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Elvis and Outlaws · Tigs Bits Podcast

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  Welcome back to another episode of Tigs bits on the episode this
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  week Jr. The Handler Chad, blasi, and
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  myself kind of take a deep dive into Elvis Presley.
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  Yeah, we talked about the King baby.
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  We've kind of teased that in a couple of episodes, but but we
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  talk a little bit more exclusively about him and kind
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  of Colonel Tom Parker which he Colonel Tom Parker and what Jr
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  the handler do are very quite similar.
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  You know me. Jr.
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  The Handler is the Handler. If you will for Justin Moore and
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  he's done that for John party and all that just like Colonel,
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  Tom, Parker did for Elvis now, look I'm not comparing Jr.
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  The Handler to Colonel, Tom, Parker, not even in the
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  slightest. Nothing no chance.
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  So don't get anything confuse there because that is not the
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  case, not at all. But but this is a fascinating
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  episode. We dive into some of the things,
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  couple of things, I didn't know. And then it leads its way on
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  into it finds its way to Waylon Jennings and some Outlaw
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  country. You know, I mean, it's their
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  conversations going to come all the way back around.
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  This is a good one. We talking about the King baby.
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  Let's go. You bring up the Colonel, Tom,
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  Parker and, and, I know, and we've talked in a in some of our
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  text threads, that you've got some thoughts on him and Elvis.
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  So what are we, what are we thinking?
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  You know, everybody, the movie came out recently and it's kind
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  of different because I did it, you know, instead of watching
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  it, then going finding out the real story like you do with most
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  things, or I have with most things.
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  I've seen a movie and then have to go back and read the real
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  story, and then have to make Disbelief, of the, the movie, I
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  saw first that I thought was what really happened, you know,
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  when your kid, you watch something, then you go back.
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  Read. Oh, that was based on this, but
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  this is what really happened. You know, like, I didn't read
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  Harry Potter before watched Harry Potter, I never watched
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  Harry Potter, but a lot of people always say why read the
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  book first, so, it's hard to watch the movie.
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  So that was kind of how the Elvis movie was for me.
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  I've ridden read enough books, and, you know, watched enough
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  other like, hardcore real documentaries.
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  Fascinating story. You knew the full story before
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  that's bad movie. Be much more than just, you
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  know, a loose thing that was for entertainment, but it was good.
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  I mean, it was it opens to a wide audience yummy.
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  I mean it wasn't that it was nothing that extreme in there
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  because who knows what the real relationships and what really
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  happened in any of these stories.
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  You hear even if you've got to both sides telling you this,
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  right? Same thing who really knows, you
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  know, after they probably don't even really know.
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  I mean, you don't remember you. It you've been in a very similar
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  position, not quite with Elvis, but I've been hit that level but
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  you still are in a very similar position with superstars in
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  music, Same saying gig. So I would think that this would
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  be something that would you know that that would Fascinate you
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  and you would have more of an insight into that than the most
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  people because you right you know what goes on in the music
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  industry well to some yeah to a certain extent for sure.
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  But you know And to us what I tell everybody because you know,
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  Justin watched it right after I did.
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  He was, I can't believe. They let him take advantage of
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  him on these numbers and these deals and stuff.
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  And I'm just like, do that was the Wild Wild West.
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  This is the first time these kind of contracts and stuff were
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  being in their infant stages and laws on how to govern these
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  things in court. And who had?
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  I mean, it was, you know, it was a whole different game than we
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  have the structure we have now because had to go through those
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  years of that kind of stuff. But but yeah, you know, again
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  there's really No way to for certain no, but obviously the I
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  can't remember if they hit on it during the movie was only
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  watched it once. I wish I would have watched it
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  again for we talk tonight. But you know the thing about it
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  was he was he was an illegal immigrant that came over and
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  worked in the carnival business at a young age and worked his
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  way up through that and he got the nod of Colonel from
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  Louisiana governor. Yeah, Jimmy Davis.
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  Yeah, he my son, he was in the music business and he was A
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  singer and a manager and stuff. What, been up being the governor
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  of Louisiana. So somehow they did some shows
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  together or something. That's how he got the colonel
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  tag and yeah, the deal on Elvis, you know, I don't really
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  remember how exactly they found each other on that but the deal
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  on Elvis you know again there wasn't a deal, it wasn't like
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  there was a attorney there. Yeah there wasn't a play
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  presenting both sides to do these things, right?
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  There was no Playbook, there is no.
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  Wanted had ever reached that kind of stardom that exactly
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  ever in the history people Elvis looked up to.
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  Yeah. And you couldn't see it if you
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  did, because television is just started, you know, Eileen says,
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  what image is really what what propelled all of that is right?
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  Was that showed what visual media visual medium would do
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  right there? Mean look at how crazy people in
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  those numbers, even if you not to get off topic for a second,
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  but if you look back and you See numbers of like Super Bowls in
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  the 80s in the 70s and World Series and some of the biggest
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  events, you know? The We Are the World deal, all
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  that stuff. Those numbers are just
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  ludicrous. There is just pure Insanity.
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  Well, you had a lot more captive audience, of course we know
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  what's happening. Now that's all been diluted.
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  There's so many ways you can consume every which thing but
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  still for him to do that and completely change the world and
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  then the Beatles come Then Michael writes in and so on, you
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  know, I mean, to take over those those top rains, it's incredible
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  at that, that is that's what happened, and that was the
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  response to that particular medium, right?
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  What's say? Because like you said, it's
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  because of Television because you're talking about Rural
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  America now, so. So in the early 50s, yeah, there
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  was television, a lot of places, but rural not a rural America.
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  Now, the other wedding power and a lot of these places, you know
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  what I mean? So as that went on Elvis, you
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  know, in the mid 50s it was more a lot more people had
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  television, then again The Beatles in the mid-60s lot more
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  televisions and by then that was the thing to do like everybody
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  looks on their phones. Now, for 20 years, the thing was
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  to have a television, even it was black and white, you got one
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  channel before that. It was the radio, but the visual
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  thing kicked it into a whole nother overdrive.
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  And you got to think to Elvis, is he the guys, he looked up to
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  where these guys playing on Beale Street in Memphis stuff?
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  There wasn't like, he didn't want to be like, I'm going to be
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  like this, you know, model my career after this person.
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  There was no. The, he the Stars he saw worth,
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  And maybe some he heard on the Opry and say yeah he paved his
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  own way and made his own style. It's it's fascinating how that
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  all worked out how I mean, obviously, the guy could could
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  sing. He could play there wasn't
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  anything that he couldn't do. He had the Charisma, he had the
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  looks he had there was, there was nothing that Elvis Presley
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  could not do, it's just, you know, could eventually just
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  couldn't kick the kick, the drugs there at the At the end,
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  but even those stories kind of, makes sense as to what's
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  happening. It's a lot like Prince and, you
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  know, Michael Jackson really more so than anything.
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  Those are the two closest similarities.
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  I see with that. But man, freaking L know you
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  know you know. Yeah, crazy.
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  I was a tough guess. I'm aging myself here.
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  But I just lady I used to go to for daycare, Miss Miss Clarks,
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  and she was awesome. Miss Clark was great.
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  And I remember, Here today. All the star was it, like, 79-77
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  77077. So, I remember I was four and I
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  just become a big one, when you when you're for, you become a
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  big one at Miss Clark. She had a swimming pool, which
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  you would see the daycare nowadays, but you could get the
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  swimming pool. When you came a big, when I just
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  become a big one, it was so good.
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  And I remember, I went inside there if you're ever hungry
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  outside of, like breakfast or lunch or whatever should give
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  you a ketchup sandwich, but it'll catch up on light, bread,
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  fold it in half hand it to you and I went there for a ketchup
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  sandwich. And I remember it so vividly she
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  just found out while I was standing there that Elvis had
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  died and I've never in like watch her break down like you
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  know, the fandom that he had with people and he just do it
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  was so impressionable, you know, upon me, at that time, I
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  remember going like, oh my God. What's wrong with his Clark?
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  You know, this is horrible. What's going on and Elvis had
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  just died. So I remember the day I died.
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  I was I was a big one, but, but no man has his impact was just
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  that that At that time. You know.
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  So huge it. Well, that's what you know.
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  That's awesome. Chad.
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  I didn't realize you were that old.
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  I got no. And I thought, I just aged
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  myself. You really did.
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  That's funny. It's been lying.
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  Oh yeah. You know, that was the sit, you
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  know, everybody. You know, my mom and then my
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  grandma and they tell the story where they were in the car at
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  this certain mile marker Mississippi driving home from
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  the beach for Penn State from Pascagoula or so whatever it was
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  and they you know everybody remembered that's like you know.
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  Yeah yeah. JFK MLK.
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  You know, is if there's some of those that were just like full
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  boy. That's tough.
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  D-Day, you know, stuff like that.
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  That says those dates that hit you and it's like, man.
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  Those are, you know, those are all cultural things that every
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  everyone, you know, like going back to what we talked about
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  Rural America, knowing about it, as well as the big cities, you
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  know? Because I mean you got to think
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  it what in the 50s still? You think we think things like
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  we were kids, but we're not kids anymore.
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  You got to thinking like the 50's and stuff.
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  Was really rural. You know, they wouldn't even
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  interstates and stuff you're talking about.
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  Like it wasn't nothing, I can think of today.
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  Yeah, takes it outside of the city A and B couple even La was
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  Tiny, then, and stuff. And, you know, San Francisco's.
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  Pretty big New Orleans was big, but yeah, there was just spots
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  in the rest was really pretty Rural.
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  And, you know, so once they got the television that stuff, so I
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  go. But say that say yeah, Elvis had
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  no influence. Has to look up to, to find out
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  how to run his business or what he needed to be doing.
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  So, here comes this guy. along works it out terrible deal 50/50
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  deal supposably but you know we could go like down a
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  chronological order and you know debunk some of this stuff you
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  know how it went down but you know there's the story of when
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  he played Ed Sullivan, you know and if you have heard that story
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  before of Ed Sullivan, you know they're working out the deal
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  have Elvis on and They finally work it out and he has only paid
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  so much before say it was 10,000.
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  Well, Colonel said 15, he said that's the most I've ever paid
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  anybody, but let's do it and Colonel said, okay, that's
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  enough for the that's enough for me.
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  Now what we going to pay the kid that kind of stuff and you know
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  and then the whole thing in Vegas is that made a lot of
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  sense to but the biggest thing was he couldn't and they eluded
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  to it. Some of that movie.
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  As I remember, they couldn't travel.
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  International is basically the colonel, couldn't couldn't be
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  there. He was controlling.
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  For heating one, anybody outside of Elvis being around him, or
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  putting any thoughts in his head, or let him know.
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  He didn't have a good deal in this kind of stuff and Elvis
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  really was loyal because you know, whether it's a good deal
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  or a bad deal was a deal, they made and they've got working out
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  from within for them and then kind of going great.
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  You had plenty of Cadillacs to give away and life was well.
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  Yeah. But there wasn't and then there,
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  and then the P, then the hanger owners and the the people who
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  should have been watching out for him, you know, that's where
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  in the, you know, for whatever reasons, didn't step in and make
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  sure he was okay, but you but again that wasn't a thing.
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  Inu about nobody really nobody ever witnessed that kind of
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  thing. Really, before him, right was
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  drink yourself to death or car wrecks, and plane crashes, and
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  motorcycle wrecks, and that kind of stuff, it really.
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  He was, I've, I'm remembering like, you know, he was early on
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  in that whole thing of the, you know, sleeping pills.
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  And then the different things for road maintenance is, yeah,
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  it's easy to see how that is because, I mean, you know, well,
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  that's the thing to get up and go down as much as you have to.
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  Him doing those back-to-backs man.
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  He's big. As Elvis was.
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  He should have played every Saturday night anywhere.
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  He wanted to the biggest place. He can play anywhere in the
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  world and he would, but that they sell them out.
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  And that's that, again, I don't know what the motives and the
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  money, and that just seems like a random ragged, especially in
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  the very beginning, when he was, you know, and that the Louisiana
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  hayride, what, an easy. It didn't sound like, it was
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  easy for anybody. Yeah, it's completely wild and I
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  don't know, Brantley, I've told you You this.
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  But so we got a local musician here.
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  Duke Bardwell Duke played with Elvis and 74 and 75.
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  It's bass guitar and he plays with a had played with a band
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  down here called hubba hubba. Now, he sits in a lot with Dread
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  clamp but he's kind of The Godfather that band over here.
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  And I actually saw him play about a month ago.
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  He's 80 years old, dude, sounds great plays great.
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  It's really kind of crazy, but they were doing a documentary
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  with him and it was called The King and I and it was supposed
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  to really get into some stuff. But like somewhere in the middle
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  of the documentary is they're working on it, it just kind of
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  fell apart. So I don't know what happened,
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  all this footage and I want to, I want to find out.
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  I've talked to him a few times on the side about it, but it
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  seems like there was some it was some rough stuff in there too.
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  You know, with at that stage of Elvis's, career and just kind of
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  how the state that he was in. You know it wasn't all you know
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  butterflies and all the hey you got his TCB, gold necklace and
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  you know and nice he can say play with he played with the
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  King. You know, and he was there, but
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  yeah, Dukes played a lot of people.
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  He's just he's good friends. With Kenny Loggins you stop
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  enough, Kenny Loggins, he was out in Los Angeles.
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  That's actually where you hooked up with him.
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  He's from Louisiana Butch hornsby's, a guy down there that
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  a lot of not a lot of people have heard of it written.
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  A lot of great music and played a lot of great music so he did a
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  lot of stuff with him, but yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  You know, you got a guy to play with Elvis lives around here.
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  That'd be a good one to hear stories and you don't have as
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  many of those as you. Think how many people were like
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  him? That were brushed by Fame and
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  met, so many people in their career and if they could
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  remember and put it all together, the stories they have,
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  you know, like like Rick Carter from rolling down.
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  The hay from Telluride Rick. I know Rick's done some Memoirs
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  lately and done some things, but people like that and luckily
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  we've got him, he's got it out, but think how many guys and
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  girls along the the times that have had success, whether it be
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  regionally locally or nationally, Ali but end up
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  running through, and with all kinds of cool stories, a lot.
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  I'm just get out of the business or don't remember, or don't ever
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  write down or somehow just no one's around, recording it for
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  them, you know, kind of thing or asking them to I guess.
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  But the more of that would be cool especially now since he's
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  at would, you know, to get just get somebody down in this record
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  it, you know. Yeah.
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  That that I don't take that and we're running out of time with
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  some of these folks that we need exactly that we need to get get
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  with and get get all the Information is you mean, life is
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  fleeting, you have no idea and I think I don't think that'll be
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  an issue for any of these bands groups, all of that.
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  Singers, whatever that started in the, you know, when 15-20
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  years ago on because all that stuff was in place, even even
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  the 80s and stuff, there's stumps some stuff but you know,
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  to really live in those Wild Wild West days, as you say, get
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  to go back. Yeah, we need more stuff.
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  There's not in surgery now, no, in certainly.
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  Now since the social media age, because it's all recorded on
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  Facebook or Instagram, everything everybody's doing it
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  at bands, starting out level, you know, first getting their
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  stuff going level, documenting it that, you know, a lot of them
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  through that. But, you know, you just think
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  about how many good local bands you've ever seen that?
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  You knew someone you like yeah, that guy used to play with.
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  So and so and if you and that's what you may know him for, but
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  then turns out, if you talk to him, yeah, he's done way more.
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  He wrote this and they do help reduce.
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  Yeah, he was so and so's roommate when he lived out in LA
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  or something that you're like, what he's got more than he was
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  just the bass player in this band.
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  That was kind of big. It's like, no he had.
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  He had a lot of brushes with hundred percent in his belly and
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  he wrote some great music to, I mean.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  For sure. But no overall.
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  I thought the Elvis movie was good back.
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  We'll wrap it back to Elvis and The Colonel.
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  I thought the Elvis movie was good, the colonel.
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  Like I said, it's so complicated.
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  That's not A bad, just go with what they said but no it's
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  deeper than that but if you really if it intrigues you some,
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  there's a ton of great documentaries and real true
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  documentaries, not, you know, movie documentaries and and
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  books, I can drop with drop a couple that I can think of two
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  that would. But even in, you know, Elvis is
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  so big. I could be reading a Charlie
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  Daniels book and there's a over its reference or I could be
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  reading a Skynyrd book and there's a Elvis reference or I
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  could be reading a Frank Sinatra book and there's an Elvis, you
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  know. Doesn't matter what book you
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  read, have an Elvis, probably is going to get an odd in there at
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  some point when the Beatles, he's about like the Beatles.
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  It's like when yeah, what we're along the path?
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  Did you run into one of those two?
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  You know, I love got so lucky. I love the story of when the
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  Beatles went to Graceland and and, and met met Elvis and just,
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  you know, hey I mean it obviously seems like Elvis was a
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  little weird at times, too, you know?
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  Oh yeah. It's kind of a hundred percent
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  but he was he Let's face facts, he didn't grow up very normal.
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  I mean, he just some say he got the rest in.
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  Who, how do you act normal after the what?
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  And what are you? What are you going off of?
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  He didn't have a TV in his house, growing up.
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  What are you, what are you going off of you?
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  Just here we are. This is what we're doing, then
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  he just shot all of them that he got.
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  He just some for some reason, he just loved to shoot them.
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  They okay here that they fail. Okay, Elvis shot another TV
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  tonight. Yeah.
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  Oh man. That's it.
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  Have y'all toward Graceland? I have not.
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  I have I have when I was a kid and I've also since the movie
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  came out, after I saw the movie, I went I'd already.
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  I've gone into Deep dive Elvis, deep Dives for years, I've Loved
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  Elvis. Yep.
• 18:56
  But some of those, some of that stuff, I didn't know, not a
• 18:59
  whole lot but there is a I don't I can't think of a story or two,
• 19:03
  but there are a couple of things that I didn't know that were in
• 19:06
  the movie. So I went a little bit deeper
• 19:08
  into that and all that, but I Watched a few virtual tours and
• 19:13
  I remember going with a kit as a kid because I mean you know it
• 19:16
  hasn't changed. No but I think it's probably
• 19:19
  been 10 years or so. Since I went last, I actually a
• 19:22
  friend of mine from high school when he got married we end up in
• 19:25
  Memphis went to a ball game and went to Graceland just to check
• 19:28
  it out as well with fans. Put the little headset on went
• 19:30
  through it. I've probably been literally
• 19:31
  like 12 times. We used to go there all the
• 19:33
  time. From Jackson, we just go up on
• 19:34
  Christmas and go see the lights and go the tour.
• 19:36
  I've been flying. They pack when it was.
• 19:38
  Okay. It was, you know, we used to go
• 19:39
  there and eat across the I mean it wasn't that bad in like the
• 19:42
  early 90s but yeah, you know, it was on its way his rough now.
• 19:46
  But but yeah, so neat to walk through there still all the
• 19:50
  rooms everything. I mean it just it brings you to
• 19:52
  it but but I would say yeah that's a good start but
• 19:55
  definitely go dig more if you want to know how crazy the deals
• 19:59
  were in the sad part of it but the good thing were the good
• 20:02
  things that were with man you got a lot of good music out of
• 20:04
  him. You know, the TV thing would
• 20:07
  have who knows what would have happened if he would have done
• 20:09
  that if for the movie thing, if I would have done something real
• 20:12
  movie, you know, instead of like a those B movies.
• 20:14
  Yeah. But that's part of his that's
• 20:17
  part of the Legacy to, you know. He that's the whole deal Ernest
• 20:22
  it without tarnishing, it made it work somehow.
• 20:26
  Yeah, made comebacks. And you know, I mean he I think
• 20:30
  he maybe this is maybe a controversial statement but I
• 20:34
  mean I I'm just going to say it. I think next to Garth Brooks, he
• 20:38
  may be the best cover singer of all time.
• 20:41
  A lot of that Arrow didn't ride all their own stuff.
• 20:43
  You know, it was you had songwriters and stuff.
• 20:45
  That's like sure. You go back before, there are
• 20:47
  when it was Frank Sinatra Bing Crosby did Louis Armstrong for
• 20:52
  that. You know, the go back to that
• 20:54
  stuff, at a lot of them didn't write that stuff.
• 20:57
  You know, they had their was Riders team, you know, Duo
• 20:59
  Riders from New York that they were you know, and everybody
• 21:03
  covered it played each other songs, you know, in a lot of
• 21:05
  modern songs that are that are hits were they're not new,
• 21:09
  they're old songs redone. Thirty years later.
• 21:11
  Yeah but you're right though. Yeah not you know didn't write
• 21:16
  you know one of my favorite country music singers all time
• 21:18
  Charlie Pride. I don't think he wrote any
• 21:20
  songs. Wow.
• 21:22
  You know didn't and Elvis write any songs that he he got so I
• 21:27
  know he got it for a bunch of yeah you got it.
• 21:29
  Yes he got a lot of credit for a lot of them but I wonder if he
• 21:32
  actually may be silly wrote on them.
• 21:35
  Maybe something as you know definitely play any can
• 21:37
  definitely sing and it's really not fair if you can do All if
• 21:42
  you can just nail all three. Like, placing man.
• 21:45
  See ya, you see, you know, there's those guys.
• 21:48
  It's just like, what? That's just not fair and write
• 21:52
  and write his coming. I'm sure he could.
• 21:55
  And I'm sure he could act for real if he wanted to, you know.
• 21:57
  Yeah. I think he really, I think he
• 21:59
  would have been a great actor. Like you said, if he got a, ya
• 22:02
  got a hell of a lot better script.
• 22:04
  And, you know, it wasn't just letting filled all the appeal to
• 22:08
  all the girls in the world and do another Other Beach Movie
• 22:12
  from Hawaii. Was some really really crappy
• 22:16
  songs? Yeah.
• 22:18
  Always heard. He painted his hair black like
• 22:20
  that because he was a big fan of Tony Curtis, huh?
• 22:24
  That's interesting. It's what I've always heard huh?
• 22:27
  Well it worked Johnny Cash. Do the same thing with somebody
• 22:31
  out there. The internet World watching and
• 22:33
  listening to this podcast on the world wide web debunk that and
• 22:37
  hit TIG up hashtags. See what's going on there and I
• 22:40
  was getting my Let us get my haircut in Nashville.
• 22:43
  This lady older ladies cut my hair and she said she used to do
• 22:46
  Johnny Cash's hair. She said she dies hair jet
• 22:49
  black, then take a silver like a Sharpie type thing and it put in
• 22:54
  like the silver little streaks in.
• 22:56
  There was some one, the Sharpie, I forgot what she called it a
• 22:59
  time. You know, like a silver pin and
• 23:01
  put the silver streaks and he wanted jet black with, and then
• 23:04
  painted in with a little pin. They wanted it.
• 23:07
  Yeah, but man, anyway, just thinking about the blood.
• 23:11
  The jet black hair there. That's another that's a whole
• 23:13
  nother Rattle and it is how Johnny Cash.
• 23:16
  Well yeah I gave believe we've been we visited for six or seven
• 23:20
  hours and doing all this. And this is the first time that
• 23:24
  Johnny Cash's name is. Come up.
• 23:26
  That's insane. Hey man, I got to meet his son
• 23:31
  at walking out of the Opry three or four years ago.
• 23:35
  We went to a show and who's a Dailey and Vincent the yellow
• 23:40
  grass. They actually they Marty Stuart
• 23:44
  introduce them that night and and they got offered or accepted
• 23:50
  to be a member of the Opry which was cool to get to see that.
• 23:53
  That I've been to the Opry. I don't know, two or three times
• 23:57
  but to actually get to see that. See what I've seen others do.
• 24:01
  It was that was really cool and then and then his he was there,
• 24:06
  I can't remember his what's his first name.
• 24:08
  Johnny Cash's son, John. John Carter.
• 24:11
  Yeah, John Carter Cash. He was John, Carter, was there
• 24:15
  with his wife and man, she had a beautiful voice to he he's
• 24:21
  saying it was awesome. Well, walking out afterwards.
• 24:24
  We're just walking to the parking lot.
• 24:25
  You know. It's kind of hilly right there
• 24:27
  and then I just looked him to my right or left, I don't remember.
• 24:30
  I'm like well, that's him. It just went up.
• 24:34
  He took a quick picture with him you know and shook his hand and
• 24:38
  rolled on but it was like, man. Felt kind of felt like it is met
• 24:42
  Johnny Cash because he's a big old nude.
• 24:44
  He had probably probably was the same size and and all is Johnny
• 24:48
  Cash. You know, he's tall.
• 24:50
  Italy. Yeah, cool.
• 24:51
  Very cool. Very talented cat for sure but
• 24:54
  you know like that Johnny Cash, your it's crazy, the cash and
• 24:58
  Elvis connections, you know? Yeah.
• 25:00
  Sun Records. You know.
• 25:01
  Right right. It's a it's a it all goes back
• 25:05
  to their mean it that Sam who's going to name the which one of
• 25:08
  you guys are going to name the other two members of the
• 25:10
  million-dollar Quartet. It ain't gonna help you here.
• 25:15
  Jr. You can, we had Elvis Presley?
• 25:23
  We had Johnny Cash. We had Jerry Lee, Lewis.
• 25:27
  The killer Jerry Lee Lewis. Your service wasn't after Blue
• 25:30
  Suede Shoes himself. Carl Perkins, original Blue,
• 25:32
  Suede Shoes. That's all Perkins was the one
• 25:35
  all those British guys wanted to because he was the best guitar
• 25:38
  player in the bunch. Everybody wanted to be Carl
• 25:40
  Perkins blue. Yeah, He was he Jackson
• 25:42
  Tennessee, right up right between Memphis and Nashville,
• 25:46
  but that was the Million Dollar Quartet out of son, you know,
• 25:48
  Sun Records back day, they Rock. They got those.
• 25:50
  There's a couple of recordings of them all in there together,
• 25:52
  doing just working out stuff when they were all young, you
• 25:55
  know. And that crazy just the the
• 25:57
  mount a little building, 1 room. Yeah, I've been one is big as my
• 26:01
  studio. That's the inspiration for Andy
• 26:04
  layered playing that piano like he does tickling them Ivory so,
• 26:07
  well, is that Jerry Lee Lewis actually, you know, He can and
• 26:12
  he leered can flat-out hey that dude fun guy to have on here
• 26:15
  sometimes that's another one. How many times he brushed around
• 26:18
  salute you know, exam solutely ask oh man he would be fun.
• 26:21
  He and I would cut up we'd have to give about the first 15
• 26:25
  minutes of me and Andy laughing and cutting up doing our
• 26:27
  ribbity. Oh man he's my buddy.
• 26:29
  That's funny. We yeah I love and you know it's
• 26:32
  funny I always tell how I'm like how dude.
• 26:34
  You're like my best friends in the world.
• 26:36
  I was like I'll be honest with you your dad's way cooler than
• 26:39
  you are, you know? Oh, he's a character, good
• 26:46
  stuff. Yeah, we're talking about it at.
• 26:48
  We're, I know we're telling inside jokes to outside folks,
• 26:51
  but we're talking about our friend won a place in my
• 26:54
  fraternity Brothers. How layered his dad?
• 26:55
  Andy Laird is real good piano player and has played many bands
• 26:59
  and done many. Cool things with people over the
• 27:01
  years and yeah, that would be that'd be fun to get him on it
• 27:04
  sometime I think we should get a couple of those guys on.
• 27:06
  We do just do the we'll have our you know Hundred Dollar Quartet
• 27:09
  here with another guest. Before.
• 27:11
  Yeah, not the Million Dollar Quartet, that's it.
• 27:15
  Yeah, I would just in swap. Some old stories, I promise you,
• 27:19
  I could sit back and enjoy. Just enjoy it.
• 27:23
  Like, I told you on hours, that's the best when you can get
• 27:25
  like, you know, somebody gets going.
• 27:27
  And one of those guys get to telling stories, just let him
• 27:30
  go. And man, hopefully, they'll tell
• 27:31
  some story about, you know, wrestling, you know, an
• 27:36
  alligator wrestling any money over a cheeseburger or
• 27:39
  something, you know? I don't know.
• 27:42
  Are you somebody backstage caterer because I got the last
• 27:45
  you know, muffin or something? Yeah.
• 27:48
  Who knows or who you know you just never know and not but all
• 27:51
  that stuff is interesting here and now that we can get it
• 27:54
  recorded and we know we'll have it and you know that'll be good
• 27:56
  for history in general. It needs to be all that type of
• 27:59
  stuff needs to be archived mean. It really, really, and truly
• 28:02
  does. So, I mean, I think that this
• 28:04
  should be a part of the responsibility at Tigs B is to
• 28:08
  help keep some of that music and Some of those stories and those
• 28:12
  things alive that they just, they have to stay alive.
• 28:17
  I mean, they just absolutely do you know, we've got to get him
• 28:20
  on. I doubt a multi-layered
• 28:22
  remembers jamming with me, but but we did have one hell of a
• 28:28
  night at house house. One night, we got into a slap
• 28:32
  off with Bo. I don't know if you know, Beau
• 28:35
  black father. Yeah.
• 28:38
  And you know, that kind of Goes it got a little extreme but
• 28:43
  somehow or another how Andy was there and then his brother which
• 28:50
  I can't remember his name again. And anyhow think we did.
• 28:55
  We did this last show. Look dear.
• 28:57
  We've done this but yeah, we did this last can't remember the
• 28:59
  game and I am done it again because you created.
• 29:02
  Okay and I know him well this but go ahead.
• 29:05
  I believe who's probably house brother in there.
• 29:06
  What's his name? How's brother.
• 29:08
  Um, see it. He did this to me like, hey,
• 29:39
  they kind of went into a jam. And started playing, you know,
• 29:42
  they had done that at my house before to we used to get the
• 29:45
  cops called on us a lot now is you know good old days but when
• 29:52
  we I did a bit about a 12 or 14 minute version of you know,
• 29:57
  don't give me. No, I keep your hands.
• 30:00
  Use your hands. Use.
• 30:01
  Georgia Satellite there. There it is.
• 30:02
  The Georgia Satellites. I don't think I sang a correct
• 30:06
  lyric in the whole 14 minutes. Not what I mean, you know,
• 30:09
  except for the main In verse the chorus, I hit that.
• 30:13
  And then everything else is just like rambling, running a but and
• 30:18
  it could have been. There could have been things
• 30:19
  involved. But I'll tell you, man, it felt
• 30:22
  right. It was about love it.
• 30:24
  You feeling it, man. That's all you made the feeling.
• 30:27
  That's all that matters was, I feeling it.
• 30:29
  Somebody was tuned in with you and they were feeling exactly
• 30:31
  what you were putting out, brother.
• 30:33
  I promise you, I guarantee there and it was a, it was a great jam
• 30:36
  session and then he'll have any, I don't think, I realized even
• 30:39
  this videos, you gonna see him. How many videos you can see a
• 30:42
  Jr? Singing, karaoke, or singing a
• 30:44
  song 0, because Jr. Can't remember the words to
• 30:47
  nothing? You think I'd remember.
• 30:48
  I can't remember the name to songs.
• 30:49
  I hell, I'm saying a million times in my head and sing along
• 30:53
  and I can sing. I get you a verse or a course
• 30:55
  here and there, but if I cannot remember all the words to any
• 30:58
  song, I bet. I don't think I can.
• 31:00
  I don't think I could have not eat.
• 31:01
  Not even your boy, Justin more songs.
• 31:04
  We take a lot of concentration. Nothing.
• 31:06
  I mean, even the songs, like I said, even like, Hank jr.
• 31:08
  Songs. I just can't When those words
• 31:12
  disappear and music, it gets really difficult.
• 31:15
  You know, I'm in the zone man, I lose.
• 31:17
  I mean the feeling enough go I've got a bite you know I got
• 31:20
  it's only out. What do we do now?
• 31:22
  You know, I don't remember. I don't know.
• 31:24
  Look, I'll be honest with you, I've always kind of been one of
• 31:27
  those guys that I it's the music that hits me first before the
• 31:31
  lyrics. And sure there are songs that I
• 31:34
  love because of their lyrics and, and, and all of that and
• 31:37
  the meaning of the songs. But ultimately, if it doesn't
• 31:40
  sound, Write to me, if it doesn't make me tap my feet or
• 31:43
  feel it inside or convey, some type of an emotion, then I'm
• 31:46
  moving on, I don't care about it so that that's how I have to
• 31:50
  hear it first anyhow. So I get it.
• 31:52
  I don't know half the lyrics. Anyhow.
• 31:55
  I still look at bands that I'm a huge fan of like 311 and Red
• 32:00
  Hot, Chili Peppers, and stuff like that.
• 32:03
  And I'll have it play in on this screen in front of me on Spotify
• 32:06
  or whatever and I'll turn it on to the lyrics and just listen
• 32:09
  reading the lyrics wide. It's going as like, well, I'll
• 32:12
  be damned, I've been saying that wrong for every 25 years.
• 32:16
  It's a wrong word. Wow.
• 32:18
  Yeah, okay. Well, that's right.
• 32:21
  It's just part of it that way. Yeah, dude, I'm with you, I can
• 32:24
  understand, I can understand that.
• 32:26
  That's why they have. That's why I would think some
• 32:28
  singers are like that. Because I do I've been to
• 32:31
  concerts where I know they're looking at a teleprompter
• 32:33
  whatever, it's whatever you call, which would give two
• 32:37
  million which would be a million percent necessary for me as
• 32:40
  well. I would I wouldn't want to go
• 32:42
  out on that stage without one. Just yeah we just for backup I
• 32:46
  may not need it but I just wanted right there.
• 32:49
  Absolutely. You know, Justin does it use one
• 32:51
  a few times for certain songs, we do an encore might have to
• 32:54
  print some lyrics out to something that he just just in
• 32:56
  case the same thing just in case he gets lost because he doesn't
• 32:58
  do it every night. But I can remember when Wayne we
• 33:01
  open for George Jones, one time, it's City fest in Montgomery, I
• 33:06
  stayed around and watch the show side stage and Jones had.
• 33:10
  Teleprompter in front of them and I'm thinking, like, George
• 33:13
  Jones. He's saying these songs, so me
• 33:15
  and then He Stopped Loving Her Today, really.
• 33:17
  And he's got the teleprompter going from Him.
• 33:18
  He Stopped Loving Her Today and I'm thinking high.
• 33:21
  But I mean, you know, yeah, why not I mean, I know I have a
• 33:25
  bunch of songs to remember how you said all the time, you know,
• 33:29
  and there's some and if you if you do it so many times over and
• 33:32
  over to you would think and I've never confirmed this with any of
• 33:35
  artists guys. I know or gals but you think
• 33:38
  eventually to you're just kind of going through the motion if
• 33:40
  you've done. Twenty years thinking, the song,
• 33:42
  You're probably, can you probably have time to your mind
• 33:44
  to think about the grocery list and what time your flight is the
• 33:46
  next day, right? Yeah, you're not know what you
• 33:48
  got to do on Tuesday. Okay, back I got this.
• 33:50
  I thank y'all, you know? I'm yeah, we're in the first or
• 33:53
  second verse here. They don't worry and not do that
• 33:56
  every night, but I can see certain times for certain songs.
• 33:59
  I you just human that you've done it so many times that you
• 34:02
  could probably just put it on autopilot for second you kind of
• 34:05
  oh gosh, I'm still here. Yeah, I could see that
• 34:07
  happening. Oh yeah, like oh Johnny Cash
• 34:09
  song now. Not Johnny Cash.
• 34:11
  I'm sorry, Waylon Jennings. So that when and Jenny song
• 34:14
  don't jump, you think this outlaw B done, got out of hand,
• 34:17
  you know, for probably 20 years, I thought he was singing.
• 34:19
  Don't you think of that law business done?
• 34:21
  Got out of hand, you know? And I've just sunk with me and I
• 34:24
  was like, oh, it's bit not business, you know?
• 34:26
  Like it's funny though you know. But you you screaming that top
• 34:29
  of your lungs you think everybody else is thinking the
• 34:31
  same thing. Wailing Whelan's.
• 34:34
  My man, dude. He's my goods.
• 34:36
  My favorite. All.
• 34:37
  Dude, always, man that I love this song.
• 34:40
  When any, are you sure it's his guitar, man?
• 34:43
  It's the way he just, he hits can make it.
• 34:46
  Do that through some of those funky sounds that they did.
• 34:49
  I mean, it's there and it's a signature sound.
• 34:52
  You know, that's Waylon Jennings when you hear him.
• 34:54
  There's no, no doubt, phaser and, and, and Jamie Johnson, it
• 34:59
  is a bass player was, was one of Whelan's bass players.
• 35:04
  There's a huge, Waylon Jennings influence with Jamey Johnson
• 35:08
  County has because he has that Weyland, say, Sound.
• 35:12
  Yeah, for sure. You know it's got his mixture of
• 35:14
  all that stuff you know. But he always says between
• 35:17
  Jennings and Jones, you know, it's very true but no Jamie's
• 35:23
  steel player was Hanks, long time steel player Cowboy Eddie
• 35:26
  Long and he's still in the band but Waylon and Jamie huge
• 35:33
  connection buddies, that kind of stuff.
• 35:35
  Jamie actually owns, one of Whelan's, leaves, a Cadillac or
• 35:39
  Lincoln. He's got one away.
• 35:41
  Couple cars you had and Nikki Mitchell.
• 35:45
  Foundation was Whelan's, long time.
• 35:48
  It was his manager or assistant, or something like that manage,
• 35:51
  some of his stuff and they didn't Jamie end up working with
• 35:53
  her and took and he, and Randy Houser.
• 35:55
  And some of those guys do a benefit golf tournament every
• 35:59
  year in her name to raise money for the foundation.
• 36:01
  And for the, you know, what the disease that she passed from and
• 36:05
  stuff. So yeah, there's a bunch of deep
• 36:06
  ties in there with that and Jamie's kind of a historian, you
• 36:09
  know, he owns I mean, he's got, you know, he's got one of the
• 36:12
  smoking, the Bandit cars, his tour bus is black and the
• 36:16
  trailer is painted like the one in Smokey, the Bandit with.
• 36:19
  So is the cohort. The stagecoach on the side?
• 36:22
  Yeah. Just like smoked like Jerry
• 36:24
  Reed's rig. Was it had the stagecoach in the
• 36:26
  black truck? That's how Jamie's truck is on
• 36:28
  the road? Oh, that's cool.
• 36:31
  I love Jamie. I'm a huge Jamie as our
• 36:33
  modern-day contribution to that to the legend seen, in my
• 36:37
  opinion. Oh, and there's several that are
• 36:39
  gonna be there one day but Jamie.
• 36:41
  You know, he he let it be known early on hold, he came out with
• 36:46
  a Vengeance of hisses, he's going to just do it, he's going
• 36:49
  to do it his way and he's one of the best singers you're ever
• 36:52
  going to hear. And I mean is yeah, he got in
• 36:56
  there right on time. And and all the guys that were
• 36:58
  that at the Legends that were still around that point all
• 37:01
  embraced him and that was it was it was awesome, big fan and he's
• 37:06
  a friend. So it's ye say of sounds like a
• 37:08
  real nice like like what? You see is what you get.
• 37:11
  He's nice. Yeah.
• 37:12
  When I know if I told that on here before, you know, when we,
• 37:15
  when I was with Wayne Mills, Jamie would open for Wayne, you
• 37:18
  know, and the club Owners wouldn't even want to have an
• 37:20
  opener and, you know, the kind of deal.
• 37:22
  So, you know, I knew him from early on, we had the CD in the
• 37:24
  back of the truck and I always knew it was good.
• 37:25
  But yeah, big influence from from those guys and wailing.
• 37:29
  Yeah, I mean, Waylon's got that sound and those songs and a lot
• 37:32
  of his work of hers to that other people have done, but his
• 37:37
  sound in his voice, you know just was was Perfect for what he
• 37:42
  was trying to get done, you know.
• 37:43
  Yeah, they are we know it. Then if you go back though, you
• 37:46
  know, there was the clean-cut Wailing way before.
• 37:48
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:49
  You know that that was a different type of songs and they
• 37:51
  were all singing those standards standards on tender?
• 37:54
  Yeah. That's right.
• 37:55
  You know. Yeah.
• 37:56
  LOL along with Willie, you know, and I'm glad, I'm glad that they
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  broke out of that because that is not where they needed to be.
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  Is not where they need. Well, that was part of the, you
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  know. But that's part of the growing
• 38:08
  process to get ya figure out to piss you off.
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  Enough to get to where you want to go, and that Kai wouldn't be
• 38:13
  who they are, without that kind of thing, you know what I mean?
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  That's what I tell a lot of young, you know, people acts and
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  stuff. I see, you know, or, you know,
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  they didn't show up to town all wild-eyed and crazy and all the
• 38:25
  crazy stories you hear about how Outlaw they were.
• 38:27
  No, they didn't show up that way.
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  They got that way. Once they could, you know, they
• 38:30
  don't show up. All right, I'll drugs and crazy.
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  And you know, what are they telling everybody, kiss your ass
• 38:36
  because that that ain't going to work, you know what I mean?
• 38:38
  You know, that, just not unless you got some They hit they
• 38:42
  figured it out, but they didn't show up to the party like that,
• 38:45
  you know? And once they could, they did.
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  And yeah, thank goodness, they did once they went back and
• 38:50
  started doing some of their own stuff using their own bands,
• 38:52
  their own producers and stuff. And mean, you know, wanted the
• 38:56
  Outlaws was wailing. Willie Nelson, Tom, Paul,
• 39:01
  Glaser. And I mean, yeah.
• 39:04
  Tom, Paul and Jessi Colter that was the first million, you know,
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  Platinum selling record. That's first record country
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  record. Ever sell a million copies,
• 39:14
  right? Right.
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  I did not know that, you know, and that was one of the first
• 39:19
  ones out of that bunch and then you know, all the stuff we know
• 39:21
  him for more or less came after that.
• 39:24
  And then from that, well sprung, along with the southern rock
• 39:30
  influence of that. Time, sprung, a hank jr.
• 39:33
  Who also did not start off being the Hank jr.
• 39:35
  We know. Now he started, you know,
• 39:37
  obviously he had a, he had one of the he had Elvis type, he's
• 39:40
  one of In that Bunch almost with the, you know, having to start
• 39:43
  from early early age and have so much Fame and notoriety, but all
• 39:48
  that stuff combined to make, you know, turn his career to what it
• 39:51
  did for the stuff. We know him from, you know, all
• 39:53
  the stuff premium, you know, Hank jr.
• 39:56
  And friends. What wasn't what it was?
• 39:58
  Not the stuff that we all know him for, but great records.
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  But just the whole different thing.
• 40:02
  But that was that's that Evolution, you know, of the of
• 40:05
  each artist, you know. But they know them started that
• 40:07
  way. Yeah.
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  You just can't really well. I do Hank.
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  Three. He's great.
• 40:13
  Great Entertainer. Used to.
• 40:14
  I remember watching some of those documentaries about Jesco
• 40:18
  White, the dancing Outlaw hit. Show up.
• 40:20
  It's only a three shows and said over there, and steal his little
• 40:24
  West Virginia, and little step. He did there whatever you call.
• 40:27
  He's dancing deal. Oh, yeah, st.
• 40:30
  The wonderful wonderful Whites of West, Virginia West Virginia.
• 40:34
  That that is a crazy show, that's so good.
• 40:37
  I can't get enough of it. Oh yeah.
• 40:39
  I haven't seen it in a long time.
• 40:41
  There's the original You Know, PBS the original PBS one is
• 40:44
  goal, but then when they made the re the reboots, you know,
• 40:47
  years later were the made, you think original this slimy
• 40:51
  original is going to go to the original PBA.
• 40:54
  I didn't know. There was an original, I had.
• 40:56
  No, you don't know. But this is a this is a this is
• 40:59
  a West Virginia Pub. PBS channel did this in like the
• 41:01
  early 80s or like maybe it was early 90s but they have no,
• 41:06
  there's old footage of them with met me and Jessica and then when
• 41:08
  they're young, they're dad's still there and all that.
• 41:10
  That's, that's where all this came.
• 41:12
  Came from. Is that?
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  Wow. Okay.
• 41:14
  You go to YouTube and watch original Jesco White and you'll
• 41:18
  tell, you could tell it's grainy, that's where it all
• 41:22
  sprang from. And then when they read the re
• 41:23
  thing, I'm like, oh I can't believe they're letting
• 41:25
  everybody know about this because it was one of those
• 41:28
  things like there was a VCR tape you would, when I first got on
• 41:31
  the road, somebody would have on a VCR tape or a CD or a DVD and
• 41:35
  put it in the bus to watch. Use, it was a tape because it
• 41:37
  was old, it was like got passed around, Smiley overseeing, that
• 41:40
  was something we'd stay up watch later.
• 41:42
  Don't tour buses early on with some stuff like that, the
• 41:46
  footage of that, it was a PBS thing.
• 41:47
  But yeah, if anybody hadn't done no, we're talking about, check
• 41:50
  that out. But yeah.
• 41:51
  Hank. Three saw him play several
• 41:54
  shows, hung out with him a few times over the years, like the
• 41:57
  exit in in Nashville. And some of that stuff, I was
• 41:59
  always a huge fan. He had a couple records there
• 42:02
  and the early 2000s late 90s that were really good.
• 42:06
  But yeah, he did the punk rock stuff to.
• 42:08
  Yeah, I tell a and did the punk rock and he then he came back
• 42:11
  and did the country. Then he meshed it together and
• 42:13
  it all culminated at the rattlesnake rodeo and he, and he
• 42:16
  closed out a Sunday. We can't arouse a rodeo.
• 42:19
  Yeah. We we had Hank three there, and
• 42:21
  op Alabama, one year. So, I'm well, it was great.
• 42:12
  Then he meshed it together and it all culminated at the
• 42:14
  rattlesnake rodeo and he, and he closed out a Sunday.
• 42:17
  We can't arouse a rodeo. Yeah.
• 42:19
  We we had Hank three there, and op Alabama, one year.
• 42:23
  So, I'm well, it was great.