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- 0:00Speaker 1: They're finding dead rats on it.
- 0:01Speaker 2: They're covered in like rat poop, and the guys are
- 0:05Speaker 2: telling them like, hey, these things are failing.
- 0:07Speaker 1: Samonilla tests and he's like, I don't care.
- 0:09Speaker 2: Ship it, like like you know, power wash it off
- 0:11Speaker 2: there and just ship it. We can't afford to lose
- 0:13Speaker 2: another client over this.
- 0:21Speaker 3: Under the ducks, yeah, under the docks, very breaking the looks.
- 0:30Speaker 3: Could they erase all the shots they like the dogs
- 0:34Speaker 3: under the ducks, under the ducks, Yeah, under the docks,
- 0:53Speaker 3: under the ducks.
- 1:04Speaker 4: Oh maybe this is under the docks.
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- 1:23Speaker 2: I mean, the FDA and the USDA is like the
- 1:27Speaker 2: one example of government regulation that's good, right, isn't it.
- 1:32Speaker 5: It's the only good government. And today we're reviewing poison
- 1:36Speaker 5: At twenty twenty three documentary that's on Netflix. It's actually
- 1:41Speaker 5: the full title was Poisoned, A Dirty Truth about food.
- 1:44Speaker 5: And I will say at the time when I was
- 1:47Speaker 5: watching this, my girlfriend was making lunch and it was
- 1:50Speaker 5: like a nice tasty steak, and I'm like, this is
- 1:54Speaker 5: probably the best show to watch while I'm eating a
- 1:58Speaker 5: bunch of food that they're telling you how it's made.
- 2:01Speaker 5: And I will say, it did not affect the food.
- 2:03Speaker 5: The food was still good.
- 2:05Speaker 2: I had I had chicken marinate, raw chicken marinating in
- 2:08Speaker 2: the fridge under just like a loose tinfoil top, you know. Like,
- 2:13Speaker 2: as I'm watching this, and it made me reevaluate my
- 2:16Speaker 2: entire life. There's certain foods that I'll probably never eat
- 2:19Speaker 2: again after watching this documentary.
- 2:22Speaker 4: Agreed.
- 2:22Speaker 5: And basically this documentary goes through how food is made, processed,
- 2:29Speaker 5: and how the government is going to help us correct
- 2:32Speaker 5: this lot in the course. Poison is a very interesting
- 2:45Speaker 5: scope on things. Right off the outlook and seeing the trailer,
- 2:48Speaker 5: I'm one of the I'm the one that picked this one.
- 2:50Speaker 5: Me and my girlfriend are going through Netflix and she's
- 2:52Speaker 5: always like, oh, let me put my input.
- 2:54Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't want to watch that documentary.
- 2:56Speaker 5: And she showed me this one, and I saw the
- 2:57Speaker 5: trailer and I'm like, you know what, it might be interesting.
- 3:00Speaker 4: It's it's like corruption, big food, big egg. You know
- 3:04Speaker 4: what I mean?
- 3:04Speaker 5: Big egg is something we don't talk about. We talked
- 3:06Speaker 5: about big pharma. What about big egg controlling our lives?
- 3:11Speaker 2: Well, there's there's big egg, there's big onion, there's big chicken,
- 3:14Speaker 2: there's big milk, there's like big everything, and and you
- 3:19Speaker 2: know what, this is the exact kind of documentary that
- 3:23Speaker 2: I purposely avoid. I'll watch whatever horror movie you want
- 3:26Speaker 2: to show is gory or as crazy as it's gonna be.
- 3:29Speaker 2: But the second you start talking about and here's how
- 3:33Speaker 2: we treat the chickens and cows before they make their way,
- 3:36Speaker 2: like all I have been so wilfully ignorant of this,
- 3:40Speaker 2: Like I jack myself back into the matrix every time
- 3:42Speaker 2: this comes up. So here's a prime example of a
- 3:46Speaker 2: documentary I would never watch if it weren't for this
- 3:48Speaker 2: particular series.
- 3:50Speaker 5: And this series starts off with like how you would think, right,
- 3:54Speaker 5: they start off with Bill Marin. I think Big Bill
- 3:59Speaker 5: Marlin my bad. And he is like an up and
- 4:02Speaker 5: coming lawyer right at the time when he's showing his backstory,
- 4:06Speaker 5: and he's like, I was a lawyer for four years
- 4:09Speaker 5: and I got this call.
- 4:11Speaker 4: Well, the call that he started.
- 4:14Speaker 5: Going with is this nineteen ninety three outbreak of a
- 4:18Speaker 5: check in the box, which is so crazy because I
- 4:20Speaker 5: was young, so I don't remember this. But it wasn't Washington,
- 4:23Speaker 5: so maybe it wasn't as televised. But also maybe I
- 4:26Speaker 5: was watching cartoons, right, I didn't know about the news
- 4:28Speaker 5: as much. I was only ten at the time. So
- 4:32Speaker 5: this exposed meat fiasco kind of unfolded his career that
- 4:37Speaker 5: he's like, hey, I got this phone call.
- 4:39Speaker 4: Someone's like, hey, you need to help them. You're a lawyer.
- 4:43Speaker 5: I'm sure that must happen a lot. Like you're a
- 4:44Speaker 5: lawyer and they don't even know what kind of law
- 4:46Speaker 5: you practice, right, They're like, you're you're a PA. You
- 4:50Speaker 5: can solve my issue. Hey, don't you work at a
- 4:52Speaker 5: medical facility? What's this lump on my arm? That's what
- 4:55Speaker 5: kind of gave me the feel of it, but it
- 4:57Speaker 5: actually seemed to ignite him. And now Bill Baylor is
- 5:00Speaker 5: like this activist, right, he's an advocate against this whole
- 5:06Speaker 5: process of how we make food.
- 5:09Speaker 2: And I honestly didn't know what to expect going into
- 5:13Speaker 2: this one, Like is it gonna be pro FDA USDA ANTI.
- 5:16Speaker 2: If it's anti, does that mean they're gonna be like
- 5:18Speaker 2: pro unpasteurized milk, you know, RFK junior style. And it
- 5:23Speaker 2: was a little all over the place. I honestly was
- 5:25Speaker 2: surprised at each turn. And here's here's an example too
- 5:28Speaker 2: of how wild this. The facts that come out in
- 5:31Speaker 2: this documentary are the whole Jack in the Box thing.
- 5:34Speaker 1: I do remember.
- 5:35Speaker 2: But I grew up on the East coast and like
- 5:38Speaker 2: the southeast of Florida, and we didn't have Jack in
- 5:41Speaker 2: the Boxes ever. We had like crystal and white castle
- 5:43Speaker 2: and stuff, and I thought Jack in the Box was
- 5:45Speaker 2: maybe something like that. But just to show you, like
- 5:48Speaker 2: how much of an impact this made that this was
- 5:51Speaker 2: this Ecoli outbreak where a few people died like that
- 5:54Speaker 2: out like hundreds of people got really sick, like like
- 5:57Speaker 2: incredibly sick from it. And ten years years later, I
- 6:01Speaker 2: was in Texas for the first time and there was
- 6:04Speaker 2: Jack in the Box there, and the first thing that
- 6:06Speaker 2: went through my mind was like, Oh, that's those are
- 6:08Speaker 2: the burgers that kill people. I was like, I would
- 6:10Speaker 2: never eat there, and I mean that's I had never
- 6:13Speaker 2: seen it before in person. And that was the first
- 6:15Speaker 2: thing that came to my mind, and here here's what
- 6:17Speaker 2: happened is that And this is the crazy part for
- 6:20Speaker 2: me on this story that kicks it all off. The
- 6:22Speaker 2: whole problem is that Washington had a law if you
- 6:26Speaker 2: were serving burgers, you had to cook it to one
- 6:29Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five degrees fahrenheit, like you had to
- 6:32Speaker 2: get to that temperature. Everywhere else in the country was
- 6:36Speaker 2: essentially one hundred and forty degrees, So Washington was different
- 6:40Speaker 2: in that they mandated an extra fifteen degrees, which would
- 6:44Speaker 2: have killed off ECO line theory. But Jack in the
- 6:48Speaker 2: Box they found in eternal documents that someone complained when
- 6:52Speaker 2: they cooked it to one hundred and fifty five degrees.
- 6:54Speaker 2: They said it was tough. So they were basically like
- 6:57Speaker 2: a whatever, what like Washington's being dumb about this, going
- 7:00Speaker 2: to keep cooking it one hundred and forty degrees and
- 7:03Speaker 2: somebody ends up getting sick. But what's weird to me
- 7:06Speaker 2: is that that's only in one state. In all the
- 7:09Speaker 2: other forty nine states, they didn't have to cook it
- 7:12Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty five degrees, So this outbreak
- 7:15Speaker 2: could have happened anywhere else and it only made an
- 7:17Speaker 2: impact just because Washington added those extra fifteen degrees to
- 7:21Speaker 2: their laws.
- 7:22Speaker 5: And also there's no actual proof that it came from
- 7:26Speaker 5: the actual hamburger, right, we don't know like if it
- 7:28Speaker 5: was lettuce, if it was a tomato, if it was onions.
- 7:31Speaker 5: But they just assumed and jumped on it, and once
- 7:34Speaker 5: the media trend because it was like seven hundred and
- 7:36Speaker 5: thirty some odd people that got sick and then unfortunately
- 7:39Speaker 5: a young child got sick and died, and that story
- 7:42Speaker 5: is what was pushed, like and the father is interviewed
- 7:45Speaker 5: in this and the father is like, hey, now he's
- 7:48Speaker 5: an activist, right, because this it turns you into your
- 7:51Speaker 5: hole spiel.
- 7:52Speaker 4: But I always found that interesting too.
- 7:53Speaker 5: Not only is it cooked differently around the country, but
- 7:57Speaker 5: also you didn't investigate anything like.
- 8:00Speaker 4: How to be the hamburger meat. You don't know. You
- 8:02Speaker 4: can't pinpoint it.
- 8:03Speaker 5: You can't say, oh, I found the little piece of
- 8:05Speaker 5: meat that had E coil ecoil.
- 8:08Speaker 4: I can't even say that word.
- 8:10Speaker 2: That's because it's a specific type too. There's like hundreds
- 8:14Speaker 2: of different types of E. Coli and this one in
- 8:17Speaker 2: Jack in the Box, they keep going back to this
- 8:19Speaker 2: very specific strain and it's called E. Coli zero one
- 8:23Speaker 2: five seven, and this is one that creates something called
- 8:25Speaker 2: the shugartoxin, And when you can find that in your system,
- 8:29Speaker 2: what it'll do is it'll start shutting down your or
- 8:32Speaker 2: it'll kill the blood and then like the bad blood
- 8:35Speaker 2: will start clogging up your organs essentially, and your organs
- 8:38Speaker 2: will systematically start to shut down. And I mean, if
- 8:41Speaker 2: the right organs shut down on the right order, then
- 8:44Speaker 2: it's fatal, and that's usually what ends up. But even
- 8:46Speaker 2: if you survive it, a lot of these people you're like,
- 8:49Speaker 2: you know, a nine year old kid and now you
- 8:51Speaker 2: need dialysis for the rest of your life because your
- 8:53Speaker 2: kidney failed, you know. So it's it's like legitimate issues,
- 8:57Speaker 2: but like you were saying, they don't necessary rarely know
- 9:01Speaker 2: exactly what caused it. But this one was supposed to
- 9:04Speaker 2: have pointed to beef, and that the red they go
- 9:07Speaker 2: over in this documentary. The reason why Hamburger's in particular,
- 9:10Speaker 2: which is like one of the riskiest things you can
- 9:12Speaker 2: order anywhere, grocery store, restaurant, anywhere, it is because the E.
- 9:17Speaker 2: Coli lives on the outside of the beef. So if
- 9:20Speaker 2: you've got like a steak and you sear both sides.
- 9:23Speaker 2: There's a good chance there's no ecoli because it got
- 9:25Speaker 2: seared off on the top or the bottom whatever. But
- 9:28Speaker 2: if you grind it, then now all of a sudden,
- 9:31Speaker 2: the surface where it had the E coli is now
- 9:33Speaker 2: all up inside the inside and everything, So now just
- 9:36Speaker 2: searing the outsides doesn't matter. And I guess they were
- 9:40Speaker 2: coming up with a number of the on the high end.
- 9:43Speaker 2: If you just grab a whole bunch of hamburger meat,
- 9:46Speaker 2: it could have up to four hundred different cows in it.
- 9:49Speaker 2: And now you're playing like a crazy lottery, like did
- 9:52Speaker 2: any of these four hundred cows have E coli on
- 9:55Speaker 2: them at any point? And then you see the conditions
- 9:57Speaker 2: that they're raised in, You're like, yeah, probably he.
- 10:00Speaker 5: Get your pick in the e coli lottery, right, Like
- 10:03Speaker 5: what will you get? Will you get a good burger
- 10:05Speaker 5: that tast great? Or will you have something bad on
- 10:08Speaker 5: the way down? They also then they kind of like
- 10:11Speaker 5: dolve it from this. This is like the main narrative
- 10:13Speaker 5: pushing through, and I'm with you, I wasn't sure where
- 10:15Speaker 5: they were gonna go with it.
- 10:17Speaker 4: Are they like the government is the reason why things
- 10:19Speaker 4: aren't going right? Too? Much government is you know, all
- 10:24Speaker 4: these like we gotta test.
- 10:25Speaker 5: This wet I thought in the beginning, I'm like starting
- 10:27Speaker 5: to watch it, like, Okay, we're gonna go after big
- 10:29Speaker 5: corporations and we're gonna go off the government.
- 10:30Speaker 1: Like I thought the opposite.
- 10:32Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be anti corporation pro big government.
- 10:35Speaker 5: Mmmm.
- 10:36Speaker 4: That's that's so I thought that we're gonna go after both.
- 10:39Speaker 5: And then I started seeing as it seeps in that
- 10:41Speaker 5: they're like and this is you know, they go into
- 10:44Speaker 5: like the FDA does this, and the USDA does that,
- 10:46Speaker 5: and they start talking about how what you said of
- 10:50Speaker 5: how they grind up the beef and that you're like
- 10:52Speaker 5: playing a dangerous game every time you eat that. And
- 10:55Speaker 5: they they go through and examine like some of the stuff,
- 10:59Speaker 5: and then they start going through the practices of corporations.
- 11:02Speaker 5: They have a brief a brief interview with a us
- 11:08Speaker 5: DA and a FDA spokeshole that like kind of like
- 11:17Speaker 5: they start using them in this pattern of like oh,
- 11:20Speaker 5: they're like everything's the safest me They keep saying everything
- 11:23Speaker 5: with the safest food product in the country. Like they
- 11:25Speaker 5: they go through these news thing, these cycles of everybody
- 11:28Speaker 5: saying that America has the safest food supply and in
- 11:32Speaker 5: the world, And then they go into like how these
- 11:34Speaker 5: how is it made? How are the circumstances in these factories?
- 11:39Speaker 5: And one of the ones they point out to was
- 11:41Speaker 5: Big Peanut, Right. I didn't even know there was Peanut
- 11:45Speaker 5: American Corporation, Like I didn't even know, like, or is
- 11:48Speaker 5: a Peanut Corporate of America something.
- 11:49Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah.
- 11:51Speaker 2: And it's like it's like one of the main places
- 11:54Speaker 2: that every other brand that uses peanuts, no matter if
- 11:57Speaker 2: it's a granola bar or peanut butter or whatever, all
- 12:00Speaker 2: the brands source the peanuts from this one place.
- 12:03Speaker 5: From That's what's crazy too, is that it's kind of
- 12:06Speaker 5: like that thing when you get behind the veil, like
- 12:09Speaker 5: when you find out how things are made. You're like, oh, man,
- 12:12Speaker 5: Gucci glasses, I'm gonna pay a lot of money for
- 12:14Speaker 5: these Gucci frames. Oh yours are knockoffs. And you're like
- 12:18Speaker 5: they're made in the same factory, Like you know what
- 12:20Speaker 5: I mean, Like it's the same design, Like it's not like, oh,
- 12:23Speaker 5: they designed it perfectly, hand edged it for Gucci. You know,
- 12:26Speaker 5: like you're literally going to the same factory. They're just
- 12:29Speaker 5: showing you a different blueprint and then they're just making it.
- 12:32Speaker 2: And and some of those examples too, they're making the
- 12:35Speaker 2: exact same glasses and the only difference is that the
- 12:37Speaker 2: knockoffs have like extra letters on them that you just
- 12:40Speaker 2: peel off and now it's it's literally the same thing.
- 12:43Speaker 2: But uh, And I guess the one with this Peanut
- 12:46Speaker 2: Corporation of America that was blowing my mind is that
- 12:49Speaker 2: the dude knew that he was running like a dirty operation,
- 12:53Speaker 2: and he was like flippantly like, I don't care, screw it.
- 12:57Speaker 2: We can't afford to lose, you know, any money on this.
- 12:59Speaker 2: And we're talking to the point where there's supposed to
- 13:02Speaker 2: be palettes of peanuts going out and they're finding dead
- 13:05Speaker 2: rats on it. They're covered in like rat poop, and
- 13:09Speaker 2: the guys are telling them like, hey, these things are
- 13:11Speaker 2: failing Salmonilla tests, and he's.
- 13:13Speaker 1: Like, I don't care.
- 13:13Speaker 2: Ship it, like like, you know, power wash it off
- 13:16Speaker 2: there and just ship it. We can't afford to lose
- 13:18Speaker 2: another client over this. And as they're telling them, hey,
- 13:21Speaker 2: this is failing for Salmonilla, and he's saying ship it now,
- 13:24Speaker 2: all of a sudden there's Salmonilla outbreaks all over the country.
- 13:27Speaker 2: And so here's one too, And again in my ignorance
- 13:31Speaker 2: of like willfully being ignorant about food supply, because I
- 13:34Speaker 2: just want to hear the FDA and the USDA say
- 13:38Speaker 2: we've got the healthiest food chain in the world. I
- 13:41Speaker 2: just want to hear that and be like, all right, cool,
- 13:43Speaker 2: because the other trade off, right is, like fast food's
- 13:47Speaker 2: bad for you, it's overprocessed. Peanut butter is just basically
- 13:52Speaker 2: artificial plastic at this point. It's got hydrogenated oils and
- 13:55Speaker 2: fake flavorings and it'll last in a pantry for like
- 13:59Speaker 2: five years. And I thought that the trade off was that, Okay,
- 14:03Speaker 2: it's overly processed, it's probably gonna kill you just because
- 14:06Speaker 2: it's bad for you.
- 14:07Speaker 1: But it can't have.
- 14:09Speaker 2: Like E coli and salmonilla in it, right, because it
- 14:12Speaker 2: goes through all these processes and it's all exactly the same.
- 14:15Speaker 2: And how could you even get E coli and peanut butter. Well,
- 14:18Speaker 2: you just leave the rat turds on it and then
- 14:21Speaker 2: ship it and then they just grind the rat thirds
- 14:24Speaker 2: into the peanut butter wherever you're buying it from. And
- 14:26Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it was Peter Pan or Jiff
- 14:29Speaker 2: or any of them, right reces. It could have been
- 14:31Speaker 2: any of them and you would get that same salmonila
- 14:34Speaker 2: from the rat crap.
- 14:35Speaker 5: And the funny thing is since because finding out that
- 14:38Speaker 5: this corporation run by the CEO Stewart Parnell, who like
- 14:44Speaker 5: you said, knew about a lot of this going on
- 14:46Speaker 5: in this salmonila outbreak, but they had it so since
- 14:51Speaker 5: they worked with all these companies, hundreds of companies that
- 14:54Speaker 5: they work with, for like.
- 14:55Speaker 1: Four thousand products. That was the number that they said.
- 14:58Speaker 5: And you're talking about, like you said, for Jiff, you're
- 15:00Speaker 5: talking about from granola bars to Jiff, to Peter Pan,
- 15:02Speaker 5: any kind.
- 15:03Speaker 2: Takashi Organic, the high the top shelf, like nine dollars,
- 15:08Speaker 2: granola bars, all of them.
- 15:10Speaker 4: All of them.
- 15:11Speaker 5: And the thing that you don't that that they they
- 15:13Speaker 5: were doing is they were like, hey, you gotta do
- 15:15Speaker 5: this like test and certify that you've tested these and
- 15:19Speaker 5: salamon is not infected on any of your products. So
- 15:24Speaker 5: they were starting to go through it and they got
- 15:26Speaker 5: a positive test and they're like.
- 15:27Speaker 4: All right, let's let's try it again.
- 15:30Speaker 5: And they kept giving positive tests and then they're like,
- 15:32Speaker 5: you know what, where's that negative test, they got the
- 15:35Speaker 5: negative test wide It out so simple, right that it's
- 15:38Speaker 5: just funny in the documentary too.
- 15:40Speaker 4: You see, like the streak of wide out.
- 15:42Speaker 5: I'm like, nobody noticed that with all those white out
- 15:44Speaker 5: all right, that they wided out the day and they
- 15:47Speaker 5: just put out, hey, this is the you know, today's date,
- 15:50Speaker 5: and looks like we got a negative test, a spoiler alert.
- 15:54Speaker 4: That did not shock me.
- 15:55Speaker 5: I was I was like, what corporations are gonna do
- 15:59Speaker 5: what they gotta do, dude, to meet the bottom line.
- 16:01Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, seemed pretty obvious.
- 16:04Speaker 5: But then this outbreak was supposedly one of the biggest
- 16:07Speaker 5: outbreaks because it was the biggest recall that of products
- 16:10Speaker 5: that Americas have had at the time, and like I
- 16:13Speaker 5: think they said that it was like eight hundred and
- 16:15Speaker 5: eighty eight products were recalled. And then so then this
- 16:20Speaker 5: got into the news and Pernell had to sit in
- 16:23Speaker 5: front of Congress and he just pleaded the fifth He
- 16:25Speaker 5: was like, all right, you know, I'm going to exercise
- 16:28Speaker 5: my rights, and then going through everything, he ended up
- 16:31Speaker 5: getting twenty eight years now. They didn't do a follow up.
- 16:34Speaker 5: I didn't I should have did a little bit more
- 16:36Speaker 5: thorough a followup. Because I was wondering did he do
- 16:37Speaker 5: the twenty eight years or did.
- 16:39Speaker 1: He have eight years? Bro he was eighty years old.
- 16:42Speaker 5: He was already old, And I'm like, did they just
- 16:44Speaker 5: let him out? Because then they have all these fraudulent
- 16:49Speaker 5: reports and people are like, he got jail sentenced for
- 16:53Speaker 5: it because he willingly knew, But I don't think he
- 16:55Speaker 5: really did all that service. I think they let him
- 16:57Speaker 5: out pretty early because there's another guy that also from
- 17:00Speaker 5: the egg the egg factory, Jack Dicosta, who was also
- 17:04Speaker 5: with the five million egg recall knowingly sold million five
- 17:09Speaker 5: hundred million sorry, that is significant, five hundred million eggs
- 17:14Speaker 5: recalled knowing that they were contaminated by salmonila and he
- 17:18Speaker 5: got a very light sentence. I think it was like
- 17:22Speaker 5: a couple of years, or maybe like eighteen months. I
- 17:24Speaker 5: forget the exact number. So I'm like, okay, cause they
- 17:28Speaker 5: kind of passed over all that. So I'm like, well,
- 17:29Speaker 5: did this other pronell guy too? They're like, man, we're
- 17:31Speaker 5: gonna throw the hamra at you on camera and then
- 17:34Speaker 5: don't worry, you'll be good afterwards. But when they get
- 17:37Speaker 5: into the Jack Decosser and the egg industry again, me too,
- 17:40Speaker 5: will willfully ignorant, not like I'm not doing a bunch
- 17:44Speaker 5: of research on Big Egg, Like I need to find
- 17:46Speaker 5: out where my food comes from.
- 17:48Speaker 4: I mean, if you can.
- 17:49Speaker 5: It's not like everybody could just go to a local farmer, right,
- 17:52Speaker 5: some of us are lucky, like where you can go, Hey,
- 17:54Speaker 5: I can.
- 17:54Speaker 4: Go buy a cow from a guy.
- 17:56Speaker 5: No, and he definitely doesn't test any of it, Like
- 17:59Speaker 5: you know what I mean saying I because one of
- 18:01Speaker 5: the things they point out work into the Big Egg
- 18:04Speaker 5: stuff is that they've been a lot of the the
- 18:07Speaker 5: contamination came from having cattle and broken apart by like
- 18:13Speaker 5: a stream where the food is like you know, lettuce
- 18:17Speaker 5: and all the veggies. The greenery is grown, but the
- 18:20Speaker 5: water that is used to grow the greenery is full
- 18:24Speaker 5: of cowshit. And they're like, so you're spraying cowshit onto it.
- 18:28Speaker 5: But then I was like, but you also use fertilized
- 18:30Speaker 5: So it's so confusing to me as well, because I
- 18:32Speaker 5: was like, I'm not saying that's good or not, but
- 18:34Speaker 5: I'm like, well, doesn't fertilizer also contain cowshit?
- 18:37Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 18:37Speaker 2: I know, But the difference is so simple, right, Like
- 18:40Speaker 2: the fertilizer is under the ground for the roots so
- 18:43Speaker 2: it can like soak it up. But what this is
- 18:46Speaker 2: for this is for salmonella and it's for e.
- 18:48Speaker 1: Coli.
- 18:49Speaker 2: That both of it comes from animal feces and in
- 18:52Speaker 2: the cow example, like for example, the jack in the box.
- 18:56Speaker 2: The reason why they said that it came from the
- 18:57Speaker 2: cow is because they they were to pinpoint unhealthy practices
- 19:02Speaker 2: in the slaughterhouse, so that when they opened up the stomach,
- 19:05Speaker 2: all of the insides of the stomach, which is essentially
- 19:07Speaker 2: just poop that hadn't come out of the butt yet
- 19:09Speaker 2: right like that had got it had contaminated the meat
- 19:13Speaker 2: and that's how it came in. And the same thing
- 19:15Speaker 2: when we're talking about like romaine lettuce as an example,
- 19:19Speaker 2: or these other outbreaks, it was because the cows were
- 19:24Speaker 2: separated along an irrigation ditch, like far away from where
- 19:28Speaker 2: the vegetables were being grown. But what happened is that
- 19:32Speaker 2: the cow manure would find its way into that irrigation ditch,
- 19:35Speaker 2: and then the sprinkler system was using the water from
- 19:39Speaker 2: the irrigation ditch to like water all of the different vegetables.
- 19:43Speaker 2: So now you got the manure into the irrigation water
- 19:46Speaker 2: that's then being sprayed on top of the actual things
- 19:49Speaker 2: that you're about to eat. And if you're talking about
- 19:52Speaker 2: lettuce or vegetables, I mean, there's like lettuce is a
- 19:55Speaker 2: good example. You don't cook lettuce, you know what I mean, Like,
- 19:57Speaker 2: you're not going to be baking it. You're not gonna
- 19:59Speaker 2: be raising it to one hundred and fifty five degrees.
- 20:02Speaker 2: So the second that just a little particle of cowmanure
- 20:06Speaker 2: finds its way onto your lettuce, there's really no The
- 20:09Speaker 2: only way that that's ever going to get clean is
- 20:11Speaker 2: if what you like, wash water against it. Like if
- 20:13Speaker 2: you literally if you knew that cowpoop made its way
- 20:17Speaker 2: onto a piece of lettuce that was headed your way,
- 20:20Speaker 2: would you be okay if someone's like, oh it's okay,
- 20:21Speaker 2: I just ran some water over it. It's good now,
- 20:24Speaker 2: like you would in a million years you would never
- 20:25Speaker 2: do that, right, No.
- 20:27Speaker 5: You wouldn't, because you'd be like, there's still cowbnure all
- 20:29Speaker 5: over that piece of lettuce. And like you said, like
- 20:32Speaker 5: unless you're steaming these like steaming or cooking them like,
- 20:36Speaker 5: but most lettuce you don't. That's not the purpose of
- 20:39Speaker 5: lettuce lettuce, And then they go through that and when
- 20:42Speaker 5: they go into the egg industry, just like when they
- 20:45Speaker 5: talk to black the meat industry, I think, like the
- 20:46Speaker 5: problem and they kind of highlight it, but they don't
- 20:49Speaker 5: specifically call it out. Is the problem with many things
- 20:52Speaker 5: is that there's only like two suppliers. Like for eggs,
- 20:56Speaker 5: for instance, there's only two breeders of eggs, two major
- 20:59Speaker 5: breeders of eggs. Right, I'm sure that there's little small
- 21:01Speaker 5: markets Cobb and Avgan. These two egg breeders are selling
- 21:08Speaker 5: to the other. Again, there's breeders and there's hatchers. Now
- 21:14Speaker 5: there's four major hatchers, Tyson, Purdue.
- 21:19Speaker 4: I forget the other two. Yep, they have.
- 21:25Speaker 5: Hats to get these eggs from them, They hatch the eggs,
- 21:27Speaker 5: and now you're getting all your chickens, all your eggs,
- 21:30Speaker 5: like everything from the same places. It's that's the thing
- 21:33Speaker 5: you just see that. That's what I wish they would
- 21:35Speaker 5: highlight more, is that we're like, yeah.
- 21:37Speaker 4: We get it.
- 21:37Speaker 5: Like maybe if we diversified and became a true capitalist
- 21:41Speaker 5: country where everybody's not strangled by the government, that you're
- 21:47Speaker 5: able to sell eggs.
- 21:48Speaker 4: Right, the scrutiny that is not even helping.
- 21:50Speaker 5: Like they go through this egg they go to Purdue
- 21:54Speaker 5: and they're like talking to the guy and he's like, oh,
- 21:56Speaker 5: we're the safest. He doesn't realize that he's kind of getting.
- 21:59Speaker 4: A hippie on him.
- 22:01Speaker 5: He's I'm going to prove that we're great, right, Like, look,
- 22:04Speaker 5: we do all this testing. He goes right away and
- 22:07Speaker 5: shows their technology that you know, this looks a little dirty.
- 22:10Speaker 5: We tell him put the dirty ones on the bottom.
- 22:12Speaker 5: This has and then it gets right away a negative
- 22:14Speaker 5: reading and he's like, well, that's like seventy percent. It's
- 22:17Speaker 5: not like terrible. He was like, but it's not like
- 22:21Speaker 5: perfect range.
- 22:22Speaker 2: Like he kind of you know, yeah, we're not excited
- 22:24Speaker 2: about this, but it's fine.
- 22:25Speaker 1: It's within you know limits, it's in the limits.
- 22:28Speaker 5: And then they go through how the process of all
- 22:31Speaker 5: this stuff is and how they hatch them, and it
- 22:34Speaker 5: looks filthy, like that's where I'm like, oh man, I
- 22:37Speaker 5: was so happy at that point. I was eating steak
- 22:39Speaker 5: because we got we got through the meat part and
- 22:42Speaker 5: the beef part, and now we're like.
- 22:44Speaker 4: Just going into this chicken thing.
- 22:46Speaker 5: And yeah, you just see a bunch of chicken hatched
- 22:48Speaker 5: in incubators they're put in. So they're like, yeah, then
- 22:51Speaker 5: we just throw them in like a little convey or
- 22:53Speaker 5: just spraying with some kind of substance.
- 22:56Speaker 4: It's like this blue.
- 22:57Speaker 5: They don't explain what that is, but they're just spraying
- 22:59Speaker 5: them with some blue spray going down the conveyor and boom,
- 23:03Speaker 5: let's pack them all into this what millions and millions
- 23:07Speaker 5: millions of chickens into this like farm packed farm. They
- 23:10Speaker 5: claim that they hatch twelve million chickens a day, so
- 23:14Speaker 5: like they're just pushing these chickens out and like then
- 23:17Speaker 5: you see these farms and you're like, oh man, yeah,
- 23:20Speaker 5: Tyson Purdue, like that's where I'm getting my chicken from.
- 23:23Speaker 4: And they're just chickens on top of chickens.
- 23:26Speaker 2: So so yeah, they kind of progress from beef and
- 23:30Speaker 2: then they get into like vegetables and they kind of
- 23:32Speaker 2: show you all the different vectors on how you're gonna
- 23:35Speaker 2: get sick from food, and then the question and then
- 23:38Speaker 2: they start posing it of Okay, now here's what you
- 23:41Speaker 2: should be the most concerned about. Here's the highest numbers,
- 23:44Speaker 2: and the highest chance you're gonna get sick is gonna
- 23:47Speaker 2: be from salmonilla. And if it's from salmonilla, then it's
- 23:49Speaker 2: gonna be from chicken. And like as they're saying that,
- 23:52Speaker 2: like you had a steak, I had some raw chicken
- 23:55Speaker 2: marinating in my fridge at that point, and like I
- 23:58Speaker 2: already kind of like I've known because I've got friends
- 24:03Speaker 2: that were professional chefs and we're going to chef school
- 24:05Speaker 2: and stuff, and they told me all about eggs and chicken,
- 24:08Speaker 2: and they kind of treat it like it's a biohazard.
- 24:10Speaker 2: And someone actually says that in this documentary. He says
- 24:13Speaker 2: that if you go to the store and you buy
- 24:16Speaker 2: raw chicken, that you need to you need to actually
- 24:19Speaker 2: look at that, like I just brought biohazard into my
- 24:22Speaker 2: house and treat it accordingly, so like you don't need
- 24:25Speaker 2: you know, put on gloves and don't touch it, and
- 24:28Speaker 2: don't touch other things, like keep it contained and then
- 24:31Speaker 2: throw it in the garbage immediately, and like cook it immediately,
- 24:35Speaker 2: and don't wash it. Whatever you do, don't wash your
- 24:37Speaker 2: chicken because it just spreads it all over the other
- 24:41Speaker 2: And the part that I thought was so interesting is
- 24:43Speaker 2: that the Purdue guy thinks that he's like, I'm going
- 24:46Speaker 2: to get a leg up on the competition. I'm going
- 24:48Speaker 2: to be like, you know what, here's here's what we're doing. Right,
- 24:51Speaker 2: we're trying to to set an example for the rest
- 24:54Speaker 2: of this industry. We're gonna show these amateurs how it's done.
- 24:58Speaker 2: And they go to them and they're like, so we
- 25:01Speaker 2: went to the store and we bought, you know, five chickens,
- 25:03Speaker 2: and we tested them all for salmonilla, and the only
- 25:07Speaker 2: one that came up, you know, positive for salmonella was Purdue.
- 25:11Speaker 2: And the guy's like, oh, well, you know, that's such
- 25:15Speaker 2: a small sample size, you know, five, you know that
- 25:18Speaker 2: we wouldn't in the industry, we would just consider that anomaly.
- 25:21Speaker 2: That doesn't really And then they ask him, well, how many,
- 25:25Speaker 2: you know, would a typical sample size be, and he's like, oh,
- 25:28Speaker 2: you know, at least like one hundred and fifty or something,
- 25:30Speaker 2: And it just cuts to them at the grocery store
- 25:32Speaker 2: buying one hundred and fifty chickens. And as soon as
- 25:36Speaker 2: that start, like I actually had to stop it, the
- 25:38Speaker 2: same way that someone watching a horror movie is like,
- 25:41Speaker 2: I can't, I can't watch this anymore. Like I literally
- 25:44Speaker 2: had to stop the documentary because I knew exactly what
- 25:47Speaker 2: was about to happen. And again, like I said, like
- 25:50Speaker 2: I had chicken in the fridge, like I've been I'm
- 25:53Speaker 2: intentionally wilfully ignorant. Remember my grandma growing up, she would
- 25:58Speaker 2: just cook. I mean she was typically Grandma would cook
- 26:00Speaker 2: like every meal all the time for everyone, and she
- 26:03Speaker 2: never ate chicken her entire life. And it's because she
- 26:05Speaker 2: grew up on a farm and raised chicken, and I
- 26:08Speaker 2: guess she just like fell in love with them, so
- 26:10Speaker 2: she couldn't bring herself to eat chicken. But like this
- 26:14Speaker 2: whole concept of how many of these chicken Dude, the
- 26:17Speaker 2: section when they're showing the chicks of like the over
- 26:21Speaker 2: a million process every day, twelve million or something, and
- 26:24Speaker 2: they're just on this conveyor belt. I can't not see
- 26:27Speaker 2: the scenes from like Animatrix when the robots finally turn
- 26:31Speaker 2: on humans and they just put you on conveyor belts
- 26:33Speaker 2: and they just like tear your skin off and pop
- 26:36Speaker 2: your eyes out like they don't care because they're just
- 26:38Speaker 2: processing meat. And I get this really horrible feeling of
- 26:44Speaker 2: like this is the way that humans are teaching the
- 26:47Speaker 2: world how things work. So now when we lose control,
- 26:50Speaker 2: like the rules that we started are probably gonna stay
- 26:54Speaker 2: in place. And as I see these little baby chicks
- 26:56Speaker 2: getting sprayed with the blue soap and then going into
- 26:59Speaker 2: this sexting process, which luckily they don't show. It's like,
- 27:03Speaker 2: here's these baby chickens going down a conveyor belt and
- 27:06Speaker 2: I'm like dreading what we're about to see next. But
- 27:08Speaker 2: then it just cuts to like these full grown chickens
- 27:11Speaker 2: already defeathered, already like ready to go on.
- 27:15Speaker 1: The conveyor belt and stuff. But the process between those
- 27:18Speaker 1: two points gets even worse. So again, this is like
- 27:21Speaker 1: one of those those movies where I usually would just
- 27:24Speaker 1: not watch this.
- 27:26Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, they had to do some kind
- 27:27Speaker 5: of like study, like they had to sit down before
- 27:29Speaker 5: they're releasing this stuff. They're like, we want to get
- 27:31Speaker 5: a point across. I don't know, because I think that
- 27:33Speaker 5: turns a lot of people off. You don't want to
- 27:35Speaker 5: see a lot of that. We're like, all right, man,
- 27:37Speaker 5: even though I know you're telling me, but you're like, what,
- 27:39Speaker 5: you're not giving me a solution to be like, oh,
- 27:42Speaker 5: we'll go to this local farmer and you know what
- 27:45Speaker 5: I mean, Hey, go to this these are the ways
- 27:47Speaker 5: like around it.
- 27:47Speaker 4: They're like, you're pretty sure it is done well?
- 27:50Speaker 2: They show so this is where normally I know a
- 27:53Speaker 2: lot of different like libertarians and like you know, down
- 27:56Speaker 2: with the government and stuff. And sometimes not often, but
- 28:00Speaker 2: sometimes like you'll get a concession of like, yeah, I
- 28:03Speaker 2: don't know, I'm on the fence on FDA in USDA,
- 28:05Speaker 2: like because as an example, there's there's nothing in place
- 28:09Speaker 2: that could say, like force that egg guy to recall
- 28:13Speaker 2: five hundred million eggs. There's nothing that could force the
- 28:17Speaker 2: peanut guy except for this FDA and USDA stuff like that.
- 28:21Speaker 2: That's the things that can send you to jail for
- 28:24Speaker 2: twenty eight years or can force your hand to do
- 28:26Speaker 2: this recall and all this. So I guess there's like
- 28:30Speaker 2: a very superficial naive idea of like, okay, well maybe
- 28:34Speaker 2: the FDA USDA are doing their thing. So then they
- 28:37Speaker 2: do a whole breakdown of like okay, here's an example
- 28:41Speaker 2: of one of those plants. Like I'm just gonna say, Purdue,
- 28:43Speaker 2: they don't tell you what plants that they've got this
- 28:45Speaker 2: like insider. They get this insider USDA inspector that's that's
- 28:50Speaker 2: in one of these chicken farms on the line, and
- 28:52Speaker 2: she's explaining that okay, well this plant processes about three
- 28:57Speaker 2: hundred thousand chickens a day and that each end of
- 29:00Speaker 2: inspector is responsible for inspecting about one hundred and seventy
- 29:04Speaker 2: five birds every minute. And they're bay, they're just whipping
- 29:07Speaker 2: by you as fast as possible, and I guess they're
- 29:10Speaker 2: just looking for like, oh, that one's got poop on it,
- 29:12Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like or that that one
- 29:14Speaker 2: looks a little bit like weird and mutator.
- 29:16Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and pull that one off the line.
- 29:18Speaker 2: But as they're describing this, she says that there's guy
- 29:23Speaker 2: and they don't do a great job of hiding her voice,
- 29:25Speaker 2: by the way, they like lower it, but she's got
- 29:28Speaker 2: such a thick Southern drawl that I guarantee you someone's
- 29:32Speaker 2: watching this like that's Deborah, I know Debrah anywhere, even
- 29:35Speaker 2: though they change the voice and everything, but she's she's
- 29:38Speaker 2: saying that inspectors are asleep on the line. Okay, that's
- 29:42Speaker 2: not really that big of a deal. I you would
- 29:44Speaker 2: assume that. But that also that they don't really have
- 29:47Speaker 2: an incentive to hold up this line. And they start
- 29:51Speaker 2: pointing out because they go and talk to like some
- 29:54Speaker 2: actual the guys that are criticizing all this, and they're
- 29:57Speaker 2: telling them like E Coli is microscopic, You can't look
- 30:01Speaker 2: at a chicken and be like, oh, there's the ecal
- 30:03Speaker 2: lie on that chicken.
- 30:04Speaker 1: You don't.
- 30:05Speaker 2: You can't see it with your eyes. So the very
- 30:08Speaker 2: fact that they even have a USDA inspector sitting on
- 30:11Speaker 2: these lines is literally just there to check a box
- 30:15Speaker 2: so that the farm can say this is USDA inspected.
- 30:20Speaker 2: And then that person gets a job, and he's saying like,
- 30:22Speaker 2: literally hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars are just
- 30:26Speaker 2: being thrown into the garbage because you have some us
- 30:29Speaker 2: DA inspector using their eyeballs to look for E. Coli,
- 30:33Speaker 2: which is impo or salmonella, which is impossible to do.
- 30:36Speaker 2: So it kind of like shattered my world a little
- 30:39Speaker 2: bit again wilfully like I was wilfully ignorant. But of
- 30:42Speaker 2: course the government is just wasting money in checking boxes
- 30:45Speaker 2: and not doing anything useful.
- 30:47Speaker 5: And Deborah, which I agree with you, the first thing
- 30:50Speaker 5: I suit they show her in the silhouette and you're like, oh, okay,
- 30:53Speaker 5: here's the insider that wants to be hidden, and she's like, well,
- 30:56Speaker 5: like like that is a one voice. I'm like, you
- 30:59Speaker 5: should have did way more, bro, you must've there's no.
- 31:02Speaker 2: They should have at least done like a caption and
- 31:04Speaker 2: then had like the computer read what she was saying.
- 31:07Speaker 1: But it was like, anyway, y'all.
- 31:08Speaker 2: Down there and on that, and it was like, oh man,
- 31:11Speaker 2: someone knows exactly who this lady is, because I.
- 31:14Speaker 4: Was like, I wouldn't I would know that person from that.
- 31:17Speaker 5: But she also explains that they basically only test five
- 31:21Speaker 5: full chickens and five parts like five buckets aparts or whatever,
- 31:26Speaker 5: like how they systematic.
- 31:27Speaker 2: So she's like, per month they checked five chickens per
- 31:31Speaker 2: they process three hundred thousand per day, but they only
- 31:35Speaker 2: check five chickens in a full month to give the
- 31:40Speaker 2: qualification of whether or not their birds have salmonilla.
- 31:44Speaker 5: And that's where like, uh, they go back to Sandra Iskins,
- 31:48Speaker 5: which is I think she was the USDA secretary, and
- 31:53Speaker 5: then Frank Yittis he was the FDA. I might get
- 31:57Speaker 5: him flip floped, but there, I mean, they go back
- 32:00Speaker 5: and forth, but they start showing you that like they're like,
- 32:02Speaker 5: there's fifteen agencies that are in charge of food and
- 32:06Speaker 5: then they.
- 32:07Speaker 4: Go back they're like, well, what are you in charge
- 32:09Speaker 4: of FDA? That's not me.
- 32:11Speaker 5: I'm only eggs, And I think it was beef and
- 32:14Speaker 5: certain other things USDA.
- 32:15Speaker 4: No, USDA is the beef, and I.
- 32:18Speaker 1: Got I got it written down here. This one was
- 32:20Speaker 1: actually interesting.
- 32:20Speaker 2: So USDA regulates meat, poultry, eggs, and catfish, like very
- 32:26Speaker 2: specifically catfish, but that's only twenty percent of the food supply.
- 32:32Speaker 2: The other eighty percent is FDA. So FDA does everything
- 32:36Speaker 2: that's not meat, poultry, eggs, or catfish.
- 32:40Speaker 5: And then they show you a little funny breakdown as
- 32:42Speaker 5: they're going through this of someone making a taco, and
- 32:46Speaker 5: they illustrate they're like this me boom, USDAA this part
- 32:50Speaker 5: FDA like, and all the che it.
- 32:52Speaker 1: Was the beef is USDA.
- 32:54Speaker 2: The cheese and the veggies and the sauce that goes
- 32:57Speaker 2: on it, that's all FDA. The person making the taco
- 33:01Speaker 2: itself and regulating whether they're clean the kitchen and they
- 33:04Speaker 2: wash their hands, that's the local health department. So for
- 33:08Speaker 2: that one taco, if you were to get sick, technically
- 33:11Speaker 2: it's regulated by three different organizations. But if you actually
- 33:16Speaker 2: get sick, it's just like the Spider Man meme where
- 33:18Speaker 2: they're all pointing at each other, right, it's like, well,
- 33:21Speaker 2: it could have been the beef, so that means that
- 33:23Speaker 2: the USDA slipped, or it could have been the lettuce,
- 33:26Speaker 2: that means the FDA slipped. Like it's really impossible to
- 33:30Speaker 2: regulate any of this stuff or properly figure out where
- 33:33Speaker 2: it goes because the system is set up so that
- 33:36Speaker 2: everyone can blame a next person.
- 33:39Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's this perfect setup.
- 33:41Speaker 5: It's like that's how I think that's the thing that
- 33:42Speaker 5: we don't unravel enough in America.
- 33:44Speaker 4: It's like that's kind of how the thing goes, Like.
- 33:46Speaker 5: FBI, CIA, local police department, whose fault is it?
- 33:50Speaker 4: And it's constantly pointing the fingers.
- 33:52Speaker 5: They kind of start going after the lobbyist, right, they
- 33:54Speaker 5: show the National Chicken Council and they're like they it
- 33:57Speaker 5: grows four hundred and twenty thousand dollars to lobbyists, and
- 34:02Speaker 5: North American Meet Institute two hundred and forty thousand k
- 34:05Speaker 5: to lobbys, National Cattlemans Beef Association four hundred k. And
- 34:10Speaker 5: you're like, yeah, but this is not When people point
- 34:13Speaker 5: this out, I'm like, there's lobbyists for everything, like good
- 34:17Speaker 5: or bad, right, you, the only way is to grease
- 34:19Speaker 5: the wheel. So even if we wanted to like get
- 34:22Speaker 5: something on the ballot. We're not gonna just go walk
- 34:25Speaker 5: up to one of these politicians and they're gonna be like,
- 34:26Speaker 5: you know what, paranoid American Sean, You're absolutely right, I'm
- 34:30Speaker 5: gonna put this on the floor. But if I go
- 34:32Speaker 5: give them fifty grand, they might go, hey, you know what,
- 34:34Speaker 5: this is gonna help my next reelection and keep me
- 34:36Speaker 5: getting money. Maybe I'll consider doing something like that, so
- 34:40Speaker 5: it's not that baffling.
- 34:42Speaker 4: And then they kind of go for the.
- 34:43Speaker 5: Former uh you she was the undersecretary undersecretary. Yeah, the
- 34:50Speaker 5: titles to me are just outrageous, man, Like, I'm like,
- 34:53Speaker 5: this doesn't even make sense, like the ones that's a
- 34:54Speaker 5: counsel of the but mindy barshers received. They were going
- 34:59Speaker 5: through and they're talking about like, well, would you eat this,
- 35:02Speaker 5: would you eat that?
- 35:03Speaker 4: What do you think of the food safety?
- 35:04Speaker 5: And she's like it's great, And then they started hitting
- 35:06Speaker 5: I do like when they hit them with questions that
- 35:08Speaker 5: they might necessarily like or they're like, well, what do
- 35:12Speaker 5: you think about like the research you did, like the
- 35:14Speaker 5: people that you know help fund it.
- 35:15Speaker 4: You think there's a conflict of interest And.
- 35:17Speaker 5: She's like, no, you know what, She's like absolutely not
- 35:21Speaker 5: like I'm a scientist, Like, why would I compromise my
- 35:25Speaker 5: science for them? And you're like, and then it goes
- 35:27Speaker 5: through the list of how much they you know, for grants,
- 35:31Speaker 5: and and she iterate reiterates of like, well, you know,
- 35:33Speaker 5: this money is not.
- 35:34Speaker 4: Going to me. It's not my personal money.
- 35:37Speaker 5: And that's where I maybe am I maybe I'm just
- 35:39Speaker 5: over conspiracy or I just don't trust people. But when
- 35:42Speaker 5: she said that, I'm like, Oh, you definitely got some
- 35:44Speaker 5: of that money and you're pocketing.
- 35:47Speaker 2: She got that money, and her colleagues got that money,
- 35:50Speaker 2: and the university she works at, you know, got that money.
- 35:55Speaker 2: It employs her. So in that way, yeah, it's it
- 35:58Speaker 2: wasn't the grants go directly into her pocket, but some
- 36:01Speaker 2: of it goes into her pocket. And I do feel
- 36:04Speaker 2: that this was the point when the politics of Netflix
- 36:09Speaker 2: started showing themselves leaning a little bit because this lady
- 36:13Speaker 2: is the bad guy because you know, she's in politics
- 36:16Speaker 2: and she obviously got her palms greased a little bit
- 36:20Speaker 2: by lobbyists and stuff. But then they show like another
- 36:23Speaker 2: like purple haired Democrat lady that's like the liaison with
- 36:27Speaker 2: the FDA, and she's kind of like the good guy
- 36:29Speaker 2: you know, she's the one doing it right, and they
- 36:31Speaker 2: don't really get into like her dirt as much. So,
- 36:34Speaker 2: but for the most part it does seem politically neutral,
- 36:38Speaker 2: except for this tiny little bit where they go a
- 36:41Speaker 2: little bit harder on one side than they do on
- 36:45Speaker 2: the other side, even though I'm sure there's kind of
- 36:47Speaker 2: fault to go around, but they show that one of
- 36:50Speaker 2: the things that they were trying to do to actually
- 36:53Speaker 2: change law. And this one was also kind of blowing
- 36:56Speaker 2: my mind a little bit. So in nineteen oh six,
- 36:59Speaker 2: there was a book from Upton Sinclair called The Jungle.
- 37:02Speaker 2: It was a fictional book, but it was about people
- 37:04Speaker 2: getting sick from the food supply. And this book became
- 37:07Speaker 2: so popular that the government decides to create the FDA
- 37:12Speaker 2: over a book.
- 37:13Speaker 1: Right, this that part blew my mind, Like some dude
- 37:15Speaker 1: writes a book, and.
- 37:16Speaker 2: Everyone's like, we have to write laws because something in
- 37:20Speaker 2: this book might happen. So FDA forms and seventy years later,
- 37:25Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four was like the biggest one they put out.
- 37:28Speaker 2: It was called American Public Health Versus Butts, And what
- 37:33Speaker 2: they basically decided in here was that they could have
- 37:37Speaker 2: just made for chicken. They could have just made salmonilla
- 37:40Speaker 2: illegal the same way that I'm not allowed to put
- 37:42Speaker 2: like rap poison in candy and then sell the candy,
- 37:46Speaker 2: right because it's illegal to do that. They were like,
- 37:49Speaker 2: let's just make salmonilla legal. You're not allowed to sell
- 37:51Speaker 2: chicken anyone if it's got samonilla and sound it sounds smart, right,
- 37:55Speaker 2: It's just like you just banned the thing you're not
- 37:57Speaker 2: allowed to sell, and now private in has to figure
- 38:00Speaker 2: out a way to like not include salmonil on their chicken.
- 38:03Speaker 2: But in this court case, they essentially ruled that the
- 38:07Speaker 2: average housewife knew how to prepare and cook chicken, and
- 38:11Speaker 2: therefore the responsibility to not get your family sick rested
- 38:16Speaker 2: on the housewife and not on the actual industry where
- 38:19Speaker 2: the salmonilla was being introduced to begin with. Because the
- 38:22Speaker 2: other part too, it's not like you can just take
- 38:25Speaker 2: a clean piece of chicken and then if you leave
- 38:28Speaker 2: it out like it just attracts salmonilla. It comes from feces.
- 38:31Speaker 2: It comes from chickens being raised around feces and rotten
- 38:36Speaker 2: corpses and death and like decay. Right, that's where the
- 38:39Speaker 2: salmonila comes from. So like it's not like a housewife
- 38:43Speaker 2: doing something wrong, like oops, I cut it wrong.
- 38:46Speaker 1: Now there's salmonila on the chicken. It doesn't work that way.
- 38:49Speaker 2: But the whole premise is that the law from nineteen
- 38:52Speaker 2: seventy four on has been baked around making the consumer responsible.
- 38:56Speaker 2: So the FDA is there to try and catch it,
- 38:59Speaker 2: the USDA is there try and catch it, and then
- 39:01Speaker 2: you've got like a local health enforcement. All of those
- 39:04Speaker 2: guys are supposed to catch it. But really, if it
- 39:07Speaker 2: gets through all three of those, it's your fault as
- 39:09Speaker 2: a consumer for not handling it well and for not
- 39:13Speaker 2: cooking it well. But in other countries they were just like,
- 39:16Speaker 2: you know what, samonilla's band, you're not allowed to sell
- 39:18Speaker 2: salmonilla and that salt. They I mean solved it entirely. No,
- 39:22Speaker 2: but it's said that it dropped it like to one
- 39:25Speaker 2: in five or something or like dropped it, you know,
- 39:28Speaker 2: like eighty percent across the board once they implemented that.
- 39:31Speaker 2: But that we're not going to do that because every
- 39:33Speaker 2: time it comes up in the US, the lobbyists, aside
- 39:37Speaker 2: from the donations they make, but they make good points
- 39:40Speaker 2: of this is going to raise the cost of chicken
- 39:42Speaker 2: even more. Do you want that on your record, you know,
- 39:45Speaker 2: mister congressman that like you're the one that just made
- 39:48Speaker 2: burgers go up another two dollars apiece.
- 39:51Speaker 5: And I thought it was interesting too, because you're the
- 39:54Speaker 5: analogy they got me is kind of a hot take, right.
- 39:57Speaker 4: It's something I've always thought about too.
- 39:58Speaker 5: When you go to a restaurant in miss Chicken is
- 40:00Speaker 5: one of the where I'm living right now is one
- 40:02Speaker 5: of the states where if you're a server, you're getting
- 40:05Speaker 5: paid like what three bucks an hour or something like that, right,
- 40:07Speaker 5: and you're expected as the consumer to pay for the employee,
- 40:12Speaker 5: which I mean technically when you buy a meal, you're
- 40:14Speaker 5: kind of like paying for the employee, but you're like,
- 40:16Speaker 5: buy your meal plus can you do some extra and
- 40:19Speaker 5: it's not incorporated in the price that it's just expected
- 40:22Speaker 5: for you to tip them well enough that they're able
- 40:24Speaker 5: to keep this job.
- 40:25Speaker 4: And then like you have all these servers online that are.
- 40:28Speaker 5: Like if you can't afford tip, don't go out right,
- 40:30Speaker 5: and you're like why why is it put on me
- 40:33Speaker 5: as the consumer? But the business guy's like, ah, yeah, dude,
- 40:36Speaker 5: I can afford them, bro, But like they're not that
- 40:38Speaker 5: they're making handover fist, right, I understand the whole like
- 40:41Speaker 5: for small kitchens and stuff, but it almost felt the
- 40:43Speaker 5: same way to me, whether like it's on the consumer
- 40:46Speaker 5: and we could just ban and stop it, but nobody
- 40:49Speaker 5: wants to step in that in front of that bullet
- 40:51Speaker 5: where it's like, well I might look bad, right, like
- 40:54Speaker 5: like you said, if if oil prices go up, if
- 40:56Speaker 5: chicken goes up, and I made a decision like the
- 40:59Speaker 5: chicken shit that most politicians are in my opinion, and
- 41:02Speaker 5: then they start to go into like what can like
- 41:05Speaker 5: government do right, They're like, there's their hands are tied
- 41:08Speaker 5: these agencies that are tied differently, so when an outbreak
- 41:11Speaker 5: happens usually you don't know until people have died, until
- 41:14Speaker 5: many people are sick, like what's the preventatives that we
- 41:16Speaker 5: can do, and like how do we push forward? And
- 41:19Speaker 5: then they start getting really on this like legislation that
- 41:22Speaker 5: they want to push through like you said that they've
- 41:24Speaker 5: done in England and other countries where they're like we're
- 41:27Speaker 5: banning salmonila completely, like where it's illegal and you can
- 41:32Speaker 5: get in trouble for all this, and they kind of
- 41:34Speaker 5: like go back to Riley Edwards's father who was talking
- 41:41Speaker 5: in the beginning, and this was the jack in the
- 41:43Speaker 5: box incident.
- 41:44Speaker 4: Where he is now like making money.
- 41:47Speaker 5: I will say, right, because obviously he's not doing he's
- 41:49Speaker 5: public speaking.
- 41:49Speaker 4: I'm not saying you can't make money off of it.
- 41:51Speaker 5: But now he's found a career after from his child's death,
- 41:54Speaker 5: which is always ironic to me as well.
- 41:56Speaker 4: But I do know that that makes you an advocate, right.
- 41:59Speaker 5: It passions, it drives you because it gives you this
- 42:02Speaker 5: hate towards this situation. I thought it was funny that
- 42:05Speaker 5: they he mentions, he's like, you know, we got this
- 42:07Speaker 5: this agency, this agency, this agency, all these regulations, and
- 42:11Speaker 5: it's still happening, like it's not stopping, like there's nothing
- 42:15Speaker 5: in the way. It's continuous to happen. What are we
- 42:18Speaker 5: going to do about it? And that's when they're all
- 42:21Speaker 5: kind of combined together talking about like we need legislation,
- 42:24Speaker 5: we need government to do more, which was ironic to
- 42:27Speaker 5: me because you're like, well, it seems like the regulation
- 42:30Speaker 5: and the bigger government is kind of dropping the ball.
- 42:33Speaker 5: And it's like bigger government and bigger corporation mashing chickens
- 42:37Speaker 5: together and then just having like, hey, there's twelve million
- 42:40Speaker 5: chickens we hatch a day. Can you check one guy?
- 42:44Speaker 5: Can you check these three facilities every like for a month?
- 42:47Speaker 5: Like there's it's impossible. You're giving them an impossible task.
- 42:51Speaker 1: And again they're they're supposed to see salmonella and E.
- 42:54Speaker 2: Coli with their eyeball somehow, which is it blows my
- 42:58Speaker 2: mind that that's the role a lot of these guys
- 43:00Speaker 2: are doing, so all this money going for that. And
- 43:02Speaker 2: then to wind back to that Purdue guy right when
- 43:05Speaker 2: he was like, you know, one in five is an anomaly.
- 43:09Speaker 2: So they go out and they buy exactly how many
- 43:11Speaker 2: he says wouldn't be an anomaly. They test one hundred
- 43:14Speaker 2: and fifty different chickens, and out of those one hundred
- 43:17Speaker 2: and fifty chickens, twenty six had salmonilla, which is about
- 43:21Speaker 2: seventeen percent, So that's roughly one in five, which was
- 43:25Speaker 2: the exact same ratio that they had originally hit him with.
- 43:30Speaker 2: And at this point I was and looked to see
- 43:34Speaker 2: the chicken that I had marinating in the fridge. Oh,
- 43:36Speaker 2: I was like, where does my grocery store get its
- 43:38Speaker 2: chicken from? And it was easy to find and sure enough,
- 43:41Speaker 2: it comes from one of the two different farms that
- 43:43Speaker 2: were on There wasn't Purdue. It was like Tyson and
- 43:45Speaker 2: Pilgrims or something, or Sanderson farms. But sure enough it
- 43:49Speaker 2: came from one of those two places. And it seems
- 43:52Speaker 2: that the actual solution for some of this, I mean
- 43:56Speaker 2: from like me on my armchair, like, oh, here's how
- 43:59Speaker 2: you run the food you would supply your dummies, right,
- 44:02Speaker 2: But that they seem to be paintings some obvious solutions.
- 44:05Speaker 2: For example, here's one thing that blew my mind is
- 44:08Speaker 2: that they were like at one point to like, forget
- 44:11Speaker 2: about chicken, forget about beef, and forget about eggs, but
- 44:14Speaker 2: you really need to be worried about is lettuce like that?
- 44:17Speaker 2: And and vegetables and fruits.
- 44:21Speaker 5: Right, specifically romaine lettuce. They said number one deadliest thing
- 44:25Speaker 5: on the list.
- 44:26Speaker 2: And this one blew my mind too, that the undersecretary
- 44:29Speaker 2: of the USDA, the lady that had her voice hidden,
- 44:32Speaker 2: the people that didn't have their voice hidden, they go
- 44:34Speaker 2: and they ask them all these and they all say
- 44:36Speaker 2: romain lettuce, like that's the one to stay away from.
- 44:38Speaker 2: And the reason it seems, again it seems from my standpoint,
- 44:43Speaker 2: like such an obvious fects. But the reason that romain
- 44:46Speaker 2: lettuce is so dangerous is only because it's grown across
- 44:51Speaker 2: the irrigation canal from where all the cows manure is
- 44:54Speaker 2: making its way into the water. So if you just
- 44:58Speaker 2: don't have cow manure like right next to the water
- 45:01Speaker 2: supply that's spraying on the romain lettuce, it almost feels like, hey, guys,
- 45:05Speaker 2: problem solved. And then the other part was that there's
- 45:09Speaker 2: only two places in the country that essentially grow romaine
- 45:13Speaker 2: lettuce at scale, and those two places shipped to the
- 45:16Speaker 2: entire world Japan, Australia, Europe, everywhere. Like, if you got
- 45:20Speaker 2: romain lettuce, there's a good chance either came from somewhere
- 45:23Speaker 2: in California or it came from Yuma, Arizona, I think,
- 45:28Speaker 2: And that that's where If what happens is that if
- 45:30Speaker 2: the newer manure makes it into the irrigation and the
- 45:34Speaker 2: irrigation sprays it on thousands and thousands of lettuce, well
- 45:38Speaker 2: now everyone's lettuce across the entire world.
- 45:42Speaker 1: Everyone's been compromised. And that happened. There was an example
- 45:45Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, I think, and.
- 45:48Speaker 5: It was.
- 45:51Speaker 2: Spinach, and basically it was like spinach across the country
- 45:56Speaker 2: was bad. You couldn't you didn't want to put spinach
- 45:58Speaker 2: on everything that's happened with like lettuce recalls too, And
- 46:01Speaker 2: that was one of these other examples of a kid
- 46:04Speaker 2: that got sick, didn't die, but now has kidney failure
- 46:07Speaker 2: and is gonna be on dialysis for the rest of
- 46:09Speaker 2: her life.
- 46:10Speaker 1: It was because she ordered like a salad at.
- 46:12Speaker 2: Panera and the and the Panera happened to have put
- 46:16Speaker 2: romaine lettuce from one of these recalls into her salad.
- 46:19Speaker 2: And it's again it's like you went you went out eating,
- 46:22Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm gonna be healthy today. You know,
- 46:24Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get that burger, I'm not gonna get
- 46:26Speaker 2: that chicken peda. I'm gonna get a nice little healthy salad.
- 46:29Speaker 2: And again, like everyone across the board in this documentary,
- 46:33Speaker 2: it's like, if there's one thing that you're telling people
- 46:36Speaker 2: they should not eat, what is it?
- 46:37Speaker 1: And they're like, romain lettuce, do not eat Romain lettuce.
- 46:49Speaker 4: Hidden treasures in Overboard moments.
- 46:53Speaker 5: There is like I don't lie, I don't know if
- 46:55Speaker 5: it's really a hidden treasure because it's kind of disgusting.
- 46:57Speaker 5: But some of the hidden treasure was like being able
- 46:59Speaker 5: to get a look inside these factories. But it was
- 47:01Speaker 5: also like an overboard for me because I'm like I
- 47:04Speaker 5: don't want to know, Like I'm with you, like I'm
- 47:06Speaker 5: trying to be wilfully ignorant, like I'm sure, like I
- 47:08Speaker 5: was gonna tell you when you were like, yeah, I
- 47:10Speaker 5: checked where my chicken was from, you were like, thank god,
- 47:12Speaker 5: not Purdue. I'm sure Tyson's great, right, I'm sure that's
- 47:16Speaker 5: why they weren't in the film, Like that's how I
- 47:18Speaker 5: was looking at it too, like, well, my food doesn't
- 47:20Speaker 5: come from that specific one, so it's probably good.
- 47:23Speaker 2: Well, and you would never know, man, because they can't, like,
- 47:26Speaker 2: depending on who's got the lowest bid on any day
- 47:29Speaker 2: of the week, that's where it's coming from. It's not like,
- 47:32Speaker 2: you know, my my grocery store is using Purdue er
- 47:35Speaker 2: Tyson because they think it's you know, the better of
- 47:38Speaker 2: all the options. It was like four cents cheaper abound.
- 47:41Speaker 2: So and here's the other thing too, the hidden treasures
- 47:44Speaker 2: for me, like they're not really like great, they're not
- 47:47Speaker 2: things that I'm happy about. But I don't know if
- 47:52Speaker 2: I can order rare burgers at restaurants ever. Again, just
- 47:56Speaker 2: because The only solution that they say is he ordered
- 47:59Speaker 2: a temperature, and it shows them going into a restaurant
- 48:02Speaker 2: and he sits down like, oh, would you like, sir,
- 48:03Speaker 2: And he's like, I'll have a hamburger cook to a
- 48:06Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty five degrees fair And I'm just thinking, bro,
- 48:08Speaker 2: if you've ever worked at it, you know how what
- 48:11Speaker 2: happens when that server goes back into the kitchen. You're like,
- 48:14Speaker 2: this asshole wants this cook to exactly one hundred, Like
- 48:18Speaker 2: you're getting spitt in there, You're getting like a little
- 48:20Speaker 2: bit of hair in there.
- 48:21Speaker 4: You're thinking salmonella. Then right, they're gonna be like, so.
- 48:27Speaker 2: The solution is really it sounds like cook it yourself
- 48:31Speaker 2: up to one hundred and fifty five. Or if you
- 48:33Speaker 2: ever want a rare burger, you better be buying yourself
- 48:36Speaker 2: like a surloin steak and grinding it yourself and then
- 48:39Speaker 2: cooking it rare yourself. And that's really the only safe
- 48:44Speaker 2: way to do it. And maybe you get ekola. And
- 48:46Speaker 2: then there's another point that they make in this too,
- 48:48Speaker 2: that so many people think about food poisoning of like, oh,
- 48:52Speaker 2: your tummy hurts for a couple of days, you know,
- 48:54Speaker 2: you got your fart a little bit, maybe you have diarrhea,
- 48:57Speaker 2: and like, okay, everyone goes through that. Not if you
- 48:59Speaker 2: get one of these organ failure strains of ecali and
- 49:04Speaker 2: that that's truly is the lottery. Like you're already playing
- 49:07Speaker 2: the shit lottery whether or not you're gonna get sick.
- 49:09Speaker 2: But if you if you really win that lottery, then
- 49:12Speaker 2: you probably can die from it.
- 49:14Speaker 5: And I would also think too, right, that some of
- 49:16Speaker 5: these strains you catch, like you can have like some
- 49:19Speaker 5: immunity to or over because you know, everybody's body is
- 49:21Speaker 5: a little bit different. I don't know that that to
- 49:23Speaker 5: be the case, but I would think that if you
- 49:25Speaker 5: had food poison a few times, maybe you build up
- 49:26Speaker 5: a tolerance too, Like maybe each person it affects differently. Right.
- 49:30Speaker 5: They don't go into detail of that because they're more
- 49:33Speaker 5: just like look at what they're doing to your food,
- 49:36Speaker 5: like the whole time.
- 49:37Speaker 2: Like well, like one of those examples is like the
- 49:40Speaker 2: like the egg recall, like fifty six thousand people got sick,
- 49:45Speaker 2: but like nine people died and when and we're talking
- 49:48Speaker 2: about they said something I think like four hundred people
- 49:52Speaker 2: across the entire United States per year about four hundred
- 49:56Speaker 2: people die from like one of these like ecal e
- 49:59Speaker 2: or like the salmonella cases. So overall it's still like
- 50:03Speaker 2: a tiny little minutia of people, but it's such a
- 50:06Speaker 2: solvable problem, or it's at least a problem that's been
- 50:09Speaker 2: identified and one of the other the hidden treasures, or
- 50:12Speaker 2: at least like the guy that's been like, I've been
- 50:15Speaker 2: doing this my entire life, and he said that I
- 50:18Speaker 2: thought that if you cost this industry enough money, like
- 50:21Speaker 2: if they just keep losing lawsuit after lawsuit for thirty years,
- 50:26Speaker 2: at a certain point they're going to be like, all right,
- 50:28Speaker 2: let's make this better. And he's like, and that hasn't happened,
- 50:31Speaker 2: Like they they will just keep losing money and nothing's
- 50:34Speaker 2: going to really solve this. So like a little bit
- 50:37Speaker 2: of a black film moment at the end, but it's
- 50:39Speaker 2: rare that you get such kind of like honesty and
- 50:42Speaker 2: reflection in one of these documentaries.
- 50:44Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of it was for me that just
- 50:47Speaker 4: showing the numbers.
- 50:48Speaker 5: I like to see the numbers of like, oh, there's
- 50:51Speaker 5: the wheels being greased.
- 50:52Speaker 4: Like now.
- 50:53Speaker 5: I I had some like mainly my hidden treasures, I
- 50:57Speaker 5: had more overboard moments than hidden Treasure, because I have
- 51:00Speaker 5: one major overboard moment and it's not like they necessarily
- 51:03Speaker 5: did it. It's just like they're beating this drum to
- 51:06Speaker 5: me that they're like, I'm like, do you not see
- 51:09Speaker 5: that part of the problem is that we have too
- 51:12Speaker 5: much government regulation like I don't, and they don't seem
- 51:15Speaker 5: to think that, because as soon as they're getting towards
- 51:18Speaker 5: the end of the film, I'm like, Okay, they're gonna
- 51:20Speaker 5: come out and be like, hey, we have too much.
- 51:22Speaker 5: Maybe we take out some of these agencies and give
- 51:24Speaker 5: more responsibility, or we break this up, or we do
- 51:26Speaker 5: this better. No, they're like, we need more government, and
- 51:29Speaker 5: I'm like, what, Like, these are the same people like
- 51:33Speaker 5: the blue hair Lady. I think you shared a meme
- 51:35Speaker 5: with me, you know, Like they're they're against raw milk,
- 51:37Speaker 5: they're against small farms. They want to eliminate this, and
- 51:41Speaker 5: I'm like it seems to be that the problem is
- 51:43Speaker 5: these major corporations, these almost monopolies of these industries are
- 51:50Speaker 5: just plowing through everybody and these small farms are like
- 51:53Speaker 5: the ones that they're like, well, that's where you could
- 51:54Speaker 5: get salmonella, and it's like, well, but that's not where
- 51:56Speaker 5: we're getting it from.
- 51:57Speaker 4: Like maybe the guy that has.
- 51:59Speaker 5: His chickens and he only has fifty, maybe it's better
- 52:01Speaker 5: for me to buy it from him. Not that I
- 52:03Speaker 5: can't get sick, right, I'm all this stuff can happen
- 52:06Speaker 5: no matter what. But I think that the illusion would
- 52:08Speaker 5: be trying to go and diversify and like break up
- 52:11Speaker 5: these huge corporations that we're getting all of our products from.
- 52:15Speaker 1: I guess yeah.
- 52:16Speaker 2: The overboard for me, her name is Rose Delaro, and
- 52:20Speaker 2: if you were to see a picture of her, you've
- 52:22Speaker 2: you've likely seen her before. It's usually in like some
- 52:25Speaker 2: meme where she's losing her shit over something, right.
- 52:29Speaker 1: It's usually like, look, this is how liberal women act.
- 52:32Speaker 1: Like that's that's usually where you'll see her from. And man,
- 52:35Speaker 1: I mean.
- 52:37Speaker 2: The overboard for me was like, how dare this documentary
- 52:42Speaker 2: have me find common ground with this clearly delusional lady?
- 52:46Speaker 2: But like she's making some sense? And it was And
- 52:49Speaker 2: it was funny because as we I'm watching this documentary
- 52:52Speaker 2: the very next day, the top headline that I'm seeing
- 52:55Speaker 2: on like on all the social media and all the articles,
- 52:58Speaker 2: it's that this lady with the purple Rose Deloro, that
- 53:02Speaker 2: she's yelling at RFK Junior because this certain farm that
- 53:07Speaker 2: sells unpasteurized milk, and apparently there was salmonilla detected in
- 53:11Speaker 2: like two versions of the cheese that went out, like
- 53:14Speaker 2: this cheddar cheese that went out.
- 53:15Speaker 1: It was like unpasteurized, and the.
- 53:17Speaker 2: Company has a voluntary recall that they can do, and
- 53:22Speaker 2: they were deciding to not voluntarily recall it. So she's
- 53:25Speaker 2: kind of demanding, like, you know that it should be
- 53:28Speaker 2: recalled and that they shouldn't be allowed to sell this.
- 53:30Speaker 2: But again, it's so crazy to see that she's not
- 53:35Speaker 2: in this clip. She's not necessarily saying you're not allowed
- 53:38Speaker 2: to buy unpasteurized milk and you're not allowed to eat
- 53:41Speaker 2: unpasteurized cheese. It's like this very specific outbreak, like, hey,
- 53:45Speaker 2: this company clearly had salmonilla in this batch and it's
- 53:49Speaker 2: out in the wild and you will get sick if
- 53:52Speaker 2: you eat it from this batch, and they should be
- 53:53Speaker 2: forced to at least recall it since we know that
- 53:56Speaker 2: the salmonilla is out there. And then it's like she
- 53:59Speaker 2: doesn't want me to drink my unpasteurized milk, and that
- 54:02Speaker 2: might also be true, but it doesn't necessarily mean that
- 54:05Speaker 2: that's what she was freaking out about at that exact moment.
- 54:09Speaker 2: And it also doesn't mean that I agree with her
- 54:11Speaker 2: on anything else other than a tiny little localized version
- 54:16Speaker 2: of hey, company X sold salmonilla infected things in this
- 54:21Speaker 2: exact batch. Let's go ahead and recall that batch, like
- 54:24Speaker 2: they should be forced to recall that since we know
- 54:27Speaker 2: that it's contaminated. That doesn't seem like it should be
- 54:30Speaker 2: a weird bipart is an extreme political take, but it
- 54:33Speaker 2: does just because she's also like anti Trump and anti
- 54:37Speaker 2: Republican and pro LGBT, and like, hey, it comes bundled
- 54:41Speaker 2: with all this, So now there's this weird aspect of like, well,
- 54:45Speaker 2: if I want pro purple hair, then I have to
- 54:47Speaker 2: be anti you know, unpasteurized milk. And it's that that part.
- 54:52Speaker 2: As I'm watching this, I'm like, if this purple haired lady,
- 54:55Speaker 2: if she's the bat like the thing that we're resting
- 54:58Speaker 2: on to solve this praple like we are way more
- 55:01Speaker 2: screwed than I thought going into this documentary. If she's
- 55:05Speaker 2: going to be the hero of this movie.
- 55:07Speaker 5: Because you're right, because it's like that's how government should
- 55:11Speaker 5: be more in my opinion, playing the role of so
- 55:13Speaker 5: if you're like, hey, if you're going to play a
- 55:15Speaker 5: role of forcing the recall. But and then people mix
- 55:18Speaker 5: it up the messages where it's like, okay, yes they
- 55:20Speaker 5: could force a recall because it's a bad product, bro,
- 55:22Speaker 5: Like this is something that you can get behind. But
- 55:25Speaker 5: what they internalize it as like, oh, they're coming after
- 55:29Speaker 5: raw milk only, and you know these small farmers, because
- 55:33Speaker 5: then they're like, well, when they regulate, then they're gonna
- 55:35Speaker 5: give them like you know people to go to their
- 55:36Speaker 5: farms and it's going to cost them money on their dime.
- 55:39Speaker 4: Which is the part we don't like.
- 55:40Speaker 5: So it's like this mixed bag where the internal problem
- 55:44Speaker 5: should be simple, like to solve it, like it should
- 55:47Speaker 5: be like, hey, that's bad meat, that's bad cheese, that's
- 55:50Speaker 5: bad milk, recall.
- 55:51Speaker 4: It, take it off the shelves.
- 55:52Speaker 5: You got to eat the loss, and it's not because
- 55:55Speaker 5: then it's like we want you to take it off
- 55:57Speaker 5: the shelf, and now we're going to use that whether
- 55:59Speaker 5: the Purple hell Lady is behind everything. Other people in
- 56:02Speaker 5: that were gonna rally be like yeah, then that's why
- 56:04Speaker 5: we should get rid of the Aumish milk. And that's
- 56:06Speaker 5: what it's like. You can't just like see things for
- 56:09Speaker 5: what it is. It's like this was a bad batch.
- 56:11Speaker 5: Go make them take it off the shelves, go through it,
- 56:14Speaker 5: and if there's another bad bat, you gotta play it
- 56:17Speaker 5: that way. But instead they're gonna be like, now we
- 56:18Speaker 5: gotta put an agent inside each of these farms and
- 56:21Speaker 5: they gotta test each of this. And you're like, well,
- 56:23Speaker 5: this guy only has fifty chickens. You're gonna be able
- 56:26Speaker 5: to check them all and as to your point, you're
- 56:27Speaker 5: not gonna see anything on them.
- 56:29Speaker 4: Are you gonna put them all under a microscope? And
- 56:32Speaker 4: like how many tests can you do?
- 56:34Speaker 5: I know for sure you could test it till you're
- 56:37Speaker 5: blue in the face and be like, yeah, this tested
- 56:39Speaker 5: negative and that can still have salmonilla.
- 56:41Speaker 4: Right, You're not gonna get everything. It's just gonna happen.
- 56:44Speaker 4: And it's just mixed bag.
- 56:45Speaker 2: For me.
- 56:46Speaker 5: That is so confusing because they do lean a little
- 56:48Speaker 5: bit left in this documentary, But I will give them
- 56:50Speaker 5: props that they did not go full fledge LBGTQ plus
- 56:55Speaker 5: YMZ like all this like crazy far left. They kind
- 56:59Speaker 5: of like dans in that middle. It almost was like
- 57:01Speaker 5: a traditional liberal mixed with a little bit of progressiveness. Right,
- 57:05Speaker 5: you had a little bit of the progressiveness, but it
- 57:07Speaker 5: didn't go too far in it.
- 57:09Speaker 4: But they didn't really give me any solutions. That was
- 57:11Speaker 4: my problem.
- 57:12Speaker 5: Is like, Okay, the only solution is we get I
- 57:16Speaker 5: didn't mind the one right it makes salmon ala illegal.
- 57:19Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, that that kind of makes sense. But
- 57:22Speaker 5: there wasn't enough for me. Tos like let's rain in
- 57:25Speaker 5: these agencies. Obviously these agencies are bloated, they're not getting
- 57:30Speaker 5: their job done, they're not efficient.
- 57:31Speaker 4: Why are we wasting our money on it? Like, let's
- 57:34Speaker 4: reel them in.
- 57:34Speaker 2: Imagine imagine the fallout of say like since Trump is
- 57:39Speaker 2: president at this curt moment, Trump comes out and he's like,
- 57:42Speaker 2: I've shut down the FDA, I've shut down the USDA.
- 57:45Speaker 2: It would be pure pandemonium. But also let's say that
- 57:49Speaker 2: like President Kamala comes in, which she will that'll be
- 57:51Speaker 2: the next president. And Kamala comes in and she's like,
- 57:54Speaker 2: I'm shutting down the FDA. Is well, obviously that part
- 57:56Speaker 2: wouldn't happen because there's like it right, Like that would
- 58:01Speaker 2: be the whole like make America healthy again thing would
- 58:04Speaker 2: be shut down the FDA in USDA, but it's so politicized.
- 58:09Speaker 2: But we've already seen from the insider and from even
- 58:12Speaker 2: the people that are advocating for government intervention, they're all
- 58:16Speaker 2: across the board like, Yeah, the USDA is a complete
- 58:19Speaker 2: waste of money. We're wasting hundreds of millions of dollars
- 58:22Speaker 2: to just have a guy that's asleep half the time
- 58:25Speaker 2: that check a box that's absolutely doing nothing. And I
- 58:28Speaker 2: think that I don't know if there is an answer,
- 58:30Speaker 2: like this documentary can't really give you the answer that
- 58:33Speaker 2: The thing that I did like the most was that
- 58:36Speaker 2: they went and they asked. This is the biggest hidden
- 58:38Speaker 2: treasure for me is they went and they asked every
- 58:41Speaker 2: single person that had a strong opinion in this documentary
- 58:44Speaker 2: like what do you avoid?
- 58:46Speaker 1: What foods do you avoid?
- 58:48Speaker 2: And we already mentioned romaine lettuce, So let's take that
- 58:51Speaker 2: one out of the running. Like that was like the
- 58:52Speaker 2: number one answer, But the other ones blew my mind.
- 58:56Speaker 2: I was not expecting, So I'm not gonna make you guess.
- 58:59Speaker 2: So here the ones that I thought blew my mind.
- 59:02Speaker 2: One was canilope, and they make a good example why.
- 59:05Speaker 2: It's because the outside of a canilope, it's got it's
- 59:08Speaker 2: like a rough texture, so if bacteria or something makes
- 59:11Speaker 2: its way inside that texture, you're not washing that off.
- 59:14Speaker 2: It's like up inside the nooks and the crannies. And
- 59:16Speaker 2: then when you go and cut it with your knife,
- 59:19Speaker 2: that knife is just pushing that bacteria all up along
- 59:22Speaker 2: the inside of the fruit. And then even if you
- 59:25Speaker 2: wash the outside of the fruit, it could be up
- 59:26Speaker 2: inside the fibers. So the second that a candilope is contaminated,
- 59:31Speaker 2: you can't really get to the inside of that candelope
- 59:34Speaker 2: without contaminating the rest of it. And you don't cook candalope,
- 59:36Speaker 2: So cantalope is off the menu. And definitely it sounds like.
- 59:40Speaker 2: The next one were bean sprouts because a lot of
- 59:44Speaker 2: people just buy the bean sprouts and they throw it
- 59:46Speaker 2: on their sal and they eat it raw, and there's
- 59:48Speaker 2: no way to wash them. There's really no way to
- 59:51Speaker 2: like cook them, like you're eating them raw, So don't
- 59:54Speaker 2: eat bean sprouts.
- 59:55Speaker 1: And the one that.
- 59:56Speaker 2: Blew my mind the most was bagged lettuce, and it
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: because the back of it says, you know, safe to eat,
- 1:00:02Speaker 2: like pre washed. You're like, oh, if there's one type
- 1:00:06Speaker 2: of lettuce that I can rely on, it's probably that
- 1:00:08Speaker 2: bag stuff because they probably like spray the hell out
- 1:00:11Speaker 2: of it and they make sure it's clean, not bro
- 1:00:13Speaker 2: It's the exact same concept as you don't want to
- 1:00:16Speaker 2: buy a hamburger at a restaurant because that hamburger could
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: have four hundred cows in it. Well, that bag lettuce
- 1:00:21Speaker 2: could have four hundred different chances that cal feces made
- 1:00:25Speaker 2: their way into that bag lettuce. And that was across
- 1:00:29Speaker 2: the board. Every single person was like, I will not
- 1:00:32Speaker 2: eat bag lettuce. If I do eat any lettuce, it's
- 1:00:35Speaker 2: not romaine. And even then you're like washing each individual
- 1:00:39Speaker 2: like piece of lettuce off and just hoping that you
- 1:00:41Speaker 2: knock the salmonilla off of it.
- 1:00:44Speaker 5: And it sucks because I like cannilope and I buy
- 1:00:46Speaker 5: the bag salads a lot for work, Like I just
- 1:00:48Speaker 5: grab one, you know, and I'm like, ah, dude, man,
- 1:00:52Speaker 5: But they didn't say about cabbage, so maybe cabbage is
- 1:00:54Speaker 5: the way to go. But then also spinach was right there,
- 1:00:57Speaker 5: so I'm like, maybe cabbage is next on the list
- 1:00:59Speaker 5: that we're gonna get it.
- 1:01:01Speaker 2: Honestly, I think the the least risky is probably that
- 1:01:05Speaker 2: butter lettuce, because if you look, it's always aeroponic or
- 1:01:08Speaker 2: like the Boston lettuce, it's usually aeroponically grown, so there's
- 1:01:11Speaker 2: probably even a less chance that there's a freaking cow
- 1:01:14Speaker 2: next to it. But again, bro, like, the solution seems
- 1:01:17Speaker 2: fairly easily. Don't allow cowmanre to be outside of fertilizer.
- 1:01:22Speaker 2: That's like being us of grown, but don't have active
- 1:01:25Speaker 2: cowshit within like a five mile radius of where you're
- 1:01:29Speaker 2: growing vegetables or romain lettuce. But apparently we're not there yet.
- 1:01:33Speaker 5: It's almost like we're in an idiocracy and they're just
- 1:01:35Speaker 5: water in the fields with brondo, right, and they're like, yeah, dude,
- 1:01:37Speaker 5: but it's what plants grave.
- 1:01:40Speaker 2: And I'm just legitimately, would you ever go to a
- 1:01:42Speaker 2: restaurant and be like, yeah, I'll have my burger cook
- 1:01:45Speaker 2: to exactly one hundred and fifty five degrees fahrenheit please?
- 1:01:48Speaker 5: And what about the one doe that after he said that,
- 1:01:51Speaker 5: he was like, and if they say no, walk out, no.
- 1:01:54Speaker 2: No, you know, he said, if they say no, you
- 1:01:55Speaker 2: order something else, like you better walk out. You know, Hey,
- 1:02:00Speaker 2: the guy from the table that wanted one hundred and
- 1:02:02Speaker 2: fifty five degree, here's his next order, right, Like you're
- 1:02:05Speaker 2: you've marked yourself as being a pain in the ass
- 1:02:07Speaker 2: at that point.
- 1:02:11Speaker 4: It's about that time think or swim.
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: This one I got to give a swim to because
- 1:02:21Speaker 2: it really did change my view on things. It like
- 1:02:24Speaker 2: reinspired me to treat chicken like a toxic hazard. That
- 1:02:30Speaker 2: it is all over again. I probably won't ever buy
- 1:02:33Speaker 2: bag lettuce again. I mean it costs more anyways, right,
- 1:02:36Speaker 2: bag lettuce, you're paying the premium because you're like, I
- 1:02:39Speaker 2: don't have to wash it off. I could just pop
- 1:02:41Speaker 2: it out and start eating it. And that's not the case.
- 1:02:44Speaker 2: So like this this documentary, I feel like it siofed me.
- 1:02:48Speaker 2: Like maybe all this is fake, right, Maybe romaine is
- 1:02:50Speaker 2: like the healthiest lettuce out there and they just don't
- 1:02:52Speaker 2: want us eating it because it makes us healthy and
- 1:02:55Speaker 2: they want to destroy us. Right, So it's an impossible
- 1:02:58Speaker 2: to tell. But I do believe that the USDA inspectors
- 1:03:02Speaker 2: are just wasting hundreds of millions of dollars and we
- 1:03:05Speaker 2: could probably get rid of all of them and wouldn't
- 1:03:09Speaker 2: really see a difference other than food maybe getting cheaper.
- 1:03:11Speaker 2: But I also don't think that would happen, right, Like,
- 1:03:14Speaker 2: even if you were to remove that and technically the
- 1:03:16Speaker 2: process gets cheaper. People at the top are like, eh,
- 1:03:19Speaker 2: people are used to paying twelve dollars a pound for chickens,
- 1:03:21Speaker 2: so like who cares if he goes up or down? Like,
- 1:03:24Speaker 2: let's just keep that extra, like I'll pocket it.
- 1:03:27Speaker 4: And I'm gonna have to agree on you with this one.
- 1:03:29Speaker 5: I gave it a swim, even because I thought they
- 1:03:31Speaker 5: did a good job of not letting their politics, because
- 1:03:33Speaker 5: it's very evident through this that they've a lot of
- 1:03:36Speaker 5: these people have a certain political belief right, and I
- 1:03:39Speaker 5: thought the film did a very good job of not
- 1:03:41Speaker 5: letting that seep too much into the film, like where
- 1:03:44Speaker 5: it wasn't like yeah and Trump did it, like you
- 1:03:46Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like you could tell a lot
- 1:03:48Speaker 5: of the people probably are not a big fan of Trump, right.
- 1:03:50Speaker 2: And it would be hard to because this is this
- 1:03:52Speaker 2: covers like thirty years of politics that have failed people.
- 1:03:55Speaker 2: So it's impossible to point the finger because it spans
- 1:03:58Speaker 2: all thirty of those years.
- 1:04:00Speaker 5: And with all these different agencies involved, and they give
- 1:04:03Speaker 5: me enough information not just about the lobbyist, which we
- 1:04:05Speaker 5: know about, and I'm just gonna be more trying my
- 1:04:09Speaker 5: best to go to localized farmers' markets, but I know
- 1:04:13Speaker 5: I can still catch it. But at least I'll feel
- 1:04:15Speaker 5: good that I can go like, hey, Billy, Bob, you
- 1:04:17Speaker 5: got me sick.
- 1:04:18Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like I can know the
- 1:04:19Speaker 4: guy that got me sick.
- 1:04:22Speaker 5: Instead of having to look up online like who's the
- 1:04:25Speaker 5: CEO and like what did he do?
- 1:04:26Speaker 4: Because with these.
- 1:04:27Speaker 5: Like USDA and FDA agents, I think that people forget
- 1:04:32Speaker 5: It's like they're just regular people like us.
- 1:04:34Speaker 4: We've all worked with crappy people, bro.
- 1:04:37Speaker 5: I've just been in most industries that are not with food, right,
- 1:04:40Speaker 5: Like I've seen people do hydraulic pumps or car parts
- 1:04:44Speaker 5: or different things like that, and I'm like, oh, I
- 1:04:45Speaker 5: wouldn't drive that car, right, Like I'm not happy about
- 1:04:48Speaker 5: that because I'm like, oh, who was on the machine?
- 1:04:50Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not buying that right.
- 1:04:52Speaker 5: So I'm sure it's the same thing with not just
- 1:04:54Speaker 5: the agencies but also the employees. Man, you got guys
- 1:04:57Speaker 5: that are working ten twelve hour shifts. You got they
- 1:05:00Speaker 5: didn't explain that as well, but I kind of got
- 1:05:02Speaker 5: that feeling. I don't think that needed to be said.
- 1:05:04Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, there's a lot of mishaps that happen
- 1:05:07Speaker 5: in work in general, so let's not play that. And
- 1:05:10Speaker 5: I liked how they really unfolded the industry for me
- 1:05:15Speaker 5: of seeing the two at the top, like hey, it's
- 1:05:17Speaker 5: only one big peanut place that's supplying everything.
- 1:05:20Speaker 4: There's only two.
- 1:05:21Speaker 5: Egg readers and four egg hatchers, and you're like, yeah,
- 1:05:26Speaker 5: maybe that's part of the problem. They didn't address it
- 1:05:29Speaker 5: fully for me, But I think that there's only so
- 1:05:31Speaker 5: much you can do in a ninety minute Netflix documentary.
- 1:05:34Speaker 4: You can't make super waves.
- 1:05:36Speaker 5: You're not gonna get onto the scope of things, So
- 1:05:38Speaker 5: I give it a swim.
- 1:05:39Speaker 2: I wonder how you even solve that though, Like let's
- 1:05:41Speaker 2: say you go and you're like, all right, Produce split
- 1:05:43Speaker 2: up into five, and alright, Tyson split up in the five. Like,
- 1:05:46Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily mean that they stop running what they
- 1:05:50Speaker 2: call filthy farms.
- 1:05:51Speaker 1: So it doesn't mean that any of that change.
- 1:05:53Speaker 2: It just means that now it only affects a smaller
- 1:05:56Speaker 2: group of people and a smaller radius. But like, none
- 1:05:59Speaker 2: of this is solving any of the problems. It's like
- 1:06:01Speaker 2: you tell your kid to eat their veggies and they
- 1:06:03Speaker 2: cut them up into like smaller pieces and spread them
- 1:06:05Speaker 2: around the plate. A little bit like it's like nothing
- 1:06:08Speaker 2: really changed other than the outward appearances. So I don't know, Man,
- 1:06:12Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder if there's even a solvable problem
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