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All-American Teen DEAD After Nude-Pix Swapped: SEXTORTION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: How does a boy and all American boy scrubbed in
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Speaker 1: sunshine somehow get tangled up with what is known as
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Speaker 1: a sextortion ring. When I say all American, that's just
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Speaker 1: what I mean. When you think American boy, you think
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Speaker 1: of this kid, you think of Jordan de May in
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Speaker 1: the last hours, A stunning bombshell in the case. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and serious xem one eleven.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: It's all short or they're almost going to break.
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Speaker 1: In and throwing a little podcasts.
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Speaker 3: Tell us go the other way short to.
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Speaker 4: Me, ready perfectly, that's a kick six first turnover.
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Speaker 3: Of the games. Tell me he was an all American teenager,
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Speaker 3: the homecoming king, beloved by his classmates.
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Speaker 5: This is one of those cases that I will remember
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Speaker 5: the rest of my life.
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Speaker 3: It happened when Jordan received a message on his Twitter
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Speaker 3: account that appeared to come from a beautiful teenager who
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Speaker 3: said she wanted to be his friend. She even asked
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Speaker 3: him to send her a naughty photo. He was suspicious
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Speaker 3: and even asked if it was a scam. Assured it wasn't,
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Speaker 3: he sent the photo right away. Jordan realized he was
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Speaker 3: being blackmailed. They threatened to send the photo to his
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Speaker 3: family and all his friends at school.
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Speaker 5: He had to get money. They told him a thousand dollars.
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Speaker 5: He said, I don't have that. How much do you
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Speaker 5: have three hundred dollars? We'll get rid of everything. Send
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Speaker 5: that three hundred dollars. So he sent it.
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Speaker 1: It didn't stop. At the beginning, you were hearing an
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Speaker 1: announcer at a Michigan high school game. Jordan was the
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Speaker 1: star of the game yet again, followed by our friends
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Speaker 1: at Inside Edition and Sheriff Greg Zeibert. What happened? Why
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Speaker 1: did this teen boy? And I can't stress it enough.
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Speaker 1: You know, very often people somehow shame crime victims, such
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Speaker 1: as what was she doing out jogging at four am?
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Speaker 1: Or this boy had a juvenile delinquent record, he had
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Speaker 1: been in and out of Juve Hall. Nothing like that,
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Speaker 1: nothing at all wrong the least bit with Jordan to
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Speaker 1: May just a great, great boy. Now that boy is gone,
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Speaker 1: gone because of a sextortion ring. What is that with me?
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Speaker 1: An all star pedalty make sense of what we know
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Speaker 1: right now and a stunning development in the case. But
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Speaker 1: first I want to go to a very special guest
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Speaker 1: that I've thought of a million times since I learned
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Speaker 1: about Jordan's death. John DeMay is Jordan's father. Mister DeMay,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Thanks. We really appreciate the opportunity to share our story because,
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Speaker 2: as you said, it's extremely important and at this point,
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Speaker 2: this is the legacy that we need to carry for
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Speaker 2: Jordan and his story. In my opinion, where we are
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Speaker 2: staying with thousands of lives by helping other teenagers and
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Speaker 2: young people and parents learn about this and deal with it.
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Speaker 1: I wish we were meeting under other circumstances. But by
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Speaker 1: telling this story, Jordan's story for him and your story,
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Speaker 1: just imagine, mister DeMay, all the lives you may be
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Speaker 1: able to change. What the night that you heard an
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Speaker 1: unusual sound in your home.
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Speaker 2: The Jordan took his own life on March twenty fifth,
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Speaker 2: on an early Friday morning, about three forty five am,
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Speaker 2: the day that we were poised to leave for a
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Speaker 2: two week Florida vacation, he received a Instagram message from
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Speaker 2: what appeared to be a young lady who is reaching
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Speaker 2: out for friendship. He received this first message on ten
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Speaker 2: fifteen ish that Thursday evening and started communicating with her.
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Speaker 1: And wait, mister DeMay, the girl writing him, or so
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Speaker 1: he thought, so cute, just off the chart cute, of course,
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Speaker 1: he responded. And it's my understanding that the girl that
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Speaker 1: ostensibly was writing him is a real person. Like if
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Speaker 1: he had bothered to, which I doubt a tea boy
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Speaker 1: is going to, but if he had bothered to, look,
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Speaker 1: she was actually a real person that exists in the world.
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Speaker 6: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, And that's that's the that's the part of
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Speaker 2: the crime that makes it so hard.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 2: That Instagram account, looking back on what we know now
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Speaker 2: was actually was was a hacked account, So it was
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Speaker 2: a real account with with real pictures of that real person.
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Speaker 2: So he had no no reason to believe that it
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Speaker 2: wasn't her at the time. Then what happened The communication continued,
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Speaker 2: the conversation escalated into you know, probably more sexual content.
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Speaker 2: We don't have a full transcript of what happened yet,
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Speaker 2: as you know, as part of the investigation so we're
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Speaker 2: not here, we do a lot of the details. But
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Speaker 2: as you can imagine that it progressed and to the
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Speaker 2: point where she being one Danny Roberts was the Instagram
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Speaker 2: user on the other end, the young female. She enticed
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Speaker 2: him to take a nude photo of himself, which he
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Speaker 2: did and sent to her at that time. Once the
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Speaker 2: photo was sent, and then the script switched and the
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Speaker 2: extortion happened immediately. That was somewhere just after midnight when
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Speaker 2: that happened, and then from from that point on it
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Speaker 2: was pure torture pressure.
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Speaker 1: When you say, mister DeMay, that the script switched around midnight,
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Speaker 1: he thinks he's talking to this cute teen girl and
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Speaker 1: she they're going back and forth. I mean, he's a
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old boy. She's enticing him. Of course, she
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Speaker 1: starts talking about sex and he follows right along, and
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Speaker 1: she asks for this picture, a nude picture. He sends it.
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Speaker 1: And then you say that night Florida vacation happening in
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Speaker 1: seven or eight hours, the script switches. This interesting the
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Speaker 1: way you said that, the words you use, What do
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Speaker 1: you mean by that?
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Speaker 2: I just mean that it once the picture was sent,
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Speaker 2: Jordan was had right and and they made it clear
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Speaker 2: that they he they were not young and a young woman,
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Speaker 2: but young men, and he realized that he had made
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Speaker 2: a mistake. At that point, I'm sure and the you know,
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Speaker 2: the the demands for money started to happen and they
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Speaker 2: they wanted money from him.
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Speaker 1: And where is a tame boy going to get that
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Speaker 1: kind of money? But he sends money, he agrees to
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Speaker 1: send money, and then they want more.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was part of the pressure tactic. I'm'm
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Speaker 2: assuming that they started out at around one thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: and there was some negotiation that was happening between them,
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Speaker 2: and Jordan ultimately paid him around three hundred dollars. And
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Speaker 2: you know, he was they were they were pushing him
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Speaker 2: to get more and he didn't have more, and he
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Speaker 2: was trying to prove that he didn't have more, and
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Speaker 2: it was just it was they just kept on him
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Speaker 2: and on him and on him, think him any time
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Speaker 2: to breathe, any time to think, anytime to.
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Speaker 1: And the embarrassment he felt he would suffer if that
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Speaker 1: nude photo of him was sent to you, his mom,
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Speaker 1: his family, all of his friends. Can I tell you something.
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Speaker 1: We have these Easter photos done and Christmas photos done
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Speaker 1: every year, and they're really pretty of my daughter and son.
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Speaker 1: They're really well, they're beautiful. I'm just thinking about your
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Speaker 1: son and it's so interesting. My daughter every year, even
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Speaker 1: with these gorgeous photos. She's mom, please don't post it.
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Speaker 1: I look awful and she's gorgeous, all right, So I'm
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Speaker 1: just imagining it. Maybe other adults may not understand it,
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Speaker 1: but they're actually very, very sensitive. And if she doesn't
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Speaker 1: want her beautiful Easter photo sent out or posted. Can
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Speaker 1: you imagine all your parents listening right now, what a
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Speaker 1: teen boy, this awesome student, awesome football player, you know,
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Speaker 1: king of the Hill, what that would mean to him
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Speaker 1: in his world for that photo to go out to
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Speaker 1: all of his friends. Mister DeMay, I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 1: all of this happening with your son, and his family
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Speaker 1: is right there, probably asleep down the hall, having no
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Speaker 1: idea the torment that he's going through.
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Speaker 2: That's correct. I saw Jordan for the last time. He
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Speaker 2: came home at ten fifteen, and I believe that's when
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Speaker 2: he opened up his phone and saw the first messages
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Speaker 2: rate when he pulled in our driveway, and I was
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Speaker 2: just about ready to go to bed because we had
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Speaker 2: a long day the next morning traveling. Our other two
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Speaker 2: kids were already asleep, my wife was finishing up laundry
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Speaker 2: and getting ready final packing for our vacation. But I
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Speaker 2: ran into Jordan and outside on our patio for a
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Speaker 2: brief moment as he was walking and I was heading
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Speaker 2: to the garage quick and that was the last time
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Speaker 2: I'd seen him. But looking back, that was literally minutes
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Speaker 2: after he received his first message, and within ten minutes
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Speaker 2: I was in bed sleeping and I never saw him again.
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Speaker 2: I woke up to finding him in his bedroom.
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take it everything you're saying. I
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Speaker 1: know it's hard for a lot of adults to understand,
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Speaker 1: but to attain having that embarrassment is overwhelming. Prime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But in
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Speaker 1: the last hours, a stunning turn in the case. First,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: The pressure kept up to send more money.
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Speaker 5: He said, you win, I'm going to kill myself and
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Speaker 5: they're like, go ahead.
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Speaker 3: So they actually responded when he said that he was
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Speaker 3: going to kill himself, they responded, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: From the time Jordan got the message until his death,
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Speaker 3: just six hours had passed. Sheriff Greg Zeibert has a
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Speaker 3: message for teens.
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Speaker 5: This can happen to you, and if it does, you
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Speaker 5: need to reach out.
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Speaker 7: Hurtz will forever be broken with a huge part of
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Speaker 7: our lives missing.
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Speaker 4: Jennifer Bhuta has been mourning the loss of her seventeen
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Speaker 4: year old son, Jordan de May, who died by suicide
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Speaker 4: on March twenty fifth, twenty twenty two. De May was
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Speaker 4: a victim of sextortion. Sextortion is where someone demands money
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Speaker 4: or sexual favor from an individual by threatening to reveal
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Speaker 4: evidence of their sexual activity.
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Speaker 1: As parents, we cannot begin to imagine what Jordan went
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Speaker 1: through that night and how scared he was because of
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Speaker 1: this senseless to act. You were just hearing our friend
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Speaker 1: Les inside edition and our friends at WNEM joining me
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Speaker 1: right now. Elizabeth Peterson, morning news anchor reporter wl UC
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Speaker 1: TV six. Elizabeth, thank you for being with us in
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Speaker 1: the last hours. An extradition has gone down. Who is
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Speaker 1: being held responsible for Jordan's death? And where are they from?
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Speaker 7: Yeah? Two of the defendants have been extradited from Nigeria.
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Speaker 7: They arrived and had their first hearing here in the
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Speaker 7: United States and we don't know a lot about them,
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Speaker 7: but it was a successful extradition. There's a third defendant
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Speaker 7: that extradition is still pending extradition.
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Speaker 1: What is it and how does it happen all the
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Speaker 1: way from Nigeria? I mean, mister DeMay, this is Jordan's dad.
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Speaker 1: What went through your mind when you realized that it
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Speaker 1: was not some young girl sending photos to Jordan? It
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Speaker 1: was two guys in Nigeria running a scam and it
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Speaker 1: ended in Jordan's death.
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Speaker 2: It was, it was a lot of different emotions at
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Speaker 2: that point. It was it was very difficult at first
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Speaker 2: because we hadn't learned about what even happened to Jordan
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Speaker 2: for a day to day and a half. So the
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Speaker 2: first day day and a half.
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Speaker 6: We had no idea.
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Speaker 2: We only learned about the Once we learned about the picture,
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Speaker 2: then there was almost a sense of relief a little
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Speaker 2: bit because it wasn't it wasn't an answer, but it
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Speaker 2: was something, you know, it was it was some sort
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Speaker 2: of it was some sort of story that that wasn't
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Speaker 2: out yet, but we knew that there was something behind this.
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Speaker 2: And then to find out what actually happened a couple
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Speaker 2: days later, once the law enforcement took over and invest
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Speaker 2: gated it past to the FBI and they started their
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Speaker 2: case and discovered that it was actually purposeful and that
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Speaker 2: these were these were men. It's not surprising in today's
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Speaker 2: world that that it happened, but it was a shock
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Speaker 2: that it happened to us, of course, and to learn
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Speaker 2: that it was already something that was labeled sextortion. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I hadn't heard that turn yet. Again, it didn't surprise
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Speaker 2: me that this sort of thing would happen online, but
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Speaker 2: it was surprising that it was already something that was
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Speaker 2: already labeled and it was already happening quite often. Frankly,
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Speaker 2: the FBI, I believe, had sent out publications just prior
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Speaker 2: to Jordan's death about sextortion and the rise of these
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Speaker 2: types of cases that were coming to the law enforcement communications.
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Speaker 2: So it was just it was just the overwhelming feeling
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Speaker 2: of sadness and confusion and just it just changed every minute.
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Speaker 1: Is that one of the photos the photo Jordan without
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Speaker 1: his clothes and was sent to his girlfriend.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 1: So these guys and I have their names, Samuel Agoshi
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Speaker 1: and Sampson Agoshi to Nigerian nationals from legos that were
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Speaker 1: sextorting Jordan and probably many many other young teens in
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Speaker 1: the US. They actually carried through with the threat in
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Speaker 1: that they sent that photo to Jordan's girlfriend, and they
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Speaker 1: probably sent it under the guys the disguise of being Danny.
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Speaker 1: So the girlfriend gets a naked photo of her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: and it's from another girl ostensibly. Did that happen.
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Speaker 2: I don't have the particulars how exactly that happened, but
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Speaker 2: I can infer that that's probably the way that that
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Speaker 2: worked out. I know that she did receive the photo.
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Speaker 2: That is the only person that we're aware of at
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Speaker 2: this point that actually received it. They went through great
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Speaker 2: lengths during the extortion part to make George believe that
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Speaker 2: they actually sent that picture out.
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Speaker 1: They have.
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Speaker 2: They have a process that they use like any other business,
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Speaker 2: and they create fake screenshots, they create collage photos, and
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Speaker 2: they put all this media together to make you feel
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Speaker 2: like they're really sending this out to everybody. So as
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Speaker 2: they're asking for more money, they're saying, oh, look who
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Speaker 2: we sent it to. Look who we sent it to.
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Speaker 2: We're sending this this person next. In reality, nobody nobody
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Speaker 2: received those photos. The only person that did was his girlfriend,
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Speaker 2: And frankly, we're thankful that that happened, because if had
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Speaker 2: she not received that photo, we probably would not even
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Speaker 2: know what happened today.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that, because there there would.
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Speaker 2: Have been no way to discover it.
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Speaker 8: It was.
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Speaker 2: It was a suicide, It was investigated by the Sheriff's
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Speaker 2: department appropriately, and it would have been a case closed suicide.
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Speaker 2: His social media accounts he erased everything before he died,
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Speaker 2: so he was trying Jordan was trying to cover up
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Speaker 2: his tracks. Little bit, probably an embarrassment piece. So when
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Speaker 2: at face value, there wasn't anything out of the.
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Speaker 1: Ordinary, so you would never have known your absolutely correct,
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Speaker 1: mister DeMay. Doctor angel Arnold joining me renowned psychiatrists out
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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction at ANGELA Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, have you ever noticed that despair, depression, confusion
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Speaker 1: seems to overtake people and it gets worse at night.
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Speaker 1: Is that real or is that just anecdotal? Because here
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Speaker 1: this little boy is, he's a teen boy living with
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Speaker 1: his family and in the middle of the night he
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Speaker 1: ends up dead out of despair and embarrassment. Is that
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Speaker 1: real that it's worse at night?
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Speaker 9: It is in Nancy because people are more vulnerable at night.
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Speaker 9: You're tired by the end of the day. What I
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Speaker 9: believe that what we need to understand as adults is
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Speaker 9: the is how our children use social media. We don't
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Speaker 9: completely understand it, Nancy, because we didn't grow up in
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Speaker 9: this age. But social media is a lot to these kids.
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Speaker 9: They and they connect with their friends. They instantly connect
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Speaker 9: with their friends, they share their lives through photos and
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Speaker 9: things like that, and these predators know that. Okay. Then
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Speaker 9: the point, the other point I want to bring up
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Speaker 9: is that you add that to the fact that it
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Speaker 9: really is true, Nancy, that kids' brains are not fully
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Speaker 9: developed until they're twenty.
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Speaker 2: Five years old.
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Speaker 9: Okay, so it's not unusual what this sweet, little wonderful
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Speaker 9: boy did. It is not unusual. Unfortunately, kids do it
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Speaker 9: all the time because somebody asks for a picture of
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Speaker 9: them and it's a beautiful girl, and they, you know,
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Speaker 9: they get all you know, fluttery inside, and they do
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Speaker 9: what she says. They lose their sense of right wrong
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Speaker 9: because they're little, Nancy, they're young. Their brains are not developed.
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Speaker 9: You and I can easily put that away, right, we
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Speaker 9: can say, uh, oh, there might be some trouble there,
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Speaker 9: but we have age and experience and our brains are developed.
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Speaker 9: They do not, so then they isn't it interesting that
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Speaker 9: they get him at night when he's already vulnerable. I'm
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Speaker 9: sure the child had very, very busy days, right, he's
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Speaker 9: vulnerable at night. Then some beautiful girl, I mean Nancy.
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Speaker 9: I don't know about you, but Nancy. People people like
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Speaker 9: send me messages on Instagram all the time, these weird men,
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Speaker 9: and they go hello, and I'll automatically hit block and delete.
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Speaker 9: I think anyone who has a presence on the Internet
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Speaker 9: is vulnerable for this.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut sixteen our friends at W N, A, M and
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Speaker 1: l UC.
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Speaker 4: It turns out the Mark Native was wrapped up in
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Speaker 4: what authorities are calling an international sextortion ring. Three men
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Speaker 4: are accused of targeting more than one hundred miners and
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Speaker 4: adults in a sextortion scheme. After a lenk the investigation
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Speaker 4: between local, state and federal agencies, three men from Nigeria
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Speaker 4: are set to be extradited to the US to face
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Speaker 4: criminal charges.
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Speaker 10: Three men from Nigeria purchase hacked social media accounts, created
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Speaker 10: fake users, and ultimately persuaded to May to send a
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Speaker 10: sexually explicit photo, which they used to extort him for
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Speaker 10: money when he wasn't able to pay them enough.
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Speaker 7: He died by suicide.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is a very well known and respected
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Speaker 1: international lawyer, David to Fury, and you can find him
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Speaker 1: at David to Furi at Arrant Law Firm. David, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Explain this whole process of extradition.
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Speaker 1: I assume that we have a treaty with Nigeria. How
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Speaker 1: does it work.
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Speaker 11: Yes, we have a treaty with Nigeria. It actually goes
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Speaker 11: all the way back to nineteen thirty one when Nigeria
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Speaker 11: was a colony of the United Kingdom, and so when
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Speaker 11: we engaged in an entered into a treaty for extradition
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Speaker 11: with the United Kingdom, it included all of the United
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Speaker 11: Kingdom's colonies. After Nigeria became independent, I believe in the
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Speaker 11: nineteen sixties, it continued to be a bilateral party to
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Speaker 11: that treaty with the US. It's also notable for this
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Speaker 11: case that the US is the largest investor in Nigeria.
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Speaker 11: We have had very close relations between the US and
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Speaker 11: Nigeria over recent years. It's probably one of the most
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Speaker 11: important countries for the US in Africa. That's important because
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Speaker 11: that's probably how the FBI and the Department of Justice
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Speaker 11: were able to secure the cooperation of law enforcement authorities
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Speaker 11: in Nigeria in order to apprehend these individuals and take
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Speaker 11: them through the extradition process. Extradition can be very complicated
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Speaker 11: and it's not easy to accomplish. Importantly, you have to
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Speaker 11: have committed a crime that is a crime in both countries,
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Speaker 11: both the country where you are and the country that
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Speaker 11: is seeking to extradite you. And many times people who
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Speaker 11: are overseas or able to avoid extradition with various defenses.
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Speaker 11: It also can be a long legal process. In this case,
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Speaker 11: it happened quite quickly, and I'm pretty amazing.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the importance of this case.
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Speaker 11: And because the US law enforcement authorities probably really wanted
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Speaker 11: to make a statement to set an example to try
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Speaker 11: and deter others in Nigeria or other countries in Africa
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Speaker 11: from doing this, and because of the tragedy of this case,
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Speaker 11: they wanted to make a statement, and so they accomplished
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Speaker 11: that by getting these individuals brought back here. Of course,
22:51
Speaker 11: they still are innocent until proven guilty under our legal system,
22:55
Speaker 11: but they'll go through a trial here, and the evidence
22:58
Speaker 11: sounds overwhelming, so you can expect probably that they will
23:01
Speaker 11: be convicted.
23:02
Speaker 1: But let's see, David Tafuri is joining me, renowned international lawyer.
23:06
Speaker 1: Got a couple of questions following up. And you know
23:09
Speaker 1: John de May is with us. This is Jordan's dad.
23:13
Speaker 1: All he knows at that time is his son is dead.
23:18
Speaker 1: No idea of all of this swirling so far away
23:23
Speaker 1: in Nigeria, of all places. David Tafuri, why do you
23:28
Speaker 1: say that Nigeria is one of the single most important
23:32
Speaker 1: countries to the US in Africa.
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Speaker 11: Nigeria's one of the largest countries in Africa. It's in
23:37
Speaker 11: West Africa. It's strategically a very important place. It's a
23:44
Speaker 11: place where we have put in a lot of investment.
23:46
Speaker 11: It's also a country, by the way, where we are
23:48
Speaker 11: competing with China to have a strong relationship. It's a
23:54
Speaker 11: country that there are other countries in Africa that have
23:57
Speaker 11: been affected by terrorism by transnational criminal groups. And we're
24:03
Speaker 11: trying very hard to make sure that Nigeria stays stable,
24:07
Speaker 11: that it doesn't become a failed state, that it doesn't
24:10
Speaker 11: become subject to transnational criminal organizations. And so these are
24:15
Speaker 11: all important reasons we want Nigeria because it's such a
24:18
Speaker 11: big country and it's so important to the stability of
24:20
Speaker 11: the continent. We want it to be stable, we want
24:23
Speaker 11: it to be a close friend, a close ally. We
24:25
Speaker 11: have a large presence in Nigeria. I am sure the
24:29
Speaker 11: US Embassy in Nigeria was involved in this in terms
24:32
Speaker 11: of going to the Nigerian government and conveying to the
24:36
Speaker 11: Nigerian government how important it is for them to cooperate
24:39
Speaker 11: on this case so that they can apprehend these individuals. Also, notably,
24:43
Speaker 11: Nigeria is a place where there are a lot of
24:47
Speaker 11: cyber fraud cases. A lot of cyber fraud emanates from
24:51
Speaker 11: Nigeria and Nigeria. The Nigerian government has been trying to
24:55
Speaker 11: crack down on this, and this would also be an
24:58
Speaker 11: instance where the Nigerian government wanted to demonstrate to the
25:01
Speaker 11: US that they are cracking down on these types of
25:04
Speaker 11: cyber crimes, especially given the tragic results from this one.
25:08
Speaker 1: The I am a Nigerian Prince email I guess has
25:11
Speaker 1: gone out to everybody as a scam or I am
25:15
Speaker 1: stranded in Nigeria. Helped me I'm in Nigeria. Nigeria seems
25:21
Speaker 1: to be the source of a lot of online internet fraud,
25:25
Speaker 1: But how was this teen boy supposed to know that
25:29
Speaker 1: no way, nothing was a red flag in his mind.
25:35
Speaker 1: And even if this teen boy Jordan had thought, wow,
25:39
Speaker 1: is this woman for real? Is this girl for real?
25:41
Speaker 1: If he looked her up her computer, well, her online
25:46
Speaker 1: services had been hacked as well. This is a real
25:49
Speaker 1: girl who these Nigerian defendants had hacked. So when we
25:54
Speaker 1: say we need cooperation, joining me now. IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector,
25:58
Speaker 1: US Marshall Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector DJ of International Affairs,
26:04
Speaker 1: author of Solo Shot and Flying Solo, both on Amazon.
26:09
Speaker 1: What I mean is earth brand has traveled all around
26:13
Speaker 1: the world on behalf of the US government to let
26:18
Speaker 1: me just say, make things happen within our justice system.
26:23
Speaker 1: What we need is the Nigerian government to go and
26:27
Speaker 1: find these guys, to arrest them, to bring them in
26:32
Speaker 1: and then agree to an extradition process. That's a lot
26:35
Speaker 1: when you are prosecuting your own cases and then suddenly
26:39
Speaker 1: you get a request from somebody so far away in
26:41
Speaker 1: the US to go do their business, You're like, ht, No,
26:47
Speaker 1: they did it. They did it for us, for Jordan,
26:51
Speaker 1: for his father, for his mother, And now we have
26:56
Speaker 1: these defendants in our clutches. Can I give you an
27:00
Speaker 1: example of extradition gone wrong? Think about Roman Polanski, the
27:05
Speaker 1: famous film maker who drugs and rapes a little girl
27:10
Speaker 1: in his hot tub and then goes to France. France
27:14
Speaker 1: refuses to extradite him to the US. Think about it.
27:19
Speaker 1: Think about Caitlin Armstrong. According to police, she just gunned
27:23
Speaker 1: down a beautiful young biker bicyclist, a world class biker,
27:34
Speaker 1: over a love spat. She flees to Costa Rica, has
27:38
Speaker 1: plastic surgery, lives under the radar. You know how we
27:41
Speaker 1: got her back. It's not because Costa Rica said hey, yeah,
27:44
Speaker 1: I will I'll hope you extradite her. It's because of
27:48
Speaker 1: a visa or passport violation. So when a country doesn't
27:53
Speaker 1: cooperate with US, we have problems. Irv Brandt, How did
27:58
Speaker 1: this go down? And would you there are a lot
28:01
Speaker 1: of countries in this world that they don't give a
28:04
Speaker 1: flying fig about the US or justice in the US,
28:08
Speaker 1: or Jordan de may or his parents wanting justice. They
28:11
Speaker 1: don't care. But Nigeria did cooperate.
28:14
Speaker 6: That's correct, Nancy. And we've discussed it on many times before,
28:19
Speaker 6: especially in places like Mexico, on how we can get
28:22
Speaker 6: the cooperation of Mexican authorities to investigate cases properly. So
28:29
Speaker 6: this is a stunning success. So I'm very impressed with
28:34
Speaker 6: the FBI and the efforts of the Office of International Affairs.
28:38
Speaker 6: But more to how impressed I am with the Ministry
28:42
Speaker 6: of Justice in Nigeria to get their law enforcement to
28:47
Speaker 6: cooperate with the Federal Bureau of Investigation to do a
28:52
Speaker 6: joint investigation in Nigeria to identify these suspects, have them
28:58
Speaker 6: arrested than have them extradited. So quickly they did this,
29:05
Speaker 6: I'm just stunned. I was at the Office of International
29:08
Speaker 6: Affairs as a chief inspector and if you would ask
29:12
Speaker 6: me how long will it take, I would have told
29:16
Speaker 6: you years.
29:17
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, and I just thank God in Heaven that
29:21
Speaker 1: we've got these guys in a US courtroom. It's going
29:25
Speaker 1: to happen. I want to go to doctor Michelle dupre Joining,
29:28
Speaker 1: US forensic pathologist, medical examiner and lucky for me, former detective.
29:35
Speaker 1: She literally wrote the book Homicide Investigation Field Guide, and
29:40
Speaker 1: she shot to the national forefront during the case of
29:43
Speaker 1: Alex Murdogg. Mayhe wrote in Hell, doctor Duprex, question, it's
29:50
Speaker 1: so upsetting to see any death, much less a teen
29:57
Speaker 1: a child death, less a child suicide. I mean, he's
30:05
Speaker 1: gone before his life even really gets started. In your
30:10
Speaker 1: experience and what you know about the method and assessment
30:14
Speaker 1: of homicide and suicide, how common is this for teen
30:18
Speaker 1: boys and teen girls to commit suicide. They're so emotional
30:24
Speaker 1: and they're so vulnerable at this point in their lives.
30:27
Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, and all the condolences to the family of
30:31
Speaker 8: this young man. This is so sad, and I have
30:34
Speaker 8: seen it more times than you would want to see it.
30:37
Speaker 8: It is relatively common, and it's because of this bullying
30:41
Speaker 8: by other kids basically or young men in this case.
30:45
Speaker 8: It's tragic, and I'm so thankful that something has been
30:48
Speaker 8: done about it, and especially when we have to have
30:51
Speaker 8: reached over so many different jurisdictions to get these guys
30:54
Speaker 8: and bring them back. Who doos to all of those
30:57
Speaker 8: who participated.
30:58
Speaker 1: In this, Doctor Dupris, you know that teen suicides have
31:02
Speaker 1: jumped twenty nine percent twenty nine percent among children between
31:12
Speaker 1: fifteen and nineteen. Suicide second leading cause of death and
31:18
Speaker 1: is the leading cause of death for fourteen to fifteen
31:21
Speaker 1: year olds.
31:22
Speaker 8: I did not know that, Nancy, but I'm really not
31:24
Speaker 8: that surprised. Think about everything that our young people are
31:27
Speaker 8: going through today. You know there was I mean not
31:30
Speaker 8: just the pandemic, but everything else that they are faced with,
31:32
Speaker 8: the stresses, and you know, it's a different world than
31:35
Speaker 8: when you and I were growing up, and a lot
31:37
Speaker 8: of us don't understand it, and they are consistently bullied
31:42
Speaker 8: more than you would suspect.
31:57
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace, you guys were talking about
32:03
Speaker 1: a beautiful young boy. There's really no other way to
32:07
Speaker 1: put it. Jordan to May, just like Mary Poppins says,
32:13
Speaker 1: practically perfect in every way. John de Maay is with me.
32:18
Speaker 1: This is Jordan's dad. What is your recollection of that
32:24
Speaker 1: night and the following morning when Jordan lost his life.
32:28
Speaker 2: Well, the night before was a pretty normal, chaotic trying
32:33
Speaker 2: to get everything ready to leave on vacation for two
32:35
Speaker 2: weeks kind of night, as Anyboddy with three kids and
32:39
Speaker 2: two dogs is trying to do. So it was a
32:41
Speaker 2: pretty normal evening in that sense. Obviously, in the morning
32:45
Speaker 2: I woke up, my two younger girls were getting up,
32:49
Speaker 2: and my wife had gotten up, and we're just kind
32:51
Speaker 2: of milling around trying to get ready for the day
32:54
Speaker 2: and Jennifer Jordan's mother had sent me a text message
32:59
Speaker 2: and asked me if was you know, if he was
33:04
Speaker 2: still home. And at that point, it was like seven
33:06
Speaker 2: point thirty in the morning, which was really strained, and
33:13
Speaker 2: I looked out the window and I saw I saw
33:17
Speaker 2: it was carsonal in the driveway, and I thought that
33:20
Speaker 2: was awfully strange because he never missed his school ever.
33:24
Speaker 2: So at that point I went downstairs to his bedroom.
33:29
Speaker 2: I opened up the door and I found him in
33:31
Speaker 2: his bedroom.
33:32
Speaker 1: I guess when you first saw him, you couldn't believe it.
33:37
Speaker 2: I was stunned, shocked, numb, every my whole body was
33:47
Speaker 2: just bailing me. I could barely stand up.
33:50
Speaker 1: Oh, mister to May, I'm so sorry. I just imagining.
33:56
Speaker 1: I guess every person listening to your voice right now
33:59
Speaker 1: is thank you of that moment. They go in and
34:02
Speaker 1: my daughter six o'clock and I can hear it. It
34:06
Speaker 1: sounds like some kind of a sitar ding ding ding
34:09
Speaker 1: ding play some kind of song something in God the
34:13
Speaker 1: early hour. She gets up and I always go in
34:16
Speaker 1: and check on her in case she goes back to sleep.
34:19
Speaker 1: Then my son could sleep through a mack truck coming
34:22
Speaker 1: through his window and I have to go literally get
34:27
Speaker 1: him up, and I've done it a million times. I'm
34:33
Speaker 1: just thinking about that moment when you open the door
34:40
Speaker 1: and you see him. What did you do?
34:44
Speaker 2: I just stood at his feet and started shaking, and
34:50
Speaker 2: I think I wasn't even trying to talk to him,
34:53
Speaker 2: like why, Jordan, you know why what happened? And I
35:00
Speaker 2: remember I just slowly turned around and slowly walked back upstairs,
35:04
Speaker 2: and my wife and my two and my one daughter
35:07
Speaker 2: was sitting on the couch and I told my wife
35:11
Speaker 2: that Jordan shot himself, and my youngest daughter freaked out,
35:16
Speaker 2: and my wife freaked out, and everything started to happen
35:21
Speaker 2: from there. Life changed that morning.
35:24
Speaker 1: Mister de May, what do you make life changed that morning.
35:28
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, losing the child is the worst thing
35:31
Speaker 2: that can one of the worst things that can happen
35:33
Speaker 2: to anybody, but it sent a lot of it's well,
35:38
Speaker 2: it started. It started a lot of different things in
35:41
Speaker 2: our life personally outside from learning about sex stortion and
35:46
Speaker 2: going public and doing all those great things. But you know,
35:49
Speaker 2: we we lived in a home that was going to
35:51
Speaker 2: be our forever home that we never went back to
35:54
Speaker 2: that night. After that date, we went back to finish things,
35:59
Speaker 2: but we ended up putting on the mark counturely after
36:00
Speaker 2: sold it and now we're building a new home. So
36:04
Speaker 2: just things like that, and and the way we interact
36:07
Speaker 2: with our kids and the way that we, you know,
36:10
Speaker 2: just go about daily life. There's it's just it's just
36:13
Speaker 2: a different it's a different world for us. And you know,
36:16
Speaker 2: Jordan's always in our in our thoughts and how we
36:18
Speaker 2: and how we navigate the world. And and it's even
36:22
Speaker 2: heightened more now with with being able to come forward
36:27
Speaker 2: with with what happened and share the story and and
36:30
Speaker 2: really create this message that that Jordan would be proud
36:35
Speaker 2: of as well.
36:36
Speaker 1: Mister DeMay, what is your message?
36:40
Speaker 2: Our message is There are a lot of folks and
36:44
Speaker 2: you know, we talked a little bit here with some
36:46
Speaker 2: very professional people about the suicide and the rates, and
36:48
Speaker 2: it's it's actually absolutely tragic h to see to hear
36:52
Speaker 2: that those numbers are so high. But you know, let's
36:55
Speaker 2: be honest. You know, social media is not doing any
36:57
Speaker 2: favors for anyone, not children certainly, and not adults. And
37:02
Speaker 2: I think the message needs to be that for parents,
37:05
Speaker 2: it needs to be we need to pay more attention
37:07
Speaker 2: to what's happening online and start understanding a little bit more.
37:11
Speaker 2: And for kids that need. Younger people, I shouldn't say kids,
37:14
Speaker 2: you young and young people and young adults even need
37:18
Speaker 2: to understand that the the nature of what social media
37:22
Speaker 2: is doing to you mentally, just in our story is
37:25
Speaker 2: so so left field. I mean, it's it doesn't happen
37:29
Speaker 2: to everybody, right, but let's boil it down into simple things.
37:31
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you've had a lot of podcasts about
37:34
Speaker 2: bullying and body shaming these young ladies and trying to
37:38
Speaker 2: get likes and feel goods and all the things. I mean,
37:40
Speaker 2: all that stuff is not healthy. It's just not healthy
37:43
Speaker 2: for people at all. So I think the message needs
37:46
Speaker 2: to be we need to slow down with that stuff.
37:48
Speaker 2: I think we need to go back to having real
37:50
Speaker 2: relationships with people, having real conversations, trying to get young
37:54
Speaker 2: people away from sending pictures and messages as you know,
37:59
Speaker 2: sexual intent. You know, have real relationships with people, Be
38:04
Speaker 2: out and about, be alive, enjoy the air, you know,
38:07
Speaker 2: look around. But at the end of the day, we
38:10
Speaker 2: have to tell people that if things happen, you know,
38:14
Speaker 2: it's not the end of the world either. You know,
38:17
Speaker 2: Jordan's story is so tragic, and this is something that
38:21
Speaker 2: probably would would have been laughing about in ten or
38:22
Speaker 2: fifteen years, after he's graduated college and gotten married and
38:26
Speaker 2: had kids and bought his first home and you know,
38:28
Speaker 2: got a career job and did all the things. You'd
38:30
Speaker 2: look back and kind of like that was stupid, right,
38:33
Speaker 2: But in that moment, you can't. They're not old enough
38:36
Speaker 2: to understand that. They're not developed enough to understand that
38:39
Speaker 2: what their life as they know it. In that moment,
38:41
Speaker 2: that may.
38:41
Speaker 1: Be over, you know, mister DeMay. The other morning, Lucy
38:48
Speaker 1: was in the back of the mini van and my son,
38:50
Speaker 1: John David was sitting beside me. And I looked over
38:54
Speaker 1: at John David. He's usually the mayor of Funveil, and
38:59
Speaker 1: he was really cool and looking down and kind of
39:01
Speaker 1: out the window, and I immediately knew something was wrong.
39:04
Speaker 1: I said, son, what is it? And he wouldn't tell
39:08
Speaker 1: me at first, and I said, son, I know something's wrong.
39:11
Speaker 1: What is it? He said, Mama, I don't think I'm
39:16
Speaker 1: going to have a ninety eight average. And I said, so,
39:23
Speaker 1: what is the problem. I don't understand. He goes, Mom,
39:26
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be in ninety seven, and
39:28
Speaker 1: he actually was. His whole face was white, just like
39:32
Speaker 1: paper white. He was so upset. They in their world,
39:40
Speaker 1: they don't understand that tomorrow you're going to feel better.
39:44
Speaker 1: And when you just said, mister May that one day
39:47
Speaker 1: when he you know, graduated and gets married, he's buying
39:50
Speaker 1: his first house, that you would laugh about a neoty
39:54
Speaker 1: that he took when he was seventeen. Just I know
39:58
Speaker 1: you talked to him. I know you talk to him
40:00
Speaker 1: because I talked to my dad all the time. What
40:03
Speaker 1: do you say to Jordan's now? I try to talk
40:07
Speaker 1: to Jordan's.
40:10
Speaker 2: Just about day daily stuff, how our sisters are doing,
40:14
Speaker 2: and what we're up to, and things that we've done
40:17
Speaker 2: that we wish you would have been part of. You
40:21
Speaker 2: know it just it helps keep the keep the message alive,
40:25
Speaker 2: and keep Jordan alive and helps us heal, helps us
40:30
Speaker 2: move on.
40:32
Speaker 1: Do you ever feel that he answers you in some way?
40:36
Speaker 6: I do.
40:37
Speaker 2: I think I think that's natural for those feelings. I
40:42
Speaker 2: Oftentimes great things happen and you know, you'll get a
40:46
Speaker 2: rush of wind, or the rain will just suddenly stop
40:50
Speaker 2: and it'll be a beautiful rainbow, or you know, those
40:53
Speaker 2: those weird things that just happen in those moments. Sometimes
40:56
Speaker 2: you just feel that presence. It's it's hard, it's it's good,
41:04
Speaker 2: it's it's refreshing. But I think those are the I
41:07
Speaker 2: think those are the winds, that those are the good
41:09
Speaker 2: feels that we need to hold on to to keep
41:12
Speaker 2: us strong and keep our head up and keep pushing
41:14
Speaker 2: forward with everything.
41:16
Speaker 1: I hope and pray that your message is furthered today,
41:24
Speaker 1: and I hope and pray for justice to the men
41:29
Speaker 1: that orchestrated Jordan's death. And let me tell everyone, the
41:35
Speaker 1: Suicide and Crisis Lifeline is nine eight eight, like nine
41:40
Speaker 1: one one. It's nine eight eight, so simple, so easy.
41:46
Speaker 1: It can make all the difference in the world. We
41:50
Speaker 1: wait as just as some things. Goodbye, friend,