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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 4 · Green and Gold Brothers

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place for all things Packers related.
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• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to episode four of the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a while.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: Not a whole lot has been going on.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're kind of in that off-season purgatory, you know, there's not a boring time.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there hasn't been a whole lot of news.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: But uh yeah, welcome back.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: We're excited to be back in the saddle.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: And for the foreseeable future here, we're kind of looking at getting to that point where we're gonna have an episode for you guys almost every week.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, that's the plan.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: So we're excited about that.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Hope you guys are too.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so let's just start it off here.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Training camp is here.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we got a few more days, and we're kicking everything off.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, July 27th, rookies report.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: And the following day, the 28th, the Vets Report, and then 29th is our first official Green Bay Packers training camp.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that sounds awesome! So we're here.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: We made it through.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, let's just hop into episode four here.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: The big thing that just happened last week, the Devontae Wyatt extension came in.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we knew it was probably gonna happen, wasn't sure what the details of it were gonna be, but we've got official numbers now.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's a three-year extension,$57 million,$20 million signing bonus for the the big man in the middle, Devontae Wyatt.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was a little surprised that uh they got him done before Tucker, but uh I think it had a little bit to do with just kind of um cap structure and then uh you know getting him essentially out of the way so that you can talk a little bit more solid numbers with with Tucker.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: But uh back to Devontae Wyatt, though.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I like this.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he has been very disruptive and a very, very good player when he's been on the field.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, one of the things that is most important is availability.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: So as long as he can kind of hopefully buck that a little bit, uh, we we are looking at a pretty pretty friendly contract, in my opinion.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's less than 20 a year for a guy who has Pro Bowl talent.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, last year he was trending towards his best year as a pro.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: Injuries kind of got in the way there on Thanksgiving against the Lions, but I mean he's proven they picked up this fifth-year option last year, so I mean it was kind of he knew it was gonna come.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: They were really interested in bringing him back, and I think I think he's got a very high ceiling.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's gonna just hop right back in and he's gonna be he's gonna he's gonna take off where he left off last season, I think, in my opinion.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with that.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm very excited to see actually all of the defensive linemen in Jonathan Gannon's system, uh, how he's gonna be able to use them.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think a prime example is ironically enough, Javon Hargrave.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he was with Gannon in Philly and had double-digit sacks as a nose tackle, which is insane.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then leaves Gannon and kind of goes back to just sort of your space, you know, space eater guy that just takes up blocks and he doesn't really have a whole lot of tackles uh in Minnesota with with Brian Flores over there, but getting him back with Gannon again is got something that I'm I'm really excited about.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then obviously the way that he was able to use him, uh kind of having that same type of vision for Wyatt.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if either of them are even sniffing double-digit sacks, we are gonna be in really good shape.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: And just Wyatt's ability to play the run and you know, rush the passer, it's huge.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm just excited.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad they got them done.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: And hopefully Tucker's done here in the next couple weeks.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_02: I would think they want to get it done before regular season kickoff, and I think they will.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's pretty much, in my mind, I feel like the numbers are pretty much all drawn up.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: Both sides are in agreement.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a matter of when they're gonna put pen to paper and get it done.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you're right.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think so too.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think uh this is something that both sides definitely want to make happen.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just gonna be, you know, who blinks first.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, both sides are trying to do what's best for them, but at the end of the day, I think they both know how important, honestly, each other are.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Tucker's important to the Packers, and I think he's he's publicly said how important Green Bay is.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this offseason he said that he wants to be in Green Bay forever.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the only place he wants to play.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully they can make that happen.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh next thing we'll hop into here right away.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: We both came up with a top five list of players to watch I'm sorry, most five most important players to stay healthy going into training camp and the regular season.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um so one thing, let me interrupt you there for a sec.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was looking at this yesterday and we actually we had this conversation.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when we say healthy, that's kind of with the idea in mind of like 15 games, uh just doing a little quick research.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: Since they've gone to a 17-game season, less than 20% of players in the entire NFL have played all 17 games.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: So realistically, playing every week is not gonna be uh a very achievable goal necessarily.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you know, your quarterbacks are probably guys that are able to, and there's certain positions that are a little bit easier to stay healthy throughout the year, but realistically, you need to have depth.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: Guys are gonna get banged up.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: It is a violent, violent sport, and it's it takes a toll on your body.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: So they they need to have the depth.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: But with that being said, there are some players that we hope can get at least I would say 13 to 15 would be perfect.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: That that would be great.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean a couple of guys on my list are guys that you know haven't or at least one of the guys on my list hasn't missed really many games, but when he's not a hundred percent, you can tell.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: So I I guess let's just hop right into it.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: We you you can go first if you want.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, um, this isn't in necessarily any particular order.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have Lucas Van Es.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, he's a guy that hasn't really stayed healthy, but it really felt like last year he was starting to put it together, and then guess what?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: He got hurt again.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's unfortunate.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully he's a guy that can figure something out.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's had some fluky ones even last year.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of, you know, it's not like he's he's getting soft tissue injuries or he's got a recurring hamstring or something.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's stuff he got stepped on, he got rolled up on, like stuff that just just happens.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um but he's he's a a big one, obviously, especially to start the year.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we need him, I mean, until Micah's back, we need L VN to to basically play every snap, in my opinion.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were not healthy at the same time we were talking about that uh a little bit ago.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think you're 100% right.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if if L Vien can stay healthy for a majority of the season, there's gonna be some some big things towards the end of the season, I mean, numbers wise for him.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: And speaking of that, I uh I wanted to make a bold claim on on him.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think if if Lucas Van Ness can play at least fourteen to fifteen games this year, he will have double digit sacks.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say twelve.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go twelve.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if if he's healthy all year long.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think we we kind of saw it last year where he you could feel he was starting to put it together.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: He looked like he had a much better variety of moves, um, whether it was power to speed or speed to power, it was you know, knocking the hands.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: He he just he looked a lot more comfortable and he looked a lot more destructive, um disruptive, and he he just kind of you know he he hit that injury and then it took him a little bit to get back, but even even then he may have been our best player in Chicago last year in the playoff game.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: I agree with that for sure.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll see.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I think in my opinion, 12 is a little high for a guy who hasn't I don't think he's had more than five in a season.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: You're probably right, but put it all together.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: I could see him getting somewhere between eight to ten, and I mean I would take that Micah's back.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, who knows what they're gonna do.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I mean I I hope he can get that, and I'm I'm rooting for it too.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's exciting.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully he stays healthy.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I guess I'll give my first guy on the list.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, same as Cody, in no particular order, I guess.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of did a little bit, but um Javon Bullard is mine.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: He hasn't missed a ton of time, but when he's not out there, you can tell they're they're missing him.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think this guy's got a crazy high ceiling.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's a great tackler, he's good at cleaning up plays in the backfield, he's good at blowing up screen passes.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just watch his highlight reels.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of it is just a quick instinct reaction.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: He explodes like a bullet, and he's in the backfield in less than a second.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: And um, we need that.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, just a big player, in my opinion.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's that's kind of my thoughts on him.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: So how about that safety class from three years ago?
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Insane.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Insane to get Evan Williams and Bullard.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right, next on on my list, uh, we we touched on this guy already a little bit, Devontae Wyatt.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I again I think what we talked about at the beginning, I mean, this guy is has all-star, not all-star, pro bowl potential uh when he's healthy.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: He is very disruptive, and there's there's games where he's unblocked, but he's gotta stay healthy and put it all together.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: Last year after he went out, I mean, that's kind of when the defensive line started shuffling with a lot of no-name, you know, undrafted guys having to step up, and credit to them, they did their best, but you could tell kind of like I'd mentioned with Bullard, when Wyatt went out, things just weren't the same anymore.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: That was when we uh, you know, quit stopping the run.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: As soon as he which he's honestly, he's sort of a middle of the road to above average only run defender.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think his his value really is as a pass rusher from the inside, but obviously he makes a big difference because yeah, he went out and the things just looked ugly.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so next on my list, I think maybe you have him on your list too.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: And if you do, you can just hash it out here.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Christian Watson.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um I did, but that's all right.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: I can't really bring it up enough how important he is.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everybody knows all of Packer Nation realizes how important this guy is to the team, and injuries have been a thing, but we're gonna move past that.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: We we got his extension done, so uh just gonna mention now he's got that shiny new extension.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: So um, it's just so important for the deep threat aspect, you know, opening up the opposing team's defense, you know, even if he's a decoy out there on some of those routes.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Took the words right out of my mouth.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say that.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like he he affects the offense, or I guess you could say the defense just being on the field.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: His ability as a blocker, I mean, his ability of Matt LaFleur's system, he's been there through the whole thing, pretty much the whole time that LaFleur's been there for the most part.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, this guy's extremely important to keep him healthy, and um not really much more for me to say on it, but he's another guy.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not gonna throw any actual numbers out, but he's a guy that I think if if he can get 14 to 15 games out of him, he's gonna have the best year that the a Packers receiver has had in quite a while.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, we're talking over a thousand yards, double-digit touchdowns potentially.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: So for sure.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: My next one, this is a guy who you may or may not know because he's only played one about series in his entire career.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Marshawn Lloyd.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think this year, more than ever now, it is absolutely vital that he is able to put his stuff behind him.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: See, this is the kind of injuries I was talking about that are different than LVN's.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Marshawn Lloyd has had basically recurring hamstring since he got drafted.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's something that really, you know, he hasn't necessarily done anything to it per se, like to actually to hurt it at the time.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's just kind of one of those things.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I think he put in a lot of time and effort and resources into getting this figured out in the offseason.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so far, I mean, he made it through OTAs.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: He he made it.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: So we're already looking better.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the the lack the lack of depth, maybe not lack of depth, but just unknown depth at the running back position.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna mention that too.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's so important with this position because I mean, number one, obviously he's missed so much time, so he's gotta be on this list that we're making.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: But if he can't play, we're kind of in a pinch at the running back position.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: We're down to Chris Brooks, who is very serviceable.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: He is a phenomenal pass blocker.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: He is he is top three pass blocking running backs in the NFL.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, no question about it.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: But he doesn't give you a whole lot in the run game, and typically, at least last year, and maybe they're gonna tweak that because they they probably saw it too.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: But when he was in the game, you knew it was a pass.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you're kind of telegraphing your your play in that regard.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: So you you need a little bit of disguise or just variety when it comes to that.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, I agree.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: I the second we drafted Marshawn Lloyd, I got excited and you know, started looking at his college highlights and kind of started putting two and two together.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, him and the NFL, him and Matt LaFleur's system, this is gonna be insane.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: And we just we haven't gotten it, so yeah, I think that's that's a perfect guy to have on this list.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of I tortured myself a little bit and really paid attention to him during OTAs, and man, does he look twitchy?
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so next guy on my list here, I have Zach Tom.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, once again, kind of like my last guy I had, Christian Watson, super, super important.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: This guy's he's uh he's an all-pro right tackle if he's playing a full season.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Or he has the ability to be an all-pro bowler, super important, probably our best offensive linemen that we have on the team.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: And once again, you saw it last year when he wasn't in the game.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: We struggled on that right side.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: We had to put guys like Jordan Morgan out there, uh, Darien Kennard.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: We tried to piece it together, and it's that was one of the rougher offensive line seasons that I think I have ever witnessed in in my time watching the Packers.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we were just talking about that before we turn the mics on.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: That typically the the Packers' offensive line is, I mean, in the the Fav and Rogers years, a lot of them, it was the same five almost every snap for the entire season.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, you talk about having two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, that's where it starts.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is absolutely where it starts.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I had Zach Khan on my list as well, so I went from five to three.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna come up with a new guy.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think Zaire Franklin is another one.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna be really interested to see how he runs the defense.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they've already come out and said that he's gonna be the guy with the green dot, which for those of you who don't know, that means he's gonna be the guy communicate, not communicating, but getting the play call in from from Jonathan Gannon and then relaying that to the players uh for for the play call.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's gonna be whenever whenever you have injury concerns with that particular player on defense, it's tough.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you have to compare it to losing your quarterback because that's essentially what it is.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: The the guy's calling the plays, he's getting everybody lined up right.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think he, you know, people were saying that he had a down year last year, which I just looked before we started this.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: He still had 125 tackles.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: And a couple force fumbles and a couple sacks.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like the guy is still very, very productive.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so I I am very excited to to see what he can bring to the to the team.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um I love his uh social media presence so far and just his full 100% embrace of Wisconsin and Green Bay, and just he is already loving being a Packer, which is really cool to see.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, I agree with you.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I mean the last couple years of Quay Walker, you know, he kind of dealt with his own injuries too.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: So and that showed as well.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, obviously, everybody.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, having a guy in the middle there that's kind of running the defense, getting everybody aligned.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's important that he stays healthy and uh definitely looking forward to what he can do in Green Bay.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, next guy on my list, I have Aaron Banks.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, pretty much from the time that we signed him, you know, he's had injuries non-stop, it seems like.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even going into OTAs to start this year, I think he was dealing with some injuries again.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm wrong on that, but um I feel like I don't know if they ever actually said it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think that may have been slightly precautionary with him just because still relating to injuries, though.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, right, you don't want to throw him out there, and you know, next thing you know, come training camp, he's still got some nagging issues from OTAs.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of what it felt like happened last year.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, okay, yeah, that he's got this little back problem, but we're not gonna worry about it too bad.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that lingered most of the year.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I have high hopes for him.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I still don't think we've seen him a hundred percent towards the end of last year.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think he was kind of finally getting ramped up and started playing better.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: He did start playing a lot better.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if we could get what he was when he was with the 49ers, I think we're gonna be in a really good spot.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: So hopefully he kicked the injury bug and hopefully he just stays healthy for even like you said, even if he plays 15 games and he's 80 to 90 percent, I think we're gonna be in a really good spot.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's a guy on my list that I'm looking forward to uh a full healthy season from him, hopefully.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: If you didn't notice, that is two offensive linemen that we've picked.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and again, with how just crazy unstable it was last year.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we were trying to figure out some of the combinations that we that the Packers used, and we couldn't even figure them all out because it was just insane how many there were.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so the the overall health of the offensive line I think is going to be vitally important and probably the most important, to be honest, on the whole team.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: I would agree.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: As far as a position group.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: And if if they can stay healthy and have some continuity, uh, we're gonna see a much improved unit.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: So then my fifth player, we'll just uh we'll we'll take the easy one, the layup here, uh Jordan Love.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Love hasn't played a full season since he's been a starter, he's missed a couple games here and there.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing overly concerning in my opinion, but a guy that talented needs to play.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when Jordan Love steps on the field, in in our opinion, I think is pretty pretty shared opinion, the dude is elite.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Top five, in my opinion.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: He he needs to be on the field, and when he steps on the field, you have a chance to win.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: So if if he can figure out to figure out a way to sort of avoid some of those fluky, you know, getting rolled up on or hitting a guy's helmet or just the stupid injuries that quarterbacks get, if if he can avoid those, I think we'll be in good shape.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm I'm with you 100% there.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh quarterback's the most important position out there.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it is.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, 100%.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's not breaking news, obviously.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very obvious thing, but yeah, there's not really much more for me to say on that.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we need Jordan out there every single snap of offense.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um he means so much to the team, and the concussion issues last year was one thing, and you know, the year before that, it was first game of the season, he got rolled up on and lower body injury.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: It took him a while to kind of finally get back, and I don't even I don't even think he was a hundred percent happy.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: And that was his better year.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I give credit to him.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, those all these players, what they go through on a week to week basis, day to day, you know, game to game.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's exactly it's like getting getting in a car crash and a lot of these collisions every Sunday and almost every play.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, for some of them.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, so credit to them, and uh yeah, we just we need Jordan Love to stay as clean as possible, and like you had mentioned before, it comes down to the offensive line staying healthy.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: So the the reason that we uh are really focusing on um some of the health here, the last four teams last year, so both championship games and then the teams that ultimately played in in the Super Bowl, they they were the healthiest.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: And there is data out there.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't have it in front of me, so I'm not gonna bore you with that, but there's there's clear data that shows that your Super Bowl champions are not always the most talented, they are almost always the healthiest.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, healthiest, and you know, you look at a lot of the teams too that make it that far.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the coach is a big thing too, and they know how to manage the injuries, or you know, they have the depth there because you know they see these guys every day in practice, and yeah, definitely.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so my last guy here, uh Josh Jacobs, that was kind of what I was mentioning earlier.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he's missed a ton of time since he's been with the Packers.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe a game.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: He'll play when he's unhealthy, but I mean he's not getting that full full snap count.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: He's definitely limited.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: And we all saw it last year towards the end of the season, he was pretty banged up.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: He was playing through a lot of stuff and uh behind a battle line too.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, and it just it he's so important to the team too.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's my last guy that needs to stay healthy, and um who knows what's gonna happen.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, him and you brought up Marshawn Lloyd earlier.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: The the running back room is so important because there's not depth there, and I'm not gonna, you know, repeat all the stuff you said earlier, but yeah, Josh Jacobs is very important.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And if you haven't noticed, Matt LaFleur wants to run the ball.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know we have Jordan Love, and we just talked about how he is elite and is a you know professional thrower of the football in every regard.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: The offense is predicated on running the football because that sets up play action, that sets up deep shots on second and short.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like sets up short routes, you know, that the unexpected stuff.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because yeah, exactly.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, maybe it feels boring, but that is the foundation of this offense.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: And you can look at Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan who run similar systems, they want to run the ball.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, and those are three of the top five or ten offenses since all those guys have taken the reins.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it it works.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: So next year, since we got that uh list done of five most important players to stay healthy, we're gonna break down some players to watch, some rookies, some guys that need to step up, just some guys that we're excited to see as training camp starts here.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: So um, I guess I'll start it off.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: My first player to watch is uh Baron Sorell.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: Super excited for this guy.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's got all the talent in the world.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you saw it last year at the end of the season, you know, when he was getting more reps.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's explosive in the the run game and you know getting to the quarterback.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um just excited to see him in year two.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: His time with Micah.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, obviously, Micah's been grooming a lot of these guys, and he's been they've been working out together, and they've that's been cool to see.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they've been around, you know.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Year two is a big jump for this guy, and I think he's gonna get some starting snaps.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's gonna be huge, you know, throughout the whole season.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just I could definitely see them having a package uh that maybe isn't centered around him but absolutely gets him on the field in in rushing situations.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think I don't know if we talked about it on the last episode or if that was just us kind of you know having conversations, but I feel like uh a pretty fun uh formation that we could have on like a third and long would be to kick Sorrell and LVN inside and then have Micah and then whoever steps up as that you know, I guess early on backup and then essentially third kind of pass rusher, whether it's it's DDS or Colin Oliver or or maybe it's Devontae Wyatt.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you keep one of those guys I mentioned on the outside.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I think there's definitely gonna be some some creativity.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he he has a big opportunity.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think at least this is how I feel.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it's probably gonna be a a somewhat open competition for that uh edge rusher opposite L VN to start while Micah's on pup.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I think Sorrell is probably gonna be the guy that ends up taking it to to start.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: So that I mean he he has a huge opportunity to essentially, I mean, I I love him, but he he has an opportunity to make LVN expendable.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: They picked up his fifth-year option, but that doesn't mean he's here long term.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, it's I that's the tough thing with LVN.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: I believe in him, I like the guy a lot.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but every single year the narrative has been like this is gonna be the year for LVN.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is gonna be his time, and then there's injuries, and then there's you know, just situations where he's not out there as much as he should be.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so, I mean, I'm an LVN believer.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: I hope he can put it together this season, and um, I I don't know, we'll see.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Just the fact that all these guys have been, you know, there in the system for at least a couple years, and I'm excited.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited for LVN, I'm excited for Baron Sorrell.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Colin Oliver's a guy.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um I loved Colin Oliver coming out of college.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he was gonna be a sneaky steal.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he still could be.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he didn't play.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: He he was hurt last year, kind of had a a hammy and some other things, and then just kind of depth overall.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't didn't really get a chance to show a lot up until the Minnesota game, really.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: But when he played in the Minnesota game, he kind of flashed.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he looked very well.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's a guy that's got uh some some potential to maybe play a little bit off ball and just sort of be a uh a rover almost on defense and and do a handful of things.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's ironically not one of my breakout players.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: We'll uh we'll jump to mine, uh what my first one.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: We'll stick to to defense since we were talking about it.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think Edrin Cooper.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think again, hate to you know keep beating a dead horse, but I think with Micah out for that first probably six weeks, they're talking, maybe more.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully it's only six, we'll see.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: But uh with him on the sideline early on, I think they are gonna get creative with Cooper too.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've seen some stuff.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: They haven't obviously they're not gonna come out and tell you what they're gonna do, but why not?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: They're maybe that's what they have been doing.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's why they've struggled.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think having him as a chess piece uh when he rushed the passer as a rookie, his win rate was off the charts.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: He had so many tackle for losses, too.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean the game that specifically sticks out in my mind was Minnesota.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think he had three or four tackles for loss in that game, and he was all over the field.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: So the best part about that, too.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that game was teach tape.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like it wasn't just oh, you know, he was in the right place at the right time.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: He he moved from where he was.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're you know, we you know this by now.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're some football nerds here, like watching film on that.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: He absolutely had read the play, shot the gap, and made the play in the in the backfield.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't just sheer luck.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was it was truly him sort of coming out at that time.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I think I think for that first month or so you're gonna see him rush the passer a little bit more.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he he didn't do that as much last year.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was just looking at this earlier.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: He he graded better at everything he did this past season, but he wasn't as flashy, so it kind of felt like he maybe took a step back.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: He he definitely didn't.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: He was better in coverage.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he I think he may have had a couple more missed tackles, but other than that, I mean he was he was still very solid.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm excited to see him, you know, with uh addition of Zaire Franklin now, kind of just letting Zaire run the defense, kind of do what he's asked to do, and you know, kind of just letting Edrin Cooper kind of go play football.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, just read the play, react on your instincts, get in the backfield if you have to, clean up some tackles if you have to, run some zone, maybe pick off a few passes here and there, you know.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe maybe a pick six is in his feature.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean be nice if we could get one.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we need we need more turnovers this year.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'll stick on defense too for my next player to watch.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I had uh I had to erase who I originally had here.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um Javon Bullard, I brought it up earlier with the injuries.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: I love this guy.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm super excited for him.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Just his ability.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna spend a whole lot of time on this because I kind of hyped him up earlier, but just his ability to get in the backfield, make the tackles.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he he's a play wrecker, he plays aggressive.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: I like a guy like that that's not afraid to freaking just put his helmet right in your gut or you know, just the aggressive mentality that he has.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: I love that we took multiple guys at the same position, and they both have forced their way onto the field.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: They've their play.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: They've worked their things out and they've kind of just found their spot.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Williams is Evan Williams is the perfect safety.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he compliments X, great, and he the things he does well are maybe some of the things that Bull doesn't do as well, and vice versa.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: And worst case scenario, if Evan Williams goes down, you got Bullard who you can move back and take over for Evan Williams.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: They did have to do that last year for a couple games, I think it was.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, those are my two players to watch.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: What do you got for your second guy?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: My second one is a guy I don't know if I could be more excited about a player, Matthew Golden.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think they are definitely going to benefit from addition by subtraction in the wide receiver room.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it kind of sucked to lose Romeo and and Wicks and guys that have been here, you know, that they've been reliable players.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: There were just too many mouths to feed.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: They yeah, they cleared the path for these guys to just eat now.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Just before there was a lot of who's our number one?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we have five.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there were a lot of mouths to feed, and now I think they've got their four guys or three guys for sure that are gonna be out there majority of the time.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, your your first series, it's gonna be Christian Watson and obviously, depending on the formation, it's gonna be Jaden Reed and Matthew Golden.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: Those guys are gonna be the guys that are on the field.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm excited for it.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Finally, it it's it's it's his time to shine.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think so too.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think people were a little bummed, and I mean it's it's easy to feel that way.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: We finally take a first round receiver for the first time in forever.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's the Packers' way though.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about that many times.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed, and it I think it's gonna pay off big time, and it could be as soon as this year.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have any predictions on yards or touchdowns for him, but it's it's gonna be exciting.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's gonna be a lot of explosive plays.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: He's going for 2,000.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: 2 3,000.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: 3,000.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm kidding.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: But no, I'm just yeah, overall, I think that's a perfect guy.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect player to watch.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, excited for that.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, next we're gonna um pick a few guys who, in our opinion, need to step their game up.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, guys that are important to the team, guys that you know didn't have a great season last year, that it's just very crucial.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's time.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's time, yes.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, my first guy I got is Keyshawn Nixon.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he's got a lot of high upside, but he's also had a lot of bone-headed plays, and just a few times where he's given up on a play, or you know, he gets frustrated and commits a stupid penalty, costs us 15 yards.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: So um he wanted to be cornerback one.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: He those words came out of his mouth.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be the cornerback one.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let's let's prove it.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's time to prove it.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Put your money where your mouth is.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, we'll see what happens if he has a big year.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: I could see a contract extension for him at the end of the season.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard to say because he's at that age where I don't know if he's gonna get a second contract or he's gonna get that new contract with Green Bay, but if he goes out and he puts up good numbers and he's that locked down cornerback, what he doesn't even need to be locked down, he needs to be serviceable, you need to be smart, you can't be committing stupid penalties, you can't be giving up on plays.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's where I'm at with Keyshawn Nixon.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say that's uh a pretty accurate statement there.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um just be smart, yeah.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Just do your job.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's I part of me is curious about uh I I don't know that I've officially seen it, but I have definitely seen some things that have talked about him potentially holding out.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: He wants to get a new contract.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I I don't know how I feel about that.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm with you.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I think he's he's good enough to be a guy that plays for us.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not saying we just you know show him the door, but if he is going to to threaten to hold out and and do all that fun stuff, yeah, then we can show him the door because I don't think he has the right to hold out.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's a whole nother conversation for a different day.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: It really irks me when players hold out, and there are certain guys that I think have the right to do it.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Jordan did it a couple years ago.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: It he held in though, he was there in practice every day.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and maybe Keyshawn would too, I don't know.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: But um, like I said, conversation for a different day on the whole holding out thing.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: But just yeah, Keyshawn, you need to step up.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: We need you.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we've been waiting.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: We've been waiting for it, so just do your job, be smart, and that's that's all I'm asking for.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I I agree with that on him.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um my first one is uh it's it's sort of a combination.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's it's Aaron Banks.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think he he looked a lot better towards the end of the year.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think when he finally was starting to get healthy, you know, we don't have to touch on this a whole lot.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: We already basically have said this exact same thing, but he's he's a guy that if if we can get that level, we'll be a lot better off.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then again, just the offensive line in general.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think continuity is is a big part of that.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um you you can you've seen offensive lines in the NFL that maybe aren't the most talented or have the you know high dollar players, but if they play together a lot, eventually you learn the tendencies and you know what the guy next to you is gonna do, even if even if it's not scripted.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, okay, if this play gets busted, this guy's gonna make this move, so that means I have to make this move, and it ends up still working then because you guys are in sync.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I think health plays into that obviously because the continuity then allows you to to kind of get there.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're more comfortable.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you see it a lot of the times too, where if they send a blitz, or however the center will pass off on a guy, you know, and push him towards the guard, the guard needs to pick it, whatever, however, it works out.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's chemistry.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: If you can get all those guys, those five guys, playing in sync, knowing what the other's thinking, why they're doing it, and it's just natural.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's not you don't have to you don't have to think about it because the second you think that's when a mistake happens.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's super important.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: Aaron Banks, I mean, he he he's really good.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: He just needs to stay healthy, and I think he needs to step up too.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: I there's a lot of people that were upset with the contract that we gave him, and I mean it was it was the going rate though.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was we needed a guard, and he had proved that his time in San Francisco that he was the guard, he was the guy that we needed him to be.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, no, I think he's a good player, definitely on that list of guys that need to step up, and I hope he does.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, the last guy here that I have, Jordan Morgan, offense line again.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine that.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's kind of beating a dead horse here.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it's his time to shine.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's finally gonna have that starting role, like official, officially starting the season as our starting left tackle.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when he shows up on Tuesday, that's his job description.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're you are our you are our left tackle.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's your job.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: Go do it, be good at it.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: You were a first-round draft pick.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: There's been a lot of a lot of hype around him, you know, and a lot of people kind of, well, why do we draft him?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of a waste.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he's just not good.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he the last couple years, he's been right tackle, right guard, throw him in at left tackle.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like now you you are the guy.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I think he needs to step up.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: He needs to prove why he was a first round pick.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: And same as what I said for Nixon earlier.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there may be a contract extension waiting for Jordan Morgan at the end of the season if he well, I guess they could pick up the fifth year option in the future.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's gonna be absolutely can make himself some money there.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: There's some big money in the future waiting for him.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: I would I would agree with that.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: My next one is uh is Jaden Reed, actually.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh last year he was he was pretty banged up.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he had the foot and then broke his collarbone, so he missed a lot of time, which again, another guy that it showed when he was gone.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was just telling you earlier before that I was I've been watching a little bit of some some Jordan Love highlights and kind of some like snapback at the haters.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody was saying he's not good, and people are posting videos and stuff, and uh a lot of uh a lot of the highlights uh include Jaden Reed.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think he is an explosive piece of the offense and absolutely needs to to step up because while he was hurt, that obviously accounted for a lot of the time.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but at the same time, he came back, and I'm not gonna put the loss completely on him, but that playoff game, if he makes that catch, we at least have a shot.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 100%.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it was it was a flat drop.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: There there's a there's a world where he catches that and he scores.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: So to have it go right through his hands, and then we're looking at third and a mile, and it just it snowballed from there.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I I'm not basing this on one play.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he had a few few other drops, some some mental stuff going on this year for I mean Rust maybe played into it, but I think he's a guy that when I say needs to step up, I don't necessarily mean like he has been bad.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Just he is so important to us being good that I think he needs to be able to take that step and be that spark plug and be that guy that drives drives the big plays and and the the yards after catch and just the have a little bit of swagger.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean Watson is is your big play guy and he'll he'll get you chunks.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: And Golden, we haven't seen a whole lot yet because he really didn't play a ton last year.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: But Jaden Reed is that guy that can maybe get under your skin uh as a defender.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: He he seems like he's the guy that that, like I said, has a little bit of swagger, he's got a little bit of juice.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, getting that uh contract extension done was big for him too.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: Just uh get that out of his mind, you know, maybe it was lingering and he was kind of second guessing, and maybe he wasn't, but either or he's got to be more comfortable now, knowing he's gonna be there for the long run, and he's got his money taken care of, he's got his situation taken care of, and yeah, I think he needs to step up a little bit, and I'm excited to see what he can do.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so lastly, here we're gonna just wrap up on a couple rookies that we're excited for.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Brandon Cisei and uh Denai Dennis Sutton were my two guys.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um we don't know for sure what's gonna happen.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I could see Cisei starting starting the season.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: It depends on how training camp goes here.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: There's a couple position battles, you know, that are gonna be actively going on throughout training camp.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um Cise, great tackler, super excited for him.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think he's got the the mental part of the game locked down too.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's he's very smart.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'm super excited for him.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then Deny Dennis Sutton, that same kind of thing with the position battles on the edge rush, or on the edge with our edge rushers.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think Sutton's got all the abilities as well.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Not sure if he's gonna get opportunities to shine to start the regular season, but throughout training camp, he's gonna be thrown in there for sure.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: And he's gonna be playing with the walls, he's gonna play a lot of the preseason, most of it.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: So those are two two rookies that I'm excited for.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh just kind of touching on that, or building off of that, I should say.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing I said with Sorrell.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think with Micah being out, there is a monster opportunity for DDS.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's a guy that the Packers were just ecstatic that they were able to get in the fourth round.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think anybody had any idea that he was going to be there still.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great value for sure.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, he's a guy that all right, like, let's go and prove to all the people like you shouldn't have been there in the fourth round.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody should have taken you way before.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's definitely got that talent, so that opportunity is definitely there for him.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, my two guys are uh Chris McCarthy.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Clellan, uh, I think you're gonna see a new maybe not new, but more of a a rotating style of defensive line.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the Packers are pretty good at that anyway, but it's just with a new DC again, like it's it's hard to tell right now without having seen him call plays for for us, because it's been pretty exciting for him since day one, basically, to to kind of pound the table and say, hey, I I don't have a scheme.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: I coach to my players.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess we're gonna see what uh what he thinks of his players and and we'll see how that all kind of shakes out with how how he's rotating guys and the types of plays he's calling and stuff.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, it's gonna be exciting for sure.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think McClellan is a guy that they took him maybe a little higher than some people expected, but everything I've read, he he kind of tore up OTAs, and uh he he definitely has has some ability and and there's some opportunity there.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: So he'll he'll be a fun one to watch.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then my other one is a guy that I hate that we have to even talk about again, but I'm also really excited.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Trace Mack.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: So our new kicker, potentially, hopefully, most likely.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh sixth round pick, kicker out of Florida.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of had a little shaky OTAs, but I'm less than concerned about it.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I really I couldn't care less, to be honest with you.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was reading some stuff um after OTAs.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: I believe it was Ryan Longwell they were talking about, and just kind of looking at you know, certain mechanics.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: When guys come to Green Bay, they have to kind of adjust some of their mechanics because there's gonna be weather, there's certain things that come into it, and he's a young kid, yeah, he's a rookie, rookie kicker.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of pressure, especially for a team like us who we haven't had any sort of like legit um continuity at the position.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, so um there is some pressure on him.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: I believe in him.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it's gonna be interesting to see what actually happens.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I believe in Trace Mac.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: I like the guy, I do too.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that you kind of mentioned that, but I I couldn't agree more that the the pressure is absolutely real.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, this isn't uh 3-13 team who were just hoping to win five this year.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like we have legit Super Bowl aspirations, and I mean we don't want it to have to come down to a kicker again.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's been that for I don't know since Mason Crosby.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: Ten years.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I can't remember when Mason left for sure at the top of my head, but at least the last seven years, yeah, probably just struggling.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, multiple guys have come in, multiple draft picks, and nothing's nothing's ever worked out.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you get that glimpse of hope, and then it kind of crumbles right in front of your eyes in the playoffs when you need them the most.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm sick of it.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: But um, you just made me made me upset over old things.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's the reality of it.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, I think that kind of wraps up our episode today.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, kind of went through some position battles a little bit, and uh we can get more into that later.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, kind of excited.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um we're going to be at training camp.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, July 31st, we'll be there.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Cody and I are gonna take the trip to Green Bay and kind of get boots on the ground, firsthand look at some of the guys, and uh pretty excited about that, and then we'll get to come back and tell you what we saw and you know how we feel about certain things.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um should be a good time.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm looking forward to it.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little bit easier to see the guys sometimes in person rather than just your little you know, super grainy, like laggy videos of oh look at this touchdown.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Who is that guy?
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know what number that is, or just reading like updates on X, like play after play after play.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it's nice to just see it in person, and um, yeah, so we're excited about that.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: And uh like I said at the start of the episode, I think we're gonna kind of be pumping these episodes out weekly now, uh, most likely, and just looking forward to finally having football.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's back, baby.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's back.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_02: So um thanks for tuning in to episode four, and we appreciate you guys for listening.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, we'll see you soon.