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Lessons on Failing Forward w/ Matt Lashoff · Something Extra

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  Matt Lashoff: For me, I think leaving the game and being involved in the game,
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  Matt Lashoff: the the short answer is it's taught me everything.
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  Matt Lashoff: I think, you know, how to how to work in a locker room, how
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  Matt Lashoff: to be a brother, how to be a father, how to be a teammate,
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  Matt Lashoff: how to be, you know, have somebody's back, all of the things that kinda
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  Matt Lashoff: come with that.
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  Matt Lashoff: First and foremost, you learn how to handle adversity and you learn how to
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  Matt Lashoff: be a teammate through that adversity, which I think is, you know, first and
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  Matt Lashoff: foremost, a tran very transferable skill as you continue to move on with
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  Matt Lashoff: things throughout the rest of your life.
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  Lisa Nichols: It takes something a little more to lead with impact.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm Lisa Nichols, author of Something Extra, and this podcast
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  Lisa Nichols: Today, we are joined by Matt Lashoff, a former NHL defenseman
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  Lisa Nichols: who successfully bridged the gap between elite athletics and global sports
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  Lisa Nichols: business.
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  Lisa Nichols: Matt is also a musician and has released two albums.
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  Lisa Nichols: Today, he serves as a strategic leader with Oakview Group and the founder
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  Lisa Nichols: of Vesta Legacy Group, where he leverages his unique background in artistry
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  Lisa Nichols: and grit to develop world class sports facilities and legacy driven
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  Lisa Nichols: business ventures.
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  Lisa Nichols: Matt currently lives in Saint Louis with his wife, Kristen, and three children.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, Matt Lashoff, welcome to the Something Extra podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: I am so delighted that we can make this work today.
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  Matt Lashoff: Oh, same here.
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  Matt Lashoff: Thank you so much for having me.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
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  Lisa Nichols: We're gonna have fun.
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  Lisa Nichols: We're gonna have fun.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love to tell our listeners how I meet my guests.
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  Lisa Nichols: They're always like, how do you meet these people?
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  Lisa Nichols: And I have to just give a shout out to our mutual friends, Matt
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  Lisa Nichols: and Maria Granados.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yes.
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  Matt Lashoff: They're the best.
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  Matt Lashoff: They are the the ultra connectors and, obviously,
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  Matt Lashoff: faith based amazing people that we have in our lives.
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  Matt Lashoff: We're lucky enough to call them friends and, you know, obviously involved in a
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  Matt Lashoff: lot of different things going on in our lives with them and their families
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  Matt Lashoff: and and so fortunate to call them friends.
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  Matt Lashoff: So they're amazing, obviously.
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  Matt Lashoff: They always do this.
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  Matt Lashoff: They always they always make clash of worlds, which is awesome.
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  Lisa Nichols: I I agree.
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  Lisa Nichols: No.
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  Lisa Nichols: I just I love them.
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  Lisa Nichols: They are just I tell people all the time, they're the real deal.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: They really are.
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  Lisa Nichols: And so, we love you guys.
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  Lisa Nichols: And then, Matt, it's really funny because you and I have found other connections.
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  Lisa Nichols: So Jenny Hill, whom you've met, who is my I call her my second
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  Lisa Nichols: brain.
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  Lisa Nichols: Everybody needs a second brain.
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  Lisa Nichols: She's like, Lisa, I worked with Matt's wife, Kristen, at stages,
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  Lisa Nichols: and then we just hired another one of your friends in technology partners.
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  Lisa Nichols: So it's just it's so cool, isn't it, how
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  Matt Lashoff: It is.
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  Lisa Nichols: People are interrelated and interlaced.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's just yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I think it's beautiful, honestly.
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  Matt Lashoff: It it absolutely is.
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  Matt Lashoff: I mean, I I think we live in a special community here in Saint
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  Matt Lashoff: Louis.
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  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, me being an outsider and coming into it, it's been a
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  Matt Lashoff: unique experience just to kind of, you know, embed myself in and see,
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  Matt Lashoff: like, past lives start to to clash, in me from a sports
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  Matt Lashoff: angle and then outside of it and whatnot.
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  Matt Lashoff: It's been an amazing experience and, definitely a special place and
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  Matt Lashoff: special people for sure.
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  Lisa Nichols: I agree.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, Greg and I are originally from Kentucky.
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  Lisa Nichols: We were born and raised in Kentucky and were moved here, recruited here
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  Lisa Nichols: by McDonnell Douglas forty two years ago.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, Matt, it was funny because when we when we came to Saint Louis,
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  Lisa Nichols: we said, oh, we'll probably be here for two or three years and then
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  Lisa Nichols: move somewhere else.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, obviously, that has not happened because it is.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I think it's, just a really welcoming welcoming community.
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  Lisa Nichols: But to your point, you did not grow up here.
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  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: You grew up in East Greenbush, New York.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yes.
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  Matt Lashoff: I did.
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  Matt Lashoff: Little farm town outside of Albany, Upstate New York,
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  Matt Lashoff: nowhere connected to the city.
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  Matt Lashoff: I always have to kind of originate my, myself when we're talking about
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  Matt Lashoff: where East Greenbush is.
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  Matt Lashoff: But, yeah, a little small town, Upstate New York.
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  Matt Lashoff: You know, I had an amazing upbringing just outside all the time.
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  Matt Lashoff: You know, it was easy to play hockey up there because it was a
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  Matt Lashoff: lot of snow and a lot of ice and a lot of cold, but
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  Matt Lashoff: an amazing environment, very small community, you know, very
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  Matt Lashoff: rural environment.
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  Matt Lashoff: Lots of fun.
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  Matt Lashoff: Lots of fun.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I know that, your mom and dad were very
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  Lisa Nichols: instrumental.
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  Lisa Nichols: And in fact, you know, we're gonna talk about this, but you were an
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  Lisa Nichols: NHL you know, you were a hockey player, NHL hockey player.
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  Lisa Nichols: We're gonna talk more about that.
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  Lisa Nichols: But I loved reading this about you, Matt, that your dad
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  Lisa Nichols: built an ice rink in the backyard.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yes.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Matt Lashoff: It's great.
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  Matt Lashoff: You know what?
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  Matt Lashoff: I'm trying to carry on the same tradition here in Saint Louis.
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  Matt Lashoff: It's a little more difficult with the weather, but it was amazing up there.
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  Matt Lashoff: I mean, my parents, you know, were so instrumental just in in
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  Matt Lashoff: giving and allowing us to do whatever we wanted.
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  Matt Lashoff: My brother and I have got one other sibling and who is is lucky
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  Matt Lashoff: enough to play professional hockey as well, and and I think it all originated
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  Matt Lashoff: with exactly what you just mentioned.
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  Matt Lashoff: You know, my dad being crazy enough to to throw some water on, in
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  Matt Lashoff: the backyard and letting us just go, and we had access to all these
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  Matt Lashoff: different sports and for some crazy reason, just started to gravitate towards hockey.
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  Matt Lashoff: But, yeah, we're trying to carry on the tradition as much as we can
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  Matt Lashoff: here with the weather, but we've got the rink up in the backyard in
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  Matt Lashoff: in the wintertime, and it doubles as a sport court, shooting session,
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  Matt Lashoff: yoga studio, basketball court, and everything else in the wintertime or in
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  Matt Lashoff: the summertime.
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  Matt Lashoff: So it's quite fun.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: But you know what?
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  Lisa Nichols: To your point and then your dad, and I love this about you.
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  Lisa Nichols: And this is something I did not know.
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  Lisa Nichols: And even, like, Derek that had, that we just hired,
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  Lisa Nichols: he's like, oh, yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: He's a musician.
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  Lisa Nichols: He's a you know?
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  Lisa Nichols: So I've listened to some of your music.
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  Lisa Nichols: But the cool thing about it is, Matt, your dad your dad was
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  Lisa Nichols: a musician.
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  Lisa Nichols: And you said that you were around all these instruments all the time.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know what?
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  Lisa Nichols: It just makes me think, though, sometimes imagine
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  Lisa Nichols: if you had not had that access.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Matt Lashoff: I I feel a hundred percent.
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  Matt Lashoff: I, you know, I I think the other thing too with just our
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  Matt Lashoff: upbringing and our parents, the way that they they,
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  Matt Lashoff: taught us and allowed us to grow and expand was we were never
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  Matt Lashoff: really we were we had access to everything and we were open to everything,
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  Matt Lashoff: but we weren't really gravitated or pushed in any area.
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  Matt Lashoff: Right?
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  Matt Lashoff: So it was ours to explore every one of these things.
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  Matt Lashoff: You know, we had a very kind of, foundational artistic element
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  Matt Lashoff: in my household to your point with my dad being a musician, my mom
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  Matt Lashoff: having a very creative side.
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  Matt Lashoff: The sports was huge as well.
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  Matt Lashoff: And my dad played, you know, baseball at a very high level.
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  Matt Lashoff: My mom was always very athletic as well.
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  Matt Lashoff: They were not hockey people, not hockey players.
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  Matt Lashoff: There's no hockey in their background.
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  Matt Lashoff: But we were just in an environment growing up where, you know, like I
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  Matt Lashoff: said, it was very rural.
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  Matt Lashoff: There wasn't much to do.
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  Matt Lashoff: And we had access to, you know, everything from a sporting perspective,
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  Matt Lashoff: and an artistic and music perspective, and we were supported very heavily in
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  Matt Lashoff: that nature.
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  Matt Lashoff: Like you said, my my dad was a musician.
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  Matt Lashoff: He played in, you know, garage bands and bar bands for a very long
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  Matt Lashoff: time, so I was around that from the beginning, you know, sitting on
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  Matt Lashoff: amplifiers and CDL bars and watching my dad play
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  Matt Lashoff: late late late into the night.
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  Matt Lashoff: But it was amazing.
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  Matt Lashoff: It was an and and it grew to be an awesome outlet for me,
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  Matt Lashoff: through my entire life, right, just from a a writing and a creative outlet
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  Matt Lashoff: perspective and then, obviously, an outlet away from what ultimately ended up
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  Matt Lashoff: becoming my day job for a little bit, which was professional sports.
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  Matt Lashoff: So, yeah, an amazing environment and upbringing just to have access and
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  Matt Lashoff: just to be, you know, allowed to to grow in these lanes
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  Matt Lashoff: that we ended up gravitating towards.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well and we're gonna talk about that.
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  Lisa Nichols: But I know you're really involved in the community and mentoring and that sort
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  Lisa Nichols: of thing, Matt.
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  Lisa Nichols: And,
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  Lisa Nichols: you know, it does make me just thank goodness, you know,
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  Lisa Nichols: more children need access.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's access.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: Because you don't know what could be unlocked in them if they have the
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  Lisa Nichols: access to, you know, all of these things.
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  Lisa Nichols: But I I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: So, you know, you left home at the age of fourteen.
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  Lisa Nichols: Woah.
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  Lisa Nichols: To pursue hockey.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, what what kind of things did that do internally for you?
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, were you do you think you were mentally and emotionally prepared
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  Lisa Nichols: to leave home at the age of fourteen?
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  Matt Lashoff: Absolutely not.
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  Matt Lashoff: No.
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  Matt Lashoff: I think I'm still, I'm still, getting over some of
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  Matt Lashoff: those things.
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  Matt Lashoff: But I'll tell you what, it it it again, just the supportive
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  Matt Lashoff: environment that I was around, I think, gives you and gives kids
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  Matt Lashoff: the confidence that anything is is allowed and able to be accomplished.
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  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
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  Matt Lashoff: If I had right?
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  Matt Lashoff: And so I think at the the time, I I do remember it, and
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  Matt Lashoff: we're reliving this right now with my own son who's about to take his
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  Matt Lashoff: journey on to the next stage of hockey around a similar age.
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  Matt Lashoff: And I think the biggest thing that that my wife and I have always
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  Matt Lashoff: talked about is, you know, you have to allow them to have the confidence
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  Matt Lashoff: to feel that they can do this.
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  Matt Lashoff: And there's going to be challenges and things are gonna be hard, but if
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  Matt Lashoff: the support's cast and the support system is there, then you truly
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  Matt Lashoff: believe that you always have the the bedrock to be able to continue to
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  Matt Lashoff: fail forward and to continue to grow, then you've got the resources and the
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  Matt Lashoff: protection there.
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  Matt Lashoff: And that was me.
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  Matt Lashoff: It was not easy.
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  Matt Lashoff: But I knew my parents and my family and my brother, were
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  Matt Lashoff: there.
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  Matt Lashoff: And it allowed and gave me the confidence to even feel I was ready
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  Matt Lashoff: to step into that.
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  Matt Lashoff: The false the false sense of security that was definitely there, which I think
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  Matt Lashoff: is, you know, that's part of the upbringing.
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  Matt Lashoff: Right?
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  Matt Lashoff: It's part of the process, which is great.
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  Lisa Nichols: Is this Ryder?
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  Matt Lashoff: This is Ryder.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: This is Ryder that's getting ready to take his journey.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, let's talk about this, Matt, because in a similar vein,
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm really I can identify.
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  Lisa Nichols: I I grew up doing music my whole entire life and, you know,
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  Lisa Nichols: excelling in, academics.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: Talk about this a little bit where performance and
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  Lisa Nichols: what you do sometimes can become your identity.
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  Lisa Nichols: Did you struggle with it at all?
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  Lisa Nichols: Did you struggle at all with this performance?
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm worthy if I perform correctly.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, talk about this a little bit.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Matt Lashoff: A hundred percent.
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  Matt Lashoff: I think, you know, it's it's super interesting, I think,
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  Matt Lashoff: going through it now as a parent, and seeing it from fifty thousand
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  Matt Lashoff: feet a little from a little different landscape and, you know, you realize
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  Matt Lashoff: how much you learned.
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  Matt Lashoff: And I I joke with a bunch of the players, that I talked to,
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  Matt Lashoff: former teammates and whatnot now.
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  Matt Lashoff: I'm like I'm like, if you if we could only zoom out in the
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  Matt Lashoff: middle of all of this, I think all of the chaos and the stress
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  Matt Lashoff: and some of the pressure that we end up putting on ourselves would, you
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  Matt Lashoff: know, be viewed in a very different light.
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  Matt Lashoff: But, to your point, I think any athlete at a certain stage of their
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  Matt Lashoff: growth within that sport, reaches a precipice
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  Matt Lashoff: of when, your performance is very tied to how you're feeling
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  Matt Lashoff: on a day to day basis.
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  Matt Lashoff: It's not or at least it should not be, and I think is a
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  Matt Lashoff: problem in youth sports now today is it should never touch even remotely
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  Matt Lashoff: close, to that when you are growing up and playing these sports.
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  Matt Lashoff: And and truly, the goal is that it never gets to that level even
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  Matt Lashoff: when you're playing professional because, and getting paid for it because, you know,
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  Matt Lashoff: then you're playing free and you're playing for the passion of the game and
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  Matt Lashoff: you're you're allowing things, you know, to ultimately, you know,
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  Matt Lashoff: transpire the way that they need to.
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  Matt Lashoff: But naturally, there's different pressures that get put on it and, you know, you're
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  Matt Lashoff: in an environment that is, you know, constantly judged
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  Matt Lashoff: from every different angle and and and every different way, shape, or form.
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  Matt Lashoff: And and those pressures and that stress end up falling on you and and
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  Matt Lashoff: and really the the most detrimental piece of it, and I think any athlete
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  Matt Lashoff: is is ultimately always been there, is predicating
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  Matt Lashoff: your performance on who you are as a person.
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  Matt Lashoff: And and I the goal is is how fast can you get out
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  Matt Lashoff: of that?
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  Matt Lashoff: Then how do you accomplish being able to get to the other side of
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  Matt Lashoff: that, you know, that that mountain, if you will.
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  Matt Lashoff: So, it's a struggle with every athlete, I would say, in
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  Matt Lashoff: in in every, you know, high performer ultimately, right, is is how
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  Matt Lashoff: do you battle that, you know, mentality of what does
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  Matt Lashoff: your performance mean and how do you ultimately accomplish the goals that you're trying
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  Matt Lashoff: to accomplish.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: No.
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  Lisa Nichols: I cannot agree more.
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  Lisa Nichols: And to your point, it's not just athletes.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Any high performer, it's like, oh, this is who I am.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, no.
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  Lisa Nichols: This is what you do.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: But it's not necessarily who you are.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, so, you know, I I don't think
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  Lisa Nichols: people probably most people don't really understand,
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  Lisa Nichols: like, at your level.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I think you were you were first round,
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  Lisa Nichols: draft pick by the Boston Bruins, and this is about, what, two thousand five,
• 13:42
  Lisa Nichols: two thousand six, something like that, Matt.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yep.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, that tell me about that moment.
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  Lisa Nichols: Tell me about that moment when you were, you know, when you found out
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  Lisa Nichols: that you were drafted.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, how how did you feel inside?
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  Matt Lashoff: I I mean, it was surreal.
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  Matt Lashoff: You know?
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  Matt Lashoff: For real?
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Matt Lashoff: I mean, I think, you know, I grew up in a very,
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  Matt Lashoff: different place than than a lot of, hockey players
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  Matt Lashoff: do.
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  Matt Lashoff: Not a lot came out of that area is what I mean by that.
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  Matt Lashoff: We didn't have a whole lot to,
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  Matt Lashoff: rationalize what that meant.
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  Matt Lashoff: The only connectivity that I had to professional sports was
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  Matt Lashoff: the TV.
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  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, at the time, you could only get regional games and, obviously,
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  Matt Lashoff: you know, hockey started to get a little bit more national at the time
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  Matt Lashoff: through ESPN and whatnot.
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  Matt Lashoff: But that was that was all I had to be able to to to
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  Matt Lashoff: connect to the sport that I was so passionate about.
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  Matt Lashoff: So when you ultimately end up getting to the level of what has been
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  Matt Lashoff: on your wall for the entire time and that has been kind of glorified.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yes.
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  Matt Lashoff: You know, I had been to one NHL arena, up until the
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  Matt Lashoff: point that I was drafted.
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  Matt Lashoff: Like, there was no Wow.
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  Matt Lashoff: Kind of place that I was there other than these things that had kinda
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  Matt Lashoff: brought me there in the very, you know, near term from from the
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  Matt Lashoff: draft and when I was getting older.
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  Matt Lashoff: But so when it happened, it was very surreal.
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  Matt Lashoff: And and it and I think it took me a little bit to to
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  Matt Lashoff: figure out, that these guys were just people just like I was.
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  Matt Lashoff: Right?
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  Matt Lashoff: It's more patient, I think, and, like, a pedestal that some of it was
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  Matt Lashoff: put on in the beginning because you're like, I I had never seen it.
• 15:21
  Matt Lashoff: And, ultimately, then you're there.
• 15:22
  Matt Lashoff: You're in the same buildings.
• 15:23
  Matt Lashoff: You're around the same people that you had kinda modeled after.
• 15:27
  Matt Lashoff: You know, and it's so different now watching my kids go through it.
• 15:30
  Matt Lashoff: There's so much access.
• 15:32
  Matt Lashoff: There's so much visibility.
• 15:34
  Matt Lashoff: There's so much more touch points that all of the people in general, not
• 15:37
  Matt Lashoff: only just players have to professional athletes, and it was much different.
• 15:41
  Matt Lashoff: And I can, you know, I can remember cutting things out of magazines and
• 15:44
  Matt Lashoff: watching things on VHS tapes and trying as much as I could
• 15:48
  Matt Lashoff: to watch and get access just because it was a passion of mine.
• 15:51
  Matt Lashoff: But now it's so different.
• 15:53
  Matt Lashoff: It's like these guys, we see people on the street that, you know, play
• 15:56
  Matt Lashoff: sports or, you know, they look up to, and it's very easy.
• 15:59
  Matt Lashoff: They're like, hey.
• 15:59
  Matt Lashoff: How you doing?
• 16:00
  Matt Lashoff: I feel like I know you already.
• 16:01
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 16:02
  Matt Lashoff: Because of so many of these things, which is an amazing thing.
• 16:05
  Matt Lashoff: It was very different.
• 16:06
  Matt Lashoff: So it was a very surreal moment, when it all ultimately went down from
• 16:10
  Matt Lashoff: the draft and then, you know, ultimately, that's where the work starts.
• 16:14
  Matt Lashoff: You know?
• 16:14
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 16:15
  Lisa Nichols: For sure.
• 16:16
  Lisa Nichols: Okay.
• 16:16
  Lisa Nichols: So I I listen.
• 16:19
  Lisa Nichols: You're a first for me to have an NHL player on
• 16:23
  Lisa Nichols: my podcast.
• 16:24
  Lisa Nichols: I've had professional baseball players.
• 16:27
  Lisa Nichols: I've had musicians.
• 16:28
  Lisa Nichols: I've not had a player.
• 16:30
  Lisa Nichols: But I have to ask you this, and I know,
• 16:33
  Lisa Nichols: you know, I mean, I could surmise all sorts of things, but I'd love
• 16:36
  Lisa Nichols: to hear it from you.
• 16:37
  Lisa Nichols: What did hockey teach you about discipline and the character
• 16:42
  Lisa Nichols: that you are even implementing today and what you're doing with Vesta
• 16:47
  Lisa Nichols: and Haute View and you know?
• 16:49
  Lisa Nichols: You've you've you're on an entrepreneurial journey now.
• 16:51
  Lisa Nichols: You know, I'm thinking, my gosh.
• 16:53
  Lisa Nichols: Matt, you're, like, NHL, musician.
• 16:56
  Lisa Nichols: You've got albums out.
• 16:58
  Lisa Nichols: You're you're an entrepreneur.
• 17:00
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you're that's that's really cool.
• 17:02
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you're kind of a triple threat.
• 17:04
  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, what did what did it teach you?
• 17:06
  Lisa Nichols: Like, learning hockey and and playing at that level.
• 17:10
  Matt Lashoff: You know what?
• 17:10
  Matt Lashoff: I think that the simplest thing, and this maybe the simplest
• 17:14
  Matt Lashoff: way to put it,
• 17:16
  Matt Lashoff: is is I think you learn through hockey to to execute and to
• 17:20
  Matt Lashoff: continue to move forward when things are at their most inconvenient times.
• 17:25
  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
• 17:26
  Matt Lashoff: You know, first and foremost, to learn to skate is one of the most
• 17:30
  Matt Lashoff: nonrational things anyone can ever do.
• 17:32
  Matt Lashoff: And when you learn it in the beginning, no matter who you are, you
• 17:36
  Matt Lashoff: fail immediately.
• 17:37
  Matt Lashoff: Everyone fails immediately when they start to learn how to skate.
• 17:40
  Matt Lashoff: So it becomes,
• 17:42
  Matt Lashoff: this mental callus, I believe, that is built at a very young age,
• 17:47
  Matt Lashoff: which is why I'm such a big proponent of hockey just in general for
• 17:51
  Matt Lashoff: all kids to learn.
• 17:52
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 17:52
  Matt Lashoff: I think there's two things that I always talk about with young kids.
• 17:55
  Matt Lashoff: It's, you know, play hockey and learn to do it, learn to skate, learn
• 17:58
  Matt Lashoff: to get on the ice because you build this mental callous and then do
• 18:02
  Matt Lashoff: gymnastics because you learn how to move your body.
• 18:05
  Matt Lashoff: So I tell all these guys, all these kids these things just in general
• 18:08
  Matt Lashoff: because I think it builds the bedrock of,
• 18:13
  Matt Lashoff: your ability to handle and push through adversity and be resilient
• 18:17
  Matt Lashoff: at a very young age.
• 18:18
  Matt Lashoff: And you can start it when you're at a later age or whatnot, but
• 18:21
  Matt Lashoff: that is what you start with from a hockey perspective.
• 18:24
  Matt Lashoff: And I think our sport and any sport for that matter, and now kinda
• 18:28
  Matt Lashoff: transversely what I'm doing now, you you learn to live in a
• 18:32
  Matt Lashoff: comfortable place when things are are at their most
• 18:36
  Matt Lashoff: chaotic.
• 18:38
  Matt Lashoff: Nothing is easy from a sporting perspective in hockey,
• 18:43
  Matt Lashoff: from a training perspective and or otherwise, and it really kinda sets you up,
• 18:47
  Matt Lashoff: I think, for, or it set me up from from a
• 18:51
  Matt Lashoff: learning development perspective on how to handle adversity
• 18:56
  Matt Lashoff: at their highest moments and at its highest levels.
• 18:58
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 18:59
  Matt Lashoff: So, for me, I think leaving the game and being involved
• 19:03
  Matt Lashoff: in the game, the the short answer is it's taught me everything.
• 19:06
  Matt Lashoff: I think, you know, how to how to live in a locker room, how
• 19:09
  Matt Lashoff: to be a brother, how to be a father, how to be a teammate,
• 19:13
  Matt Lashoff: how to be, you know, have somebody's back, all of the things that kinda
• 19:17
  Matt Lashoff: come with that.
• 19:18
  Matt Lashoff: First and foremost, you learn how to handle adversity, and you learn how to
• 19:22
  Matt Lashoff: be a teammate through that adversity, which I think is, you know, first and
• 19:25
  Matt Lashoff: foremost a very transferable skill as you continue to move on
• 19:29
  Matt Lashoff: with things throughout the rest of your life.
• 19:32
  Lisa Nichols: Exactly.
• 19:32
  Lisa Nichols: Well, it's resilience.
• 19:34
  Lisa Nichols: That's the word that just keeps popping in my mind, you know, because and,
• 19:38
  Lisa Nichols: you know, Matt, here's the thing.
• 19:39
  Lisa Nichols: You know, that old adage that says you're terrible Arab thing until you're not.
• 19:43
  Matt Lashoff: Right.
• 19:43
  Matt Lashoff: Right.
• 19:45
  Lisa Nichols: You know, I think sometimes people look at people that have accomplished a lot
• 19:48
  Lisa Nichols: and go, wow.
• 19:50
  Lisa Nichols: Look at that.
• 19:51
  Lisa Nichols: But you know what I talk about?
• 19:52
  Lisa Nichols: I talk about the iceberg.
• 19:54
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Lisa Nichols: Only ten percent of the iceberg is above the water level.
• 19:58
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 19:58
  Lisa Nichols: The other ninety percent.
• 20:00
  Lisa Nichols: And so people don't see that piece.
• 20:01
  Lisa Nichols: But, yeah, you're terrible until you're not.
• 20:04
  Lisa Nichols: I'll tell you a funny story.
• 20:06
  Lisa Nichols: So I did ballet and dance my whole entire life.
• 20:09
  Lisa Nichols: Like, I started when I was four all the way through high school.
• 20:12
  Lisa Nichols: And we in Kentucky, we did not have where I grew up, we didn't
• 20:15
  Lisa Nichols: have an ice rink.
• 20:16
  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
• 20:17
  Lisa Nichols: But our I was I told you I was very involved in music.
• 20:20
  Lisa Nichols: And so our choir got invited to, I can't even remember now,
• 20:24
  Lisa Nichols: but some sort of performance in Chicago.
• 20:26
  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
• 20:27
  Lisa Nichols: So our choral director's like, I'm gonna take everybody.
• 20:30
  Lisa Nichols: You guys all ice skating.
• 20:32
  Lisa Nichols: And it was so funny, Matt, because I had all my friends go, oh
• 20:36
  Lisa Nichols: my gosh.
• 20:37
  Lisa Nichols: Lisa's gonna be so good because she does ballet and blah blah blah.
• 20:41
  Lisa Nichols: I was the worst person on my my ankles
• 20:45
  Lisa Nichols: were so weak that my, you know, feet turned in.
• 20:48
  Lisa Nichols: I never did get the hang of ice skating.
• 20:51
  Lisa Nichols: But, but everybody kind of it was a lot of pressure because everybody's like,
• 20:55
  Lisa Nichols: oh my god.
• 20:56
  Matt Lashoff: You're gonna be Yeah.
• 20:57
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 20:57
  Lisa Nichols: We're it's gonna be so good at it.
• 20:59
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 21:00
  Lisa Nichols: And I was the worst.
• 21:01
  Lisa Nichols: It was it was terrible.
• 21:03
  Lisa Nichols: But, yeah, I I agree.
• 21:05
  Lisa Nichols: Ice skating is hard.
• 21:07
  Matt Lashoff: It's hard.
• 21:07
  Matt Lashoff: Right out of the box.
• 21:08
  Matt Lashoff: It's hard.
• 21:11
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 21:12
  Lisa Nichols: Alright.
• 21:12
  Lisa Nichols: Well, let's move on.
• 21:13
  Lisa Nichols: I wanna talk a little bit about your music and then kind of get
• 21:16
  Lisa Nichols: into more, like, transition and what you're doing today.
• 21:18
  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, you,
• 21:21
  Lisa Nichols: you I laughed because you said you and your brother would,
• 21:26
  Lisa Nichols: like, skate in this backyard ice ice rink until it got
• 21:30
  Lisa Nichols: dark.
• 21:30
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 21:31
  Matt Lashoff: Then you
• 21:31
  Lisa Nichols: would come in, and you would start playing guitar.
• 21:33
  Matt Lashoff: Yep.
• 21:33
  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, coming up with riffs and stuff on the guitar.
• 21:37
  Lisa Nichols: Note really not much television.
• 21:39
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you were very intentional at a very young age, Matt, about doing
• 21:43
  Lisa Nichols: things that were going to move you forward.
• 21:46
  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, I mean, you've recorded two albums now.
• 21:49
  Lisa Nichols: One's called Livin' on Heart.
• 21:51
  Lisa Nichols: You know, there is a vulnerability, isn't there, about
• 21:55
  Lisa Nichols: putting any kind of art out there?
• 21:58
  Lisa Nichols: Because, you know, I wrote my first book that came out in September.
• 22:02
  Lisa Nichols: And, I mean, I just know the angst because you're like, what if you
• 22:05
  Lisa Nichols: put it out there and people don't like it?
• 22:08
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 22:08
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, how did that stretch you?
• 22:12
  Matt Lashoff: It stretched me quite a bit, and and I will I I'll never forget
• 22:16
  Matt Lashoff: this.
• 22:16
  Matt Lashoff: I was kinda going through, you know, the early days of my,
• 22:21
  Matt Lashoff: hockey playing career, and and music had always been an outlet for me.
• 22:24
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 22:24
  Matt Lashoff: Like, we talked about earlier, my my dad was a musician.
• 22:27
  Matt Lashoff: It was the thing that I could kind of recluse into,
• 22:32
  Matt Lashoff: and and, you know, release emotions and whatever it might be with
• 22:36
  Matt Lashoff: all the rest of the things going on in my life.
• 22:40
  Matt Lashoff: And I think it's always been something for me that's been able
• 22:44
  Matt Lashoff: to to to be that release point, and and the
• 22:48
  Matt Lashoff: element within
• 22:50
  Matt Lashoff: my life that I've been able to kind of go into.
• 22:53
  Matt Lashoff: But this the the the fear of actually putting it out there is a
• 22:57
  Matt Lashoff: totally different thing.
• 22:58
  Matt Lashoff: And and like I said, I I'll never forget what one of these guys
• 23:02
  Matt Lashoff: told me when I was young into my playing career, and he he said,
• 23:06
  Matt Lashoff: leave life exhausted.
• 23:07
  Matt Lashoff: Do everything you possibly can do that you're that pulls you that you were
• 23:10
  Matt Lashoff: pulled towards.
• 23:11
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 23:13
  Matt Lashoff: And I was playing, like, kind of one of these interview things, playing
• 23:17
  Matt Lashoff: music that they thought they found out that this was a hidden talent of
• 23:20
  Matt Lashoff: mine with the Bruins, and they asked if I would do something on what
• 23:23
  Matt Lashoff: was at at the time that the NESN network.
• 23:26
  Matt Lashoff: And I'm like, oh, yeah.
• 23:27
  Matt Lashoff: Like, no big deal.
• 23:27
  Matt Lashoff: Like, that sounds like fun completely out of the box, and I was Yeah.
• 23:31
  Matt Lashoff: Scared to death to do it.
• 23:33
  Matt Lashoff: But ended up doing it, and it got picked up by a
• 23:37
  Matt Lashoff: Bruins fan in Los Angeles who was also a music producer.
• 23:42
  Matt Lashoff: And, again, going back to that old adage of leave life exhausted, just kind
• 23:46
  Matt Lashoff: of go at, like, see where where things go.
• 23:49
  Matt Lashoff: You know, I got I got an opportunity.
• 23:50
  Matt Lashoff: I said, hey.
• 23:51
  Matt Lashoff: Would you wanna come out and and meet a couple people throughout, you know,
• 23:54
  Matt Lashoff: the music world?
• 23:55
  Matt Lashoff: And how how serious are you about this?
• 23:57
  Matt Lashoff: Are you passionate about it?
• 23:58
  Matt Lashoff: I didn't know how serious it was.
• 24:00
  Matt Lashoff: What I really loved and I found out that I really loved I really
• 24:03
  Matt Lashoff: loved writing.
• 24:03
  Matt Lashoff: I really loved songwriting.
• 24:04
  Matt Lashoff: It was that whole that it was not the performance piece of it.
• 24:07
  Matt Lashoff: It was not, you know, being on stage.
• 24:10
  Matt Lashoff: It was not getting in front of lights in a different way.
• 24:12
  Matt Lashoff: It was the it was the the the songwriting element of it, the storytelling,
• 24:17
  Matt Lashoff: the connective tissue to, you know, what was going on in my brain, which
• 24:21
  Matt Lashoff: at the time, most of the times, it's pretty pretty much a big pile
• 24:24
  Matt Lashoff: of spaghetti.
• 24:25
  Matt Lashoff: So that was my way to get it out there.
• 24:27
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 24:28
  Matt Lashoff: Right.
• 24:29
  Matt Lashoff: And, honestly, it's the the journey kinda started from there, and amazing things
• 24:33
  Matt Lashoff: happened, you know, from a a person perspective and a networking
• 24:37
  Matt Lashoff: standpoint.
• 24:38
  Matt Lashoff: And I've met some of the most amazing people, in my life from
• 24:42
  Matt Lashoff: a from a music standpoint by just saying yes and just falling forward with
• 24:46
  Matt Lashoff: it.
• 24:46
  Matt Lashoff: I'm not the greatest musician of all time.
• 24:48
  Matt Lashoff: I'm not the greatest songwriter of all time.
• 24:51
  Matt Lashoff: I love it.
• 24:51
  Matt Lashoff: I feel like I can connect with people through it at times, when the
• 24:55
  Matt Lashoff: stars align.
• 24:57
  Matt Lashoff: But I was able to go in and meet some of one, you know,
• 25:00
  Matt Lashoff: the most amazing musicians that we've all listened to on on
• 25:04
  Matt Lashoff: records and and, songs and albums, throughout
• 25:08
  Matt Lashoff: the history of of, music, which is amazing.
• 25:13
  Matt Lashoff: But also meet those same people that they they were kind of teaching me
• 25:17
  Matt Lashoff: lessons in their world and what they had gone through from a from a
• 25:20
  Matt Lashoff: music standpoint to be able to transfer that into what I was doing on
• 25:24
  Matt Lashoff: a day to day basis from a hockey standpoint.
• 25:26
  Matt Lashoff: So it was, it was an amazing environment to to be in and to
• 25:29
  Matt Lashoff: grow in.
• 25:30
  Matt Lashoff: So what I would do, I would play hockey during the season, and then
• 25:34
  Matt Lashoff: I would write songs in the summer.
• 25:35
  Matt Lashoff: And I'd go to Nashville, and I would sit in the songwriting room on
• 25:39
  Matt Lashoff: Music Row and meet with artists and meet with songwriters and,
• 25:43
  Matt Lashoff: and then train in between that, and then I would go back to the
• 25:46
  Matt Lashoff: hockey season.
• 25:47
  Matt Lashoff: So it was a pretty wild existence for a number of years.
• 25:50
  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
• 25:51
  Matt Lashoff: And I still talk to most of those people today.
• 25:53
  Matt Lashoff: They're they're they're great friends, and it's an amazing industry.
• 25:58
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Lisa Nichols: Okay.
• 25:59
  Lisa Nichols: So here's some things that I'm thinking as you're talking.
• 26:03
  Lisa Nichols: The first thing is you've said that you were scared at you did it
• 26:07
  Lisa Nichols: scared.
• 26:07
  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Lisa Nichols: Sometimes you do it scared.
• 26:09
  Lisa Nichols: Courage is not the absence of fear.
• 26:11
  Lisa Nichols: It's the overcoming of that fear.
• 26:13
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 26:14
  Matt Lashoff: Right.
• 26:14
  Lisa Nichols: You know, so do it scared.
• 26:17
  Lisa Nichols: And then another thing that you said, Matt, that I just love and I
• 26:20
  Lisa Nichols: found it true in my own life is the power of yes.
• 26:24
  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Lisa Nichols: The power of yes.
• 26:27
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, because I know and I've got stories where we've said yes to
• 26:31
  Lisa Nichols: things.
• 26:32
  Lisa Nichols: And if we had not said yes to those things, we would not have
• 26:35
  Lisa Nichols: met the amazing people that we have met.
• 26:38
  Lisa Nichols: We wouldn't have had experiences.
• 26:40
  Lisa Nichols: Now you have to I'm gonna I'm gonna balance that with this
• 26:44
  Lisa Nichols: caveat.
• 26:45
  Lisa Nichols: You gotta protect your yes.
• 26:46
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 26:47
  Lisa Nichols: You gotta protect it, but, you know, don't don't not do something just because
• 26:51
  Lisa Nichols: it feels uncomfortable or you're scared of it.
• 26:53
  Matt Lashoff: A hundred percent.
• 26:54
  Matt Lashoff: I I think one of the biggest things that people, in
• 26:58
  Matt Lashoff: general and I've I've been in this stage a million times over.
• 27:02
  Matt Lashoff: We all are, and I think it there's always a constant reminder that's that's
• 27:06
  Matt Lashoff: necessary is
• 27:08
  Matt Lashoff: we always feel the need or the necessity to feel like we need to
• 27:11
  Matt Lashoff: be completely ready, completely confident, or completely clear
• 27:16
  Matt Lashoff: in in what the next thing is before we say yes, before
• 27:20
  Matt Lashoff: we take the chance.
• 27:21
  Matt Lashoff: To your point, I love what you said just about protecting your yes because
• 27:24
  Matt Lashoff: I think you have to, you know, make sure that that environment and those
• 27:27
  Matt Lashoff: things are feeding what you feel is most important and that you're being called
• 27:31
  Matt Lashoff: to that thing.
• 27:32
  Matt Lashoff: And that's important not to just run around and say yes to every meeting
• 27:35
  Matt Lashoff: and say yes to everything.
• 27:36
  Matt Lashoff: You have to feel the draw and feel the movement towards it.
• 27:40
  Matt Lashoff: And that and that's the other thing.
• 27:41
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 27:41
  Matt Lashoff: I think, you you know, movement is an amazing thing.
• 27:45
  Matt Lashoff: When you can feel that it's rooted in in for me, like, your faith
• 27:49
  Matt Lashoff: to be able to you towards that and feel confident enough to do it,
• 27:53
  Matt Lashoff: but always reminding yourself that it it's it's a good thing
• 27:57
  Matt Lashoff: sometimes to not have it all figured out and not think through all the
• 28:01
  Matt Lashoff: things.
• 28:01
  Matt Lashoff: And failing forward is a very courageous and a very movement oriented
• 28:05
  Matt Lashoff: thing to be able to drive you to the next, you know, stage in
• 28:09
  Matt Lashoff: your development or your life Yeah.
• 28:11
  Matt Lashoff: World.
• 28:12
  Lisa Nichols: So That's beautiful.
• 28:14
  Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful.
• 28:15
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I just think about when Greg and I started Technology Partners, we
• 28:18
  Lisa Nichols: didn't have this multimillion dollar strategy.
• 28:20
  Matt Lashoff: Right.
• 28:21
  Matt Lashoff: Exactly.
• 28:22
  Lisa Nichols: Seriously, we didn't, Matt.
• 28:24
  Lisa Nichols: We're just like, okay.
• 28:24
  Lisa Nichols: We're just gonna take one step at a time here, and boy and we've
• 28:28
  Lisa Nichols: we've we've failed.
• 28:30
  Lisa Nichols: But to your point, failing forward and learning from that, right, is
• 28:34
  Lisa Nichols: is what's really important.
• 28:35
  Lisa Nichols: Well, gosh.
• 28:35
  Lisa Nichols: I've got so many more questions, Matt, but we do need to take a
• 28:38
  Lisa Nichols: quick break, and we'll be right back on the Something Extra podcast with Matt
• 28:42
  Lisa Nichols: Lashoff.
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  Lisa Nichols: Welcome back, everyone, to the Something Extra podcast with Matt Lashoff.
• 29:16
  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
• 29:17
  Lisa Nichols: I have been enjoying this conversation so much, Matt.
• 29:21
  Lisa Nichols: So much good wisdom here.
• 29:22
  Lisa Nichols: But I'd love for you to tell our listeners what are you doing today.
• 29:25
  Lisa Nichols: So you you're you're now an entrepreneur.
• 29:27
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, tell me about Vesta.
• 29:29
  Lisa Nichols: Tell me about Oakview.
• 29:31
  Lisa Nichols: What are those?
• 29:31
  Lisa Nichols: What's your mission?
• 29:33
  Matt Lashoff: No.
• 29:33
  Matt Lashoff: It's great.
• 29:34
  Matt Lashoff: I appreciate it.
• 29:35
  Matt Lashoff: And and thank you.
• 29:37
  Matt Lashoff: You know, the at the at the end of the day, I think a
• 29:40
  Matt Lashoff: lot of the things we've talked about, you know, have led to these two
• 29:44
  Matt Lashoff: kind of next stages in my life, like, not being ready and and taking
• 29:47
  Matt Lashoff: a leap of faith and trying to figure out what that next phase was.
• 29:51
  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, what I've realized is that, you know, what I am most
• 29:55
  Matt Lashoff: passionate about is is helping people kind of in that transition, in that
• 29:59
  Matt Lashoff: difficult time period, probably because it was so difficult and and hard for
• 30:03
  Matt Lashoff: myself.
• 30:04
  Matt Lashoff: Right.
• 30:05
  Matt Lashoff: But, you know, I I ended up when I retired, I I I decided
• 30:09
  Matt Lashoff: that I wanted to try to find the the the perfect match of a
• 30:12
  Matt Lashoff: of a career.
• 30:13
  Matt Lashoff: I I'd had a journeyman's life in sports at the end of my
• 30:17
  Matt Lashoff: playing days and was overseas.
• 30:19
  Matt Lashoff: I played in Switzerland, Sweden, Russia, Germany.
• 30:22
  Matt Lashoff: My kids could hardly speak English at the time, when we were coming back
• 30:25
  Matt Lashoff: because we were all over the place.
• 30:27
  Matt Lashoff: My body was broken down.
• 30:29
  Matt Lashoff: My wife had put a career on hold.
• 30:32
  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, the days of of, you know, my pinnacle was
• 30:36
  Matt Lashoff: were over and and, you know, we needed to make a decision both for
• 30:40
  Matt Lashoff: our family and, you know, also that very few people in sports get to
• 30:44
  Matt Lashoff: make the decision on when they're ultimately done with playing.
• 30:48
  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, the next phase of my life was was upon itself
• 30:52
  Matt Lashoff: and and it it's a very arduous and difficult environment to be in.
• 30:56
  Matt Lashoff: You know, you've done the same thing essentially from when you were five years
• 30:59
  Matt Lashoff: old till when I was, you know, thirty two, thirty three years old.
• 31:03
  Matt Lashoff: My my life hadn't changed a whole lot.
• 31:05
  Matt Lashoff: I played sports.
• 31:05
  Matt Lashoff: I played with my buddies.
• 31:06
  Matt Lashoff: I hung out, and I played guitar.
• 31:08
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 31:08
  Matt Lashoff: It wasn't it wasn't a pretty good existence for a long time.
• 31:13
  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, the the the what I really knew and really wanted to
• 31:16
  Matt Lashoff: expand was a was a different mountain.
• 31:18
  Matt Lashoff: I knew that I wanted to go on, and try to traverse and try
• 31:22
  Matt Lashoff: to get involved in a different, in a different life, in a different mountain,
• 31:25
  Matt Lashoff: but tangential to what I was still doing from a sports perspective.
• 31:28
  Matt Lashoff: And and for me, that was business.
• 31:30
  Matt Lashoff: I wanted to be involved in business and be involved and close to the
• 31:34
  Matt Lashoff: sport that I love so much, which was hockey.
• 31:37
  Matt Lashoff: And luckily enough, had a had an opportunity to join a startup at the
• 31:40
  Matt Lashoff: time, called the Oakview Group, which is a a venue development and operations
• 31:45
  Matt Lashoff: company, that, you know, builds arenas, stadiums, amphitheaters
• 31:49
  Matt Lashoff: all over the country.
• 31:50
  Matt Lashoff: I mean, is and works very, very closely hand in hand with sports franchises
• 31:54
  Matt Lashoff: around the world.
• 31:54
  Matt Lashoff: So the first project I was able to work on was Climate Pledge Arena,
• 31:59
  Matt Lashoff: and the founding of the Seattle Kraken NHL hockey team, the thirty second franchise.
• 32:03
  Matt Lashoff: It was a pretty cool thing to land in.
• 32:06
  Matt Lashoff: But, again, it was it was a it it was an opportunity that was
• 32:10
  Matt Lashoff: built on, you know, complete faith and blind faith in that
• 32:14
  Matt Lashoff: in that manner, right, where it was a it was a startup company that
• 32:18
  Matt Lashoff: was, founded by a couple of the presidents of teams that I had been
• 32:22
  Matt Lashoff: a part of.
• 32:23
  Matt Lashoff: You know, I I asked if I could work for free because I had
• 32:26
  Matt Lashoff: no transferable, or I had no skills in that environment.
• 32:29
  Matt Lashoff: I just wanted to learn.
• 32:31
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 32:31
  Matt Lashoff: And and they were Yeah.
• 32:32
  Matt Lashoff: They were crazy enough to take a chance on me at the time, and
• 32:35
  Matt Lashoff: and it was the it was the best thing that I had ever done,
• 32:39
  Matt Lashoff: you know, from a from a a work and perspective.
• 32:42
  Matt Lashoff: And it was the first thing I've ever done after playing.
• 32:45
  Matt Lashoff: And one of the things that that that did for me was create an
• 32:48
  Matt Lashoff: environment of different opportunities.
• 32:50
  Matt Lashoff: The the sports world is such an amazing ecosystem of different humans, of
• 32:54
  Matt Lashoff: different people, of different industries, of different opportunities.
• 32:57
  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, the players that I had played with had consistently began
• 33:01
  Matt Lashoff: to start reaching out as I was also helping, the Players
• 33:06
  Matt Lashoff: Association of Hockey, you know, help develop this kinda next stage,
• 33:11
  Matt Lashoff: this this transition, element that would help the players go to the
• 33:15
  Matt Lashoff: next stage of their careers, when they were done and when they were ready
• 33:18
  Matt Lashoff: to retire.
• 33:19
  Matt Lashoff: So a lot of players were reaching out trying to get connected and learn
• 33:22
  Matt Lashoff: about what was next and learn about different options and opportunities on it.
• 33:27
  Matt Lashoff: And I realized that was a huge, huge passion of mine was to help
• 33:30
  Matt Lashoff: the player out, help with the transition.
• 33:33
  Matt Lashoff: And, essentially, that was the start of of Vesta legacy group and and what
• 33:37
  Matt Lashoff: we're doing now.
• 33:38
  Matt Lashoff: You know, it was born out of the environment of being, you know, in
• 33:41
  Matt Lashoff: integrated into the sports space.
• 33:44
  Matt Lashoff: But really from an altruistic standpoint was to how do we help,
• 33:48
  Matt Lashoff: both athletes and business owners now as well, find
• 33:52
  Matt Lashoff: out what that next phase is and get connected with business opportunities that
• 33:56
  Matt Lashoff: they're passionate about, that they're Mhmm.
• 33:58
  Matt Lashoff: Driven for.
• 34:00
  Matt Lashoff: You know, it's such a hard place to be in when your name is
• 34:03
  Matt Lashoff: in the newspaper a lot.
• 34:05
  Matt Lashoff: People think they have access to you, one.
• 34:07
  Matt Lashoff: People think that you're ready and want to do other things where they can
• 34:10
  Matt Lashoff: take advantage of you for those things.
• 34:12
  Matt Lashoff: So we've tried to build a very, you know, holistic environment where people,
• 34:17
  Matt Lashoff: and and athletes, entertainers, and executives can come in a safe space and and
• 34:21
  Matt Lashoff: help one be connected to companies that they love and they can help grow,
• 34:26
  Matt Lashoff: while also finding an opportunity on what their next stage might potentially be.
• 34:30
  Matt Lashoff: So it's been an amazing, growth journey, to your point
• 34:34
  Matt Lashoff: from an entrepreneurial perspective, I'm learning those ropes every single day,
• 34:38
  Matt Lashoff: which is exciting.
• 34:39
  Matt Lashoff: But, you know, again, I think falling back to what your passion is and
• 34:43
  Matt Lashoff: your purpose is, you know, for us, it's trying to pay it forward and
• 34:46
  Matt Lashoff: and and help these players out and and people in a very similar situation
• 34:50
  Matt Lashoff: that I was not trying to go through the same stuff that was, you
• 34:53
  Matt Lashoff: know, so difficult at the time.
• 34:54
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 34:55
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Matt, I just love that because, you know, when
• 35:00
  Lisa Nichols: when we're looking here, you know, we see all the different dots.
• 35:04
  Lisa Nichols: We don't really see the beautiful picture.
• 35:06
  Matt Lashoff: Right.
• 35:07
  Lisa Nichols: But I think, you know, God just really I mean, he's
• 35:11
  Lisa Nichols: prepared you for where you are today.
• 35:13
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 35:13
  Lisa Nichols: If you had not gone through what you went through, there's no way that
• 35:16
  Lisa Nichols: you would really be equipped to help others.
• 35:18
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 35:19
  Lisa Nichols: So I just, I think that that's I I love that.
• 35:23
  Lisa Nichols: I love that you're doing that.
• 35:25
  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you this.
• 35:26
  Lisa Nichols: What do you I mean, now you've you've you've been doing this.
• 35:29
  Lisa Nichols: What do you how do you think about leadership?
• 35:32
  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
• 35:33
  Lisa Nichols: Do you how would you even describe leadership?
• 35:35
  Lisa Nichols: Do you have, like, a way that you describe leadership?
• 35:38
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, what is a leader?
• 35:40
  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Matt Lashoff: It's a great question.
• 35:42
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 35:42
  Matt Lashoff: And I've been fortunate enough to be around so many amazing leaders
• 35:46
  Matt Lashoff: from a sports perspective and from a business standpoint, you know, when
• 35:51
  Matt Lashoff: when I've been done and you think about the kind of the ecosystem of
• 35:54
  Matt Lashoff: all these different things that kinda coalesce in sports.
• 35:56
  Matt Lashoff: So it's been, I've been very, very lucky to to be on
• 36:00
  Matt Lashoff: the front end of a lot of that.
• 36:02
  Matt Lashoff: And and I, what I've tried to do is take a little bit of
• 36:06
  Matt Lashoff: each one of those those teammates that I've had, those coaches that I've had,
• 36:10
  Matt Lashoff: the executives I've been around, and try to blend it into
• 36:14
  Matt Lashoff: to what, you know, I feel is, you know, the best, you know, form
• 36:18
  Matt Lashoff: of leadership.
• 36:19
  Matt Lashoff: But I think the one thing is is it's always evolving and it's always
• 36:22
  Matt Lashoff: growing and we're always learning about how we can add different skills and different
• 36:26
  Matt Lashoff: things into that environment.
• 36:27
  Matt Lashoff: But I think for me, it boils down to to,
• 36:32
  Matt Lashoff: to the simplicity almost that we talked about earlier, and it's that resilience.
• 36:35
  Matt Lashoff: It's the discipline to wake up and do things, when you always when you
• 36:39
  Matt Lashoff: don't always want to do them.
• 36:41
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 36:41
  Matt Lashoff: It's putting that step in front of you itself one after the other and
• 36:46
  Matt Lashoff: continuing to move forward and the things that need to be done, not the
• 36:49
  Matt Lashoff: things that want to be done.
• 36:51
  Matt Lashoff: Yes.
• 36:51
  Matt Lashoff: And I think if you can do that from a consistent basis, you know,
• 36:55
  Matt Lashoff: whether it's hockey and, you know, you're waking up and you're getting the reps
• 36:58
  Matt Lashoff: in and you're watching the video and you're talking to the other teammates and
• 37:01
  Matt Lashoff: you're learning about what the other teams are doing or it's business and, you
• 37:04
  Matt Lashoff: know, you're scouting on what your competitors are doing.
• 37:07
  Matt Lashoff: You're teaching your your employees.
• 37:08
  Matt Lashoff: You're being a supportive individual that's there.
• 37:10
  Matt Lashoff: You're getting the grunt work done.
• 37:13
  Matt Lashoff: You if you can continue to move forward one by one,
• 37:17
  Matt Lashoff: not only are you going to to always be the person that can be
• 37:21
  Matt Lashoff: looked at that's moving the boat forward.
• 37:24
  Matt Lashoff: One of the things that we've always said in the locker room, it's like,
• 37:27
  Matt Lashoff: don't if you're gonna ask other people to do it, you better be doing
• 37:30
  Matt Lashoff: it yourself.
• 37:31
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 37:31
  Matt Lashoff: And you better be doing it Absolutely.
• 37:33
  Matt Lashoff: And, absolutely.
• 37:36
  Matt Lashoff: So yeah.
• 37:37
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 37:38
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 37:38
  Lisa Nichols: That's that is so good.
• 37:41
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I I just think whether it's playing hockey and you've
• 37:45
  Lisa Nichols: got other teams, you you've got fans.
• 37:48
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 37:49
  Lisa Nichols: In business, you've got customers, you've got employees.
• 37:52
  Lisa Nichols: You know, I always say we're just stewards.
• 37:54
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 37:54
  Lisa Nichols: You know, really, we're stewards of that, and we just wanna be the best
• 37:57
  Lisa Nichols: steward of whatever resources are given to us.
• 38:00
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 38:00
  Lisa Nichols: So,
• 38:02
  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
• 38:04
  Lisa Nichols: Well, you you are so big on I I want you to talk about
• 38:08
  Lisa Nichols: this because my girls,
• 38:11
  Lisa Nichols: Paige and Ally, own Kindred Spirits Designs.
• 38:14
  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
• 38:14
  Lisa Nichols: And you guys and they were there for skating under the stars,
• 38:19
  Lisa Nichols: the skating under the stars event that you guys put on.
• 38:22
  Lisa Nichols: Tell me about that event.
• 38:24
  Matt Lashoff: You know, it's it's it's been an amazing journey with that.
• 38:29
  Matt Lashoff: You know, my my wife who is, to your point, my my second
• 38:33
  Matt Lashoff: brain, at the time my first brain too.
• 38:38
  Matt Lashoff: Is, you know, obviously, the most amazing champion that we have in our house.
• 38:42
  Matt Lashoff: I mean, she is the the real leader, I feel like, underneath our roof
• 38:45
  Matt Lashoff: for everybody that we have.
• 38:47
  Matt Lashoff: You know, not only our family, but otherwise.
• 38:51
  Matt Lashoff: You know, we went through a situation with our youngest, Caden.
• 38:55
  Matt Lashoff: You know, he was diagnosed with a rare disease and and, you know, my
• 38:59
  Matt Lashoff: wife, Kristen, you know, always the advocate and always the one
• 39:03
  Matt Lashoff: moving forward and trying to help and bring people together, you know, decided
• 39:08
  Matt Lashoff: to to create an event called skate under the stars,
• 39:11
  Matt Lashoff: where it brought together all other individuals who had rare disease and gave them
• 39:15
  Matt Lashoff: access to to hockey, give them access to be on the ice when normally
• 39:19
  Matt Lashoff: you can't.
• 39:20
  Matt Lashoff: You know, obviously, like we talked about earlier, hockey and skating in in general
• 39:24
  Matt Lashoff: is is is hard right off the bat.
• 39:27
  Matt Lashoff: But it's also hard from an access point.
• 39:29
  Matt Lashoff: It's very expensive.
• 39:31
  Matt Lashoff: There's a lot of people on the ice.
• 39:32
  Matt Lashoff: Pucks are flying around.
• 39:34
  Matt Lashoff: So there's never really a a safe environment for even people to go out
• 39:38
  Matt Lashoff: and feel what is essentially that freedom for me and what I had
• 39:42
  Matt Lashoff: being out on the ice, just being skating,
• 39:45
  Matt Lashoff: and and just being able to kinda go out and have fun.
• 39:49
  Matt Lashoff: So what we've created or what she created and I I end up just
• 39:52
  Matt Lashoff: supporting on at this point, It's an amazing opportunity for
• 39:57
  Matt Lashoff: for kids and adults for that matter to to come out and enjoy, you
• 40:00
  Matt Lashoff: know, hockey and skating in in in a in a safe place.
• 40:05
  Matt Lashoff: It's been amazing the growth that it's that it's had.
• 40:09
  Matt Lashoff: We get support from, the National Hockey League in the St.
• 40:13
  Matt Lashoff: Louis Blues, all the triple a programs that are around here.
• 40:18
  Matt Lashoff: I think it's been one of the most fulfilling things that we've been able
• 40:21
  Matt Lashoff: to to see grow, not only because of what it
• 40:25
  Matt Lashoff: means and what it's supporting and and and what's behind the scenes, but I
• 40:29
  Matt Lashoff: think the joy that you're seeing in the kids' faces to
• 40:33
  Matt Lashoff: be able to pull out.
• 40:34
  Matt Lashoff: And I think also the joy you've begun to see in the people that
• 40:37
  Matt Lashoff: are helping support it because of that joy that it's bringing the kids on
• 40:41
  Matt Lashoff: the ice has been a really, really fulfilling and amazing experience.
• 40:44
  Matt Lashoff: I I I cannot believe what it's come and grown into today.
• 40:49
  Matt Lashoff: Each year we go back, I I'm just blown away by the support
• 40:54
  Matt Lashoff: of everyone involved.
• 40:54
  Matt Lashoff: So it's been a an amazing experience to be involved with.
• 40:58
  Matt Lashoff: And I think to your point, you said it best.
• 41:00
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 41:01
  Matt Lashoff: The idea and the fulfillment of the event itself was was my was
• 41:05
  Matt Lashoff: Kristen's and, you know, a little bit mine at a certain extent, but
• 41:09
  Matt Lashoff: it's now we are stewards of this environment.
• 41:11
  Matt Lashoff: We're stewards of what this is, and it's become its own thing, which is,
• 41:15
  Matt Lashoff: you know, very,
• 41:15
  Lisa Nichols: very Yes.
• 41:17
  Lisa Nichols: That's so beautiful, man.
• 41:18
  Lisa Nichols: And as you're as you're describing that, I really didn't know how it started
• 41:22
  Lisa Nichols: exactly.
• 41:24
  Lisa Nichols: But I just know my girls really enjoyed being there with you guys.
• 41:28
  Lisa Nichols: It's a seed.
• 41:29
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 41:30
  Lisa Nichols: You know, we plant a seed.
• 41:31
  Lisa Nichols: And first of all, you saw a gap.
• 41:34
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 41:35
  Matt Lashoff: You saw
• 41:35
  Lisa Nichols: a gap.
• 41:36
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 41:36
  Lisa Nichols: And that's how many things start.
• 41:38
  Lisa Nichols: You see the gap in the ecosystem, and you're like, okay.
• 41:41
  Lisa Nichols: And especially if your heart is drawn toward that, you know, just
• 41:45
  Lisa Nichols: planting a seed and watching it grow is just a really beautiful thing.
• 41:49
  Lisa Nichols: I know you've gotta continue to water that seed, but, I
• 41:53
  Lisa Nichols: that's just I I love it.
• 41:55
  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, you're talking about the joy on
• 41:59
  Lisa Nichols: the kids' faces and getting to see them do that.
• 42:03
  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
• 42:03
  Lisa Nichols: Wow.
• 42:04
  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
• 42:04
  Lisa Nichols: That's priceless.
• 42:06
  Lisa Nichols: That's priceless.
• 42:06
  Lisa Nichols: You can't put a price tag on that, really.
• 42:09
  Lisa Nichols: So I love that.
• 42:11
  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
• 42:11
  Lisa Nichols: Well, let's talk real quick about your faith.
• 42:13
  Lisa Nichols: And then I have a few just a few little lightning round, and then
• 42:16
  Lisa Nichols: we're gonna talk about something extra.
• 42:19
  Lisa Nichols: I know faith is really important to you and Kristen.
• 42:22
  Lisa Nichols: Tell me how it shows up in your everyday life.
• 42:25
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, with your business, Matt, what you're trying to do there, in
• 42:29
  Lisa Nichols: your family, how you parent, How how important has it been?
• 42:33
  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
• 42:33
  Matt Lashoff: You know what?
• 42:34
  Matt Lashoff: It's it's everything.
• 42:35
  Matt Lashoff: I think we've had our own faith journey.
• 42:37
  Matt Lashoff: I've my my family has always been rooted in its faith,
• 42:41
  Matt Lashoff: since the beginning.
• 42:42
  Matt Lashoff: I think it's always been the thing that I had turned to.
• 42:45
  Matt Lashoff: You know, we've talked about kinda different outlets, right, in in music and
• 42:49
  Matt Lashoff: all the other things that are there.
• 42:51
  Matt Lashoff: But there's one thing that I think roots consistently in it, and and it's
• 42:55
  Matt Lashoff: our our belief in in Jesus and and our faith in general to be
• 42:59
  Matt Lashoff: able to turn to for us, as a family and as a
• 43:03
  Matt Lashoff: unit.
• 43:05
  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, I think as you look from a parenting perspective, just from
• 43:09
  Matt Lashoff: a a stewardship landscape, you know, always being able to turn back,
• 43:13
  Matt Lashoff: to the word and being able to think through,
• 43:17
  Matt Lashoff: you know, how are we being stewards of of of the Lord and
• 43:21
  Matt Lashoff: how are we moving the the the word forward within
• 43:25
  Matt Lashoff: our business, within how we're teaching our kids, has
• 43:29
  Matt Lashoff: really been the bedrock of how we're continuing to move forward.
• 43:32
  Matt Lashoff: You know?
• 43:33
  Matt Lashoff: Like, I I would be lying to you if I said that that didn't
• 43:37
  Matt Lashoff: get challenged at times, especially from when I was, you know, leaving
• 43:41
  Matt Lashoff: hockey and, you know, felt like, oh my god.
• 43:44
  Matt Lashoff: What's gonna happen next?
• 43:45
  Matt Lashoff: You know, this is all rosy and easy, and I turn and I open
• 43:48
  Matt Lashoff: the book up, and it's given me the things that I need.
• 43:51
  Matt Lashoff: It was hard.
• 43:51
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 43:52
  Matt Lashoff: It was hard, but I always kind of rerouted back to that,
• 43:56
  Matt Lashoff: and consistently gone back.
• 43:58
  Matt Lashoff: And and the one thing that I, you know, was a lightning rod
• 44:02
  Matt Lashoff: kind of in my head that kept, you know, showing up in in
• 44:07
  Matt Lashoff: and dreams and waking up was Matthew thirteen, pick the seeds up and let
• 44:11
  Matt Lashoff: them grow.
• 44:12
  Matt Lashoff: Right?
• 44:12
  Matt Lashoff: As as you Right.
• 44:13
  Matt Lashoff: Through what we're actually trying to do, not allowing,
• 44:19
  Matt Lashoff: the different distractions of the world to pick things up and to to pull
• 44:23
  Matt Lashoff: you away from, you know, what is the most important piece.
• 44:25
  Matt Lashoff: And I think as we show and try to lead for our kids and
• 44:29
  Matt Lashoff: lead for, you know, the people within the business, and lead for
• 44:33
  Matt Lashoff: other the players that were that are coming in.
• 44:36
  Matt Lashoff: You know, everyone's got their different walk that they're on.
• 44:38
  Matt Lashoff: But for us, I think just being able to be true to, you know,
• 44:42
  Matt Lashoff: what and how we're moving forward in this world and being good stewards
• 44:46
  Matt Lashoff: of of the Lord and his word, I think has been, you know, one,
• 44:50
  Matt Lashoff: the most amazing joy that we've been able to kind of show to our
• 44:53
  Matt Lashoff: kids and the other people coming through it, through the business and whatnot, but
• 44:57
  Matt Lashoff: also, continuing to move forward and and do the growth and the learnings
• 45:01
  Matt Lashoff: that that, you know, we're trying to do every day.
• 45:05
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 45:06
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:06
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, Matt, life is not easy.
• 45:09
  Matt Lashoff: Oh.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's not it's not all unicorns and rainbows.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, there's there's hard, hard seasons.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  Lisa Nichols: And whatever it is, I I I tell people, find an anchor for your
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  Lisa Nichols: soul because your ship is gonna be tossed to and fro.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  Lisa Nichols: What is that constant in your life?
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  Lisa Nichols: And it you know?
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, it may be something different for someone else.
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  Lisa Nichols: But I know for me, I know for you, even through those
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  Lisa Nichols: hard times, I mean, God has never ever failed me.
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  Matt Lashoff: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: Now it doesn't always look the way that I think it should look.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: But that's okay because he's God and I'm not.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: But but yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, he has never failed me yet.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  Lisa Nichols: And, and it's constant that he doesn't change Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: Which, you know, everything else in the world seems sometimes like shifting sand.
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  Matt Lashoff: It's a hundred percent.
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  Matt Lashoff: I think you nailed it too.
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  Matt Lashoff: Right?
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  Matt Lashoff: Just being open to the acceptance of the forms that it's coming in.
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  Matt Lashoff: Right?
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  Matt Lashoff: I think that's this thing.
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  Matt Lashoff: And, you know, as you talk through leadership and you talk through, you know,
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  Matt Lashoff: the faith journey, of just what is next, you know, to
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  Matt Lashoff: to exactly be said, you you the biggest piece is being open to accepting
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  Matt Lashoff: it.
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  Matt Lashoff: And it exactly like you mentioned, it doesn't always come in the ways that
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  Matt Lashoff: you were expecting or thinking that it's gonna come.
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  Matt Lashoff: So that's why you gotta stay open for as we get ready.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: We could do a whole podcast on that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I just I I'm gonna skip my lightning rod questions.
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  Lisa Nichols: I may ask you.
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  Lisa Nichols: I wanted to talk about habits and, like, daily routines and all that, but
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  Lisa Nichols: we're running out of time.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know, this is called something extra.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: So, man, I ask every guest, what do you believe is this something extra
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  Lisa Nichols: that every leader needs?
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  Lisa Nichols: What would you say it is?
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  Matt Lashoff: I think we've talked about it a lot.
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  Matt Lashoff: For me, it's the resilience.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's The resilience.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Matt Lashoff: Yeah.
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  Matt Lashoff: It's it's I think it's it it is I think
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  Matt Lashoff: it resilience can get wrapped up in a lot of different things.
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  Matt Lashoff: Right?
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  Matt Lashoff: Your faith, discipline, all of the things that you're leaning back
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  Matt Lashoff: on, to what is next.
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  Matt Lashoff: But, again, I think as we talked about it before,
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  Matt Lashoff: just being able to wake up and do the things that need to be
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  Matt Lashoff: done and not that want to be done, I think, is the most important
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  Matt Lashoff: thing from a leadership perspective,
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  Matt Lashoff: that anybody,
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  Matt Lashoff: can have.
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  Matt Lashoff: And it's the one thing that you can control.
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  Matt Lashoff: The one thing you can control is going up and doing the things that
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  Matt Lashoff: need to be done, not what everyone is saying, not what other people are
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  Matt Lashoff: doing, not what people are talking about.
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  Matt Lashoff: And I think, you know, that's the one thing that you you you sports
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  Matt Lashoff: shows you in spades.
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  Matt Lashoff: There's a lot of noise,
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  Matt Lashoff: lot of of things being talked about, and you
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  Matt Lashoff: have to do a really good job.
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  Matt Lashoff: And if you think if you see the best teams and the best environments
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  Matt Lashoff: out there, they do a very good job protecting that environment and
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  Matt Lashoff: and keeping that environment a very positive growth oriented one,
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  Matt Lashoff: where everyone in that room, and for me at the time, it was a
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  Matt Lashoff: locker room for other people, it's a boardroom, feel supported in what they're trying
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  Matt Lashoff: to accomplish.
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  Matt Lashoff: We're all trying to win, or we're all trying to get to the next
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  Matt Lashoff: stage, but we need everyone to kind of do their job, if you will,
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  Matt Lashoff: and pull them off.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: That's good.
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  Matt Lashoff: That's good.
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  Matt Lashoff: And, and that resilience piece is a huge part of it.
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  Matt Lashoff: Right?
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  Matt Lashoff: Because things aren't to to what you mentioned earlier.
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  Matt Lashoff: They're not gonna be, you know, rainbows and sunshine all the time.
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  Lisa Nichols: And Right.
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  Matt Lashoff: You have the purpose and the drive to go forward.
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  Matt Lashoff: You're gonna have the discipline and the resilience to get up and wake up
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  Matt Lashoff: and do the things that need to be done for, you know, your mission
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  Matt Lashoff: that has to align with the greater mission of what we're all trying to
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  Matt Lashoff: accomplish within the room.
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  Matt Lashoff: So,
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  Matt Lashoff: you know, I I I think when in doubt, it's you know, I I
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  Matt Lashoff: we always we always tell the kids, hard hard things are coming no matter
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  Matt Lashoff: whether you like it or not.
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  Matt Lashoff: Hard things are coming.
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  Matt Lashoff: What are you gonna do when things get hard?
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  Matt Lashoff: And you have to have the tools, the resources, and ultimately, what it boils
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  Matt Lashoff: down to the resilience, to continue to wake up and show up
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  Matt Lashoff: more more importantly, and move to the next step.
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  Lisa Nichols: So good.
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  Lisa Nichols: So good.
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  Lisa Nichols: So wise, Matt.
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  Lisa Nichols: Hey.
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  Lisa Nichols: Listen.
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  Lisa Nichols: Thanks so much for making the time.
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  Lisa Nichols: This has been so much fun, and I know I know I know I
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  Lisa Nichols: know that this is gonna help our listeners.
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  Lisa Nichols: So I just appreciate you spending this time with me and sharing your wisdom.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, yeah, there's a lot of catchphrases that I'm gonna take away from you.
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  Lisa Nichols: So I appreciate your time.
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  Lisa Nichols: Thank you so much.
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  Lisa Nichols: Have a great rest of the day.
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  Matt Lashoff: Thank you for having me.
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  Matt Lashoff: Appreciate it.
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