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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, May 19 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May nineteen,
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Speaker 1: JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, NFL media analyst and senior writer
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Speaker 1: for Jaguars dot Com. John Osier, We'll get to the
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Speaker 1: overblown reaction to Travis et N lining up at wide Receiver.
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Speaker 1: Will continue that conversation Urban Meyer dealing with criticism. It
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Speaker 1: comes with the smallest things, that feels like these days.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to maybe his mindset on that and rookie
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Speaker 1: Camp takeaways after this past weekend. We've got a lot
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Speaker 1: to get to today. Bucky, what's up man? How he
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Speaker 1: do it? And I know you probably watched from Afar
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Speaker 1: some of the mini camp coverage on Jaguars dot Com. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was really excited. It was great to get the
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Speaker 1: reports I got. I got you tweeting out everything, keep
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Speaker 1: me up to date while I'm watching and baseball or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And then I got John's reports coming back after each
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Speaker 1: day with his takeaways. I liked it, and I like
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Speaker 1: the conversation. I like the all I was one of
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. It's funny, though, how people take little snippets
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Speaker 1: and nuggets from press conferences and they make things maybe
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Speaker 1: more than what they really should make. Maybe maybe maybe,
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Speaker 1: but they don't. Here's the thing, but can I have
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Speaker 1: a media guy, I mean his business that twenty two.
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Speaker 1: What was annoying about this one to me is Urban
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Speaker 1: never said he was moving E t N the wide receiver.
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Speaker 1: He's working him at wide receiver during a three day
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Speaker 1: rookie minicamp. When the quarterback can't hand off, there's nothing.
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Speaker 1: There's no way for him to take handoffs from. Had
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Speaker 1: he worked at running back, Because buy you played the game,
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Speaker 1: how hard is it to learn running back? Those stand
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Speaker 1: over there and I'll pitch you the ball. And I'm
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Speaker 1: exaggerating that, but it's the easiest position to learn. It's knows,
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Speaker 1: as Fred Taylor said a couple of days ago, it's
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Speaker 1: still nine instinct that position. You gotta learn plays. I
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Speaker 1: get that, you gotta learn blitz pick up when it
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Speaker 1: comes to running the book. He wasn't gonna learn blitz
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Speaker 1: pick up at the rookie minicamp. He wasn't gonna learn
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Speaker 1: how to run and how to hit the holes you
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Speaker 1: knew he was going to be a hybrid. You knew
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Speaker 1: he was gonna work on routes. And I've said this
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Speaker 1: a million times this week. When did you want him
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Speaker 1: to start running the routes? Bucky Labor Day, Veterans Day.
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Speaker 1: Now is the time to start doing that. It made
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Speaker 1: perfect sense to work in there. I don't know where else.
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Speaker 1: I don't know where else you would have worked. And
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Speaker 1: how are you how is he gonna work at running back?
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Speaker 1: Like like it's funny, right? So um my initial reactually
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Speaker 1: when I saw it hit Twitter, then I folled upside
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Speaker 1: on JP time and I was like, Okay, he's getting
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Speaker 1: to work at wide receiver, he's doing this or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But then I had a memory and I think I
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Speaker 1: told you guys this the first time that I was scouting.
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Speaker 1: My first year scouting, I go to Utah Urban is
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Speaker 1: there and at the time, many are flipping the ball
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Speaker 1: and they got a wing back, a guy named Paris
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Speaker 1: Warren who ended up going to tam Bay Buccaneers, and
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Speaker 1: Paris Warren is coming in fly motion things that we
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Speaker 1: see all the time now. But I'm like, what in
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Speaker 1: the world is this? Like they're they're coming up he's
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Speaker 1: coming in motion, they're handing it to him, he's going
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Speaker 1: behind him. They're flipping them running options. They're starting one
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Speaker 1: way and running shovel passes. And that was that was
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Speaker 1: radical back then too. Now that was Yeah, it changed
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Speaker 1: guys football. And so Alex Smith is the quarterback then,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like WHOA, Like this is this is pretty cool,
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Speaker 1: Like this is creative. And then he goes to Florida
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Speaker 1: and Percy Harvin is put in that spot. He goes
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Yeah, Braxton Miller and Curtis Samuel and Paris Campbell.
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Speaker 1: The h back position in his offense is the position
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Speaker 1: for the most explosive, most dynamic playmaker. And when he's
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Speaker 1: had his way where he's been able to use multiple guys,
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Speaker 1: he'll put multiple guys in that spot. And so when
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Speaker 1: he had Jalen Marshall, who was a quarterback turn wide
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Speaker 1: receiver at Ohio State, he would be in the backfield
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Speaker 1: with some other guys and any of those guys could
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Speaker 1: take the direct snaff and do some funny things. And
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Speaker 1: so when I think about at the end, I was like, well,
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Speaker 1: this is just the first domino to drop, because when
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Speaker 1: he gets his hands on la Viscus Channa. I guarantee
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Speaker 1: that he's going to have some opportunities to touch the
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Speaker 1: ball and do that. And it's all part of a
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Speaker 1: plan that we've heard him talking about. We need big plays,
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Speaker 1: explosive plays. The only way that you really score points
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Speaker 1: in this league is you gotta be to generate explosive plays.
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Speaker 1: And so Travis Aten's experiment or experience at wide receiver
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Speaker 1: is all part of a mission to put the best
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Speaker 1: playmakers on the field at the same time to increase
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Speaker 1: the anti when it comes to hey, how can we
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Speaker 1: get these explosive plays that we need to score j
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Speaker 1: This will a little bit in the second thing of
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Speaker 1: Urban always being criticized. So I kind of took your
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Speaker 1: job away from you. I apologize. You're much better Stegway
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Speaker 1: than I am. Don't worry about it. You're fine. Um.
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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, when the forty Niners were hot,
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Speaker 1: Shanahan gets all kind of credit for being created with
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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, right, and he was a genius. Hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: look at how creative he's being. Well, that's all this
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Speaker 1: is in reverse. If this was Deebo Samuel getting some
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Speaker 1: reps at running back. Oh, look at Shanny. He he's
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Speaker 1: the guy, he's creative. Well, they're just doing this in reverse.
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Speaker 1: And if anything, they got the ideas from Meyer from
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Speaker 1: way back when. So he's being criticized for doing something
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Speaker 1: people stolen from him and getting credit for it. This
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Speaker 1: lightbulb is too bright. We can't use this anymore. So
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Speaker 1: it's Uh, here's the thing. If they had drafted Channel
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Speaker 1: this year, they'd beat doing the same thing in reverse
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Speaker 1: and everybody be saying, well, I mean last year in
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars did this with chal everybody said how creative
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Speaker 1: it was. Hey, you're putting a wide receiver using them
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Speaker 1: in different spots. Well, at some point they worked him
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Speaker 1: at different positions in practice. I guess Urban was just
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Speaker 1: silly enough to be upfront about. Yeah, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: say anything. I mean, I know I can tell, I
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Speaker 1: can tell. But here's what I would say with Travis Etienne,
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Speaker 1: and he talked about him being a space player or
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Speaker 1: matchup player. When we think about two at the time
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Speaker 1: of running backs in football, we think about Christie McCaffrey
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Speaker 1: and Alvin Kamar. Christian McCaffrey is in two clubs that
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Speaker 1: are really hard to get into hundred one thousand, hundred receptions,
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Speaker 1: one thousand yards. He did that three years ago, then
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Speaker 1: two years ago he was in one thousand, one thousand,
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Speaker 1: a thousand rushing yards and thousand receiving yards. When you
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Speaker 1: think about Travis Atien and physically how he's built man,
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Speaker 1: as much as I love him as a huner, if
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Speaker 1: you can give him six to eight catches in space,
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Speaker 1: whereas one on one, one on two, two on two
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Speaker 1: games with him and a blocker and two defenders as
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Speaker 1: opposed to having to deal with eleven on eleven, the
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Speaker 1: odds of him breaking out on the explosive plate increase
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Speaker 1: when you have fewer defenders. This could be a move
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Speaker 1: designed to not only take advantage of his receiving skills,
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Speaker 1: but to preserve him from the pounding that most running
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Speaker 1: backs take. We should think about when we get into
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Speaker 1: the regular season. Let's tally of his total touches and
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Speaker 1: his total yards from scrimmage, and if he's over a
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Speaker 1: hundred scrimmage yards, that's a really good day. Whatever the
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Speaker 1: combination of runs and catches are, can he beat McCaffrey.
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Speaker 1: But I would say he's not the route runner that
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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey was coming out of Stanford, but us it.
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Speaker 1: He does catch the ball, and if you force feed
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Speaker 1: him the ball where you throw it to him, he
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Speaker 1: certainly can make it happen. I just want you to
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Speaker 1: think about this. Leonard. For Nett, I want to say,
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Speaker 1: called seven eight or seventy nine balls his last four
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Speaker 1: season in with the Jacks, and he was more of
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Speaker 1: a checkdown option. If you put the ball in Travis
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Speaker 1: Aten's hands seventy plus times in the passing game, he
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Speaker 1: is going to have more explosive plays than for Nett had.
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Speaker 1: And so we have to think about it in those terms.
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Speaker 1: Because he can make guys miss, Leonard was not the
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Speaker 1: really the type to make guys miss. When he was
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Speaker 1: out in the space, he would try to run over guys.
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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast J P. Shaddick, Bucky
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Speaker 1: Brooks and John Osier and John you Tez did. Let's
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Speaker 1: discuss this a little bit more. The criticism that urban
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Speaker 1: Meyer takes. Now, let's real talk. This kind of goes
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Speaker 1: back to the old college days with him Florida and
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. There were some off the field things that
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Speaker 1: were fair criticisms that both of those stops. He also
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Speaker 1: want a lot of football games and both of those
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Speaker 1: stops too. Um but here so far, you know, the
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Speaker 1: crystal oil thing is the first thing. Now everybody has
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Speaker 1: a Tim Tebow opinion all of a sudden, and now
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Speaker 1: it's the e T N A wide receiver thing. There
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Speaker 1: was on ESPN on Monday, on the Get Up program
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Speaker 1: in the morning and even a little later on NFL
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Speaker 1: Live later in the day. They use those three things
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Speaker 1: together on a graphic in order to say how things
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Speaker 1: are going in Jacksonville. They have nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: each other. I think it goes back to that the
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Speaker 1: college stuff with Urban, and it's the new shiny thing
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Speaker 1: to discuss, and it will get a reaction because Urban's
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Speaker 1: name gets a reaction one way or another. And you
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Speaker 1: throw the Tim Tebow thing in there on top of it.
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Speaker 1: I think all of it, not all of it, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of it is just not even close to
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Speaker 1: accurate and it's not really fair. But I think Urban,
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Speaker 1: in his younger days, John would probably take it a
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Speaker 1: little harsher. I'm going to guess since he's a little
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Speaker 1: older and wiser now and has been through some stuff
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Speaker 1: that he's probably not as reactive to it. Uh, though
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Speaker 1: you don't want any really hammering you this early before
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Speaker 1: they even take a snap. I'm curious how he how
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Speaker 1: he takes that type of criticism when it's really just unfair. JP.
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Speaker 1: Like you, I'm not going to pretend to know Urban
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Speaker 1: well enough to know how he's going to take things internally.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't cover him in Florida. Uh, but people
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Speaker 1: I know covered with Florida and they said, look, he
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Speaker 1: really didn't get caught up a lot in what people
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Speaker 1: said or what people wrote about I just don't think
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Speaker 1: he considers it. And this is my interpretation of him,
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Speaker 1: just from being around him and talking to people about him.
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Speaker 1: He's laser focused on what's important, and to him, what's
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Speaker 1: important is you know, he talked about his sports performance,
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Speaker 1: getting this program right, building a culture, developed relationships with players,
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Speaker 1: getting the offense, getting the defense, getting the roster good
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Speaker 1: enough to go win. You know what I haven't mentioned
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Speaker 1: in that list, JP, what people are saying. You know
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Speaker 1: a lot of coaches say, well, I don't read that,
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Speaker 1: I don't listen to sport. Let's talk. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what you guys are saying about him. Most coaches who
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Speaker 1: say that are are disingenuous about it. I kind of
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Speaker 1: get the idea that Urban really doesn't care that much,
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Speaker 1: you know, And I guess why should he. He's he
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Speaker 1: went like, he went nine and one in college, he
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Speaker 1: won up team national championships. He has a right to
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Speaker 1: be confident in what he's doing, only he's bothered by it.
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Speaker 1: But I do think you're exactly right the criticism and
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Speaker 1: all this stuff. The common sports fan, the common football fan,
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Speaker 1: is sort of pre programmed to criticize Urban Meyer. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't smile a whole lot, he wins too much. In college,
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Speaker 1: he was sort of the coach that was easy to dislike,
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Speaker 1: sort of like say that when you win that much,
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Speaker 1: it's easy to dislike you because you're the villain. You're
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Speaker 1: beating everybody's team. So I think people are predisposed to
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Speaker 1: not like an Urban very much. And uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: I guess it's a Jaguars podcast. I would say the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars fans, who cares? He's your guy? I just don't
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Speaker 1: think he cares that much. And I don't think Chris
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter that much. But I do think that's where
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Speaker 1: it stems from. Bucky. Oh, it absolutely stems from that.
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Speaker 1: For the casuals, as they're called they they look Urban
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Speaker 1: Meyer hurts them because he is a guy that comes
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Speaker 1: from the college game and was the ultimate winner. He
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Speaker 1: wanted every place and not only did they win, they
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Speaker 1: won big and they want an impressive fashion. And so
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Speaker 1: when you see a guy who Urban being Urban as
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Speaker 1: an ultimate confident guy who talks about with these catchphrases
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Speaker 1: and the ultimate competitor and plus two and A two
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Speaker 1: B four to six, all those things that have been
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Speaker 1: central parts of his program, people are like, wow, like
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Speaker 1: Charlie Brown's teacher, right, And so they get tired of
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Speaker 1: and so they want to see him. They want to
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Speaker 1: see him fail, and they want to be able to
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Speaker 1: say like, see, he couldn't make it, uh, Nick Saban
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Speaker 1: couldn't make it, and those things. And so it becomes
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Speaker 1: that the Chris Door thing look gave those fans an
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Speaker 1: opportunity or those who want to see him fail, an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of talk about a this is the
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Speaker 1: big Boys lead man. You can't do what you did
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Speaker 1: in college. You can't do that. The Tim Tebow thing
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Speaker 1: is really look putting two polarizing forces together. When you
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Speaker 1: have Tim Tebow and all the stuff that comes along
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Speaker 1: with him, with Urban Meyer being who he is, all
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Speaker 1: of that kind of it comes together because I thought
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Speaker 1: there was another story that was overblown based on what
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Speaker 1: it really is and what it could be if he signs,
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Speaker 1: you know, and so it's one of those things. But
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Speaker 1: what I would say Jaguars fans and everybody else is
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Speaker 1: for so long that Jaguars have always been like the underdog.
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Speaker 1: There hasn't been a lot of winning over the last decade,
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Speaker 1: and so it's natural to take that take on that
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Speaker 1: mantra a with the underdog, with the little engine that
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Speaker 1: could and all that. Urban doesn't see himself like that,
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Speaker 1: and the Jaguars aren't going to see themselves like that.
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Speaker 1: So we all have to kind of flip from being
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Speaker 1: like the little field good story to kind of be
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Speaker 1: in the villain. And so I'm okay with that because
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Speaker 1: even though we're still is the primary, Like I don't
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Speaker 1: mind we're all black and be in the bag. I'm
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Speaker 1: okay JP. You know what, I kind of fit into
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Speaker 1: that as a college can college football fan, as a
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Speaker 1: casual college football fan. You know me, we talked football,
14:21
Speaker 1: I followed I followed college football enough to know I
14:23
Speaker 1: wish there was more defense, and I kind of like
14:26
Speaker 1: watching it to figure out the players you're coming to
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Speaker 1: the league. I'm not an avid college football fan, but
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. For ten years, I sort of rooted
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Speaker 1: against Ohio State because I wasn't a big urban mind,
14:36
Speaker 1: you know, as a casual fan. I looked at this
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Speaker 1: guy and said, he's he's Darth Vader. He and I
14:43
Speaker 1: didn't like or dislike urban Am I saying that, but
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Speaker 1: it's easy to root against him. And I kind of
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Speaker 1: rooted against Ohio State because I don always Semire win
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Speaker 1: another win, another national championship. I don't want to see
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Speaker 1: Saban win another one. I root against Bama JP, even
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Speaker 1: though I like you sometimes, but it's uh, here's the thing, though,
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Speaker 1: Here's what's important in all this. As you get to
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Speaker 1: know urban Meyer a little bit, and and as you
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Speaker 1: get to watch him up close, you realize why he's
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Speaker 1: been good at places, you realize why he wins. There's
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Speaker 1: an incredible conviction and a confidence in knowing what's right.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't really care if he thinks it's right. He's
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Speaker 1: not gonna sway based on public opinion. I don't think
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Speaker 1: saving is either. I don't think most great coaches do.
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Speaker 1: I certainly like him more, in respect him more from
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Speaker 1: seeing him how he operates. And it's not just because
15:31
Speaker 1: the same guy signs are checks that I have. I
15:34
Speaker 1: have a real respect for how he goes about it.
15:36
Speaker 1: I like guys in those positions who don't listen to noise,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think he listens to noise. I think
15:42
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. It's unwavering, Bucky, because and and
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Speaker 1: for guys like that, for Saban at Alabama and for
15:50
Speaker 1: urban at Ohio State and now here in Jacksonville, those
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Speaker 1: kind of guys that have done it, that have a
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Speaker 1: track record of building like that, you have to give
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Speaker 1: them full autonomy, ease to the castle to be able
16:02
Speaker 1: to make sure that their processes are working well. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the way this thing is start. It's the culture,
16:09
Speaker 1: it's the process, it's everything, whatever term you want to
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Speaker 1: use for it. That's the only way these guys can
16:15
Speaker 1: really put together their programs. Yeah, it is the only
16:18
Speaker 1: way they can put together the program. And that's why
16:20
Speaker 1: it's so important for those guys that are making the
16:23
Speaker 1: move from college to the pros. Then they're giving the
16:26
Speaker 1: opportunity to build their proteins like they were able to
16:29
Speaker 1: build their college powerhouses, and so for Urban Mari, they
16:32
Speaker 1: have complete autonomy, to have complete control over the football operations.
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Speaker 1: It had to be like that so he could fully
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Speaker 1: put in his plan, and we can say a lot
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Speaker 1: like The one thing that I know about coach Meyer
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Speaker 1: is we have seen him put in this plan at
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Speaker 1: multiple places and it's worked, So why wouldn't it work? Now?
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Speaker 1: From Bowling Green to Uta out of Florida to Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: he has one. He's won quickly, and so the expectation
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Speaker 1: is that the Jaguars are gonna win. And so my expectations,
17:02
Speaker 1: you're gonna see him walk through full of confidence for
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Speaker 1: the swagon, full of all of that stuff. Because also
17:08
Speaker 1: remember this, it's not only um, the media and all
17:13
Speaker 1: of us on the outside looking at coachmor in terms
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Speaker 1: of how he carries himself. His players, who have not
17:18
Speaker 1: experienced a lot of winning are also looking at that.
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Speaker 1: And so how he carries himself will give them a
17:26
Speaker 1: blueprint for how they're supposed to carry themselves. And I
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Speaker 1: think he always knows that he is on and he
17:33
Speaker 1: is being looked at, and that's why I don't think
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Speaker 1: he really bristles at all of that other stuff because
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Speaker 1: he wants to show the same focus that he's demanding
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Speaker 1: and how does it end? Meaning how quickly can he
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Speaker 1: adapt to thinking about the game from a collegiate standpoint
18:47
Speaker 1: to an NFL standpoint, And really it will come down
18:50
Speaker 1: to those division games, right, like, how how much can
18:55
Speaker 1: we close the gap on our division rival, so the
18:57
Speaker 1: Coast and the Titans, because ultimately to go to the
18:59
Speaker 1: play off, the quickest way is to win the division.
19:02
Speaker 1: And so what does it look like when we play
19:05
Speaker 1: those division games? So I'm really curious to see what
19:07
Speaker 1: it looks like down the stretch after Trevor Lawrence settles
19:10
Speaker 1: in and we play down the end and see just
19:13
Speaker 1: what it looks like. It would be competitive enough to
19:15
Speaker 1: maybe Chris for a five hundred records or better? What
19:18
Speaker 1: does this team look like as he adjust and acclimates
19:22
Speaker 1: to the pro game. We heard some things this is
19:25
Speaker 1: unrelated to the Jaguars, but Titty Bridgewater talked about the
19:28
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers practice schedule and how they were going, and
19:31
Speaker 1: I think the thing that stood out to me is
19:34
Speaker 1: they just didn't pay enough tention to situations. And the
19:38
Speaker 1: college game is not as much situational football as the
19:41
Speaker 1: pro game. Because most games in the NFL are decided
19:45
Speaker 1: about eight points a fewer. The college game isn't like that,
19:48
Speaker 1: and with fewer total players in the game. Every player
19:51
Speaker 1: has more importance in every situation increases in terms of
19:56
Speaker 1: the number of the amount of pressure can coach Meyer
19:59
Speaker 1: on a stand at and Kenny get better at that
20:02
Speaker 1: part of it? As his rookie season as a coach, well,
20:05
Speaker 1: Bucky said, how does it start? And has it in
20:07
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how it ends. It is in the
20:08
Speaker 1: damn Super Bowl is how it ends. So let's get
20:14
Speaker 1: that serious. It's to your point about the situations. I'm
20:19
Speaker 1: gonna guess that that has been a huge conversation over
20:23
Speaker 1: the years between Urban and Belichick, and they're close. Uh
20:28
Speaker 1: you know. My guess is because Belichick is so good
20:32
Speaker 1: at that, and I'm I'm sort of freewheeling a little
20:33
Speaker 1: bit there. I don't I know nothing about their relationship,
20:36
Speaker 1: but my guess is, if you ask Belichick what the
20:39
Speaker 1: most important thing they do, it's probably situational. They're so
20:43
Speaker 1: good at that. Uh, They've won super Bowls based on
20:45
Speaker 1: that when they may not have had the better team
20:48
Speaker 1: because they're so good at it. My guess is, as
20:51
Speaker 1: much as Urban learned from talking to people over the
20:54
Speaker 1: years how to prepare for this job, I would be
20:57
Speaker 1: surprised if the emphasis on situations wasn't at the top
21:02
Speaker 1: of his list of the things that, as you said,
21:05
Speaker 1: maybe not quite as important in college to paramount in
21:07
Speaker 1: the NFL. I've got to think that was the first
21:09
Speaker 1: thing Belichick told him and has told him over the
21:12
Speaker 1: over and over the years, if he's being honest. Now,
21:14
Speaker 1: maybe Bill kept that from conference because you know, the
21:18
Speaker 1: same conference. Maybe you didn't want him to know there's
21:21
Speaker 1: crafty like that. But you know, that's definitely a huge
21:26
Speaker 1: point that he'll need to adjust to. But I'm thinking
21:30
Speaker 1: that will be a big part of it. Yeah, it's
21:31
Speaker 1: funny get ship that John like and listening uh to
21:34
Speaker 1: old Urban my interviews, he talks about those things, and
21:38
Speaker 1: he talks about like what everyone, if you want to
21:40
Speaker 1: be a great situational football team, the first thing you
21:43
Speaker 1: have to do is you gotta master the part of
21:45
Speaker 1: not beating yourself, and not beating yourself consists of eliminating
21:50
Speaker 1: the priest penalties, like really limiting the turnovers the big
21:56
Speaker 1: place that you're allowing in terms of don't let the
21:58
Speaker 1: ball fly over your head when the turnover battle, those things,
22:01
Speaker 1: and so he certainly is preached that he's talked about
22:04
Speaker 1: that at the collegiate level now is taking what you
22:07
Speaker 1: talk about and making sure throughout the practice week and
22:10
Speaker 1: in games that you implement it and you're able to
22:13
Speaker 1: play situational football. The one thing that might help him
22:17
Speaker 1: more than some other collegiate coaches that have made the jump.
22:20
Speaker 1: Irban Meyer was in charge of the special teams at
22:23
Speaker 1: every spot that he was like as the head coach,
22:26
Speaker 1: he coached the special teams, and anyone will tell you
22:30
Speaker 1: that special teams coaches have to be on it when
22:33
Speaker 1: it comes to situations because they managed the game from
22:36
Speaker 1: afar there the bridge between offense and defense and those things.
22:40
Speaker 1: And so if he takes that same approach where not
22:44
Speaker 1: that he's necessarily running the special teams, but that same
22:47
Speaker 1: mindset where it's always about managing the game and controlling
22:50
Speaker 1: the game, he'll be fine when it comes to the
22:52
Speaker 1: situations after he plays a handful of games in the
22:55
Speaker 1: regular season and also in the preseason. This the Huddle
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Speaker 1: Up Podcast, J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Oser, Glad
23:01
Speaker 1: you've joined us today. The Dailies Place schedule continues to
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Speaker 1: coming Wednesday, September that's a flashback to the late nineteen
23:27
Speaker 1: nineties and Alice Cooper with Ace Freely Saturday, October nine.
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Speaker 1: John Osan will be at that one. Tickets at Daily's
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Speaker 1: Place dot com. Welcome to my nightmare, John School for
23:40
Speaker 1: summer data data. My good friend from college, Steve Sitaris,
23:46
Speaker 1: was the most mammoth Alice Cooper fan. I never really
23:50
Speaker 1: got it until later in life, but uh, I like
23:54
Speaker 1: the idea of Alice Cooper. I like it there's an
23:56
Speaker 1: Alice Cooper in the world because he yeh, he changed
23:59
Speaker 1: a lot, and he's got to be pushing what mid
24:02
Speaker 1: seventies now, you gotta be right. Ace Freely was the
24:04
Speaker 1: elite guitarist by the way, eighteen times about five. Bucky
24:12
Speaker 1: has no idea what we're talking about right now. I
24:15
Speaker 1: can just tell you that I've heard the names, but
24:17
Speaker 1: if you press me on a song, I would have
24:20
Speaker 1: to call a lifeline. If this was one of those tributess,
24:23
Speaker 1: I would I would need a lifeline some mill. But
24:26
Speaker 1: I've heard the name, and I'm sure if I heard
24:28
Speaker 1: the song, I'll be like, Okay, yeah, I've heard one
24:30
Speaker 1: or two it or something. Well, if we get you
24:31
Speaker 1: in town Saturday, October nine, we will go to the
24:34
Speaker 1: show at Daily's place, and we will introduce you to
24:37
Speaker 1: Alice Cooper. Yeah, Alice Cooper. I suppose they're not binge
24:43
Speaker 1: watching documentaries lately. I suppose it is a terrific guy.
24:46
Speaker 1: Couldn't be more down to earth sports fans. Yeah, it's
24:51
Speaker 1: a great golfer. And uh, I think I got sober
24:54
Speaker 1: playing golf, you know, is a story within. So I'd
24:58
Speaker 1: love to meet Alice Cooper. I don't you know he's
25:00
Speaker 1: uh maybe maybe he feels the same way about me.
25:03
Speaker 1: J Maybe he's sitting there. I can't wait a week.
25:05
Speaker 1: I can't wait to meet John. Maybe he's one of
25:08
Speaker 1: the ghost emailers on your ozone you never know, the
25:12
Speaker 1: Q and A stuff. Maybe we'll have him on the pod,
25:14
Speaker 1: you know, Maybe we'll just have him on this concert
25:17
Speaker 1: and lucky you'll get introduced. Um, let's let's get some
25:21
Speaker 1: takeaways from Rookie Mini Camp and Bucky. As we said earlier,
25:24
Speaker 1: you're watching from afar um. Trevor is a real deal,
25:28
Speaker 1: even with one arm right now. It just looks a
25:30
Speaker 1: little different with him, and there's a presence about him. Yes,
25:34
Speaker 1: it was a slower rookie mini camp, but there's a
25:37
Speaker 1: reason he is who he is. They were limiting him.
25:40
Speaker 1: No snaps from center, no handoffs, as we've of course
25:43
Speaker 1: noted a pitch count for him, but they're more concerned
25:45
Speaker 1: about that other stuff instead of the throwing arm. That's fine.
25:49
Speaker 1: It says everything you want in the press conference to
25:51
Speaker 1: that's all those boxes are checked. Urban Meyer raved about Walker,
25:55
Speaker 1: little John six seven, body fat, and you could tell
26:00
Speaker 1: he's got a presence about himself too. Let's see him
26:03
Speaker 1: though against veterans and in pads, but so far John
26:06
Speaker 1: Urban loves him. Yeah. I didn't be honest to see
26:09
Speaker 1: that much from anybody else. And we were out there
26:12
Speaker 1: fifty five minutes. Uh Cisco wasn't out there to failely
26:15
Speaker 1: wasn't out there, Jordan Smith. I don't how much're gonna
26:18
Speaker 1: see from a pass rusher in this situation, but I
26:22
Speaker 1: was glad somebody asked Urban about Walker Little. I was
26:25
Speaker 1: going to because he's the most intriguing guy in the
26:28
Speaker 1: draft class to me outside Trevor Lawrence, because you keep
26:32
Speaker 1: looking at the measurables on this guy. How good he
26:36
Speaker 1: was in the Pac twelve as a sophomore. When you
26:39
Speaker 1: see his body, Bucky, I'm not going to compare him
26:42
Speaker 1: to Basely, because Bassely was otherworldly. He's best player I
26:45
Speaker 1: ever covered him and Fred Taylor but Well and Peyton,
26:49
Speaker 1: but I put him up there with those guys. But
26:51
Speaker 1: Walker Little. Bassellly never looked uncomfortable in his body, meaning
26:56
Speaker 1: he looked like at six seven, three twenty you remember
27:00
Speaker 1: he moved like a wide receiver. He wasn't as fast
27:03
Speaker 1: as that. But the point is when you walked in
27:04
Speaker 1: the practice field, I always told people was about to selling.
27:06
Speaker 1: If you walked in the practice field and looked a
27:08
Speaker 1: bit at him across the practice field he was standing alone,
27:11
Speaker 1: you weren't sure that he wasn't a tight end or
27:13
Speaker 1: a defensive end or a line He was proportional. He
27:17
Speaker 1: didn't have to grow into being a left tackle. He
27:19
Speaker 1: he was put on this earth to play the position.
27:21
Speaker 1: He was a natural three fifteen Walker little sort of
27:24
Speaker 1: feels that way to me too, and I think that matters.
27:27
Speaker 1: I think the great ones look comfortable doing it, and
27:31
Speaker 1: Urban or Trent, I'm not sure which one set it
27:32
Speaker 1: after the draft, but talked about how he makes hard
27:35
Speaker 1: things look easy at his position. That matters at that spot,
27:39
Speaker 1: it's not unnatural for him to punch, it's not unnatural
27:42
Speaker 1: for him to step back. I just think this kid
27:44
Speaker 1: might be really, really good. I know that's weird saying
27:47
Speaker 1: that after one or two mini camp practices, but all
27:50
Speaker 1: the boxes keep being checked for this guy. Now, it's
27:53
Speaker 1: funny that you bring that up. You talk about his size.
27:56
Speaker 1: I think it's really important when you think about his size. Know,
27:59
Speaker 1: we talk about UM last podcast, Jordan Smith, the pastors
28:04
Speaker 1: from you a b who had come by way of
28:07
Speaker 1: Florida and all that other stuff. UM and maybe Irvan
28:11
Speaker 1: got this from Nick Saban. Nick Saban has a saying
28:14
Speaker 1: that I've I've heard many teams adopt where it came
28:18
Speaker 1: from Belichick. They talked about there's a reason why I'm boxed,
28:21
Speaker 1: and you have different weight classifications, and that you don't
28:24
Speaker 1: put middle weights in with heavyweights, and that if you
28:27
Speaker 1: have a team for the heavyweights at some point those
28:30
Speaker 1: little guys getting knocked out the ring. The one thing
28:33
Speaker 1: that I've talked about is not only did they go
28:35
Speaker 1: and get big school guys? Do they not only get
28:38
Speaker 1: four and five star guys, but you can see the
28:41
Speaker 1: size and you're going to see a team that when
28:44
Speaker 1: look I know, inside college, but when they walk off
28:46
Speaker 1: the bus, they don't look like they're supposed to look. Now,
28:50
Speaker 1: getting into play is one thing, but they're going to
28:52
Speaker 1: look the part. And when you talk about Walker a
28:55
Speaker 1: little and some of the other guys like Travis Etienne
28:57
Speaker 1: looking quick and fast and explosive, Trouble Lawrence looking like
29:01
Speaker 1: a prototypical franchise quarterback, the Jaguars are quickly remaking themselves
29:07
Speaker 1: into one of those prototype teams. And so if they
29:11
Speaker 1: keep assembling and collecting a bunch of heavyweights, where you're
29:15
Speaker 1: gonna have a big, old, physical, heavyweight football team that's
29:19
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go toto toe with some of
29:20
Speaker 1: those physical teams that exist in AFC and to fairly
29:23
Speaker 1: sort of fits that too, doesn't. I mean, he's a
29:25
Speaker 1: prototy nose tackle. I mean and by the way, John
29:31
Speaker 1: I saw to fairly walking through the hall on Friday
29:33
Speaker 1: on the way after practice. We couldn't want It's like, okay,
29:37
Speaker 1: he is a large human being. He's six to which
29:40
Speaker 1: is you know, I'm taller and he is. But I
29:42
Speaker 1: mean he is a load. Now that's the same thing.
29:44
Speaker 1: He's not puffed up. It is just a broad human being.
29:48
Speaker 1: And JP, I don't know if you remember back in
29:51
Speaker 1: thirteen when the Jaguars went to play in London, Yes,
29:54
Speaker 1: how much bigger and stronger they loved when they ran
29:57
Speaker 1: out on the field. It's like the you fending NFC champions,
30:01
Speaker 1: they had just gone to the Super Bowl, running out
30:03
Speaker 1: of one tunnel and here comes the little college Jaguars
30:06
Speaker 1: coming out of the other. Looked at it and that's
30:12
Speaker 1: not everything. But I think to Bucky's point, it don
30:15
Speaker 1: feels like it's going to be that kind of a team. Again,
30:17
Speaker 1: that's not everything. That doesn't automatically win your games. Maybe
30:21
Speaker 1: frames what they're gonna be. So here's another thing, right
30:26
Speaker 1: those two thousand and thirteen point nine is that you
30:28
Speaker 1: talked about they were coached by Jim Harbaugh, coming from college,
30:32
Speaker 1: coming from Stanford. Thinking about the way that those Stanford
30:35
Speaker 1: teams used to beat them up, like guys always leave
30:39
Speaker 1: clues in terms of how they're going to build their team.
30:42
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor built the forty nine is much like you
30:44
Speaker 1: built Stanford. I would anticipate erber Meyer building his teams
30:48
Speaker 1: like he built up Florida and Ohio. Stayed big, physical
30:52
Speaker 1: with fast guys on the perimeter. Who is the GM
30:54
Speaker 1: of those teams? I can't remember, oh Man, let's see that.
31:02
Speaker 1: I'm a denominator. Yeah. And by the way, the in
31:06
Speaker 1: that game, it was forty two to ten was the
31:08
Speaker 1: final score with forty Niners over the Jaguars, and they
31:12
Speaker 1: scored on the first four possessions, all touchdowns. It was
31:16
Speaker 1: twenty eight nothing right out of the gate San Francisco
31:20
Speaker 1: because they decided it. And welcome to Wimbley, Holy Molly.
31:26
Speaker 1: That was a long day. Let's get to our final
31:29
Speaker 1: nuggets today on the program, the Jaguars made a trade
31:32
Speaker 1: today with the Eagles. They acquired cornerback Jameson Houston and
31:36
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick from Philadelphia in exchange for cornerback
31:41
Speaker 1: Josiah Scott. He was a draft pick last year for
31:43
Speaker 1: the Jags in the fourth round, so some later round
31:46
Speaker 1: corners here, Bucky, nothing really to write home about at
31:50
Speaker 1: least on paper. Let's see what this does though. Yeah,
31:52
Speaker 1: nothing to write home round. But I think what you're
31:54
Speaker 1: seeing is, and we've seen this, the new regime is
31:58
Speaker 1: moving away from some of the regimes players when it
32:01
Speaker 1: came to draft, and so this happens, you can see
32:04
Speaker 1: a lot of turnover, a lot of guys that were
32:06
Speaker 1: holdovers uh in previous years, they will no longer be there,
32:10
Speaker 1: and so this team would definitely have an Urban Meyer
32:14
Speaker 1: Trent baky Field. We've talked about the heavyweights, we talked
32:17
Speaker 1: about the speed component, we talked about more big school
32:19
Speaker 1: guys that have played on bigger stages. I mean, look,
32:21
Speaker 1: I kind of call it the Warren Buffet thing. We're
32:23
Speaker 1: gonna know, it's gonna be a bunch of brand names.
32:26
Speaker 1: There won't be any of those directional schools JP that
32:28
Speaker 1: we don't know about, you know, like you go see
32:32
Speaker 1: a lot of that, and so it'll be interesting to
32:34
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. But these guys are gonna
32:37
Speaker 1: continue to turn over the bottom part of the roster
32:39
Speaker 1: because they want to up the competition and up the
32:41
Speaker 1: overall athleticism and skill level of the players. They're bringing it. Well,
32:45
Speaker 1: JP knows because they play Alabama in early September over
32:48
Speaker 1: a year direction directional schools. But yeah, THEI A Scott
33:00
Speaker 1: thing to me made sense on this level. If they
33:03
Speaker 1: look at it and say, realistically, they're going in a
33:06
Speaker 1: different direction, then you turn around and you get some
33:09
Speaker 1: sort of value for him. Uh. They clearly had thought
33:12
Speaker 1: that he was not going to be a guy they
33:14
Speaker 1: moved forward with. So whatever value you can get, you
33:16
Speaker 1: get a sixth round pick. It's a future. You've got
33:19
Speaker 1: to wait a couple of years to use it. But
33:21
Speaker 1: in in two thousand twenty three draft, you've got a
33:24
Speaker 1: sixth round pick that you know, guess what, that's not
33:28
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, which are harder to trade. You've
33:30
Speaker 1: got a little bit of value there that you can
33:32
Speaker 1: work to use as a trade if you want to.
33:35
Speaker 1: So it was fine. I don't know much about Jameson Houston.
33:38
Speaker 1: He's a guy who was a collegiate free agent who
33:40
Speaker 1: caught on the Eagles late last year. It feels to
33:42
Speaker 1: me like they see something in him that might make sense.
33:45
Speaker 1: So you figure, if you see something in a guy,
33:48
Speaker 1: you bring him in and see what he's got. Let's see,
33:50
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars have signed a couple of draft picks.
33:52
Speaker 1: That's not really huge news anymore these days because there's
33:56
Speaker 1: not a lot of negotiation to do, especially in the
33:58
Speaker 1: later rounds. So uh wide receiver Gee on Campus sign
34:02
Speaker 1: sixth rounder and fourth round defense of n Jordan's Smith
34:04
Speaker 1: have both inked their contracts. And the next big thing
34:07
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about much is the Tebow stuff. Well,
34:11
Speaker 1: it's kind of quiet and down the last few days.
34:13
Speaker 1: If it's going to happen, though, you think it's got
34:16
Speaker 1: to happen pretty soon because Phase three starts next week
34:20
Speaker 1: and they're on the field at some point. If it's
34:21
Speaker 1: gonna happen, it's gonna have to happen. What do you think,
34:24
Speaker 1: Bucky Well, I mean, he's an inbitition in his life
34:26
Speaker 1: all overports or it doesn't matter. Like when they said
34:28
Speaker 1: they can bring a man to hell, come in and compete,
34:30
Speaker 1: I mean like this is one where uh, this is
34:34
Speaker 1: all about trust and communication. Urban mar would trust that
34:38
Speaker 1: Tim Tebows will come in and put up a credible
34:41
Speaker 1: fight when it comes to carving your position for himself
34:44
Speaker 1: at tied in h back or whatever it is where
34:47
Speaker 1: they put them, and then we just gonna have to see,
34:49
Speaker 1: I would anticipate in happening in the next couple of days.
34:53
Speaker 1: Urban has talked about it happening soon. Look, man, they
34:57
Speaker 1: just had to get through the firestorm. That's why they
34:58
Speaker 1: put the chum into water kind of see what it
35:00
Speaker 1: was gonna be like. Well, now when he signs, look
35:03
Speaker 1: the uproars already over. Now we can move on to
35:06
Speaker 1: see if you can get on about his business and
35:07
Speaker 1: trying to make the football. They'll be more up forroar.
35:10
Speaker 1: But it was about to say, you better be better
35:12
Speaker 1: watched before you jump on the water. After the channel
35:14
Speaker 1: might spill a fee some sharks swimming around there, but
35:18
Speaker 1: it's fine. If you're gonna have an upfroar maze, the
35:20
Speaker 1: time to do it, and I would expect it to
35:23
Speaker 1: happen the next couple of days. That's not inside info,
35:26
Speaker 1: that's just based on this. You know that O T
35:28
Speaker 1: A s Are starting up soon. I can't imagine you
35:31
Speaker 1: would wait untill after O T S because that's when
35:32
Speaker 1: you want him in. So I got an idea for
35:34
Speaker 1: the website, John. I believe in maybe the top right
35:37
Speaker 1: you can put maybe you can put like a t
35:39
Speaker 1: bow tracker, like just the amount of days and hours
35:42
Speaker 1: before we get a Tebow siding, and then once we
35:45
Speaker 1: get him, like just a daily update of what happens,
35:48
Speaker 1: like maybe what he ate in the training table, little
35:51
Speaker 1: things like that, if there are any pictures that he's
35:54
Speaker 1: out there working out, maybe with a shirt off, all
35:56
Speaker 1: those things that are really really popular when it comes
35:58
Speaker 1: to clicks. Maybe photo essay, all of those things generate clicks.
36:02
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe something t Bow, a statistical breakdown of
36:06
Speaker 1: his practice, John every reception, every block, people, just to
36:13
Speaker 1: tell people what's going on here. Bucky Is often does
36:17
Speaker 1: this podcast while he's driving. Part part I'm part I'm
36:25
Speaker 1: flintly engaged. I could be clear. I just I just
36:33
Speaker 1: I just I just want us. I want us to
36:36
Speaker 1: be the best, and I just I just consess all
36:38
Speaker 1: of this new content that we can create around Tebow.
36:42
Speaker 1: I think you should be on the ozone podcast. Very
36:44
Speaker 1: quickly after he starts to talk about all the things
36:48
Speaker 1: that he's learned along the way playing baseball and all that.
36:51
Speaker 1: So it'd be great. I'll put it this way. Should
36:54
Speaker 1: he sign my door is at I love my microphone,
37:00
Speaker 1: So he's always well, I love it. We'll see what
37:02
Speaker 1: happens this week if it happens at all, and that
37:05
Speaker 1: will do it for the Huddle Up Podcast today. Remember
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Speaker 1: star rating and a comment. As always, for John Osier
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Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks, I'm J. P. Shadrick. We'll catch you
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Speaker 1: next week on the Huddle Up Podcast