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Fraggle Talk BONUS EPISODE: Talking "Doc" with Lilli Cooper · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello and welcome to fraggle, talk.
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  The Unofficial Fraggle, Rock podcast brought to you by tough
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  pics.com. This is the podcast where we
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  cover Fraggle, Rock back to the Rock Episode by episode along
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  with the Townsend producer. As performers, writers and
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  Builders, who helped put it all together.
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  I'm your host silly creature Johannes.
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  Today, we are breaking our format once again for another
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  special bonus episode. All about everyone's favorite
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  part of the fraggle world. The humans, Our Guest today is a
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  Tony nominated actress. Best known for her Broadway
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  performances in Tootsie Spring, Awakening, and the SpongeBob
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  SquarePants Musical. She is starring in the play
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  POTUS. Currently running at the Shubert
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  Theatre on Broadway, back to the Rock, she stars as grad student,
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  Future marine biologist and owner of sprocket, the dog.
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  Doc, we are extremely pleased to welcome Lily Cooper, to the
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  podcast. Hi Lily.
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  Thank you so much for having me. Of course.
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  Thank you so much for being here.
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  You are such an important part of back to the Rock, so it's
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  fantastic. Just to just be able to chat
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  with you about the show. Yes.
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  Totally. I'm just so proud to be a part
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  of it. I mean, you know, it's something
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  that I grew up with something that my brothers grew up with my
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  husband grew up with. And I think I'm just Still
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  pinching myself that I get to, I get to play this part in this,
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  in this generation and this world right now and it feels
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  really special. And that was actually my first
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  question about your background with this show.
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  So you did you did watch it during like one of the, the
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  older runs back on HBO or yet the little tape something like
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  that. It was a little bit before my
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  generation. My my brothers are for an eight
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  years older than me and so they washed it and I watched lots of
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  reruns and so And they're huge, you know, Muppet Henson lovers
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  as am I. And so when I told them I was
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  auditioning for this show, they just totally freaked out and say
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  with my husband and he's kind of in the same age, range is them
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  and so I was even though I was a little bit younger I still was a
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  huge fan growing up. That's terrific.
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  I mean you love to hear that with people go from being a fans
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  who actually getting to lie They play in that sandbox.
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  It's always such a thrill. Yeah.
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  So, let's talk a little bit about your, your process to
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  becoming doc. How did you get the audition and
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  what was the audition like for you?
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  Yeah. So, the audition was really
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  interesting. I mean, like, when you watch the
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  episodes, you realize that really?
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  I am. My only scene partner is
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  sprocket, the brilliant, John tartaglia and rock.
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  It doesn't talk. He makes lots of noises and
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  reacts and and is this. Totally, you know, charismatic
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  creature. But he doesn't have any actual
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  lines. And so, all of the lines are
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  mine and my scenes. And so it's a lot of text and so
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  that I think was, my biggest challenge was a memorizing, all
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  of the text kind of streaming it together.
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  And for my audition, it was really just a monologue.
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  But one of the biggest descriptions of Doc, is that she
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  is a huge dog lover. And I Have two dogs and so in my
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  audition tape, which I recorded at home, you know, during the
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  pandemic, my dog was in it with me and he was my sprocket.
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  And so I, you know, I have that that relationship on camera with
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  my dog. And I think that that actually
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  really helps me get the job because it was all about how
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  much I love. I love my little furry friend
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  and at that really helped me to Onset.
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  You know, I fell in love with sprocket on set.
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  It was So fun to interact with this creature.
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  And you know, it felt so alive. I mean, I remember even our show
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  Runners would come up to me and be like, do you realize that
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  you're petting sprocket when John, there was just this
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  inanimate, pop it on the floor. And I would just be patting him
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  because we just felt so connected.
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  So it was really close to home. And that way he was, he was kind
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  of like my dog when I was, when I was away from home filming.
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  Yeah. I mean, we said on the spot,
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  Outkast many times. That sprocket is not a puppet.
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  Sprocket is a real dog. I mean, there's no question
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  about it, you know? Like he acts like a real dog,
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  like he is alive at. That is a real dog and it's nice
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  to know that even if there's not a hand inside that puppet, like
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  he's so has that magic. There's something really special
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  about fret about sprocket, there is something so special about
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  him. I think just his face is, so
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  it's so just precious and adorable.
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  And you fall madly in love with him.
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  You can kind of stare into his eyes even when there.
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  Into a hand in there. He just feels so real.
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  Absolutely. And, you know, you mentioned,
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  you know, you're auditioning and actually all of your scenes with
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  sprocket having so much dialogue because you're really carrying
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  the scene, is it, it must be difficult even, as you know,
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  seasoned performer to have all those lines and you're working
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  with the puppet in your, I assume trying to avoid like
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  holes in the ground. You probably have some other
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  business that you're doing, you know, in that goes along with
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  the scene. Like it just seems like a lot of
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  details It's to keep straight 100%.
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  I mean, it was definitely the most challenging work I've ever
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  done on screen. It was such a thrilling
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  challenge because it was all new things I've never done before.
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  I had never worked with puppeteers who, by the way, are
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  some of the most incredible artists I've ever known?
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  I mean, it's an incredible art form.
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  Puppeteering it. It's there's so much more that
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  goes into it than you would ever imagine as a viewer.
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  And I loved kind of learning the tricks of the trade.
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  But yeah, you know, there are holes in the ground that you can
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  quite literally fall through. You're trying to figure out the
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  right, you know, angles of how you're interacting with the
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  puppets around you so that you know they're seen on camera in
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  the right way is so it's a lot of intricate things that I had
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  never worked with before and learning.
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  All of that is kind of being thrown into it, on top of, you
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  know, all of the techniques. Text.
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  I had to learn and I squeezed all of my episodes into 10 days
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  of filming. It was insane.
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  So it was such a whirlwind of an experience, the fact that we did
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  the entire season and just two weeks was crazy.
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  But, you know, I think adrenaline, really got me
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  through and I knew I wanted to show up and do the best possible
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  job I could. And I remember, Of leaving set
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  after I wrapped and just thinking God, how did that even
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  happen? How did I do that?
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  I was also secretly eight weeks pregnant.
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  No one knew because I was so early on and so I was really
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  sick during the day. I had morning sickness.
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  I was exhausted. I was utterly exhausted.
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  I remember one scene where they were working on a lot of
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  sprocket stuff and I had to actually take a nap on my bed on
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  the set because I Was so dead. I was so tired.
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  So yeah, it was a lot of things all at once.
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  But I mean, it was just so exciting to be able to do this.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'll confirm few none of that tired.
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  Sick, any of those feelings showed up on the screen I had,
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  we had no idea. You look like you're having a
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  blast. And if it showed up on screen at
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  all, I'm sure we could talk it down to like Doc is a grad
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  student, she's burning. The candle at both ends.
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  Of course, I'm exhausted. He's totally frazzled.
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  There's a lot that she has to get done.
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  I mean he's literally trying to save the world and you know
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  doing it with with no budget with with no lab space.
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  I mean this was it's huge it was a huge challenge for dock and I
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  think that really helped me you know I was I was using this this
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  kind of like stress and exhaustion that I was
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  experiencing in my everyday life and I think I was really using
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  that in my performance as Doc and and yeah like don't get me
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  wrong, I had The most fun, it was such a fun time.
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  I felt like I was learning as a performer and growing as an
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  artist and I felt so proud to be representing women and brown
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  women and scientists. And I, you know, I just feel
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  like it is it's I'm really, I'm really excited that they chose
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  me for this role because I think That I hope that you know, young
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  brown girls and boys will see this and grow up with it and you
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  know, have dreams of becoming whatever they want to become but
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  let alone scientists and inventors.
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  So it just it feels really just so special.
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  That's really all I can describe it as it's so special.
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  Yeah, I mean, none of that importance was lost on us.
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  It was really great that we could add this I think the old
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  Fraggle Rock only had one human. You see, one human being on
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  stage and are sorry. I'm set on the on-screen and for
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  that to be for that to be a woman of color is really
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  profound. And I think it makes it very
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  relevant and present today. Absolutely.
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  And we did have a lot of people when you're casting was
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  announced kind of come out of the Woodworks and say like like
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  oh my gosh, like the new dock like she's a woman, she's a
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  person of color. Like that's fantastic.
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  We've already seen. So few, humans interact with the
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  fraggles at all. And to get that combination is,
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  I think I think terrific and I want more of it on my screen for
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  sure. So let's talk a little bit about
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  the the original doc, the late great Jerry Parks, who performed
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  dock on the old series or at least the American version of
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  Fraggle Rock. There's not a whole lot of
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  similarities between the two of you at least, in my opinion, but
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  Is it was there anything that you felt like you wanted to take
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  out of the characterization of the old Dock and make sure that
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  it was presence present in your characterization, for me.
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  The most important thing was the relationship with sprocket.
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  I, I knew that I was creating something completely different.
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  I wasn't going to be anything like Jerry, and I couldn't
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  write. So, I knew that I wanted to go
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  into this creating something completely new, but what I
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  think, Did maintain was this just loving adorable
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  relationship between a pet and their owner.
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  And that was something that I really wanted to come across and
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  was really important to me. And so, you know, I actually
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  chose not to watch too many episodes of the original
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  fraggle, right before I was filming because I didn't, I
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  didn't want to get too influenced from the original
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  because I didn't want to feel kind of bogged down to to
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  Something, because I knew I was cast for a reason, I was cast to
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  bring my own uniqueness to the dock and that's what I loved
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  about doing it. So, the one thing that really
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  stuck out to me and the few episodes that I did, we watch
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  were, was the relationship that doc had with sprocket.
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  And I hope that, you know, I did that Justice.
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  You absolutely did. And, yeah, I mean also, like the
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  old doc was such a, he was so scatterbrained and so, you know,
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  it's not all there. That wouldn't have really worked
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  for your character. I know it's more, like, in the
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  development and the scripts, but, you know, you, your dock is
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  so much more capable. I mean, she like, we keep
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  saying, like, she's out to save the world.
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  She doesn't care about sewing. A button to a fried egg.
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  Like the old guy. Yeah, exactly.
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  Exactly. He's a problem, solver.
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  And so, even when bumps come along in the road, she figure
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  out what's out. How to get past those.
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  And I think that it's a beautiful Thing to watch because
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  it's a great lesson to learn to be able to kind of get past
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  hurdles in your life. And she's really, really great
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  at at attacking hurdles in her life.
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  Back to the rock is sort of this soft reboot from the old show.
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  It's like, it's kind of the same.
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  It's kind of not the same continuity and we're all
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  obviously on board for that. But in your own personal
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  headcanon, is there a relationship between Doc and
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  Doc? You know, I've seen a lot of
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  like questions on Twitter and stuff and like who are Doc and
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  Doc related. Are they could they be family
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  members? I mean, the this the set that
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  they created is so fun. I loved interacting with the
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  said that they created and it's different enough but like kind
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  of an homage I was like is it could this be the same space
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  that they live in? I like to think that Wee.
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  Could have. Cross paths in terms of like our
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  education and like the past that we took and we had similar like
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  I might have, I might have a super, super super old teacher,
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  that also taught doc, you know what I mean?
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  Like, that's like the kind of connection that I feel like the
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  docks have definitely. And like there's also some
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  Easter eggs that the fans have noticed.
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  For example, your landlady's name is mrs.
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  Shimmelfinney, which is the name of Doc's, old neighbor and
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  friend. And is that was that mr.
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  Shimmelfinney wife or enough time has passed.
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  What is it? His daughter?
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  I don't know. Yeah, could be anything.
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  Yeah, you know, there are so many.
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  There were so many Easter eggs that like Easter eggs, that I
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  didn't even catch that people had to, kind of tell me about
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  when I was on set and I, that was one of them that I had
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  completely forgotten about that. That was, you know, Ducks
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  neighbor, but I love that it can So you can kind of create your
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  own family tree and web of what you think it could possibly be
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  like is it the neighbors granddaughter or nice?
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  And it's a new house that she is a landlord of now just in the
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  same town. But like there are all these
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  kind of connections that it could be but I feel like it's
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  one of those things that you kind of got to create it in your
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  own mind to do. So definitely.
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  I mean that's also like we're never going to confirm or deny
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  any of that stuff. So, like in might as well just
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  it's gonna live in. Headcanons.
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  Anyway, it's just for funsies. So you're currently starring in
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  the play POTUS on Broadway with some pretty big stars.
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  Vanessa Williams, Rachel trash. We get the larger you, if you
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  bonded with any of them over your work with Muppets because
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  each of them have have also interacted with Muppets or
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  Henson characters in the past. Yeah, you know what?
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  We actually haven't talked about it, I'm so excited to do that
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  now. I mean, Vanessa is newly a
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  grandmother and she has a six month old grandson and a few of
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  stage managers have nieces and nephews.
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  And so like, the hugest thing that I've connected to with
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  company members of the show are the younger generation of our
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  families watching this show, which is so exciting.
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  Because it feels like, you know, a new generation of kids being
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  introduced to this incredible world, this fantastic world.
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  And it's just really exciting to kind of No, have a new
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  generation of kids, be a part of it.
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  So that's what we've connected on but I actually can't wait to
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  talk to them about being a part of the Muppet world, I kind of
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  forgot about that. Yeah, I mean, look at go ask
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  Vanessa Williams about being the queen of trash and the Elmo
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  Grouchland movie. You know, she's young.
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  She's the one who has all the stories.
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  I don't know. I'm so sprocket.
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  Wasn't the only the only puppet that you got to interact with,
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  in your time. There you also had A little
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  Crossover with traveling Matt, a little Crossover with cotter
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  pin. The doozer, do you have any fun
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  memories of at least getting to a meeting?
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  It's like really work with the like the whole fraggle cast
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  phone but to get to at least cross paths with those two.
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  Absolutely. My favorite is cutter pain.
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  Leaves her little baby itty-bitty drill on Doc's table
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  and I would always talk about it about how cute and adorable.
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  It is my wish that I had it and my last day of filming The crew
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  gave me the little mini drill as a gift, so I still have that on
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  my keychain. It's like my favorite thing
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  ever. I was gonna say don't lose it.
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  Like that's so tiny. It's gonna fall between like
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  couch cushions. Yeah exactly.
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  It's so small. And it's so adorable.
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  And I one of my favorite episodes is when traveling Matt
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  comes back to Fraggle Rock and gets Captured and I kind of
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  interact with him in that dream sequence of sprockets and it was
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  hilarious because I got to wear this sweater with sprockets face
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  on it. And, you know, I gave him this
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  like gigantic biscuit cookie biscuit thing.
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  And it was really fun to be in a scene with one other puppet, you
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  know, because I even with even with Gobo and even with cotter
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  pin, we're never Police team together.
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  We're always just kind of crossing paths.
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  So that one moment that I actually got to be in a scene
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  with traveling that was really exciting.
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  Yeah, that's cool. That's a good one.
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  I feel like we all need to have that once in our lives to be in
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  a dream in a real dream sequence, a film's dream
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  sequence with a real fraggle. So you mentioned that you have a
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  new tiny human in your life. Have you have you shown him the
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  show yet? Oh yeah, we watch it.
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  Literally every Morning during breakfast.
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  And you know we've watched it I'd since its premiered.
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  So for a few months now and he he's growing, he's growing into
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  recognizing things on the screen and recognizing the music and
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  we're really interested to see if he starts recognizing me.
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  And realizing that you know this person on the screen is his
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  mama. And so far we can tell that he's
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  really enamored when I'm on screen which Very exciting makes
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  me very happy but he loves all of the music and my husband, and
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  I always kind of, like, throw cute little cute little quotes
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  at him, like, what's our favorite one bottle in the bin?
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  Hey, bottle in the bin. Hey, hey.
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  So here we always just like do random little things from from
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  the show just to make him smile and laugh.
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  And he loves it. He just giggles at.
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  All of the little references. We make this terrific.
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  I mean, And we should have more tiny fraggle fans.
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  That's how we make new adult fraggle fans.
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  Right exactly. Yeah.
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  Who is your favorite Fraggle? I mean that's so hard, but I
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  gotta say, I gotta say Wembley Wembley is my favorite fraggle
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  in in Back to the Rock specifically because I feel like
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  he goes on such a wonderful journey of self-exploration and
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  and you know, understanding who he is and kind of breaking out
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  of his shell and and, you know, getting past all of The wembling
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  that he does. And I love some of his songs are
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  my favorite and yeah, I think he's, he's one of my faves.
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  Well, that's a good choice, that's a good option.
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  The it's funny because on the old show like any other show for
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  the most part especially kids shows.
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  It's like there's always that status quo, you have to get back
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  to you by the end of an episode. So a character can go through
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  all the growth in the world, but they're going to be back to
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  square one by the end, and they did kind of update some things
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  by the end of Series. But for the most part, you know,
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  over 90 episodes, that was pretty much it.
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  But here because the new show is serialized like we do have that
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  opportunity to see Wembley you know, go through that and
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  decision and kind of get sidelined and then find himself,
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  you know, a member of the, the elders Council and you'll be
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  coming like yeah I like the right he's when bowls and
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  Wimbledon titles and then like you know he kind of like make
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  some decisions for himself. It's that's a good Arc celebrity
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  that everyone's obsessed with and like it.
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  It's just, it's, I love watching every kind of moment that he
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  has. It's really.
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  It's really fun. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. When was my favorite too.
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  I love that guy. So we're still waiting to hear
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  if the show has been renewed for a second season or now we're
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  keeping our fingers crossed. Is there anything that you want
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  to see happen or for your character to do in a potential
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  season 2? Well, you know, I love the music
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  on Iraq. Have always loved the music and
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  I am a singer and I didn't get to sing on season one.
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  And so I'm hoping that, you know, fingers crossed if season
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  to happens if and when season 2 happens, that doc might be able
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  to sing a little bit. I feel like that would be really
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  fun. That was literally.
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  The one thing that I wrote down plus can we have doxing?
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  And it's funny because I don't think Jerry Parks was a good
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  singer. I think the only Time we ever
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  heard him sing was, like in the background and I don't you ever
• 22:22
  see Muppet family Christmas, the yeah, The Muppets The fraggles,
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  the Sesame characters, all joint over Christmas and Doc, is like
• 22:29
  singing A Christmas Carol, like behind behind everyone else.
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  You can kind of hear him a little bit, which makes me think
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  like that guy was not a trained singer.
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  So yeah. We're going to add that to the
• 22:39
  dock Cannon is the new dock to dock sings.
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  Yeah, exactly. What do you think?
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  Do you think doc could save the world?
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  Her microplastic bacteria. I sure hope so.
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  I mean, I think it, it could make a huge, huge difference in
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  the world. And I think it is a step toward
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  Saving, you know, saving the saving that the future of, of
• 23:14
  the world in like keeping it for a little bit longer.
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  Hopefully, as long as people listen, as long as people listen
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  to science. And and I think that's a really
• 23:27
  important message in the show, is, is listening to the
• 23:30
  importance of Science and how science can save the world.
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  So I do Hope that that doc can take a step towards saving the
• 23:39
  world for sure. I think your rights and, you
• 23:41
  know, Fraggle Rock was was created with the intention of
• 23:44
  like, maybe this is the TV show that could save the world or is
• 23:47
  Jim Henson said more specifically that it could end
• 23:49
  war. And, you know, I believe that
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  the new show is definitely keeping that that, you know,
• 23:57
  conceit moving forward. But what I'm hoping is that some
• 24:05
  kid is Is right now, watching back to the Rock and they're
• 24:08
  seeing doc, go through these motions and have these
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  accomplishments and what a great idea.
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  And maybe that kid will go on to become a grad student of their
• 24:18
  own scientists or, you know, something that will be world
• 24:23
  changing and will change the world and will, you know, have
• 24:28
  Fraggle Rock and docked. So thanks for that.
• 24:30
  Yeah, absolutely. I need and even even more than
• 24:34
  just doc. I mean Messages of the shows
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  that are introduced to children at such a young age are so
• 24:42
  important and I cannot think of anything else that does this.
• 24:45
  Any other show that has an example of an echo chamber and
• 24:49
  of understanding consent. I mean, all of these, these very
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  deep kind of intense subjects that are brought up in very
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  tangible, very approachable ways.
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  And so I hope that there That they're opening the eyes of the,
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  you know, kids in this new generation of children and and
• 25:13
  some may become scientists and be inspired by Doc and some, I
• 25:18
  hope will grow up to just be kind generous people.
• 25:24
  And that's that's another huge thing that I think Fraggle Rock
• 25:28
  will inspire. Yeah, we got the bare minimum
• 25:31
  like let's make sure that kids are going up, kind, they don't
• 25:34
  need to invent a new back. Area just you know don't be a
• 25:37
  jerk just don't be a jerk easy in the episode of The Legend of.
• 25:43
  I see Joe. We get a glimpse at Doc's cork
• 25:46
  board. That has photographs of all of
• 25:48
  her. She Rose, including Michelle,
• 25:50
  Obama Ruth, Bader Ginsburg, Jane Goodall Dolly, Parton, a bunch
• 25:52
  of others. Did you have any input on what
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  went on that board? You know, I didn't because they
• 26:01
  had every woman that I could think of that were my heroes,
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  you know. And I had I did, they did ask,
• 26:09
  for my input is specifically for the set.
• 26:12
  There was anything else that I kind of thought of that, I would
• 26:14
  like to add to the set. But I just loved every woman
• 26:18
  that they had on that board and I honestly couldn't think of
• 26:20
  another one. And I felt so honored to be able
• 26:23
  to pin my little face on there next to all of them.
• 26:27
  Great actually. And speaking of the props that
• 26:29
  are around the workshop there's one that I keep meaning to go
• 26:33
  back and find it and you know pause and zoom and all that.
• 26:37
  Is there a picture of you with a baby sprocket on the set?
• 26:42
  Yes there is it's me and babies Brockett kind of in this little
• 26:48
  like you know dog bed and he has like a little bow on and it's
• 26:52
  kind of like you know, it's our first, it's almost like it feels
• 26:55
  like the day I brought him home. I'm from the shelter you know
• 26:58
  it's like that kind of picture is the sweetest.
• 27:01
  I loved the photo shoot that we got to do me and sprocket
• 27:04
  together. There's one of us on vacation
• 27:06
  skiing together and there's one of us in our lab like holding
• 27:11
  vials of you know, chemicals and things.
• 27:15
  So yeah, there are a lot of really really great photos.
• 27:18
  That's cool. I hope they that Henson releases
• 27:20
  those because I would love to see all those in like like up
• 27:22
  close and clear. All right.
• 27:25
  And also like the baby's frock. A picture.
• 27:27
  Undoes a theory of mind that I had, which is fine, which was
• 27:32
  that because dogs never die. Especially puppet dogs like
• 27:36
  sprocket is that it was the same sprocket from the previous stock
• 27:40
  and you know, doc has moved on. And now sprocket has moved on to
• 27:44
  his news doc but if he was a he was a puppy with you.
• 27:50
  Then that's got to be two different dogs.
• 27:52
  Who knows? Maybe the sprockets are related.
• 27:54
  Maybe sprocket, Junior. Actually, I have one more
• 28:00
  question for you and I get really I'm just looking for a
• 28:04
  yes or no because I have a feeling that you wouldn't be
• 28:06
  able to actually answer it. Do you know what, Doc's real
• 28:10
  name is? No.
• 28:15
  All right. Do you want to make one up and
• 28:18
  we'll just say it's Cannon now. Do I want to make one up?
• 28:24
  Just on the spot on the spot? Okay, I think doc my Doc's name
• 28:31
  is all this is so hard. What if I say something with my
• 28:34
  good? Are deeply regret?
• 28:36
  Okay. I think Doc's name is Angelica,
• 28:45
  I love it. Doc Angelica?
• 28:49
  Why not? All right well it's Cannon.
• 28:51
  Now everyone update your contacts on your phone for Doc.
• 28:55
  It's no Angelica. Well hopefully at some point we
• 29:00
  will get a hint as to what Doc's name is but I like Doc it's what
• 29:03
  a cool nickname. I wish I didn't name like that,
• 29:06
  it's so cool. Well, is there anything else
• 29:10
  that you want to add any other memories of working on the set
• 29:13
  with the with Fraggle Rock? That might be interesting to our
• 29:17
  listeners. Um, I remember one moment on Sat
• 29:25
  where, where that episode where sprocket got fleas and had to
• 29:30
  come in with a cone and I don't want to give any like you guys.
• 29:33
  Have you guys like talked kind of about puppetry tricks?
• 29:37
  Sure, but please feel free. Like, remind us what?
• 29:41
  It was so cool because you, I mean, like, you would look at
• 29:44
  sprocket on your screen and you. Okay.
• 29:46
  That's like a person you know, his hand is like inside of a
• 29:50
  sprocket, like that's it, that's like how puppets are made.
• 29:52
  But the number of people that are involved in puppeteering one
• 29:57
  puppet is truly miraculous, you would never imagine.
• 30:02
  And there was one scene where we had to.
• 30:05
  I had to walk in through the door and The Cone was too big,
• 30:07
  so there was a sprocket outside and that Puppeteer outside and
• 30:10
  then one underneath the floorboard and since the
• 30:13
  floorboard was open right on the other side of the door.
• 30:16
  Or I had to like step over the floor board and then another
• 30:20
  sprocket came up and then we had like a little tail moving around
• 30:22
  and it was just so it was this more I was like holy crap.
• 30:27
  How does this even happen? How did they come up with this?
• 30:30
  It's brilliant. There are five people making
• 30:35
  sprocket right now and it was just so unbelievable and I just
• 30:41
  I like in that moment I was like this is Magic, this is truly
• 30:44
  magic. I love that.
• 30:46
  This is a thing that I'm even here, that I'm even a part of
• 30:49
  this, I felt like I was totally geeking out.
• 30:52
  So that was my, that was my like, you know, Pinch Me moment
• 30:56
  of like, this is the coolest thing ever.
• 30:58
  And I just can't believe how intricate it all it.
• 31:02
  And I love it so much. I mean, what we started this
• 31:05
  conversation talking about how the puppeteers can do so much
• 31:11
  and you know, like bare minimum, they're all brilliant
• 31:14
  manipulators like they can take a Thing that is not alive in the
• 31:17
  can make it look like it's alive.
• 31:18
  But on top of that there's all that coordination.
• 31:21
  There's all those that Innovation, there's I mean and
• 31:25
  then beyond that, it's just it's a voices in the singing, the
• 31:28
  choreography, it just goes on and on the hand-eye coordination
• 31:33
  is truly something that I can't even wrap my mind around because
• 31:38
  what they're doing is like, having a hand up a puppet, or
• 31:42
  like holding onto a wand or something.
• 31:44
  But then looking at a monitor So that they can see what the
• 31:47
  camera is seeing and having that kind of their, you're
• 31:52
  disconnected there. You're not even looking directly
• 31:54
  at the puppet. You're looking at what the
• 31:55
  camera sees and just watching these incredible artists do what
• 31:59
  they do. It's, it's so cool because you
• 32:02
  think, like, wow, I was I, there's no way I could do it, so
• 32:06
  it's also impressive. It really is.
• 32:09
  I couldn't do it either. That's, I mean, it's it's too
• 32:12
  much at once. Like I could do one thing anyone
• 32:15
  like, Unstick to hold. I can hold that stick.
• 32:18
  That's fine. But like, all those things on
• 32:20
  top of each other, I'm gonna forget half of it.
• 32:23
  I know it's insane. Well Lily Cooper, thank you so
• 32:27
  much for being here on this podcast.
• 32:29
  It was such a joy to get to talk to you and to learn so much more
• 32:32
  about doc, I'm hoping that we'll get a season 2 and if so, we'd
• 32:38
  love to have you back, we'll do this again.
• 32:40
  We'll talk about Doc's big song and the big Revelation that of
• 32:45
  Doc's, Doc's name, definitely, exactly.
• 32:55
  He knows. Well folks, that brings us to
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