and rap. You're better than these guys,
• 1:21:31
  right? They heard him say.
• 1:21:32
  That heard him say that. And they're like, yo-yo, White
• 1:21:35
  Bull, You think you're better? He's like, get up here.
• 1:21:38
  So I knew a rap from 1996 that Wu Tang Clan, their band brought
• 1:21:45
  in this Jewish guy and he sang a Holocaust rap.
• 1:21:49
  OK, you. Knew that.
• 1:21:50
  And you knew that rap. Yeah, it was.
• 1:21:52
  Like Reuven Ben Menachem, yo, my own blood dragged into the mud
• 1:21:55
  in my house. So, you know, it was like
• 1:21:57
  create. Like, I remember it back then,
• 1:21:58
  yeah. And it was about the Holocaust.
• 1:22:03
  And I got up. There and I, I, I was like, give
• 1:22:06
  me a beat, right? I was like, give me a beat.
• 1:22:09
  He's like started the beat and I did the whole thing.
• 1:22:13
  And I'm. And both of them were like, yo,
• 1:22:15
  dude, this white boy, this white boy could spit.
• 1:22:19
  It was something like that, right?
• 1:22:21
  Very impressed by it. Afterwards they finished their
• 1:22:25
  set and they came. We were like only people in the
• 1:22:28
  VIP section, right? With like, those red velvet
• 1:22:31
  ropes, Nobody. Could come into our.
• 1:22:33
  Section we had table service and free booze and like yo-yo, yo,
• 1:22:37
  where you guys? And my cousin, by the way, was
• 1:22:39
  like he's like he he wasn't starstruck.
• 1:22:42
  He was just like, who the fuck are you?
• 1:22:44
  You know, like he was he would be like anyone if you met the
• 1:22:46
  Queen of England, like who the fuck are you?
• 1:22:48
  Get out of here. So he he was like acting like
• 1:22:52
  that to them. Yeah, people like that, right?
• 1:22:56
  Those guys. Liked it?
• 1:22:57
  Yeah, they liked it. And they're like, they're like,
• 1:23:00
  yo-yo, you guys got to come hang out with us and all bitches
• 1:23:02
  later, right? In.
• 1:23:04
  Our in our room, we're staying here OK my cousin's like no, no,
• 1:23:07
  no you need to come to our room, he said he.
• 1:23:10
  Said he said it to the to. Method Man and Redman, right?
• 1:23:13
  And they're like. What, you mean your room?
• 1:23:16
  He's like, we're in the Michael Douglas suite.
• 1:23:18
  He's like for real. So he's like, OK, we'll meet
• 1:23:21
  you. That we had nicer room than
• 1:23:22
  them, right? Anyway, they're like, OK, we'll
• 1:23:26
  be there in an hour. And we, we go upstairs, we're
• 1:23:30
  like pouring drinks or whatever. An hour later we get a knock on
• 1:23:34
  the door. It's like.
• 1:23:36
  Eight, I mean eight. They must have been hookers.
• 1:23:42
  I mean these black hookers like Hoochie, you know what I'm
• 1:23:46
  saying? Nothing.
• 1:23:48
  They come in and Method Man and Redman come in after them, and
• 1:23:51
  one of them was carrying this glass square mirror like a
• 1:23:56
  mirror with this like little mountain of white powder, No.
• 1:24:00
  Way they come in. And Method Man is like, aye,
• 1:24:03
  aye. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:05
  yeah. This is good.
• 1:24:05
  This is a good crib. This is a good crib, man.
• 1:24:07
  Yo, shit, Look at that view. It was like, because we have the
• 1:24:10
  whole floor, you know? Yeah.
• 1:24:12
  So they put. It on the bar and you know, at
• 1:24:16
  that time, like I had, I smoked weed a little bit, you know, a
• 1:24:19
  lot, whatever. I took Adderall a few times, you
• 1:24:24
  know, we took a Percocet. I was not 2.
• 1:24:25
  Different compositionally from coke, from folk, right?
• 1:24:28
  That's what my. Cousin convinced me.
• 1:24:32
  So method they all like. So the girls, like, cut up, you
• 1:24:36
  know? Yeah.
• 1:24:36
  And then method was like, yo, brah, whatever.
• 1:24:40
  I don't want to say my cousin's name.
• 1:24:43
  He's like, yo, B, Yeah. He's like take a hit, you know,
• 1:24:48
  And my cousin did it. He's like, he's like this.
• 1:24:51
  And Method Man was like, this is the best Colombian shit you will
• 1:24:54
  ever find in your life. And my cousin was like, this is
• 1:24:58
  this is amazing. He's like this.
• 1:25:00
  He's like, I've never. It's so like another guy who was
• 1:25:04
  with us did it and the Method Man did it and one of the girls
• 1:25:07
  did it and then Redman did it and like, yo-yo, yo, rapping
• 1:25:11
  white boy. Come on, come on.
• 1:25:12
  Right. Yeah, I was like.
• 1:25:15
  Yeah, I'm not. It's.
• 1:25:15
  Cocaine like I'm not. What is it?
• 1:25:17
  So oh man. I'm so tentious thinking about
• 1:25:21
  it. I'm so tentious thinking.
• 1:25:23
  Just got it. He's like, yo-yo, just take,
• 1:25:25
  man, OK? He's like, what do they take?
• 1:25:27
  What do you think to say no to him?
• 1:25:29
  It was like I. Could have said no, but you
• 1:25:30
  know, he commenced. He's like just take a teeny
• 1:25:32
  bump. He like cut the line in half,
• 1:25:34
  right. And I remember going, he gave me
• 1:25:37
  like the straw thing and I went like, like that.
• 1:25:41
  And I had such a crazy like like.
• 1:25:45
  React No. Reaction like to sneeze.
• 1:25:47
  I sneezed and coughed. It was like that.
• 1:25:51
  The entire mountain. No, it's.
• 1:25:54
  Blue thank you lawyer. What did they say?
• 1:25:56
  He was like, wow, he was going crazy it.
• 1:25:59
  Must, I don't know, $10,000 worth, Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  What that was? Anyway, he had all his girls
• 1:26:05
  like with spoons in the carpeting trying to scoop it.
• 1:26:08
  Up. Scoop it all.
• 1:26:09
  Up. I just remember like, like it
• 1:26:12
  was just like it was so it was so like I just felt like it went
• 1:26:16
  right up to my eyes and my brain and like it was like stuck in my
• 1:26:20
  nose and I was like, I've heard that.
• 1:26:22
  It's something I felt jittery. Like, like my, my clenching, my
• 1:26:25
  jaw was clenching. I was like, what?
• 1:26:27
  Who likes this? What is?
• 1:26:28
  This it's so. Interesting you say?
• 1:26:30
  Because I have a friend that said that he did it once and
• 1:26:35
  he's like, I did it once and I haven't done it again.
• 1:26:38
  He was but. I've always.
• 1:26:40
  Wanted to again since that first time I did it, he's like, it's
• 1:26:43
  such a dopamine rush and it's such a hit and it's so.
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  It's so. Great.
• 1:26:49
  He's like, I did it once, I I never did it again.
• 1:26:53
  And he goes, but he goes when you're he goes, you know, when
• 1:26:57
  you're an addict, he goes like there's always a little voice in
• 1:26:59
  the back of your head that's like, come on, like just go for
• 1:27:01
  it. Just like just try that one with
• 1:27:02
  come on, man, like just take a couple of puffs.
• 1:27:05
  You're fine. No problem.
• 1:27:06
  Just do this, do that. It was.
• 1:27:08
  Awful. And then this is 3/3/30 in the
• 1:27:10
  morning. Yeah.
• 1:27:11
  And then I remember like, an hour or so later, like, you're
• 1:27:15
  such, like, OK, like, I was like, jittery and like, yeah,
• 1:27:19
  grinding my teeth and like, and then an hour later, like, you
• 1:27:22
  have such a crash. That's why you have to, like,
• 1:27:24
  keep bumping it. Like, keep doing it.
• 1:27:26
  It's like, my cousin was like, come on, we got to take another
• 1:27:28
  bump. Got to take it.
• 1:27:29
  I was like, what? No, no, man.
• 1:27:32
  And like, I remember I couldn't sleep till, like, 2:00 the next
• 1:27:36
  afternoon. What kind of drug?
• 1:27:38
  Who likes this so? So what do you think that people
• 1:27:41
  like about it? I don't know, maybe.
• 1:27:43
  I did it wrong, I don't. Know right, I don't really.
• 1:27:47
  Know OK I. Mean it's supposed to be like.
• 1:27:49
  Amphetamine but supposed to be like, it's like Adderall but
• 1:27:52
  like all of the Adderall at once, you know, instead of being
• 1:27:56
  like time released, maybe like I liked Adderall like I liked
• 1:27:59
  amphetamines made me feel, I'm afraid.
• 1:28:02
  I I'm not interested in them. I'm not either.
• 1:28:04
  But like when I've always been more.
• 1:28:05
  Interested in like the psychedelic and like the
• 1:28:07
  unknown, like exploring like different parts of me and like
• 1:28:11
  like I've always been more curious on trying to discover
• 1:28:13
  like uncharted territories more than like getting the fake
• 1:28:16
  confidence to be like a book like ABS kind of like felt like
• 1:28:20
  you never took an. Adderall before no.
• 1:28:21
  Nosing an Adderall. So I mean like.
• 1:28:23
  I was able to get a crazy amount of stuff done I won't do.
• 1:28:27
  It because I can get myself in the zone by myself.
• 1:28:30
  I worked myself up. I asked my Roshi.
• 1:28:32
  Shiva, when after like all this is, I went to Silver Spring to
• 1:28:35
  revire my Beyoncéate. Oh, isn't.
• 1:28:37
  He great, amazing. He's my Rebbe.
• 1:28:39
  Yeah, yeah, I've, I've listened. To a bunch of his stuff.
• 1:28:42
  That's where I ended up. Instead of going to Lakewood,
• 1:28:44
  he's really. Excellent.
• 1:28:45
  Amazing. He's the best, I'm telling you.
• 1:28:47
  He's so worldly. And Tom McCallum Torah, he knows
• 1:28:51
  everything, everything. And he's such a, he's such a
• 1:28:53
  straight thinker. Anyway I.
• 1:28:55
  Took an Adderall once. There was a guy in the sheet,
• 1:28:57
  but he gave me an Adderall. I learned for I think 36 hours
• 1:29:01
  straight. It was like something crazy and
• 1:29:04
  I went to a bar and I asked him. I was like, you know, if I go to
• 1:29:07
  a doctor and get a prescription for this drug, I could do this
• 1:29:09
  all the time, learn I could finish shots in like 6 months.
• 1:29:13
  Shots is all of the all of the Talmud, yeah, Helmud, which is
• 1:29:18
  which generally takes people if you learn if you if you learn
• 1:29:20
  one page a day, it takes seven years and it's struggles to do a
• 1:29:24
  page a day because it's really thick.
• 1:29:26
  It's really I was. Like I could do this in six
• 1:29:28
  months if I take Adderall if I'm on amphetamines.
• 1:29:32
  And he told me his answer was so nice.
• 1:29:34
  He was like Hashem doesn't want your fake energy, He wants
• 1:29:40
  whatever you have. Like the the best thing he wants
• 1:29:43
  is when you wake up tired. You're not interested.
• 1:29:46
  In going to learning, but didn't you go back to what?
• 1:29:48
  We're saying about about about like computing and stuff like
• 1:29:51
  that. Like that goes back to what
• 1:29:53
  we're talking about earlier with like, you know, Garden of Eden,
• 1:29:56
  like no processes. There's value in going through
• 1:30:00
  the process, but. There's value in the.
• 1:30:02
  Choice of hey, I can do something that is not
• 1:30:06
  authentically me to. And by the way, there's a really
• 1:30:10
  good argument for that. I'm not even saying that you
• 1:30:12
  shouldn't do it. I'm just saying we should think
• 1:30:13
  about it. I'm saying that you should think
• 1:30:15
  like. If I could snap to.
• 1:30:17
  Remember the movie Click with Adam Sandler?
• 1:30:20
  I don't think I. Ever saw it?
• 1:30:21
  You never saw it. You were so limitless.
• 1:30:23
  Limitless I. Remember limitless like to me.
• 1:30:25
  Adderall was like limitless. It was like a drug that makes
• 1:30:28
  you a genius. But by the way, the problem is,
• 1:30:30
  is that all that learning? I retained 0 of it.
• 1:30:34
  Really. Because you're drugged up.
• 1:30:36
  Yeah. At the end of the day, you have
• 1:30:37
  all this energy and faith, but like, you're not using your real
• 1:30:40
  brain cells. I'm hosting.
• 1:30:42
  I'm. Hosting a debate soon between
• 1:30:44
  two medical students that are going to be out of a debate, but
• 1:30:47
  they're going to be talking when the student thinks that the
• 1:30:50
  system's completely screwed up and has to be completely
• 1:30:51
  reformed. Another one is I agree with him.
• 1:30:54
  And the other one. Says you need top tier doctors
• 1:30:58
  to be functioning 100% when they're at 40% energy.
• 1:31:02
  And so part of what you're the rigor, part of the rigor of the
• 1:31:06
  education system in Med school is is to make sure that you can
• 1:31:11
  operate at 100% and make those right decisions.
• 1:31:14
  When you're coming back from vacation at 3:00 in the morning
• 1:31:16
  and you have two hours of sleep and a mother calls you, she's
• 1:31:18
  giving birth, you have to be on your game.
• 1:31:20
  Half of these. MD's getting through school,
• 1:31:22
  they're all on amphetamines, they all have to take Adderall
• 1:31:25
  to get through and to study all night.
• 1:31:26
  They retain 0. Knowledge 0 These doctors, they
• 1:31:31
  remember nothing and do we are. Are there studies that yes,
• 1:31:34
  examine, examine, I mean use? In medical school students.
• 1:31:37
  Yeah, yes, the cousin. I have a different cousin.
• 1:31:41
  Yeah. From Teaneck, OK.
• 1:31:44
  The two of them are doctors. They were.
• 1:31:45
  They went to Med school to Albert Einstein and yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:48
  both of them got hooked on amphetamines, had to go to rehab
• 1:31:51
  to get off of it. So let's talk about.
• 1:31:53
  That Let's talk about amphetamines, let's talk about
• 1:31:55
  the opioid. Opioids are the.
• 1:31:57
  Worst amphetamines are like I never got addicted to
• 1:31:59
  amphetamines I just enjoyed them if I had them.
• 1:32:01
  It made me like when I used to buy tax deeds in Atlanta.
• 1:32:04
  Amphetamines and opioids. Are very similar though aren't
• 1:32:06
  they? Chemically they're extremely
• 1:32:09
  similar to 1. I mean because they hit.
• 1:32:10
  They hit dopamine receptors and they increase serotonin, but
• 1:32:13
  like opioids, it hijacks your frontal lobe.
• 1:32:17
  Amphetamines hit a different area so you have different
• 1:32:20
  things where to go. Explain can you?
• 1:32:22
  Explain the difference or try to.
• 1:32:23
  If not, then we could. I don't know from a.
• 1:32:25
  Pharmacological perspective. I don't know if I'm OK.
• 1:32:28
  No problem. Fine expert in it but.
• 1:32:29
  As personal use, right? Yeah, sure, like opiates.
• 1:32:33
  Are it's just, it's pure bliss. It's pure.
• 1:32:37
  It's removal. It's removal from.
• 1:32:39
  It's just like. Nothing matters and and opioids
• 1:32:42
  are. Typically, Typically speaking
• 1:32:43
  are pain meds, Vicodin, Percocet.
• 1:32:46
  It does. It takes care of pain.
• 1:32:48
  It for sure it does, but it also right.
• 1:32:49
  But that's what people are. Referring to when you say when
• 1:32:51
  you say opioids, pain meds, Percocet.
• 1:32:53
  Vicodin, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, morphine, morphine sulfate,
• 1:33:00
  Dilaudid are the Sackler. 'S are the Sackler's a terrible
• 1:33:03
  family. Terrible.
• 1:33:04
  Terrible. Horrible.
• 1:33:05
  Right, they lied to the. FDA, I think it could be used
• 1:33:08
  for anything, these actual that should have been used for cancer
• 1:33:11
  patients at the end of life. That's it.
• 1:33:13
  And they put a little. Film around the the pill and
• 1:33:16
  said that they couldn't be abused the film if you took a
• 1:33:19
  paper towel and put it under some hot water and then rub the
• 1:33:23
  pill, the film came off. What's the What's?
• 1:33:26
  In that it was like a film that was.
• 1:33:26
  Supposed to make it time released and not and and like
• 1:33:30
  avoid abuse but it made once you rub that film off it was instant
• 1:33:34
  release and you which is why people crush it.
• 1:33:36
  Oh, that's why people crush it. Oh, when you crush.
• 1:33:38
  Something it's instant release. Wow, I didn't know that.
• 1:33:42
  Yeah, yeah. It doesn't have to go through
• 1:33:43
  your digestive system and break up.
• 1:33:45
  It's right to your brain. So what was your?
• 1:33:47
  Experience with it with opiates? Yeah, so I had a surgery.
• 1:33:51
  I had. How old are you?
• 1:33:52
  A big golfer. I was 31.
• 1:33:54
  OK, I had I was a big golfer. I tore my meniscus in two places
• 1:33:59
  and I went to a surgeon, orthopedic surgeon.
• 1:34:01
  He's like, I can't see you for a couple of months.
• 1:34:04
  Here's a bucket. It wasn't, it wasn't like a
• 1:34:07
  pillow case like this, right. Like, yeah, pillow cases.
• 1:34:10
  It was the bucket ones. Yeah.
• 1:34:12
  They're. The ones you got in class go
• 1:34:14
  right like the big ones. OK.
• 1:34:15
  And there were hundreds in there Hunt like of 30 milligram.
• 1:34:19
  No way. Hey, you just wrote that.
• 1:34:21
  For you, Yeah, yeah. Like not a 10 milligram
• 1:34:24
  Percocet, not even a 5 milligram Percocet.
• 1:34:26
  The 30s that were the teeny little blue ones.
• 1:34:28
  It didn't even have Tylenol. Blues, Blues are Blues, Blues
• 1:34:32
  and Blues are accord. I read a book about this
• 1:34:35
  recently. I'll give you the book if you
• 1:34:36
  want. I'll show you the book after.
• 1:34:37
  It's a fight with between the DEA and the pharmaceutical
• 1:34:40
  companies about opioids and Florida was a big spot for huge
• 1:34:44
  pill. Mills here, yeah.
• 1:34:46
  And, and I think one, one of those Blues was equivalent to a
• 1:34:51
  hit of heroin. Yeah, according to, according to
• 1:34:53
  that author, So people. So you he gave you, he gave you
• 1:34:58
  a container of heroin pills basically.
• 1:35:00
  And. It was like, take it as
• 1:35:01
  prescribed, which was every four to six hours, take one for pain,
• 1:35:05
  which I did. I literally like, I didn't abuse
• 1:35:07
  it. You just did what the?
• 1:35:09
  Doctor told you did it. As a doctor told me.
• 1:35:12
  I. I went for my surgery.
• 1:35:15
  I got it, you know, and I had run out and he gave me a few
• 1:35:17
  more like, but it was a regular pill bottle.
• 1:35:21
  And I was like, OK, he's like, you know, this is just for
• 1:35:22
  healing. And after I ran out of the
• 1:35:25
  bottle, I like, my whole body started shutting down.
• 1:35:29
  Like I'd know it. I was shitting myself.
• 1:35:31
  I couldn't hold in my bowels. I was shaking, sweating,
• 1:35:35
  freezing hot. What was that?
• 1:35:37
  What was? That experience like that's
• 1:35:38
  called withdrawal. Yeah.
• 1:35:39
  What was that? What was?
• 1:35:39
  That like awful hell. Like did you know you were going
• 1:35:42
  to do? Withdrawal or were you like
• 1:35:43
  what's wrong with me not at. 1st I had no idea what was going on.
• 1:35:45
  What did you think was? Going on, if that happened to
• 1:35:47
  you, I thought I would have thought I was dying.
• 1:35:48
  I went to the doctor. I was like, I feel like I'm
• 1:35:50
  dying. And I told him my symptoms.
• 1:35:52
  He's like, oh, you're an addict. He said you're a drug.
• 1:35:55
  Addict, you need to go to rehab. I was like, what?
• 1:35:59
  I was like, this is I was like, you gave me these pills.
• 1:36:02
  Like, what does that mean? Yeah.
• 1:36:04
  So I remember like. By the way, that was like when I
• 1:36:06
  lost all faith in doctors. Like they don't know anything.
• 1:36:08
  They're just they push pills and they're just trying to mask
• 1:36:11
  symptoms and they're not getting a lot of anything about health.
• 1:36:14
  They don't know anything about nutrition or or any, you know
• 1:36:17
  what I mean? Like.
• 1:36:18
  So. I was like, I'm just going to
• 1:36:21
  suffer like like I was started Googling how to get through
• 1:36:24
  withdrawals guys like grapefruit juice and and what what's it
• 1:36:29
  called the Imodium diarrhea Like he had all these different
• 1:36:33
  things to like help for each symptom.
• 1:36:35
  Were you? Taking them I tried.
• 1:36:37
  It it was like alleviated a little bit.
• 1:36:40
  I didn't sleep for weeks. Like that was the worst part.
• 1:36:42
  It was like, and you're so tired, but like you just can't
• 1:36:46
  sleep. Like I guess that's insomnia.
• 1:36:48
  Like, I don't wish that on my worst nightmare.
• 1:36:51
  And you're just up and you're just like, you feel everything.
• 1:36:54
  You feel muscles in your body that you didn't even know you
• 1:36:56
  had. You know, because everything was
• 1:36:58
  numb for the past three months. And I.
• 1:37:01
  Remember, I suffered, suffered and.
• 1:37:06
  And then and. Then like I remember like after
• 1:37:08
  like a couple weeks, I like was over, like a over like a hump
• 1:37:14
  and things that felt like starting to get better, you
• 1:37:17
  know, And it was like that reprieve that was like, Oh my
• 1:37:19
  God, thank God. You know.
• 1:37:21
  And it helped me get through. And then a couple months later,
• 1:37:25
  I remember, I don't know what happened, but like, I was just
• 1:37:28
  like, I really want, like, a Percocet, Like, I really want,
• 1:37:32
  like a balloon, you know? Yeah.
• 1:37:34
  Like Oh my God, to newbies like that'll.
• 1:37:36
  Just be 1. Was something that said.
• 1:37:38
  Was there anything that set off that I don't know I.
• 1:37:40
  Don't. I honestly don't know.
• 1:37:41
  And it was just like, because you're ever thinking.
• 1:37:43
  That you're ever thinking like a.
• 1:37:45
  Craving out of nowhere and I was like what?
• 1:37:49
  And I remember like. I remember start calling people,
• 1:37:52
  texting people, Hey, do you have this?
• 1:37:54
  I remember a guy who got hit by a bus and he was like prescribed
• 1:37:57
  to these and he hooked me up with a couple and like I went to
• 1:38:01
  a movie with him and like, I was like drug seeking.
• 1:38:04
  Yeah, you know, And I was like, what?
• 1:38:06
  And then I was like, what am I doing?
• 1:38:07
  And then all of a sudden, like I remember taking a few of them
• 1:38:10
  and I wasn't like the withdrawal was coming back.
• 1:38:13
  And I was like, what? What did I just do to myself?
• 1:38:15
  And why did I do this? And I started researching more
• 1:38:19
  and a friend of mine was like, who who had gone through this?
• 1:38:22
  He was like, you got to get on methadone or Suboxone.
• 1:38:24
  What is that? It's.
• 1:38:26
  It's like an opioid agonist. It's buprenorphine or or is
• 1:38:30
  Subutex or whatever. It's methadone.
• 1:38:33
  It's basically when you do, when you do opiates, you grow opiate
• 1:38:37
  receptors in your brain that were never there that are
• 1:38:40
  looking. To they're looking to be filled
• 1:38:42
  in, right? So more so this methadone and
• 1:38:46
  Suboxone, it basically fills in their opioids, but you don't get
• 1:38:50
  the high It's so it's so fills. Those, but without those so you
• 1:38:55
  don't go through. Withdrawal but you're not
• 1:38:56
  getting high, but it's it's like 10 times stronger than regular
• 1:39:00
  opiates in terms. Of the chemical right OK, so I I
• 1:39:05
  quickly found. Out that like it's it's more
• 1:39:09
  impossible to get off of Suboxone or methadone than it is
• 1:39:11
  to get off of heroin. Like it's it's easier heroin
• 1:39:15
  than Suboxone really so. This guy give you the wrong
• 1:39:18
  advice? Well, no.
• 1:39:19
  All drug addicts today, this is the medically assisted
• 1:39:22
  treatment. This is all of them are on
• 1:39:23
  Suboxone like they're screwed and or methadone, they're
• 1:39:26
  screwed. That's why the answer is iboga
• 1:39:29
  is ibogate. It's the only thing that's going
• 1:39:31
  to help you. All these people are still on
• 1:39:32
  opiates. They're all still opiate
• 1:39:34
  addicts. They're just not getting high
• 1:39:35
  and they're on maintenance. Maintenance depending on it.
• 1:39:38
  Dependent on it total dependence.
• 1:39:39
  They call it Hurricane Harvey hit Houston.
• 1:39:43
  One of the biggest? Stories was the methadone
• 1:39:45
  clinics that were shut down because we're at Hurricane
• 1:39:47
  Harvey. Remember that hurricane?
• 1:39:48
  It was like over Houston, TX when was last?
• 1:39:51
  Recent weeks? No, it was.
• 1:39:52
  Like 7-8 years ago OK it lasted weeks they had no power flooding
• 1:39:57
  the method of the drug addicts all ended up going back on
• 1:40:00
  terrible because the methadone clinics were closed wow all was
• 1:40:03
  they're all relapsed we're. Easy with but.
• 1:40:05
  It's not even relapsed. It's the continued They never
• 1:40:07
  broke. They never broke that addiction
• 1:40:09
  exactly so. So I got back on pills to get
• 1:40:13
  off of suboxone and it was just like I'm in this like crazy loop
• 1:40:17
  of. Of and at this point.
• 1:40:18
  You have responsibilities? Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  My wife is like, what do you? What the fuck?
• 1:40:22
  What are you doing? Would you?
• 1:40:23
  So what? Do you do as I told her I.
• 1:40:26
  Said I feel. I'm sorry, I don't want to cut
• 1:40:30
  you off. I feel enormous out of pressure
• 1:40:32
  on a day-to-day basis when I, you know, when I have a family
• 1:40:37
  to just be there, you know, like, forget about fighting
• 1:40:42
  something like an opioid, you know, you know, like it's so
• 1:40:46
  because it's chemical, it's your body depends on it, right?
• 1:40:49
  I don't know how. I don't know how I'd be able to
• 1:40:52
  like, I mean, what was your head space like?
• 1:40:55
  I was a great father. When I had my pills, what was
• 1:40:58
  your head space? Like it was only I was becoming.
• 1:41:01
  Hard to deal with when I didn't have my pill, the pills, but
• 1:41:03
  when? You had it, you were fine.
• 1:41:04
  That was great. I, I actually, I think it was a
• 1:41:06
  better father. Like I, I felt like I had so
• 1:41:08
  much energy and I was so happy and I was like, let's go do
• 1:41:11
  stuff. Let's.
• 1:41:14
  Let's go, let's go. So you're almost.
• 1:41:16
  Like conflicting because you're like, oh, I feel like I'm a good
• 1:41:18
  dad at this and like, but it wasn't even.
• 1:41:20
  Like I was no, but I understood. My wife trusted me.
• 1:41:23
  She's like, I know you're smart. I know you're going to figure
• 1:41:25
  this out. And I she knew the whole story.
• 1:41:28
  I was like, the doctors got me on to this where I'm going to go
• 1:41:30
  to doctors and I'm not going to don't lock me up in a drug rehab
• 1:41:34
  for eight months. Like I have my own locked up
• 1:41:37
  issues from yeshiva. Yeah, you know, like, yeah, I'm
• 1:41:40
  not going somewhere without. And, and I finally discovered
• 1:41:45
  that like Ibogaine, that there's this psychedelic drug who
• 1:41:49
  introduced you to some drug addicts, some heroin addicts
• 1:41:54
  really like if you, if they're like, if you're rich and you
• 1:41:56
  want to get off of heroin, you go to Mexico or Costa Rica and
• 1:42:00
  you do Iboga. Wow, that's.
• 1:42:02
  What they said they know that it's common knowledge.
• 1:42:03
  Yeah, yeah. But they're.
• 1:42:04
  Like, we're not. We can't afford it.
• 1:42:06
  So you got Medicaid drug rehabs here.
• 1:42:08
  That's just a scam. It's just a revolving door.
• 1:42:10
  We go there for three months, we leave, we relapse.
• 1:42:13
  We come back two months later. It's like, this is our life.
• 1:42:16
  Yeah. I was like, really?
• 1:42:19
  And I heard this from like two people, three people, then four
• 1:42:21
  people. I was like, what?
• 1:42:23
  I started researching it. I'm like watching these
• 1:42:25
  documentaries. Have you ever thought about?
• 1:42:26
  Psychedelics before that? Never you.
• 1:42:28
  Never. Were.
• 1:42:28
  Interested in them? You never thought anything about
• 1:42:30
  them? I was.
• 1:42:31
  Always scared of them because like my whole thing is my brain,
• 1:42:34
  it's like my mind and my cognitive ability.
• 1:42:37
  And I was, I was always like, I don't know, like LSD, like you
• 1:42:41
  go crazy and you know, it's like you might, you'll go out of your
• 1:42:44
  mind and never come back. And yeah, because you go to the
• 1:42:47
  jungle playing a banjo and I was like, but.
• 1:42:52
  So I was. Like I was very scared about
• 1:42:54
  doing it. I found a Doctor Who had done
• 1:42:57
  research on it. He recommended a place.
• 1:43:01
  He introduced me to Deborah Mesh, who's the head of
• 1:43:03
  neurobiology at University of Miami.
• 1:43:05
  Recommended. I want to get in touch with her.
• 1:43:07
  I want to talk to her, too. OK, Yeah, She's this podcast.
• 1:43:10
  All the time, yeah. I would love.
• 1:43:12
  To talk, to look around. Yeah, Deborah Nash mash with
• 1:43:16
  him. MMM.
• 1:43:17
  Yeah. So I went to Mexico.
• 1:43:22
  I did ibogaine, it was such a crazy, crazy experience.
• 1:43:26
  I guess first of all I think bad trips.
• 1:43:28
  Wait, so you go to? Mexico you land in Mexico and
• 1:43:31
  you meet the group there at the airport or you go to take you
• 1:43:34
  take a cab to the What do you do They had.
• 1:43:35
  They had a shuttle pick up, pick me up Mexican dude and and.
• 1:43:39
  And who are you with myself? How big?
• 1:43:42
  How big is the group that you're that you're tripping?
• 1:43:43
  I didn't go with the. Group you went by yourself.
• 1:43:45
  But like. There was like whenever someone
• 1:43:47
  comes to the airport, they'll pick you up.
• 1:43:49
  OK, That was by myself. I was there with a fashion
• 1:43:53
  designer from LA. Yeah, with a Kennedy girl.
• 1:43:59
  OK. Like wealthy para 1 addicts.
• 1:44:02
  Yeah, with a Mellon. Andrew Mellon from Mellon Bank
• 1:44:06
  in New York. OK, you know Mellon Bank?
• 1:44:08
  No. You've heard of Mellon?
• 1:44:10
  No. Chase, I think it was used to be
• 1:44:12
  Chase Mellon. Oh, really?
• 1:44:14
  Yeah. Like Mellon's like, big banking
• 1:44:16
  family. OK.
• 1:44:16
  Like very wealthy people who were trying to get off heroin.
• 1:44:20
  They were all there and I think I had a very bad trip because
• 1:44:25
  like, I was so scared, you know? And it's like doing a
• 1:44:27
  psychedelic. You have to be in a safe Mexico.
• 1:44:31
  I don't know where I am. I'm in a Mexican clinic, you
• 1:44:35
  know, like, am I going to do this?
• 1:44:36
  What were the people? Like, were they kind?
• 1:44:38
  Were they They seemed nice to me.
• 1:44:39
  Everyone's just. Mexican, you know How is their
• 1:44:41
  English? The head.
• 1:44:43
  Doctor, he had OK English. Then there was a night doctor.
• 1:44:47
  So when you're doing. This.
• 1:44:48
  When you're doing this, there was a.
• 1:44:49
  Doctor like 2 nurses and like house staff, you know a chef.
• 1:44:55
  And yeah, I was getting my food sent in from Chabad of Cancun.
• 1:44:59
  I heard they're great. Yeah.
• 1:45:00
  Cleaning people. There was a masseuse that I
• 1:45:03
  like. I didn't want her to touch me.
• 1:45:05
  I was, like, bugging out. Yeah.
• 1:45:07
  And I was like, I was always scared.
• 1:45:08
  I was like, am I going to take this psychedelic?
• 1:45:09
  And I'm going to wake up and, like, my kidneys are going to be
• 1:45:11
  gone. Yeah.
• 1:45:13
  Yeah. In Mexico.
• 1:45:15
  So what was it like? So you took it.
• 1:45:16
  What is it? It's a liquid.
• 1:45:18
  It's a pill. It's a pill, it's a powder like
• 1:45:20
  it's hydrochloride. So they take the iboga route and
• 1:45:23
  they basically make it hydrochloride which putting in
• 1:45:27
  hydrochloric acid until it breaks down to its fundamental
• 1:45:30
  core. It'll take a huge thing of Iboga
• 1:45:33
  barp and you can literally fill it fit into like a pill with a
• 1:45:36
  white powder took that you know, and then they put music on you
• 1:45:42
  and a blind what kind of music we listening.
• 1:45:44
  To it was like. Amazonian weird music like it
• 1:45:47
  was bugging me out. Would you have rather?
• 1:45:48
  Chosen the music. Yeah.
• 1:45:49
  Yeah. What would you have listened to?
• 1:45:50
  I don't know. I don't know, you know, when I
• 1:45:52
  took. LSD I listened to Astral.
• 1:45:56
  I listen to Van Morrison's Astral Weeks.
• 1:45:59
  You know that, you know, that album, credible album.
• 1:46:02
  I love Van Morrison. And then I listen, I want to
• 1:46:05
  listen to a Grateful Dead concert because I know that the
• 1:46:08
  Grateful Dead concert formula, like the structure of the
• 1:46:11
  concert matches a psychedelic trip in the sense that at the
• 1:46:14
  beginning it's all light and easy and breezy.
• 1:46:17
  And then it gets a little heavier and then it gets a
• 1:46:18
  little darker. And then like kind of like it
• 1:46:20
  kind of goes into like this like mystical realm, like where they
• 1:46:25
  call it space or they play a song called Dark Star or the
• 1:46:29
  other one. And like it's intentionally just
• 1:46:31
  like the farthest out that you can get.
• 1:46:34
  And they're like, we didn't even know where the music goes.
• 1:46:36
  And we just like we get lost and then like we kind of just
• 1:46:39
  somewhere out there, we just kind of find each other again
• 1:46:40
  and then we just kind of pull each other back into reality
• 1:46:43
  again. But that's a that they call that
• 1:46:46
  the ego, the ego loss phase of of a psychedelic trip that
• 1:46:50
  people say that when you go through a trip, like there's a
• 1:46:53
  dark side of that trip where like you lose your sense of like
• 1:46:55
  ego and sense of self and like you almost die and become one
• 1:46:58
  with everything. And that oneness allows you to
• 1:47:02
  kind of that that allows you the new perspective that emerges
• 1:47:06
  from it. And then they always end the
• 1:47:08
  concert with songs like singing back home or like, like back
• 1:47:11
  where you're turning back to yourself after you've been lost
• 1:47:14
  and rediscovered again. I have to re.
• 1:47:15
  Listen to Grateful Dead send you some.
• 1:47:17
  Great concerts, this their playlist.
• 1:47:19
  Actually did that. Like it started off like light,
• 1:47:22
  you know, Amazonian beats and whatever and like rain and
• 1:47:25
  stuff. And then it started getting
• 1:47:27
  darker and it was like there was a certain point where it was
• 1:47:30
  like it. Was like these like?
• 1:47:32
  Voices. Yeah.
• 1:47:33
  And what? Were you, what were you
• 1:47:35
  experiencing, Terrified. I was What were you seeing?
• 1:47:38
  What were you? What were you experiencing?
• 1:47:39
  What were you visualizing, what you're feeling?
• 1:47:41
  What were you doing? It took like 30. 5 minutes or so
• 1:47:43
  to kick in and and I you start hearing your senses get so crazy
• 1:47:49
  heightened. It's like you hear everything.
• 1:47:52
  Like I was hearing the machines like the beeps I was hearing air
• 1:47:56
  conditioning unit turning on, turning on like meaning things
• 1:47:59
  that like you wouldn't ordinarily hear is very quiet.
• 1:48:01
  Like it was like A at some point I thought I heard the universe
• 1:48:06
  expanding. Like the sound of it, like it
• 1:48:08
  was like a. You.
• 1:48:13
  Go. You start like it's shot out
• 1:48:15
  into space. I remember like you're shot out
• 1:48:17
  of your body and then what do you mean you?
• 1:48:19
  Shot out of your body. It's just like you close your
• 1:48:23
  eyes and like, it just feels like you're flying, you know?
• 1:48:26
  Yeah, I can't. That's really what I can
• 1:48:28
  describe it. It's like, But by the way, with
• 1:48:30
  Iboga, if you open your eyes, you're back in reality.
• 1:48:32
  Yeah, you're back. Like I don't think it's like, so
• 1:48:35
  you're supposed to keep your eyes.
• 1:48:36
  Closed right, that's what they. Put a mask on.
• 1:48:38
  But like, I sort of get scared and things like, are they gonna
• 1:48:41
  like, they're still in touch with me?
• 1:48:43
  And I was like, are you cutting my kidneys out?
• 1:48:46
  You know? And I, like, lifted up my mask
• 1:48:47
  and was just like a nurse. Like, she's like putting my
• 1:48:50
  magnesium drip. So I didn't dehydrate.
• 1:48:56
  So I mean I. I met an entity and I think it
• 1:48:59
  was a Moloch. Like he called me by my full
• 1:49:00
  Hebrew name, as weird as can be, and he's like, what are you
• 1:49:03
  doing here? That's what he asked you.
• 1:49:05
  What'd you say? I said.
• 1:49:06
  I'm. Here for refuel, I'm here to for
• 1:49:09
  healing. And he said, what's the problem,
• 1:49:12
  you know and like. And then he just like he.
• 1:49:15
  Showed me like, it was just like so clear, like everything in my
• 1:49:19
  life and my history, my grandparents, my parents.
• 1:49:23
  It's like through my DNA, showing everything that built me
• 1:49:26
  up to who I am today and to have and yeah.
• 1:49:31
  And like how everyone tried their best and, and it's, it's
• 1:49:34
  everything will be fine. And, and all I have to do is
• 1:49:36
  have the resilience and the willpower to to go down this
• 1:49:39
  road of light. And this road was like, it was
• 1:49:41
  paved with like skulls and bones, like the ground was.
• 1:49:45
  And it just ended. Like you couldn't like, it just
• 1:49:48
  ended in blackness, you know? And the other one looked like it
• 1:49:50
  was just like went on forever into light.
• 1:49:52
  And it was like a clear choice and was like, these are your
• 1:49:55
  choices. It's like that.
• 1:49:57
  That was the trip. Like from a neurobiological
• 1:50:00
  perspective, what Deborah Mash is looking at is that it, it
• 1:50:02
  like it coats over all the grown opiate receptors.
• 1:50:05
  It kill. It destroys them.
• 1:50:07
  It resets your brain circuitry. Get out.
• 1:50:09
  Yeah, so it's like after doing that, I won't even take an
• 1:50:14
  Advil. Like, I know I smoke cigarettes,
• 1:50:16
  but like this like, but I want a pharmaceutical drug.
• 1:50:19
  And that's why, like I always tell myself, like, you got to
• 1:50:21
  kick this. But like a pharmacy.
• 1:50:23
  Do you think you know? You think you know the trip to
• 1:50:25
  I'll cook it. I want to do psilocybin.
• 1:50:26
  They say is really good for those to stop smoking.
• 1:50:30
  Well, if you. Want to if you want your own
• 1:50:31
  company phone company yeah, if I.
• 1:50:34
  Have a lot of souls happen yeah, if you.
• 1:50:37
  Have if you want company. I've been thinking I've been
• 1:50:39
  thinking I want to do a trip now that I'm a data too, and I think
• 1:50:44
  a lot of my life has been changing and I think I want to
• 1:50:46
  be able to I want to I want to explore below the surface of
• 1:50:51
  what I of what I feel about it. Hey let me know when.
• 1:50:54
  It were, yeah. Yeah, it happened.
• 1:50:58
  I'm really excited. I really want.
• 1:50:59
  I really. I really want to.
• 1:51:04
  I really want to do it. I really think it it, it opens
• 1:51:07
  up. So to me, what it did was like,
• 1:51:10
  there's a blockage between like my neshama and my physical mind.
• 1:51:16
  And this, this opened it up. And it was like you just.
• 1:51:19
  Had a it was just like, it was like a blood clot, you know,
• 1:51:23
  between your neshama and it just it removed the clot how things
• 1:51:26
  were free flowing. And I just felt.
• 1:51:29
  Like afterwards, I mean first of all I was tripping for probably
• 1:51:33
  2 weeks later every time I closed my eyes the.
• 1:51:36
  Receptors were still no just from the.
• 1:51:39
  Iboga, every time I close my eyes for like at least a week
• 1:51:44
  later, I would be getting like flashes of stuff, you know?
• 1:51:48
  And even during the day, if my eyes were open, sometimes I
• 1:51:51
  would feel like these things were flying by.
• 1:51:53
  Yeah, I know. What you're talking about, Yeah,
• 1:51:55
  Yeah, Yeah. You know, you're familiar.
• 1:51:56
  You get the sense that there's something in your peripheral
• 1:51:58
  vision that's kind of like moving past you, right?
• 1:52:00
  You're like, you're like broken. It's not there.
• 1:52:01
  Yeah. So like I was.
• 1:52:02
  Having that for a couple weeks, but I remember like my wife told
• 1:52:05
  me, like I came back and I was like a totally different person.
• 1:52:08
  But it's, you know, was it, was it?
• 1:52:09
  Scary to her was it. Scary to her was it?
• 1:52:11
  Oh, totally. Because I I, I don't even know
• 1:52:14
  how I made it back. Like they wanted me to stay
• 1:52:16
  there for 10 days, right? You started.
• 1:52:18
  From 7 you said right? I stayed there for. 6 I went
• 1:52:21
  Sunday morning and I was like, I have to be back for Shabbos.
• 1:52:24
  Yeah. So I took like a I had like an
• 1:52:26
  8:00 AM flight from Cancun Friday morning back to Miami.
• 1:52:30
  The program wasn't done. Right, it wasn't they.
• 1:52:32
  Want they needed to monitor you longer like.
• 1:52:35
  And I, I was still, I guess still tripping out like Major.
• 1:52:40
  I don't remember getting to the airport.
• 1:52:42
  I don't remember taking luggage you made you with.
• 1:52:46
  Yeah. I remember being.
• 1:52:47
  Freezing And I was on American Airlines and they I was in a
• 1:52:50
  wheelchair and an American Airlines stewardess, you know,
• 1:52:54
  they have like those little sweaters.
• 1:52:56
  She took her sweater and put it over me.
• 1:52:58
  And. When I landed, I don't, I don't,
• 1:53:01
  I don't know. And I just like ended up and my
• 1:53:04
  wife apparently like I had lost my phone.
• 1:53:05
  She was trying to call me and call me and I had lost it like a
• 1:53:08
  couple days before. No idea.
• 1:53:11
  Like, wasn't interested in the phone.
• 1:53:13
  Yeah, she thought I was dead for two days, really.
• 1:53:18
  And then I like, knocked on the dinner on Friday afternoon and
• 1:53:21
  you're home. And she's like.
• 1:53:23
  I looked like deaf, like I looked pale, like my eyes were
• 1:53:26
  like black really. And she's like I went.
• 1:53:29
  I can see. That's why.
• 1:53:30
  I can see why it's scary to people, right?
• 1:53:32
  And, and she's like, I came home and I got into bed and I woke up
• 1:53:36
  like Sunday afternoon. Like Friday.
• 1:53:39
  Afternoon I slept till like Sunday afternoon.
• 1:53:41
  Wow. And you don't.
• 1:53:44
  Remember much of that. Zero.
• 1:53:48
  I don't know how I got back. Wow.
• 1:53:52
  But the sense. But since then me and then.
• 1:53:54
  So then what happens? So you wake up Sunday and then
• 1:53:56
  you're and you're and you're like, I never want to do this
• 1:53:58
  again. And you stopped cold Turkey.
• 1:54:00
  What'd you do? Yeah.
• 1:54:00
  Oh no. No, I was done.
• 1:54:02
  I was like, I remember the day after they don't give you the
• 1:54:05
  Iboga until like you start going through a little withdrawal and
• 1:54:09
  I were going through withdrawal a little bit and I'm telling you
• 1:54:11
  like I'm ready. I'm ready, I'm ready.
• 1:54:13
  Like OK, OK, maybe another hour. They're like pushing me.
• 1:54:16
  And then after doing it like after the trip, the initial trip
• 1:54:19
  was over. I remember just like.
• 1:54:22
  I was just lying in my. Room just being like I have no
• 1:54:24
  withdrawal whatsoever. I was like I'm.
• 1:54:26
  Free. Wow.
• 1:54:28
  It was like, it was it was such like a liberating feeling.
• 1:54:31
  And not only that, but like I never, ever wanted to take a
• 1:54:34
  pill again. Like I saw that skull and bones.
• 1:54:37
  Yeah. Path.
• 1:54:38
  Path. Like, it was vivid.
• 1:54:39
  It's still vivid in my mind. Yeah.
• 1:54:41
  And I was like, don't, I would never, as I was telling you, I
• 1:54:45
  would even get a thing that says opiate allergic.
• 1:54:47
  Yeah, a bracelet in case like God forbid something happens
• 1:54:50
  like not to have. To be able to get anymore.
• 1:54:53
  So just to change. Like it totally changed my whole
• 1:54:55
  perspective on things. I called my parents like I had
• 1:54:58
  been like in a little bit of falling out with them about
• 1:55:01
  stuff and. I apologize.
• 1:55:03
  To them, I like explain to them stories that I'd seen about them
• 1:55:07
  and about their parents and what they.
• 1:55:09
  Say they were like, blunt. They were like, I've never heard
• 1:55:11
  you talk like this before. Like this is so amazing.
• 1:55:13
  It's so amazing. But yeah, forgave a lot.
• 1:55:19
  Of people in my life moved on like realized like provided a
• 1:55:22
  new perspective. Everything is like, yeah.
• 1:55:24
  You see that everything is about love, that like we're all
• 1:55:27
  organisms with nature and each other and we're all supposed to
• 1:55:30
  be symbiotic. So that feeling.
• 1:55:32
  Fade because I know that when I took LSDI felt that way but then
• 1:55:35
  it faded after X amount of time. That's what I.
• 1:55:37
  Think I begin is different and I had that feeling on ayahuasca.
• 1:55:40
  I did ayahuasca too. I had that feeling, but that
• 1:55:43
  feeling went away after a couple of weeks.
• 1:55:44
  Yeah, you have to like do it again for some reason.
• 1:55:47
  Iboga, I don't know, maybe more intense.
• 1:55:50
  Maybe they just. Dosed me high.
• 1:55:51
  I don't know, maybe for opiate addiction they dos me high, but
• 1:55:54
  like it was God willing, we'll be bringing it to FDA approval
• 1:55:59
  and this. Yeah.
• 1:55:59
  So you somehow how do you go? How did you decide to go about
• 1:56:02
  that and what do you do about it?
• 1:56:03
  I came back and it was. Like a couple months later and
• 1:56:06
  I'm just like, this is so amazing.
• 1:56:07
  Like, and I had owned drug rehabs myself too.
• 1:56:10
  So at that point you. Were already owning drug rehab
• 1:56:12
  and how did you get into that? I mean, cousin, one of my
• 1:56:18
  cousins was into it. My family's in healthcare, OK.
• 1:56:21
  I had a lot of friends who were addicted to stuff and like, I
• 1:56:24
  don't know, I just felt like it was a So what are?
• 1:56:26
  You doing? You're doing management
• 1:56:27
  administration. Yeah, I own. 3 facilities and I
• 1:56:30
  had operators and you know, we took care of what was it like.
• 1:56:34
  Dealing with the paperwork and the yellow, the yellow tape,
• 1:56:39
  it's a pain in the. Nose how do you do it with
• 1:56:41
  insurance companies and they do you do it.
• 1:56:44
  Personally or you hardly will do with it.
• 1:56:45
  We had a. Company that did billing, but
• 1:56:48
  like I, I feel like they, they didn't try hard, you know, even
• 1:56:53
  though they would take, they got paid percentage wise on what
• 1:56:56
  they collected, I imagine, but like they would take like 100 of
• 1:56:59
  the lowest hanging fruit and not attack like the top 10 biggest
• 1:57:03
  ones that were hard to get right.
• 1:57:06
  So. I don't know, it was hard.
• 1:57:07
  And also like I felt like I was hurting people like these drug
• 1:57:09
  rehabs don't do anything. Everyone relapses and and you
• 1:57:13
  detox them, you know, percentages.
• 1:57:14
  About that like I I because I know that for example, the
• 1:57:17
  percentage of people that almost. 80s and 90% but that's
• 1:57:20
  the people. That are forced to go right.
• 1:57:22
  Not necessarily. Really.
• 1:57:24
  Even the people. That that willingly check
• 1:57:25
  themselves in still have a 80% rehab I'm doing my.
• 1:57:28
  Internship right now recovery Unplugged.
• 1:57:30
  That's that, you know, Andrew Sausen, he lives here.
• 1:57:33
  Yeah. He started with like Aerosmith,
• 1:57:35
  OK. And it's, it's a music based
• 1:57:38
  drug rehab, OK. And and I was talking to a guy
• 1:57:42
  and it was his seventh time at recovery unblocked, right.
• 1:57:47
  And I was like, Sam, I was like, I was like, maybe you should do.
• 1:57:52
  I was like, your family has money.
• 1:57:53
  Why don't you go to Mexico and do Iboga?
• 1:57:56
  You know, I was like, keep coming back.
• 1:57:59
  These places aren't working. And he said something
• 1:58:01
  interesting to me. He's like, the first time I
• 1:58:03
  came, I wasn't ready. The second time I came I was
• 1:58:07
  like 10% ready, the third time, 40% ready.
• 1:58:12
  You know that's what it is. You're not.
• 1:58:13
  Ready to deal with that until you're ready to deal with it
• 1:58:15
  sometimes. You got to come through the
• 1:58:16
  system like 7-8 times, but there's going to be a time and
• 1:58:20
  as long as you don't die in between as you said.
• 1:58:22
  Yeah, but assuming. You don't die.
• 1:58:24
  That's a big if I know, especially.
• 1:58:25
  Because. I feel like the odds go higher
• 1:58:28
  and higher every time you leave, every time you relapse and feel
• 1:58:30
  like the odds get higher, right? So I don't know, I mean, it's
• 1:58:36
  right now it's the best system that they have, but it's like a
• 1:58:38
  little mini prison system. We're just going to like force
• 1:58:41
  you to not do drugs for three months until your insurance
• 1:58:43
  stops paying for it, and then we'll release you when you do
• 1:58:45
  drugs again and then you come back.
• 1:58:47
  So it's I. Don't know it.
• 1:58:50
  Doesn't work, but so you so you said.
• 1:58:52
  Why you try to do ibogaine? So I came back.
• 1:58:55
  And I was like, how is this not FDA approved?
• 1:58:57
  Like I was realizing how many people were dying in my from my
• 1:59:00
  facility. Yeah.
• 1:59:02
  And and that's when I like that I realized that that Deborah
• 1:59:06
  Mesh, who I had spoken to was actually the one trying to bring
• 1:59:08
  it to FDA approval, spoke to her.
• 1:59:11
  She was like, it's amazing that you're calling me now.
• 1:59:13
  I'm in bankruptcy. I got her company out of
• 1:59:16
  bankruptcy. And this is 2016 and we're
• 1:59:21
  still, we're moving like with this now, hopefully with RFK and
• 1:59:24
  a friendly FDA who's just not interested in more interested in
• 1:59:28
  opiates, approving more opiates and drugs that'll hurt people
• 1:59:32
  than actually helping people. Yeah.
• 1:59:34
  That this might. Get approved.
• 1:59:35
  Yeah, that'll revolutionize drug treatment.
• 1:59:38
  Do you think it will treatment? Well, get approved, yeah.
• 1:59:40
  Yeah, you think it will because? Because the.
• 1:59:45
  Veterans with traumatic brain injury and PTSD.
• 1:59:47
  This is the only thing that works the VA.
• 1:59:51
  It costs them. What $50 billion a year to deal
• 1:59:54
  with the vets and and then drug addiction is at its highest
• 1:59:58
  levels in the United States. What do you do about?
• 2:00:00
  What do you do? About the fact that it's a money
• 2:00:02
  printing machine and that they're going to fight tooth and
• 2:00:04
  nail to to stop you from making to stop taking away.
• 2:00:07
  Their this administration what I mean, he just announced
• 2:00:10
  yesterday about vaccines. You know that?
• 2:00:13
  Childhood vaccines. They now have to go through
• 2:00:15
  placebo trials. Yeah, do you understand how the
• 2:00:17
  least time ever? Do you know how crazy?
• 2:00:18
  That is that you're giving your baby a shot that never had a
• 2:00:22
  placebo trial. I haven't.
• 2:00:24
  There's no it's. Not for not for half my kids.
• 2:00:26
  OK, I was saying but. That's, this is the realization
• 2:00:28
  I came through after learning I had.
• 2:00:30
  So I had to, OK, back to vaccines.
• 2:00:32
  I had to learn I'm a yeshiva guy.
• 2:00:34
  Like I didn't know anything about biotech and I got this
• 2:00:36
  company out of bankruptcy. I had a guy who helped me, an
• 2:00:38
  attorney and a biotech guy, but like, I was the guy and they put
• 2:00:42
  me on the board and I was like, I know nothing about FDA
• 2:00:46
  approval, drug manufacturing, good manufacturing, what you do
• 2:00:50
  when you're over. Your when you're over your when
• 2:00:51
  you're over your head, I read. You just.
• 2:00:54
  You just. Learned all the information.
• 2:00:56
  Is there, especially when the yeshivas I went to, there's
• 2:00:58
  nothing in the world because somebody knows that I cannot
• 2:01:01
  learn, right? And that's really truly.
• 2:01:04
  So you learned. That skill set you have that
• 2:01:06
  toolbox where you learn how to learn, you know how to, you know
• 2:01:09
  how to, you know how to consume new information, right?
• 2:01:12
  And I know. How to think for myself and not
• 2:01:14
  be told like I was taught in yeshiva?
• 2:01:16
  Like if you had Akasha that the Rebbe couldn't answer, you were
• 2:01:20
  the man, right? Like you Just, you just, and he
• 2:01:23
  told you that he's like, that is an amazing question, you know,
• 2:01:28
  and that's, it's not like that in college.
• 2:01:30
  You'll be like, those questions are not asked here.
• 2:01:32
  That's a racist question or something.
• 2:01:34
  You know, they teach you how to think, not they teach you what
• 2:01:38
  to think, not how to think. And Yeshiva's teach you how to
• 2:01:41
  think. It's like you question.
• 2:01:43
  I question always, my whole life questioned everything,
• 2:01:45
  everything. And there's always an answer.
• 2:01:47
  There's always an answer. There's always not an.
• 2:01:49
  Answer. There's a reason why there's not
• 2:01:51
  an answer. You know, it might be and it
• 2:01:54
  just might be time. I don't know.
• 2:01:55
  Like, what does this mean? Like you have the you don't.
• 2:01:57
  Have the tools right? Now to understand the answer,
• 2:01:59
  but it'll come and it's like you feel like you, you understand
• 2:02:02
  that you don't have the tools. So I learned I bought like I
• 2:02:07
  asked someone, he gave me 3 books about biotech.
• 2:02:11
  I I read them and I was like long term safety studies like
• 2:02:15
  how long is this going to take us?
• 2:02:17
  OK, this vaccines and when I started looking into vaccines
• 2:02:21
  and I only started looking into the vaccines when they came out
• 2:02:23
  with the COVID vaccine. Yeah, of course.
• 2:02:25
  Like everyone else, everyone else.
• 2:02:26
  I was like. What the fuck is this?
• 2:02:27
  Why am I being forced to like I feel like there's so much
• 2:02:30
  pressure. Do it, do it.
• 2:02:31
  Do it for your mother, grandmother saved your neighbor.
• 2:02:35
  You're this and it's like getting hostile to me.
• 2:02:39
  I started questioning like what? I started researching no
• 2:02:42
  studies, operational warp speed and then regular vaccines.
• 2:02:45
  I was like, there's no safety studies on regular vaccines.
• 2:02:48
  And this was warp speeded, meaning there's no studies,
• 2:02:51
  there's no nothing. It's literally a shot in the
• 2:02:53
  dark. And I was like, and it's a brand
• 2:02:56
  new mRNA technology. And I have a friend, a friend of
• 2:02:59
  mine, Kagan, who some people. Say that it's not brand new
• 2:03:02
  though that it's been worked on for a while, since 80. 9 Robert
• 2:03:05
  Malone So it's not brand. New OK.
• 2:03:07
  But the technology is they've never deployed it into humans
• 2:03:10
  before, right? And Robert Robert Malone.
• 2:03:13
  That's a guy who he was on a podcast, Rogan getting on Rogan.
• 2:03:16
  Remember that? Yeah, Robert Malone was the one
• 2:03:18
  who invented mRNA in 1989, and he said every primate we tested
• 2:03:22
  it on died within a year. Like that's what he said.
• 2:03:25
  He's like, do not take this. I invented it.
• 2:03:27
  Do not take it. And I'm like, here.
• 2:03:29
  And then all of a sudden that that whole Rogan was taken
• 2:03:31
  offline. Yeah.
• 2:03:33
  And then like there was another like Weinstein.
• 2:03:35
  Brett Weinstein. Yeah.
• 2:03:36
  Brett and Eric. Weinstein, it's like another.
• 2:03:37
  Guy all of a sudden that's scrub from the Internet.
• 2:03:40
  Yeah. And then Tucker Carlson or
• 2:03:41
  someone else was like talking scrubbed.
• 2:03:43
  I'm like, whoa, what's going on here?
• 2:03:45
  Like, I've never been so involved in, like, media before
• 2:03:48
  that. Yeah.
• 2:03:49
  And I'll say but this is just disappearing.
• 2:03:51
  It gets you. Invested.
• 2:03:53
  I was like something's up. So like I refused to take the
• 2:03:55
  COVID vaccine and started doing a deep dive into all vaccines
• 2:03:59
  and I could give you a couple of books, Turtles all the way Down
• 2:04:02
  and Dissolving illusions. You will see these are all
• 2:04:05
  scams. It's a money making scam to make
• 2:04:07
  you sick when you're a beat. Have you ever?
• 2:04:09
  Have you ever? Spent time studying the other
• 2:04:12
  side, the response to turtles all the way down or whatever it
• 2:04:16
  is. And can you, can you make what
• 2:04:19
  what's, what's the argument against?
• 2:04:22
  Against your or against your argument.
• 2:04:26
  The the argument is just from, I think it's, it's not a rational
• 2:04:29
  argument. It's just like they just,
• 2:04:31
  they're repeating tropes, which is.
• 2:04:34
  Things could could save millions of lives, but it's not.
• 2:04:38
  True, but if you ask them. To source, you ask them to.
• 2:04:41
  There's no. Sources.
• 2:04:42
  And there's no anything. They're just repeating,
• 2:04:44
  repeating, repeating. I'm telling it's it's
• 2:04:49
  unbelievable. And they make they make you
• 2:04:51
  sick. I didn't vaccinate my youngest
• 2:04:53
  kid. He is No, he's never been to a
• 2:04:54
  doctor. He's never been to a doctor.
• 2:04:56
  How is your kids? He's 5 and he's.
• 2:04:59
  Totally healthy. All of my other kids.
• 2:05:01
  Have ear infections, strep coughs, asthma, All of them.
• 2:05:07
  All of them. It's crazy.
• 2:05:09
  It's crazy. And these are all side effects
• 2:05:11
  that are on the label of sure scenes.
• 2:05:13
  Do you think that? Do you think that I guess what?
• 2:05:15
  Measles and mumps. These think my father had
• 2:05:18
  measles when he was a kid. He was like, it's just like
• 2:05:20
  chicken pox. Did you have chicken pox when
• 2:05:21
  you were a kid? I did have chicken.
• 2:05:22
  Pox I also did. And it wasn't a big.
• 2:05:24
  I think my neighbor had chicken pox and my mother brought me
• 2:05:26
  over to play with her. Yeah.
• 2:05:27
  So I. Got Yeah, I got, I got James the
• 2:05:29
  Giant Peach and Ice Cube in the bathtub, right?
• 2:05:32
  And I think that almond oatmeal bath or something.
• 2:05:35
  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, but like we.
• 2:05:37
  Wanted to get it because then you have immunity.
• 2:05:39
  Yeah, yeah. But that's when now they have a
• 2:05:40
  very sell a vaccine. So no, kids get chicken pox.
• 2:05:44
  But is that good? These diseases aren't fatal or
• 2:05:46
  dangerous. Even meningitis.
• 2:05:48
  Meningitis is only fatal if you're not anywhere near a
• 2:05:50
  hospital for, like, after you'd contract it for six months.
• 2:05:54
  Then it slowly eats away at a person's brain.
• 2:05:57
  If a kid gets meningitis, they can go to the doctor and they
• 2:05:59
  get a vitamin A shot and it's gone.
• 2:06:01
  And some antibiotics like these are easily treatable.
• 2:06:05
  So what we're doing is we're injecting them with, you know,
• 2:06:06
  the adjuvants inside vaccines, aluminum, formaldehyde, mercury.
• 2:06:11
  I thought aluminum is? Which one?
• 2:06:12
  Aluminum mercury, I thought was phased out of vaccines?
• 2:06:15
  I don't know that. One doesn't.
• 2:06:17
  Matter but like. When I was a kid, all of them
• 2:06:18
  had both of them. All of them had it.
• 2:06:19
  Yeah, you know, and like, and then and then fluoride and all
• 2:06:23
  these, like these are all neurotoxins.
• 2:06:25
  And we're injecting our babies. Our babies is the answer.
• 2:06:29
  That Would you say that this is just it's scientism?
• 2:06:34
  It's denying God and thinking that humans could big trump God,
• 2:06:38
  but it's but. It can't even be that because
• 2:06:41
  the people that are doing the research and conducting a study,
• 2:06:44
  they, they know there's no studies, there's no, there's no
• 2:06:45
  background. They know that there's no they
• 2:06:47
  are basing. It on, it's not it's antibody,
• 2:06:49
  antibody response. Antibody response, Yeah, that if
• 2:06:53
  they inject. A kid with this ignore their
• 2:06:55
  side. Effects ignore it exactly.
• 2:06:57
  And you think that it's normal like ignore?
• 2:07:00
  Everything. It's almost like.
• 2:07:02
  Selective hearing, but that's all.
• 2:07:04
  That's what. That's what RFK yesterday
• 2:07:06
  announced. He's like, it's all about
• 2:07:08
  antibodies. He's like, no, we're going to do
• 2:07:09
  real research. Listen, if they have real, truly
• 2:07:12
  safe vaccines, that's a godsend. That's an amazing thing.
• 2:07:17
  Yeah. The kids, these are fake.
• 2:07:18
  These, the vaccines we have are fake.
• 2:07:20
  When my parents were kids, they had two vaccines.
• 2:07:23
  I think the polio and the. And one other.
• 2:07:26
  One measles, mumps. I don't know.
• 2:07:30
  Smallpox, Smallpox. Smallpox.
• 2:07:32
  And yeah, yeah. And polio.
• 2:07:34
  Yeah. And then when I was a kid, I had
• 2:07:36
  12. How many our kids have 72?
• 2:07:39
  That's crazy. 72, you know, they're money makers.
• 2:07:42
  And by the way, the money that they make isn't even about the
• 2:07:45
  giving the vaccines. It's about lifetime of being in
• 2:07:47
  a doctor's office. I was talking to my.
• 2:07:49
  Students yesterday actually about conspiracy theories.
• 2:07:51
  We're just having fun. I was explaining to them where
• 2:07:53
  the root of a lot of it comes from, and we're talking about
• 2:07:55
  what regulatory capture meant, you know, And I was like, and I
• 2:07:59
  was like, how old are you? Students 10th grade, OK.
• 2:08:02
  I was like, what does regulation mean?
• 2:08:03
  You know, and we get to the root of regulation, right, to
• 2:08:05
  regulate, which is to control or to, or you know, I was like, so
• 2:08:09
  great. So I was like, what does
• 2:08:10
  regulatory capture mean? What does it mean?
• 2:08:13
  Capture of control, like controlling who controls what,
• 2:08:19
  right? I was like, great, as like every
• 2:08:21
  conspiracy theory you ever heard, you ever heard comes down
• 2:08:24
  to that, right? But the question always becomes,
• 2:08:28
  what is the potential risk versus the payoff, right?
• 2:08:31
  So for example, it is the, you know, this is a real life case
• 2:08:34
  that happens to me. I've talked about this on the
• 2:08:36
  podcast before, But with the COVID vaccine, I initially took
• 2:08:39
  it and I told him and I was arguing with my mom about it at
• 2:08:43
  the Shabbos table. And Shabbos afternoon in 2021
• 2:08:46
  you got the 1st 2:00. I had the first two I got.
• 2:08:48
  Moderna and a booster. I didn't get a.
• 2:08:51
  Booster, no, OK. After the first two, I six
• 2:08:59
  months later, I was already like, I shouldn't have taken
• 2:09:01
  that, but six months later I already took it.
• 2:09:04
  So by the way, with the information that I had at the
• 2:09:06
  time, I probably would have taken it again, but it.
• 2:09:09
  Was very hard for me to to hold back.
• 2:09:11
  So it's my mom's like. Emma, come on.
• 2:09:13
  I was like, you think there's a conspiracy to get billions of
• 2:09:15
  people like vaccinated? My mother did not want it.
• 2:09:18
  Yeah. And I said, come on.
• 2:09:21
  I was like, even if you don't think it works, there's no way
• 2:09:23
  it's going to hurt everyone. It's no way that people are out
• 2:09:25
  there to hurt people and make money on that.
• 2:09:28
  And I'm like, Oh my God, they're out there to hurt people and
• 2:09:32
  make money on that. Like.
• 2:09:33
  And. And it's when I was explaining
• 2:09:35
  to my students, I'm like, the the bigger the risk, the bigger
• 2:09:38
  the payoff. But then when the risk doesn't
• 2:09:41
  work out, right? So I was like, so actually a lot
• 2:09:44
  of the risk keeps conspiracy, the people that would be behind
• 2:09:48
  the conspiracy theories in check because they don't want to lose.
• 2:09:50
  They don't want to, you know, show their hands, right?
• 2:09:53
  So I think pharmaceutical companies got so greedy that
• 2:09:59
  they were willing to extend their hand for the risk.
• 2:10:03
  So I was like, think about this, right?
• 2:10:05
  What, how much money did they make on the COVID vaccine?
• 2:10:07
  How much money have they lost since then based on just
• 2:10:10
  distrust because of how far they pushed the COVID vaccine?
• 2:10:13
  But. You know, so it.
• 2:10:14
  Wasn't worth it for them. Now Pfizer.
• 2:10:16
  And Pfizer's biggest drug is is cancer and myocarditis drugs are
• 2:10:21
  they which are caused by the COVID.
• 2:10:22
  Yeah, of course. Really.
• 2:10:24
  And that's what all. Of this stuff is they give
• 2:10:26
  children things and Pfizer since.
• 2:10:28
  Since since the COVID vaccine has come out with biotech.
• 2:10:31
  Yes they bought 3 cancer companies that use AI to target
• 2:10:35
  specific cancers and their newest things would be cancer
• 2:10:38
  drugs and my parents getting turbo cancer.
• 2:10:41
  You don't hear about this I've heard about.
• 2:10:42
  It but I don't. I've had five.
• 2:10:44
  Friends drop dead, you had. Five friends.
• 2:10:46
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:10:47
  One of them was a cold one of the cola guys in in Miami
• 2:10:50
  Beach's wife, 42 years old, drop dead.
• 2:10:53
  Drop dead heart attack like 2 weeks after her third, her third
• 2:10:58
  dose. I mean, this is it's don't you
• 2:11:02
  can't trust these people. It's hushed Amamaina, hushed,
• 2:11:04
  hushed Bawasa. It's a Gamara concept.
• 2:11:06
  They're suspect of greed. They don't care about your life.
• 2:11:11
  They want money and the money isn't in even in the vaccines.
• 2:11:14
  It's about the perpetual sickness that yeah, yeah, the
• 2:11:17
  pharmaceutical. Treadmill is what it's called
• 2:11:19
  you're exposing. Your children, Hashem made our
• 2:11:21
  bodies perfect. That's what they say.
• 2:11:22
  Don't even give your kid Tylenol if they have a fever because the
• 2:11:25
  fever is between 100 and 100 and 102 and that is a perfect
• 2:11:31
  temperature to kill bad viruses in your body and bacteria, but
• 2:11:36
  not the good bacteria I know, but you know.
• 2:11:39
  But I feel, I feel, I know from my own experience that when
• 2:11:42
  you're a parent and you're in your first time parent and you
• 2:11:45
  have a kid that's a year old and they're hot and they can't sleep
• 2:11:48
  and they're crying and they're miserable, you want a solution.
• 2:11:52
  Right now, if you don't vaccinate your kid, she will he
• 2:11:55
  she will not get fever. She will not have fever.
• 2:12:00
  That all of these. Illnesses that your babies get
• 2:12:03
  are because they were just vaccinated and they're always
• 2:12:05
  after their Wellness visits. That's when people kids.
• 2:12:08
  Get kids, get fevers from from their teeth going in people get
• 2:12:12
  people get kids get kids get fevers from from from going to
• 2:12:16
  play. Of course they're going to be
• 2:12:17
  fine, but my, my, my, my, my point is that it's a lot easier
• 2:12:21
  said that parents want parents, especially young parents that
• 2:12:25
  are first time parents. They want answers more than
• 2:12:28
  anything. People look for stability and
• 2:12:31
  that's why authority is so attractive because authority is
• 2:12:36
  the equivalent of confidence and stability.
• 2:12:38
  I know this. I spent X amount of time
• 2:12:40
  studying this and researching this.
• 2:12:42
  How much time have you spent? Zero.
• 2:12:43
  What do you do for a living? You're a teacher and you do
• 2:12:45
  sales and you do a podcast. Guess what?
• 2:12:47
  Mind your own business. Sit in the corner.
• 2:12:48
  Let the professionals tell you what to do, what you think.
• 2:12:51
  Doctors researched this. No, I, I I, by the way, most
• 2:12:55
  doctors I've. Spoken to.
• 2:12:57
  They are just taught in school to follow orders in a book.
• 2:13:01
  And that's why even in my school right now, we have the DSM 5,
• 2:13:04
  right? The Diagnostic Statistical
• 2:13:06
  Manual about mental illness. It's a bullshit book.
• 2:13:09
  Is it? Yeah.
• 2:13:11
  Meaning you could diagnose anyone with bipolar and there's
• 2:13:13
  no difference between bipolar 2 and just having a really bad
• 2:13:16
  day. What's what is?
• 2:13:17
  Bipolar 2. Technical Bipolar. 2 is just
• 2:13:19
  like you don't have major mood swings, but like you have like
• 2:13:22
  you're happy in the morning and then like you're sad at night
• 2:13:23
  Yeah, that's just a bad day Yeah, you know the.
• 2:13:26
  Great bit about that. What's his name?
• 2:13:29
  Kevin J Kevin James and they are usually fat.
• 2:13:32
  I don't know the Adam Sandler movies and King of Queens or
• 2:13:35
  whatever. He has a new he has a new Amazon
• 2:13:37
  special. He was pre diabetic.
• 2:13:40
  He was a diabetic. I mean not diabetic.
• 2:13:42
  He's like, well, if all of us, if you, if you're diabetic,
• 2:13:46
  you're 1 camp and we're not diabetic.
• 2:13:48
  We're in this camp. You're a little bit closer to
• 2:13:50
  this camp than we are, but I'm not diabetic yet.
• 2:13:52
  He's like, no, you're not diabetic yet.
• 2:13:53
  He goes so I'm still in the pre diabetic range.
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  He goes yeah, tell him OK, he's like, yeah, but you could not
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  be. And then he goes OK, Bob.
• 2:14:01
  And then he goes to his doctor. He's like, do you have diabetes?
• 2:14:04
  Like, no, I was like, could you get diabetes?
• 2:14:06
  Like, I guess, yeah. So you're pretty diabetic, too.
• 2:14:09
  And he's like, well, yeah, I guess so, you know, But it just
• 2:14:12
  came out. And what?
• 2:14:12
  Else do it. Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 2:14:13
  Very good on Amazon. He I was I, it's I'd probably
• 2:14:18
  give it AB Plus in terms of comedy, do you like stand up
• 2:14:20
  comedy? I might give.
• 2:14:22
  It AB to B plus I went to see Ari Shaffir here the other week.
• 2:14:25
  Who's here? He was here.
• 2:14:26
  He was. In Danger Point, What?
• 2:14:28
  Yeah, he did. I think two or three nights.
• 2:14:30
  He went on Thursday night. I wanted to do 1.
• 2:14:33
  I. Where'd you think of it?
• 2:14:35
  I loved it. I loved it also.
• 2:14:36
  I loved it. I loved it a little like.
• 2:14:39
  It was. It was.
• 2:14:40
  It was pushing the envelope. It was raunchy.
• 2:14:41
  He was like, you know what? He.
• 2:14:42
  Gave like a good. He was fair.
• 2:14:44
  Yeah, about. Yeshiva and everything.
• 2:14:46
  Yeah. And he was on Tucker Carlson.
• 2:14:48
  Did you? Yeah, I.
• 2:14:49
  Watched that too. I thought that was actually like
• 2:14:51
  Tucker was like, really? They just study and try to do
• 2:14:53
  kindness all day. Yeah, OK.
• 2:14:55
  He's like, that's amazing. Yeah.
• 2:15:01
  He's. Like dude, crazy I.
• 2:15:03
  You. Know I can't get I can't.
• 2:15:06
  He drives me crazy. Tucker.
• 2:15:08
  Tucker, I think he's but he gets.
• 2:15:09
  The best he's turning into an anti summit like no so.
• 2:15:12
  I'm going to push back. I don't think he is.
• 2:15:16
  Here's what I here's what I'm going to say.
• 2:15:18
  People are incredibly canvas Owens.
• 2:15:20
  And I'm not on Ben Shapiro's side, but I'm telling you right
• 2:15:23
  now, from how they speak, canvas Owens is not.
• 2:15:25
  The same thing as Tucker Carlson, I think they're on the
• 2:15:27
  same. Page and I think it's a his
• 2:15:29
  whole issue with Israel is not America first.
• 2:15:32
  It's not America first. We have always protected Israel.
• 2:15:37
  They've been our greatest allies.
• 2:15:39
  It is important for us to have some Middle East stability.
• 2:15:42
  So let me let me ask. So let me ask, guess what I
• 2:15:44
  don't. Trust Netanyahu.
• 2:15:45
  By the way, I'm not a Zionist. I think I.
• 2:15:48
  My, my, my, I have a friend that came that I did a podcast with
• 2:15:51
  made a remarkable point they never thought of.
• 2:15:54
  And that is if BB was out tomorrow, the person that
• 2:15:58
  replaced him would be a lot worse than BB is, right?
• 2:16:03
  And that BB's hands are tied right now because he's barely
• 2:16:07
  keeping his coalition alive. And if he does, if he sneezes
• 2:16:11
  the wrong way, the entire government shuts down, falls
• 2:16:13
  apart. And so right now, he's in a
• 2:16:16
  unique scenario. And I don't think that.
• 2:16:18
  And I think that particularly American politicians that don't
• 2:16:21
  know the Israeli, they don't know the Israeli system of
• 2:16:23
  politics. I don't think they quite
• 2:16:25
  understand that if they decide it's America doesn't live in a
• 2:16:29
  world where like if people decide that there's just a
• 2:16:31
  government shutdown, a Congress decides that the government
• 2:16:33
  shutdown and then the president is just removed.
• 2:16:35
  And then like you just have new elections.
• 2:16:38
  We don't have that in America, Israel.
• 2:16:39
  So America doesn't understand that about Israel politics.
• 2:16:42
  I don't like, I don't love BB by any stretch of the imagination
• 2:16:45
  either, especially after the last couple of years.
• 2:16:48
  I think I don't, I think that he did probably more harm for
• 2:16:52
  Israel than good, especially when it comes to our
• 2:16:55
  relationship with America and especially when it comes to our
• 2:16:57
  optics in the rest of the world. I think that if Hamas had any
• 2:17:00
  kind of plan and the plan was to lose public favor, for Israel to
• 2:17:06
  lose public favor in the world's eyes, they 1000% accomplished
• 2:17:11
  their plan. And I don't think they give AI,
• 2:17:13
  don't think they give a flying crap about all the lives that
• 2:17:15
  are lost in the in the process of doing that.
• 2:17:19
  I, I, I, I, I, I, my heart breaks.
• 2:17:22
  And I think about this a lot. If America, if South Florida got
• 2:17:26
  bombed because of a decision that Trump or Biden or Bush or
• 2:17:29
  Obama or anywhere or Clinton or Reagan or anyone made, I would
• 2:17:33
  never forgive him. If, if, if, if my family, I'm
• 2:17:37
  working so hard to keep together and to grow and, and I'm
• 2:17:41
  struggling every day of my life to try to do provide the best
• 2:17:44
  for my family and create the most meaningful and healthy and
• 2:17:46
  organic and wholesome life. And I get blown up because of
• 2:17:49
  something else that someone else says or someone else does that's
• 2:17:52
  outside of my control. I would be so upset.
• 2:17:55
  I'd be mortified. Now, I don't know what
• 2:17:57
  percentage of the people have absolutely nothing to do with
• 2:18:00
  Hamas in in Gaza. I don't know what percentage of
• 2:18:03
  people and I don't think anyone will ever know because I don't
• 2:18:05
  think the numbers are ever going to be accurate.
• 2:18:07
  The answer is not 100. This is not 100% right.
• 2:18:10
  I. Don't think a. 100% of the
• 2:18:12
  people living in in Gaza, 100% of the Palestinians are pro
• 2:18:16
  Hamas in this war and are still suffering the consequences of
• 2:18:20
  being in a place that they can't control where they're just
• 2:18:23
  trying to live their lives and their lives can blown up.
• 2:18:26
  And I think it's sad, but and I I'm sad that Israel has to do
• 2:18:31
  that and I'm sad that Israel has to optics for that.
• 2:18:34
  It's Hamas and it is. And I do believe the Oslo it.
• 2:18:39
  Is. Hamas's fault 100% and all this
• 2:18:43
  is a battle of optics and no one on the pro Israel side is
• 2:18:48
  intelligent enough or eloquent or articulate enough to say
• 2:18:52
  guys, you're I agree with you. It is awful that children and
• 2:18:58
  women and babies are getting blown up.
• 2:19:01
  How come they don't say that? That's all you got to say.
• 2:19:03
  No, they don't. I, I, I don't hear it.
• 2:19:05
  I and I listen to these and I listen to podcasts and I listen
• 2:19:08
  to the bass and I listen to and I listen to all this stuff and
• 2:19:13
  no one represents is everyone has the same condescending,
• 2:19:19
  stupid, authoritarian perspective you have to like as
• 2:19:23
  well. They've always been a great
• 2:19:24
  guess what, acknowledge that some that that this sucks.
• 2:19:28
  Acknowledge that this isn't ideal, but Israel.
• 2:19:30
  And you will get. Honesty Nation are.
• 2:19:32
  Americans, 1/4 of the population of Israel.
• 2:19:35
  I don't know if that number is right, but a lot American dual
• 2:19:38
  citizenships, sure, it's American Jews who are living
• 2:19:41
  there. There's so many Americans who
• 2:19:42
  live in America, America who have places in Israel, a family
• 2:19:46
  in Israel. It's such an intertwined country
• 2:19:49
  and we have done everything. The American governments,
• 2:19:52
  whichever president was there, Clinton, Obama, Bush's, we've
• 2:19:57
  done everything. We've given up Gaza, we've
• 2:20:00
  released control. We've taken our own people out
• 2:20:02
  of there. We've done everything.
• 2:20:04
  We've taken the partitions. We, the maps keep getting
• 2:20:06
  smaller. And that's it's like what Ben
• 2:20:09
  Shapiro says. The only thing is like if, if
• 2:20:11
  Israel would lay down its arms. We would be murdered by Hamas if
• 2:20:15
  Hamas put down their own right, but I don't would.
• 2:20:17
  Live in Riviera, so so I think that's true.
• 2:20:21
  It is true. But that's not it's not a good
• 2:20:23
  enough answer. The reason why it's not a good
• 2:20:25
  enough answer is geopolitically. We always take care of our
• 2:20:28
  allies. I'm not talking about Ukraine.
• 2:20:31
  I'm not talking about America totally different than Ukraine,
• 2:20:33
  but I'm talking about Tucker Carlson specifically.
• 2:20:35
  I'm telling you whenever I hear him, whenever it comes about
• 2:20:38
  Jews, I think he has. He's an Episcopalian and and
• 2:20:42
  Candace is a Catholic and both of those evangelicals love love
• 2:20:46
  Jews and Protestants like Baptist or whatever or Southern
• 2:20:50
  Baptist, even Episcopalian and and Catholics do not like Jews.
• 2:20:57
  They believe they take the New Testament literally.
• 2:21:00
  Jews are the House of Satan. We're the Antichrist.
• 2:21:04
  We kill Jesus. They don't like us and I think
• 2:21:08
  it's coming out whenever it comes up and Israel is just a
• 2:21:11
  front. It's AI think Hooker is.
• 2:21:14
  I think it's. Plausible.
• 2:21:15
  I'm not even saying you're wrong.
• 2:21:17
  What I'm saying is, it's what? I feel OK.
• 2:21:19
  Yeah, by the way, I don't. You could be right.
• 2:21:22
  Love Tucker. Like, you could be right.
• 2:21:23
  Love Tucker. He has such investigative
• 2:21:25
  journalism. He was talking about things
• 2:21:27
  nobody else was talking about, right?
• 2:21:28
  That's what's valuable. Whenever it comes to.
• 2:21:29
  Israel or Jews? He's like he changes.
• 2:21:33
  And guess what? I love Candace Owens too.
• 2:21:35
  I always listen to her. She has a whole series called
• 2:21:37
  Shot in the Dark about vaccines. You heard that?
• 2:21:40
  No, I haven't. I want.
• 2:21:41
  To actually listen to the Bridget and when he got one of
• 2:21:45
  the easy ones, but. She did a deep dive.
• 2:21:47
  I think they stopped her and she was going through each vaccine
• 2:21:51
  and she did a deep hour podcast on each vaccine showing you how
• 2:21:54
  BS it is. Yeah, it's called A Shot in the
• 2:21:57
  Dark. And I loved her for that.
• 2:21:58
  I loved her like it was during COVID when I was like learning
• 2:22:01
  about this so so. I don't.
• 2:22:03
  But but what she's, what she said and what Tucker said and
• 2:22:06
  what I agree with and I think what a lot of people have to
• 2:22:08
  understand, and I think that there's an enormous sensitivity
• 2:22:12
  criticizing the government of Israel's actions is not
• 2:22:15
  anti-Semitic. I don't.
• 2:22:17
  I'm not. Talking about that I know, but.
• 2:22:18
  I think that a lot of people do and I think, and I talk about
• 2:22:21
  you, I think people in general, I honestly.
• 2:22:23
  Think the biggest American patriots.
• 2:22:26
  All of the people. That, say American could.
• 2:22:28
  Be better. I think October 7th was an
• 2:22:30
  inside job. Do you think so?
• 2:22:31
  I think so too, by the way. I think they let it.
• 2:22:33
  Happen. I think they let it happen and
• 2:22:37
  and I think it's terrible. And I think it's terrible,
• 2:22:39
  forgivable. It's.
• 2:22:40
  Unforgivable. They should all be on a tribunal
• 2:22:42
  and hanged like the head of the Shin Bet, the head of the
• 2:22:46
  Mossad. I think they all knew it was
• 2:22:48
  going to happen and they let it happen.
• 2:22:50
  For political shit, probably. Maybe to get to Tonio out of
• 2:22:53
  office. I don't know what what the
• 2:22:54
  motivation maybe to get. Maybe to bomb Gaza to pieces.
• 2:22:57
  Maybe. I don't know what it is and
• 2:22:59
  that's. The thick thing stinks, and
• 2:23:00
  that's the thick thing. And that is not what's best for
• 2:23:02
  Jews. It's not what's best for the
• 2:23:03
  world's, not what's best for Israel.
• 2:23:05
  It's not what's best for Zionism.
• 2:23:06
  I. Told I tell people whenever and
• 2:23:08
  I would love to move to Israel. Like I'm looking at buying hope.
• 2:23:10
  I want to buy something like an Ashkelon.
• 2:23:12
  Like I think it was like a new building coming.
• 2:23:13
  I can get it for like cheap. I love Ashkelon.
• 2:23:16
  I want to. Move.
• 2:23:16
  There's a lot of time there. And I was not as.
• 2:23:18
  I tell people like, oh, for the world Zionist or Congress or
• 2:23:22
  whatever's happening now, Yeah. And.
• 2:23:24
  I'm like, I'm not. Registering for anything that
• 2:23:26
  says Zionist in it. I don't understand what it is.
• 2:23:28
  Why? Because it's an ISM.
• 2:23:30
  To me, it's like yeshivish ISM. It's a Zionism, it's communism,
• 2:23:33
  it's socialism. I don't want isms.
• 2:23:35
  I love omnistrol and I love Eritusrol.
• 2:23:38
  I love Jewish. People and I love.
• 2:23:41
  Jewish people and I love the land of Israel yeah so but I
• 2:23:44
  don't know what Zionism is yeah political movement that I don't
• 2:23:48
  understand because by the. Way.
• 2:23:50
  There's so many different heads, there's so many different
• 2:23:52
  branches in itself. It's just, I think it's just.
• 2:23:54
  People making another ISM so they could be at the head of it
• 2:23:56
  and they're using us as just cogs in their Zionism thing.
• 2:24:00
  I'm not involved. I'm not a Zionist, right?
• 2:24:03
  But like I would join Sahal to protect my my Jewish brothers
• 2:24:07
  and sisters, right, who are living there, right?
• 2:24:09
  You know, but I'm not fighting. So we need we so, so we.
• 2:24:12
  I think that I think that there needs to be be more voice.
• 2:24:14
  So I think that we lose a lot of credibility, especially after
• 2:24:20
  the last 10 years when a lot of Jews scream anti-Semitism
• 2:24:24
  instead of responding to a particular, for example, Right.
• 2:24:29
  I talked about this. Actually I did.
• 2:24:30
  I do solo episodes every now and then and I listen to a Candace
• 2:24:34
  Owen episode. I forgot who she was.
• 2:24:36
  Talking to I have to remember, but she was talking about Israel
• 2:24:40
  a little bit and she was saying like, oh, does it make any sense
• 2:24:44
  that America is in the Middle East?
• 2:24:46
  Guess what? It does make a lot of sense that
• 2:24:47
  America is in the Middle East because there's an enormous
• 2:24:49
  amount of wealth and and she's like, America didn't get
• 2:24:51
  anything from all those wars. Guess what People got stuff out
• 2:24:55
  of those wars. People got wealth out of those
• 2:24:57
  wars. People got power and influence
• 2:24:59
  and the people that wanted to wage those wars waged those
• 2:25:01
  wars. I don't think that it was
• 2:25:02
  directly Israel's fault, but I also think that instead of
• 2:25:06
  telling Kansas Owens you're a lunatic Zionist and then posting
• 2:25:09
  it all over Twitter and flipping out over about it, if I could
• 2:25:11
  just say, hey, I understand where you're coming from.
• 2:25:14
  I hear where your conclusion you're coming to.
• 2:25:16
  Have you ever considered the fact that America really did
• 2:25:19
  benefit from the wars that are happening in the middle?
• 2:25:21
  And not all of America, but particular people in America had
• 2:25:24
  particular interests. And if you want to say that
• 2:25:27
  particularly people in Israel did too, that's fine.
• 2:25:29
  But don't tell me, don't lie to me and tell me that Israel
• 2:25:32
  convinced everyone in America to join for exclusively Israel's
• 2:25:36
  sake. And America got nothing out of
• 2:25:37
  it. Like I don't think it's true.
• 2:25:38
  And like, I think that's important to be able to have
• 2:25:41
  that conversation, have both. Made comments about how the
• 2:25:44
  American government works for APEC.
• 2:25:47
  Yeah, and they're just Israeli shells for the Israeli
• 2:25:51
  government. Like that's so conspiratorial.
• 2:25:53
  And that's why I don't mind if she criticizes the government.
• 2:25:56
  I don't like the Israeli government.
• 2:25:58
  But when she starts talking about we have to have nothing to
• 2:26:00
  do with Israel, it's coming. Did you you never watch that
• 2:26:03
  Douglas Murray where he responded to Candace?
• 2:26:05
  It was no. I kind of lost.
• 2:26:08
  I lost a lot of respect to Douglas Murray after his debate
• 2:26:10
  with Dave Smith. Oh.
• 2:26:12
  Yeah, that was weird. That was terrible.
• 2:26:14
  I was so excited for it. I know I was so excited.
• 2:26:17
  And he, he. He.
• 2:26:19
  He shot himself in the foot probably 5 or 6 times in a huge
• 2:26:23
  way and by the time he had a couple of really good points
• 2:26:26
  that by the time he got to them he ruined all his credibility
• 2:26:28
  that there was no way that there was everything he was.
• 2:26:30
  Condescending to him. He was disgusting.
• 2:26:32
  Right, there's a problem. It's his bird book at the end of
• 2:26:35
  the day, he makes good points like he's very because.
• 2:26:38
  You lose those points and you lose the people and you lose the
• 2:26:40
  followers. You lose this like this was
• 2:26:41
  like. Eight months ago he had a
• 2:26:43
  response to Candace Owens and it was very, very eloquent, fair,
• 2:26:47
  middle of the road. The government might have major
• 2:26:50
  issues, but these are our allies and they have an existential
• 2:26:54
  threat. And it's a tiny little country
• 2:26:56
  that has done everything to try to make peace with their Arab
• 2:26:58
  neighbors. They don't care.
• 2:27:00
  And these Arab neighbors, it's not like, oh, Russia doesn't
• 2:27:03
  have in their charter to kill all Ukrainians to and drive them
• 2:27:07
  into the the Black Sea. That's not in their charter.
• 2:27:10
  This is in the charter for in, in the Palestinian in, in the
• 2:27:14
  West Bank and in Gaza. This is their charter like to
• 2:27:17
  kill, to do genocide, and you have to we as we should protect
• 2:27:22
  them. I don't know.
• 2:27:24
  You're right. It's complicated, it's so, but.
• 2:27:26
  I think I have this feeling. Candace and Tucker and and
• 2:27:30
  there's a guy coffee and COVID. I read in the morning.
• 2:27:33
  Jeff Childers, you should read it.
• 2:27:34
  It's great. It's like on Substack.
• 2:27:36
  He's hilarious and he has such a good his fingers on the pulse.
• 2:27:40
  He shows you all the BS from the New York Times and the
• 2:27:42
  Washington Post and but Tucker's guests?
• 2:27:44
  Are are are like a plus quality. He has such so I hate I hate the
• 2:27:49
  way he interviews because it's the same gotcha journalism that
• 2:27:53
  is the corporate media in the sense that he phrases questions
• 2:27:56
  as statements that completely push the narrative, right.
• 2:28:00
  You know, so it'd be like, oh, state of Israel, you go.
• 2:28:02
  So, you know, you know, when you tell a country to do that, Oh,
• 2:28:04
  it sounds like they hate you. Like why do they, you know, do
• 2:28:06
  they hate you and why do they hate you?
• 2:28:08
  You know, you know, like what you just changed the entire
• 2:28:12
  premise of a question that was supposed to be open-ended.
• 2:28:14
  You just, you just took miles and miles of potential area that
• 2:28:18
  you could be answering and you've narrowed it down to 1
• 2:28:21
  little Rd. which is why do they hate you?
• 2:28:24
  And that's not journalism, you know.
• 2:28:25
  And by the way, what I do appreciate about him and the
• 2:28:28
  same breath is that he does break all these stories and talk
• 2:28:31
  about people that would. I think that part of journalism
• 2:28:35
  is hard to define. I think that it is introducing
• 2:28:38
  new perspectives so that for for people to be able to come to
• 2:28:41
  those conclusions. And he does that exceptionally
• 2:28:44
  well. I don't like the question that
• 2:28:46
  he asks when he's interviewing, but I think that the quality
• 2:28:49
  guests that he gets and the type of conversations that he has are
• 2:28:52
  extremely valuable regardless because they provide other
• 2:28:56
  perspectives that just give food, food for thought.
• 2:28:59
  So can I just? Say that I love Tucker Grossen,
• 2:29:02
  but I just don't think he likes Jews.
• 2:29:04
  Yeah, sure. You.
• 2:29:05
  Could by the way, I I think that about Dave Smith.
• 2:29:07
  I love Dave Smith. I don't think he likes, I don't
• 2:29:09
  think he likes Jews, but I think he's very unfair to Jews in
• 2:29:11
  Israel, which by the. Way I I sometimes also don't
• 2:29:13
  like Jews like I hear like Jews are like if if you ever listen
• 2:29:18
  to Kanye about what happened to him, do you understand why he
• 2:29:22
  hates Jews? No, he had a Jewish manager who
• 2:29:25
  stole everything from him, who got him into a contract that
• 2:29:28
  basically his manager made like 70% of all of his proceeds.
• 2:29:34
  And he gave Kanye 30 and he signed it when he was like 19
• 2:29:38
  years old. And he worked for like decades.
• 2:29:43
  Yeah, totally for for like decades to break, to get out of
• 2:29:47
  that contract. And he lost so much money.
• 2:29:50
  And he was this and that. I would.
• 2:29:52
  I would also Jews. Let's say the Jews are the best
• 2:29:54
  people I've ever met are Jews and the worst people I've ever
• 2:29:57
  met. The worst?
• 2:29:59
  Yeah, for every. Great, Arnabian does it.
• 2:30:02
  You have. Yeah, you have a.
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  Yeah, yeah. Chuck Schumer.
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  Jeffrey Epstein. Harvey Weinstein, Bernie
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  Madoffs, like a Jew without Yiddish kite is the worst piece
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  of shit on the on the face of the Earth.
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  Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say without Yiddish kite, which
• 2:30:18
  is like without morals. Yeah, without.
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  The direction like we're so. Smart.
• 2:30:22
  We're so sneaky we could figure out how to collapse an entire
• 2:30:25
  banking system because we would Ever.
• 2:30:28
  Yeah, what are we? We're good.
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  We're good. I want to, I want to.
• 2:30:32
  We're about two hours and 15 minutes to wrap it up.
• 2:30:36
  Well, wrap it up I. Want to wrap up though, I want
• 2:30:37
  to wrap up with with the last bit of hope for psychedelics.
• 2:30:43
  So I want to ask two things. I want you to repeat the story
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  to me again with the twins, with a girl, and then I want you.
• 2:30:51
  And then I want to ask what you're planning on, what your
• 2:30:54
  hopes for the future and your plans are for trying to help
• 2:30:57
  legalize Abigail or so? Ayahuasca is Ayahuasca is legal
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  if you have a religious exemption because it's.
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  It's used. In Mesoamerican religious
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  cultures. So because of freedom of
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  religion here, you could get in, I forgot what it's called A5O1C6
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  something which is a nonprofit religious exemption.
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  You become like a Church of ayahuasca.
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  That's what Tick and Healing has here and there's a few other
• 2:31:27
  places so it's legal to do it there.
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  Ayahuasca which is DMT based, which is like ibogaine and
• 2:31:34
  pipeyote. It's dimethyltryptamine as
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  opposed to like mushrooms or suicides.
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  It's it, it opens you up like it's the pineal gland secrets.
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  This when a person's born and when they die.
• 2:31:51
  Yeah, DMT, The DMT, you can actually get it and secrete it
• 2:31:55
  through your through your pineal gland, through breath work,
• 2:31:58
  crazy breath work. And and I think.
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  It's very important for deep trauma especially, and I think
• 2:32:05
  after World War 2, we're just dealing with a world of of deep
• 2:32:08
  trauma just keeps getting perpetuated throughout the
• 2:32:11
  generations. So I.
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  I've had experiences with ayahuasca now with, I mean, I
• 2:32:18
  used to take addicts from Miami to Mexico to do iboga, drug
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  addicts, but that I didn't really focus on the trip with
• 2:32:25
  them so much at more of just like the healing and yeah, just
• 2:32:28
  get them there. Get.
• 2:32:29
  Them off of opiates, you know, it wasn't really what you see
• 2:32:33
  what you experience. But with tikkun, I was taking
• 2:32:36
  some people to do ayahuasca and it's just it it it's so it's
• 2:32:43
  like the ultimate catharsis, right?
• 2:32:45
  Catharsis is Freud's way of when you talk about your pain, you
• 2:32:49
  let it out right? And crying and laughing is your
• 2:32:53
  way of it's words. It's words that you're you're
• 2:32:58
  it's words you don't know how to verbalize your soul just makes
• 2:33:02
  it come out as tears, laughter. And that I think that ayahuasca,
• 2:33:08
  these DMT things do that. And it, it, it goes, it's like a
• 2:33:12
  deep dive into yourself, into who you are, your true nature,
• 2:33:15
  your history, your past. And there was a few crazy
• 2:33:19
  stories that I had just don't know, like HIPAA violation.
• 2:33:22
  If I'm a lotta, I mean, if she hears this, she would know I'm
• 2:33:25
  talking about her. But is that a HIPAA?
• 2:33:26
  Violation. I don't know.
• 2:33:28
  I don't think so. It's always.
• 2:33:29
  Completely anonymous, so it. Was a person who they were
• 2:33:33
  depressed from the 8 from literally 5-6 years old.
• 2:33:36
  This is what her parents said in and out of treatment, treatment
• 2:33:40
  resistant depression. Finally her parents was like, we
• 2:33:43
  want her to do ayahuasca. She came to do ayahuasca and we
• 2:33:48
  were there to help her with, with integration and whatever,
• 2:33:51
  just holding space. She did it and she, she
• 2:33:57
  afterwards I was like talking, we were talking.
• 2:33:59
  She said that she it had taken. She said ayahuasca took her back
• 2:34:03
  to her mother's womb and. When she was in her.
• 2:34:06
  Womb. There was another baby in there
• 2:34:09
  with her and then when she came out of the womb it was just her
• 2:34:13
  by herself and that when she was on ayahuasca, she met her
• 2:34:17
  sister. Who she didn't know.
• 2:34:21
  That she had who had died. She was stillborn, and her
• 2:34:25
  sister's neshama told her that she's perfectly happy.
• 2:34:29
  Her soul said that I'm perfectly happy in heaven.
• 2:34:33
  I'm sitting next to God, everything is good.
• 2:34:36
  I'm living in utter joy and bliss and I'm waiting for you
• 2:34:39
  and you need to let me go and live your life, get married,
• 2:34:46
  have a happy life. I I even think she told her like
• 2:34:49
  a name of who she's going to marry and how many kids she's.
• 2:34:53
  But like. That can't be confirmed yet.
• 2:34:57
  And then she called, we called her mother, she called her
• 2:35:00
  mother and we were there and she said.
• 2:35:04
  That she said she's. Telling her the story and her
• 2:35:06
  mother because there was just a silence on the phone and we
• 2:35:11
  heard her mother like muffle the phone and ask the husband if she
• 2:35:15
  ever told her, if he ever told her.
• 2:35:17
  And he responded, we heard why would I ever tell her?
• 2:35:20
  Why would that ever help her? And we immediately realized that
• 2:35:25
  like this was true that she had a twin and the twin was a
• 2:35:29
  stillborn. Her parents had never told her
• 2:35:30
  about it and that her entire life she was depressed because
• 2:35:33
  she missed this this other piece of her because a twins are
• 2:35:38
  really one cell, right? Was meiosis or whatever it's
• 2:35:41
  called, where they split and that she was missing her and
• 2:35:45
  that she finally got this release from that other soul
• 2:35:49
  telling her to go live her life. It was a wild story.
• 2:35:55
  It was a wild story through the craziest.
• 2:35:57
  Stories ever heard of my entire life?
• 2:35:58
  By the way, there was another guy.
• 2:35:59
  Who he was a sex addict. He was like a porn addict and
• 2:36:03
  and prostitutes and things and married, married, divorced and.
• 2:36:07
  And he went. Back Ayahuasca took him back.
• 2:36:11
  This is a wild story to when he was being conceived and he was
• 2:36:17
  like in the bedroom with his parents.
• 2:36:19
  No way. And he saw.
• 2:36:21
  How his father was just using his mother for sexual lust and
• 2:36:26
  there was no love whatsoever in that union.
• 2:36:29
  And that's what he was born from.
• 2:36:31
  Wow. And he realized that his sex
• 2:36:34
  addiction was because of that. That caught.
• 2:36:37
  This and then and he stopped. He's free from his sex
• 2:36:41
  addiction. Wow, like these are so.
• 2:36:44
  So what do you do to? What's the What's this I think?
• 2:36:47
  Iboga we're trying with ibogaine like I think that is the most
• 2:36:50
  potent DMT psychedelic out there and it works for opioid
• 2:36:53
  addiction and traumatic brain injury and I think it will have
• 2:36:57
  the most immediate effect on society to help addiction.
• 2:37:02
  Are they downsized? Not that I've no, I mean unless
• 2:37:07
  it's like it's a bad trip and they go through psychosis, but I
• 2:37:12
  think if everything is downside of ibogaine is it could have
• 2:37:16
  caused QT prolongations, but that's why they figured out it's
• 2:37:21
  an EKG. When it's you beep, beep, beep,
• 2:37:24
  beep your heartbeat. So the QT is when it's between
• 2:37:28
  beats it there's a resting period.
• 2:37:31
  Yeah, it's. A It's a little longer that
• 2:37:33
  could get. Prolonged, interesting.
• 2:37:35
  And if a person has like heart condition before before and
• 2:37:38
  their murmurs, it might not restart, right?
• 2:37:41
  So first of all, that happens like 1 personally the person, if
• 2:37:44
  you pre screen the person to see if they have any pre-existing
• 2:37:47
  heart conditions, if they don't, that never happens.
• 2:37:50
  Even if they do, you could shock them.
• 2:37:53
  Even if they do, that would still never happen.
• 2:37:55
  Maybe one in 10,000 people, right?
• 2:37:58
  Even one of those 10,000 people, you can immediately shock them
• 2:38:01
  and restart the the heart, right?
• 2:38:05
  So it's just this, these were learned over the past like 30
• 2:38:07
  years of researching ibogaine. Also, if they have a magnesium
• 2:38:10
  drip, the magnesium allows like it, it, it doesn't it, it
• 2:38:15
  protects the heart somehow. It also keeps the person
• 2:38:19
  hydrated. So there's, there's a lot of
• 2:38:21
  safety protocols that can be that are put in place to to make
• 2:38:25
  sure there's no, there's, there don't have to be any side
• 2:38:27
  effects, right? And I would just say a bad trip,
• 2:38:29
  but even a bad trip, if you have a good professional who's there
• 2:38:32
  to help integration, you're, you're good like you're good.
• 2:38:35
  So they really so. They've covered all the bases,
• 2:38:38
  yeah, I think. So and that's what they're
• 2:38:40
  still. So how do you so?
• 2:38:40
  How so? So we need the FDA.
• 2:38:44
  To want to look at it. The FDA has never wanted to even
• 2:38:47
  look at it. Now they're going to want to
• 2:38:48
  look at it. RFK has spoken about it, right?
• 2:38:50
  So I think they're going to look at it and I think they'll
• 2:38:55
  approve it. And I think ayahuasca is good.
• 2:38:57
  Go to a place that has a religious exemption.
• 2:38:59
  If you have some deep trauma, like or even not deep trauma,
• 2:39:02
  complex trauma, which is like needling throughout your life.
• 2:39:06
  It's not like one major event and it's just like you were put
• 2:39:09
  down throughout your whole life. Sure, sure, sure.
• 2:39:11
  It could cause complex trauma. I think.
• 2:39:15
  Ayahuasca could really open a person up and I think it's just
• 2:39:17
  like it's it's going to connect people with themselves again,
• 2:39:21
  with their own identities and with each other.
• 2:39:23
  And I think that's what brings Mushiya.
• 2:39:26
  I hope so. I hope you're right.
• 2:39:28
  Maybe we'll do another podcast. Maybe I feel like we didn't even
• 2:39:31
  like, I feel like we didn't even scratch the surface, but I feel
• 2:39:33
  like it's so much fun and, and time just slips by before you
• 2:39:36
  know it. But thank you so much for this
• 2:39:38
  time and thanks for doing this. I, I, you know, we talked to
• 2:39:41
  just a random introduction from a friend of mine that bumped a
• 2:39:44
  cigarette off you and, and then he called me up.
• 2:39:47
  He goes, I bet it's really cool to do that.
• 2:39:49
  You know, I think I think you'd be a lot of fun in your podcast.
• 2:39:51
  So I'm really excited about this and I think it's a lot of fun.
• 2:39:54
  I'd love to do this again. And I really appreciate your
• 2:39:58
  time. I really appreciate everything
• 2:39:59
  you're doing and this whole story.
• 2:40:00
  And I think that. Today's awesome.
• 2:40:03
  I think that I think that the more I think the more people
• 2:40:06
  hear stories and the more people understand that, like everyone
• 2:40:09
  understand that life is hard for everyone.
• 2:40:12
  It gives everyone strength to kind of keep on pushing through
• 2:40:15
  and like, you know, and like you understand, you're like, hey,
• 2:40:18
  I'm not alone. And like, I don't have to like,
• 2:40:20
  like, just hearing other people have gone through it themselves,
• 2:40:24
  you know, just such an enormous benefit that, you know, it could
• 2:40:29
  just be such a net positive. Life is hard for everybody, but
• 2:40:33
  the hardness makes the good times even better.
• 2:40:36
  Yeah. Like you don't really appreciate
• 2:40:37
  a vacation if you don't work really hard.
• 2:40:39
  Yeah. Before the vacation, sure.
• 2:40:41
  If you're just chilling all year, the vacation is
• 2:40:43
  meaningless. Yeah.
• 2:40:45
  So yeah, I appreciate the. Time.
• 2:40:47
  Thank you so much. All right, we'll call you here.
• 2:40:49
  Thank you so much. Have a good night.