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JFK ASSASSINATION - Members Only Episode - FREE PREVIEW · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to.
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  Speaker 2: It's picking me like chickens, shocking me like corn, strowing
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  Speaker 2: me like an ice.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I don't do sit ups, I don't do
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  Speaker 3: chill ups.
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  Speaker 2: I don't do nothing but get up through them guts
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  Speaker 2: with my jawns on. Bro, the hell did you talk
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  Speaker 2: about it then?
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  Speaker 4: Anybody?
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  Speaker 2: I'm letting all y'all know my exercise is up your thighs.
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  Speaker 5: Bro.
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  Speaker 6: Believe that Bro years up to be Stancho Bees Shore
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  Speaker 6: Bes and its timber be me that you mean stan
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  Speaker 6: chow be snop Dan y' for rad, I'm gonna mean
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  Speaker 6: stan your be Joe Bees, and it's gona be mean,
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  Speaker 6: and i'ma mean the show bet me jump.
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  Speaker 2: Sellom Joe kille Hoe fucking ho. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the not PG version of the longom And Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This is your weekly episode, Friday episode preview. Welcome in,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in, one and all. Let's see who's here.
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  Speaker 2: Joe looks like the homies are all right.
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  Speaker 1: We opened this one up to all members, not just
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  Speaker 1: the special people. You know, since it's the time of giving,
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  Speaker 1: the season of giving, you know, the Christmas the Christmas
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  Speaker 1: season is upon us. Hence the decoration round the horn here.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we have tiny dancer in the house, Big Tray.
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  Speaker 1: Sally's joining us this evening as well. And that's it
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  Speaker 1: so far, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: But I have Trey Sally, I believe, Oh yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: is that so far. We will get some stragglers coming in.
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  Speaker 2: I am sure, probably Jack working them hard.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's an off night, but you know, instead
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  Speaker 1: of trying to do this on Christmas night, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: people have family obligations and all of that stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: we figured we go ahead and do it tonight and
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  Speaker 1: get it out of the way, and let you know
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  Speaker 1: that for the Friday episode, we don't know what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing yet, so we will be taking suggestions this evening.
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  Speaker 1: So if you have something that you'd like to hear
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  Speaker 1: your boys talk about this Friday evening, go right ahead
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  Speaker 1: and we will take them under advisement and uh and uh,
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  Speaker 1: or we might surprise you with something. We always got
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  Speaker 1: something cooking on the back on the back burners. You
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  Speaker 1: know that we can that we can pull up one.
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  Speaker 1: But uh uh oh, Sally's on the baileies Wat's out now.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, that's not coffee, the alcoholic coffee it's not coffee.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a Irish cream. Okay, cream, I'm sorry cream
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  Speaker 2: people put it in the coffee. But she is in Ireland. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so that is fitting. It is and it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: twelve or for her.
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  Speaker 1: I hope she's not drinking coffee or she's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: up all night and drumk, pardon.
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  Speaker 2: Me, Hello, Sally, thank you for joining as always. And
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  Speaker 2: someone said Tray said Jack was here, is here or was,
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  Speaker 2: but he'll be back. I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: So Okay, damn camera's gonna mind of its own tonight.
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  Speaker 1: So let's Joe, let's jump right into it and quit
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  Speaker 1: wasting everybody's time. We got some things that just to
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  Speaker 1: clean up a little bit of stuff from last episode
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  Speaker 1: that we touched on but we didn't really go to
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  Speaker 1: in depth on. And I think our buddy Alex helped
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  Speaker 1: us out for this. And uh oh she's in London
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  Speaker 1: for Christmas and it's in a coffee. Oh and you're
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  Speaker 1: a late all night? Oh, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, I
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  Speaker 1: can hear home ready for bed already. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's been a day.
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  Speaker 2: But Sally, I want to ask you a completely ring question.
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  Speaker 2: I am a big Jack the Ripper fan. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to say big, but on a fanboy level, right,
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  Speaker 2: haveloid level. H Have you ever gone on one of
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  Speaker 2: those Jack the Ripper tours in London?
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: You must be really liking Robbie's series of podcasts he's
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  Speaker 1: been coming out with, Lady, because.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to the one he released today actually, but
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  Speaker 2: I was a fan of it way before, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: I like switching it up, right. You can't just listen
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  Speaker 2: to everything JFK or dB Cooper or whatever you got.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of got to switch it up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I do think Jack the Ripper and JFK might have
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  Speaker 2: an unfortunate similarity. Rob. What's that It's never going to
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  Speaker 2: be conclusively solved.
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  Speaker 1: True, not to everybody satisfaction anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's the thing. Yeah, you're never gonna Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I agree, but it's very much like the dB Cooper community, Rob,
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  Speaker 2: where you have everyone with their own suspects, right, and
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  Speaker 2: they all push their suspects, and the Jack the Ripper,
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  Speaker 2: like all the documents are gone because the policemen took
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  Speaker 2: them as like souvenirs, so there's no documentary evidence and
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  Speaker 2: everyone just clings to their suspect. And yeah, even if.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame me, Sally, I wouldn't be trapsing around
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  Speaker 1: White chap Wil after dark either.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's apparently not what it was in the
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  Speaker 2: eighteen nineties, late.
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen probably still a little shady, I'm guessing.
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  Speaker 2: But Sally, on a serious note, I heard and I've
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  Speaker 2: seen pictures, London is absolutely beautiful in Christmas time. They
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  Speaker 2: have all these decorations.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a big bin. Yeah, yeah, I got it.
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  Speaker 1: I got I was listening to the More Murray podcasts
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  Speaker 1: like years ago and got taken in and all that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's I mean, I joined the More Murray facebook
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  Speaker 1: page and all this stuff. It's a very sad story
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  Speaker 1: and you would think that they you would think that
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  Speaker 1: they could solve it. But man, I mean it's just crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with all Joe that's kind of up
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  Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods there.
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  Speaker 2: Brother, No, I'm not. I was going to ask you.
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  Speaker 1: No. So this girl come back to me when it
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  Speaker 1: was this young chick and I think she was a
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  Speaker 1: college student. I'm not sure where, but I know she
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  Speaker 1: was in Vermont. Like her car broke down on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road, and I believe she was with
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  Speaker 1: some friends who were supposed to be following her. She
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  Speaker 1: was following them or something like that, and she just
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  Speaker 1: ended up missing, like just it's totally disappearing. Like they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't find her, and they still haven't found her this day.
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  Speaker 1: And this is like ten years ago. But it was
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  Speaker 1: like in uh in the Vermont what is it called
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  Speaker 1: the White the White Hills or the White Mountains.
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  Speaker 2: Or I think there are a White Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was, and and there's like people that
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  Speaker 1: like live right across the road and they said they
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  Speaker 1: saw her there, saw her car, and and then she
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  Speaker 1: just disappeared like the like the cops showed up, the
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  Speaker 1: friends came back, and she was just gone. But she
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  Speaker 1: had she had been drinking in her car, because there
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: was evidence that she had been drinking in in her vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: But they think that somebody stopped to help her and
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  Speaker 1: just took her and killed her and buried her somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: They had some leads, but uh, yeah, it was uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. Sadly, Yeah, she ran off the side of
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  Speaker 1: the road on a bend, and I think, you know,
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: her car became inoperable at that point, and but yeah,
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: it was fascinating, fascinating podcast. But yeah, I don't what's
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: the name of it?
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: One more time?
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  Speaker 1: Missing Maura Murray? I think it was Moura Murray.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard about this, like the story seems familiar
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  Speaker 2: to me, but I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it's a good podcast, Joe, if you got time to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, dig into it.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: I have time and speaking of something that will take
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  Speaker 2: some time, Rob, did you get a package today? By
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  Speaker 2: any chance?
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  Speaker 1: Did I get a package? Yeah? I did not. I did, sir,
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: and I can get packaged two days ago.
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: Is it of a book?
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: It is not. Mine was full of hot sauce. Well,
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: let me take this time very briefly to thank Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Levine City Hot Sauce for hooking your boy up with
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: a holiday package of hot sauce. I got a bunch
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: of new flavors. I'm excited to try. Joe, there's the
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: Jam series. I think I got raspberry, uh and shit,
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: what was the other one? It was raspberry and maybe strawberry.
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  Speaker 1: Very excited for those.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I think he is a covert operator,
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: so we should be able to see this later, mister
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  Speaker 2: Jeff and of course we thank him for supporting us
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: as of course.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: Yes we love Rob filled with hot sauce and euro
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  Speaker 1: forevery sponsor, Sir. I will keep pimping your shit till
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: the day I die. But my package, Rob, Yes, your package, Joe,
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: how the fuck did you get down? Early?
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: Came today, hard copy and it is thick, That's what
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  Speaker 2: she said.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: I pre ordered mine from Amazon, but it doesn't come
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  Speaker 1: out for another three weeks.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Well you what I was saying is you should you
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: email Larry our addresses with the review copy? So yeah,
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: probably getting two copies.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: Oh is he sending us a review copy?
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: I think this is it. I didn't order one. Oh,
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: so that's why I was asking if if you it? Literally,
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend like an hour ago, said you have a
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: package from some books thing.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm pissed. I ordered something from eBay.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: It said it was delivered on Saturday and never showed up.
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: I got one thing. I ordered like five things from
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: the same place and one thing showed up. But I
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: said everything was delivered, and I'm just like motherfuckers. And
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, maybe it'll come today, you know,
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: maybe got lost in the mail truck, you know, and Sunday,
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: of course they don't deliver, and so today came home
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: and nothing.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the holidays, you know, things are always backed up,
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: and we're different parts of the East Coast. I guess
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: you could say, so you never know, maybe you're maybe
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: it'll be here tomorrow. I think so that's my guess.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you Just I.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: Am excited, man, and I haven't got gotten a chance
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: to go through it yet. I did a lot of
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: grant it for you because it's a review copy. I
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: don't think he had the choice. I think he just
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: like added a bunch of addresses to people he wanted
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: to send it to, like podcasters like us who have
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: decent reach and others. And I think that's what's going on.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Although of course I would love for that to happen,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: and I plan on that to happen. But I think
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: that was part of the review copy. And the only
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: thing I looked at. I went to the index and
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: looked at James River Martin, and there was only like
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: one or two pages on him. So I'm gonna have
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: to look.
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  Speaker 1: Did we get mentioned.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, to be honest, oh boy, I'm not
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: sure if, if, if any of our stuff made it.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: Through edit, but I literally just it's probably just on
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  Speaker 1: the cutting room floor. That's okay. We still love Larry.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: Let's also welcome in mister Scott Edwards. I met him.
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  Speaker 2: Are you dead already?
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  Speaker 1: I did it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry I missed that.
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  Speaker 1: We can still welcome him in because I didn't say anything.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: I just pointed to his comment.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, were you pointed without mentioning it?
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, while you were running your the lips. Okay.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, but he has Silk City on the way.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope he used the discount code Gumman and
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  Speaker 1: save twenty percent off of his entire order at checkout,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure he did.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he did. Scott a smart fella, yes, and
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: a very nice fellow. We uh. We were hanging out
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: a lot during the weekend, including the night at Campezes
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: from Thursday all the way up until Sunday, and to
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: his credit, Scott was there every day in the morning,
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: you know, ready for the presentations. Of course, we had
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: our kind of listener meet up on Sunday afternoon with Paula, Trey, Scott,
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: me another Skaffooza, and one or two other guys. I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember his name. Oh, Scott did use the code
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  Speaker 2: sweet good job sir.
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  Speaker 1: That way they know we sent you yes, yes, and
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: you also get so it's a way we went.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Yes it is, but a great time there. I waited
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: an hour for a chicken sandwich and at to miss
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: half of Fred Litman's presentation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the first half went like this. David Jerry was
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  Speaker 1: a good.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to know something funny? Because we're our
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  Speaker 2: members only, I'll say it.
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: We made a reference like a couple of weeks ago
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: about how when we were doing like our Saturday and
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Sunday Lancer recap, and I said, I think everyone enjoyed
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: our presentation except Fred, who was questioning the relevance of it.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: And I just kind of patted him on the back
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: and said, you're a good guy. He messaged me and said,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: can you please send me the link of the show
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: you did about me? Oh, perpetual Concepts, sir.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, happy holidays, you're just here on the special show.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it was like an hour and
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: a half show. We might have talked about like Fred
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: and his presentation for like one or two minutes, but
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: he thought we had done a whole show behind a
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: paywall out him and demanded a link, and I was like, Fred,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I said exactly what we said on I'm a lone
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  Speaker 2: gun man. Like everyone enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: But if you hear Fred, pay your nine ninety nine
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  Speaker 1: and become a member just like everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would be able to see.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody pops up here with a weird name, you know,
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  Speaker 1: defending fredri Letwin, you know who it is.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's I think his name is on the
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  Speaker 2: trail of delusion because I've seen him in the comments section.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: But he wouldn't be dumb enough to join the membership
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  Speaker 1: page using his real name.
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  Speaker 2: How many YouTube accounts do you think he has?
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure he's got some undercover.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I do so.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, I don't. But I'm sure you know,
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  Speaker 1: if he wanted to watch our episode that much, he
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  Speaker 1: would figure it out.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh yeah, Trey, it's I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's paranoid. I think he's just kind of a troll.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the description I used when I was
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: talking to Bill Simpach a week or two ago, and
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: he goes, that's exactly what he is. He's a troll.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I was saying on the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Lone Gunman, like he was trying to troll me. But
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I was just in too good of a mood and
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't let him, right. I just like smiled at
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: him on the back, right like I don't really I
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: try not to get bothered by this ship. But he
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: he means I think. I don't know if he means well,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: but he's a nice guy in person. He's a good guy.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: He's a good guy. That's good of a guy is Very.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. He's probably a better, much better guy
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: than Very. Hopefully if he ever joins this and listens
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: to this retroactively, he'll kill me or he'll.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Sent in Canada's sixteen, so who knows he is from Canada?
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: But that was just a funny interaction we had and
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I had to explain to him. I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: you're just.
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  Speaker 1: You hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 2: Oh was what was the name of that guy? He was, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly what we're talking about. I do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried to be nice to the guy. I
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  Speaker 1: think his name is Ronnie something. I don't know, but
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I was trying to, you know, smooth a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, you were, Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, watch the show. Maybe we'll change his mind
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  Speaker 1: heat and he stayed in for a little while, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when you consider how everyone else in the community
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  Speaker 2: treats low nutters. We are definitely a randy.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, Yeah, Randy. Because you know, I always make it,
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  Speaker 1: even on our Friday shows. I make it so only
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  Speaker 1: subscribers can comment, right right, so at least these assholes
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: have to hit the subscribe button to comment right control
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: now they can subscribe later.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: But uh hm, all right, well enough of the b saying.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get into some Christmas b sing later. But uh,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I wanted to follow up on a little thing about
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the Dallas Morning News reporter Jim Ewell, who uh hits
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  Speaker 2: you what you will?
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  Speaker 1: E will? E?
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  Speaker 2: Will you for sure?
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  Speaker 1: You're just making them I don't know that for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That's what was said on my copy of in some
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  Speaker 1: document his name was Jim E Will.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is e. It is E. Well, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it's Yule or sure.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay, so you'll talk.
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  Speaker 2: He uh hitched a ride over to the Tippet scene
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  Speaker 2: with Westbrook and his sergeant Stringer and someone else I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember, although he states it here, but friend of
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  Speaker 2: the show, Alex Harris sent me his oral history and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I found about an eight minute segment that he talks
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  Speaker 2: about and this was I think ninety six let me see, oh,
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  Speaker 2: December fourteenth, Oh, about nineties past the anniversary of nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety three, so way before the people we knew that were.
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  Speaker 1: At the side. This will be VCR quality, folks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he talks about exactly what we had gone
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: over in the last episode, and because of our last
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: episode ran over two hours as it normally does. Okay,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: just like the you log, Joe, is that that that
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that log that burns? Yes, that was a guess I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: thought I was going to look like a to do there.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So Alex actually sent me a couple of things on
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: him after because he and one of the great things
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: about Alex is when you ask him about something and
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: he doesn't know, he doesn't just make shuit up. He goes,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know, And not many people do that these
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: days in terms of researchers, and maybe that's because he's young.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: But he ended up following back up with me and
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm not sure and that happened with
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: his Q and A after his presentation as well.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Next. You know, I don't know that either.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least he took questions.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Next.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: So I figured I'd play a few minutes of this
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and we'll do a pause at a couple points, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: we'll have some commentary and just kind of expand on
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: some of the expand on him, which we were unable
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to do last Friday. So let me share this right here.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And I have to say rob restream has been really
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: good with playing these videos in my browser, whereas our
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: previous service was not that efficient. So if you cannot
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: hear it or have any issues, please let me know, sir.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Then I'm distracted by by what's going back in the building,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: and you know we had the talk about the fried
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: chicken bones.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Jerry Hill makes.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: His way up into the building and I remember now
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you, but back then he was on
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: the fifth floor, the fifth sixth floor, but he was
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: on the fifth sixth floor, leader where they found the
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: evidence of the sniper's nest. And Jerry makes the statement
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: he's leaning out the window and I'm staying down here
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: with you know, untold other people in the yard hear
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: the intersection brack right outside the building. But I'm looking
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: up in us and he's talking about, well, we know
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: what he had for lunch, fried chicken, and he's got
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: he's got this sack, you know, hanging out the window now.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: All this time though, I'm feeling very lightheaded.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: To be real frankly with you know, I thought I
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: was a professional, or tried to think I was a
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: professional reporter.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: But I'm beginning to lose it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I'm begin to get so light headed and I'm not
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: sure what I'm doing.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: When it starts hitting me. I think shock was begin
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: to take over.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Did you talk to any of other reporters who had
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: that experience? You know, I might have mentioned later to
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: others and maybe some agreed that they that they were.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Going to the same thing.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: But then I think what snapped me out of it
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: was then this report comes in about the shots police
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: officers down in oak Cliffe and that he has been shot.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: And this is this citizen that's on the police microphone
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: with that officer's squad car.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: And Ainsworth, Hugh Ainsworth.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Was another Dillas News reporter, and I remember that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: We big Hugh.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Hugh Amosworth.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, Hugh amos Worth Marine kind.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Of exchange questions, Uh, who should go to the that
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: and stay here?
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: And I finally said I'll go.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: And left, thinking I left Ainsworth here and I ran
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: and a police car.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Didn't Hugh Ainsworth claim to be at all three crime scenes.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I I don't know if you claim to be at
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: all three. Uh, it's very possible as you're as we'll
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: point out and i'll pause it later. There are a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: couple uh uh conflicts of of testimony, specifically Captain Westbrook's.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I remember this now, so the Jim Mule document that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I had, and this was from about the same timeframe
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: as his oral history.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: In ninety six history.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, remember that's when he said that gerald Hill said
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that they found chicken bones on the fifth and sixth floor.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think he just said. And I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: think he's tried to say that he set it out
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the window as then he was leaning out the window,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: which was the first picture you showed I think last week.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I think that is what he's referring to. Yeah, he
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: said he could have remembered it was the fifth or
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: sixth floor.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: No, but in the document I had, he said gerald
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Hill said they found on the fifth and.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Sixth floor, maybe uh, covering tracks just in case.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was still suffering from shock. Who knows.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is very convenient, by the way, right
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: if you're a reporter and you're not actually seeing anything.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And real quick, Joe, Yeah, you know, I saw something
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: about you know, Gaye Nicks is likely to be compensated.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I thought I saw something the other day that the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: sixth Floor Museum has the copyright to the Next film.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: They own it. So I don't know if she will
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: be compensated. If she does, I doubt it will be
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: as much, right because Orville Nicks sold his film to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: some something somebody somewhere along the way, and it was
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it was given to the sixth Floor at some point
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: along the way. Because the sixth Floor holds holds the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: copyrights to the Depruver film, the k Next film, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I believe there's one other film. It might be Charles
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Brimm or the much More. I'm not sure, but I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: read that the other day. I was like, hmmm, that's interesting.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: That might that might him up her lawsuit a little bit.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, it may not. I don't know.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I'm speaking totally out of my ass right now, But no, it's.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Not totally out of your ass. I heard the same thing,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: but it was about like a week or two ago,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and it was some decision.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: That, yeah, not just the copy, they owned the copy right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Very possibly it was. It was a decision I think
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the government was trying to dismiss it, and a judge
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: rejected the dismissal. So she still has the chance to
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: be compensated, but it's not guaranteed she will be. Yeah, right,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So they didn't just dismiss it. They're like moving it forward.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Is kind of what my understanding is.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Basically, just didn't throw it out correct, correct.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Right, right, So it moves on, right, or the case
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: loop lawsuit moves on, but it's no guarantee, of course,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to be successful. And of course, if you're gonna uh
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: have a lawsuit of this kind, chances are it probably
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: won't be And I hope I'm extremely wrong, but I'm
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: just talking about going against the government and things like that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So this was to the J. D.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Tippett shooting.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: JD Tippet shooting in Oaklip, Okay.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: And I didn't know JD. Tippett. I never heard the name.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, he was just he was another patrolman and
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: assigned to a beat in o'clid. And the car that
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: I got right in was driven by Sergeant Stringer with
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: the Dallas Police Personnel Section and his captain, UH the
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: captain in charge.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Of personnel Westbrook, and Stringer was his kind of sergeant
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: number two.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: UH.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: It was at his side, and so we we zipped
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: over the Houston Street vadoc into Old Cliff matter way
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: over there, and we got there UH after Officer Tipping
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: I had been transported to UH to Methodist Hospital first
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: and then they then they sent him to Parkland for
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: them because that's where they're going to conduct the autops
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: That was pronounced dead at Methodists what we call Methodist
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Hospital then there that was the nearest hospital there in o'cliff.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: The next step I remember, the next stop, we.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Mass stop you there. Okay, you went to the Tippet shooting.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: What did you see at that seat?
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm getting.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: The only thing I can remember was that that. I
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: don't remember ever getting up to the car or to
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: where Tip had been shot. I think what they were
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: getting reports of a gun money that they were tracking
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: and trying to pick up on us different citizens were
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: calling in the police bart and saying this man that
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: they saw shoot the officer now was head this way?
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Anything else?
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: And there was report that he had darted into the
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Marsalius Public Library there at Marsalists and East Jefferson.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And we had touched on that rob as well, the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: kind of false report yep.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: The library yep.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep that I called the church. Yes.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Well, while the officers were concentrated around that library, I
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: had a chance to get out away from the officers
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: that I was hitchhiking with, and I went into a
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Cabell's minute market there on East Jefferson, right down the
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: street from the library, to make my first phone call
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: to my city desk. All this time, the events had
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: been moving so quickly for me of this, I had
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: a chance to call in, and I called in, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: I got one of the assistant city editors on the
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: city desk, Harvey Bogan, and told Bogan where I was
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: and that I would like to have a photographer. I
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: need a photographer, and he thought, lost my mind. Here
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: I am an oak Cliff asking him for a photographer.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: When they got all of our staff and everything we've
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: got thrown into the story of the Kennedy sitting.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: What did he say to you call?
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: I can't recall, but knowing Harvey anything else, when I
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: got him on the line, I knew was gonna have
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: a hard time to begin with, because Harvey was a bob.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: You probably remember, Harvey was a tough nut, you know.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, you really had to convince him you had
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: something worthy of his attention.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: And I couldn't get across that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I need a photographer because I always made sure that
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: I had a photographer and position because oftentimes if the
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: photographer got a good picture, I could get a good
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: position on my story. And if I didn't have a
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: good picture, he'd go inside. That's sort of thing, you
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: know that. Anyway, Then as I stepped out to my left,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: there was a two story.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Boarding house, and I think it's still there.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: And as our stepped in kind in front of it, uh,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: the police officers running up around it as if you
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: know somebody had this guy who was looking for it
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: darted in there, and I'll never forget it. Up on
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: that balcony, slowly creeping across with a pistol drawn was
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: an assistant City Assistant District Attorney Bill Alexander, is that right.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: With a gun drawn?
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: With gun drawn across the balcony of which of the boys.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill Alexander is another person that we might have
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: mentioned briefly. Uh, district attorney, I guess was very hands
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: on and was kind of responding like a lot of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: other people that in theory shouldn't have been responding to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: this specific incident. And uh, yeah, I don't know.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: It's pretty much all hands on, dick. And if you
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: got a gun, come on.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, even if you're a district attorney a lawyer, right.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Alexander was over there in search of the of the
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: officers the selling too, because he.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Often piled around with the police. It always impressed me
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: that here.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Was so did you, sir? So did you? That's how
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: you were able to get the ride you and Ainsworth sorry.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: The member of Henry Wade's staff who came down to
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: the police department and made himself available to them, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: he was You didn't have to go to the courthouse
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: to see the see the the DA's attorneys. Here was
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Alexander running out there with the cops. And that was
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: just characteristic characteristic of Bill Alexander.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: So It wasn't a stunning and I will.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Tell you that guy that was up there, and if
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: he had confronted somebody else, who knows what happened.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but as far as you know, there was no
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: resentment of him.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Bill was as welcome as as any other friend of
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: the department. I mean he was their friend. I mean
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: they recognized that Alexander was a a cops lawyer.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I won't tell you he was. It still is.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Anyway, sometime in there, before we got down the street
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: to the Texas Theater, whether this guy had reported had
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: ducked into we had, they found Oswald's lee Harry Oswald's
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: light wind jacket wind breaking broker that he had peeled
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: out of there on Patton Street before he got up
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: to East Jefferson and discarded there. And we were looking
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: through that jacket and they were, I think there this
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Captain I was with Captain Westbrook and some other officers
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: and they found what was the laundry mark on it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I remember they said something about a laundry mark.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: And about that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Time, Yes, Rob got gotta pause it there. I think
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that he is referring to the laundry tags, dry cleaning tags,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: from California that are alleged to possibly be of Larry Crayford.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: You're music and I know allegedly.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Right right, but I think that's what he's referring to.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the jacket that was found, h yeah, so it
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: definitely wasn't Oswald's jacket.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think so either.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: The radios were telling them that the suspect had seen
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: had been seen entering.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: M I know, right, They like during an oral history,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you didn't show up the phone.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Well, let's say, but that's okay.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Uh so you you spotted Alexander on the balcony of
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: the boarding house across the way, then you were expecting
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: along with the other officers, I gathered, uh the jacket
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: of Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Life was there? Was? What kind of identification was this mark?
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Was this laundry mark Wes? I can't remember.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: I know that they they were looking at that and
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: they were at that moment. Then the call came in
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: that the suspect had been reported reported entering the Texas Theater,
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: which was probably another three blocks uh west down Jefferson Boulevard.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: There changes the subject quickly, The flex from the question.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Back towards the center part of downtown o' cliff. So
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: the officers that I've been trailing with ran and jumped
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: in their car and they were already backing out.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: They'd been parked nosed in at cross the street and
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: as they backed out, I hadn't been able to get
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: into the car.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I had the back door.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Open, and as then as they made a swing to
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: the left that that flew, that door opened further anything
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: else and was swinging, you know action, and I'm hanging
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: on that door. I still don't know how I got
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: in that car because they were putting the pedal, you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: to the gas.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Where were they going?
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: They were Texas, I said they were on We were
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: on Paton Street and they were going to turn make
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: a right turn onto uh on the Jefferson to go
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: up to the Texas Theater about three blocks away. But
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: I got in everything else, and when we arrived at
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: the Texas Theater. Uh, they parked directly in front of
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: the theater.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I remember, stop it there.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I know we read Westbrook's Warrant Commission report on last show, Rob.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Do you remember where Westbrook said he parked?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Uh? Not out front. I believe it was in the rear.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: It was in the back. Yeah. So uh, you know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: he's naming Westbrook stringer, he's getting rides from them to
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: other places. It definitely contradicts Westbrook's warrant commissioned testimony, mister
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Ewle's oral history here. If they were in the same car,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: which he doesn't specifically specify, of course, he specifies he
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: was with Westbrook when they found the jacket, or on
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the way with Westbrook when they found the jacket.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: It sounds more like he would have been with Gerald
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Hill in that car. Huh they parked out front.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you were to believe him, Yeah, what he's
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: saying there, I'm just saying he might have thought he.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Jumped in Westbrook's car. Maybe he just jumped in somebody
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: else's car and they you know, the excitement of the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: moment and the hold on and you know tape right. Yeah,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and I think later you're at the Texas Theater and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you're getting out and everything everybody's rushing in, and.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, does that sound exaggerated to you as his story there?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I think he's embellishing a little bit. Okay, how I
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: got in the car, But if the door swung open
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and I leaped five feet, just the land directly in
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the seat. I shut the door and off the wind.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, And I don't think we have another minute
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: here left.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: So still I was still ain't on a photographer to
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: show up.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right for that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: And of course other squad cars were screeching out and
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: stopping the else and everybody's slamming doors, jumping out, and
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: then else, and they were all rushed in, and I
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: just rushed.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: In with him everything else.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: And when you entered the Texas Theater there was the
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: it was still semi dark, I remember anything else, and
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: they were now and now Oswald, now we know we're
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: sitting in there waiting or trying to use that as
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: a hiding place. We know that he was alerted that
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: the police were there because they were shouting for the
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: management or tenants to turn the.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Lights of the house.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Lights were shouting the police, police, police officer, see, oh sure, yeah,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: all that Now the other officers had gone behind the
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: in the alley and they were coming in behind the
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: big screen. The guy there had sighted the Oswald entering
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: or thought oswell to the Texas Theater and noticed that
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: he didn't pay buy a ticket because he that was
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: at the shoes the shoe Tel Shoes manager.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Right, at what stage did you begin to suspect this
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: was the possible assassin of.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: The press, None whatsoever. All you were thinking about was
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: no ticket.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: All I know is we're chasing the guy and shot
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: shot at the police officer at that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty much the gist of it there, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: he just goes on and rants. Although I have not
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: listened to the last hour and fifteen minutes of this,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: but I.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: On the sixth floor Museum website if you like, yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And maybe we could maybe I'll comment, or we'll post
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: this in the show comments. But you could just also
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: google jim U L E U will E W E
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: L L Oral history and you will be able to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: find it very quickly, but very interesting because he makes
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: it seem like he was not with Westbrook who said
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: he parked in the back and was maybe with Hill,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: although he said he was with Westbrook and his sergeant
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Stringer in Texas school book depository, to the Tippett scene,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to the wallet, to the fake church, right, what was
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: it church? Yeah?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So church? It was a real church.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So it's just the library, sorry.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Library that I knew. I got it backwards, So just
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: very interesting. And I didn't know he had done an
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: oral history. Of course if he is kind of.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of people done in oral histories that
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: have Like I heard it on the radio that day.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I was sitting in my kitchen and got, I mean,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: there's people that have no bearing whatsoever on anything that
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: have done oral histories.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: But right, but Jim did have have some significance to
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: toesday and I you know, there are hundreds of horror histories,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: but I didn't know that he had had one until
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: this past week. But definitely someone that had to be
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: friendly with the DPD in order to jump in with
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the Captain of Personnel or sergeant or.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: With has done in oral history. Yes, so why haven't
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: we Why haven't we done this?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: That's a good question, sir. So that that is all
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I have on that, and I'll let you go. I
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: have one or two more random things later if we
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: have time, but I'm just checking some comments right now.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: All right, So I guess it was about it was
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: it a week ago that I kind of went off
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: on a tangent about Fraser and the package and all
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that shit on the Members Only show. I think it
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: was last.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Week's this past Wednesday or two weeks ago Wednesday. I
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: don't know what. It's all a blur, one of them.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: It's all a blur. But I just wanted to show
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: everybody that I wasn't talking out of my ass. And
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I've mentioned it on the show before. But since we're
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in video form now you get to see everything. So
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: let me pop this up real quick, Joe. Okay, So
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: two out of four of Fraser's HSCA testimony tapes are
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: so badly damaged they cannot be transcribed. The other two
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: are barely listenable. Some interesting tidbits that you can make
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: out include Fraser talking about the military and this little
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: nugget here. Fraser. No, I didn't know that he'd been caught,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: but I will tell you this. I knew that he
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: hid the rifle. He did, and I said to myself,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that was the first thing right there
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: on the steps. I also knew that I didn't want
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to get pulled in. Mm hmm. Okay, this is this
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: is very damning evidence. You know, when we're talking about Fraser,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Bue Wesley, Fraser and I think we got on a
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: tangent about the rifle and taking it into the building,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to clarify my position that just because
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald, obviously I think, took a rifle into
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: the building that day and Fraser knew it that, you know,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think that he was on the sixth floor
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: shooting that rifle. And I understand why Fraser lied about
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: it because he didn't want to be charged as an
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: accessory to the murder of the president, because that's the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: likely supposition. Like, well, dude, you got you brought him
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to work, obviously. You know you're a hunter, you are
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a rifle owner. You know what a gun looks like
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: in a hardshell case. You know what a gun looks
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like in a soft case, a leather case. You know
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: what a gun looks like in a paper in a
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: paper case. You know, it's a pretty distinct shape, you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in link type of thing. Right, So if if if
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Oswald had brought a rifle to work that day in
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a bag, beg enough to hold it, then he would
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: have known it, right, And you know, of course he
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: probably never thought that. You know, I was was going
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to take a shot at the president from the Schuber
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Depository at that moment. But you know, after the fact,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you know, they gave he He gave them what they wanted,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: which was Oswald taking a package into the end of
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the depository. But he made it only two feet long,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: which definitely cannot hold a rifle or broken down rifle.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: So that was apparently good enough because they just figured, well,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: he's just mistaken about the size of the package. But
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: they never did find a two foot paper bag or
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a two foot or curtain rise in the school book depository.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: You know, they did come out with this big old
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: bag when they brought the rifle out. But that just
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: lends credence to the fact that in his HSCA testimony,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: this Fraser said this. Now, even if this is transcribed
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: off a little bit like I knew that he hid
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the rifle or I knew that he had the rifle,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you know, two things that are pretty pretty similar, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: But it really doesn't matter whether he says I knew
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: that he hit it or it knew that he had it. Yeah, right,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I said to myself, Oh my god, that was the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: first thing right there on the steps. I also knew
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that I didn't want to get pulled in. That sounds
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: like a pretty hefty confession, you know what I mean
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like this is what he told the Agenca. And his
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: tapes are very hard too, Yes, Sally on the step
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: before lunch after the shooting.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it is very hard. I've tried to listen
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: to it before and I couldn't get a few.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: It's very hard to listen to, very very hard. Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: You would need like some sophisticated equipment to get through
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that somehow that I do not have. And the next
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: thing I want to pop up here on the screen,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Joe is a Sheriff's Department, County of Dallas. I forget
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: what you call these things. They're kind of like a
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: witness statement basically. And this one is from Emmett Hudson,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: who is seen in some of the photographs and films
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: from the day. He was one of the three guys
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: that were on the steps that lead down from the
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: grassy knoll, right yeah, And he was employed by the
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: City of Dallas, Texas in the parks department back then.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: And you know Dallely Appliza being like a little park,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: right right, he says, And he gave this statement, let's see,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: on November twenty second, age fifty six. He says, I'm
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: presently employed by the City of Dallas, Texas in the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Parks Department. I have been so employed for the past
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: six year. My position is to take care of the
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: properly property located on the west side of the Houston
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Street between Houston Street and the Triple Underpass. I also
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: take care of the fountain in front of the Union Terminal.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Excuse me. This day, I was sitting on the front
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: steps of the sloping area, which is on the grassy knoll. Right,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: he said, there was another man sitting there with me.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: He was sitting on my left and we were both
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: facing the street with our backs to the railroad yards
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and the brick building. At the same time, the President's
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: car was directly in front of us. I heard a
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: shot and I saw the President fall over in the seat.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I do not know who this other man was that
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: was sitting beside me. In our conversation, we talked about
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: having a hard time finding a place to park. He
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: also talked about working somewhere, I think over on Industrial Boulevard.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: This man laid down. This man said lay down, and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: we did. I definitely heard three shots. The shots that
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I heard definitely came from behind and above me. When
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I laid down, on the ground. I laid on my
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: right side, and my view was still toward the street
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: where the President's car had passed. I did look around,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: but I did not see anything unusual either, anyone running,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: and I did not see any firearms at all. This
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: shot sounded to me like a high powered rifle. Emmett
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Hudson Hmm. So he said it definitely came from behind,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: above and behind me and he's sitting on the steps. Okay, Yeah,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: that's that's, you know, pretty hard testimony to refute.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: And corroborated by I think pretty much most of everyone
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: that was in that similar place position, Yeah, including the uh,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: the husband and wife that were shielding their kids.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Now, this next one's for Trey. FBI report from June
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: twenty eight, nineteen sixty four, out of Shreveport, Louisiana. Ooh yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: it's not for me. Nope, nothing here for you, Joe,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: sorry for both of us. Nope, sorry all right, mister
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: f Lee Mudd Route one, Box one O nine, Keisville, Louisiana.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Advised as followers, Now this is a statement taking June
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: twenty eight to sixty four. Keep that in mind. This is,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you know, one two two months after the assassination.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Wait June January. Oh, I'm sorry, thank you.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: On November twenty second, sixty three, I was in Dallas,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Texas on a business trip to urch Is Clothing for
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: a store that I operate, the South Side Ranch Question,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: since I decided to watch the parade for President Kennedy
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: at about noon. I was watching the parade from a
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: position on the north side of Elm Street, some seventy
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: five to one hundred feet west of the Book Depository.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I saw the President's car approaching from the from the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: east on Elm Street in the parade, and I recognized
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: President Kennedy and I saw him waving to the crowd
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: when I heard what sounded like two gunshots, and I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: saw the President's slump over. Immediately thereafter, I observed the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: President's car pull out of the line of the parade
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and continue west on Elm Street toward the underpass. When
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: the President's car came abreast of me, I could see
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the President slump down toward his wife, who was leaning
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: over him. I recalled seeing another man in the car,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: whom I did not recognize at the time but later
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: learned was Governor Connolly, and this man appeared to be
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: holding one arm to his side. However, I did not
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: notice this man so much because my attention was focused
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: on the president. He definitely recalls hearing two shots, probably
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: less than a second apart. He said there may have
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: been a third shot fired, but he could not be
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: sure of this. He stated that immediately after the shots
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: were fired, some of the spectators along the side of
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: the street dropped to the ground, and he did so hisself,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: insomuch as the shots alarmed him, and he did not
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: know what was what had happened, or where the shots
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: had come from. He looked around him, and he recalled
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: that in looking towards the building nearby, he noticed several
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: broken windows orner about the fourth floor, and the thought
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: occurred to him that possibly the shots had been fired
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: through these broken windows. However, he did not observe any smoke,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: nor did he see anyone at the windows, nor did
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: he notice any motion within the building. He said the
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: building appeared to be abandoned subsequent to the shooting. He
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: did not notice anyone enter or leave the building. Mister
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Mudd stated that when the shots were fired, they sounded
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: as if they came from the direction of the building.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Mister Mud stated that he remained in the vicinity for
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: possibly three or four minutes, after which he walked back
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: towards the main part of town where he had parked
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: his car. He did not remain to talk to police
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: or secret servicemen because he did not feel he had
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: seen anything that would be of assistance. Mister Mudd said
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: he was met. He has not met with anyone else
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: at the time this occurred. He said he later made
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: another trip to Dallas accompanied by his wife, and he
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: showed her the place where the assassination occurred, and that
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: he observed the school book Depository building and he is
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: confident that this is the same building he was standing
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: near at the time of the assassination. Mister Mudd said
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: he could furnish no further information regarding this matter, which
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: is wild.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah you think you'd.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Remember, yeah, you think anyway. I just thought that that
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: was under residents and another witness testimony that I had
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: not heard before, mister mud Mud and I had found
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: this creepy looking picture and I had tried to find it,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and it's probably on my work computer, but it was
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: of an angle of the school book depository that I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen before, and it was posted by the sixth
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Floor Museum a couple of years ago. Oh here it is. Now,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: let me pull this up because, uh, hang on, let
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: me grab it. Because what mister Mud was saying there
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: about the school book Depository looking abandoned and that several
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: windows on the fourth floor were broken out, which doesn't
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: sound right to me, Like that building was in, you know,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: pretty good workable condition, I thought.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And weren't there skuffoss hanging out the fifth floor window?
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to understand, Joe. This is apparently he
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: was over on the grassy, no one near emmtt HUDs,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: So you have to when he was looking at the building,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: he's seeing it from the side. He's not seeing it
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: from the front.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: And this view of the school book Depository I had
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: never seen before, and it does look pretty shitty. Is
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: anyone let me pull it up? Okay, So this is
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the angle of the view from the side. I mean,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: you can see the hurt sign up there right.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Why is it crooked?
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just I'm just I think it's
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: such a matter of perspective. I don't know.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: It could very well be.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: But look, how like run down and shitty? You can
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: see the windows are boarded up on the probably the
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: third floor, second.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Floor, the second and third floor, maybe first.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: And second, I don't know, wait, first, second, third, fourth,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: fist No, one of those seven six four, third, second
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: floor definitely, and I guess the first floor would be
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: down there by the dock. So on this end of
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the building, this is where the like if you were
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: looking at the school depositor from the front, and remember
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: how they walked the tramps past that weird design, yeah front, Okay,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: well those were the front doors for the where they
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: parked the big box truck like you would you could
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: pull through. You can pull from the from the rear
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: here right through that little I guess breezeway, if that's
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: what you want to call it. There's a dock on
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: this side where they would load the box truck up
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: and then it could just pull out the front right.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: H But look, the I mean, the fence is all
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: fucked up, the grass as long as ship. Yeah, the buildings, yeah, yeah,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: it just looks rough. Never seen this side of the building,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: but it does not look good at all. So this
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: is what he was describing when he looked back at
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: the building, because this is the view that he had
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: right from the side.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: So if you look to the right, that's where kind
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: of jaff kate was going down right like your right. Yeah, so.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Very weird looking.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even today that part isn't like built up.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: It's like paved up with pavement. But it's not like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: very nice either.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it definitely looks run down from that angle
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very sure.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The Keiths Bill Mud.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you know them? Try it sounds like you
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: do or you're messing with us.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: He might. We got some MUDs here. It's a big clan, folks, boy,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I mean it's clan really. Oh yeah, the Mud and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: the MUDs.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't tell if you're messing with us.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not. There is a big clan here in my
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: town of Mud. Yeah, I remember that was the doctor's name.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: That uh uh what's his face? Who shot a.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: Blinking uh uh?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: The fucking actor uh boo boo.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: That's John Wilks Booth. That's the doctor Mudd's house.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: So you put me on the spot in the Maryland.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: So the MUDs are thick, the MUDs must be scattered
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: all over the place.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting, huh.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I got jo if you want to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: pick up with what got left there?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I figured, you know, we're about a little
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: over an hour into it.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I was going to.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: H I figured we do a little biesing about Christmas
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: plans if you like, sir, and I so there's a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: potluck me and my girlfriend are going to tomorrow. It's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: her family and two years the pot yes, yes, smoking
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: it and bringing it yes. And so two years ago
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I brought some like great Italian appetiser tiny. I'm gonna
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: look forward to your your comment here, but it is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: long hot peppers, long hot Italian green peppers, persuite Italian bread,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: tomatoes and mutzabelle. And I got this imported Brigute today
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: fire with his homade mozzarella Italian bread. And I'm going
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: to make a little platter so everyone can kind of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: make their little sandwiches. I did this two years ago.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: They went nuts over it, and now they asked me
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  Speaker 2: every year for it. And I went shopping for that today. Prisute, yes,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: and even ruby. She has a bone here with like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: little holes in it, right, and I stick Brigitte in
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: it to like distract her for like a couple couple
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: hours as she tries to like get the brisute out
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: of the holes in her bone right by chewing it.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: And although she seems to be sleeping now, she loves Burguitte,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: which is great because if I had a dog that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: didn't love Brigitte, you might have a problem. And that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: is one of the things I am I went shopping
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  Speaker 2: for today that I will be cooking the hot red
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: peppers tomorrow. But on the JFK note, Rob, I had
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: one more thing I want to yes for you. And
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: this is infuriating.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna as infuriating as core us worse calling
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  Speaker 1: all his dumbfuck worse worse.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: You know your boy James Files. Yes, well, some stupid
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel called Documentary Central released the video interview of
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: James Files. Of course they released it to the same
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: thing with different thumbnails in the same within a back
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: to back week. But bro, they have two point four
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: million views within two weeks. I took the screenshot yesterday, okay.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: And how I know that you know this is Legit
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: is because we also had a James File audio.
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  Speaker 1: Thing on yes until I will beat a cease and
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  Speaker 1: desist letter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and after this beautiful sights, uh.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Hid what's his name? Oh Man, wim dank Bar. Yeah,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: wim dank Bar. Basically three YouTube sent us a cease
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and desist letter and removed James Files audio interview. So
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: this guy is gonna get sued whoever the fuck this
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: documentary channel is, or.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's him and he has some like somelit going
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: on with him. I don't know, but I'm saying I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: saw this two weeks ago, and because my algo.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Is like, yell too, pushing up here, because whim dank
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: bar will get into this ship and fucking right, But
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: it took him six months to get our audio down.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: To almost two point five million views in two weeks.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: And it goes back to the thing you said like
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: six months ago, like the bullshit. I can't remember exactly
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: what you said, essentially like good research. You know, we'll
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: get shadow band, but if you if we do a
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: show on James Files or Dorothy Kilgallen or whatever similar topic,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: it's gonna fucking blow up. Now Do we do that? No,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: because that's not our game. But it just makes it
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: just gets me kind of frustrated to see, you know,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: almost two and a half million views in two weeks
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  Speaker 2: weeks for this bullshit when here we are doing good
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: research and conversation and grinding it out, but it does
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: not matter to the algo man. I don't know, and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: not to mention the same stupid I already said this.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: The same channel releases the same thing with a different
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: thumbnail a week apart and gets a million views on
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: the second one.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: It's well, you know why, I guarantee the first one
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: got demonetized.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't know the second one would definitely have
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: to be demonetized.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm saying they put out the second one
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: because the first one got demonetized.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Right, But I'm saying they write they would have Oh
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm saying that they would.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: That in the title and stay monetized.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yeah, but I'm saying the second one they
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: would expect just as much to possibly be demonetized as well.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: And we get to monetize what they change the title doo.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't know.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: It's just I saw that and I wanted to screenshot
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: it because of the ridiculousness. Yeah, that's it's frustrating, but
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: we will continue on the grind here.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Literally, you have to tiptoe around the titles. That's why
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of these titles of our shows don't say
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: exactly what we're going to be talking about because a
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: lot of this, I mean, we are talking about a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: murder here of a president that was killed, and there's
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that there's keywords you cannot say,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: or putting the title to your video you cannot monetize it.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: There's literal like rules against putting that shit in your title,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: you know. So that's what I think happened. I think
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: they put the first one of this is I killed JFK.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: And then it lasts for a week or two or whatever,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and then they demonetized, so they redid it and put
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: it back out saying JFK with my target.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: You know what. That's a that's a really good theory
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: because I couldn't understand. I was like, where are they
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: just going for views here? Like I couldn't like, I
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: couldn't put it together. But I think you just soelt
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: it for me, sir, and and I think that's a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: good segue into why we are so grateful, especially over
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: the time of the holidays, for our paid subscribers of course,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: are to superspies Jack and Trey and are grow growing
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: covert operators and our spooks. So you know, we're trying
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: to promote truth here. It is an uphill battle for sure,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: as we just showed, but with your support, ladies and gentlemen,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: we will be successful.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: So just you know.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: And during the course of the holidays and of course
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving went in terms of what you can be thankful for,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: but I am thankful for literally each and every one
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: of you, of our members.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: So how would you like to bite into a Scottish
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: beef rump joint? Joe with stuffing balls and pigs and blankets?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: That's actually what kind of balls like rice balls, like
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: mozzarella balls, aaron Cini balls, which are the rice balls.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: You'd have to get a little more context, but it
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: sounds pigs and blankets. I mean, you don't have to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: sell much. And I'm guessing this is an English and or.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Ireland Scottish beef joint. Is that like the been a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: meat there under your ass cheek like.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Pigs and blankets with meat?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: No beef rump joint? Yeah ump, I know that's the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: beef ass. But the joint there must be like a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: tender tender spot, like a tender loin.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there are all these different spots and.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Right the tender loins.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sally, I'm so down to try it. I'm so
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: down to try it.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: It's the ass bit. Yes, that's when Paula.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Paula just recently joined us. I'm sure she'll catch up.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: If she did join us before and I was yapping
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: and I did not see her, Hello and happy holidays
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: to you. That's Paula.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just give me a little bit of Silk City
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: hot sauce and I'll go right in that that cow's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: asshole and we will eat.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, And Tiny said, uh, capa cola, which
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: is and super sod. Yeah, that's also gabba ghoul and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: super sod, which is kind of like a spicy spicy sausage.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to go that deep on them, Tiny.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: If I was coming to your house and your father's you're,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: you know, the General's house, I would definitely go to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: those lengths.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: But for my.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Non Italian girlfriend's family, I I just stuck to the basics.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: But take it easy with the Jews. Certain things they
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: can't eat.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. Although I am not a fish guy,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: and in tradition is like there's the seven fishes, of Christmas, Eve.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Killed the fish.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't do it. I cannot do that.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: He doesn't like a little canned fish Joe.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I'm saying, but there's others.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: But you know, roll the top back and throw a
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: little mustard in there. Uh yeah, I can't.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: So are you spending time with your kids there, sir Christmas?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Or possibly? Yeah? I know one of them for sure.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: The other one and I don't know what him and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: his fiance are doing. I don't know. He lives in
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: another state and her family is like gigantic, so I'm
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: sure he'll stop by at some point and collect his
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: as many presents, collect his.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: What's it called his boost our boost, that's the envelope
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: with the money in it. Yeah, you've seen that from
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: like the Italian movies Sopranos, A Boost which collect his
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: present I.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Guess on that.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it though, you know,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: gonna blow away the non Italian it's the Christmas Cracker, oh,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: like the the Nutcracker. Yeah, maybe it has to be,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: but that you know, that was more of like an art.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Well your time and maybe the end of my time, right,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Like you don't get those anymore. You got those in
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: like the nineties, maybe the two thousands, right, the nutcracker
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: bro I included me in it because I remember those
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: those nut cracker things. I don't. My point is, I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: don't think they they're as prevalent anymore.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're too lazy. They want the nuts already cracked,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You want to have to
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: like put the walnut in his mouth and then smash
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the shit out and then eat these little pieces and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: you get some shell in there too, break your tooth.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: It's just no fun.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Goda love technology. Yeah and uh yeah, you
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: know we're an hour and fifteen in. We are glad
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: we were able to make this member's only work on Monday.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: We weren't sure until this morning, so but we will
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: definitely see all you fine ladies.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: And the ideas for the show you want to hear
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: on Friday. Just comment on this, Yeah, just throw throw
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: it in the comments section on here, and we will
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: take it under advisement. I e. That depends on how
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: much time we had to prepare.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Realistically, the topic will be decided on Thursday if we're lucky.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: But we are professionals, yes, so you know it's going
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: to be a banger either way.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, as was this, sir. I thought, I thought
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: that was a really interesting six floor thing, and you
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: brought some cool things as well. We were joined by
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of our homies, and I'm sure some of
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: the homies that weren't able to join us live will
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: catch up on it and let us know any ideas
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: that they have. And we definitely want to wish Merry Christmas,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Happy Holidays, Happy Hanka, whatever you celebrate to all of
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: our members.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Happy Kwanza.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we do this for you, and and we
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: do it because we uh we we love hanging.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Out with you, Sally, We do that. We do do
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: that over here, but it's it's more of a bedroom
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: game over here, and you know, kind of the Chinese handcuffs,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: but with something else on echin.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: that is uh, I know exactly what we're talking about.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very familiar with docking. Don't google that, yes,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: and don't shoot your eyes out. People, have a wonderful holiday.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to everybody.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite Christmas movies.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Whatever you uh, whatever you celebrate, have fun, be safe
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: and We'll see you Friday night. So with that, where
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: is Dino.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: And the Ruby?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: The all.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: The greatest lies are told in the name of truth,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: the greatest crimes are committed in the name of justice.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: The quotation is Jim Garrison's. It could be used for
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: him or against him in this strange case.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Good Night,