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The Secrets Behind Netball's Hall of Fame, Liz's Emotional Phone Call & a Dance Floor Disaster · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: Susie Steamboat, you're so fine. Grant the wish I wish tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Tinker Taylor, what you got? Wheels on the bus are
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  Speaker 1: falling off. Pretty maids all in a row. Yes, sir. Fuck,
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  Speaker 1: I can't read this. This is more nickelback. And this
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  Speaker 1: is apparently what I'm in for in October of next year.
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  Speaker 1: Send help, Dribblers. You're on No Dribble. Strap in!
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to No Dribble, the podcast where I
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm about to have to do something I
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  Speaker 2: really don't want to do.
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  Speaker 1: My name's Carolyn Swindell.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Liz Ellis, and man, I liked Nickelback, but when
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  Speaker 3: you start looking at their lyrics, it's a bit like,
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  Speaker 3: what do I like?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not sure. Like, you don't want to look
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  Speaker 1: at any lyrics, though, do you, really? Like, if you
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  Speaker 1: look too closely at them, particularly like anything that's come
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  Speaker 1: out more than 30 years ago, it's like, oh, that's inappropriate, guys.
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  Speaker 1: You can't be saying that anymore. But I love REM
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  Speaker 1: and it makes no sense. So much of it just
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  Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense. And you're just singing along happily.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not until one of your kids looks at
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  Speaker 1: you and says, what is that? That it's like a.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Although, you know, when I was at school, we
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  Speaker 3: did a phase in English where we analysed Bruce Springsteen's song.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, great.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. They are poetry, right? Particularly when he was in
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  Speaker 3: that phase of writing the great American ballad, like such.
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  Speaker 3: So I think his songs stand up to scrutiny, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that there's a lot after him where
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  Speaker 3: the songs stand up.
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  Speaker 1: That's such great education, isn't it? To go, so this was,
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  Speaker 1: you were in high school in the very late 80s,
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  Speaker 1: maybe early 90s. So born in the USA, I reckon
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  Speaker 1: came out in 1984. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it was great because it actually allowed us to
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  Speaker 3: peg what things that he was talking about back to
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  Speaker 3: historical events, you know, like the Vietnam war and the
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  Speaker 3: collapse of certain industries in the United States. And it
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  Speaker 3: was such an interesting way to teach us about the
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  Speaker 3: relevance of history to how music is formed. It was fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, funny.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that Nickelback's ever popped up in that.
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  Speaker 1: So I think when we're talking like the importance of
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  Speaker 1: art in capturing the emotion of people at a particular
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  Speaker 1: time too and reflecting on it, again, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: Nickelback's got any of it, but I will say I've
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  Speaker 1: just pulled up here. The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonight, which is
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  Speaker 1: an REM song. And it is nonsense. Baby instant soup
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really grab me. Today I need something more sub, sub, substantial.
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  Speaker 1: A can of beans or black-eyed peas, some Nescafe and ice,
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  Speaker 1: a candy bar, a falling star, or a reading from Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Seuss. It's like, look.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, sure. That's just writing down shit that's happened for
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  Speaker 1: you today. Let me get a candy bar and a
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  Speaker 1: nice cafe.
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  Speaker 3: Well, have you seen like some of the Instagram pages
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  Speaker 3: where people put their text messages into songs? You know,
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  Speaker 3: the most famous one recently was that woman who put
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  Speaker 3: the text messages between, on a WhatsApp group between women
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  Speaker 3: about school boxes.
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  Speaker 1: And About lunchboxes?
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  Speaker 3: About lunchboxes, right, yeah, about what the kids would put,
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  Speaker 3: about the Oreos in the lunchboxes. And I couldn't figure
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  Speaker 3: out why that worked. And now I get it because
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  Speaker 3: as long as you've got a catchy tune and like
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  Speaker 3: you don't need to have deeply meaningful song.
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  Speaker 1: Lyrics, right? No, apparently not at all. But, you know, again- Nickelback,
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  Speaker 1: don't take that as career advice. Maybe, I guess the money,
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  Speaker 1: the residuals from Photograph and their other song, which is it?
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  Speaker 1: This Is How You Remind Me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, This Is How You Remind Me.
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  Speaker 1: It's not enough. They're going on tour again. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll see the big hits. But I often
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  Speaker 3: argue that, you know, the 80s were the high point
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  Speaker 3: of music and everything else since the 80s and maybe
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  Speaker 3: early 90s sort of indie has been downhill. But then
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  Speaker 3: I think about that Take On Me song. Sorry, that
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  Speaker 3: Aha song, Take On Me. That's the lyrics. Take on me,
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  Speaker 3: take me on. I'm surprised I didn't go on me, take.
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  Speaker 3: like just to get all of the combinations in there
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  Speaker 3: it's not.
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  Speaker 1: So when lewis was in his last year of primary
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  Speaker 1: school the school band he was in and he's an
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  Speaker 1: alto saxophonist so he the school band they were doing
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  Speaker 1: take on me so We heard a lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: And because it's the alto sax, he was playing the
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  Speaker 1: melody of it. So I've got a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: PTSD with Take On Me, even though it actually did
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  Speaker 1: come out. You know, there are studies that the music
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  Speaker 1: that is around when you're 13, 14, 15, that is
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  Speaker 1: your music for your life. So that's why we're saying
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  Speaker 1: that 80s is the best music ever, because it's like
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  Speaker 1: you were What, 80, 85, 86, 87?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then my kids listen to like 80s music.
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  Speaker 3: If you listen to my daughter's playlist, there's heaps of
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  Speaker 3: 80s music. So I think I'm not the only one
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  Speaker 3: who thinks this.
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  Speaker 1: But I wonder how much streaming changes that. So for us,
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  Speaker 1: we only had the radio. like we had less choice.
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  Speaker 1: So you bought an album and you listened to the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing or you listened to what was on the radio.
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  Speaker 1: So by and large, it was the music that was
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  Speaker 1: popular at that time. And you might listen to your parents'
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  Speaker 1: records or whatever. But now with streaming, the kids have
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  Speaker 1: got so much, like Lewis will quite often be listening
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  Speaker 1: to a song that I go, how have you even
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  Speaker 1: heard about that? That's a song from my, that's my
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  Speaker 1: generation there and it's not something that we've been playing.
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  Speaker 1: But I wonder how much that will change the psychology of,
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  Speaker 1: Because no one's really listening to albums so much anymore.
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  Speaker 1: They're not releasing albums. They release sort of three or
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  Speaker 1: four songs at a time.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but the concept album is dead. You know, like
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  Speaker 3: David Bowie releasing, what was the name of that album?
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  Speaker 1: Was it Space Odyssey?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right. So yeah, so it's like the concept album,
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  Speaker 3: which is telling a story from.
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  Speaker 1: The first track to the last.
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  Speaker 3: Who listens to an album anymore?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Life of a Showgirl was a bit like that,
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  Speaker 1: but now Taylor Swift has just released a few songs
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  Speaker 1: that apparently are part of that album. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I own the physical album. I bought it last year.
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  Speaker 1: Did you? Yeah, we got a record player about two
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  Speaker 1: years ago and I love it and I love the
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  Speaker 1: ritual of playing an album. I love the ritual of
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  Speaker 1: giving albums and receiving albums as a gift. But, yeah, it's...
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  Speaker 1: And it's interesting, maybe there is something of that coming
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  Speaker 1: back into it. But so much of the music that
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  Speaker 1: I love are things just like the crazy B-sides or
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  Speaker 1: something that's buried in an album that just meant something
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  Speaker 1: to you at that time in your life. And yeah, interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of art, though, and the importance of it, I
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  Speaker 1: had a wonderful experience this morning This Saturday night I
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  Speaker 1: was meant to be driving to Wyong to do a gig,
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  Speaker 1: which I was excited about. I was going to be
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  Speaker 1: emcee of it, but they've cancelled it because they haven't
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  Speaker 1: sold enough tickets. And so I had that beautiful moment
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  Speaker 1: of getting an email when I got back from the
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  Speaker 1: gym of giving me a Saturday night. That's so good. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's joy. I can just be at home. And I've
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  Speaker 1: just had a weekend largely at home. thinking I'm going
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  Speaker 1: into an incredibly busy period where every weekend I'm working.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a lot of deadlines. I've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of great things coming up, but it's like, this is
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  Speaker 1: my last weekend at home before sort of about December.
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  Speaker 1: And now I've got this weekend coming up.
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  Speaker 3: That is such a gift. That's so good. I thought
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  Speaker 3: I had this weekend clear, but then my daughter informed
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  Speaker 3: me that she's going to go and play in the
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  Speaker 3: Byron Bay Sevens on the weekend. So, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: your weekend can turn on a dime. You get an
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  Speaker 3: email and you get it back. And I got a
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  Speaker 3: text message and I, and This is while she was
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  Speaker 3: coming back from Mudgee playing state champs, rugby sevens. I'm like, mate,
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  Speaker 3: like I had to get up this morning at half
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  Speaker 3: past two and drive down to the local BP on
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  Speaker 3: the highway to get her off the bus.
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  Speaker 1: Half past two?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they came from Mudgee, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So we live 10 hours away from there. But if
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  Speaker 3: you're on a bus with a lot of teenagers, you
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  Speaker 3: need to stop and do things. And then on the
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  Speaker 3: way back, she's like, oh, by the way, the Byron
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  Speaker 3: Bay sevens are on this weekend on plane. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there goes my weekend. And then I did look
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  Speaker 3: in my diary and went, well, there's also a cricket
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  Speaker 3: rep thing and a basketball rep thing and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Again, though, we talked about this the other day. So
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  Speaker 1: Saturday sport's over for Lewis now. Oh. Yeah. What are
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  Speaker 1: you going to do.
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  Speaker 3: When both your kids have finished Saturday sport?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm hoping that once we get past
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  Speaker 1: HSC and the summer of mania, and I remember with
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  Speaker 1: both Pete's older girls who are 30 and 28, for
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  Speaker 1: both of them when they turned 18, they turned 18
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  Speaker 1: at the end of school for both of them. But
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  Speaker 1: so that period between finishing school, the next six months,
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  Speaker 1: white knuckle ride of, are they safe? They're out all
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  Speaker 1: the time. They're partying, they're coming home late. Where are they?
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  Speaker 1: And then for both of them at about the six
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  Speaker 1: month mark, it's like, I'm sick of being poor. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sick of being tired. It's kind of the same thing
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  Speaker 1: over and over. And then it's sort of settled back
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  Speaker 1: into it. So what I'm hoping is in six months time,
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  Speaker 1: we will be back playing some level of sport. And
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  Speaker 1: obviously he doesn't need us to drive to it or
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  Speaker 1: whatever anymore. And it might not even be competition, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm very much hoping that team sport is not finished
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  Speaker 1: for him just because school has finished. Like I think
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  Speaker 1: basketball might be the main contender for that. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's such an easy social game, but What will I do?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but we're back to Saturday sport again
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  Speaker 1: for Dot this week because she's back to school. So
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of like a, oh, wow, it ends really fast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm not ready. I'm ready to whinge about
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  Speaker 3: having to go over the weekend, but maybe I'm not
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  Speaker 3: ready for it to finish.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a little bit of time.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit of time left. Our social netball starts tonight,
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  Speaker 3: so that will keep me.
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  Speaker 1: For you playing again?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. The name of my team is the Rookies.
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  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER Well, what's the experience level of the other teams
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  Speaker 1: you're playing against then if you guys are the rookies,
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  Speaker 1: if you're the rookie?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look, I think I did come into the team.
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  Speaker 3: The team already had this name and I just came
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  Speaker 3: into it and I've wrecked everything. I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 3: a bit of fun. It's twilight. I might wear a
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  Speaker 3: tutu just because I can. Fantastic.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I did see one of the dribblers put a call
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  Speaker 1: out recently for a Masters Games that they were looking
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: for an over 50 woman to play goalkeeper for them.
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  Speaker 1: And there was some talk about, well, wouldn't this be
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: great for Liz Ellis? But I know you were silent
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  Speaker 1: on that one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nah, there is a limit.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: I know we were talking about potentially doing Masters next
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: year and I was keen, this might be the release
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: that you guys need because my meniscus is buggered again
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm back into my intense rehab phase. So my.
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  Speaker 1: I might be going back into the management role for
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: that team and it's just you and your ex-Swifts players.
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, hello. It's Matthew bringing me a coffee. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, how good. Evening all. That might be evening all
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  Speaker 1: might be a reflection too that he thinks you've been
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  Speaker 1: working for long enough on this morning. Yeah, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. We ran out of beans this morning
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  Speaker 3: so I had to go into town to get some
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  Speaker 3: and now I have a coffee and my headache will
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  Speaker 3: go away.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, good man, good man. Yeah, but that gig being
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  Speaker 1: cancelled is wonderful. I never have FOMO. I only have JOMO,
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  Speaker 1: the joy of missing out. JOMO. I'm so pumped.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, JOMO. All right, we should take a little break
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  Speaker 1: and come back and talk about some netball. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, so we saw Laura Geitz
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  Speaker 1: has been named. She has also been. So the 30th
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  Speaker 1: of October, that's not the induction, that's the celebration. So
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: when someone gets named in the Hall of Fame, they
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: are in the Hall of Fame then. Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was Catherine's going to be inducted into
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but she's actually already been inducted
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  Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I don't read press releases that
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  Speaker 3: carefully to actually look at the semantics. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the actual ceremony was the induction because she'll
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  Speaker 3: get like a plaque and there'll be someone there to
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  Speaker 3: induct her into the Hall of Fame. So maybe, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know?
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  Speaker 3: How would I know? It's not like I've got anything
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  Speaker 3: to do with it much.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to know. So tell us about
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  Speaker 1: when you were inducted into the Hall of Fame or
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: the big You know, let's set the word inducted out
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  Speaker 1: of it. But your Hall of Fame celebration night, what
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  Speaker 1: happened then? And you said someone inducts you or otherwise? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So basically whoever is emceeing the Netball Australia Awards and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it can be Catherine this year because– Well,
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  Speaker 3: she's part of the show.
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  Speaker 1: She's otherwise occupied.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Last year it was Sarah Jones from Fox who
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  Speaker 3: did a fantastic job. So I don't know who will
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  Speaker 3: do it again this year, whether it will be Sarah.
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  Speaker 3: And she's a great supporter of Netball, so it's always
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  Speaker 3: great to see her. So essentially it is Sarah will
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  Speaker 3: read out a citation about all of Catherine's achievements. There
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  Speaker 3: is a video played, you know, of some highlights of
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  Speaker 3: Catherine's career. And then Catherine comes up for an interview
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  Speaker 3: and she receives a plaque to say you're in the
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. And if I had prepared at all,
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: I would have found my Hall of Fame I think
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: it is. Do you want me to get it off
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  Speaker 3: my wall? I'll bring it down. Yes, please. Hopefully you
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: have to watch this part on YouTube, all right? Hang on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We get to see what she wears underneath the
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: desk too. It looks like exercise tights there and she
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: can't hear me at the moment because she doesn't have
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: headphones on. Yeah. But, yeah, it looks like that might be,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether that's fencing gear or exercise gear.
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  Speaker 1: So I was just saying that in you getting up
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: and walking away from the desk, we get to see
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  Speaker 1: what you're wearing from the waist down. So you've got
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  Speaker 1: a classic newsreel. So they look like exercise tights.
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  Speaker 3: Have you been? No, I'm going to. I will go
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  Speaker 3: out and do some weights after I've finished this.
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  Speaker 1: Best thing for women over 50 to do, lift weights.
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  Speaker 3: I invested in a little gym for my kids. I'm
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: just wiping the gecko poo off this because there are
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: geckos in my house, which is, don't tell Catherine. They
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: freak her out, but everything freaks her out because anyway,
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: she's in Tokyo. She's not even here. So this is,
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: you get like a, I don't know if you can
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  Speaker 3: see that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, that's good. Yep. You might have to point
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  Speaker 1: it out to us. So over on the right is
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  Speaker 1: a black panel. Is that just decorative?
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  Speaker 3: No, I'll read that to you. And this is probably,
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  Speaker 3: this is actually good information. Membership of the Australian Netball
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame represents the highest honour bestowed on an
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  Speaker 3: individual for their outstanding contribution to the sport of netball.
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  Speaker 3: Established in 2008, the Australian Netball Hall of Fame recognises
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  Speaker 3: outstanding achievement both on and off the court. An illustrious
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  Speaker 3: group of the sport's most respected and celebrated champions have
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  Speaker 3: been honoured each having made a significant contribution to Australian
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  Speaker 3: netball and achieved excellence at the highest level. The Australian
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  Speaker 3: Netball Hall of Fame features two membership categories, athlete members
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  Speaker 3: who have competed at the highest level and general members
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  Speaker 3: for outstanding achievement in excellence in support roles. So that
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: might be coaches, physios, medical staff. Grace Bryant is a
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: member of the Hall of Fame. So this year there
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: were three women inducted into the Netball Australia Hall of Fame. Coxie,
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: no dribble zone, Kath Cox, Laura Geitz, who was the diamond.
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  Speaker 1: Who we found out on the weekend. That's exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, was super exciting. So one at each end of
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  Speaker 3: the court, which is great. And obviously their careers overlapped.
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  Speaker 3: But the third woman is Cheryl Sidebottom from Western Australia.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to tell you a bit about Cheryl.
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  Speaker 3: So you heard me say when I told Coxie on
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: this podcast that it's the best thing I get to
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: do as chair of Netball Australia is to ring these
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: people and tell them. And- Telling Catherine, everyone saw how
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: emotional it was. Laura was really excited and a bit
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: overwhelmed and honoured. And, you know, it's amazing when you
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: ring these people and they're like, oh, I'm not sure
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: that I deserve this. Oh, how lovely. Oh, my God.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: You of all people. But then I rang Cheryl Sidebottom
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: and I'll tell you a little bit about Cheryl. She
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: was a goalkeeper, two goalkeepers. going into the hall of
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: fame she made her diamonds debut she's diamond number 59
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: and she was only 19 when she made her debut
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: at the 1971 world tournament in jamaica wow and she
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: uh she won world titles in 71 and 75 and
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: her ability to time her jump and deflect and intercept
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: shots became a hallmark of her game can i tell
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you i never actually in my entire career and i
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: always wanted to do it i never jumped and intercepted
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: a shot i jumped and tipped lots of shots yep
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: But the skill involved to jump and intercept a shot
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: is phenomenal.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're talking then about you jump and you've
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: got the ball.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: You've got control of the ball.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just someone else will clean it up. Wow.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And you never got one of those.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I never did one.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: In all of my career, I never did one. And
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say that's because it's really difficult rather
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: than my lack of skill. But anyway.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you can say that and it's a credible statement.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, thank you. I think so too. So Cheryl played
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: a major role in Western Australia's national championship wins in 69,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: 70 and 71. After severe ankle injury sidelined her, she
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: fought her way back to the top level and returned
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: to help Australia win gold in Auckland in 1975. Now,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: she only played 14 test caps, but you have to
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: remember during this period, the only place you got a
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: test cap was at a world tournament. There really weren't
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: like test series to be played. So she became.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Do we know when that changed?
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: No, but I reckon by the late 80s it had
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: started to change. There were tests, like I remember seeing
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: test series on television like Trinidad. So it might have
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: been the mid to late 80s it started to change,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: but certainly in the 70s and previously there were some
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: test series but not a lot. And she was inducted
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: into the West Australian Hall of Fame in 2018 and
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: the WA Court of Champions in 2022. But let me
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: tell you, when I rang her, it was the most
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: emotional phone call that I've had in my three years
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of doing this. She immediately, she, and it's funny when
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I ring, people's often their first response is, why are
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: you ringing me? Like, what have I done wrong? What
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: have I done wrong? I'm like, oh God, if someone's
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: going to do something wrong, it's me. But she was
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: so emotional and she played with Chris Burden, legendary Australian
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: defender who passed away early this year.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just recently.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Just recently. So- And the emotion of that wound up
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: in the emotion of this. We both were just sitting
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: on the phone and crying. Oh, that's great. It was
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: really like.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: It was so. Liz Ellis making women cry. I know.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I hate admitting to crying. It's bad for my reputation.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: But it was so beautiful. It was one of the
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: most meaningful phone calls I've ever made and certainly the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: nicest that I've had in this job. Um, and it was,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: she was so overwhelmed and humbled and, um, yeah, it
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: was really beautiful. And there's someone else, um, that I
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: just want to mention. Rhonda Kimball from New South Wales
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: is getting a service award and lots of people would
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: remember her, um, as an umpire.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: So she trained and tested volunteer umpires for almost 25 years,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: lectured at New South Wales accreditation courses and umpire training camps,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: umpired state aid state championships for two decades. earned her
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: All-Australia Umpires badge in 91 and went on to umpire
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: national championships. Now, Rhonda umpired me. So the first thing
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I had to do was to apologize. being a brat
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: when I played. Happily, all is forgiven. And so, yeah,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: she will receive a service award at the dinner. So
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: they're the four major awards, which is really lovely. But, yeah, and,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: you know, like sometimes when these sort of things happen
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: post your career and like it's really humbling because when
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you're in the middle of it, you don't think about it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: You're doing your job, you're doing your job. And then
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: when you get to the end and you look back
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: and I often think when I go to watch state champs,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: for example, when I go to watch my daughter at
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: state champs, and I recently, I went to the regional
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: academy challenge in Wollongong, which didn't exist when I was
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: coming through the pathways, but I looked at all the
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: players and I was like, how on earth did I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: end up in New South Wales teams and then Australian teams?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Because The talent is so amazing and there's such an
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: amazing depth of talent. So it's nice to actually take
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the moment to think, A, how on earth did I
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: get here? But, well, how fortunate, you know, you are
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: to have this career. So I'm sure that for Geizzi
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: and Coxie and Cheryl and for Rhonda, it'll be a
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: really nice moment in a couple of weeks' time to
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: celebrate that and to reflect.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's crazy how... how reliant our sport, in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: all sports, how reliant we are on volunteers, for instance.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: So it's really nice to hear about, you know, people
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: like Rhonda Kimball getting that kind of nomination. But do you, like,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: who nominates? It's not an open nomination process, is it?
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: It's not a, No.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I've got a couple of friends at No Dribble by
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the name of Julie Fitzgerald and Sue Gordian, who I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: think are, you know, extraordinary contributors to the game. But
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is there, you know, is it a closed process, an
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: open process?
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a closed process. And it is a process.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So one of the subcommittees of the Netball Australia Board
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: is a history and traditions committee. And on that committee
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: are women who have played for Australia. So It's chaired
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: by one of our board members, but on that committee
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: are people like Elsma Murillo from WA who played for
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the Diamonds, Kili Deveri, Marg Molina. So women who are deeply,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: deeply rooted in the history.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Of the sport. So they're not board members of Netball Australia.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It's a subcommittee of the board. And so you've got
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a board member who auspices that kind of.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because that subcommittee does make recommendations for the board.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: So the ultimate... the ultimate sort of decision maker is
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the board. So, you know, they make a recommendation. So
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: this year they made the recommendations about, you know, Laura,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Catherine and Cheryl and Rhonda. So I had to stand down,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: recuse myself from the decision about Catherine, which was, you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a bit farcical, but it's good governance.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: That's very grown up.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I know it was, wasn't it?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Well, fortunately, it's a bloody lay down Mazere, isn't it?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I can recuse myself from this because I know you
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: guys are going to ratify it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't really have to make any sort of argument. But, yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: so it is.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: But that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: History and Traditions Committee has, you know, they regularly review
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the list of Diamonds players. They regularly review the volunteers
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: and the coaches and all these people who have. And remember,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: it's an Australian thing. So it tends to be Australian coaches.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: People have been involved in the Diamonds. Players have been
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: involved in the Diamonds. And then every state also have
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: their own Hall of Fame. So the New South Wales
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, both Coxie and I are members of.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: And they will have their own subcommittee that makes recommendations
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: to the board for people to be inducted there. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: every state has it and then the national body has one.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: But interestingly, there's also, so New South Wales, Sport New
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: South Wales has, or the Office of Sport have a
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. There is a Sport Australia Hall of Fame.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: So there's a few, but to be inducted into your
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: own Sports Hall of Fame is such a massive honour.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: And because of that, it is, there is a really
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: specific process that gets undertaken, incredibly thorough, every year and,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: you know, it's really well supported by people within netball
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: who are really well versed in the stats and who
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: sort of understand all of that sort of stuff. So
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: it's fantastic.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So we wouldn't necessarily assume that a Centurion will one
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: day become a Hall of Famer. There would be other
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: factors brought in to consider that.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you would think that most people centurions will
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: eventually be admitted into the Hall of Fame.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a massive service to the game, isn't it?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: And it shows longevity. But, you know, we've seen this
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: debate with the AFL Hall of Fame about taking into
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: account character, whether you do that or not. And that
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: hasn't been such a massive debate.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Fortunately, that's not such a huge issue for us.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: But, you know, it might become one in the future.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Who knows, right? So you sort of have to be
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: alive to these sort of things. But The thing that's
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: really sort of striking about almost all of these women
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: who are inducted is that the fact that even when
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: they're finished playing, they're still giving back to the sport.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: You look at Geizzi and Catherine and Catherine's coaching at
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: grassroots level. Both Geizzi and Catherine work in commentary. So
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: they're the face of the sport, right? Cheryl has been
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: involved in netball in Western Australia for years after her
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: playing career. So all these, like so many women, these
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: women who are inducted, It's not just, it doesn't just
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: finish with their playing career or their umpiring career or
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: their coaching career at the national level.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what? Catherine should be bloody coaching because
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I did a bit of a tidy up of my
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: office on the weekend and I found my strength and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: conditioning manual that I got when I did my foundation course.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Like it is littered with pictures of Catherine Cox. There's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like seven full page portraits of her. in action. Hang on,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: is that in strength and conditioning? Strength and conditioning.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: The irony.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER So to be fair on her, most of the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: photos of her are on court in action. There is
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: one of her in her training gear doing some running.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Lots of photos of Monia Girard.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's a historical artifice.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, yes. But there are seven pictures of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Catherine Cox in here. So it's like having a family album.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Here we go. There she is. Running.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Running.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Action, Cass.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that was at training. She's not running
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: out in the wild.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: This is so nice not having her here. We can
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: say nice things and then we can just take the
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: mickey out of her.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: This is sporting Barbie.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: It is sporting Barbie. And, you know, I think I've
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: told this story before that when Catherine and I, towards
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the end of our career, we were doing some sprint
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: and agility training and our conditioning coach, Dave Misson, said
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: to Cass and I, you two are like the Queen Mary.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: You're corner like the Queen Mary during an agility. I
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: was like, shut up.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So that is funny because it takes you a long
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: time to swing it around.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to get the anchors down and to change direction,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: it was not easy.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I had the greatest conversation at a function I went
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to on Friday. I was sitting next to a woman
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: named Tracy and I work for the Country Education Foundation,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: which helps get kids in rural areas into post-school education,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: be it traineeships, apprenticeships, university, whatever. Anyway, This was a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: big awards day and Tracey's daughter, Brooke, had won an
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: award for just outstanding commitment to her studies and the like.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: She's an incredible young woman. She's done a double degree.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: She's done, sorry, two degrees, social work and sports science.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And you might think that they don't fit together that well,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: but actually at-risk youth and sport... awesome combination for engaging them.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I was sitting next to her mother, Tracey,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: who could not have been more proud, but we're talking
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: obviously about netball. Brooke's a team manager for the Newcastle
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Knights NRLW team. And I said, well, that's all very interesting,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: but do you know anything about netball? And Brooke and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: her sister had been netball players. And Tracey was talking
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: about when the kids were little from the time they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: were quite young, some of her happiest memories are going
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to Adcock Park in West Gosford, Taking the Esky, she
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: said they get there at eight o'clock in the morning
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and they're there for the whole day. And she may
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: or may not see much of her kids. But, you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: very rarely as a parent do you think I'm comfortable
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: with not knowing exactly where my child is at the moment.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: But when you're at Saturday netball, there's 600 mothers there.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: all mothering each other's children, all saying, that's dangerous, don't
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: do that. She said there was sort of a canal
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: or a body of water along one edge of it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and she just said to them, don't go in the water.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And then other than that, the kids were off and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I thought, it's so lovely, isn't it, to reflect upon that,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that at such a, that sort of collaborative, that village
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: nature of netball, that it's like if you see someone's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: kid doing something stupid and You're not just going to go,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sure someone's got that under control. Like a netball
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: carnival is a really safe environment for the kids to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of freedom and exercise.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, it absolutely is. And I do the same with
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: my son. I take him to netball when I start
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: coaching on a Saturday or when we drop everyone off
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: to umpire. There's a sort of a skate park or
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: a bump park just behind the courts. He takes his scooter.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I don't see him unless he's asking me for money
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: for food. That's it. That's great. Yep, it's good. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: if I say, has anyone seen my son? Oh, yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: he's over there, he's over there.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Great. All right, we should take a little break and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: come back. We've gone super long today.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: We have, just you and me.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Just you and me. Yeah, but thank you. That was
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a great chat on the Hall of Fame.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Well, we were worried that we wouldn't have enough to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: talk about without Catherine here, but we have had so
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: much to talk about. And one thing I've forgot, you know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: last week we were talking about how we met up
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: at the, I surprised her at the ASICS launch of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the new diamonds dress and to celebrate their 20 plus
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: years support of the network. I had flown back from
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Canberra that morning. And the reason I had gone to
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Canberra was, and this is the most first world problem
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you'll ever have, was that I got a note from
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Virgin saying, you're going to lose your platinum status this week.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And I thought, I'm so close. So I flew down,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: spent the night with my mate. So I arrived at five.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: She picked me up. We went to her house. We
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: got Uber Eats and watched RuPaul's Drag Race. And then
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the next morning she drove me to the to the airport.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: We were in bed by 9.30 and she drove me
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to the airport at six and I flew back. But
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: because I was coming in late, I had the outfit
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that I was going to wear to the ASICS event
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and it was in my car. And I had plenty
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of time. I would go, I would get changed. I thought,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I'll just bring it with me in case things run out.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And lucky I did because there was a delay on
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the flight. But I was so close in time that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I had to get changed in the car park at
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Sydney airport. So I just opened the front door of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: my car and the back door and formed a little
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: change room in there. But my bags were sort of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on the front of the car. And so I went
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: around to get that, dropped something, picked it up and
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: stood up. My dress is, my top's half undone, stood up,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: slammed my head on this metal girder and nearly hit
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the ground half, you know, I'm not half naked, but
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'm only half dressed. And it's like, I just, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: cannot have anyone come and give me help at the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: moment because it's just, it's too long a story to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: explain what's going on here.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I don't have many clothes on. This is this, this
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: is that. Did your kids ever get embarrassed? You know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: like when you go to the beach?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: So when I go to the beach, I always just
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: put a towel around me and get changed. And when
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: my kids were little, they'd always be like, mom, mom,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: you're naked, you're naked. And I'm, I mean, I don't
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: really care. I think once you're given birth, you're really
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: quite relaxed about who sees you in the Niki Nuna.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: But my kids are always uptight about it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they are. They're so uptight about it as kids,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: aren't they? And like this is, I was at the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: beach on Saturday and thought, I do want to go
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: for a swim. So I just met a friend and
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  Speaker 1: she left and I thought, no, I'm here, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: for a swim. So I did the whole get changed
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  Speaker 1: under the towel thing. And it's a bit hard with,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: it's harder with the top than with the towel. And
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  Speaker 1: then I thought, Look, I'm going to do my best,
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  Speaker 1: but honestly, if anyone sees something here, if that's the
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  Speaker 1: most exciting part of their day, well, I'm happy to
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  Speaker 1: do that as a community service. But I'm sure that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: no one really cares about the 57-year-old woman's breast escaping momentarily.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I do worry about, though, at our age,
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  Speaker 3: if it's like, is this going to traumatise anyone else?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's preparing them.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, this is what it becomes, people.
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  Speaker 1: I remember seeing my grandmother in her underwear when I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: was about six or seven, and she had some cellulite.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, she must be dying. What's going
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: on there?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's outstanding. Oh, man. Well, actually, I went to
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: a wedding last Saturday night, Friday night. It was fantastic.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I love a good wedding. And it was Well, I'll
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: say this because he may not listen to this podcast.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: It was my favorite nephew, but there is a bit
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: of a, I always, I tell all my nephews, they're
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: my favorite nephews because, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: How many do you have?
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  Speaker 3: Well, on my side of the family, my sister has
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  Speaker 3: one son. He's my favorite nephew. But on Matthew's side
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  Speaker 3: of the family, I don't know, they're a big Catholic
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  Speaker 3: family from the country. Maybe 300 nephews and 400 nieces.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Can't recall. And then they all have children. I'm like,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Get them all to subscribe to our YouTube channel.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, I should actually, shouldn't I? Well, now that I've
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: mentioned them, they might all subscribe. So, you know, when
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the Stocks family from Bathurst subscribes, our numbers go through
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the roof. Anywho, they had a DJ. Do you know what?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: You'll appreciate this, Carolyn. You are an entertainer. I have
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: never seen this at a wedding before. We went to
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the wedding and the celebrant was awesome. Then after the ceremony,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: we went down for cocktails because the wedding and the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: reception were all at this one place, fantastic place, just
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  Speaker 3: near Bellingen, near Coffs Harbour.
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  Speaker 1: Great.
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  Speaker 3: And so we walked down from this little hill down
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  Speaker 3: to a cocktail area and we had cocktails. And then
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: we walked around the corner when the reception started and
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: we were seated at these two really long tables. It
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: was beautiful. And there was live music. And I looked
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: across and the guy who was doing singing had a
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: guitar and singing. was The Celebrant. I was like, oh,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: He's like the one man band. He is.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: It gets better. So then we have dinner and the
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: speeches and then we have the choice to sit around
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and drink or stand up and dance. And we opted
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: for the stand up and dance. And we walk in
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  Speaker 3: and the same guy is the DJ.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I was so disappointed that he wasn't cooking the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: bacon and eggs the next morning. But that was impressive.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: But the reason I tell this story about getting old
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: and embarrassed is we didn't have our children with us.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: So we got up and danced. And when Six foot
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: four and six foot dance. It's like they need to put,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I was thinking at some point, we need some witch's
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: hats around us, like as an exclusion, safety exclusion. Because
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: we'd had a few, you know, sherbets and we were
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: a bit sort of, you know, all over the shop.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: But we thought it was so cool and sexy and anyway,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: it was pathetic. But we thought it was funny. And
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I had heels on. And midway through the night, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: sent another of my favourite nephews off to my room
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: to get my flip-flops. So he did that for me.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't enough to save. And we went to bed.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: We were in bed at 11.30 and I woke up
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  Speaker 3: the next morning. And you know when you open your
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: eyes after you've had, like it wasn't a big night.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Like we were smart enough to not kick on when
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the bar closed. All the other younger folk went into
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: town and went to the pub and all the other
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: things and they didn't go to bed till four. So
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: we were smart enough to go to bed at 11.30.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: And I woke up and I thought, oh, that was
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: so good. Like I didn't drink that much. So I
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: don't have a headache. I don't feel dusty. And then
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I stood up and tried to walk. Matthew did the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: same thing at the same time. We both made the
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: same noise. Both of our knees were cactus from dancing.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: This is like where you get to in your life.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: You get to a point where you wake up and
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: you're not dusty, you're not hungover too badly, but your
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: body is too sore.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You get to a point where party drugs are Nurofen.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: LAUGHTER And they had, well, they had, there's no expense spent.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: They had these hangover kits the next day. And it
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: was like, you know, all the hydrolite drinks. And I'm like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: oh my God, there's ibuprofen.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I didn't bring any with me. So I was like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I'm so old. Anyway, I was telling Evelyn, she sent
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: me a message. She said, did you guys have fun?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Cause she was playing rugby and mudgy. And I said, yeah,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: but we danced in a really embarrassing fashion. And she's like,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: oh no, how embarrassing. I said, imagine two slightly tipsy giraffes.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: And she was like, no, oh no, that is so embarrassing.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, my kids had a book when, I think it
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: was more Dot, had a book when she was growing
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: up called Giraffes Can't Dance.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I wonder if I still got it. It was funny.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I love that book. It was like it didn't end
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: up that it wasn't the lack of dancing, it was
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: finding your own beat or finding the music that suits you.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's right and it's like that whole dance
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: like no one is watching and it's like no one is,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you know. It's an inherently joyful thing to do. Don't
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: ruin it for yourself by worrying about whether you're any
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: good at it.
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  Speaker 3: No, and I totally forgot that we live in the
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: social media generation, so it's probably on some bloody kids'
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: feed somewhere. Fantastic. And not like, oh, wow, this is
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: a really famous person dancing. It'll be like, oh, my God,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: look at these two old people. How embarrassing.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Nance had a few sherbets oh she goes yeah oh
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: dear well i think that um i miss katherine i
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: look forward to having her back but it was good
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to have a chat thank you very much but i
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: think we could we can probably go that's an episode
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: done like that's a good a good long chat and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: uh you know you need to go and do your
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: knee rehab after the weekend but uh Thanks, everyone, for
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: joining us. Have a great week. I'm Carolyn Swindell.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Liz Ellis, and I'm not sure that Catherine's going
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: to make it back. I've been on a subway in
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: another country with her, and when she said she was
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: going out the subway in Tokyo, I was like, hmm.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: She's going on chaperone.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Hope she keeps the blood sugar up. All right. Bye.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. Thanks, Kath.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Go and have fun. Thanks, team.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: We will.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: I'm a bit nervous about the Metro, but we'll be right.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: No, you'll be great. It's fine. And there are so
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: many people around who speak English and it's all safe
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and calm and easy. Be fun.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I just said to Harper, I need you to be
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: fed before we go because we got to this amazing
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: sushi place yesterday. It was all technical.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: It was crazy.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: But she was starving and she just could not concentrate
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: on all the buttons and things. Like it was an
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: actual train wreck. And I said to her, before we
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: get on the metro today because I'm going to need
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: your help, we're going to have to make sure you're fed.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, she's so your daughter.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: That's exactly you.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: We need to make sure there's food and coffee so
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: we can actually concentrate on what we're doing.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Now you know what it's like travelling
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: with you, Catherine.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dear.