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Chuck in the Morning 7-30 Hour 4: Seahawks passing game, OPQ with Hugh and One Last Thing · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: All right, man, it's been a heck of a week
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Speaker 1: here with our QB one, Hugh Mellman, talking some Seahawks
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Speaker 1: football as we get the football season underway. And we
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Speaker 1: got one big fat segment left this week with you
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Speaker 1: and to me, I want to play to your quarterback love.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the passing game with you
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Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold and Brian Floury and how it might
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Speaker 1: look differently. Look, I mean, we're sitting here wondering how
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Speaker 1: this running back group's gonna come together. Maybe it won't
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Speaker 1: be as effective, or maybe they will marry themselves to
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Speaker 1: it and wait and be patient and see if it does.
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Speaker 1: The takes the exact same trend clicks at the exact
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Speaker 1: same right time of the season. I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: is there a chance in your estimation that maybe this
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Speaker 1: team throws the football a little bit more or will
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Speaker 1: they not mess with the formula that they used a
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Speaker 1: year ago under Koubia.
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Speaker 3: I think that they'll come into the season wanting to
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Speaker 3: run at the level that they ran the last six weeks,
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Speaker 3: which was a market uptick. We've talked about the numbers
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Speaker 3: from the the prior weeks. The passing game had a
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Speaker 3: similar dip. Sam Darnold ended up the season second in
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Speaker 3: the NFL in yards per attempt to Drake May. Now
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Speaker 3: he was first in the NFL donald in yards per dropback,
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Speaker 3: which includes sacks and also scrambles. But through the first
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Speaker 3: through week twelve, Donald averaged ten yards per attempt nine
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Speaker 3: point nine to be specific, and then that fell to
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Speaker 3: six point nine. To put that into perspective in terms
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Speaker 3: of where that would rank in the league, you've got,
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Speaker 3: As I said, Drake May was number one for the
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Speaker 3: season at eight point nine. Donald had been nine point nine.
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Speaker 2: Through week twelve.
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Speaker 3: Wow, drops to six point nine. Six point nine puts
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Speaker 3: you at a tie for twentieth, but also at a
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Speaker 3: tie for twenty second because there's three guys there. So
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Speaker 3: you get the idea of how how the pass offense dropped.
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Speaker 3: The run offense increased as they made their Super Bowl
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Speaker 3: run in the late regular season and through the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: So for me, to answer the question about Brian Florey.
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Speaker 3: I know it's it's a pressing question. It's a pressing
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Speaker 3: question in my own mind, but I put the brakes
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Speaker 3: on it because I think that the only sensible answer
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Speaker 3: Chuck is that we don't know, because not only is
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Speaker 3: he knew, but most importantly he's a never time play caller,
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Speaker 3: and so we don't know his stop. Now we can
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Speaker 3: we can say that with the forty nine ers, they
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Speaker 3: played a lot of twenty one personnel. That's two backs,
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Speaker 3: one tight end with Kittle and then two receivers. They
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Speaker 3: but they have Kyle Yueschef, who's arguably that I don't
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Speaker 3: know fullbacks make the Hall of Fame anymore. Darryl Johnson's
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Speaker 3: not in the Hall of Fame, but but he was
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Speaker 3: the best fullback of his era. But Kyle yu Chef
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Speaker 3: is the best fullback of his era. That's that's unquestionable.
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Speaker 3: And and so can Utes or Brady Henderson? Can can
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Speaker 3: he be a factor?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Brady Russell, Brady Russell, Brady Henderson's I'm going to be
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Speaker 3: writing about writing Russell right right? I knew I always said, Brady,
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Speaker 3: that didn't sound right. Brady Russell number thirty eight. So
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Speaker 3: I want to see the personnel group beings we want
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Speaker 3: to see from last year, the Seaharks were number one
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Speaker 3: in twelve personnel. That they were the most efficient pass
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Speaker 3: offense in twelve personnel. That's that's with one running back,
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Speaker 3: two tight ends. They were the most efficient in play action.
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Speaker 3: So those are things that Brian Florey undoubtedly would want
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Speaker 3: to do, coming from the forty nine ers and being
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Speaker 3: you know, underneath Mike McDonald. But we don't know the
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Speaker 3: nuances of how that plays out with the personnel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just wondering. I guess my question is not
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Speaker 1: to interrupt you, but like, if your personnel just is
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Speaker 1: better in the passing game than it.
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Speaker 2: Is the running game.
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Speaker 1: I mean maybe organizationally you have the philosophy that you
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Speaker 1: want to run this much. Ideally you want to run
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Speaker 1: this much and that won't change this year. But if
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Speaker 1: you are staring at you know, we don't know what
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Speaker 1: Jadarian Price is going to be, uh, and you don't
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Speaker 1: have Zach Sharboney for a little while. You're down basically
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Speaker 1: two running backs to start this season. And if your
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Speaker 1: personnel is just better suited to throw the football. Are
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Speaker 1: you gonna throw the football more? Do you think this year?
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Speaker 2: Uh?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it could evolve to that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think that initially they're not going to just say, well,
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Speaker 3: we don't have Kenneth Walker, we can't run the ball.
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Speaker 3: I think that they're going to want to have the
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Speaker 3: type of of balance that they had last year. So uh,
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Speaker 3: and then and then the number two receiver. That's one
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Speaker 3: of my concerns for this football team. Obviously, JSN, you
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Speaker 3: feel that that's that's that's a box check. With the
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Speaker 3: thickest l Marco you can you can put an X in,
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Speaker 3: but then the number you know, we can talk about
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Speaker 3: the depth.
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Speaker 1: And saying, Okay, well I think the depth feels about
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like they have great great depth.
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Speaker 3: I think they have sufficient depth at receiver. But I
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Speaker 3: think that the number.
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Speaker 1: Two receiver feels like it's very unproven to me. Could
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Speaker 1: it be Barner? I could be Barner technically, but I mean.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Chiefs were winning Super Bowls with
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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey as either their number one of their number two.
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Speaker 3: That's that's a that's a valid framework for the offense.
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Speaker 3: Uh that certainly it could in part because, as I said,
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't feel like there's been a number
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Speaker 3: two that's been as established.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and that's it's funny because here we're at
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Speaker 1: that type of the season, time of the season where
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Speaker 1: you're like, well, Tory Horton's obviously going to play a
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Speaker 1: bigger role, and well, Rashija e he's seventeen million you,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to throw him the ball more.
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Speaker 1: And Barner's supposed to take a big step forward in
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Speaker 1: Arroyo's second year, He's gonna take a big step forward
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Speaker 1: this year. And well Jsm's established, he's a hundred catch
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Speaker 1: guy every single season. And yet we're not gonna throw
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Speaker 1: the football more. I mean, how's this going to play?
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Speaker 1: Cooper Cups still around making a pretty good salary as well,
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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm curious. I mean, obviously not everybody's catches
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Speaker 1: and targets are going to increase this year. There's still
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Speaker 1: only one football. How Sam Darnold going to distribute this thing?
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Speaker 1: As you said, do we have a clear cut number
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Speaker 1: two wide receiver? Do we have a clear cut number
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Speaker 1: two target? Maybe it is going to be a tight end.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we're gonna do twelve more twelve personnel a lot
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Speaker 1: more this year with Barner and Arroyo. Who sits on
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Speaker 1: the bench, what wide receivers out at that at that moment,
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Speaker 1: fullback is gonna be used more? Jadarian Price is gonna
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Speaker 1: catch balls out of the back that we're working on
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Speaker 1: it every day, How on earth is it all gonna
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Speaker 1: walk out? Well?
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Speaker 3: And yeah, and the twenty one personnel, so Brian Fleury
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Speaker 3: comes over from the forty nine ers. I mentioned twenty
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Speaker 3: one personnel that you could call that regular personnel. That's
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Speaker 3: that again, two running backs, one tight end, and so
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Speaker 3: you got a fullback in the game. The average for
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Speaker 3: the NFL for the entire season, actually it's the media
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Speaker 3: and is fifteen attempts. That's not a twenty one league.
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Speaker 3: Number one in the NFL was the forty nine Ers.
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Speaker 3: Rock Purty had one hundred and one attempts. Well, there's
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Speaker 3: only three four guys over fifty attempts, and Sam Darnold
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Speaker 3: had forty five, and so he was fifth. And again
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Speaker 3: brock Purdy was one on one. The next was eighty eight.
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Speaker 3: So so that twenty one personnel that Floory brings over,
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Speaker 3: it's generally a running formation. You're gonna get heavier set,
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Speaker 3: you're more likely to get a safety down and get
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Speaker 3: single safety coverage. So you get in twenty one person personnel.
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Speaker 3: And then even if you get in the I formation,
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Speaker 3: because because twenty one personnel with two backs in the backfield,
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Speaker 3: you could be in split backs. And then if we
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Speaker 3: draw the passing tree from split backs, Joe Montana made
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Speaker 3: his entire you know, three quarters of his career in
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Speaker 3: split backs. Well, the route tree from split backs where
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Speaker 3: where neither running back is behind the quarterback. You can
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Speaker 3: run angle routes, option routes, you can run corner routes.
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Speaker 3: JSN caught a corner route for a touchdown in the
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Speaker 3: end of the second quarter of the the NFC Championship game.
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Speaker 3: From the backfield, you can run air routes to the
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Speaker 3: flat wheel routes. To the route tree when you run
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Speaker 3: split backs is very robust. You put a running back
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Speaker 3: behind and you get in the eye formation. The fullback
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Speaker 3: is going to be late, late, late in the play,
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Speaker 3: just a checkdown. The only thing fast you get out
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Speaker 3: of the tailback who's eight yards deep is a swing route.
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Speaker 3: So the route tree throwing to the backs is literally
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Speaker 3: less than a fifth of what you have from split backs.
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Speaker 3: So we can talk about personnel, but you also have
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Speaker 3: to say the formations that you run from the personnel.
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Speaker 3: And so twenty one, how restricted are they? You get
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Speaker 3: an eyefirmation, You're damn sure, you're you got a lot
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Speaker 3: higher likelihood that you're gonna get single safety. So you
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Speaker 3: go play action on first down, fake it, fake some
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Speaker 3: type of lead drawer or whatever. You're faking the lead,
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Speaker 3: and then now you try and hit a comeback outside
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Speaker 3: and and uh and.
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Speaker 2: Get a big play. So that it's not that you can't.
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Speaker 3: Throw out of a constricted personnel and formation group, it's
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Speaker 3: just how and when and and those are the type
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Speaker 3: of things that Flory has done with greater regularity, I said.
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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold was fifth, the forty nine ers were first,
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Speaker 3: but but Sextra Steel in the top five in that
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Speaker 3: a year ago. So that's that's part of their their
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Speaker 3: makeup what they want to do philosophically. The league is
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Speaker 3: an eleven personnel league, all but the Ravens, All but
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Speaker 3: the Ravens. That's the number one personnel, one running back,
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Speaker 3: one tight end, three receivers. So as you're talking about
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Speaker 3: Barner always being on the field and and I think.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have a lot fewer two receiver sets
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Speaker 1: this year than what we did a year ago. That's
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Speaker 1: a prediction.
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Speaker 2: You think there's gonna be more three receivers.
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Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be well, were twelve and more
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Speaker 1: twenty one this year than what we saw a year ago.
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Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of the way the offense
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Speaker 1: will change under Flurry. I but but then again, why
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Speaker 1: did you spend so much money on Shiheed? Then why
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Speaker 1: did you spend a second round pick on Elijah Royal?
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Speaker 1: I think that that, uh, well, that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I think they want to use double tight ends a
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Speaker 1: lot more this year, twelve personnel, and I think they're
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Speaker 1: going to use oots a lot more this year. So
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have the two back system. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: were already very efficient. They're gonna have two tight ends.
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Speaker 1: I think that. I think they're you're gonna I mean,
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Speaker 1: they're certainly gonna have three receiver sets, four receiver sets.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have five receiver sets. But I think we're
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Speaker 1: going to see them with two wide receiver sets a
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Speaker 1: lot more frequency this year than what we do.
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Speaker 3: Arroyo there's got to be a lot of meat on
13:45
Speaker 3: that bone because because uh and and by the way,
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Speaker 3: I remember late season saying, you know, say, okay, I'm
13:52
Speaker 3: gonna go on the radio. I got this hypothesis and
13:55
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna hammer this point. And the hypothesis was
13:59
Speaker 3: that that that all the other the Trey mcbrides the
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Speaker 3: laporte is that all the good young tight ends were
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Speaker 3: getting thrown to a lot more their their for their
14:09
Speaker 3: rookie year than a Royo. I'm coming on the radio.
14:13
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go damn it, these saks. What are they
14:15
Speaker 3: doing there? Was well, I look up all the all
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Speaker 3: those guys their rookie year. It was just like a Royal.
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Speaker 1: So my my entire portion of my radio segment was
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Speaker 1: blown to hell by that the evidence that I actually uncovered.
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Speaker 1: So it made me less uh disappointed in what was
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Speaker 1: happening with the Royal. But the big, the big leap
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Speaker 1: was from year one to year two with these young
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Speaker 1: guys hawkinsck hockin sock Hawkin sock hackey sack, sour hackey
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Speaker 1: sack like like I I think I look at the
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Speaker 1: top five young guys, and and there was a very
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Speaker 1: strong component of not much the rookie yar Other than
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Speaker 1: the Porte, he was the exception. But the other four
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Speaker 1: five guys that I was looking at the they didn't
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Speaker 1: have much their rookie year, and then they had big
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Speaker 1: jumps to their second year, to the you know, Pro
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Speaker 1: Bowl slash all pro status, you know, big money, the
15:10
Speaker 1: whole thing. But they were tight in one, like, he's
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Speaker 1: going to be tied in two. He's not gonna beat
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Speaker 1: out bar presumably. Presumably that's that's true, But they need
15:23
Speaker 1: to get more out of him, sure, or they wasted
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Speaker 1: a second round pick. Yeah, and I suspect that they will.
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Speaker 1: But like I said, they're just too too many clowns
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Speaker 1: for the car. So we have here a clown car.
15:39
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald just heard that and he goes, damn, these
15:42
Speaker 1: guys are.
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Speaker 2: The super Bowl champions. Now we're driving clown cards.
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Speaker 1: Well, I just like, like, but they are Super Bowl champions.
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Speaker 1: You want to ride in style, you want the offense.
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Speaker 3: There are eleven style with a handful of clowns.
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Speaker 1: I know, but there are eleven seats on the bus
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Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't want somebody laying across
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Speaker 1: the seat now, it's a clown busy, all right. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so many people you can put
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Speaker 1: on the field. There are only so many receivers you
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Speaker 1: can put on the field, and it just it just
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Speaker 1: feels like we that we naturally as football fans, and
16:18
Speaker 1: we talk individually about players. Well, Seed's getting seventeen millions,
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Speaker 1: so he's obviously gonna have a bigger role. And well,
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Speaker 1: Horton's coming off his rookie he's healthy now, he's obviously
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Speaker 1: gonna have a bigger role. And Arroyo is a second
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Speaker 1: round pick, He's obviously gonna have a bigger They can't
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Speaker 1: all have bigger roles. So I think it's gonna wash
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Speaker 1: out as I think we're I think we're gonna see
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Speaker 1: more double tight end and I think Arroyo is gonna
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Speaker 1: have a bigger role this year. I think Oots is
16:46
Speaker 1: gonna be featured a lot. And so who's that going
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Speaker 1: to cost. I think it's gonna cost Cup. I think
16:53
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Yeah, I think it's going I don't
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Speaker 1: think that we're gonna see the Horton breakthrough.
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Speaker 2: And I do believe.
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Speaker 1: Because they spent that much on Shaheed, that we are
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Speaker 1: going to see more of him this year, but he
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Speaker 1: better be effective otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got have my concerns.
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Speaker 3: I think that that what I see on the tape
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Speaker 3: about about his route technique. Where I like him on
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Speaker 3: speed cuts, I don't like him on square cuts or
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Speaker 3: acute routes. I think it takes him too long to
17:24
Speaker 3: drop his hips and change direction. I don't think there's
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Speaker 3: a burst coming out of it. I think I think
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Speaker 3: his shoulders open up, he telegraphs and puts a parachute
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Speaker 3: on some of I think there's a there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of things about his route technique that are sloppy, and
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Speaker 3: then his instincts about about where the windows are when
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Speaker 3: in and to what degree to idle in into his
17:46
Speaker 3: own I don't think he's a innately instinctive wide receiver.
17:51
Speaker 3: I think he's a beautiful athlete. He's one of the
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Speaker 3: prettiest sprinters I've ever seen, certainly on a football field.
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Speaker 3: I mean you could put a Martini glass on his
18:03
Speaker 3: helmet when he's running full speed. I mean it's just
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Speaker 3: I mean, the Good Lord just put that man on
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Speaker 3: the planet to run. But you know, if JSN is
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Speaker 3: is we'll say a baseline of one hundred, and I'm
18:18
Speaker 3: not saying hundreds of lid. You know, you could say
18:21
Speaker 3: that Jerry Rice was you know, one twenty or something,
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Speaker 3: but if JSN his instincts was were one hundred, And
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Speaker 3: then say on that scale, where are the instincts for
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Speaker 3: Rashid Shaheed? You know, it's not a hell of a
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Speaker 3: lot higher than sixty, you know, And and so then
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Speaker 3: it begs a question reasonably so in my opinion, you know,
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Speaker 3: is it just that Tiger's not gonna change his stripes?
18:48
Speaker 3: And is the track guy ever gonna acquire the real stats? Now,
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Speaker 3: he was on pace for a thousand yards just first,
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Speaker 3: I think the most he's ever had is I don't
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Speaker 3: know there's been over seven hundred or much over seven
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Speaker 3: hundred his career. I know he hasn't been over eight
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Speaker 3: hundred yards ever, But he was on a pace so
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Speaker 3: if you want to say that component plus the off
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Speaker 3: season memories required in November fourth, so there wasn't any
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Speaker 3: training camp or off season to really get the details
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Speaker 3: of the timing down. You know, we had Sam Darnold
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Speaker 3: on and he's saying, yeah, we've worked on it, and
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Speaker 3: you know, things are a lot of well, I don't
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Speaker 3: expect him to say anything other than that, right, but
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Speaker 3: it has to be proven on the field.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe we did just sign a seventeen
19:39
Speaker 1: million dollar phenomenal kick returner and deep threat. You know,
19:45
Speaker 1: got to keep people honest. But we shall see. All right,
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Speaker 1: we got humilling. So we only have two more segments
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Speaker 1: with Hugh. We do one last thing to close out
19:55
Speaker 1: the show. So I was going to have you do
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Speaker 1: OPQ with us is every Are you down with OPQ? Okay, yeah,
20:03
Speaker 1: that's or or uh, Dealer's choice. I can just turn
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Speaker 1: it over to you. So what do you think? What
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Speaker 1: do you think? What do you want to do?
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Speaker 2: What's OPQ?
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Speaker 1: Oh? You're down down with OPQ. I can be down
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Speaker 1: for OPQ. Other people's quarterbacks?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay.
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Speaker 1: It's the segment we do. Oh are people's quarterbacks?
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: And we could talk about other people's quarterbacks if you
20:28
Speaker 1: wanted to do OPQ, but uh, this is your I
20:31
Speaker 1: just realized, like this is your last segment. Maybe there's
20:33
Speaker 1: some juicy topic. We can do Dealer's Choice next OPQ
20:38
Speaker 1: O PQ.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well do I know you were never never done that?
20:41
Speaker 1: Ipe you're down with OPQ? Yeah? I know, you. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: R f M. Traffis were unraveling out here.
21:06
Speaker 1: Oh no, you joined, Uh you joined an operation that
21:09
Speaker 1: was already completely un unhitched. I think Rich was hoping
21:15
Speaker 1: you could seem it back together. No degree like stitch
21:19
Speaker 1: it a little travel.
21:22
Speaker 2: I think you guys are irredeemable.
21:24
Speaker 1: Not a chance, all right? Uh yes, Travis filling in
21:30
Speaker 1: for Ashley today. She had no hope of rescuing it either,
21:33
Speaker 1: poor girl. But yes, she and I have been doing OPQ.
21:38
Speaker 1: We've been down with OPQ for a while now. It's
21:41
Speaker 1: a it's about It's not we don't schedule it. It's
21:44
Speaker 1: just when there's some quarterback news compiling, we talk about
21:48
Speaker 1: other people's quarterbacks. We gossip.
21:51
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
21:51
Speaker 1: So we got our QB one. I I just wanted
21:54
Speaker 1: to do an O PQ segment with you. So I
21:57
Speaker 1: want to start with somebody that you used to evaluate
22:01
Speaker 1: on a game in game out basis when he was
22:04
Speaker 1: a collegiate and now Michael Pennix Junior is still not
22:09
Speaker 1: healthy with the Atlanta Falcons, he might not be the
22:13
Speaker 1: starter since they brought in Tua who's also again not
22:17
Speaker 1: healthy at camp with the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, they've
22:21
Speaker 1: got their third string quarterback doing first team reps right
22:26
Speaker 1: now in Atlanta. One, what do you think is gonna
22:31
Speaker 1: happen in that quarterback situation there in Atlanta? And then two,
22:36
Speaker 1: which is most important to our listeners, is Michael Pennick's
22:39
Speaker 1: ever gonna be able to do this? Is he ever
22:40
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, we were all pretty high on him
22:43
Speaker 1: as a prospect during the draft process, but he's not
22:48
Speaker 1: exactly taken the league by storm to this.
22:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, last year he had nine touchdowns, three interceptions, sixty percent,
22:56
Speaker 3: which nowadays is kind of middle of the pack at
22:59
Speaker 3: best passer ratings eighty eight point five. So I think
23:03
Speaker 3: that that, you know, he's sufficient to statistically. Uh, there's
23:08
Speaker 3: obviously a big concern about the acls, and he had
23:12
Speaker 3: the multiple acls in college.
23:14
Speaker 2: He had another one. He has a relatively.
23:17
Speaker 3: Thin frame, you know, standing next to him talking to him,
23:22
Speaker 3: you know, they they six he's six', three seems maybe
23:25
Speaker 3: a tad under, that but but kind of. Thin he
23:28
Speaker 3: were knee, braces so he didn't look as thin or
23:32
Speaker 3: as he actually is when he's on the. Field but to,
23:35
Speaker 3: me he looks relatively slight BY nfl quarterback. STANDARDS i
23:39
Speaker 3: think he's got a better arm Than tua in terms
23:42
Speaker 3: of of there's more life in his. ARM i think
23:47
Speaker 3: they're probably similar. ATHLETES i, think you, know decent. Athletes
23:53
Speaker 3: neither of them are are top shelf. Athletes Where tua
23:57
Speaker 3: has the advantage would be experience obviously in THE. Nfl
24:03
Speaker 3: But tua at his best members just a couple of years,
24:07
Speaker 3: ago he led THE nfl in most YARDS uh in
24:10
Speaker 3: a season that that's when he Had Tyreek hill and
24:13
Speaker 3: all those you, know roadrunners. Running Jalen Walllet wadley had
24:16
Speaker 3: a really a very POTENT uh array of of. Targets
24:22
Speaker 3: but Where tua is added near the best in the
24:25
Speaker 3: league along With Brock, purdy is. Anticipation he will the
24:31
Speaker 3: nature of how he throws h you, know he will
24:35
Speaker 3: he you, know particularly in breaking routes and what Have
24:39
Speaker 3: he just gets rid of the ball really, fast and
24:42
Speaker 3: he anticipates guys coming out of the break and and
24:45
Speaker 3: that's kind of his superpower if he has. One IT'S
24:47
Speaker 3: i can't really Say tua has any, superpowers but but
24:51
Speaker 3: that that when he's playing his best is his best
24:54
Speaker 3: attribute in my. Opinion so and.
24:56
Speaker 1: Health is there both their. Kryptonites.
24:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you got To tua with all the concussions
25:02
Speaker 3: and what have. You and he's got to watch what
25:04
Speaker 3: he does when he, scrambles and and, uh you, KNOW
25:08
Speaker 3: i think that they're Just atlanta's just hedging, themselves you,
25:12
Speaker 3: know you know. It probably they're not just looking at ONE.
25:15
Speaker 3: Acl they're looking at the, career THE acls At indiana
25:21
Speaker 3: and how those are, mounting and they're, saying, hey is
25:24
Speaker 3: this guy really?
25:25
Speaker 2: Reliable you? Know is his.
25:28
Speaker 3: Composition just not befitting AN nfl quarterback being? Durable SO
25:35
Speaker 3: i understand from their perspective How tua has diminished and
25:41
Speaker 3: and just kind of fallen off and become a non.
25:44
Speaker 3: Playmaker IS i haven't studied it in, earnest but it
25:49
Speaker 3: is one of the perplexing things for me because it
25:52
Speaker 3: seemed like he was on the. Road you, know maybe
25:55
Speaker 3: The Miami dolphins were premature in the contract they gave
25:58
Speaker 3: him coming off of that best. Year but but the
26:04
Speaker 3: way he is spiraled, DOWN i don't. Know they probably
26:08
Speaker 3: feel like there's big question marks for both their.
26:11
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks let's talk about The raiders. Situation Kirk cousins has
26:15
Speaker 1: already been named THE qb one By Clint kubiak and
26:18
Speaker 1: his first head coaching job there with The raiders and
26:22
Speaker 1: not the number one overall pick in the. Draft Fernando,
26:25
Speaker 1: mendoza how long do you think he keeps that?
26:27
Speaker 3: Job, WELL i, Think Kirk, cousins if you were to ask,
26:31
Speaker 3: me what's got kind of Like Jeopardy, Like i'll turn
26:38
Speaker 3: into A jeopardy. Question all, right he get and NOW
26:46
Speaker 3: i understand this is not a, fact this is this is.
26:48
Speaker 3: Subject but just work with, Me.
26:50
Speaker 1: Okay he has got more productivity out of limited physical
26:58
Speaker 1: traits than any quarterback of the last twenty. Years that's a, Compliment.
27:04
Speaker 1: Kirk who Is Kirk? Cousins? Right you? Know his he
27:09
Speaker 1: he's pushing six to, three.
27:12
Speaker 2: But he's he's well under two hundred.
27:14
Speaker 3: Pounds then he doesn't move, well doesn't have a big,
27:18
Speaker 3: arm but he is just kind OF i don't, know willed.
27:21
Speaker 2: His way or all the other attributes he is he has.
27:26
Speaker 3: Played with compensating, factors his understanding how to read, defenses,
27:31
Speaker 3: uh you, know knowing where to go with the, football
27:35
Speaker 3: playing accurate in a manner that has allowed him to
27:39
Speaker 3: be a very good quarterback in some of those years
27:44
Speaker 3: with very limited skill. Set and and SO i think
27:49
Speaker 3: that For Clint, kubiak the experience that he, has you,
27:56
Speaker 3: know it seems natural to me that you start with
27:59
Speaker 3: a like, that unless Unless mendoza had just come in
28:03
Speaker 3: and he's just so on fire in, practice it makes
28:07
Speaker 3: a little sense That, cousins WHO i think is just
28:09
Speaker 3: perpetually underrated for the Reasons i'm describing That cousins would
28:14
Speaker 3: be the starter until you you, know what's face, it
28:18
Speaker 3: they're probably going to be two and four or something
28:21
Speaker 3: thereabouts about you, know a third of the way through the,
28:24
Speaker 3: season and then you can find the opportune time to
28:27
Speaker 3: get the rookie. In but to have the veteran come
28:31
Speaker 3: in week one not terribly. Surprising, YEAH i, MEAN i
28:36
Speaker 3: kind of like the whole, YEAR i really.
28:38
Speaker 1: DO i, mean there are a lot of guys that
28:41
Speaker 1: sat for a year and benefited from. That in the national,
28:44
Speaker 1: HOLIDAY i, don't, yeah. Exactly Aaron. RODGERS i don't think
28:47
Speaker 1: you have to be in a rush to Get Fernando,
28:51
Speaker 1: mendoz even though the fans can't wait to see. Him
28:53
Speaker 1: i'm sure In vegas And i'm sure football fans everywhere
28:55
Speaker 1: want to see the number one overall picking The Heisman
28:58
Speaker 1: trophy win and everything. Else i'd be surprised if we
29:00
Speaker 1: don't see. Him, yeah, EXPECT i expect to see. Him,
29:03
Speaker 1: well you've got. Him AND i really like. HIM i
29:08
Speaker 1: really like him as A. UH i think he's a
29:13
Speaker 1: very good, athlete not, great BUT i think He's he's
29:17
Speaker 1: got great, accuracy AND i think there's enough life in his.
29:22
Speaker 3: Arm you, know there's a lot of pace on. It
29:24
Speaker 3: on the, ball he's got great. SIZE i love his
29:27
Speaker 3: trajectory on on go, routes you, know gets it up
29:31
Speaker 3: and down in a. Hurry and and so you know
29:34
Speaker 3: his his ability to throw throw those back shoulder. FADES
29:38
Speaker 3: i Mean Eli, Manning.
29:40
Speaker 1: Uh he ran he he completed those passes all the
29:44
Speaker 1: way To Super Bowl. Championships. Uh he was so good
29:47
Speaker 1: on those back shoulder. Fades so, YEAH I i.
29:52
Speaker 3: Am i'm a fan Of mendoza and and he's got
29:55
Speaker 3: a quirky. PERSONALITY i THINK i think it fits well
29:58
Speaker 3: With Kirk. Cousins there's SOME simi SO i think that
30:01
Speaker 3: they picked the right mentor personality wise in that. Room so,
30:09
Speaker 3: YEAH i like where they're. Going i'm rooting for one.
30:12
Speaker 1: More, uh since we're talking about other people's. Quarterbacks look
30:16
Speaker 1: at you AND i just gossiping about other people's, quarterbacks
30:19
Speaker 1: just hutting it. Up Baker. MAYFIELD i, mean he And
30:24
Speaker 1: Sam donald.
30:24
Speaker 2: Arrible without their. Makeup i've seen.
30:27
Speaker 1: It, Uh Baker baker may gossip about other.
30:34
Speaker 2: Chicks, yeah but the number one gossip.
30:37
Speaker 1: Probably he And Sam donald once were both with The Carolina.
30:43
Speaker 1: PANTHERS i think that people have Given baker a little bit.
30:48
Speaker 1: More even though everybody was down On baker as much
30:51
Speaker 1: as down as they were On sam a few years,
30:53
Speaker 1: ago they were just as down On Baker mayfield.
30:55
Speaker 2: A few years.
30:56
Speaker 1: Ago mayfield resurrected his career a little, WICKER i suppose
31:02
Speaker 1: than What sam, did based on the opportunities he was.
31:05
Speaker 1: Given but Obviously sam's passed him now in terms of,
31:09
Speaker 1: achievements having won A Super. Bowl SO i, guess long
31:12
Speaker 1: way of, asking he's in a contract negotiation right. Now
31:16
Speaker 1: Apparently Tampa bay is not wanting to give him what
31:18
Speaker 1: he thinks he's. Worth. Uh do you Think Baker mayfield
31:23
Speaker 1: is the type of quarterback that could pull A Sam
31:25
Speaker 1: darnold with with this? Team, yeah the.
31:31
Speaker 3: Quarterback, yeah they're totally different. Personalities now they Lose Mike.
31:36
Speaker 3: EVANS i think A Mecca bucas is really a. Star
31:41
Speaker 3: SO i think he's got targets and and uh uh
31:46
Speaker 3: So i'm just considering the. Factors but but, YEAH I i.
31:50
Speaker 3: DO i think there's a fire and a feistiness to.
31:53
Speaker 3: Him there's a match ration that he's had and uh
31:57
Speaker 3: remember calling for What it's Worth Colin. Coward, Uh and
32:01
Speaker 3: he used to have this feud and Calling coward would
32:04
Speaker 3: be just like he's so. IMMATURE i want my quarterbacks to,
32:09
Speaker 3: be you, know like like a business. LIKE i want
32:15
Speaker 3: him to be A, ceo buttoned. Up, yeah the type of.
32:18
Speaker 3: Thing and that's kind of calling cowards. Things so he
32:21
Speaker 3: was Killing Baker mayfield and Then coward had, To, hey
32:24
Speaker 3: the guy is. Matured he's really. Matured and uh and
32:30
Speaker 3: and we saw him In. Luman other Than Matthew, stafford
32:35
Speaker 3: the best performance we saw by a quarterback Against sea
32:38
Speaker 3: ok defense was By Baker. Mayfield he fell OFF i
32:41
Speaker 3: think five six weeks into the. Season, yeah he would
32:44
Speaker 3: have THE. Mvp, yeah, yeah, yeah lost a lot of his.
32:49
Speaker 3: RECEIVERS i think he got. Hurt he had some shoulder
32:53
Speaker 3: issues in, there so uh, YEAH i, think you, know
32:57
Speaker 3: given the scarcity of good, QUARTERBACKS i Think tampa be
33:02
Speaker 3: would be well. Served they haven't drafted their quarterback in the,
33:04
Speaker 3: future SO i think they're in a little bit of a.
33:07
Speaker 3: BUND i think they're gonna have to Pay. Mayfield But
33:10
Speaker 3: mayfield in the past has bet on. Himself he wants
33:13
Speaker 3: to bet on himself. Again and and now we've had you,
33:17
Speaker 3: KNOW i Respect Mike florio a. Lot he comes on
33:19
Speaker 3: with softy and and two weeks in a row he's
33:22
Speaker 3: drumming up. This, well If Sam donald doesn't play, well
33:25
Speaker 3: Maybe Baker mayfield is a bit available for The.
33:28
Speaker 2: Seahawks And i'm, like what are we talking? About Sam?
33:31
Speaker 3: Donald?
33:31
Speaker 1: Not why would why would we.
33:35
Speaker 3: Be having that discussion? Now but in any, Event, YEAH
33:41
Speaker 3: i Like.
33:42
Speaker 1: MAYFIELD i think it's been a good story in the
33:45
Speaker 1: league that because he has in fact. Matured he's a
33:49
Speaker 1: good Quarter he's a good. Quarterback AND i don't know
33:51
Speaker 1: if he's ever gonna be. Great but he's a good
33:53
Speaker 1: quarter and he's a feisty. COMPETITOR i think he's entertaining to.
33:57
Speaker 1: WATCH i think he's got a relatively nasty throaten, Motions
34:00
Speaker 1: SO i don't really like the aesthetics of of how he.
34:03
Speaker 2: Plays he kind of looks choppy to, me BUT i
34:06
Speaker 2: love his.
34:06
Speaker 1: Competitiveness All, right one last thing With hugh Next Sports
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Speaker 1: one last thing to close out This thursday edition of the.
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Speaker 1: Program training camp coverage right here from The Virginia Mason
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Speaker 1: indeed is that going to be your one last? Thing
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Speaker 1: THAT i just take your one Last that was.
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Speaker 3: More off, off you, know in between segment deep, okay, Shatter,
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Speaker 3: yeah but, yeah that was not that was not radio.
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Speaker 1: Worthy, well, YEAH i think THE i think the listeners
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Speaker 1: Talk, WELL i didn't get into the. CONVERSE i just
35:14
Speaker 1: believe That Ben franklin wanted to know now you're DOING
35:18
Speaker 1: i just mentioned, okay all, right, Yeah Glenn fry And Don,
35:26
Speaker 1: henley are you all? Right what do you Got If
35:30
Speaker 1: glenn fryes, here we've got a. STORY cnn is going
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Speaker 1: to be out here any, minute uh THAT i want to.
35:37
Speaker 1: See what's your one last thing for our week here? Together, Oh,
35:44
Speaker 1: MERCY i did not prepare for. This i'm, WELL i
35:47
Speaker 1: Guess i'm looking forward to seeing the running game, today
35:50
Speaker 1: looking at the players and, pads which is used to
35:52
Speaker 1: be a common the great one last, thing but it's
35:56
Speaker 1: a it's an, abnormality it's a typical. Practice today they're
36:02
Speaker 1: in full pads AND i want to see where Uh Gendarian,
36:08
Speaker 1: price if there's something that they're gonna be in thud,
36:11
Speaker 1: tempo meaning they're not going to tackle to the. Ground,
36:14
Speaker 1: yeah but you're going to see more than we have, been,
36:18
Speaker 1: something a more realistic picture of uh you, know just
36:22
Speaker 1: how he sees the, field what kind of burst he,
36:24
Speaker 1: has what have. You I'm i'm concerned about the running back. Position,
36:28
Speaker 1: YEAH i get, IT i get, it all. Right i'm
36:31
Speaker 1: just gonna finish this And i'm just gonna Wrap travis
36:34
Speaker 1: into this BECAUSE i don't know if we've got time
36:36
Speaker 1: to go through the entire uh you know show. Here
36:40
Speaker 1: SO i have a musical one last thing for, you
36:43
Speaker 1: AND i trust both of your opinions about. MUSIC i
36:47
Speaker 1: think we both have really good ears for. It Uh
36:50
Speaker 1: and so here's the thing.
36:51
Speaker 2: To butter us.
36:52
Speaker 1: Up, well that's the. Question this is Why i'm asking
36:55
Speaker 1: the question, though BECAUSE i wouldn't care what anybody's opinion
36:59
Speaker 1: because music such a. Taste, yes but obviously you two
37:03
Speaker 1: was like huge in the eighties and then all of
37:07
Speaker 1: a sudden the generation after hours thought that they weren't.
37:11
Speaker 1: Cool and now all of a, Sudden Rolling stone took
37:16
Speaker 1: off of its top five hundred, albums like FOUR u
37:19
Speaker 1: two albums. Off they had six on the original, list
37:23
Speaker 1: and now there's only like. Two, WELL i have a record,
37:26
Speaker 1: Collection travis has a record, collection AND i the other
37:30
Speaker 1: day got to the store And i'm, like, Man i'm
37:31
Speaker 1: gonna Get Octung baby From you. Two, YEAH i can't
37:35
Speaker 1: stop playing. It is it just? Me or is that just?
37:39
Speaker 1: Fantastic that? Album and then we're it's like for twenty
37:43
Speaker 1: years YouTube's done nothing but ragged on it feels like
37:46
Speaker 1: and they're. Not it's not cool to say that they're
37:48
Speaker 1: great musicians. Anymore But i'm telling you that album is.
37:51
Speaker 1: Fantastic Got one And Mysterious. Ways, yeah, yeah, Yeah love
37:58
Speaker 1: is blind.
37:58
Speaker 3: Test i'm surprised that it's taking you this long to
38:03
Speaker 3: discover the same.
38:04
Speaker 1: Area, WELL i, MEAN i KNOW i know the, band
38:06
Speaker 1: BUT i not know just the, course you. Know, yeah
38:09
Speaker 1: that is a fantastic.
38:11
Speaker 3: Alm it is Fin, yeah and that was after The Joshua, tree.
38:15
Speaker 3: Right that would have been in the early. Nineties Tongue, Baby,
38:19
Speaker 3: yeah probably earlier than, that probably, Eighties uh, no early.
38:23
Speaker 3: Nineties Well joshua eighty seven is, okay, right SO i
38:27
Speaker 3: would have think then late eighties or early.
38:29
Speaker 2: Nineties, Travis, yeah.
38:30
Speaker 5: Good, Yeah i'm not a BIG u two.
38:34
Speaker 1: Fan the younger. Generation, YEAH i think like what actually
38:37
Speaker 1: feels the same. Way it's like she hates, them like
38:40
Speaker 1: people like a little bit younger than, us half a
38:43
Speaker 1: generation or generation younger than. Us they hate you, Too
38:48
Speaker 1: AND i don't get.
38:48
Speaker 5: It it's because they put them on the iPods that
38:51
Speaker 5: everyone had to, buy or the iPhones and you couldn't
38:54
Speaker 5: get it.
38:55
Speaker 2: Off do you remember?
38:56
Speaker 1: That?
38:56
Speaker 5: Really, yeah it was like built into the first iPhones
39:00
Speaker 5: and you couldn't get it.
39:01
Speaker 1: OFF i think that's built up a hatred.
39:07
Speaker 2: Something like.
39:08
Speaker 1: THAT i don't. Know and then, yeah now you you
39:11
Speaker 1: are having children and you're passing on to them that
39:14
Speaker 1: you two is not a good. Band and here are
39:16
Speaker 1: you AND i telling you that's. Nonsense, yeah that is
39:19
Speaker 1: a good. Band that is a great, album the great
39:21
Speaker 1: Album De Gustavus nannis dyspatando what that's? That all the
39:28
Speaker 1: the hoity toity Fancy latin guys said that in matters of,
39:33
Speaker 1: taste there is no, dispute which tells me that for
39:37
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred years or, more people have been sitting
39:39
Speaker 1: around arguing about what the best sketty, is and what
39:42
Speaker 1: the best bread, is and what the best wine, is
39:45
Speaker 1: and the best, painting the best. Statue, Right and SO
39:49
Speaker 1: i think you you touched on it. Earlier you, know
39:52
Speaker 1: if you love, it then love. It i'm gonna there
39:55
Speaker 1: is no disconsion about. Music, yeah get myself. Again music
39:59
Speaker 1: as as a construct is one of the great things about.
40:02
Speaker 2: Living, yeah is enjoying music and just find your.
40:06
Speaker 1: Groove, DUDE qb, one thank you so.
40:08
Speaker 2: Much this is.
40:09
Speaker 1: Great this always appreciate it you thank you for having. Me,
40:12
Speaker 1: yeah all, right we're gonna hand things over To Greg. Bell,
40:16
Speaker 1: travis thank you very, much appreciate you as, well And
40:20
Speaker 1: i'll talk to you tomorrow here from The Virginia Mason
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