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Almost Famous In Depth: Mike Johnson · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I Almost Famous in depth. It's been so long since
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  Speaker 1: we've heard that intro video for this, and I can't
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  Speaker 1: tell you how much I love it. This is honestly
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite times of any season, is what
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  Speaker 1: we can do an in depth episode. I also love
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  Speaker 1: the way that your tone is like so much more
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  Speaker 1: like stop. I mean, I like in death because when
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little nasily right now, I'm a little nasi
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  Speaker 1: and my buddy has two kids and we shared like,
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  Speaker 1: uh the same cup and I know I got sick
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  Speaker 1: from him. Um, hey guys today, Uh the background, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that was picture. I actually like the
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  Speaker 1: gast photo was terrible. If you hear the man's voice,
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  Speaker 1: it's uh sensual, I would say it's it's a great voice.
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  Speaker 1: His name is Mike Johnson. We've promised that we would
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  Speaker 1: have the an in depth episode. You've all asked for it,
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  Speaker 1: and worry, we now have it. Mike Johnson. Uh, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't know, um who he is, well you're not
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  Speaker 1: a fan of the show. Um, but he's a thirty
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  Speaker 1: one year old Air Force veteran from San Antonio who
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  Speaker 1: now works as a financial portfolio manager. Contestant from season
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  Speaker 1: fifteen of the Bachelorette with Hannah Brown describes himself as
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  Speaker 1: a city boy who likes to getting down in dirty.
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  Speaker 1: Allegedly allegedly that was in your first Q and A,
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  Speaker 1: I guess allegedly is speaking to Demi Livada. But before
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  Speaker 1: we speak to Mike Johnson, we gotta pause here to
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  Speaker 1: say we're live from the planet of Hollywood and Las.
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  Speaker 1: What is my life? Um, Mike Johnson, welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: In Depth Podcast. Thank you, Thanks. Um. I want to
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  Speaker 1: there there's a little bit of an elephant in the room,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it is best to get it started
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  Speaker 1: right away because here's a thing, Mike. I want to
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  Speaker 1: preface this right now by saying, my co host thinks
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  Speaker 1: you are amazing. She she no, no, no, this let
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  Speaker 1: me this is this is my zone. She is a
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  Speaker 1: huge she's a huge fan of you. She loves you.
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  Speaker 1: But there had been and just like normal, like just
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  Speaker 1: like this world happens, there was trolls that came out
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  Speaker 1: and said, hey, Ashley doesn't like Mike, and then it
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  Speaker 1: kind of blew up into this thing. It offended you,
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  Speaker 1: Mike for some of the things that Ashley has said
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  Speaker 1: in the past. And I think before we get started
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  Speaker 1: and we can really trust each other here in this circle,
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  Speaker 1: we have to talk about it, right, So if I
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  Speaker 1: fall backwards and don't look you got me? I got you. Man.
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  Speaker 1: I hear this stuff, Ashley, from your perspective, what was said,
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  Speaker 1: what was the context of what was said, and what
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  Speaker 1: happened to make this whole thing as something? Um, I
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  Speaker 1: think that. Well. First off, I think when we do
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  Speaker 1: these like podcasts and all the recaps I do, I
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  Speaker 1: do have to criticize, you know, if I see something
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I have to like not criticized. But I can't
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  Speaker 1: just be butterflies and rainbows with every single thing that
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  Speaker 1: happens on the show or whether it's in real life.
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  Speaker 1: What to be rainbows and butterflies. Yeah, that's true. He's
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  Speaker 1: the one that like always takes the easier out and
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  Speaker 1: like he's like, surely said this, but this, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: will sometimes be a little bit harder. I was harder
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  Speaker 1: on Kaylin too, and like I did the same thing
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast. I was like, look, I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the birst the best first impression of her, and then
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  Speaker 1: I met her in real life. Well I met her
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  Speaker 1: in real life a couple of times, but it was
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  Speaker 1: when we actually broke the silence that I was like, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this is a completely different person than I thought she was.
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  Speaker 1: I think with Mike, I saw you on the show
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  Speaker 1: and you were like the warmest, friendliest person, and then
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  Speaker 1: the thirty seconds and it was like thirty seconds that
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  Speaker 1: I met you at the wedding. I felt like somebody
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  Speaker 1: introduced me to you as like the Bachelor beat reporter,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like there they were like, um, this
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  Speaker 1: is actually she has like a whole bunch of recaps,
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  Speaker 1: she does this and that, and then I said yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody is loving you like literally nobody can think
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  Speaker 1: of a bad thing to say about you. And the
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  Speaker 1: first thing you said to me, I don't care about
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  Speaker 1: any of that, and I felt like I was kind
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  Speaker 1: of discredited. I just felt like I was personally. I
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  Speaker 1: took a little bit of offense to that because it
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  Speaker 1: was almost like you're putting down what I do. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going off of what you're saying, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember none of that. Um. I'm not saying that you're wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but just going off what you're saying. Yeah, that's something
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  Speaker 1: I would say, I don't care about nothing. If if
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  Speaker 1: someone were to say to me, hey, everyone thinks you're amazing.
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  Speaker 1: That's me saying, yeah, I don't care about none of that.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a conversation. So I think you took that
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  Speaker 1: completely out of context. Okay, and that's probably very true,
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  Speaker 1: probably very true. What is it that you felt like
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  Speaker 1: you had an issue with me about? It's one. I
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  Speaker 1: think we are making it bigger than I think we
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  Speaker 1: are too. I do think we are too, because but
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  Speaker 1: I think it has to be talked about because it
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  Speaker 1: does get brought up every once in a while. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it if you're watch me in
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  Speaker 1: the bachlordor I'm gonna come at you coming me, Damn sure,
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  Speaker 1: I will come at you. And So from what people
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  Speaker 1: had told me my d M and from what I
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  Speaker 1: think you, I think the same. I think something crazy happened.
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  Speaker 1: I think that people like literally took me being like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get the greatest first impression, and then people
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  Speaker 1: really flip it like hardcore. I was like, I met
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  Speaker 1: him for thirty seconds, Yeah, you married for thirty seconds,
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  Speaker 1: exactly my point. So from what you had said from
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  Speaker 1: just an article, I just right while sitting over there
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  Speaker 1: to make sure I got my facts right. He said,
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  Speaker 1: you know albeit it was only like thirty seconds that
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  Speaker 1: we spoke, but you didn't get the best impression. He
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  Speaker 1: won't be the bachelor cool stuff. Didn't say that we
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be the bachelor. That's what some article I just said.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't the quote fair enough? Cool? And my issue
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  Speaker 1: is that you should damn sure coming me first. You
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  Speaker 1: just talked to me because I'm a pretty damn good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and I know I'm gonna learn this this weekend
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  Speaker 1: because we're gonna have a lot more time. And then
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  Speaker 1: I probably should never have even spoken on the first impression.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my first impression of the band was damn,
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  Speaker 1: he's tall. He's good too. Yeah, this guy is so awkward.
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  Speaker 1: My first I pression was Michael was, well, I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk to this guy. He's got big arms. Hey, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: can you move out of the way for both of you?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I had never watched the show prior, and
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  Speaker 1: so for one that my happiest time while being on
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  Speaker 1: Batchelan Faradix was at the wedding, yeah for Chris and Crystal,
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  Speaker 1: and because I just felt free and just was just
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  Speaker 1: loving life right then. And so it was just a cluster.
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  Speaker 1: It was, and the more I thought about it, the
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  Speaker 1: more I was like, I was super overwhelmed. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like everybody was overwhelmed because we had no idea what
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  Speaker 1: we were going into and it was not the appropriate
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  Speaker 1: time to make a judgment. I gotta ask you something, though,
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear your opinion on this. So here's
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  Speaker 1: the scenario is playing out right. We've we've we've talked
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  Speaker 1: through this. We understand as a miscommunication. We understand that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, tabloids and rumors are gonna get started, It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna get blown up. Right. Here's where maybe I want
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  Speaker 1: you to help me understand. This is a deep topic.
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  Speaker 1: I am about that smiles coming out now to paint
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  Speaker 1: the picture for your guys, actually says something like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Mike not might not be the best the next bachelor.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get at good first impression. Nothing about you personally, really.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can ask her, Ashley, why do
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  Speaker 1: you think? And then all of a sudden, here's what happens,
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  Speaker 1: And this is where it hurts. She's called a racist.
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  Speaker 1: What do we what do you do with that? Like
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  Speaker 1: we go from hey, maybe this person just say isn't
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  Speaker 1: gonna be the next bachelor to all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: she's a racist. That's a big jump and incredibly offensive
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  Speaker 1: to I think both sides. Um So I heard that,
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  Speaker 1: I heard, I mean, I thought that was absolutely insane
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  Speaker 1: how people would go from that too. I want to
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  Speaker 1: hear what you think of that though, because it isn't
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  Speaker 1: This isn't a one off thing. I mean, it's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 1: and later on the podcast, I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: you not being chosen the next Bachelor and how you
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  Speaker 1: feel about that and what the show is gonna do
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  Speaker 1: and what is your response. But this isn't We've talked
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  Speaker 1: to Rachel lindsay about this before you are. You're blazing
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  Speaker 1: a trail and batchelor nation one that should be blazed.
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  Speaker 1: But why then, is this the conclusion to every criticism,
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  Speaker 1: big or small. So you have a couple of points.
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  Speaker 1: One I did see that people hit me on my
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  Speaker 1: demons about that I never knew of you in the past,
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  Speaker 1: not saying nothing negative about you, right, not just like
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  Speaker 1: if you don't know a baseball, you just don't know
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  Speaker 1: a baseball, right. And I heard about that. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: response to it because I didn't know of YouTube be
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  Speaker 1: that way towards me. Right, So people can say things,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna treat you the way you treated me
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  Speaker 1: at that point in time. You don't treat me to
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  Speaker 1: be a racist at all. I'm saying on there, if
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  Speaker 1: you are, I don't think that you are. Of course
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think that you are. So people
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  Speaker 1: have said that I don't know your past, right, Um,
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  Speaker 1: the way I feel about what you said been quite honestly,
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  Speaker 1: it shouldn't even be in the question. Um. The reason
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it isn't questions because there is it
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  Speaker 1: extremely underrepresented people of color within this nation. That's just facts, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so therefore, when I'm in a room of like
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  Speaker 1: twenty beautiful people, I'm the only black guy in this
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  Speaker 1: form him that may come up more times than if
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  Speaker 1: it were if we was twenty black guys. And then
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  Speaker 1: you guys, the only white guy that comes up more
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  Speaker 1: so because that's a it's an easy thing to talk about, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: Ben is the only white guy in here? Right, Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that may be the case, may not be the case.
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  Speaker 1: But then also in Bachelor Nation, I don't know the
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  Speaker 1: demographics of how everything works out, but there, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I would like to see that one day from in
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  Speaker 1: regards to I'm just gonna talk on it. In regards
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  Speaker 1: to me not being the Bachelor because of my race,
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  Speaker 1: I will say that, yes, Peter is half Cuban, He's white, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, and I think his family is beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: But there's that meme going around not I mean there's
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  Speaker 1: a picture going around of all the Bachelor's, right, bachelors,
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  Speaker 1: they could have maybe more white. Yeah, let's be honest,
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  Speaker 1: looking at the presidents, right, looking at the presidents, you know,
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  Speaker 1: until we got the Obama president. Um, if there was
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  Speaker 1: a diverse cast that represented in America as far as
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  Speaker 1: a bachelor, I don't think racism would ever be in question.
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  Speaker 1: But since all four bachelors have been predominantly white, then
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it is a fair thing to bring up.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take one step deeper than because I know Ashley
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  Speaker 1: wants to follow up here a little bit. My apologies. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you did know that that, Like, there's no
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  Speaker 1: apologies here because I want to step one step deeper.
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  Speaker 1: Then here's the question, Mike, So, Rachel Lindsay, I think
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  Speaker 1: was one of the best batchelors we've ever had, just
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  Speaker 1: ass in terms of season of drama, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: She has about half the followers of most bachelottes, so
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  Speaker 1: calling it out well, no, and and so my question
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  Speaker 1: do you, Mike, is if we look at the list,
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  Speaker 1: and we look at the pictures and we say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that needs to change, then how does it change when nobody,
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  Speaker 1: nobody comes out for support. There's a problem there way
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  Speaker 1: beyond the show. So my point is, yes, the show
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  Speaker 1: to do something to fix that. Right, they couldn't name
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  Speaker 1: you the Bachelor, But even beyond the show, the viewers.
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  Speaker 1: The viewers don't respond, which makes me go, there's a
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  Speaker 1: bigger issue here than what any of us want to
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  Speaker 1: point out. There's three things that you hit on. One,
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, back to demographics, I think that people
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  Speaker 1: gravitate to what they are used to write. So I've
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  Speaker 1: asked tons of times. I was in the Air Force,
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  Speaker 1: being overseas and I said to my white friends, Hed,
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  Speaker 1: can you imagine being the only white guy in an airport?
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine that? Ben? Can you imagine that? Actually
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  Speaker 1: that's happened to me tons of times. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: thousands of people in an airport and I'm the only
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  Speaker 1: black guy. Right if I was if I saw another
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  Speaker 1: black person, I'm gonna gravitate towards that person first. Is
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  Speaker 1: that racist or is that just relatability? Right? And so
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  Speaker 1: therefore I'm not going to call out a Batchelor Nation
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  Speaker 1: fans at all if the majority of a Bastel Nation
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  Speaker 1: fans are Caucasians. So therefore, for the ones that may
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  Speaker 1: not be open to it, they're gonna gravitate to what's
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  Speaker 1: natural for them. Literally. And so I always think about
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  Speaker 1: the airport's scenario because most of the people don't here,
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  Speaker 1: probably none of you'll have felt that. I'll call you
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  Speaker 1: all that, right, it's a crazy thing. Yeah, there's twenty
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  Speaker 1: white people in the room, by the way, and that's
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  Speaker 1: the scenario we're talking about, Like you're black, right, and
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, so like for the most part, like you're
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at the room, there's people watching, these people
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  Speaker 1: sitting around. That's the scenario we're sitting in here playing
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  Speaker 1: on Hollywood. It's like it's like if I were to
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  Speaker 1: go to if The Bachelor and Bachelor in Bachelor in
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  Speaker 1: Paradise was not on ABC but on BT. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: right now, right, you may not, you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: you're I was telling there just a second I think
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  Speaker 1: you're awesome. I was saying that behind your back, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad it's that. Say nothing negative. I'm gonna call
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  Speaker 1: you guys out. I think that it's just simply what
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  Speaker 1: we gravitate towards naturally. I don't think there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 1: with that. I am in so in love with the
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  Speaker 1: people that are open to different things, right, and this
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  Speaker 1: goes so far beyond the Bachelor. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: we damn sure it should have had a black Bachelor.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it should have been me.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm a phenomenal man. I said that yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and my mam wad tell me and I know it
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  Speaker 1: to be true. And I don't think that ABC is
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  Speaker 1: wrong for not choosing me at all. I truly don't
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  Speaker 1: feel that way. I think they chose the right person
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  Speaker 1: for what they wanted, right. And I will say, and
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  Speaker 1: I've said this to my homies, I never said it
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  Speaker 1: is publicly. I said that I felt that if I
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  Speaker 1: were to be the Bachelor, the ratings would go down
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but then the next year they will
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  Speaker 1: go up even more because they would have captured new
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  Speaker 1: audience with me. And then I had an old audience
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  Speaker 1: as well, And so I don't I'm not gonna I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna disagree with you, but I don't think it's on
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  Speaker 1: the fans to do that. I think as media rerun America. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I also think that the fans were more in supportive
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  Speaker 1: Mike than Peter. I really do. I think this came
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  Speaker 1: down to the electoral college versus a popular vote. That
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  Speaker 1: was Larry. That's a perfect similary for this. If we
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  Speaker 1: didn't if we did a nationwide popular vote, which I'm
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  Speaker 1: still sometimes confused, No, it wouldn't. I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: would have been Tyler anymore. Sure, Yeah, okay, but I
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  Speaker 1: think that if it were just between you and Peter
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  Speaker 1: for a Bachelor, I think you would have won the
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  Speaker 1: popular vote. But you know, there is that being they
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  Speaker 1: have a storyline that they want to focus on, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that at all. Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 1: do want to go back to just the racist thing
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  Speaker 1: for just a second. I think it's insane how people
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  Speaker 1: can like take me criticizing someone in which we criticize Ben,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's part of the podcast. It would be
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  Speaker 1: really really boring if we were just positive all the time.
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  Speaker 1: We criticized so many contestants, but I criticized Mike, and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's different than when I criticized
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  Speaker 1: Kalen or it's friend than when I criticize Peter being
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  Speaker 1: vanilla but then it's but then it's racist when it's
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  Speaker 1: towards Mike. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the point
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to make, was like, how can you
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  Speaker 1: possibly jump to that conclusions? Like you guys know that
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  Speaker 1: I'm friends with Tasia and Rachel and that's just insane. Man. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So again, I think that goes back to that's the
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: easiest thing to do, right. If we're all white in
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: this room, we would go to something else. Because I'm
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the one black guy in this room. That's something easy
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: to talk on. And like I said, I don't know
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: your past. I'm hoping here not a racist. I'm not
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: saying that you are, right, um, but that is something
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: easy to speak on. It's easy, something easy to go to.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: What you said been earlier was the i G follower
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: account and Rachel for y'all, I haven't seen Rachel in person, Brian,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I know that's she lay. She's a cutie, like straight
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: up like Rachel she's really cutie, and i've I am sadly,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: sadly I know this that I'm the highest, I the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: most followers from Batchel Nation as far as a black
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: male because tastious, significantly lower than people that have had
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: as much screen time. I've had some interesting conversations about it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I'm called yeah, I'm sorry, mom, No, you're fine. I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to bring up one point that I would love
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: to have you guys discussed, and and this is to
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: essentially defend Ashley. Even Tyler spoke about that yesterday when
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I was in New York with him. He Tyler is
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: sexy by far. I don't he twisted, but he was.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: We were talking about something. He was like, um, it's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: just racism. You know. He's uh, he has two point
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: one million. The average black contestant probably has what hundred? Yeah?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: If that, yeah, if that went further than a lot
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: of handful of you with over half a million. But
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to talk about is that if
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's just too I think which is very close.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So one thing is when Ashley criticized you or gave
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: her opinion of you, I actually think it would have
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: been more of a disservice if you did not give
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: your opinion because Mike is black, like if you censored
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: your thoughts, like everyone on the show should be loved
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: or criticized for their whatever their behavior is on the show.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: If you're acting like an as cloon, you're an ask clown,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: which he never has been, right, I know you're not
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: an ask Did you call her luke? Luke? Yeah? We
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: call that all day long. So therefore, and I'm missing
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: me helping you out. Yeah, no, I understand. Give it
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to her now a people, so many white guys, so
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: many girls. You got to because you want to, you
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: know you guys, you know what I mean. It's it's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: just like insane that you'd blame the color of somebody's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: skin for the reason of that. Here's the thing, Uh, Mike,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, Thanks for talking about We have
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with you. Uh. Last than that, Also,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: if there were more black representation, as far as the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: lead may not stick out, this will not stick out out.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And I want to talk to you about that coming
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: up after this break, because we're blazing new trails and
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: bastel nation year by year by year now and I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: think somebody like you is going to be like be
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a game changer if it's on the show or outside
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: of it for a lot of people. But before we
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: do that, let's take one break. We'll come back with
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson on the in depth Jared and my Place
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: is almost done. We can't wait to show you guys
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• 19:37
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• 20:03
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• 20:07
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• 20:10
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• 20:12
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• 23:13
  Speaker 1: got Mike Johnson in Depth podcast. Ashley and Mike have
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: led into a really an incredible conversation about who I mean,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I think at the essence, who we are as humans
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and how we gain support and how we feel accepted
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and how we relate. Mike, I want to and I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: know you have more to say, and I want to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: give you just sometimes just to speak without any any
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: interruptions here. This year, we've seen some huge changes in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Batch nation. We've seen sex openly talked about. Uh. We've
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: seen Demmi uh come out in a in a same
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: sex relationship. And we've seen you more than ever really
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: pushed to be the Batchel and have a legitimate reason
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to be the bachelor. He's his eyes are going, I mean,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: this is something you talked about as well. I don't
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think I ever tried to be a bachelor. No, No,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you should. Like you were right there,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like you're pushing to be the Bachelor. You're in the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: convert station the whole time. Mike, you said something that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: is incredibly brilliant to me, something I've never even thought of.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: You said this this If you were the Bachelor this
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: next season, ratings may have dropped for that season you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: think they might have, but the next season it would
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: have been even greater because of who they would have gained.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: How do we get an audience or how do we
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: just get people in general to rally around new ideas
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and evolve in the way that Batchel Nation needs to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: evolve or just wants to evolve. But there's things restricting it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I think that the people that are in the hands
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that you need to be representative of the people that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you're trying to ascertain. It's just like the Oscars. They
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the people that were writing movies were all like, oh,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: white guys, and they're going to gravitate towards West Nashville
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to them. Right, if you have a diverse group of
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: people that choose who the next lead should be, I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: think you would get more of a diverse outcome. I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: think you said something and I don't want to go
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: back that. It's just it's a powerful, powerful idea that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you would blaze that trail, that the show would have
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice this season of ratings for. It's just my hypothesis, right,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. Like, this's the crazy part. Well,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: we've seen in the Bachelrette. What's happened since Rachel. Ratings
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have never been better. What's happened in the Bachelor since then,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: ratings have never been better. Here's the deal. You told me.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: You just said something before the break. You said if
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I went to Atlanta, nobody would know me. I was
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta last week. Here's the crazy part and what
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I love about the show. If I'm in Atlanta, which
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I was last week, people do know. Not everybody. Well,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that might be different, but I was at the Marriott
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Downtown and people didn't know. And I don't think that happens.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Ten years ago. I will say that m no one
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and my family knew what this show was prior to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: me being on the show. I have friends of every race.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: They knew that what the show was. Um, we have
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to have representation. It's just that simple. I mean, Rachel
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: was a huge push in that. I think I'll be
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I would have been a great push in that as well.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: But in order to be representative of America, we have
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to have a huge push. When I had conversations with
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Um the Hands that Be in regards to being the Bachelor,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I spoke on Eminem, right. I was like, Eminem was
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the you know, he wasn't the first white rapper, but
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: he was like the biggest white rapper, right, And guess
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: what that did for hip hop? He made it even bigger.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: You know what is Serena Williams do for tennis? And
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it made it even bigger? Right, what a tiger would
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: do for golf. These are things I spoke about when
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I was in that meeting. Um, it made I never
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: thought this way. No, No, you're blowing my mind. I've
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: never thought in the way that you're explaining things. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: it's and it's not your fault. I mean, it's just
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: we gravitate to what we know, right, Um, I remember
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I was watching this one podcast. I wish I can
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: call him out because he did such a wonderful job.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: He said, in order for us to intermingle, we have
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: to make sure white people are not scared of us.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And so that's why it was so big of me
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: just to beat me. I'm wearing my dow ragna. I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: gonna say homie instead of friend. I'm gonna use my colloquialism.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be me when on what you've been, when
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: on what you actually as when. I want my homies
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: back home, right. I want you to know me for
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: me instead of me trying to act how I perceive
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you to act right. And I feel like when that happens,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: we feel like we can bond better. And I think
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: that's a big thing as well. I feel like today
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: we are going to get to know you better. That's
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the whole point of the in depth podcast. I want
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to start, like back from where you're from. I know
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you talked a lot about what'd you call it on
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. It was your mom, your grandma, your sister.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Would you call them your queen's So? Yeah, that's cute,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that's cute. Tell us a little bit about your childhood. Um,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: did you grow up in Santancan Antonio? No, I just
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I've been living there since right out there. Left the military,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I moved to San Antonio. I didn't want to move
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: back to Dallas. I'm from Grand Prairie, South Grand Paride specifically. UM,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to move back there, soonly because I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: know the tell you, man, I want to be and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I feel that personally, and this is like you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this is a message. Um, if you graduate high school
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and you stay in your saying neighborhood, I don't think
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that you will amount to the success that you can
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: if you were to move out. That's just my person
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: with you. And I didn't want to move back to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Grand Prairie after I left the military, and so I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: chose San Antonio, came financial advisor, did some Boston you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: tell us about your time in the military. Um, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: was cybersecurity, which is just a nerd job. Um, I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: prevented hacker from hacking into our network. I was stationed
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: over in Portugal, and I would stationed over in England
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: where I met my ex prior to being on TV delay.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: That broke my heart, you know, all that stuff, and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: we move, man, and it broke my heart bad. Y'all.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: People said I didn't cry a matter of fact, wells
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: sit out and cry, and so therefore that's so ignorant.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And therefore I wasn't the Bachelor because I didn't show
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: emotion like that. From where I'm from, we don't. It's not.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I have shown emotion, but it's not. It's not it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: gonna say more than two months for me to show
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that emotion. So you're a slow grower when it comes
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to fall in love. I told hint of that, definitely,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and I think that it's perfectly fine that not everyone
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is the exact same when it comes to how they
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: feel emotionally. So do you think the process would have
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: been okay for you having to in two months if
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you were a bachelor? I think Jojo and Jordan's he
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: just reproposed, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's how things work. I mean,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you find your person. If if you're able to find
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: your person, then you can leave the show together. Colton
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and Cassie aren't married, So you think you would have proposed.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I know I'm getting back into that, but you don't
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: know that. Do you think that you would have proposed
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: if you're the bachelor? If I were to be the Bechel? Yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I'm thirty two years old almost, I legit.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I love love. I really I really want my thunderbuddy.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I really want you know, the sexiest thing. The coolest
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: thing to me is like on a Friday Saturday night
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: when I got my like tibit. I love sleeping naked.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I love being naked in my house. Dean happened to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the friend here, Dean, he doesn't believe in underwear. Neither
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: do I. I'm with it, so I just rather be
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: naked all day. But that's another story, another podcast. But
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the coolest and the sexiest thing to me is like
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: on a Friday Saturday night, you know, being with your
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: mate and like my girl head on my chest, playing
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: a little chest hairs. I love stuff like that. That's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: like legit. I want that. Mike, you you're a man
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: who obviously feels like I can tell right now if
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you could. You are what we want in depth podcast,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the man to sit down and talk about some real stuff,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: dig deep with us and share your heart and your emotions. So,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: what has been the biggest disap wint Mint in the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: last five months of this process for you? Because really
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you've seen your season air in Paradise air all within
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the last sit five to six months. How how has
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it changed you in a good way? And then also
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: how is it how is it kind of pool? I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: think it always changes. Just let me let me put
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: this in the context. I think it always changes this
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: in a in a good way if we're willing to
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: let it. But I also think it really hurts at times,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and there's also some massive disappointments, and it's not always
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the most healthy, but it's still changes us because we
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: learn more about ourselves. What has this last six months
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: been like for you as a human. Well, I'm not
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a tennion unemployee no more. Yeah, that's happening. I'm definitely
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: on my phone more often. Um, you know, I had
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to lead hi my I g for a long time.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Definitely got that back. Um. I think I'll say the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: one cool thing, the positive thing, which is wells your
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: fiance actually said this and I thought it was really awesome.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: She said, going on this show, it's like a relationship
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: boot camp. It's something of that nature. And I think
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it's true. Like I am and have been a very
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: slow two open up because when I opened up, I'm like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I'm really attached. I mean I've had one I brought
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: one woman home in a decade. And it's not because
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I can't, No, you can find a girl because of that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It's just because I'm I'm really I care right, and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: if I open my heart to you, I take that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: stuff incredibly serious. And so I think the positive thing
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: is that I'm able to open up quicker, a whole
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: lot quicker, like on the first day of my baby.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That's what it is. If you ain't with it, you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: know bye. And I'm gonna listen to you as well.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Of course, I'm sorry, I'm like staring at you and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: not you as well. And she doesn't better than you.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You gotta man um. But I think that's the biggest
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: thing is that what well well is your fiance said
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: going on this process definitely is a boot camp for relationships,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm so much quicker to open up and be vulnerable. Um,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not wanting to cry. That's just doesn't have me.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: My ex um, the only love, the only woman I've
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: ever said, I love you too. I didn't cry when
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: we broke up. I cried two and a half years
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: later when she said, I'm sorry, can we talk about
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: her for a little bit? You were together for how long?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Just like almost three years and then you guys, you
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: lost a baby together. What she talked about let's break
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, let's talk about it. Okay, here's what happened.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I think I want to I want to give you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the freedom do this. But our listeners, it's actually what
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I want to, um to put it out there. Emails
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: have been Actually I heard in dot com if you
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: hear my story, you relate with my story, you want
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: you want to follow up whatever? When when we do
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: these in depths, it's actually kind of crazy. We had
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: chumped booth On after his break up with Kalin, and uh,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it was it was hard, like it was like brutal.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: He was emotional to the whole thing. But and I
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: think you'll appreciate this. What the follow up from that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: was incredible, Like the listeners going, I relate, I can
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: feel I'm not alone, And that's what these are really
• 34:09
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• 34:12
  Speaker 1: before we start talking here, I want you to give
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you a second for a break, and let's take a
• 34:15
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• 34:19
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• 36:47
  Speaker 1: We're back with Mike Johnson. Mike, before I kind of
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: rudely interrupted you, but needed to UM just for the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: sake of the podcast. You're gonna share some stuff that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I think our listeners UM will relate with and want
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to hear. UM. I want to give you the freedom,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: just do it. You're you're on your way. The question
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that actually asked was, Hey, you had a pass face
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: of the middle lot to you. UM. During that UH,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: there was a child that was lost and you talked
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: about on The Bachelor at and you're gonna talk about
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it now. Well, I thank you, uh some my X
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and I met over. I just came from a deployment
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and I was stationed at r F leg heath Over
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: in England. And it was the day at the fourth
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: of July two thousand and thirteen, and I I had UM.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I went out that night to the club and I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: spoke to this lady and at like thirty minutes talking
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to her, and she said, hey, you speak to my daughter.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But come to find out, I had already gotten her
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: daughter's phone number. Um. And so I fellas get the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: moms approval first, got you and U uh. The young
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: lady and I we scheduled a date and I no call,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: no showed on the date. Not good, not good at
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: her at all. Um. And it's funny because I remember writing, Uh,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I wrote a letter to God, per se and I said,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I want the hard road up. I wrote a poem,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that's what it was. And it was to no one
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: but God. Because I was twenty five and I had
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: been acting as if I was a rock star, you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: from like a young child to about twenty five years old.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm just done with that. I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: want the sweet things in life. White, you know, put
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: your head on my chest and let's just chill out.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: You know, you burped my face and eat ice cream
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and let's you know, I like it. You seven tones?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: What's up? Um? And so after I know called her
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: no shoulder on the date, you know, we started talking
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And then I was supposed to go. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was supposed to leave the military and go back to America.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And she's very, very prideful, and she is extremely independent.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And I remember putting like the money in it for
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a ticket inside of her shoe, and she says she
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: wanted to go to America with me. I didn't ask
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: her to because that's like a huge to say, hey Ben,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: leave your life and come live with me in Texas, right,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And so she came with me. We had two separate
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: departments just because we had only known each other for
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: three months, and she moved to America with me, and
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I wanted to like marry this woman, so I felt
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that we didn't need to be living together even thought
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: want to marry her, but I wanted to like do
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: with what I felt was the right way. And so
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: then like there's something called tech school. I'm not als
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: every leadership school. I went to that and we moved
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: in together and everything is beautiful, blissful. I got a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: damn cat. I don't even like cats. Sacrificing Sumo Sumo
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Cinnamon Toast. Did you end up loving the cat? Oh?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: He the cat, Sumo, that's his name. He loves me
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: more than her like de serious. I wish you can
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: call him right now. She'll tell the truth. His name
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: is Sumo Cinnamon Toast. He has Mr. Toast is his surname.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And yes, I love Sumo, and we had um we
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: became pregnant, and on the show, I told the truth.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I told Hannah that I wasn't there for the miscarriage,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: but people kind of went off on me. But I
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't get to elaborate because quite honestly,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that's between me my ex. But I'll say, so my
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: ex and I had a miscarriage, and and I ain't
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: gonna do it. So my ex and I had a miscarriage.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And I really try to keep my pinky promises. So actually,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: if I keep it pinky promise with you, I'm gonna
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: keep it, and I'll keep you pinky pinky promise with you,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I'll keep it. The only pinky problems I've never kept
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: my entire thirty one years of life is to my
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: exes mom when she said can I get her some
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: jalapeno poppers from the store. I didn't pick him up.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And I still remember that like to this day. Like
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I was like eight years ago almost and my best
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: friend who lives in England, he was coming to Houston
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and we lived in San Antonio at the time, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I asked my ex fellas message right here about to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: give it to you. I asked my ex baby, can
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I go to Houston for a day and she said yes, Fellas.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: When your ladies say yes, she means no, guy. And
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that lesson at the time, and so
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I left. I literally was gone for maybe maybe thirty hours.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: He came back and I wasn't there for That's what
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I mean by that. The show made it seemed like
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you weren't there for her, like emotionally. No, She'll tell
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you I was there for emotionally and that you just
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: said like I wasn't there currently physically in that moment, Yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: we lost our we lost our child. I was there
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: for when we lost our child, but like through the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: grieving process, which is it. It's a very serious thing.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And I literally was gone left on a Saturday, came
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: back on a Sunday. What Yeah, Mike, I know we're
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: gonna have listeners that relate with this, like this is
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a hunt from a from a supporter's perspective, like your perspective,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and then also from a woman carrying the child. What
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: was the grieving process? Like, if you if you don't
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: mind trying to explain it so that people out there
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: listening to go, yeah, they're there with me. Um, So
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like kind of shaking. I think that, for one,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the grieving process is different for everyone. It doesn't matter
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: your gender. I think it's different for everyone. Um. From
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: my ex I feel that everyone knows I want children,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Like my ultimately go in life is to build my
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: future children at treehouse. Um, more than money, more than
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: it is anything. That's what I want to do. That's
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that's for damn sure gonna happen. And she knew that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and she didn't want to have children, but then we
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: got together. She said, I'll be a great father, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: so she wanted to have kids. And I think that
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing was her not she didn't feel like
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: she was a woman, you know, because she I'm like shaking.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing was she didn't feel like she was
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: good enough for me because she felt as if she
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: couldn't have children. And I want to tell her and
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: everyone else out there that your man loves you, like
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: if you have a miscarriage, I love you, like it's
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it's okay, right, just communicate. And my ex really didn't
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: communicate that to me at all. But also I was
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: an ignorant guy. Guys, we are stupid, sorry then and uh,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: at the time, I wasn't experiencing relationships, and so I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: didn't truly know how to communicate with her either. I
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: literally became a perfect gentleman like and it's annoying. When
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you become a perfect gentleman like, it really is annoying.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And that's what I did. And because I didn't know
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: what else to do. I mean, I'm asking my mom,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: her mom, my grandma, my sister, you know, um, what
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to do um. And it just didn't work. But what
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: she told me two and a half years later, and
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that's when I cried. I broke up with her after
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: like maybe eleven months after, eleve months after Yeah, let's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: before you get there. I just want to say, what
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: did it? What was the relation like between the time
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: that the miscarriage happened in the end, was that was
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that a fact of that affected things? So I think,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: first of all, communications the beast thing. I don't let's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: let's disagree. That's okay, right, let me. I remember telling
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: my ex, um, I said, let's do it feel me. So,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: my ex and I've spoken since the show. Eric. She
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: watched the show and it was a very hard time.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: When that episode aired, I called her, um tone knows
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: this except for the homie, so y'all know this, um So.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I definitely called it and reached out to her, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: it was a sad moment for us. And basically what
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: she told me was she didn't know how to She
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: didn't she know how to talk to me because she
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: felt like she had failed almost And I just looked
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: at her and was like, everything that you go through,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to be there with you. I don't
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: care if you went through the toughest in the world.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I want to be right there with you. And I
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: think so many people need to know that. In a relationship.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: When someone loves you, I don't care what it is.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you I remember joking about this
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to my friends that like when I fall in love,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: if you cheated on me, I'm still donna love you.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I don't fall in love easily, so I'm still gonna
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: love you. Now your has been not cheating on me,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: but like, I'm still in love you. And so I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: think that was a big learning lesson for us. For
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: me because I need to know how to make a
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: good environment for you to feel that comfortable, right, And
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I think for her it needed to be that she
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: can be open and communicated with me and know that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna love her even more because we went through
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: a traumatic experience together in comparison to going through a
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: traumatic experience separately, but the exact same experience. And so
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what happened. We live in We
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: stayed in two separate rooms for a while. Like I said,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I'll sleep naked. That's like the only rule in my house.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: You feel me and no sleep naked, And so we will.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: We will be sleeping naked in bed, but like we
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: want to, I'm gonna cuddle. I'm like I like to cuddle.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: You know, we wouldn't hold each other. That sounds so corny,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: but it's true. We wouldn't hold each other, and we
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: want to have sex. Um. And it wasn't because of religion.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: It wasn't because of we're upstaining from sex. I think
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: she just felt as if it could happen again, that
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: she could become pregnant again, even though she was on
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: birth control. And it was just a lot of mental
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: things going on. And I've learned so much and I
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: love her so much for helping me to grow in
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: that area. And m I actually took classes, like since
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I've been single, like I legit want to be a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: phenomenal husband, and I've taken classes on how to communicate
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: because communication is different than effective communication. Right. Um, I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: can say, Ben, I think you're tall. That's a terrible example.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go further, um, but just communication different
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: than effective communication. And while I was on the bachelorte,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there for her going back to that for
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: like thirty hours max. During that grieving period and uh,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: like shaking, this don't happen to me, feel me, um,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what happened. I broke up with her
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: because communication was nolan void and there will be months
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: where we didn't have sex. And I don't cheat. I
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: refused cheat, and I desired communication and I desired sex
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: quite honestly, So you came back, um man, thanks for
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: sharing that. By the way, thank you just for us here,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: but for the people listening. You've just totally opened your heart.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Ben Are you crying? Yeah, I know, it's just like
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: so emotional. So the thing is, then you get off
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the show, you call her. You guys talked this through
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and you said you cried once in your life when
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: she said she was sorry. What lever that? Now? So
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I've cried three times? Right, You've cried three times in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: your whole life this morning, you know, outside of getting
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: whoopings with my grandma's. So like, as an adult, you've
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: cried three times altogether. I'll cried once when Selena died, Selena.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: When Selena died, it's four or something. I cried. I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: cried on Selena, and then I cried the other two
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: times with my ex. The first time was when I
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: cried tears of joy, Like I don't know if y'all
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: felt that tears of happiness happened. I was with my
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: homeboy in England and he was making us like some
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: sun days, right, and it was me and my ex
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and she was sitting on my lap. Um, and I
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: just broke down just because I was happy. I just
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: felt love. I had my best homie with me, my brother,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and I had my the woman I wanted to marry,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and there was nothing else more one in life. And
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: so I cried. And then the second time I cried
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: was when of two and a half years after we
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: broke up. Um, you know how you try to rekindle
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: things like I was going to ask, right, So we've
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: been broken up like five years now or whatever, almost
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: like two and a half years after she would seeming
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: like one text like four months straight. Oh man, she triffic.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So I go to visit her. I want to visit
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: her like five times. Um. The first time I want
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: to go visit her, we watched a girls trip. She's
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: still living in the States. Yeah, she lives in Arizona. Now.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: In my first off, my grandma, my queen, she pissed
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: me off. It's good for people. My grandma had my
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: exes back, my ex tell my grandma my exlide in
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: my face, I said. She said she talked about doing
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: a job interview, and I said, oh, um, like awesome.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: She's like, I gotta fly to Arizona and like I
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: watered up, and I'm like, you're moving to Arizona and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: she's like, no, just the job interviews in Arizona. I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: knew she was lying, but you know, when you love someone,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you just like you become stupid, right, And my grandma
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: she told my grandma, and my grandma kept that secret
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: from me. So whoever, my future wife is just no,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: you can trust my grandma for sure. And um, what
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: was she played there? Is? What? What? What was the count?
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Took a job? She took a job? Yeah, because like
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you know, when you break up with somebody, let's say
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you meet you and I are together being in uh,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll be the sexy one of our relationship.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: You know, we break check yourself. If we met in
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Vegas and like broke him in Vegas, you know, it
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: maybe hard for whatever, so you might leave that city
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So she decided, you know, I feel it.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I agree with her, and so she moved to Arizona.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: But when I was in Arizona, we had watched girls trip.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: We had a fantastic evening and we're literally on a
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: ride home. I never forget this. We were driving her
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Mini Cooper, which people to have Mini Coopers. I love,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: y'all because it's like a it's like a cult, like
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Mini Cooper Colt and they go fast to it's the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: nerd cult. Hey, it's a dope quote, but disagree anyway.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I don't have a Mini Cooper, but we were. We
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: were just driving. It was perfectly quiet, and then all
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, she just said, I'm sorry, and I
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: could cry now, like tears, just I've never cried so
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: profusely my entire life. And we pulled over on the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: side of the road and I don't know how long
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: we embraced, but the police came first off, talking about racism. Right,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: thank god I was in the passenger seat. Thank god
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: she was. She was crying too, And I mean, just
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: think about that context, right, two people in the car crying.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: It's like one in the morning, two in the morning
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I could have been taken totally different, right,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: But I own a passenger seat, and it please come
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: up and they're like, is everything okay? And she's like, yeah, whatever.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: So they left, but like it was, I cried, like
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: straight up crazy tears. I mean, never before ever felt that.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And I am an emotional person. But I'm sorry that.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not sorry because I'm not gonna just fall for anybody.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: My love is deep. He felt what. I don't think
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it's get sick of it, you said. I just felt that.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: So I cried, But I don't know what it is
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that I felt closure. Okay, I felt that. You know,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to. I don't care. I
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: was a damn good dude in that relationship, and I
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: was like when we broke up. When I broke up
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: with her, I didn't work for ten months, Like I
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: didn't leave my house except for one day a week
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: two get groceries, like I grew my hair out, like
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: my hair was long. Um, I didn't leave my house.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I got super skinny. Um. I think two people came
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to visit me in that ten months frame. Literally, I
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I was a prisoner of like this. I never said
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: this to anybody outside of Holmies. Right. Um, when we
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: broke up, I legit ten months was in my apartment
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: and I was financially blessed, and so I just paid
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: my bills came out and I just my TV was
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: not on. I wake up, going the living room and
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: sit on the couch and just be, Um, you broke
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: up with her. I'm not following. Yeah, but I broke
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: up with her. I think that she ain't gonna happy.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I said this, but I think that she wanted me
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: to break up with her. Um. But I'm gonna take
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the blame and just say I broke over her on
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: my own volition. Um for the reason I spoke up earlier,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: which were we weren't having sex months only at a time,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and there was absolutely zero communication. And she said I
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: was perfect, and I'm like, I'm not perfect. So she
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: was say, you're really good. I'm like, what the hell
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: is the problem? And she couldn't answer, So I kinda
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I gave her ultimatum, which is the terrible thing to do.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Learn that lesson as well. And but yeah, so when
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: we broke up, I had I was at Malley lower
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: her like, she's the only woman in a decade, bro
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: that's met my mom, right in a decade, and you know,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I'm about to be thirty two. Hasn't no one other know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: other woman's met my mom since I was twenty years old,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and so for whoever you know, I'm in a relationship.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Next and you mean my mom. That's when I take
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that very seriously. My sister and my grandma as well,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and my father too, And so yeah, I didn't. I
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: literally was growing out my hair and my hair was nappy.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I was like grizzly faced. Um didn't work when I
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: went back to the when I went back to the workforce,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I after the interview, I ran outside and threw up
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: because I hadn't been around people like you see my
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: personal I don't give a damn right, but like I
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: hadn't been around people, so I was that I was
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: like isolated from life. I was basically a prisoner of
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: my own depression. How concerned were the queens during this time? Um?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: So I text, right, I'm not I don't really, this
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: is something I'm working. This is one of my goals
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: in life, just to be a better at calling. Like
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I text my mom like a few days ago, I
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: was like, Mom, I'm in l A. I'm gonna go
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to New York time. I want to Vegas. So she
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: knows where I'm at, Like, but my my family knows.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not one to I mean, I was in the military,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I was living overseas for like five years. I'm I'm
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: not want to call you every day, Unles, You're my girl.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: That's just my personality. So my Queen's I would text him,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: but I would probably I probably lied and said I'm good,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you know, prideful, stupid. Two things here. One is it
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: amazes me every time. Here's here's another part of why
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: In Depth started. Because when you hear somebody's stories, you
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: can't help but love them, right. I mean, it's just
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's a universal statement that I think everybody could
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: take the heart. Once you know somebody's stories, you can't
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: help but love them because you know them. Um, it's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: makes sense to me more than ever. I liked you
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: because you were the good looking, offinite dude who was
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: himself on the Bachelorette. I love you now because of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: the pain and shared suffering that we've had together on
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: this podcast. The things that you said that I can
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: relate with, the things that you said that I can't
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: relate with yet it can. It can teach me, And
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense and ever why Bachelor
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Nation is so drawn to you as just a human black,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: white male female, just as a human man. You've been
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: through some stuff that's led you to this point now,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and the difference you're gonna make in this world is
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: something that I'm so pumped to follow and be watch
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and watch. Um, Mike, I want to just thank you
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: from the depths of my heart, like the as best
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I can to say thanks for sharing yourself and and
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: on behalf of the listeners out there thank you as well,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: because I know somebody's gonna listen to this to be
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: like that's me. Um. I want to switch gears here
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: if that's okay with you, and talk about your current
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: dating life. And then Ashley always does this thing at
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: the end of every in depth podcast, which is a
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: rapid fire fun questions that she loved. But before we do,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I want to sit in this moment for a second, Mike,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to just overpass it and say
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, man, thank you. And can I just
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: say that from first impression to a very deep impression,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I am now very I don't want to
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: offend Peter, but like it's upsetting that we don't get
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: to see more of you on the show because we
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: have just gotten to know you so well and like
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: you're so soulful and you're such a romantic and I've
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: just been captivated by you today. Hey, the Bachelor is
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: not the last last thing I know, but like now
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it's like we all get it. If if this was
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: aired and we had fans listening to this before, they decided,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: like they'd be getting very angry emails, like more than
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: they are right now. All right again, if you're listening
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and you just want a friend uh to hear you
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: out emails have been Ashley, I heard me dot com,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: hashtag almost famous podcast, um, or just hit up Mike
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Johnson on some social media platform and say thank you
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: because we know you're listening. Uh, I can't say something
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: so like, um, I learned about self love and the
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: power of that because and winning a relationship. I can't
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: help you with your loving of yourself, and so I
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: learned that in previous relationships. And so for all the listeners.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: If you're having anything in regards to body positivity or
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: just loving yourself or just growing your confidence, or why
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: does Mike always smile out of goddamn time? I want
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to do that more often. Hit me up. I got you.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I'm working on something for that too. You got it, buddy. Hey,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: thanks Mike. We'll be back with Mike after the break. UM,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: lightening up a bit talking about current name relationships and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: some wild rapid fire questions UM that I don't think
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: will cause controversy, but they will cause laughs. Take a break.
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  Speaker 1: even though I do believe that our listeners are going
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  Speaker 1: to eat up every single word that you've said, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, just let it go and sink to their hearts,
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  Speaker 1: I do think in the back of their minds somewhere
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: they're like, I cannot believe that they have teased the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Demilovano thing, and they've waited, We've waited this long to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: get the answer. But it would be so inappurpose to ask,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: like in the midst of all that seriousness, Um, okay,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: so you are pretty honest with entertainment tonight recently that
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: you did you have gone on a date with Demi.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I think you've hung out multiple times. You got on
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: one day, we've gone on one day o um. And
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: it all started with d M S right um, which
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: is totally fine. We're so supportive of this. We've been talked. Yeah,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: we've talked, you know, racism, we talk we've talked, we've
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: talked sex, and now we talked about bad Yeah. Maybe
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: well open here you said, Demi and I want a date.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: That woman is quite astounding and amazing, and that's all
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I'll say. You're getting to know each other, you say,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and that you think she's incredibly humble, and when Demi
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and I are together, it's laughter. And we talked real like.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: She's a down to earth woman and I respected so much.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And she's just really humble and really cool and really
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: on and really down to earth. Is there anything to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: add to that list of compliments. I like her tattoos.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: We both have a lot of tattoos. Dean has more
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: than me. And she kisses really well. Thanks for giving
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: us that has she put her head on your chest
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: and play with the little hairs. I'm not gonna say that,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: you're going I'm gonna catch it. Keep coming out up
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: so I mean, no matter what, like that Me's a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: great girl. In fact she is. I'm getting to know
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: her for her. How did you like the way that
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: she was so um she was kind of the aggressor
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: in a in a nice way on Instagram she was
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: all about going after you. How did you feel about
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the girl making the first move like that for one
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: of them? All about her too? And uh, she definitely
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: was the aggressor, you know. I find it incredibly sexy.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I love that, like, come at me, you want me,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: come at me. If I want you, I'm come at you,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm coming at her as well. I really liked
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: this coupling. I really really do you call this? I
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: learned this shipping shipping. We definitely shipped this shipping. I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: don't know what shipping was until like this, I'm learning
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and shipping. We're shipping this thing, all right. So I'm
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: gonna go into our rapid fire questioning from there because
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I got some Demi related ones. So actually pull that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: up real quick, Mike. I want to ask you a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: question that I told you. I want to get try
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: to get deep again, but I do think it's weird.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: So you are in the Demi Demi you. You're dating.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: It's great, you're both in the public eye, you're both
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: beloved by America. Mike, what is the feeling to have
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: everybody asked about it then like it was and we're
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: one of those people, like I want to know about
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: this because of the rumors and the taboys everything going off.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: What does it feel like to you? Because it's real
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: for you? Astounding question. Um, be quite honest, I personally
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: don't like it. I I am very private with my relationships,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: like straight up, but I mean I'm in this. She's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: been in this light and that's why I said, she's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: so humble and I think the world of her because
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: like she's been able to have to deal with this
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: crap like I can't even imagine from her perspective, from
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: your fiancee's perspective as well. Just put crazy you're putting
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: out else. Um, I personally don't care to talk about
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you know what I do behind closed doors. I'm a gentleman.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna kiss until I might not be a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: gentleman of her always. But actually said earlier, Mike's is
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: sexy when and I'm not well that forms like that
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: that I made that I can't imagine could we go
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: out of your mouth? It? Yeah? What what it scares
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: me honestly, and what scares me about it is that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: if de Me and I were not to become boyfriend girlfriend, right, Um,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: how people perceive that, which, honestly I shouldn't give two
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: about it, right, Um, no dispect to my you know
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: people that follow us, Um, but that it scared me
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: for that reason, being quite transparent. She's a woman that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I treat like a regular individual. I'm a man and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: she treats like a regular man. And we do like
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: each other and we are getting to know each other.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: But what if it were not meant to be? Then
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: like people are going to speculate, Oh this is that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: in the third right, and so I would rather not
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: have that. But at the same time, I'm gonna be
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: smooth criminal when I walk through this path and we
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: start our rapid fire with what is your favorite Demi
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: of song? Um? Were you familiar with their music? Before
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I'll say I'll say it straight up, Um, me and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: my homies we have not listened to a lot of
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Demi Levato songs. And it's not because of her, it's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: just because of the genre that's not our go to genre. Okay,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: well you can let her know that, um, I was
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: the creep that went to seven a Cambrock tour concerts.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I will tell you. I will tell you that I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: have listened to obviously a lot more of her songs now,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: and you gotta like, I'm not gonna go further. Sorry,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: not sorry, I know, sorry, not sorry. You gotta like, like,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's got no sorry not sorry. I could
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: sing it in my head right now that we could
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: power ballad. I need to hear Scott, but sorry, not sorry.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: It brings about what Scott Scraper does it mean? I'll
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: be honest, and I think that's why we like each other,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: because we treat each other like you know, and you're
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: learning about each other. It's all like you automatically know
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: all these things about it. You'll be kind of weird
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: if I was, like, you know, how cam is, how
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: he'd be knowing about everybody? If I always became yeah,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: like if I knew everything about her, it would be
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: kind of creepy. It would never work. What is your
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: most meaningful tattoo? This whole left arm. Because it's going
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: to be just one piece, it means so many different things.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: It basically representation of what life is to me. I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: guess my most meaningful one would be brief life. That's
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: my motto. Brief life to me means, uh, I can
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: say a joke about it. Firstly, it's not done, bro
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: is what it's done. But it's as chilling, so it
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: looks ugly. But brief life to me means live like
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: to the fullest. Um, the only easy day was yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, just go out there and get it. Shut up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to like hammer at homes, but on
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  Speaker 1: my list, I said, what is your favorite tattoo of demis?
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  Speaker 1: But you don't have to respond. I'm not gonna respond.
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  Speaker 1: I like to breathe life. That hit me, hit my soul.
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  Speaker 1: I do know what my favorite tattoo of hers is
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  Speaker 1: hers is, but I won't say it. That's sweet too.
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  Speaker 1: We just like hearing that. Um, what's your favorite movie?
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  Speaker 1: On the plane ride from San Antonio here, I just
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  Speaker 1: watched Casino again, like old gangster movies. I love Yo
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  Speaker 1: Appuccino Dude is like Robert de Niro. They're freaking terrific
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  Speaker 1: that they're coming out with a new mode. Yes, and
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  Speaker 1: I cannot wait come out later this year. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: apparently they're like digitizing their faces like younger because they
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  Speaker 1: do that with a Will Smith movie as well. Gemini
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  Speaker 1: shout out the Gemini, you know, make sure you pay
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  Speaker 1: them and almost famous for that shout out. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have one more shout out if you're on the next
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  Speaker 1: plane ride. Um, my favorite movie, because you asked, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: and I should answer, because that's just I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I like I need to is the biggest little
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  Speaker 1: farm on all Delta flights? Amazing movie. I've seen it.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen it. Mike. You want to cry for the
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  Speaker 1: fourth time in your life watching Fairy Show right now?
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  Speaker 1: Power though Power favorite? Never heard of It wasn't on
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  Speaker 1: Power is Amazing, It's on Showtime. Okay. Your favorite band
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  Speaker 1: music artists? My favorite musical artist. So I asked this
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  Speaker 1: question the other day. If you got to kill three
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  Speaker 1: of these people, well we got to kill one, and
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  Speaker 1: out of three of these, who would you kill Drake,
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  Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar or j Cole. That's easy for me, but
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  Speaker 1: I can't answer. Can we say, like we see one
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  Speaker 1: of them has to go out of the room. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to kill him. They have to go. Drake easy,
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  Speaker 1: Drake easy easy. I think that. But Drake makes songs
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  Speaker 1: bro like, he can make songs that never been bigger.
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  Speaker 1: With J Cole is playing on my ear. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: be deep when you wouldn't listen to J Cole. You
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  Speaker 1: can't be like happy, go lucky all the time with
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  Speaker 1: J Cole and Kendrick. Yeah, I think that Drake has more.
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  Speaker 1: He's more versatile, even though in that list, Kendrick is
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  Speaker 1: my favorite because he does like who who would you send? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a hard one home. That's why the bottom line
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  Speaker 1: is those are his three artists. No, no, my favorite
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  Speaker 1: artists right now outside of Demi is going to be
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  Speaker 1: uh Sabrina Claudio. I think she's amazing her, She's amazing. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I like my girl named, I like like R and B,
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  Speaker 1: like these new R and B artists like Janine and
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  Speaker 1: the mixtape. She go hard, like I'll pull out my
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  Speaker 1: phone right now. Alabama shakes, they go hard. You guys
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  Speaker 1: add this to your Spotify. What was the most embarrassing
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  Speaker 1: moment of your life? You don't have to get deep
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  Speaker 1: here so many times, like I'm I just thought it
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  Speaker 1: was the most embarrassing. My sister had um for me
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  Speaker 1: put my my pants failed in Oh, I was on
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  Speaker 1: a date. I'll say this. When I was on a
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: date and um, my car didn't started. Like we went
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  Speaker 1: to a gas station and like my card and start up.
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  Speaker 1: No more but see ID smooth though, So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I was like beaging my card and I told her.
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  Speaker 1: I told her, unstroke the card and started. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's go for a walk. That's cute. My last
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  Speaker 1: question because I'm I'm being told that we need to
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  Speaker 1: wrap it up. What is the first thing you notice
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  Speaker 1: about a woman that draws you to her? Two different questions. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what is the first thing? There? They are, Okay, tell
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  Speaker 1: them both. Okay, the first thing that the first thing
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  Speaker 1: that I noticed about a woman. So like, when we're
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  Speaker 1: in paradise, if you got your feet out, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: look at your feet, your feet that I'm so glad
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  Speaker 1: I asked this question because that is truly a unique answer, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't think it is, you've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of toast. No, I am not a toe sucker, I
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: be I am. I'm definitely a freaking in bedroom. But
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: toasucking I've never done. Okay, I don't know I do.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Oh god, I just think no, But
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  Speaker 1: what drawing me to a woman is like what Demi did,
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  Speaker 1: and that confidence and that sessionist and just speaking is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I knew. So this is what I love about Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: I knew that she would know some Demilvado songs like
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  Speaker 1: even without even copy for this, and that she could
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: literally prep them into the conversation like this, like I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: love a confident woman, and she sings the Confidence song
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: by the bot She's confident. I love it. Actually, anything else, um,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, the feat thing is really funny. My sister
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: was convinced that Jared um wasn't with me for two
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  Speaker 1: and a half years because of my Bunnians. Wait till
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: you take a look at my feet tomorrow on the hills.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. Hey, Mike, we'd love you, man, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much. I promise you, bud uh just we really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you and I want you to feel that. Tonight,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: let's celebrate here at the Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas
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  Speaker 1: at I Heart Music Festival to That's nineteen Mike, Thanks
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  Speaker 1: a lot, man, Let's do it. Everybody. Make sure you
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: make some smiles today. Honestly, what a wonderful experience. This
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: has been Hey, thank you playing on Hollywood, and thank
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: you shake shack for dinner. It's tasty. Oh yeah, actually
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I had breakfast shake shack this morning at the airport.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: It's a day of shake Shack. It's a day of
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Planet Hollywood. Diana has his mustache back and just saying, hey,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: make sure if you guys are interested, because everybody's freaking
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  Speaker 1: or the shaik You should you should like dance when
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: you say the shack out. I kind of feel like, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: follow our lead, Mike. We do this every time I've
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: been I've been Ashley, I've been Mike Johnson. That's right, buddy,
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