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9-03-26 Hour 1 - NBA not harsh enough on Clippers/A HUGE cheating scandal/There's another Mendoza · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: I'm a fun guy. Uh, obviously I love the game
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  Speaker 2: of basketball. Um, I mean, there's just more questions you
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  Speaker 2: have to ask me in order for me to tell
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  Speaker 2: you about myself. I just can't give you a whole spiel.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know where you're sitting at.
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  Speaker 3: Adam Silver has brought down the hammer on the Los
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  Speaker 3: Angeles Clippers after deciding and determining that the Clippers conducted
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  Speaker 3: salary cap circumvention on Kawhi Leonard after a year-long probe.
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  Speaker 3: They are stripping the Clippers of five first-round draft picks.
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  Speaker 3: They fined the Clippers $ 30 million, and they've issued suspensions
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  Speaker 3: for Steve Ballmer, the owner, President Lawrence Frank, and President
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  Speaker 3: of Business, Jillian Zucker. The rulings have determined, after an
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  Speaker 3: outside firm, Wachtell Lipton, investigated the Clippers for over a year,
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  Speaker 3: that the Clippers actively initiated, facilitated, and induced for Leonard
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  Speaker 3: to obtain off-court revenue through four specific companies.
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  Speaker 4: That's millions and millions Oh, Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: Can I ask you guys a question?
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  Speaker 6: That's a hell of a pull for Steve Nelson. Brad,
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  Speaker 6: you have no idea what he just pulled. That is
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  Speaker 6: a hell of a pull, Nelly. I'm proud of you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about the tree farm, not the music.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is a song called Trees by Rush. This
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  Speaker 6: is a hell of a pull.
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  Speaker 7: So I was so prepared to talk about, hey, it's
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  Speaker 7: the open to see you season. Let's break down, see
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  Speaker 7: you Georgia Tech, get down to the nitty gritty, do
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  Speaker 7: all that stuff. And then this news breaks yesterday. And
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  Speaker 7: first of all, it was weird because the NBA did have,
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  Speaker 7: or I'm sorry, ESPN had an article saying the NBA
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  Speaker 7: wasn't going to do anything a few weeks back. And
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  Speaker 7: then the NBA kind of said, well, we are done investigating.
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  Speaker 7: And I think most people thought, well, okay. And then
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  Speaker 7: they dropped this. I have, I think, maybe a different
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  Speaker 7: spin on this. I don't think this is as harsh
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  Speaker 7: as people are making it out to be. I think
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  Speaker 7: this looks harsh. I think this seems like it's a
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  Speaker 7: super punitive thing. And you get to say, well, gosh, man,
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  Speaker 7: nobody in the NFL has ever been docked more than
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  Speaker 7: one first-round pick, and they've got five? I think there's
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  Speaker 7: something different here. I actually think the Clippers got off
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  Speaker 7: pretty easy.
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  Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. I had the same conclusion.
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  Speaker 4: Can I explain for a second?
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  Speaker 7: Can I explain real quick? I'll make this as quick
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  Speaker 7: as possible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Steve Ballmer's net worth is $ 170 billion. $ 30 million fine
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  Speaker 7: is a lot of money. It's a rounding error for him.
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  Speaker 7: He's got $ 170 billion. He can fine $ 30 billion pretty easy, okay?
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  Speaker 7: So one of the examples, Moshe, sounds harsh, typically would
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  Speaker 7: be harsh, really not that harsh.
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  Speaker 4: They have banned.
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  Speaker 7: Ballmer for a year, their GM for a year, some
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  Speaker 7: other executive for six months.
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  Speaker 6: So what?
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  Speaker 7: You don't think they're going to be talking about Clippers
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  Speaker 7: activities when they're at home?
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  Speaker 6: So we can't sit courtside.
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  Speaker 7: That's the punishment.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry.
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  Speaker 7: And here's the other thing. Five docked first round picks.
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  Speaker 7: That's a big thing, right? Losing five first round picks. Until,
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  Speaker 7: go look at the, I guess it's subject to change,
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  Speaker 7: the original Kawhi trade.
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  Speaker 6: What was it?
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  Speaker 7: Three first rounders from the Toronto Raptors in two seconds.
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  Speaker 7: which if you want to use those to cancel things out,
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  Speaker 7: you basically flip two firsts for two seconds. That's your punishment.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it's nearly as bad as people are
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  Speaker 7: making this out to be. In fact.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it's nearly harsh enough, to be honest
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  Speaker 7: with you, for the level of cheating that they went
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  Speaker 7: through and for Ballmer to look everybody in the face
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  Speaker 7: a year ago and say, we did nothing wrong, we
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  Speaker 7: welcome the investigation. You're either so willfully ignorant of stuff
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  Speaker 7: going on in your organization that you shouldn't deserve to
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  Speaker 7: have one, or you were so arrogant in that I
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  Speaker 7: do what I want and I'll never get caught for it,
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  Speaker 7: and that's even worse to me.
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  Speaker 4: Well, this might be the beginning of something even bigger
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  Speaker 4: because I don't know if you guys read... the email
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  Speaker 4: or note, whatever that was, that Ballmer's people sent to
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  Speaker 4: the NBA. But it basically alleged that, well, if you
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  Speaker 4: investigate any team in our league, you will find results
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  Speaker 4: like this. Why us? So they're basically accusing, suggesting that
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  Speaker 4: everybody does it. Why should we pay the bulk of
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  Speaker 4: the penalty? Well, someone's got to pay for something. And
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  Speaker 4: what you did here, the only people that end up
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  Speaker 4: paying for this are the fans. Think about it for
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  Speaker 4: a second. The fans are going to be watching a
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  Speaker 4: team that is going to be void of first-round picks,
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  Speaker 4: in complete dysfunction. The team is going to be crap
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  Speaker 4: for the next five years minimum. So what do the
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  Speaker 4: fans have for five years? Hope is gone. It's completely gone.
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  Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard escapes to the north. Why the Toronto Raptors
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  Speaker 4: suddenly find Kawhi Leonard missing acceptable after what he did
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  Speaker 4: is amazing to me. Hey, come on up here. Seek
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  Speaker 4: refuge up north.
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  Speaker 7: Kawhi gets out of a terrible situation in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 7: goes to a team that's trying to compete, and he's
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  Speaker 7: fined $ 700, 000 when he's made over $ 300 million in his career.
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  Speaker 6: He got Scott Freak.
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  Speaker 4: This has proven that Kawhi Leonard's a bad apple. Always
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  Speaker 4: has been. And he's hiding this cloak and dagger game
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  Speaker 4: that he's playing. All right, so he doesn't get much. Ballmer, again,
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  Speaker 4: he can make up that $ 30 million in months. Not
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  Speaker 4: even months, the money he makes. Okay, so he gets off.
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  Speaker 4: The general manager suspended for six months, what does that
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  Speaker 4: even mean? What, he can't do his job from home,
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  Speaker 4: from afar? What does that even mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I totally agree with you. The only people that
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  Speaker 4: pay a price here are the people that are loyal
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  Speaker 4: to the team.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Because the team's going to suck.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 7: What you got, Moshe?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I must say that I am pleasantly surprised. Now, I
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  Speaker 6: don't disagree with both of you in regards to the punishment.
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  Speaker 6: It could have been a lot harsher. In fact, this
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  Speaker 6: is not cheating. This is not salary cap circumvention. What
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  Speaker 6: we have witnessed with the Los Angeles Clippers is sports criminality.
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  Speaker 6: That's what it is. If it wasn't under the auspices
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  Speaker 6: of the NBA, they would be going to jail. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you're talking about like Martha Stewart perp walked in the
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  Speaker 6: back of a cop car kind of. Yeah. Oh, I
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  Speaker 6: almost said it. Good save. I almost said it, Vic.
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  Speaker 7: Good save.
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  Speaker 6: We all, I mean, credit to Pablo Torre. I'm going
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  Speaker 6: to give him all the credit in the world. Now,
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  Speaker 6: what's crazy for me.
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  Speaker 4: Vindication for him because he caught a lot of heat. 100%.
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  Speaker 6: What's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 7: But everybody who read Pablo's stuff was like, There's absolutely
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  Speaker 7: no way that they didn't circumvent the cap. Like, everything says,
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  Speaker 7: you pay somebody $ 40 million to endorse a product. Has
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  Speaker 7: he endorsed it once?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: That seems weird.
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  Speaker 6: This whole thing to me is remarkable, Vic. I've read
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  Speaker 6: through a lot of it. And it's just, it's fascinating
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  Speaker 6: how deep it goes. The fact that the Clippers could
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  Speaker 6: send a letter like that to the NBA blows my mind.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, you guys have balls.
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  Speaker 4: Or people. People.
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  Speaker 6: Or whatever it is, because you're dead to rights. You
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  Speaker 6: get one guy, you get the guy who got off
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  Speaker 6: scot-free in Kauai going, yeah, man, I really screwed up. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 6: everybody's fired. Yeah, man, this will never happen again.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 6: And then you got the other side going.
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  Speaker 4: What did he say?
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  Speaker 6: They conned me.
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  Speaker 7: They conned me.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm like, dudes, you're caught dead to rights. Look,
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  Speaker 6: they conned me. You're dead to rights. What blew my mind.
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  Speaker 6: is that the tree farm people, whatever they're called, they
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  Speaker 6: were just like at the ass end of it all.
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  Speaker 6: If you wanted to do business and you were big
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  Speaker 6: with the Clippers and their new building, basically, Vic, they
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  Speaker 6: strong-armed these companies into paying Kawhi money if they wanted
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  Speaker 6: to do business in building this new arena.
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  Speaker 4: Let me read a quick.
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  Speaker 6: Hang on one second. This is maybe the most fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: Part to me.
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  Speaker 6: The LA Lakers wanted Kawhi Leonard in 2019.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 6: And allegedly, well, I'm not even going to say allegedly.
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  Speaker 6: It's in the frigging report. Him and his people went
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  Speaker 6: to Jeannie Buss and go, this is not, we want this.
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  Speaker 6: She's like, no. She's like, I want you as a player,
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  Speaker 6: but there's no way I'm putting my franchise in jeopardy
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  Speaker 6: for you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm already doing that for LeBron.
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  Speaker 6: Right, exactly, exactly, exactly.
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  Speaker 7: No, I mean, but it just, so many things about
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  Speaker 7: this make it even more filthy.
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  Speaker 6: And dirty, Vic, than I thought that it was.
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  Speaker 4: And then, you know, to go on and on about
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  Speaker 4: how he and, And Paul George had their own private trainers,
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  Speaker 4: separate locker rooms. They handled themselves. They wanted preferential treatment,
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  Speaker 4: all this stuff. Kawhi Leonard's not a good dude, man.
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  Speaker 4: My conclusion here is I'm not very fond of Kawhi Leonard.
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  Speaker 4: I think Kawhi Leonard's a bad dude. And I think
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  Speaker 4: his family, they took advantage of him. He took advantage
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  Speaker 4: of people. Oh, and let me look the other way.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on. It's all a
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  Speaker 4: big scam. There's a reason, guys. There's a reason San
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  Speaker 4: Antonio said beat it at the height of his career
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  Speaker 4: when he was still elite.
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  Speaker 7: I was just going to say, he- exit from San
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  Speaker 7: Antonio was less than graceful for a really good player
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  Speaker 7: who won multiple titles. He gets to Toronto. He leaves
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  Speaker 7: after a year after winning a title. He goes to
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  Speaker 7: the Clippers and he says, get Paul George or I'm
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  Speaker 7: not coming. They're like, oh, okay. And then they trade
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  Speaker 7: away the eventual MVP. And what was that trade? Like
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  Speaker 7: six first rounders?
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  Speaker 4: It was five. He's a bad dude. And folks in
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  Speaker 4: Toronto should be suspicious. Folks in Toronto, if you're a
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  Speaker 4: Raptors fan, what do we have on our hands here?
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  Speaker 4: What is this?
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  Speaker 6: His last six seasons for the Clippers, he's played in 57, 52, 52, 68, 37,
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  Speaker 6: 65 games. This guy's also stealing games. He's stealing from organizations.
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  Speaker 7: Why did he play in 65 games last year?
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  Speaker 4: So he could qualify. He blew a 3-1 lead in
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  Speaker 4: a series. Listen, let me read. Okay, we know what
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  Speaker 4: Kawhi is. Kawhi's revealed himself. Kawhi's no saint. Kawhi's a
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  Speaker 4: bad apple. I don't care what anybody says. This little
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  Speaker 4: quiet game like he doesn't speak, that doesn't make you
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  Speaker 4: a good dude because you're quiet. You can be villainous
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  Speaker 4: and quiet at the same time. Your uncle fleeced you.
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  Speaker 4: And you fleeced a lot of people, too. No, but
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  Speaker 4: he did.
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  Speaker 7: I don't even buy that. What, you think his uncle
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  Speaker 7: was doing this without his knowledge?
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  Speaker 4: Please. Please. But the question that needs to be raised
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  Speaker 4: now is why the NBA acted so vociferously toward one
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  Speaker 4: of its own. And I think I have a theory.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think. I know.
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  Speaker 6: I think I have a theory, Brent.
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  Speaker 4: Do I have a theory?
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  Speaker 6: I think I do.
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  Speaker 4: They want to nip this sucker in the bud before
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  Speaker 4: people pull the cover off of everything. Vic, you are
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  Speaker 4: totally and absolutely correct. Do you guys believe other teams
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  Speaker 4: are doing something similar to this? Maybe not as.
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  Speaker 6: You know where my mind went? You know where my
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  Speaker 6: mind went?
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  Speaker 4: My mind went to Jalen Brunson.
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  Speaker 6: My mind went to Jalen Brunson, too! All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, wait! Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 6: You know, and I'm not alleging anything here, but it's
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  Speaker 6: easy to give away $ 100 million and be the good
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  Speaker 6: guy so your team can get other players if you're
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  Speaker 6: getting a back stream. That's probably very unfair.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what? That's where the mind goes.
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  Speaker 6: But this causes my mind to wander.
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  Speaker 4: But my thing is, is a max contract to Supermax
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  Speaker 4: not enough? Well, exactly. What the hell are we talking
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  Speaker 4: about here?
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  Speaker 7: So, listen. I said this months ago. I was like,
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  Speaker 7: a big reason why I think the NBA, number one,
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  Speaker 7: is dragging their feet on this is because they're terrified.
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  Speaker 7: And I still think they are, by the way, which
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  Speaker 7: is they didn't surprise Steve Ballmer by this, I don't think.
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  Speaker 7: I think he knew what was coming. And like I said,
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  Speaker 7: this feels like a punishment that surface level looks really
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  Speaker 7: harsh when in reality, not all that bad. And here's why.
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  Speaker 4: The picks are the bad picks. You take away five firsts. Correct.
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  Speaker 4: And that hurts. In fact, I know a team that
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  Speaker 4: can use those firsts. Why not share them?
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  Speaker 7: But if you get three first-rounders back in a Kawhi
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  Speaker 7: trade to Toronto, not all that bad anymore, is it?
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  Speaker 7: And now it's a lot more reasonable. But, Moshe, here's
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  Speaker 7: the other part. It's what you just mentioned, Vic. I
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  Speaker 7: said this months ago. You remember this, Moshe? I think
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  Speaker 7: the NBA is terrified that if they really went after
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  Speaker 7: Ballmer and the Clippers, Ballmer's going to go, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: He's Ray Liotta from Goodfellas. Can you point to the
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  Speaker 7: person who did it?
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  Speaker 6: That one. That one right there. I think I have
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  Speaker 6: a theory.
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  Speaker 7: He said in this statement that Vic was talking about.
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  Speaker 7: They were talking about introducing Kawhi Leonard to certain... Here
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  Speaker 7: you go.
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  Speaker 4: I got you.
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  Speaker 7: I have it in front of me.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: The Clippers introduced Kawhi Leonard at his request to certain
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  Speaker 7: team vendors and sponsors... Watch tell the investigator has known
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  Speaker 7: about these introductions for months. This is the Clippers response
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  Speaker 7: yet raised them only at the 11th hour, a pivot
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  Speaker 7: that demonstrates the league's predetermined decision to reach an adverse
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  Speaker 7: finding here. But more importantly, and as you well know that,
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  Speaker 7: and as you well know, as one of those, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: such introductions are both proper and commonplace in the league.
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  Speaker 7: We are confident that if the league spent 50 million
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  Speaker 7: investigating any team, It would find plenty of instances of
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  Speaker 7: team personnel making these introductions to sponsors and vendors in
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  Speaker 7: response to the player request. Here's what they're saying.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Go look at the Gambinos and see what you find.
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  Speaker 6: Look at the Luchases.
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  Speaker 4: There's a big flaw in this argument, whoever put this together,
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  Speaker 4: the lawyers for Ballmer and the Clippers. The flaw is this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you can make introductions to vendors. You can make introductions
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  Speaker 4: to sponsors. But the owner in this specific introduction... Is
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  Speaker 4: an investor of that sponsor. A chief investor.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The owner is friends with the sponsor. Personal friend. The
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  Speaker 4: owner gave the exact sum of money in sponsorship that
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  Speaker 4: went to Kawhi. I mean, come on. Come on now.
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  Speaker 6: Dude. Duck. Wax like a duck.
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  Speaker 4: Walks like a duck. Swims like a duck.
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  Speaker 6: Hates like a duck.
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  Speaker 4: Hate. Hey, man, credit to Pablo Torre. I agree. You
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  Speaker 4: know what? In the face of a lot of blowback,
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  Speaker 4: because he's faced a lot of it the last two
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  Speaker 4: months after that ESPN story, he held firm.
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  Speaker 6: Vic, I think I have a theory, and it goes
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  Speaker 6: a little bit like this. The league gets together with
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  Speaker 6: Ballmer and company and goes, look, this is what we're
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  Speaker 6: going to do. It's what we have to do. And
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  Speaker 6: we'll allow you to write a cranky letter. Here's what
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  Speaker 6: we'll do. We'll do this. We're not taking your franchise away.
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  Speaker 6: You're the richest owner in the league. We don't want
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  Speaker 6: to fight you for years in court. But we're going
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  Speaker 6: to do this. And all the other owners are going
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  Speaker 6: to back it up. So we'll do this. You write
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  Speaker 6: your letter. Let the trade go through. And then we
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  Speaker 6: don't want to hear about this ever again. You shut
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  Speaker 6: your mouth. Take your punishment. We'll shut up and sweep
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  Speaker 6: it under the rug and be done. We don't want
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  Speaker 6: to go to any of the other teams. But we
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  Speaker 6: have to do something with you.
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  Speaker 4: Deal?
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  Speaker 6: Deal. So they're allowed to write their little letter. The
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  Speaker 6: league can move away. Hey, the next thing is going
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  Speaker 6: to be, well, we're moving on from that. It's been determined.
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  Speaker 4: We're moving. Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 6: And the Clippers, you can put your little stink letter
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  Speaker 6: out there, but after that, you are going to be quiet,
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  Speaker 6: and you're going to eat your stuff, and that's it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot more to talk about with this.
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  Speaker 4: We have....
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  Speaker 7: Chad Brown is going to join us at 8 o'clock.
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: He'll give us a breakdown on CU. We got Legwald
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: who joins us at 9. Stick around. All right, we'll
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: move on because we have college football to discuss and
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: CU opening up their season. College football! I do want
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: to say one last thing on this. And I feel, like,
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: pretty confident in saying this. Like, this is a huge
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: cheating scandal. Think about what we're discussing here. The Denver Nuggets...
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: each year have lost a valuable piece to their team
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: because of salary cap restrictions. and straight up not being
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: able to pay the freight. They've done that while being
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: a good basketball team, but have a tough time maintaining
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: it because nobody wants to go in the second apron,
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: including a New York Knicks franchise that just won a championship,
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: and a week later their owner said, we ain't doing
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: no second apron.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: Well, how about the Boston Celtics who won, and then
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: they sold the team and said, we ain't doing it either.
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: We're going to lose key players this year because it's
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: too punitive to do that. By circumventing these rules for
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: whatever reason, You are cheating that. And in cheating, I
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: personally believe if you're going to go to these lengths
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: and then deny any responsibility beforehand, not admit to it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: If I think it'd be different if Balmer just said,
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: you know what?
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: Got us. Our bad.
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: Shouldn't have done it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: You're right.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: Big time problem. He was daring them to try and
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: find something. Daring them.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Now, listen.
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: One last thing real quick here, Vic. I think it's
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: a privilege to own a basketball team. There's 30 of
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: them in the entire world. It's a privilege to own
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: one of these. If you don't act right, then you
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: don't get a team.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: That's what I think.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: If you go looking under every rock, every rock, I'm
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: sure you'll uncover some things. You're going to find some
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: things that are not right. However, this one was blatant.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: This wasn't bad. It was blatant. It was a stupid
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: company to begin with that its chief investors included the
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: owner of the team.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Whose finances for this company who invested the exact amount
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: that Kawhi Leonard was making. I mean, let's not be
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: stupid here. Hey, Bo Nix is doing commercials, right? You see,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: you watch television. Bo Nix has commercials everywhere. He did.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, these are stupid allegations because I know it's
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: not true. I don't think the Broncos went to these
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: health institutions and said, hey, man, we need to up
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: the ante for Bo. Can you help us out with
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: a few commercial spots? It's not the same.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: Do you guys know this? Bo's making $ 5 million to
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: endorse these health companies. And the ownership group donated $ 5
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: million to these health companies.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: It's the easiest one-to-one you can make.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: We don't have any clowns.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: With their letter to the league, Vic, you're a kid, Northside, right?
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Say you're about 11 years old, and you and your–
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: who was your best friend at 11?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Probably Rich Apple, Gino Amato. Okay.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: So Rich and Gino– you, Rich and Gino get into
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: a little trouble down the street.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And Easy and.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: Bambino find out about it, and you come home, right?
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: And you said– They get the crap out of us.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: And you said, well, Rich and Gino did it– They
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: don't care about Rich and Gino doing it too. They're
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: going to slap you around.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: They'll slap Rich and Gino as well.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: And you know what? Collateral damage on Rich and Gino finally.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: But that's what I'm saying is that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: Is that Uncle Dennis? Is Gino Uncle Dennis in this situation?
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Well, no.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying just because other people have done it
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: or you can say, well, don't look at the Knicks
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: or whatever. It doesn't mean that you're getting off here, buddy. Yeah. Man,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: I can just see Bambina. You walk in the door,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: and the sandal is ready. Or the wooden spoon is ready.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Texter makes a good point.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: At least in some of these marketing efforts, you see
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: people doing commercials actually making the presence felt. Yeah. Leonard
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: didn't do anything.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: He didn't do anything. He didn't even say, uh-huh, uh-huh,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: buy a tree, uh-huh. He didn't even do that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: He just accepted the money. Kawhi Leonard's a bad apple, man.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: He is a sneaky bad apple.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: He's also incredibly stupid and lazy.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: That too. Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: He is dumb.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Stupid and lazy is also a part of that equation. Like, hey,
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: here's the idea.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: We're paying you $ 40.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Million under the table to do a tree place endorsement.
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: Can you take 30 seconds of your time and talk
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: about trees?
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: No.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: That's way too much work for $ 40 million.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: Can we get you on camera just planting a tree
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: in your yard?
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: No kidding.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, anything.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Hey, hey, hey. Listen.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: It's like it's infuriating in the stupidity of if you're
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: going to do this, can you at least try and
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: make an effort to make it difficult to find?
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Last thing, Vic. Kawhi came to the– this has been
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: going on now for seven years, which is crazy. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: could you imagine if the Clippers had won a title
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: or even two in that span?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: They're lucky they didn't.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Okay, I'm so glad you brought this up.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: Because I'm telling you, they'd have to be stripped of
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: their titles. They would have to be vacated.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this would be like college football. Yes.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: I was just going to ask something here. I talked
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: about this during the appetizer. I'm gonna use an extreme example,
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: but it's an example of something that I don't understand
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: how we do this in life. There's murder. and there's
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: attempted murder. And I don't know why the punishments are
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: different if the intent was the same thing.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: If you intended to.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: Murder somebody and you were just bad at accomplishing your goal,
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know why that's less than if you actually
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: accomplished it. And in the case of the Clippers, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: don't know if it would be more of a punishment
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: or less of a punishment if they won championships during
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: that run. Because think about it, if they won championships...
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: Maybe the NBA is more inclined to be like, well,
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: we don't even want anybody thinking that the cheating had
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: something to do with it. Let's try and sweep this
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: under the rug more. But the point is, part of
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: the entire discussion of the Clippers is, despite all of this,
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: how many playoff series they won with Kawhi Leonard?
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Three.
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: They were terrible.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: And they got to the Western Conference Finals the one
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: year without him. He was hurt.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: So it's like, Despite all of this, they bring down
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: this punishment, and I thought to myself, Moj, what if
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: they did win a title?
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: What if they won two?
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: Then what does the NBA do? Are they more harsh
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: in the way that they go about penalizing them, or
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: are they less? Because they don't want any people asking
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: questions about how much this helped their effort towards a title.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: The foundation now of the NBA and teams with caps
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: is that You're trying to make it equitable for everybody.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: The league cannot survive without the Charlotte Hornets and the
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: New Orleans Pelicans. You need teams to play. If everybody's
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: in it, then everybody... It needs to be equitable for
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: these teams. When you have one team blatantly trying to
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: go around a salary cap that establishes limitations to other teams, it's...
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: The integrity of the game is absolutely questioned. So I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: telling you, man... I would have taken the franchise away,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: but that's me.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: My biggest takeaway is when this all went down, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: have two. I have two. But my first one was, God,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: why wasn't it the Lakers? Anyway, the other one was,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: the other one was, you know, of the two L.A. franchises,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I wish it was the Lakers that paid the penalty.
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: Well, you know what, Vic, to the Lakers' credit and
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: Jeannie Buss' credit, they were brought that. And she said, no, no.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: The other thing to me is, and I can't get
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: over this and I can't come to terms with this,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: How does ESPN, with its assemblage of great reporters, some
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: of the most credible reporters in sports journalism, one month ago,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: file a story claiming the NBA found no wrongdoing whatsoever.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: And then one month later, not only was the story wrong,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: it was grossly wrong. How does that happen?
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: I bet because this did not come, there were no
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: names attached to that story, Vic. It came from anonymous, quote, sources.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: My guess is their sources were someplace inside the Clippers organization.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, but mosh, mosh, mosh.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: Vic's right about this. And look, there's a deeper sort
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: of discussion we can have in this if you would
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: like to, which I'm not really all that interested in.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Listen, I know Ramona, she's not going to believe just
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: one side without checking with the other.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: There's... I'm not saying this is true, but there's sort
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: of a more, I guess, hidden sort of thought towards this.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: ESPN used to be a leader in the story-breaking business,
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: including bad stories, right? Including ones that involve scandal and whatever.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: If I ask you guys a question, when's the last
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: time that ESPN did that? The worldwide leader in sports,
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: when's the last time they broke a story that was like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: oh my goodness.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're too in bed with their partners. Listen,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: and let's be forthright and honest here.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm getting at. When you own the games
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: and you pay a lot of money for games, you
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: probably have this partnership that's like, hey, if you do
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: hear about one of these stories, can we coordinate first?
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: It might be some of that going on.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Just like we're not going to break a bad story
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: about the teams that we're partnered with. When's the last
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: time we broke a story that was bad?
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: It's not going to happen. Sure. That's life. You understand
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that going in. ESPN is a longtime partner of the NBA.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I just don't get it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Well, to your point, it's like how they had the
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: article a month ago that said, absolutely nothing will happen.
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: And then the NBA was like, hang on. We aren't
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: done yet.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Give us four weeks. We'll let you know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: Again, Kawhi getting off for a $ 700, 000 fine and that
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: being it is a joke.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Can I read for you? An absolute joke. Can I
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: read for you Kawhi's? This is online. Somebody tweeted this,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: and I think it's hilarious. Damien Peters. This is Kawhi
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Leonard's legacy with the Los Angeles Clippers. And I've gotten
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: into it with Clippers fans in the past. Remember when
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I went to L.A. and I interviewed all the people
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: on the Santa Monica Pier?
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: About the Clippers. I can't remember the piece I did,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: but I was vilified. Anyway. Here's what his legacy includes.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard demanded that the front office trade for Paul George,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: forcing him to part with every asset they had, including
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Shea Gilgis Alexander. That's number one. Then he missed 243
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: games in seven seasons, the equivalent of three seasons. He
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: just missed them. In 2019-2020, he blew a 3-1 lead
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: in the Western Conference semifinals. Do you remember that semifinals?
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Do you remember who they blew it to?
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Nuggets did that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Nuggets did that. The next year, they got to the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: conference finals. The Clippers did. Without him. He didn't play.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: The next year, missed the playoffs altogether. In 23, eliminated
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: in the first round. He didn't finish the series. He
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: got hurt. In 24, eliminated in the first round. 25,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: eliminated in the first round. 26, missed the playoffs after
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: a game in which he was locked up by Draymond
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Green with the season on the line. Played just 35
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: playoff games. No championships. No personal conference finals appearances. demanded
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: the front office continue retooling around him every year, causing
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: them to trade for James Harden, which was a joke,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: collected nearly $ 350 million in salary, circumvented the salary cap,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: cost the Clippers five first-round picks, inflicted a $ 30 million
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: fine on the owner, inflicted suspensions of ownership in front
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: office with no pay, and then a personal $ 700, 000 fine himself. Oh,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: and he had his uncle banned for life. That's Kawhi Leonard.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: Can I say one other thing here? Again, Chad Brown's
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: going to join us at 8, give us a full breakdown.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: What a bad dude. That's a bad guy. That's a
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: bad guy. I don't care what anybody says. I don't
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: want to hear this, well, you didn't know. No, I
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: don't want to know. Well, he was taken advantage of
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: by his family.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: It's a bad guy right there.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: Texture asked the question that is a wholly reasonable one.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: Out of all of this, why gets the $ 700, 000 fine?
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: Which for a guy who's made, I don't, Moshe, can
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: you look this up? Nellie, can you look this up,
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: his career earnings? It has to be above 300 million, right?
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah of course you made 350 just from the Clippers.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: Alone yeah it's nothing 700 grand to him nothing why
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: didn't he get suspended the texture ass it's very simple
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: I know it's very simple 375 million 375 million dollars
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: in career earnings okay why didn't he get.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Suspended why.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: What happens to the Raptors trade? If he gets suspended
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: for a year, if he gets suspended for 50 games,
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: that trade gets voided and now you open up a
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: whole new can of worms that the NBA doesn't want
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: to have to deal with.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this. How stupid are the Raptors?
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: How stupid is Toronto? Hey, Toronto, are you stupid? You
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: make a trade for this guy when you know full
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: well this is going, come on. Don't be stupid. You're stupid.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: I also think they do not want to fight the NBA.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: You know what? They should have suspended him. Toronto should
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: have been hurt by stupidity.
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: Well, Vic, if you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Last thing on this, and I know we're... Damn it,
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: a whole other thing. But if you go back and
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: you look at the NBA's release and you go through it,
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: it says that both the NBA and the NBA Players
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: Association are lockstep in these punishments and they are... There
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: will be no changing of anything at all. So basically,
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: the players go, yeah, fine him $ 700, 000 and we won't
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: put up a stink or anything if you try to
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: suspend him.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Fine.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: Give him $ 700, 000 punishment and we'll call it a day.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: We'll let him go to Toronto. They didn't want, Vic,
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: they did not want to jump into that bullring with
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: the NBA PA and have this thing drag.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: On and on. I believe that trade happened not because
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: the Clippers... I think Kawhi and his people said, get
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: me the hell out of here before crap hits the fan.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they did. And get me as far away
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: as possible. Let's go back to Toronto, where I don't
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: have to wake up every day.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: To this.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: 303-504-0925.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: A lot more to get to. Chad Brown, 20 minutes
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: to break down. See you in Georgia Tech tonight. Stick around.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: Football in this state starts tonight. See you taking on
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: Georgia Tech. Dion going back to Atlanta.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: You know what makes me laugh? Yeah, me either. You
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: know what makes me laugh, though, Vic? It's time to
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: get it on. And what I'm afraid here is that
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: our young buddy, Brett, I mean, he's only been here
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: seven and a half years. He doesn't really know how
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: to get it on when it comes to college. You
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: know what I mean?
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: He has produced two kids in that time span.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Well, there's different kinds of getting it on.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: No, you're right. I have no knowledge of college football
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: or anything of the sort. Never been around it before.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: Cater, it's time to get it on, baby. Come on, man.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Let's go.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: Understand that I was in Lincoln every Saturday from 6
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: in the morning to 10 o'clock at night for about
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: five straight years.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Of my life. Yeah, but to be honest, we've had
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: this conversation. I personally believe you guys don't have, the
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: two of you don't have the requisite passion, energy, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: excitement for college ball.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: Oh, for Christ's sake.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: What does that mean? You just don't have what it takes.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: And it's okay. Tonight's a big night. Tonight's a huge
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: night for CU. You're going into Atlanta. You're going into
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Deion's old hood, man. That's where he played pro ball.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: It's his first stop. You have a chance to make
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: a huge impression in front of a national audience, not
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: only for your program, but for your recruiting base. You
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: have a chance to show off a new offense, a
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: new offensive coordinator. You have a chance to do something
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: you couldn't do last year, win the first game of
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: the season against this team. It's a big night. You
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: guys just don't have it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: See, here's the problem is you're lumping me now in
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: with Kaner.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Cool, Carl.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: When I also agree that he doesn't have it, but
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: I definitely do have it. So stop lumping me in, please.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I have this.
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: I've come to a conclusion for what I want to
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: see tonight. It has nothing to do with the offense.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: I want the offense to play well. I need to
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: see something from Juju. I want to see this new offense.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: I want to see this new system.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I gave you the numbers.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: I need... this defense to look like a competent defense.
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: Because if not, then you're in trouble. We watched Shador
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: Sanders throw the ball all over the yard three years ago,
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: and it resulted into a 4-8 record because he couldn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: get a stop. And that's the thing. If you want
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: to be able to be competitive at really any level
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: in football, but certainly in the Power Five, certainly against
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: a team like Georgia Tech that loves to run the football.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: You have to.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: You have to be better on the line of scrimmage.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: On both sides, by the way. Both sides of the football.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Well, we agree to disagree. I respectfully disagree with you.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: It sounds like you'd rather lose a game 9-7 than
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: win a game 30-29. I gave you the numbers yesterday.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: When the Deion Buffs score 30 points or more, when
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: they hit the 30-point mark, they're 18-3 since he's been here.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Score 30 points, you win this game tonight. I don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: care how many you give up. But hang on a second.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: What's the matter? There's no losing football games by playing
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: good defense. I mean, you're capable of putting both together,
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: but I also don't want to lose games 28 to 27.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Saying.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: I just don't want to see them gashed on the ground.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: There's a little bit of a difference here, though, Vic.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: Last year, again, Haynes King. Did he stick, by the way?
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Did Haynes King make the roster? I saw him in
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: the preseason.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he did.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Okay. He balled out in the Hall of Fame game,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: wasn't he?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: He had a good performance in that game.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Did he make it? Or is he practice squad?
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: He makes the Panthers roster.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, good.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: The fact of the matter is that they were 11th
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: overall in total offense last year. Do you know who
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: the quarterback is for Georgia Tech this year? Starting quarterback?
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Who is it?
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: Fernando Mendoza's little brother, Alberto, who transferred from Indiana in
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: January to Georgia Tech. Now, I don't know what he's
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: going to look like. Like a smaller Fernando. He is smaller,
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: that's for sure. But I don't know what he's going
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: to look like on the field, but he ain't no
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Haynes King. So at least you got that going for you.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: I just, Brett, I don't want to see them gashed
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: on the ground.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, teams were so unafraid to run the
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: football right at the Buffaloes. I mean, like looking right
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: in the face, I'm going to run right at you.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: And there's nothing you can do about it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: There's literally nothing you can do about it. And we're
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: going to continue to run right at you. And by
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: the way, if we run outside, we're going to get
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: the edge on you and we're going to have a
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: big gainer.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Do me a favor, Nelly.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: You got nailed.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: See if you could drum up some soundbite, some interview
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: with Mendoza's younger brother. What's the younger brother's name? Alberto. Alberto.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: See if he sounds like Fernando.
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: Oh, please, please, no. I want to see if they're
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: the same. No, no, no, Vic, what you're saying is fine.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: I really hope he doesn't sound like Fernando. They're brothers. Hey, Moj,
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: do me and my brother sound exactly alike? Yes, exactly.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you sound a lot alike.
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: Even your laughs are exactly alike.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: That's what brothers do. But what if he's like the opposite?
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: What if he's the anti-Mendoza? He's like, all the glory
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: to Satan! All the glory to Satan. We always expected
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: to be here and now we're here and we're ready
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: to rip your head off. What's that rock and roll
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: that's crazy?
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: It's just like Bizarro Fernando.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: Or evil Captain Kirk.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: So he's listening to death metal?
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: Glory to the Lord down below.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Jesus. Yeah, I mean, obviously it's nice.
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: We put all this preparation in over the spring, over
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: the summer, and finally getting to go out on the
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: field and do it against Another team, because I know
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: everyone on our team is tired of hitting each other
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: and going against each other. And I think every team
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: in America is.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: He sounds like him.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: He sounds like he's 12.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: He does sound like he's 12. From now on, Alberto
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Mendoza is going to be known as a Satan worshiper
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: who is always expected to win his entire life.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Nelly, play some of that really hardcore, what's that, death metal? No,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: hang on, hang on. Play some of that hardcore death
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: metal under his sound.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Nelly, Nelly, give me some Fernando, some of the audio
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: that I hate from Fernando Mendoza. Just on a drop,
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: something you have on a drop. We were never supposed
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: to be in this position.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: We were always supposed to be here.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: We knew we were going to be here.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: Give all the.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: Glory to God.
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: Give all the glory to Satan down low. Nothing I
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: enjoy more than the Dark Lord. It wouldn't be possible
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: without Beelzebub.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Give me another one, Nelly.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: Come on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Come on. I just want to keep going.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: We were never supposed to be in this position.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: From the very beginning of my life, I knew I'd
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: be right here.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: It's all glory to the one man that I worship.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Dude. Mr.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: And Mrs. Mendoza had two boys. You know, one went
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: one way and one went the other. But they're both
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: good quarterbacks.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Moj, Moj, I'm going to take you back to the
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: 80s because I know you lived there. Did you ever
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: watch that series called Rich Man, Poor Man?
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: No.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: Okay. No.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Then never mind.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: No.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've heard of it, but no.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Two brothers who went in opposite directions. Right. One became rich,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: and it was just that story you're alluding to right now.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: It just says, drop the kids off from school, turn
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: on the radio, all I hear is all glory to Satan.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Jesus. Anyway. What's it like to play with your brother?
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: I know you get that one a lot, but this
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: must be so incredibly special.
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: It's been truly amazing just to be able to share
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: the journey with him and just see him succeed in
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: all the things that he's prepared for.
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: My brother's a bum compared to me.
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: His whole process through the ups and downs and just
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: how highs and just keeping yourself level. It's truly been
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: amazing to learn from and just see how he does
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: it so I can just do that in the future.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: That's funny, man. I just, this guy, I don't know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: I swear to God, Vic, I have no idea what,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: We used to know what to expect. We used to
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: know what we think it could become.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: That's every college team. No college team has expectations anymore
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: based on personnel because all the personnel's changed.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: Well, I've been reading. By the way, I read about
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: your Irish. You realize they are co-favorites right now to
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: win the Natty? I know.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I don't like. Listen, stop it. I don't like that role.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: With Ohio State and Notre Dame. You know a lot
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: of their frigging personnel. Now, what's the Irish running game
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: going to be like with the running backs now in
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: the National Football League? I don't know about that.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Notre Dame's the worst school on the planet.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: I hate that Jesus outside the stadium.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: It's an insult to me and my religion.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: I can't get Bizarro Fernando Mendoza out of my head.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: No, no, I said Bizarro Fernando.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: I just can't get it out of my head. I
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: think it's like one of the funniest characters you could have.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: I want to be on Notre Dame's schedule right now. Oh, man.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: So here we go. We'll talk to Chad, I know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: in about eight minutes, which is great. Love talking to Chad.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: And we'll talk all of college football, but certainly with
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: the Buffs. It's like the blind leading the blind into
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: every college football season now. You know the big guns
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: are going to be good, but everybody else, you're like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: I don't know, man. I just don't know what it
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: could be.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: What happens if CU gets their butts kicked tonight?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: It'll be a... If CU's not competitive tonight and they
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: look overwhelmed, I think the writing's on the wall. What writing?
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: What does that mean?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: The end is near.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: The writing.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: The end is near.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: I've thought about that.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: What would it take?
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: What would it take? If they look disjointed, out of practice...
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to happen.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: You're talking about like 47-10, that kind of thing?
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Because Georgia Tech's not that good. I will say, if CU,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I think CU can win this game, but give me
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: a game, right? Show me something on a national stage.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: They're going to be in the lights where they're used
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: to playing. They've been in the lights for the last
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: three years, so here we go. And if they give
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: you a dud tonight, just wait until the talking heads
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: hit The airwaves tomorrow.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: Well, here's what's crazy. Last year, they played Georgia Tech.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Georgia Tech was a damn good football team last year.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: They were good.
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: They ended the season poorly, but they started 8-0. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: think they lost three of the last four.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: And CU should have won that game.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: They should have won that game. Like, remember how the
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: game started. Two plays in, it was a fumble. You
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: get a touchdown, you force another fumble. But you go
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: three and out. You force a pick the very next drive.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: You go three and out. It's like you could have
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: been up at least two, three scores by the end
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: of the first quarter. And you just kind of let
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: it slip away.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: They did that. They've done that. They've done that. See,
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: that's part of the problem, too. They have their blowouts.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong. They've had their blowouts. But they've
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: also squandered opportunities to win football games. And you're going, dudes,
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, can you just... Let me explain. When are
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: we talking to Brian Roth, by the way, about the Rambis?
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: Tomorrow?
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: When?
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Yep, tomorrow at 8.20.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Perfect. Okay. But I'm looking at some of these games.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: The BYU game. Last year, they had the BYU game.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: And BYU's top 15 this year. They had the BYU game,
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: and they blew it. They just had these games. You
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: get worked by Utah. You get worked by Arizona. I
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: get all that kind of thing. But you had games
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: where you were there, and you just blew the game.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: It's a bummer, man. It's a bummer.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: I think the Buffs win a shootout tonight. Do you really? Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: And the best Buffs games... with Deion at the helm
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: have been the shootouts, the TCU opener, the CSU game,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: the shootouts, the crazy scoring games. Those have been the
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: best games. Those have been the ones people remember.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but those games had a pro quarterback and a Heisman.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you can get back to that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm banking on this go-go offense, and I hope
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: it go-goes forward.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Jeffrey makes a good point.
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: How about this?
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: How about this?
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know who's calling the game for ESPN, but
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: it's like this. And here come the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: led by Alberto Mendoza. Chose the number 66 this year
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: with a little six on the side.
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: I'm only wearing 15 because they said I couldn't get
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: three digits on the back of my jersey.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: The great coaches, great teammates, everyone we have around us.
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: I'm awesome, and that's all you need to know.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: Chad Brown.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: We'll break down more of this game next.