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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Women Who Made His Crimes Possible (Part 3-4) (8/1/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: In to the political article from Tara Paul Mary and
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Speaker 1: dive in to the third episode. Here today we're going
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Speaker 1: to be talking about the assistance, or, as I've dubbed them,
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Speaker 1: the Core Four. Now, none of this would be possible
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Speaker 1: or would have been possible, I should say, without these
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Speaker 1: women working hand in hand with Gilean Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Sure,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein would have been able to chase his dark
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Speaker 1: proclivities and probably get away with it, but not on
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Speaker 1: a grand scale like we see here, not to the
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Speaker 1: level that we see in this case and in previous cases. Now,
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Speaker 1: the only reason these four women aren't in severe trouble,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion anyway, is because of that non prosecution agreement.
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Speaker 1: If it wasn't for that nonprofit prosecution agreement, all of
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Speaker 1: these women would have been charged in this original case
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Speaker 1: down in Florida. They're all named in court documents, and
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Speaker 1: obviously they were protected by this non prosecution agreement parties
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Speaker 1: named and parties not named. Remember, so these women, the
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Speaker 1: Core four, have been able to skirt under the radar
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Speaker 1: for the most part and not have to face the
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Speaker 1: consequences of being involved in a straight up criminal enterprise.
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Speaker 1: That wasn't just involved in human trafficking, but you had
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Speaker 1: a slew of other criminal activities that they were engaging
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Speaker 1: in on a regular basis. You can start with the
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Speaker 1: money laundering, you can start with the tax evasion, you
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Speaker 1: can jump into the witness tampering, all of it. And
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Speaker 1: yet somehow the core four, these assistants that we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about in a second here, and the other
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Speaker 1: people who are integral in this operation getting off the
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Speaker 1: ground and the operation running, still have not even been charged. Now,
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Speaker 1: could there be something going on behind the scenes. Could
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Speaker 1: there be plea deals being cut? Possibly? Could there be
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Speaker 1: sealed indictments We don't know about. Very possible. But as
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Speaker 1: it stands now, with what we know and what we
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Speaker 1: can point to that is concrete, well, none of these people,
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Speaker 1: the assistance here, the core four, have been charged, and
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Speaker 1: it's an absolute travesty that that has occurred. The Gelean
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Speaker 1: Maxwell's a good start. There's no doubt she definitely deserves
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Speaker 1: to be charged here. She definitely deserves to sit down
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Speaker 1: in front of a jury of her peers and explain
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Speaker 1: what's going on, because, let me tell you what, the
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Speaker 1: allegations against her are strong, and they are many, and
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Speaker 1: the same goes for the Core Four. So these women,
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Speaker 1: these lieutenants working underneath Gilay and Maxwell to advance Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein and Gley Maxwell's agenda, well they have to answer
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Speaker 1: for it. So I'm glad that Tara Paulmery really dug
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Speaker 1: into the weeds here and drops such a in depth article,
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Speaker 1: not one that just goes into one aspect of the case, right,
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Speaker 1: an article that deals with all the different tentacles, you know,
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Speaker 1: the main threads of the case. And it's about time
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Speaker 1: somebody did that, and it's about time the Core four
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Speaker 1: were put on blast once again. So today, for part
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Speaker 1: three of our ongoing political article, we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: the Core four and the Assistance again. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Tara Palmery and it was published by Politico.
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Speaker 1: The Assistance. One of the most astonishing things about Epstein's
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Speaker 1: empire was its scale. Hundreds of women and girls were
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Speaker 1: allegedly abused one hundred percent. One of the most insane
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Speaker 1: things about this whole operation was how big it was.
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Speaker 1: Now a lot of times you hear about this this
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Speaker 1: kind of thing, right, and it's happening in a bubble
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Speaker 1: almost to where the person someone like Jeffrey Epstein or
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Speaker 1: Keith Rainiery, where they can almost control things right, everything's
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Speaker 1: really guarded and the people are part of like almost
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Speaker 1: a cult. And while I think that was the case
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Speaker 1: here as far as the people engaging in this, meaning
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Speaker 1: Epstein in the Core four, they had like cult like behavior,
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Speaker 1: but it was different because they were bringing in random girls,
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Speaker 1: new girls all the time, and they were able to
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Speaker 1: get away with it because this intricate webb, this network
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Speaker 1: that they had set up, and none of that would
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Speaker 1: have been possible without people like Sarah Kellen Vickers or
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Speaker 1: Adriana Ross or Leslie Groff. None of this would have
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Speaker 1: been possible just with Maxwell riding around in a car.
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Speaker 1: Epstein survivors needed to be arranged, compensated, and instructed to
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Speaker 1: bring more survivors. A second tier of women employed as
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Speaker 1: assistants kept the wheels of the sex trafficking enterprise turning.
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Speaker 1: And it's very crucial that people understand this right. It's
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Speaker 1: not only the person who is sitting at the top
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Speaker 1: of the food chain, per se, the person in charge
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Speaker 1: of the operation. There are a bunch of moving pieces
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Speaker 1: that have to work together in coordination or an operation
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Speaker 1: like this cannot run. And that's where the Core four
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Speaker 1: came in, grooming, setting up travel arrangements, paying money out,
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Speaker 1: normalizing this sort of behavior, and in some cases, according
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Speaker 1: to some of the survivors, partaking in the abuse themselves.
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Speaker 1: None of these women has been charged with wrongdoing connected
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Speaker 1: to Epstein, but they have been named in legal documents
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Speaker 1: and by survivors. And that's the key, right, And that's
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Speaker 1: the path that I try to stay on here on
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Speaker 1: the podcast at the very least, and make sure that
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Speaker 1: the people we discuss are people that have been named
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Speaker 1: by the survivors or in these court documents. I think
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Speaker 1: it's important to stay on task here, right, stay on target,
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Speaker 1: because it's obvious we're over the bombing range. It's obvious
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Speaker 1: we're over the target. Just take a look at what's
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Speaker 1: come since twenty nineteen to where we are now, look
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Speaker 1: at what has happened, and look at the progress that
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Speaker 1: has been made as far as this case goes. Now
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Speaker 1: nowhere near enough, right, but at least it's moving forward
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Speaker 1: and not stuck in neutral or hell moving backwards like
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Speaker 1: it has several times in the past. Sarah Kellen Nadio,
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Speaker 1: Marson Kova, Leslie Groff, and Adriana Ross all were named
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Speaker 1: as unindicted co conspirators in Epstein's two thousand and eight
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Speaker 1: non prosecution agreement. And those four are who I have
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Speaker 1: dubbed the core four. If you're not hip to that yet,
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Speaker 1: if you're new to the podcast or maybe catching it
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Speaker 1: for the first time, the four lieutenants of Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marsenkova, Leslie Groff, and Adriana Ross were
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Speaker 1: the glue that held this all together, so to speak.
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Speaker 1: Without them, this could not have been done and performed
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Speaker 1: on such a grand scale, according to lawsuits filed by
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Speaker 1: Epstein's survivors, court testimony in police reports, Kellen, Groff, and
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Speaker 1: Ross were tasked with scheduling and managing the teenage girls
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Speaker 1: coming in and out of his homes, including collecting contact information,
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Speaker 1: taking messages, and arranging the girl's travel. Now, how in
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Speaker 1: the hell can that not be classified as conspiracy? You're
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Speaker 1: telling me that's not a criminal conspiracy. You have all
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Speaker 1: of these people working together in tandem, hand in hand,
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Speaker 1: one person setting up the travel, another person taking care
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Speaker 1: of paying the fazules out, another person setting up how
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Speaker 1: the massage is going to be and then at the
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Speaker 1: very top of it, scumbag himself, Jeffrey Epstein sitting there
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Speaker 1: with his disgusting, ass ugly face ready to finish it
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Speaker 1: all off. Is absolutely disgusting that these women a would
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Speaker 1: engage in this shit and b that they would be
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Speaker 1: protected under that non prosecution agreement. If anything has ever
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Speaker 1: been deserved to be lit on fire and burned and
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Speaker 1: scattered into the four corners of time, it's that stupid
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Speaker 1: ass non prosecution agreement. Oh, the Eleventh Circuit Court of
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Speaker 1: Appeals had their cats, but of course they shit the bed.
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Speaker 1: Of course they didn't pursue justice. So these women, the
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Speaker 1: Corps four, are left out there living the living their
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Speaker 1: best lives. Look at Sarah Kellen Vickers, married to a
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Speaker 1: NASCAR driver Leslie Groff, living it up, Adriana Ross Nadiam
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Speaker 1: marson Kova. Meanwhile, these girls have to scrape and claw
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Speaker 1: just to get recognition by this compensation fund that ran
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Speaker 1: out of money. By the way, it's an absolute joke.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know how the SDNY and the prosecutors
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Speaker 1: aren't all over this. Kellen, who is also gone by
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Speaker 1: the name Sarah Kensington. I mean, give me a break
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Speaker 1: with that name. I don't mean to digress, but really, Hi,
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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Kensington. I'm from Kensington Court. Would you like
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Speaker 1: to come over and have some t That's what she
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Speaker 1: was going for with that name, right, some kind of
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Speaker 1: like posh ass wanna be English name? Was she following
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Speaker 1: in the footsteps of her favorite, her her buddy, her boss,
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Speaker 1: Gilay and Maxwell? Is that what she was looking for?
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Speaker 1: Sarah Kensington, give me a break? Forty one was Epstein's
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Speaker 1: personal assistant. In lawsuits and survivor interviews, she has been
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Speaker 1: described as Maxwell's lieutenant or second in command. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly how she has been described, and that's the
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Speaker 1: role that she played, according to these survivors. But Sarah
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Speaker 1: Kellen Vickers, is she and she busted? Nah? She in jail. Nope,
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Speaker 1: she indicted as far as we know. No, she is not.
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Speaker 1: What she is is protected under that non prosecution agreement.
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Speaker 1: Though I wonder how many people are rotting away in
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Speaker 1: jail right now for much less offenses because they didn't
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Speaker 1: have a big homie Jeffrey Epstein to hook them up
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Speaker 1: with a non prosecution agreement. But Becky with the good hair,
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Speaker 1: Oh she gets hooked up right. Such a joke. It's
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Speaker 1: such a joke, and it's a scam. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know about you, folks, but I'm tired of it. I
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Speaker 1: am absolutely tired of the way the laws applied in
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Speaker 1: this country now. It's being you know, the way, it's
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Speaker 1: being used by certain actors to go after political opponents,
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Speaker 1: and that goes for both sides of the aisle. By
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Speaker 1: the way, it's an absolute travesty and a joke. If
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Speaker 1: they can do that to people with a lot of power,
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Speaker 1: do any of us really ever stand a chance these
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Speaker 1: agencies they're out of control with whatever game they're playing
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Speaker 1: right now, and they've certainly lost sight of the of
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Speaker 1: the target, and that target is to bring people to
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Speaker 1: justice who deserve it. There's not enough of that going
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Speaker 1: on these days. And this big black eye that's staring
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Speaker 1: everybody in the face, that's the Jeffrey Epstein case just
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Speaker 1: personifies that. Multiple survivors have said in court documents that
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Speaker 1: she was instrumental in their abuse, including escorting them up
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Speaker 1: to Epstein's room. When police began investigating Epstein's behavior in
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Speaker 1: Florida in the mid two thousands, they sought an arrest
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Speaker 1: warrant for Kellen, though the Palm Beach County State Attorney's
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Speaker 1: Office denied the request, citing insufficient evidence. Yeah, more like
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Speaker 1: our back room arm twisting by Dershowitzen company. We all
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Speaker 1: know that shit was a farce. We know that that
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Speaker 1: non prosecution agreement wouldn't have been served up to anybody
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Speaker 1: else but to Jeffrey Epstein, mister Rich Rich rich Eaton. Ah,
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Speaker 1: no problem, make sure we hook him up. He has
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Speaker 1: a lot of powerful friends. He has a picture of
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton on his wall. He's paling around with Donald Trump. Oh,
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Speaker 1: he knows Prince Andrew. Oh he's friends with Bill Gates. Oh,
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Speaker 1: Leon Black, they're fast friends. So of course this guy
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Speaker 1: gets the hookup, right, His friends get the hookup. Becky
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Speaker 1: with the good hair gets the hookup. It's Kellen whom
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Speaker 1: Courtney Wild thirty three, remembers most vividly from the day
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Speaker 1: she first walked through Epstein's door in Palm Beach in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Wild was just fourteen, still in
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Speaker 1: middle school, with a mouthful of braces to her. Kellen's
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Speaker 1: friendliness made the situation seem normal, and that was the function,
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Speaker 1: right for Kellen. There's a reason Epstein didn't have a
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Speaker 1: bunch of dudes around him, right, he didn't. He wanted
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Speaker 1: these girls to feel comfortable, these little girls, So we'd
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Speaker 1: have other women around him, vibrant, well spoken, well dressed,
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Speaker 1: got the nice haircuts, you know, you know the type.
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Speaker 1: And their job would be to normalize all of this shit,
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Speaker 1: make the scheduling appointments and all of that stuff. And
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Speaker 1: Sarah Kellen Vickers was at the forefront of all of it.
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Speaker 1: But somehow, well somehow, she's somehow gets a pass. You're
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old and you go to a mansion and
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Speaker 1: then Sarah Kellen, I mean she's a beautiful woman too,
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Speaker 1: she's very nice, you know, escorts me upstairs. Wild said
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Speaker 1: in an interview, it's weird, but I just kind of
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Speaker 1: went with the flow of what everybody else was doing.
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Speaker 1: And again, that's part of the normalization process we talk about.
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Speaker 1: If everybody else is doing it, then it's normal, right.
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Speaker 1: And when you're an impressionable youth a lot easier to
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Speaker 1: be swayed. You're much more malleable, and these people know it.
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Speaker 1: You add to that the fact that these kids, these
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Speaker 1: young girls come from broken homes, disadvantaged homes. They don't
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Speaker 1: have money, and you add that as another carrot dangling.
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Speaker 1: It's not hard to see how these girls fell into
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Speaker 1: the trap and ended up in this spider web. But
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Speaker 1: would they have fallen into this trap if it was
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and three dudes sitting around? I highly doubt If, folks,
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Speaker 1: some dude approaches these young girls while they're on the streets,
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Speaker 1: well what kicks in right away? Stranger danger, Some well
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Speaker 1: spoken becky with the good hair looking girl shows up though,
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Speaker 1: whole different ballgame, right You got that trust factor right away,
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Speaker 1: because in society, we don't ever think or want to
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Speaker 1: think anyway that a woman would engage in something like this.
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Speaker 1: We think that, you know, oh, girls are gonna preten
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Speaker 1: a woman's gonna protect a woman and not let something
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Speaker 1: like this occur. But unfortunately that is not the case.
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Speaker 1: It's weird, but I just kind of went with the
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Speaker 1: flow of what everybody else was doing. In two thousand
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Speaker 1: and eight, Wild through the federal government for violating the
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Speaker 1: rights of Epstein survivors by striking his non prosecution agreement
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Speaker 1: without their knowledge, a case that is ongoing. She has
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Speaker 1: been a public advocate for survivors' rights since and has
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Speaker 1: spoken openly about her story. And that's a little tidbit
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Speaker 1: right there. Right. The case is ongoing, according to Tara
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Speaker 1: Palmery here, so maybe she knows something that we don't.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they are going to kick it up to the
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I remember them saying that they were thinking
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Speaker 1: about it, but I don't know if a decision had
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Speaker 1: been made. I really hope that they do, because I
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Speaker 1: think that the Supreme Court will take a look at
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Speaker 1: this and understand that the law is what the law
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Speaker 1: is here, and the amicust prefiled by those who you
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Speaker 1: know wrote the law probably should weigh in and be
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Speaker 1: a heavy factor. It should certainly mean more than the
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Speaker 1: interpretation of some idiot judge who graduated from Harvid. The
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Speaker 1: people who wrote the law might have an idea of
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Speaker 1: what it's meaning is. And for her to say about how,
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Speaker 1: you know, she went with the flow and everybody else
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Speaker 1: was doing it there, that was part of it. Again,
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Speaker 1: it's huge, right. The psychological effect of something like that
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Speaker 1: is big. When you're introduced to something and everybody is
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Speaker 1: doing it and it's normalized in the group that you're with,
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Speaker 1: then it's normalized behavior for crack addicts when they're all
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Speaker 1: hanging out in the bando beaming up to Scottie. That's
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Speaker 1: normalized behavior to you and I. It's abhorrent and it's
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Speaker 1: horrifying to us and scary. Right, we see something like that,
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Speaker 1: we're like, holy shit, what the hell? But not for them,
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Speaker 1: that's normalized. To them, that's everyday behavior. Same with people
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Speaker 1: who live in a war torn country hearing mortar fire
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Speaker 1: and bombs blowing up and car bombs going off in
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Speaker 1: front of the school. Unfortunately, you get desensitized to it
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Speaker 1: and it becomes normalized. And we see that with the
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Speaker 1: survivors with Epstein and as part of their grooming process.
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Speaker 1: Once she was recruited, Wilde says she was told she
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Speaker 1: had another option instead of having sex with Epstein, she
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Speaker 1: could be paid to recruit others. And that was another
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Speaker 1: part of it, right. Epstein and his people knew that
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Speaker 1: if they were crafty enough and they said, oh, we're
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Speaker 1: paying these girls, we're giving them money, then they could
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Speaker 1: set it up for later on and say, well, they
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Speaker 1: were prostitutes, we were paying them for their services rendered.
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Speaker 1: We didn't know they were under a And that is
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Speaker 1: exactly the defense Jeffrey Epstein used, and the fact that
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Speaker 1: the state prosecutors let him get away with it is laughable.
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Speaker 1: That's like getting pulled over, being drunk out of your brain,
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Speaker 1: failing the breathalyzer and still getting off. Somehow quite obvious
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Speaker 1: what was going on here? And she wasn't alone. During
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Speaker 1: her raid on Epstein's house in two thousand and five,
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Speaker 1: police found phone logs signed by Kellen with the names
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Speaker 1: of teenagers who were called for confirmation of work. So basically,
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Speaker 1: Sarah Kellen Vickers was running around like a madam here
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Speaker 1: calling girls in, sending him out, signing off on paperwork.
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Speaker 1: What more do you need SDN why to prosecute? I mean,
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Speaker 1: are you guys for real over there, Maureen Comy, can
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Speaker 1: you guys prosecute Sarah kell and Vickers and the Core
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Speaker 1: four please? For their partner all of this at the
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Speaker 1: very least, don't you think they should come in and
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Speaker 1: speak with you guys under oath. Now again, I might
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Speaker 1: be missing the mark. They might have already done all
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Speaker 1: of this behind the scenes, but somehow I think that
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Speaker 1: would have leaked. We know that there's all sorts of
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Speaker 1: leaking issues that go on at the SDNY, so I
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Speaker 1: would be shocked that they were able to keep this.
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Speaker 1: Mum's the word. But maybe they have, and maybe we'll
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Speaker 1: see a superseding indictment that names all of these people
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Speaker 1: as well as Maxwell in a grand conspiracy case, because
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Speaker 1: that is exactly what it is. Folks. It's all right
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Speaker 1: here in black and white. If you don't think a
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Speaker 1: grand jury would indict on this, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: to tell you, because Vemo certainly would. Epstein essentially was
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Speaker 1: running an enterprise at Royal Palm Beach High School. According
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Speaker 1: to survivor testimony given to the Palm Beach Police, each
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Speaker 1: team would earn around two hundred dollars if she brought
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Speaker 1: a new friend to Epstein. And the fact that they
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Speaker 1: were able to keep this basically quiet for this long
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Speaker 1: is insane. I remember being in high school. Nobody could
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Speaker 1: have a secret. You told one person, forget it. Everybody knew.
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Speaker 1: So how the hell was he able to keep all
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Speaker 1: of this running in this sort of fashion if he
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Speaker 1: was not being protected, if he didn't have help from authorities,
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Speaker 1: people to give him a head's up, if an investigation's coming,
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Speaker 1: some politician friends to give him a little wink wink,
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Speaker 1: nudge nudge, Yo, Jeffrey, Shit's on its way, because there
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Speaker 1: is no way these kids weren't talking about what was
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Speaker 1: going on. In fact, that was part of their job
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Speaker 1: to tell other kids, right, I want you to come.
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Speaker 1: So how anyone could say that this was sort of
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Speaker 1: secret or that nobody knew is laughable. This spread throughout
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Speaker 1: the school. Although Palm Beach is known for its wealth,
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Speaker 1: surrounding towns are less affluent for girls from underprivileged families.
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Speaker 1: Two hundred dollars was a big deal. While was living
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Speaker 1: in a trailer park at the time with a mother
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Speaker 1: who struggled with addiction, she told me she feared she
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Speaker 1: would become homeless without the money she was earning from Epstein.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, you see those kind of stories all the time,
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Speaker 1: right in this case, Courtney Wilde turned to Epstein with
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Speaker 1: that money and to the situation she found over there,
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Speaker 1: other girls turn to the streets and start turning tricks,
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Speaker 1: get caught up with a pimp, and before you know it,
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Speaker 1: they don't even know that they're being trafficked. And that's
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Speaker 1: the sad reality of all of this shit for the
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Speaker 1: forgotten amongst us. So when everybody's out there virtue signaling
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Speaker 1: and talking all the bullshit that they talk. Ask them
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Speaker 1: what are they doing for their community? What are they
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Speaker 1: doing besides being a coffee shop revolutionary and pounding out tweets.
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Speaker 1: If you want to mosh folks, you gotta get in
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Speaker 1: the pit. Kellen visited Epstein during and after his first
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Speaker 1: incarceration multiple times, according to prison records. And that's another thing, right,
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Speaker 1: You aren't gonna tell me that you're victimized by Epstein,
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Speaker 1: or you're a victim of the situation or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: And you're visiting this dude in prison. Stop it. Nobody's
24:36
Speaker 1: buying that. Who's gonna buy that? Maybe the weirdo's over
24:39
Speaker 1: at the compensation fund you're gonna buy it. But nobody
24:42
Speaker 1: who's rational is buying it. Nobody in society, nobody following
24:45
Speaker 1: this case. You're not a victim. You had ample time
24:52
Speaker 1: to go to the police. In fact, you were protected
24:55
Speaker 1: under a non prosecution agreement. So I don't want to
24:58
Speaker 1: hear shit from anyone protected from that with that thing.
25:06
Speaker 1: But she considers herself one of Epstein's victims too. Born
25:10
Speaker 1: into a strict family of Jehovah witnesses, she started working
25:13
Speaker 1: for Epstein when she was twenty two. After divorcing her
25:16
Speaker 1: first husband and becoming a strange from her parents and community.
25:20
Speaker 1: I love how they like as she sets it up, right, like, oh, well,
25:23
Speaker 1: she was born into a Jehovah witness's family, Okay, and
25:29
Speaker 1: plenty of people born into Jehovah witnesses families that don't
25:32
Speaker 1: end up helping human traffickers and engaging in that behavior.
25:37
Speaker 1: Weak ass excuse, How about some personal responsibility? What's ever
25:40
Speaker 1: happened to that nobody is down with personal responsibility. Let
25:45
Speaker 1: me be very clear, every single problem in my life,
25:49
Speaker 1: every hurdle I have had, for the most part, has
25:52
Speaker 1: been self created. I have no one to blame for
25:56
Speaker 1: any circumstance in my life but myself, not society, my parents,
26:01
Speaker 1: not my neighbors, not some dickhead politician. My own bad
26:05
Speaker 1: decision making has screwed me more times than not. It
26:11
Speaker 1: would be nice to see some of these people take
26:13
Speaker 1: some personal responsibility. Oh my daughter, Oh my religion, oh
26:18
Speaker 1: my peg leg Enough already, when Sarah was targeted by
26:25
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Gielean Maxwell, she, like many of their victims,
26:29
Speaker 1: was struggling financially and emotionally. Her spokesperson said in a statement.
26:35
Speaker 1: Soon After saraw was brought into Epstein's world, he began
26:38
Speaker 1: to sexually and psychologically abuse her, abuse that endured for years.
26:43
Speaker 1: But still she didn't go to the police. Still she
26:47
Speaker 1: was protected under the non prosecution agreement. Where's her big
26:53
Speaker 1: statement to the media, When's she's going to sit down
26:55
Speaker 1: for an hour long conversation with Tara Paul Mary. She's
27:00
Speaker 1: not about that life, She's about positioning herself as a victim.
27:04
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I do not believe it. Look, there's
27:07
Speaker 1: a very fine line in this case, and I'm certainly
27:10
Speaker 1: not the arbiter of who was a victim and who
27:12
Speaker 1: is not, and I never will try and be. But
27:14
Speaker 1: when it comes to bullshit like this trying to gaslight me,
27:17
Speaker 1: oh no, sorry, that's not gonna happen. Okay, there's no
27:20
Speaker 1: gray area here for me, Sarah Kellen, Vickers, and the
27:24
Speaker 1: Corps four all need to be brought in and put
27:28
Speaker 1: under oath and in my opinion, my humble opinion, charged
27:32
Speaker 1: with rico. Kellen's representative said Kellen did schedule appointments and
27:40
Speaker 1: massages for Epstein and Maxwell, but that's she never recruited
27:44
Speaker 1: young girls for them. The spokesperson would not say whether
27:47
Speaker 1: Kellen has applied for survivor's compensation. Well, again, let's get
27:53
Speaker 1: her under oath and let's see how her tune changes
27:55
Speaker 1: now that Big Cis Maxwell got herself caught up Big
27:59
Speaker 1: Cis Max is getting busted for perjury. Let's see how
28:02
Speaker 1: quickly the rest of these serpents are willing to lie
28:06
Speaker 1: under oath. Wile told me it's upsetting for her to
28:11
Speaker 1: hear that Kellen calls herself a victim. How could you
28:14
Speaker 1: do this? She said tearly She was over the age
28:17
Speaker 1: of twenty one, so I feel like she was in
28:19
Speaker 1: a state of mind to make good and bad decisions,
28:22
Speaker 1: and she repeatedly made the wrong decisions. Courtney is being
28:26
Speaker 1: way too kind here, and I get it. Courtney is
28:29
Speaker 1: not you know, that's not her who she is. She's
28:31
Speaker 1: not gonna come out and just eviscerate Sarah Kelln Vickers.
28:36
Speaker 1: But I will. I don't have no chill. I can
28:41
Speaker 1: get ignorant when that's the road that has to be traveled, folks. Oh,
28:46
Speaker 1: I can put on my ignorant hat, believe it, and
28:49
Speaker 1: sometimes it's called for. And when you're dealing with people
28:52
Speaker 1: like Sarah Kelln Vickers, Adrianna Ross, Leslie Groff, and the
29:00
Speaker 1: rest of them. Well, sometimes you just got to call
29:03
Speaker 1: it what it is. And Sarah Kelln Vickers and the
29:06
Speaker 1: rest of these girls are not victims. Okay, they're not
29:10
Speaker 1: victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Marson Kova. We can have a
29:13
Speaker 1: conversation about her. That's about it. Though, if you didn't
29:16
Speaker 1: go and speak to the police as one of his assistants,
29:19
Speaker 1: as one of his core four after he was arrested,
29:24
Speaker 1: then you also are still culpable for the crimes committed
29:28
Speaker 1: while working with Epstein point blank period. Police reports have
29:35
Speaker 1: stated that another assistant of Epstein's, Marsonkova, now thirty six,
29:40
Speaker 1: engaged in sex acts with Epstein's survivors nearly two decades ago.
29:45
Speaker 1: And again, Martenkova is a weird case, right. It's said
29:49
Speaker 1: that she was purchased from her parents as a juvenile
29:52
Speaker 1: herself and groomed from adolescence, you know, teenage years into
30:00
Speaker 1: what Jeffrey Epstein wanted her to be. So I think
30:03
Speaker 1: that there is some gray area with marson Kova now,
30:06
Speaker 1: enough gray area for her not to serve any penalty
30:09
Speaker 1: or serve any jail time. I don't know if there's
30:12
Speaker 1: that much gray area. After Epstein was jailed in Florida,
30:18
Speaker 1: she visited him at least fifty four times, according to
30:21
Speaker 1: media reports. In a statement to Politico, her lawyer said
30:25
Speaker 1: that Marsenkova, too was victimized by Epstein. According to a
30:30
Speaker 1: Palm Beach police report, Epstein once told a survivor that
30:33
Speaker 1: he had purchased marson Kova at age fifteen from her
30:37
Speaker 1: family in Yugoslavia to be a sex slave. So right there,
30:41
Speaker 1: that shows you what I'm talking about with marson Kova.
30:44
Speaker 1: There is gray area with marson Kova for sure, and
30:47
Speaker 1: I think that she definitely needs some sort of penalty. Right.
30:52
Speaker 1: Nobody should skate from this, but I certainly don't put
30:55
Speaker 1: her in the same category as I do. Kellen. Now,
31:00
Speaker 1: people might disagree, and I'm not gonna. I wouldn't even
31:03
Speaker 1: argue it with you, to be honest with you, if
31:04
Speaker 1: you wanted to go harsh on her, because I get
31:07
Speaker 1: it we're talking about crimes perpetrated against children. But when
31:14
Speaker 1: you're dealing with somebody who was purchased from their parents
31:16
Speaker 1: at fifteen by somebody like Epstein, you have to think
31:19
Speaker 1: that the psychological effects are severe. And the trauma is
31:24
Speaker 1: severe and the normalization of it all. So I'll leave
31:29
Speaker 1: that up to the experts. When it comes to martian Cova,
31:34
Speaker 1: Nadia wants to speak out about her victimization and help
31:37
Speaker 1: Epstein's other survivors. The lawyer's statement said, Unfortunately, she is
31:42
Speaker 1: not yet able to comment publicly. The lawyer would not
31:45
Speaker 1: say whether marsion Cova has applied for victims compensation. Now
31:50
Speaker 1: again a little too late in my opinion, Nadia, I'm
31:54
Speaker 1: going to see the guy fifty four times while he
31:56
Speaker 1: was in jail. Come on now, stop it so again.
32:03
Speaker 1: Compensation Nope, your compensation was all the money you raked
32:06
Speaker 1: in while you were working for Epstein, your pilot's license
32:09
Speaker 1: and all of that. That was your compensation that you
32:12
Speaker 1: got from ill gotten gains. By the way, that if
32:14
Speaker 1: any of us were involved in well, we'd be facing
32:17
Speaker 1: a rico suit. Ross thirty eight, who also has gone
32:23
Speaker 1: by Adriana Mucinska, has avoided commenting about her association with Epstein,
32:29
Speaker 1: including refusing to answer questions in a twenty ten deposition.
32:33
Speaker 1: She did not respond to requests for comment. Yeah, Adriana
32:37
Speaker 1: Ross or Mucinska, she does not want to talk about
32:41
Speaker 1: this at all. She knows the deal. She understands that
32:44
Speaker 1: she has big problems here in this case. If they
32:47
Speaker 1: decide to go down that road. She is certainly a
32:50
Speaker 1: key player, one of the core for one of Epstein's
32:53
Speaker 1: big time assistants, and it's time for all of them
32:57
Speaker 1: to get caught up in this dragnet Groff fifty four,
33:03
Speaker 1: worked as Epstein's executive assistant in Manhattan when she was
33:07
Speaker 1: in her thirties. Yeah, I guess we're gonna say that
33:09
Speaker 1: she was too young, too right. She didn't know any
33:11
Speaker 1: better as well. Leslie Groff had no idea what Jeffrey
33:14
Speaker 1: Epstein was Give me a break. According to court documents
33:22
Speaker 1: filed in a twenty nineteen lawsuit by survivor Jennifer Areos,
33:27
Speaker 1: Groff was critical in facilitating Epstein's sexual abuse. She looked
33:31
Speaker 1: after Epstein's survivors, booked their travel and made sure they
33:35
Speaker 1: maintained rules of behavior. Now, let me ask you a question.
33:38
Speaker 1: Say you were in a drug cartel and you were
33:42
Speaker 1: the bookkeeper, right, you were, you know, taking care of
33:46
Speaker 1: the books, making you know, the travel, blah blah blah,
33:51
Speaker 1: And the head of that cartel was busted and the
33:52
Speaker 1: whole thing was busted. Do you think you would get
33:56
Speaker 1: let off and you wouldn't be brought up on charges
33:58
Speaker 1: of conspiracy? Hell no, In for a penny, in for
34:02
Speaker 1: a pound, every single person involved would be getting charged.
34:06
Speaker 1: Why is that not the case here? Why does the
34:10
Speaker 1: federal government still refuse to slap these people with rico?
34:21
Speaker 1: In a statement to Politico, Groff's lawyer said she never
34:24
Speaker 1: witnessed anything improper or illegal while working for Epstein and
34:28
Speaker 1: that she has always maintained her innocence in the ARREOs case. Well, okay,
34:34
Speaker 1: well I never witnessed anything illegal either with those eighty
34:37
Speaker 1: five thousand pounds of cocaine that shipped from Mexico to
34:41
Speaker 1: the port in Sicily. But somehow I got when when
34:46
Speaker 1: when everything went to shit, I'm the boss. I got
34:49
Speaker 1: busted too. So how's that? How's that work? Oh she
34:55
Speaker 1: didn't know, so she's immune from the law. You better
35:00
Speaker 1: you know who you're working for. You better know what
35:02
Speaker 1: you're getting into. That case was dropped when Areos accepted
35:08
Speaker 1: payment from the survivor's compensation fund, which has a provision
35:12
Speaker 1: saying applicants cannot sue Epstein's employees. It's a way to
35:16
Speaker 1: safeguard the estate, whose executors are two longtime Epstein lawyers,
35:21
Speaker 1: from future legal action and financial liability. And you know, again,
35:28
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna delve too deep into the compensation fund thing.
35:32
Speaker 1: It's not really for any of us to say, right,
35:35
Speaker 1: If these survivors believe that the compensation fund is the
35:39
Speaker 1: right route for them to go, then I say go
35:41
Speaker 1: for it. If somebody feels like it's not right for
35:44
Speaker 1: them and they're gonna sue the shit out of these people,
35:46
Speaker 1: sue the pants off of them and go after every
35:49
Speaker 1: single one of these people one out of time, I'm
35:52
Speaker 1: cool with that too. It's really, you know, not for
35:54
Speaker 1: me to decide. But I think that that compensation fund
35:57
Speaker 1: better be doing the right thing and they better be
36:00
Speaker 1: paying out the right amount of money to these girls.
36:06
Speaker 1: Dan Weener, an attorney for the co executors of Epstein's estate,
36:10
Speaker 1: wrote in an email that the provision was meant to
36:12
Speaker 1: provide as much closure as possible. Ongoing litigation would defeat
36:17
Speaker 1: the program's goal of fully and finally resolving claims against
36:21
Speaker 1: the estate arising from mister Epstein's conduct. Wiener wrote, translation,
36:27
Speaker 1: let's just get it all out of the way. Now,
36:29
Speaker 1: if they come in one out of time, we're gonna
36:31
Speaker 1: get picked clean and there won't be anything left for
36:34
Speaker 1: us to dive into when the corpse is there and
36:36
Speaker 1: we go into vulture mode. Maybe I'm just cynical, but
36:40
Speaker 1: that's the way it reads to me. But multiple survivors
36:46
Speaker 1: have told me the provision has made them more reluctant
36:48
Speaker 1: to apply for restitution. The language that this document is
36:53
Speaker 1: made up of made up of seems to only protect
36:57
Speaker 1: a lot of the other co conspirators, and it just
37:00
Speaker 1: seems to benefit the lawyers, Shartouni said. And I don't
37:05
Speaker 1: think she's wrong about that. Maybe, you know, maybe we're
37:08
Speaker 1: all just cynical, right, Maybe that's it, And these lawyers
37:11
Speaker 1: are great people and they really care about the survivors. Somehow,
37:16
Speaker 1: I think that the lawyers for the estate and the
37:19
Speaker 1: people involved in the compensation fund are only worried about
37:23
Speaker 1: their own pockets. All right, folks. That's gonna conclude part
37:28
Speaker 1: three of our dive into Tara paul Mary's awesome article
37:34
Speaker 1: The Women who enabled Jeffrey Epstein. We will be back
37:40
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning with part four. If you'd like to contact me,
37:45
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38:03
Speaker 1: All of the links that go with this episode can
38:06
Speaker 1: be found in the description box Our Parah Paul Mary
38:10
Speaker 1: Piece over at Politico and we're gonna pick up where
38:13
Speaker 1: we left off. Now, yesterday we finished off and we
38:17
Speaker 1: were talking about the assistance or who I have dubbed
38:22
Speaker 1: the core four. Today we're gonna pick right back up
38:28
Speaker 1: in the article and we're gonna talk about the recruiters. Now,
38:34
Speaker 1: for those of you who followed this case for a
38:36
Speaker 1: long time or quite some time, you know that there
38:39
Speaker 1: are many, many levels to this and many different people
38:44
Speaker 1: took part. You had enablers, you had recruiters, you had groomers,
38:49
Speaker 1: you had a whole litany of people who were involved
38:53
Speaker 1: in making sure that this operation ran the correct, correct
38:59
Speaker 1: way and that things went the way that Maxwell and
39:04
Speaker 1: Epstein planned them to. And some of the most important
39:09
Speaker 1: people inside of that chain were these recruiters and the
39:18
Speaker 1: system that Epstein had set up where he would get
39:21
Speaker 1: one girl from the high school to come and get
39:25
Speaker 1: involved in his disgustingness and then sending her back to
39:29
Speaker 1: recruit more friends with the promise of money not only
39:34
Speaker 1: gave him a pipeline to these young girls, but it
39:38
Speaker 1: also gave him a way out if he was ever caught.
39:42
Speaker 1: And we saw that all come to fruition after the
39:46
Speaker 1: first arrest in Florida when he got the non prosecution
39:50
Speaker 1: agreement on the back of using the excuse that he
39:55
Speaker 1: was simply just a john and he was out there
39:58
Speaker 1: looking to turn some tricks. And all of this was
40:03
Speaker 1: premeditated by Jeffrey Epstein and I'm sure his team. I'm
40:09
Speaker 1: sure Darren Endyke played a part him being the in
40:12
Speaker 1: house lawyer. I'm sure that these ideas were bounced off
40:16
Speaker 1: of him and they came up with the strategy that
40:18
Speaker 1: would benefit Jeffrey Epstein and his disgusting proclivities. But he
40:25
Speaker 1: couldn't do it himself. Oh, I'm sure he could have
40:29
Speaker 1: abused a few girls, right, But there's no way that
40:33
Speaker 1: Epstein could have done what he did for as long
40:36
Speaker 1: as he did with as many girls as he did
40:39
Speaker 1: it with if he didn't have this huge network set
40:43
Speaker 1: up to help him, to help the situation itself stay
40:50
Speaker 1: kind of in the shadows, but certainly off of the
40:54
Speaker 1: radar of a real investigation. And all of these moving arts,
41:00
Speaker 1: all of these pieces of this machine working hand in hand,
41:06
Speaker 1: are exactly why this case should be a Rico case.
41:10
Speaker 1: But somehow we're still sitting here all these months after,
41:15
Speaker 1: and for some reason or another which I can not
41:19
Speaker 1: figure out, it is still not a Rico case. And
41:25
Speaker 1: not only that, the only two people that were facing
41:29
Speaker 1: charges for this, you know, the guards that fell asleep supposedly, well,
41:35
Speaker 1: they had their sentence basically thrown out. They're gonna do
41:41
Speaker 1: some community service over it. We're gonna talk about that.
41:44
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do an episode about that at some point,
41:48
Speaker 1: either later today or tomorrow. But again, there is no
41:53
Speaker 1: accountability whatsoever. Nobody's in jail besides Gilaine Maxwell. You mean,
41:58
Speaker 1: it was just Gilain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein doing this
42:00
Speaker 1: in a vacuum on their own, with no help from
42:03
Speaker 1: anybody else. Huh. It's ridiculous. And this Tara Paul Mary
42:11
Speaker 1: piece goes to show you again and again how many
42:15
Speaker 1: people were really involved in this, and it leaves you
42:20
Speaker 1: with the question of where are the other arrests. So
42:28
Speaker 1: let's jump into this article from Politico authored by Tara
42:31
Speaker 1: Paul Mary, and let's continue our discussion about Jeffrey Epstein's
42:36
Speaker 1: criminal enterprise when we pick it up today talking about
42:41
Speaker 1: the recruiters. Beyond Maxwell and Epstein's assistance was a larger,
42:48
Speaker 1: more informal network of women who were lured by Epstein's gifts,
42:53
Speaker 1: cash trips, college credits, apartments, are access to his powerful
42:58
Speaker 1: contacts to bring other women to him. And that was
43:03
Speaker 1: the game that Epstein played, right. Epstein would he collected
43:07
Speaker 1: these women, these girls, and then he would set them
43:11
Speaker 1: out into whatever industry they worked in or whatever social
43:16
Speaker 1: circle they ran in, and he would bring in other
43:19
Speaker 1: girls to be part of the scheme, to be part
43:22
Speaker 1: of the plot. And all of that occurred because of
43:29
Speaker 1: the money. Right, if you have enough money, you can
43:31
Speaker 1: spread it around and get things moving in the direction
43:34
Speaker 1: you want them to move. And that is why I'm
43:37
Speaker 1: so adamant about the money hunt in this case, about
43:41
Speaker 1: chasing down the financials. That's why we've laid out the
43:44
Speaker 1: fence and files the way we have, why we've talked
43:46
Speaker 1: about the Panama papers, why we've talked about hashtag open
43:50
Speaker 1: lux because the financial pathway here is the proper pathway,
43:56
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you're looking to really go after
43:59
Speaker 1: all of these people, even the ones that were on
44:01
Speaker 1: the periphery, then the pathway to get there is financially.
44:07
Speaker 1: Anybody telling you any different is blowing smoke up your ass.
44:13
Speaker 1: These people are shrewd and they're calculating, and they know
44:17
Speaker 1: how to cover their ties and cover their tracks, and
44:22
Speaker 1: the only way to nail them a lot of times
44:25
Speaker 1: is through that dark money, the same dark money that
44:28
Speaker 1: allowed Epstein to build this whole entire operation. He was
44:35
Speaker 1: able to float this dark money to these people and
44:38
Speaker 1: in turn build the enterprise and build the pyramid scheme basically,
44:45
Speaker 1: and the whole while giving himself the cover by paying
44:49
Speaker 1: these girls and saying, well, they were prostitutes. I was
44:53
Speaker 1: just a simple john, and the lame ass, bitch ass
45:00
Speaker 1: authorities let him slide. In some cases, they scoured nightclubs
45:09
Speaker 1: or restaurants for Epstein's type, which he described to Wild
45:13
Speaker 1: and other survivors as the younger the better. Now. The
45:19
Speaker 1: first time someone says that to me is the last
45:23
Speaker 1: time I ever speak with them. The younger the better,
45:25
Speaker 1: some grown ass man. Now I get it. Courtney Wilde
45:28
Speaker 1: is a different situation. She was engaged in being abused
45:32
Speaker 1: by this man I'm talking about in general, as a
45:36
Speaker 1: man or a woman or whatever. And you're in some
45:39
Speaker 1: kind of social setting and someone even makes a joke
45:42
Speaker 1: like that, I'm looking at you sideways. Probably not the
45:49
Speaker 1: subject to joke about, right, But unfortunately, it wasn't a
45:54
Speaker 1: joke with Jeffrey Epstein. It was real, and the nightmare
46:01
Speaker 1: that all of these survivors were living and are still
46:04
Speaker 1: living through, unfortunately was real as well. Epstein's survivors commonly
46:12
Speaker 1: use the term recruiters, including in court allegations, to refer
46:17
Speaker 1: to the adult women like oh, who sought out others
46:20
Speaker 1: for Epstein and who they believe should be held accountable
46:23
Speaker 1: for their actions. Look, I agree with that one hundred percent.
46:28
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not some sort of specialist in this field. However,
46:32
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like human emotion and what
46:35
Speaker 1: drives humans to do this sort of thing, and all
46:38
Speaker 1: the other circumstances that surround the predicament that some of
46:42
Speaker 1: these women might find themselves in. Look, I'm certainly not
46:45
Speaker 1: capable of delving into that end of the pool. All
46:50
Speaker 1: I can talk is from you know, the Peanut Gallery
46:53
Speaker 1: as an observer, And for my money, any adult who
46:59
Speaker 1: is out trying to bring a child to Jeffrey Epstein
47:02
Speaker 1: or somebody like Jeffrey Epstein should be held culpable for
47:05
Speaker 1: their actions. There's no excuse for a grown ass man
47:12
Speaker 1: or woman to bring somebody to a guy like Jeffrey Epstein.
47:16
Speaker 1: I don't care how much money you're being paid, I
47:19
Speaker 1: don't care about any of it. You have to draw
47:26
Speaker 1: the line somewhere right. And then if you don't draw
47:29
Speaker 1: that line later on down the road, when it's all
47:32
Speaker 1: exposed and your name pops up, you can't cry foul
47:36
Speaker 1: and cry victim. Then right, where were you when people
47:40
Speaker 1: were actually being victimized? Oh that's right. You were bringing
47:43
Speaker 1: these girls to Jeffrey Epstein like pigs to the slaughter.
47:49
Speaker 1: So when we're looking back on this now with revisionist history,
47:55
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hard sell, at least for me,
47:58
Speaker 1: for these recruiters to try and posit themselves as victims.
48:03
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that dog just does not hunt with me.
48:06
Speaker 1: A grown ass adult should know better. Still, recruitment in
48:15
Speaker 1: Epstein's world was a gray area. Even the adult recruiters
48:19
Speaker 1: were still much younger than Epstein, and insidiously, Epstein often
48:24
Speaker 1: tasked the miners he abused with bringing their friends to
48:27
Speaker 1: him too. Look, I don't I don't really care that
48:33
Speaker 1: they were young adults and Jeffrey Epstein was much older
48:36
Speaker 1: than them. I don't. I don't think that that is
48:41
Speaker 1: an excuse for you bringing other young girls to this
48:45
Speaker 1: man to be abused, especially if you were being exposed
48:49
Speaker 1: to that abuse yourself. We're not talking about El Choppo here, folks, right,
48:55
Speaker 1: We're not talking about you know, some sacario who is
49:00
Speaker 1: murdering people. Any one of these recruiters, these adult recruiters,
49:05
Speaker 1: could have at any time went to the police in
49:08
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, who already had this investigation open. They could
49:14
Speaker 1: have contacted any prosecutor basically, but they didn't. And what
49:20
Speaker 1: have they come forward? And Stan even talked about any
49:22
Speaker 1: of this this arena old lady, or any of them
49:25
Speaker 1: if they weren't called out onto the carpet. You see,
49:29
Speaker 1: when you're compelled to do something, and you're forced to
49:32
Speaker 1: do something, I'm not giving you your props for that.
49:35
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you a fist bump for that. Where
49:37
Speaker 1: were you for all of these years. Why are you
49:40
Speaker 1: coming out now that you might have some liability? Now
49:43
Speaker 1: it's a big problem. Now you got to get out
49:45
Speaker 1: in front of it. I'm not buying it. I'm sorry.
49:51
Speaker 1: It's unclear exactly how many adult recruiters Epstein had and
49:55
Speaker 1: who they were. Many of their names remain hidden. Pay
49:59
Speaker 1: all those Polly, the founder of a modeling agency in
50:02
Speaker 1: New York, told me Epstein's recruiters were so rampant in
50:05
Speaker 1: Manhattan that they became known as the in the modeling
50:09
Speaker 1: and nightclub world, as Jeffrey's Girls. Now, the nightclub angle
50:14
Speaker 1: is an angle that has not really been explored as much, right,
50:18
Speaker 1: and it's certainly interesting to me to look at things
50:21
Speaker 1: from that angle. So if anybody is out there listening
50:24
Speaker 1: to the podcast and you were working in the club
50:27
Speaker 1: scene in New York during that time, and you got
50:30
Speaker 1: some tea to spill perhaps about what occurred, hit me up.
50:35
Speaker 1: You guys know the email addressed by Now shoot me
50:38
Speaker 1: an email. Let's talk about it, because there's there was
50:41
Speaker 1: definitely an element to this, and probably several elements to
50:46
Speaker 1: this that are still being overlooked. That's how vast this
50:50
Speaker 1: criminal enterprise was and again, it just makes me shake
50:54
Speaker 1: my head that there is not a Rico charge hanging
50:58
Speaker 1: over all of their heads that would give the government
51:02
Speaker 1: a lot of ability to do things that they can't
51:07
Speaker 1: do otherwise. Shartouni, who consented to be named for this article,
51:17
Speaker 1: was a twenty year old model from a small town
51:19
Speaker 1: in Alaska and a recent transplant to Manhattan when Oh
51:23
Speaker 1: brought her to Epstein's massive townhouse. And again with this
51:27
Speaker 1: rena o lady, she certainly has come out with guns
51:29
Speaker 1: blazing in her defense, right, and hey, look, she's more
51:33
Speaker 1: than entitled to tell her story, and I'm more than
51:35
Speaker 1: willing to listen, but things just aren't adding up to
51:38
Speaker 1: me now. Again, Remember this is my opinion, right, I'm
51:41
Speaker 1: not the be all, end all, the arbiter of truth
51:46
Speaker 1: in this case. I'm just a guy like most of you,
51:49
Speaker 1: who was pissed off seeing what happened here, looking at
51:52
Speaker 1: the incredible injustice, and decided to start running his fat
51:57
Speaker 1: y app about it. And if my opinion resonates with
52:00
Speaker 1: a lot of you out there, which it seems to,
52:01
Speaker 1: that's great. But I'm just you know, I call it
52:05
Speaker 1: how I see it here on this podcast, and for me,
52:09
Speaker 1: I just don't see how someone like Rina Oh should
52:13
Speaker 1: have any kind of status as a victim here. She
52:20
Speaker 1: could have went to the authorities. She never went to
52:23
Speaker 1: the authorities. Why did her name have to get brought
52:26
Speaker 1: up by one of the survivors and on Antara Palmery's show,
52:30
Speaker 1: Why did the survivors themselves have to bring her name
52:33
Speaker 1: up if she was so worried about what was going
52:36
Speaker 1: on and she was also victimized here. And again, look,
52:39
Speaker 1: I'm not saying at some point Epstein wasn't crude with her,
52:42
Speaker 1: or that Epstein didn't abuse her in some sense he
52:45
Speaker 1: might have. That was his mo He was a sick bastard, right,
52:49
Speaker 1: So don't get me wrong. I'm not, you know, completely
52:57
Speaker 1: void of empathy, right, I get it. It's a it's
53:00
Speaker 1: a confusing situation. There's a lot of things going on here.
53:04
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I'm big on
53:06
Speaker 1: self responsibility. I'm big on adults having self responsibility. And
53:11
Speaker 1: if you were an adult and you were bringing other
53:13
Speaker 1: girls into the viper's den, you were bringing other girls
53:17
Speaker 1: in to this spider's web, then you need to have
53:23
Speaker 1: a real accounting as well, and you need to come
53:26
Speaker 1: forward and speak to the authorities once again, where was
53:29
Speaker 1: she for all of these years? Now, all of a sudden,
53:35
Speaker 1: water's getting a bit hot. Eyes are starting to turn
53:38
Speaker 1: to you. You get out on this show, and all
53:41
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you were a victim as well.
53:45
Speaker 1: And she might look she might have been right, she
53:48
Speaker 1: might have been, But does that excuse her bringing other girls,
53:52
Speaker 1: some of them under age, to Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sorry,
53:56
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. It is literally like Alice in Wonderland,
54:03
Speaker 1: like walking through the rabbit hole. As soon as you
54:05
Speaker 1: got in that door, Shartuni told me. She recalls that
54:09
Speaker 1: Oh asked if she wanted to meet a friend of hers,
54:11
Speaker 1: which could be interpreted in so many different ways, Shartuni said,
54:15
Speaker 1: And that's the disingenuous part that I have a problem with. Right,
54:21
Speaker 1: Rena Oh knew what Jeffrey Epstein was. She had brought
54:25
Speaker 1: other girls there before. So you can't act like you're
54:30
Speaker 1: innocent here. You can't act like you had no idea
54:32
Speaker 1: what was going on. You know what you were bringing
54:34
Speaker 1: Shartuni over there for. You knew what the deal was.
54:37
Speaker 1: This young girl from Alaska, pie eyed in New York City,
54:41
Speaker 1: and you're gonna slide in and act like you know,
54:43
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I got this great guy for you to meet.
54:45
Speaker 1: He can further your career. Here's an idea. If you
54:51
Speaker 1: really are a victim like Rena and some of these
54:56
Speaker 1: other gals say they were, then instead of bringing girl
55:00
Speaker 1: Whilse to Jeffrey Epstein, you should have brought Jeffrey Epstein
55:03
Speaker 1: to the authorities. Oh made it seem also so normative,
55:11
Speaker 1: she said, I was just like everyone had a part
55:14
Speaker 1: and I didn't know it. After the incident with Owen Epstein,
55:18
Speaker 1: she never saw him again. So again, when we talk
55:21
Speaker 1: about it being normalized, that's not just a spitballing, right.
55:25
Speaker 1: The survivors themselves have talked about how when they would
55:28
Speaker 1: walk into a place like this, everything was normalized. The behavior,
55:32
Speaker 1: the actions, the way people conducted themselves, the way people behaved,
55:36
Speaker 1: the crude touching all normalized. And from my vantage point
55:44
Speaker 1: or from your vantage point, that's not our scene, right,
55:47
Speaker 1: we don't. For us, we'd walk into that and we
55:49
Speaker 1: know right away that that shit something was wrong. But
55:53
Speaker 1: people who are brought up in this or brought into
55:57
Speaker 1: this and this behavior is normalized through the grooming process.
56:01
Speaker 1: It's just normal to them, and I know, it's hard
56:06
Speaker 1: to comprehend, right, It's hard to put yourself in that
56:09
Speaker 1: position where you're like, how could you ever get I
56:13
Speaker 1: get it, I get it. You know, we all have
56:16
Speaker 1: different upbringings. Some of us are more skeptical than others.
56:19
Speaker 1: Some of us had parents who drilled it into our
56:22
Speaker 1: heads to distrust everybody, basically like my parents. And then
56:26
Speaker 1: you know, you have other people whose parents might not
56:29
Speaker 1: have been around, maybe not because they're drug addicts or
56:32
Speaker 1: bad people, but because they were trying to put food
56:34
Speaker 1: on the table. What do you think the fairy godmother
56:39
Speaker 1: of nutrition is showing up with a basket for your kids.
56:43
Speaker 1: It's either go to work or tang sandwiches. And if
56:46
Speaker 1: you ain't ever been poor, well, those are actual, real
56:49
Speaker 1: choices people have to make in life, folks. So I
56:55
Speaker 1: can understand how this can happen, right, I can understand
56:59
Speaker 1: how these girls can get caught up in this. But
57:02
Speaker 1: for somebody like Rina Oh or these other adults who
57:06
Speaker 1: were involved in bringing these girls there, grooming them and
57:09
Speaker 1: normalizing all of this, I'm hard pressed to find any sympathy.
57:14
Speaker 1: Now again, I'm not the arbiter of truth here. I'm
57:17
Speaker 1: just a guy with an opinion. But the real victims,
57:24
Speaker 1: the real people who deserve empathy here are the young
57:28
Speaker 1: girl's children in a lot of cases, that were brought
57:31
Speaker 1: against their will into the spider web of this madman
57:35
Speaker 1: by these unremorseful assistance. When pressed about Shartuni's allegation of assault,
57:46
Speaker 1: oh admitted to being in the room with Epstein and Shartuni,
57:50
Speaker 1: but said, my side of the story is I did
57:52
Speaker 1: not abuse anyone period. People that knew about him wanted
57:56
Speaker 1: to meet him, and I brought those people their period.
58:00
Speaker 1: So again, she's very combative, right. She comes across as yeah, right,
58:06
Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with me, I'm a victim too,
58:09
Speaker 1: almost as if it's a guaranteed position for her. Well,
58:13
Speaker 1: some people might feel that way, and that's fine, and
58:17
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and make pretend that what
58:21
Speaker 1: she did was okay, though I think what she did
58:26
Speaker 1: was repugnant, was gross, was wrong, and I believe that
58:30
Speaker 1: she might be culpable here. Now, the statue of limitations
58:35
Speaker 1: might say differently, and the prosecutors might say something else
58:40
Speaker 1: as well while they're busy doing whatever it is that
58:42
Speaker 1: they're doing. But I think that with statements such as this,
58:49
Speaker 1: she brought people there that knew about him and wanted
58:52
Speaker 1: to meet him. I'm pretty sure that that's not the case.
58:58
Speaker 1: Pretty sure that miss Shartuni didn't want to be abused
59:03
Speaker 1: by Jeffrey effing Epstein. All right, So please with that
59:08
Speaker 1: sort of combative nature, that sort of combative nonsense, what
59:11
Speaker 1: do you think you're gonna find? And from people who
59:14
Speaker 1: are following this case, you don't have any remorse. She
59:23
Speaker 1: insisted she did not know Epstein, which how excuse me?
59:26
Speaker 1: She insisted she did not know how Epstein would treat
59:28
Speaker 1: Shartuni today. O says Epstein abused both her and Hartuni
59:33
Speaker 1: in the encounter, which is part of the reason she
59:36
Speaker 1: is seeking victim compensation. Herself may have right, more like
59:40
Speaker 1: greed would be my guess. Okay, and you know your
59:46
Speaker 1: side of the story is what exactly that you engaged
59:50
Speaker 1: in this sort of behavior with Epstein? And this was
59:53
Speaker 1: the only time. I mean, come on, let's just end
59:57
Speaker 1: all of this now, and the prosecutor should bring her
1:00:01
Speaker 1: in and put her under oath. Let's get her under
1:00:04
Speaker 1: oath and let's see what her story is. Then. Enough
1:00:07
Speaker 1: of the bs with these people, all of them, every
1:00:09
Speaker 1: single person who is being accused of this needs to
1:00:13
Speaker 1: be brought in, put under oath and have a conversation
1:00:16
Speaker 1: had with them with the seasoned interrogator. By the way,
1:00:23
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the Compensation Fund declined comment for this article,
1:00:27
Speaker 1: but the fund is published guidelines stating that individuals who
1:00:31
Speaker 1: allegedly assisted Epstein in procuring other victim survivors can apply
1:00:36
Speaker 1: for compensation where there is a credible basis to determine
1:00:40
Speaker 1: that the individual acted under duress as a result of
1:00:43
Speaker 1: her own sexual abuse by Epstein. Now again, I am
1:00:47
Speaker 1: certainly not an expert in the field in the area,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: right I'm not a psychologist. I tell you guys that
1:00:55
Speaker 1: quite a bit, and as you know, I try not
1:00:58
Speaker 1: to swerve out of my lane ever when it comes
1:01:00
Speaker 1: to situations like that. But I don't think that this
1:01:05
Speaker 1: is an acceptable parameter for the compensation fund. It gives
1:01:09
Speaker 1: an out to a lot of these people who should
1:01:12
Speaker 1: be getting an in, and when I say an in,
1:01:14
Speaker 1: I mean an invitation to jail. So this compensation Fund
1:01:24
Speaker 1: again seems like a good idea, But boy, there sure
1:01:29
Speaker 1: are some questions, and I have my doubts about the
1:01:33
Speaker 1: people who are managing this fund. Folks, I'll just be
1:01:37
Speaker 1: straight up, point blank honest with you Feldman and the
1:01:41
Speaker 1: rest of them. I smell weasel. Camille Biros, who helps
1:01:49
Speaker 1: set up the Epstein Compensation Fund but is not involved
1:01:53
Speaker 1: in determining its payouts, said adult women like oh could
1:01:56
Speaker 1: be eligible for compensation based on factors such as as
1:02:00
Speaker 1: the frequency and level of abuse they faced, its impact,
1:02:03
Speaker 1: whether they were threatened, and what kind of corroboration is provided. Boy,
1:02:08
Speaker 1: those are weak ass parameters. Those are weak ass parameters.
1:02:12
Speaker 1: So what the whole core for is gonna end up
1:02:14
Speaker 1: getting some money out of this? That would be the
1:02:17
Speaker 1: ultimate slap in the face, spit in the eye. Imagine
1:02:23
Speaker 1: if you're one of these survivors and the people who
1:02:26
Speaker 1: helped you be abused, the people who groomed you, the
1:02:28
Speaker 1: people who recruited you, were also positing themselves as survivors,
1:02:33
Speaker 1: as victims, and we're getting money from the compensation fund.
1:02:38
Speaker 1: I would look at that personally as money being taken
1:02:41
Speaker 1: right out of my pocket, food off of my plate.
1:02:47
Speaker 1: And there is nothing more unacceptable, in my opinion than
1:02:50
Speaker 1: when that occurs. These people are absolutely without shame in
1:03:00
Speaker 1: my opinion, these so called victims of Jeffrey Epstein, who
1:03:04
Speaker 1: were really recruiters, who were really abusers. It is a
1:03:10
Speaker 1: very very shameful situation. If they are not a minor,
1:03:17
Speaker 1: maybe their mental capacity is not up to the number
1:03:20
Speaker 1: of years old they are, said Bureaus, who has managed
1:03:23
Speaker 1: high profile compensation funds for victims of terrorist attacks, plane crashes,
1:03:28
Speaker 1: and sexual abuse. There are a number of things to consider.
1:03:32
Speaker 1: I think the number one thing to consider is what
1:03:35
Speaker 1: sort of misery was caused by these recruiters bringing these
1:03:39
Speaker 1: girls to Jeffrey Epstein. Furthermore, if you did not go
1:03:43
Speaker 1: to the authorities after the incident, after Epstein was arrested
1:03:47
Speaker 1: the first time, you should lose all rights to compensation,
1:03:51
Speaker 1: point blank period, no discussions, no pass go and certainly
1:03:59
Speaker 1: not collect than that two hundred dollars. That should be
1:04:04
Speaker 1: the parameters of this. Anita Tika, senior director of the
1:04:13
Speaker 1: anti trafficking program at the New York nonprofit Safe Horizon,
1:04:17
Speaker 1: added that is not unusual for sex traffickers to enlist
1:04:21
Speaker 1: their victims as recruiters to protect themselves from legal jeopardy.
1:04:25
Speaker 1: Oh boy, this is so? Is this really the road
1:04:32
Speaker 1: we're gonna travel down? Now? You're really gonna gaslight us
1:04:37
Speaker 1: and try and set it up like these people like
1:04:40
Speaker 1: Grena O or Sarah Kell and Vickers, like they were
1:04:44
Speaker 1: victims here. The only victims, in my opinion anyway, that
1:04:51
Speaker 1: should bear no responsibility are miners underage girls who brought
1:04:55
Speaker 1: other girls into this. Short of that, if you were
1:05:00
Speaker 1: an adult and you were engaging in this, I don't
1:05:02
Speaker 1: want to hear no bullshit. If you didn't go to
1:05:04
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, I mean, if you didn't go to the
1:05:07
Speaker 1: authorities after Epstein was burned the first time, then I
1:05:10
Speaker 1: really don't know what to say to you. I really
1:05:12
Speaker 1: don't have any empathy for your situation at this point.
1:05:16
Speaker 1: If you were abused by Epstein, obviously I feel sorry
1:05:19
Speaker 1: for you, and it's a shitty situation for anybody, but
1:05:23
Speaker 1: that doesn't give you a pass for abusing others. Biros
1:05:32
Speaker 1: also said she believes unequivocally that any miner who brought
1:05:36
Speaker 1: others to Epstein is not at fault, for sure, one
1:05:39
Speaker 1: hundred percent. No miners should ever be at fault in
1:05:41
Speaker 1: a situation like this. Robertson Wilde, for example, both of
1:05:48
Speaker 1: whom came from disadvantaged families, were tasked with finding friends
1:05:53
Speaker 1: for Epstein. Again, when you're a little girl, a little kid,
1:05:58
Speaker 1: a miner, there's a whole different instead of playing rules
1:06:01
Speaker 1: on the playing field, when you're an adult and you're
1:06:04
Speaker 1: bringing these girls in minors especially, come on, I don't
1:06:08
Speaker 1: have any remorse for that. But when Roberts learned that
1:06:16
Speaker 1: Oh Too had called herself a survivor of Epstein's, her
1:06:20
Speaker 1: response was unambiguous. I am never ever going to forgive
1:06:25
Speaker 1: her and definitely do not consider her to be a victim,
1:06:28
Speaker 1: she wrote in a text message. And I land on
1:06:30
Speaker 1: the side of Virginia here with that. Now again just
1:06:34
Speaker 1: my opinion, but I don't look at Rena oh or
1:06:38
Speaker 1: any of these other recruiters or assistants or groomers as victims.
1:06:43
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I just can't do it. After all
1:06:45
Speaker 1: we have learned all that we know, and the fact
1:06:48
Speaker 1: that there is no remorse from most of these people,
1:06:52
Speaker 1: it just really makes me ill. Instead of remorse, it's
1:06:57
Speaker 1: trying to save face in dead and again, it's nobody
1:07:03
Speaker 1: accepting personal responsibility for their behavior. It's always somebody else's fault.
1:07:07
Speaker 1: It's always somebody else. Shartouni, who has received compensation from
1:07:15
Speaker 1: the victim's Fund said she has found some healing in
1:07:17
Speaker 1: the fact that O said she was sorry about the experience,
1:07:21
Speaker 1: and perhaps even a degree of solidarity with another woman
1:07:24
Speaker 1: who was caught up in Epstein's web. You don't know
1:07:27
Speaker 1: how much you can ask of people with this kind
1:07:29
Speaker 1: of situation, Chartuni said, they're all traumatized as well. And again, look,
1:07:36
Speaker 1: I think that it speaks volumes of the person that
1:07:40
Speaker 1: Miss Shartouni is to even begin to think about forgiveness.
1:07:45
Speaker 1: But I will say that it goes a long way.
1:07:48
Speaker 1: Carrying the burden of resentment, carrying the burden of anger,
1:07:53
Speaker 1: carrying the burden of revenge is a heavy burden to carry.
1:08:00
Speaker 1: So if you're able to shed all of that weight
1:08:04
Speaker 1: from yourself and forgive people like miss Shartuni is seemingly
1:08:10
Speaker 1: doing here, or at the very least finding some you know,
1:08:14
Speaker 1: ground where you're able to at least move on from
1:08:19
Speaker 1: what occurred at least a little bit, then that's certainly
1:08:23
Speaker 1: a huge, huge compliment to the person who Miss Shartooni is.
1:08:27
Speaker 1: Because I have to tell you, folks, I wouldn't be
1:08:29
Speaker 1: able to do it. I'm a vengeful type of MF
1:08:33
Speaker 1: and I hold a grudge when it comes to something
1:08:36
Speaker 1: like this, So it really goes to show the sort
1:08:43
Speaker 1: of character, the sort of person the Miss Shartooni is
1:08:46
Speaker 1: in a situation like this, after all that has occurred,
1:08:49
Speaker 1: all that has happened to her, she is still willing
1:08:52
Speaker 1: to try and see the forest through the trees. And
1:08:55
Speaker 1: it just shows you how amazing not only Miss Shartooni is,
1:08:59
Speaker 1: but the other survivors, after all they went through, after
1:09:04
Speaker 1: all that they have suffered. It's not about for it's
1:09:08
Speaker 1: not about revenge. It's about justice, healing and being able
1:09:14
Speaker 1: to move on all right, folks. That concludes episode four
1:09:21
Speaker 1: of Are The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein's series by
1:09:26
Speaker 1: Tara Paulmery. The next episode will be tomorrow morning and
1:09:34
Speaker 1: we will pick up right where we left off. If
1:09:39
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