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Ep. 572: Boiled Muskrat, Freeze-Dried, and the Table Manners of Dirt Myth · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I t E dot com. So you guys just competed
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  Speaker 1: in a shooting tournament. We did sig arc.
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  Speaker 2: Archery rifle competition and.
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  Speaker 1: You got like, how are you? How you selling it
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  Speaker 1: to people? Look like I could see saying you got
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  Speaker 1: whooped or saying you did good, and both would be
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  Speaker 1: true cause if seven, if you had seven things and
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  Speaker 1: drew a line in the middle, it'd be four yes.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what we end.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what end.
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  Speaker 2: You come fectly average.
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  Speaker 1: You count to the left, you count, you come from
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  Speaker 1: the left, you come from the right, and.
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  Speaker 2: Four yeah, but you know my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: Became meaning you came in fourth place out of seven people. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: which you're proud or sad?
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  Speaker 2: Is my microphone not working perfectly? That's what it kind
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  Speaker 2: of felt like right there.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to really makes I wanted to be very clear.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted all people, all listeners, to understand four out
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  Speaker 1: of seven.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which it took Clay and I a while to
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  Speaker 2: understand that it was right down the middle, because when
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  Speaker 2: I say four out of seven, somehow that.
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  Speaker 4: Just seems sounds like you're on the back end.
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  Speaker 2: If you had to just say something at four in
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  Speaker 2: one out of seven, I'd go low.
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  Speaker 1: But now round up. No, when you put that way,
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  Speaker 1: it well, it feels a little.
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  Speaker 2: My daughter took the Colson all the actual point breakout
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  Speaker 2: numbers one through seven, and so that my daughter took
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  Speaker 2: the numbers and did some math. I wasn't following the math,
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  Speaker 2: and she said that, like just straight score wise, we
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  Speaker 2: actually were like way higher, like we were more up
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  Speaker 2: into the top three as far as score goes than
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  Speaker 2: in the bottom three. Does that make sense, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, way, if you're at four and you went way higher,
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  Speaker 1: yeah to three, there's just a bigger way higher.
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  Speaker 2: The numbers were a lot closer in the top four
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  Speaker 2: than they were in the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps you should explain, Perhaps you should try to put
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  Speaker 1: your arms around the contest seven.
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  Speaker 3: What were you doing seven teams. Each team consists of
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  Speaker 3: three people, plus you have.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, like they call them team managers.
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  Speaker 3: Team managers, which would be kind of like a range officer,
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  Speaker 3: which is a RO is a common termy here in
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  Speaker 3: these shooting competitions of which this is my second ever.
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  Speaker 2: And they were representatives of SIG, employees of SIG yep, yep.
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  Speaker 3: So there were there seven stages every day, correct, so
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  Speaker 3: plus a night shoot.
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  Speaker 2: Plus two stages at night yep.
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  Speaker 3: So, and it's all you know, it's live ammunition obviously,
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  Speaker 3: so it's all these teams are spread out. You have
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  Speaker 3: to stick to a strict time calendar, time schedule which
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  Speaker 3: allows for teams to like travel through like lines of
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  Speaker 3: fire essentially. So it's really seriously orchestrated that logistically very
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  Speaker 3: impressive deal.
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  Speaker 2: But you had roughly twenty minutes to walk somewhere between
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  Speaker 2: a half pound a mile between stages. Everybody had to
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  Speaker 2: walk carrying their own gear, lunch water, and then once
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  Speaker 2: you got to the stage, you had about twenty minutes
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  Speaker 2: to get the brief and then the allotted time for
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  Speaker 2: the actual stage, so you'd have five or ten minutes
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  Speaker 2: of like, hey, this is what's going on walk the course,
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  Speaker 2: look at it. Here's the guns, get familiar with them,
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  Speaker 2: and then okay, we have ten minutes to finish this.
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  Speaker 2: The bell is going to start. And then at ten
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  Speaker 2: minutes we're done and we start walking to the next stage.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's the scoring. I still don't truly understand,
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  Speaker 3: but there's a time component of how quickly you can
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  Speaker 3: complete the stage. And then there's an accuracy component that
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  Speaker 3: you know, was mostly summed up as hits or missiles versus.
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  Speaker 1: Like like how good you hit? Yeah, exactly, and you
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  Speaker 1: were saying the way they had it rigged with a
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  Speaker 1: timing component on some of these timing was weighted so heavily. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you could have just shot all your shots in the
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  Speaker 1: air and ran in won.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you could have hedged your bets because if you
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  Speaker 3: added up the penalties for missus, they still wouldn't hurt you.
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  Speaker 3: You would be way better off just being like cool,
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  Speaker 3: I'll take all the penalties and I'll see you at
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  Speaker 3: the next stage, versus the added time on top of
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  Speaker 3: the penalties to try to shoot those targets.
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  Speaker 1: Right, was there any long distance shooting?
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  Speaker 5: There was at Yann hit it on the first shot, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in a mile and he still took fourth place.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, only two people out of all the teams hit
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  Speaker 3: it hit a twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: But listen, how is the target? Listen as a full
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  Speaker 2: size elk. They originally Daniel Horner, who is contracted by
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  Speaker 2: Say does a lot of stuff with sake. One of
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  Speaker 2: the better shooters in the world right now. He set this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's been on the podcast. He set the course up.
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  Speaker 2: Originally he was going to put a lot of weight
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  Speaker 2: into that into that. Those three shots at a mile
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  Speaker 2: you got to take and.
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  Speaker 1: All you got to do is get a piece of it.
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  Speaker 2: You just got to make it go ding. And it
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  Speaker 2: was a giant I mean I'm talking a piece of
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  Speaker 2: steel the size of the stable dang near like not
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  Speaker 2: one that one one human can move. It took two
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  Speaker 2: people to move.
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  Speaker 3: I was saying half a car.
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  Speaker 2: And I held left edge. I went up there and
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, I got a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: wind coming from the left. I'm gonna hold left edge
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  Speaker 2: of the target. And it dings. So I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: get to shoot two more shots. I got off the
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  Speaker 2: gun and someone else stepped in. Well, then whatever it was,
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  Speaker 2: you were a clay holds left edge and it hits
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  Speaker 2: like two body lengths, two target lengths to the right,
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  Speaker 2: two vehicles to the right. Like that's how much it
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  Speaker 2: changed because of what the wind was doing. Right and
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  Speaker 2: then so he correct, you know, two car lengths to
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  Speaker 2: the left and hits way left.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 2: And it was in the end they just said that
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  Speaker 2: it was windy enough, and it was kind of this,
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  Speaker 2: You're shooting across this long valley that draws coming into it,
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  Speaker 2: and those people that were in there actually trying to
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  Speaker 2: game it and looking at mirage and stuff said that
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  Speaker 2: you could see maraj go in two different directions, and
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  Speaker 2: it was just so I'm not going to take a
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  Speaker 2: lot of credit for making a great shot. And there
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  Speaker 2: was an elevation was pretty much set when you got there.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, do not touch the elevation turret. It's set
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  Speaker 2: for to hit that target. Yeah. So this one, you're
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  Speaker 2: basically just trying to dope the wind.
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  Speaker 1: Even.
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  Speaker 3: Our personal firearms for that particular stage. And this is
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  Speaker 3: how it's different than any of the other competitions I've
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  Speaker 3: heard of or been to, is at this particular you're
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  Speaker 3: carrying all of your stuff, including your personal firearm, which
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  Speaker 3: you're using on a bunch of different stages. But you
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  Speaker 3: could walk up to a stage and it's like put
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff down. Here's a like a carbing, like
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  Speaker 3: we got to shoot like the new Army issue carbing,
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  Speaker 3: and and here's a ten millimeter pistol. And what you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna do is you're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 3: see the targets. But each flag there's a target. Run
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  Speaker 3: up that up to that flag, find the target, hit
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  Speaker 3: it twice, make sure your gun's in a safe position.
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  Speaker 3: Move to the next flag, do the same thing. There's
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  Speaker 3: ten targets total, put the empty or safe weapon on
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  Speaker 3: a map that we have out there, and then sprint back.
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  Speaker 3: And when you touch the table, the next person on
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  Speaker 3: your team goes and does the same thing. There's like
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  Speaker 3: that type of stage which I thought was super fun,
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  Speaker 3: the relays, and then there's also like the obviously here's
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  Speaker 3: three targets, and here's like the rough range for each
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  Speaker 3: of those targets, or here's take a couple of minutes
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  Speaker 3: to get your dope, shoot those targets with your range finder,
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  Speaker 3: get your dope, and it's just impacts as many times
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  Speaker 3: you can hit that target, and you have ten ten
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  Speaker 3: minutes to do it type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So what was the bow shooting part of it? Three?
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  Speaker 3: There were three stages. One was like a really rushed
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  Speaker 3: seven but cool position wise seven full body foam targets.
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  Speaker 3: So three people have to shoot seven targets apiece in
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  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 2: One arrow each, so twenty one arrows need to be shot.
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  Speaker 2: Was it fifteen or ten minutes?
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was fifteen to fifteen but like us
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  Speaker 3: of your choice, Yeah, but you have to sprint from
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  Speaker 3: each target to each target.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to, but if you didn't, you weren't
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  Speaker 2: going to get it done. You were going to finish. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how far with the shots?
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  Speaker 3: Plenty? Plenty good? I mean I think the max on
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  Speaker 3: that was sixty something.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there might have been a seventy.
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  Speaker 1: But because of that, like the guy, you're the only
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  Speaker 1: guy of the recurve.
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  Speaker 3: There, you know, it's funny you bring that up, Steve,
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  Speaker 3: I was not. Oh, but magically all those other recurves
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  Speaker 3: just appeared after the competition was over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when it was time to drink beer and to
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  Speaker 2: shoot bows, all of a sudden, everybody's got a recurve.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they were but they weren't shooting it for
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  Speaker 1: the tournament, So you're you're the only peurist.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which mad like an uncomfortable amount of attention
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  Speaker 3: was paid. They're like, oh look at that terrible But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I felt bad about that one because it was so
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  Speaker 3: rushed that I was just like, my mindset was like,
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  Speaker 3: just throw an arrow, and so I was That's what
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  Speaker 3: I was doing, and I was consequently not hitting anything.
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  Speaker 1: So terrible. So had you had you been replaced by
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  Speaker 1: a compound shooter, would you guys be on the winners stand?
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I keep thinking about fourth places. When you
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  Speaker 1: get fourth place, yeah, you're not up on those little
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  Speaker 1: tiered right pedestals.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this was if you ain't your last kind of
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  Speaker 2: a deal. Yeah, because there was only.
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  Speaker 1: The only room for one winner. Huh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There was one check for fifty dollars right that the
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  Speaker 2: that the winning team got to choose which which nonprofit,
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  Speaker 2: which nonprofit it would go to? And we had chosen the.
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  Speaker 1: They've been listening to too much media to trivia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who they choosing to go to?
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  Speaker 3: They chose the Defenders of Freedom Fund.
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: Uh foundation?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, a veterans nonprofit.
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  Speaker 1: Got it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And these guys were all veterans are or
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  Speaker 3: maybe one's still active. I can't, I can't remember. But
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  Speaker 3: and we were gonna donate to Montana Block Management, which
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  Speaker 3: would have been a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, did you go to the winner?
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  Speaker 6: Hey?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'd do? Yeah, you know what I
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  Speaker 1: was planning on doing.
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  Speaker 3: I never want Can we split that?
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  Speaker 2: Listen? We had one stage where you're basically standing on
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  Speaker 2: a cliff, like you couldn't walk straight up to where
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  Speaker 2: you had to go and start. You had to go
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  Speaker 2: at an angle up this hill to get to there,
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  Speaker 2: and then literally right below you it was line of
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  Speaker 2: sight was probably fifty yards, but your range finder would
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  Speaker 2: read twenty seven. There's a giant mule deer that's made
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  Speaker 2: out of steel and it's vitals. There's a hole about
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  Speaker 2: yay big the yeah, the iron maiden is behind it
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  Speaker 2: is some foam, and then behind him another fifteen yards
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  Speaker 2: was a goat, and then another fifteen yards farther was
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  Speaker 2: a moose with another hole about yea big. And everybody
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  Speaker 2: can make that shot because I mean, it's target this
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  Speaker 2: big and the shot the longest shot.
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  Speaker 3: It's like your typical six yard foam target. It just
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  Speaker 3: happens to have a ring of steel around it that
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  Speaker 3: will destroy your arrow.
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  Speaker 4: And like, oh, I thought this was a pistol stage.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been a lot more fun. No, and
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  Speaker 2: uh man, you know you're in a competition and then
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  Speaker 2: you got this thing of this this this iron that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna eat your arrow, and uh you just can't help
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  Speaker 2: but make your pin float onto the iron like it's
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  Speaker 2: just it just and by the I mean there was
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  Speaker 2: only twenty one shooters and there was at least there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of yeah busted arrows.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, what a great thing if you could. I
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  Speaker 7: thought about actually building an at home set up like that,
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  Speaker 7: because what a great way to increase like the stakes
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  Speaker 7: of your behind the house practice. Yeah yeah, you can
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  Speaker 7: buy one of those for like five hundred bucks. I've
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  Speaker 7: looked it up, but I'd rather not.
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  Speaker 2: Sparrow and the arrow companies love what you're saying right now.
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  Speaker 4: The front cost is minimal compared to the.
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  Speaker 3: Real legit archery folks up there, like folks that I
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  Speaker 3: know that that shoot a lot of arrows and and
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  Speaker 3: it was pretty funny. They're like that thing just destroyed
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  Speaker 3: us He's like, they're not hard shots. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what happened type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Caw. So you got to shoot two at each one
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  Speaker 2: these six shots for each person total, and Cal went
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  Speaker 2: three out of six at super steep Angle twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: forty five and sixty and h. It was pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 1: That's good, all all good arrows.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the thing is is like I didn't Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, stupid excuses. I should have been shooting
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: What was your favorite stage you think out of the.
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  Speaker 3: So there were two running stages that were really fun. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: You're gonna say the tacos that we served.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I missed that.
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  Speaker 2: We did need some good tacos. So shout out to
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  Speaker 2: some bear meat.
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  Speaker 9: Man.
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  Speaker 2: The bear meat crushed the prong horned meat. Everybody said
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  Speaker 2: that that was elk. There was no bear, those bear
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  Speaker 2: and elk. Oh, okay, Well the bear meat crushed the elk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Can't beat that grease, you know. So they happened to
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  Speaker 3: be in the same stage. There was a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: fun stuff, but I liked that there is one where
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  Speaker 3: you set your rifles down on these mats and there's
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  Speaker 3: like there's a two hundred yard gong, a four hundred
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  Speaker 3: yard gong, and a six hundred yard gong. And they
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  Speaker 3: were all like the real tiny targets.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say they were six by eights, maybe eight by
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  Speaker 2: tens somewhere in there. Yeah, six inches by not as
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  Speaker 2: big as a sheet of paper.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, uh, you got to get your ranges,
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  Speaker 3: the close ones worth fewer points, the mid ones worth midpoints,
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  Speaker 3: and the fire ones worth the max points. But you
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  Speaker 3: the way they started it is, you can you have
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  Speaker 3: one one round in the chamber, you get your range,
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  Speaker 3: you shoot, and then to get your next bullet, you
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  Speaker 3: have to sprint one hundred yards get one bullet.
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  Speaker 2: I it was fifty No, it.
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  Speaker 1: Was a hundred was it really? Yeah? You just had
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  Speaker 1: those long.
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  Speaker 2: Legs there, seth was there.
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  Speaker 3: So get one bullet out out of the bucket and
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  Speaker 3: then sprint back to your guns, drop that round in,
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  Speaker 3: shoot the target again, and as much running as you're
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  Speaker 3: willing to do.
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  Speaker 2: In fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 3: In fifteen minutes. And that was super fun. That was
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  Speaker 3: super fun.
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  Speaker 2: We liked that stage because we won, We beat we
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  Speaker 2: had the highest score. Well, it was surprising. We all
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  Speaker 2: just sat there and shot the six hundred yarder just
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  Speaker 2: because it was high points, and you know, you do
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  Speaker 2: the math, and you're like, well, even if I missed one,
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  Speaker 2: even if I went one for two, I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 2: more points there than if I hit every time at
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  Speaker 2: two hundred yep. And I think we probably shot at
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  Speaker 2: eighty or ninety percent on the six hundred. It was
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  Speaker 2: an easy decision. The next day, at the same stage,
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  Speaker 2: it was changed up. There was pistols and there was fifteen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there are a lot of targets. I don't know how many,
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  Speaker 2: but fifteen, maybe even twenty, I don't know. A bunch
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  Speaker 2: of steels set up on the other side of a
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  Speaker 2: fence from ten yards to fifty yards kind of in
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  Speaker 2: this array where you had to move along the fence
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  Speaker 2: to be looking straight at him right.
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  Speaker 3: And this is with a nine millimeter pistol. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: you had two clips each holding twenty one each hold
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  Speaker 3: twenty one yep.
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  Speaker 2: And this was timed and again a relay, so one
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  Speaker 2: guy would pick up the gun, would have it loaded,
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  Speaker 2: kind of run along that fence until you can engage
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  Speaker 2: these targets and move through shooting, and all these targets
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  Speaker 2: with the pistols fasts. You can at the last one.
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  Speaker 2: The next target at the end was two hundred yards away.
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  Speaker 2: It was worth like three hundred seconds. Again, this is
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  Speaker 2: where all the I wish I could tell you exactly
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: how the scoring was worth. But basically like that one
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: target was worth more than all the other ones you
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: had just hit. So you had to sprint down there,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: shoot it, and then sprint your butt all the way back.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: But you could shoot from two hundred yards too with
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: your nine milimeter pistol.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Well, the red dot.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: The red dot. So I cleaned them all and I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: go just to turn, and everybody's like whoa, whoa. Well,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta give it a couple of tries here,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: And I mean I was like fifty yards off. I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: mean you could see the dust flying way before it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So I started correcting. But it just I took three
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: or four shots. It wasn't gonna. I still did because
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: as long as I mean, I figured I would burn
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: up three or four seconds. If you get lucky and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: all sudden you hear a ping, then you only have
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: three seconds to get back to the start line and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: next person can go, you know. But that was fun
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: because it really I mean if you ran, which Cal
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and I both did, it was enough that I busted
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: a couple of blood vessels in my lungs and was
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: hacking for the next twenty minutes.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, does that mean claydon run?
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Clay did not run.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: He had boots on. You know, they don't have run
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: issues down there. They just run boots, so he didn't
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: go quiet. It's fast.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Karen, tell everybody about the new podcast channel.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's a whole new channel.
• 19:08
  Speaker 10: There's a whole new chance.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Listen to what Krin has to tell you. There's a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: whole Kriin is doing this because she knows more about
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it than I do.
• 19:14
  Speaker 11: Uh So, you know the meet The YouTube channel that
• 19:18
  Speaker 11: most folks have been a part of for years is
• 19:21
  Speaker 11: the meat Eater TV YouTube channel, and we've decided to
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: create a new YouTube channel that's the home for all
• 19:30
  Speaker 11: of our podcasts. So that's well, that's the only place
• 19:34
  Speaker 11: where you'll be able to watch and listen to.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: You're not really selling it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: It's not a job. She's a producer.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: It's here.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: That's the only place you'll be able to watch our podcast.
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: Go ahead and subscribe to the very new Meat Eater
• 19:51
  Speaker 11: podcast YouTube channel.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: That's not the only place where you can listen to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: watch what was?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: You can watch and listen.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: She's a producer.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Get it one more time?
• 20:06
  Speaker 11: Okay, So everybody to.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody bought the new channel.
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: We've got a great, new, exciting YouTube podcast channel launching.
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: It's where you can catch all of the Meat Eater
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: Network podcasts on video and audio. So please give us
• 20:24
  Speaker 11: a subscribe. It's called the Meet Eater Podcast Network on YouTube,
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: a new.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: One on that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: What do people get to see there?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: What's in it for.
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: Me they get to see?
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: Well, it's it's we've we're migrating away from the Meet
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: Eater TV so YouTube channel. So if you want to
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: watch this here podcast, that's where you watch it. If
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: you want to watch trivia, that's where you watch it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: If you want to watch Cal's interviews, Mark's Wired to Hunt.
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: Uh foundations? Oops, yeah, now foundations is there? Now Foundations
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: cutting the distance?
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: How Foundations be there too?
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: Well, it will and all of our podcasts that are
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: not interview format there might be a little visual treat so,
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: but that is a home for all of our podcasts.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Like if I'm just facetiming Mark one day, we could
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: put that up there.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: That will be.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Sign for that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Uh no, I'm surets are back and stuck without even
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: know we're doing this. I have my original.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: You might want to specify g n O M E
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: not n O E M as we've been discussing the.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Like no, like Governor Christy.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, that would life and death on the phone.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I would wear Christy silent christ T shirt were a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: dog shirt, wear a Doug Burgham T shirt.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Just cow, that was funny, Steve didn't hear that?
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Tell me our Christy Noman packing out a bird dog shirt?
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: That would sound.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd wear s this. I have the original one on.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Look at the Look at the hole in that arm pit. Yeah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: this is the gnome packing you. Why is it this
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: one not back?
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: I think I think it may be one of the ones.
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: It is.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: See our T shirt program is constantly they like burned
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: through them.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It's dynamic.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good word for it. They burned through them. Oh,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: my kids went.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Proper way to I don't know why that word is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: so stuck in my head about how people use it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Prone to change right now, but.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It is constantly used.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Improper a dynamic video. That video is not changing yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And when people are described dynamically most of the time,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: they're not trying to say that that person changes all
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you something about something?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, Steve got the finger. Everybody just didn't lean in
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Listen.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you something. You know what I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: did close this computer, krit Can you remind us energy
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: krin when I do when we do. Steve reads the books,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: so you ain't got to Can you remind me to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: tell Yanni what I need to tell him?
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Oh, so you're not telling us now? In a minute,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: all right, stay tuned.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So my kids were visiting their grandma, their maternal grandmother,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and there's a T shirt shop that you took him to.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: This is the way to go on a T shirt shop.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: All the designs are on the wall. Mm hmm okay,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: hundreds of the designs on the wall, tons of blank
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: T shirts. You pick the colored shirt you want, You
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: picked the design you want. The dude at the connor
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: goes burns the design into the shirt hands to the kid.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: That's dad, run a T shirt program.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Dangerous for kids?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I don't want that one. No once, no, If I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: remember right, I think they settled up. Oh, yeah, that's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: how they settled up before. My kid had a steelhead
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: burned onto a tied die hoodie. That's good taste, Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: madd he went with the steelhead burned onto a tie.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: We should get a little corner of the store downtown
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: to do that, just burning shirt.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So we got the gnome packing out of dead unicorn.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: We got the noome roast and a jack rabbit, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: we got the gnome spear fishing right the mermaid? No, no,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: no fishing. It's a gnome jigging hal a bit. But
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: he tied into a mermaid.
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: Oh okay, okay, because I didn't I knew it wasn't
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: like a gnome spirit.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: You're telling me he's doing battle. It's the gnome jigging
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: hal abit. But he hooked into a mermaid, and he's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: doing battle with a mermaid.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I don't believe it that the mermaid took the same
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: bait that she's foul hooked.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: She's trying to get the bait off the hook. I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: can't remember. We don't have her lip hooked.
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: I hope.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: How is she hooked in that? I don't think she's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: lip hooked.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Can you see the jib twister tail can you.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Pull that up? Phil? How is she hooked? I remember
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: debating this, and we didn't think we wanted to have
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: her lip hooked. If I remember right now, I think
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I think we settled on her her position. Her position
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: is such that I think we settled on this because
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: we didn't want to get into any kind of strange territory.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I think we settled on her position. Few skates it does.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: It's behind her body. You can't tell how.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: She said gotcha, but I think she does. It make
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: sense that she's lip hooked like she was eating the bait.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: It's kind of thee I can't zoom in far enough.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: It's hard to tell.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I can picture her trying to grab it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Now it disappears around the mid section of her tail,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: and you can't tell where it's huck.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: It's maybe follow hooks in the shoulder.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: Well, what about she was saving the halbit, removing a
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: hook from a helvet and then got hung up.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like all its subjective.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: You know, was targeting mermaids.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: That's what it's meant. It's meant to be that only
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the artist knows.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Good job.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: When I conceptualized the idea, it was he was jigging
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: hal of it, but tied into a mermaid and was
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: glad about it some of the women in the because
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: some of the women in the company pointed out, he
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't know is this is this sexual in nature? Or
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: is this like close to cannibalism in nature. That's why
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: he hasn't caught it yet, because if it was caught,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you'd have to wrestle, you'd have to wrestle that question.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that what comes next?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, So what is he going to do with the mermaid?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Is to the wearer's imagination.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Or you know, until it's in the boat.
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: If we get that burn your own design, maybe we
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: should have a painting contest to have that scene. But
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: what happens renditions of that that scene when he catches her.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: After the success of the after the success of the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: essay contest, watercolor, And I think that if you can,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: if you can look at the shirt design and then
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: sending artwork showing what happened next, and quite like if
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it if it winds up being reproductive in nature, put
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: a caution.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: Maybe we'll put it up on Steve's Instagram.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: He's by himself, so he's not yelling get the gaff
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: to anyway, uh Krin also needs more outro music submissions,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: so we we for twenty twenty four as the one
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: we're in.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: We're doing all out. Well, it's a little more complicated that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: For a while, Okay, for a while we had ultro
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what the hell we were using
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: for ultra music. For a long time we had ultro
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: music from Sheerwater. It's a band that a Sheerwater is
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a bird. There's a band by an there's an ornithologist
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: who has a band called Sheerwater. He used to study
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Cara Kara's but he had a song called Wildlife in America.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And for a long time our ultro music was sort
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of an excerpt from Wildlife in America, which is actually
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: about soldiers returning from the war in Iraq in Afghania,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the wars in Iraq in Afghanistan. That was the ultro music.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't know any of that from listening to it,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: but that's what it was. Then one day we talked
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: about something too long and someone made a comment about
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: someone made a comment about like you beat that horse
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to death. So then we switched the outro music to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Christopher Denny's Ride On in which he says, we've done
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: beat this damn horse to death. That's time to ride out.
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: He'll be on the podcast soon.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, people loved and hated, loved and hated
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that song. Christopher Danny one day, somehow oblivious to the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: fact that his song that we licensed his song. Yep.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: It was a hard negotiation, hard to get a hold
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of anybody. We license this song. And one day he
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: writes in, Hey, I see you're using my song. Like now,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen easily. He doesn't even know we use
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: this song. He's gonna come on the podcast. Yep. He
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: didna come on the podcast and tell you everything that's
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: wrong with the music industry. Will When our license of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that was running out, rather than renewing it, we did
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a thing where we're only using music that people send
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: in because people are sending cool songs. And here we
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: are halfway through the year.
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: We need a refrap, right, but we need music that's
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: not already floating around the internet. So if you guys
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: want to take take a little bit of time and
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: write a podcast specific song or an ode to Steve
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: or the outdoors, you know a lot.
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: Of people did that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: We need originals because you know how the podcast.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: You can watch the podcast on YouTube. If your music,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: even if you've licensed your music anywhere, if your music
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: is on Spotify, whatever, they're gonna scrub it and dingus
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: for a dingus for a copyright infringement. Even if you're
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: giving permission, it's still gonna It's just gonna happen.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hassle.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It's a pain in crins, but it is. So you
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: got to give us music you haven't published.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: Yet, right, and so like a couple of you still
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: publish it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: Later, a couple of people just sat around and picked
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: up a guitar. I just started singing and it was
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: like an impromptu. There's one guy who uh who wrote
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: a song called Raccoon Pecker or he didn't really right
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: and he just it was funny.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: It was.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Where does Doug Duran's podcast blues Go Trivia?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: We got one right now, our very own dirt myth
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And every time I look at dip a Fishingado with
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: dirt on. When Dirt made the cover of Dip Fisha,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I still laugh.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Oh me, Yeah, that's the best piece.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: In here, Dirt sending a song we like lately when
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: we're goofing on Dirt, who's not here. Lately the theme
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: has been goofing on the noises Dirt makes while eating.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: We should have him test the uh we did have
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Dirt eat that and put him bake up to him. Yeah,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: this next level.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And if you have you can't buy this Dirt, you can't.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: You can't hear this.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: But he's usually has two thumbs out yea.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: And if there were these two bags here and they
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: sat long enough, he with his last bite of this bag,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: he'd be like, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna hit another
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: one of that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Elbow. This the next level. You, Oh, he eats the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: way if.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: He walked into like a medieval tavern and you saw
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: someone eating from a rough bole, Yes.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: We already covered it with my favorite. His Dirt was
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: talking about what his grandpa used for chapstick. He says,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Grandpa uses his own earwag. He digs into his ear,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: gets a gobble wax and rubs us.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Brugal family.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Dirt said, doing two things his dad's His
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: dad's tried to make himself that he was never happy with.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: His dad was trying to make his own dip okay
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: he's trying to grow in a back listle to make
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: his own dip and his dad was trying to make
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: his own his own pellets for a pellet grill. That frugal,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: trying to make his own pellets for a pellet grill.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: We one time made a big dugout can you have
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a cottonwood log? And it was just killing Dirt's dad
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna leave it land there. So he brought
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it home and turned it into a planner, Like, this
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: is no way he's gonna leave that thing. It's a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: perfectly good cracked hollow log. Uh, open country. Are you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: gonna play a little bit, Philip, just a little talk?
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's over five minutes.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Play the whole damn thing. Play put the whole thing
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: at the end of the show. Okay, So Dirt wants
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to point out, being a good guy that he is
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Dirt Dirt. This is in the notes dirt colon, not
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Dirt's colon. I don't need to see that dirt colon.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Make sure when you guys play post about open Country,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that's Dirt song. It's called open country. Oh h Dirt says,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: it has a lot to say about the song. He
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: also has this to say. This song you're about to hear,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: open Country by Dirt quote has the core principles of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: why I do what I do. Amen into that shit.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Dirt that went on to say, make sure and you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: guys play posts about open country. My cousin Andrew Smith,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: who's handled his makeshift radio m AK shift Radio MAC
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: basically Mac shift underscore Radio, so at m A K
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: S H I f T Underscore Radio gets mentioned for recording,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: mixing and playing piano. Dirt continues, He's a great dude
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and has a Spotify. His stuff is very ethereal and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: does a cool sound mixing and does cool sound mixing
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: for a living. So with credit where credit is due,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: play play a quick lick there, Phil, and then we'll
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: come back at the end of the show. We'll come back.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Give me, give me a lit of something that inspired.
• 35:28
  Speaker 13: Me.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: Put me all that's what lies my fire.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Excellent, the lovely and talented Dirt myth. I can't wait.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: If I had to pick between dirt being alive and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: all you being alive, I'd picked dirt, you know what
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I throw myself into that mix. I'd
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: rather dirty alive, way more than media life.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: It would be the only person that would make you
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: feel good somehow about everybody else being dead. He'd be like,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: but you know, I.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Can't think of a time. I can't think of a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: single time in my life. Dirt has ever gone negative.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Oh that gnome that tried to molest him in Ireland.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that guy that creeped him out big time.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah like that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Other than that, dirt's never gone negative. And he wasn't
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: even entirely negative about the gnome, not a gnome A
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: little yeah, Leprechaun tried to molest him.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Is the only logical conclusion that we could all come to.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's laughing about my face being on the bag
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of a of a listen, my face being on the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: bag of a freeze dry meal. But let me tell
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you why I'm uniquely qualified to have my face on
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the bag of a freeze dry meal. Please, Ken, you're
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: supposed to hold that right, Yeah, I'll tell you why
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I'm why I'm uniquely qualified, and why this man before
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: any of you guys, while you guys were still when
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: you guys were still getting milk from your mama's tea,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I was eating freeze dry. Not only that, not only that,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I was writing about freeze dry back when like astronauts
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: knew about it many many years ago. I wrote a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: piece for Outside, an exhaustively reported piece on freeze dry food,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like how it came into use, who the first users were.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I got into the lurps from Vietnam. I got into
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: space travel. I got into how space ice cream has
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: gone to space, but no one ever chose to eat
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: space ice cream in space.
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: They just eat it at the Kennedy Space Center like
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: I did.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Had it, they had it. And I got into how
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: a favorite of the astronauts is shrimp cocktail. I went
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to a freeze dry research facility and the guy says,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: we got everything in here. Try to think of something,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and I just said, I don't know. And I thought
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: from it and I said, capers got it freeze dry.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: As part of my article, I had a bunch of
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: people from the food industry come over and we did
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a tasting of all kind of freeze dry. Okay, I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: was like the original freeze dry journalist, Well only did
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that one piece.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Under that one piece, but you know what I'm saying,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: it was so encompassing you the genre I to find.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, you know, there's like a mic drop. Yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But there's only so much you can say about freeze dry.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I said it. I went and visited a sublimation chamber.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So when you're making freeze drive, you make you make
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a meal that's ready. There's different ways of doing it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: The right way to do it is you cook something
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that's ready to eat. You then spread it on trays
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and freeze it. And the temperature at which you freeze it,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the humidity at which you freeze it all matters a bunch.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: You then take that and put a in the sublimation chamber,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: pull a vacuum on it, and the water in their sublimates,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: meaning it goes water goes from its solid state to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: its gaseous state, never goes to a liquid state. When
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you pull these sheets out, you could break them like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a pane of glass, grind it all up, throw in
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a sack. That's freeze dry production in a nutshell. One
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: thing I learned and the time I spent exploring freeze dry,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: is that certain things are good when you freeze drive,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and certain things ain't good when you freeze drive. When
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you go to these fancy pants, you know everybody now
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: has got some fancy pants freeze dry like seven wild
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: mushroom risotto. Listen, I like good food as much as
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the next get A lot of things aren't suitable to
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: freeze dry. Meaning, if you made a freeze dry hamburger,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna have when you rehydrate it? The
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: burger bun doesn't know when to stop sucking up water,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: right Like if you want to rehydrate a cheeseburger, the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: bun is it doesn't work like you need stuff that
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Everything wants the same amount of soak. And that's the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: key to a good freeze dry meal. And just because
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: seven wild mushroom risotto is good at a restaurant doesn't
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: mean it's good out of a sack. Like it doesn't.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Everything doesn't translate.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: It needs a consistent saturation point.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And it's just certain efforts get wasted. Certain efforts get
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: like certain flavors and textures and things that make things good.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Once you freeze dry it and grind it up and
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: throw it in a sack, it goes away. There's just
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: certain things that work as freeze drying. I'll tell you
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: what works as freeze dry as American buffalo barbecue mac
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and cheese, and then Yanni's more to Yanni's to thank
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: for this one. It should be Yanni's face on that
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: American buffalo goulash.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Instead of this guy right here. If you put your
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: finger right here, you can act like you're talking.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Can you do that while I talk? Phil can use
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: zero in on that so it's me talking? Sure? Yeah, okay,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not picking his nose?
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: Is it?
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Is?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It zoomed? Right Phil?
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: It's not zoomed.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: But I'm on cal.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Here's why I use that. I'm a big supporter of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the animal. I'm a big support of American buffalo. Nine
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: four percent of the buffalo or bison in North America
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that exists today are privately owned. I don't like the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: captive servant industry none. There's no way I would do
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna do. I would never like do
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: an elk freeze dry of veniceon freeze Rik because I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: don't like captive servants. There. But private owners save the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: American buffalo from extinction. If it wasn't for private owners
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: like we would not have them at all, or would
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: barely have them. In terms of returning to the animals,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: to the landscape. It's largely fallen to private landowners to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: return the animals to the landscape. So I support the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I liked support bison ranchers, bison farmers. That's why.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: That's the way it is. And goulash is one of
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: those things that works. Keep going, you're gonna wear wear
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a hole in that bag. Goulash is one of those
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: things that works. Is freeze dry. Do you know what
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think it was Yanni's idea.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: It wasn't it a long time ago. I think when we, uh.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Be honest, you're not looking at Steven the eye.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: When we when we did, my eyes were up here,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and we did submissions for flavors.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a meat that matters. Is the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: if you got to buy a meat, it's the coolest
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: meat to buy outside of wild caught salmon. But I know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: but salmon, that's not a freeze dry food. I'm sure
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: someone does it. I don't think of sam. There's salmon jerky,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: salmon jerky, No, it's not free it's good freeze dry
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: red meat, salmon chowder, red meat, ground up, ground up,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: red meat.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: But chicken does well.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I disagree.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't belong and it doesn't belong on a
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: pizza either.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Red meat ground up. I agree that red meat ground up.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: That's why right here, when you want to go get
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a thinking man's freeze dry from a freeze dry expert,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: former freeze dry journalist.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: If you're a thinking man and you want to look
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: another thinking man in the eyes while you eat your
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: freeze dry, now.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Listen, if you want to have a conversation with your
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: bag while you're alone in the hills, cows fingers.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: To me, it's just you and maybe not the crew
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: on here. Because one of our favorite, one of our
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: favorite activities. When we've eaten a lot of other freeze
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: dries made by another company, there's multiple people sitting around
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: a stove and they have these expressions that don't necessarily
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: like let you know exactly what they're thinking or exactly
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: what the joke is. And we have spent hours probably
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: looking at these labels and deciding what is going on,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: what is going on there in that scene, And I think,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: even though it's not quite the same, but this lends
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: itself to the same thing. So if you want to
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: have fun with your friends in the back country, cal.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Pointed out that you can. There's space there to do
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: a dialogue bubble.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever you want. You could say, Bill, you could
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: have my boys say what are you thinking about? Bill?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And then you could answer to the bag while you're
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: alone in the mountains and I'm there to hear what
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you have to say.
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, what's in that speech?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Bubble?
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: Do my art?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Ear?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Listen? This is another good meteor contest right here.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: If you're wandering about, they're both good. If you wondering
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: about what my my favorite Like, what am I saying there?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: My spoon has three notches?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I put two?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: You have to do it in Steve's voice. If Steve
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: was gonna say, tell you how many notches his spoon has,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: how did it be going?
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Well, he'd be like, hey, who's got three notcher?
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Working? Okay? Working? Donald Listrick can We talked about the podcasting,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: talking about gnomes. We talked about why I'm qualified, Why
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I'm qualified to be on a Mac and Cheese box,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: talking about music, talk about dirt.
• 45:41
  Speaker 14: Oh, Mark Kenyon, right after Mac and Cheese used it
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: in alphabetical order, Mark Kenyon hit it?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Mark?
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: What am I talking about?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Aren't you gonna tell us? About working for a while, Bieur, Yeah,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: are you not prepared? I am.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: I just didn't know if that was the thing. So yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: The Working for Wildlife Tour is something I kicked off
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: last year, which was kind of coming out of just
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: a realization I had just kind of looking out across
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: the country and hearing about different volunteer events going on
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: being put on by BHA or the NDA or Trout
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Unlimited or whatever it is. You see a picture from
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: one of these events and there'd be like six people,
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: and I thought to myself, Man, these are such great events.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: There's such good work going on. I believe there's great
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: things coming from them, but not enough folks hear about it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: Not enough people are going out and doing these things.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: So I thought, what's some way we could help bring
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: more attention to that and kind of inspire more folks
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: to get out there and do it. So I decided
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: I'll to start doing it myself. So this tour was
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: the idea is to go around the country collaborating with
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: various nonprofit organizations to help, you know, organize these events,
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: promote these events, and then I go to them myself
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: and volunteer all day with folks. You know, meet everyone,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: talk to folks, have a great time, and document it
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: all and then tell those stories afterwards. So what kind of.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Projects I can test? Let me tell you. I went
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to one last year down in Kentucky. We went down
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: there and collected five gown bucket upon five gown bucket
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: of white a white oak acorns, and those were collected
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: to then be grown in a nursery oak nursery.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: If you live by Clay's house, he's talking about acorns.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Acorns, that's right, and then to be planted back into
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the Daniel Boone National Forest.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: So where were you wandering around collecting acorns? Daniel Blue
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: National Forest and then you were gonna they were gonna
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: propagate them.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some folks had scouted them so they knew some
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: spots to go to. It was very educational for me,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: you know, as a deer hunter. We got to like
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it was cool, and the community aspect of it was great.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I mean you're sitting around literally sitting because there's so
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: many of them, it's so thick. You can just sit
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: down and collect acorns, and you're talking to people from
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the you know community.
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: So instead of six people going out there collecting acorns,
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: we had sixty or something like that, and we collected
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: between seven hundred and eight hundred pounds of these acorns,
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: which were then propagated. I went and visited that nursery
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago. We have fifteen thousand oak
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: seedlings now growing.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: What was the success rate? Did you find out a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: corn like like what percentage? Actually, well, we're said were
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: viable and took and all that.
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: I don't know off the top of my head.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: No, but I do know the to help a lot
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: more acorns than that.
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so fifteen thousand trees are growing some and then
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: we're going to go back next spring and help reforce
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: parts of the national force.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So that's how how big they got to get them
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: for they put them back.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: In the ground.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: Well, right now they're about six inches tall. By next spring,
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: I think it'll be more like a foot.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: They worried about just the deer. You're going to annihilate them.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: That's definitely a thing. I don't know about what kind
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: of protection they may or may not be using when
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: we plant, but yeah, so that's an example.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Dirt will give you an earful about that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: You know something I learned down there. Did you know
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: when you find an acorn with the cap on it,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: it's an aborted acorn. No, whoa, I'm hoping that's what
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: we learned, right. They were like, if you can't pick
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: up the ones that don't have their caps on him anymore.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Like, it didn't come to it didn't. It didn't come
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: to maturity.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: I remember we were searching out with acorns.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I always preferred those ones. Yeah, big old white with
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: no cap. Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: We were also looking to make sure that we're weavil
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: holes in them and stuff.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Like that, and that they hadn't sprouted yet either. I
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: think that was it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Which when they went to the nursery, they probably put
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: them all in water and you can find out if
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: you're viable or not, like by floating them. Yeah, I
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: think the ones that aren't viable float I think I
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: think that's right.
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: It was very cool, but we did that. We went
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: two weeks ago. We were in Pennsylvania and I just
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: I got an email this morning kind of that quantified
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: what we did. Seventeen hundred feet of like ten foot
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: tall fencing was removed, Fourteen bluebird boxes were installed, two
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: wildlife planting fences were guarded.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You're on the air, can you.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Put the phone in front of your phone, in front
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: of the microphone, Steve the speaker.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, there you go.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: If if an acorn, if you find an acorn laying
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: on the ground a corn. Yeah, Me and Doug about
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: quit being friends over an acorn fight one time. Listen
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: or acorn argument. If you find an acorn laying on
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the ground and his cap is still on him, does
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: that mean it was aborted and it's not viable? Complete conjecture, No,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: but he qualified conjecture. Yeah. Uh, it means to me
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: that it dropped early and that cap has to dryn't
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: fall off yet, but it could still be viable, Thanks Doug. Okay,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: basically on.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: From the top, we got we got sidetracked there.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: So in this particular day two weeks ago in Pennsylvania,
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: we removed seventeen hundred feet of ten foot tall fencing
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: that was originally put up decades ago, back when the
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: tall about ten.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Foot For what purpose was that?
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: So this is pretty interesting was this stage, this is
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: National Forest, Pennsylvania. Back twenty thirty years ago, deer populations
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: were so high that if you wanted any kind of
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: regrowth that all had they still do it. In this
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: case though, they don't want so.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: They did an exclosure and it just decayed and yep,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and now it's keeping.
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: Deer another wildlife out of an area they want them
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: and got it. So we removed almost two thousand feet
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: of that, which was a job, planted fifty trees and shrubs,
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: installed fourteen bluebird boxes, planted twenty five button bush button bushes,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: and then installed a new set of two hundred and
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: forty feet of fencing around some of these new plantings
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: to protect them in those early growth stages. So we've
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: done things like that. We were in Massachusetts outside of Boston.
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: We did collected literally a ton two thousand pounds of
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: trash on a WMA. We worked on aspenstin restorations in
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: northern Idaho.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: We created I.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: Think eighteen brush piles for small game habitat and improved
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: sixteen acres of openings in a state forest. In northern Michigan.
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: We did a great project in Mississippi on the I
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: can't remember the name of the national forest down there,
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: but planted something like two hundred and fifty apple trees,
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: worked on gopher tortoise habitat. There was all these different
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: kinds of very cool projects. You learn a lot, you
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: meet an incredible number of like minded people, and you
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: come away from these events just full, like your cup
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: is full all this new energy and really really cool stories.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: Like I've heard so many stories from people that went
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: to an event like this, having never participated in something
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: like that before, never really thought they'd want to, but
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: heard about it like, oh sure, I'll go give it
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: a shot. And it leads to the snowball effect with
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: more and more things happening. So I just met a
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: guy at didn't meet him, saw him again at the
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: BHA rendezvous. He comes up to me and said, Hey,
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you remember me. We met at
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: the event outside of Boston. I never participated, never volunteered before,
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: but I did it, came out there, came away from
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: that feeling so charged up and wanted to do more.
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: I decided to get involved with that local chapter of BHA.
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: Asked if there's any more events, Well, there were some
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: more things started going to those. I enjoyed that so
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: much more. When I found out there was an opening
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: on the state board, I joined and became a state
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: board member. I did that for the rest of the year.
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: I have become so charged up with what this has
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: led to that now I'm retiring from the Navy. He's
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: being discharged, is his and there in this honorably thank you.
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: That's what I was looking for, and he is.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: They said you're private two into conservations.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: Well so much so that he is now pursuing a
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: full time career in conservation. That wouldn't have happened if
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: it hadn't been that. So there's been multiple things like
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: that that are very exciting and we're hoping to keep
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: it going. So we've done eight events in the last
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: like thirteen months so far. Another one, the next one
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: coming up is this August in northern Minnesota.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: What's that one?
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: That is going to be doing two big projects just
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: outside the boundary waters. UH One, we will be creating
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: a access point for hunters and anglers and campers entering
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: this part. It's on Vermilion Lake, I believe, so helping
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: create a access point for recreators and then creating whitetail
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: and other wildlife wintering habitat by planting conifer trees in
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: a WMA I believe up there as well.
• 54:55
  Speaker 11: And Mark if people want to get involved, where did
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: they go on our website or on wire Yeah.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: So probably the simplest way is just a Google working
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: for Wildlife Tour, or go to the mediat their website
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: and search that too. There's an article there that links
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: to the details for every one of the events so
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: far this year. But yeah, I would love to see
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: more folks at that Northern Minnesota one, and hopefully we'll
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: do more next year.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It's awesome, Mark, Thank you erk.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and everybody go give Mark a listen or a
• 55:23
  Speaker 11: watch on the new podcast Network channel on YouTube tube. Yeah,
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: he's host of the Wire to Hunt podcast.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Got any target bucks going on we need to hear about? Well?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: I do have to say real quick for those paying
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: attention to Mark. I had people right in to the
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: ask cal email making sure Mark's okay.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Mark.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Mark's in training running mode, so he's looking slim and trim,
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: and then he's ben shaved his mustache off and better aerodynamic.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: And people went around him and came to me and said,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I hope he's doing okay. He looks too skinny.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: So you've been running. You've been running so much you
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: got skinny, I guess.
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, yeah, what a mustache takes a club man
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: takes ten running club, the skinny club. Skinny club. Yeah,
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: ten pounds and ten years off, I guess with a mustache.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: So not not as fast as Yoanny, But I'm getting there.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: You don't know that, dude. Not as fast as the
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: gals I was watching at the barber shop yesterday and
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the track and field turn it definitely not my goodness.
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: I'm more slow, but long distance.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: A turtle.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, back to back to the bucks?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you got is it?
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Where are you at on Target? Bucks?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: How deep are you in the list of names that
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: you have to choose from?
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: How good are you too? I got another quart? Before
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you answer that, I got a question for you. How
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: good are you? You know what? You start seeing? Bucks
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: coming into velvet Yeah, Like the other day my neighbor
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: sends me a picture looks promising, you know, and he
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: just look it looks like two beer cans coming out
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: of his head, all velvety. At what point do you
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: feel at what point do you feel like you can
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: look by what date, say, in the Midwest, by what
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: date can you look at a velvety buck and go
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: like that's looking good? Well?
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: I was able to do that before I left Michigan
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: last week in May, first week at June already.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you say, like by what I'm seeing, this
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: is looking promising.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: Like I saw a buck I got pictures of and
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: saw him probably June first ish, and I not only
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: knew that buck's going to be a buck, but I
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: knew the buck.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: What are you looking at?
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: You're looking at Really what you're seeing is you develop
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: like a reference point for how much a deer has
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: grown by a typical point, and you'll start to see, like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: man if a deer like I know from twenty eighteen
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: that this certain buck was a five year old buck
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: and he ended up being like X big, yeah, and
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: I know he ended up like this. I'll look back
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: at his pictures on May thirty first or June first,
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: and I'll see and see what he had going on.
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: If you do that enough times, you start to be
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: able to identify it, Like I saw a buck the
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: other day that you can see right now on you know,
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: end of May, beginning of June, well past the ears,
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: very substantial browtimes, a lot of masks starting to branch
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: out into you know, three four points at the ends,
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: and you can usually if you you know, if you
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: if you hunt a small area, you see the same
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: deer over and over and over again.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. So you I know, I know
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: in the past what he looked like on May thirty first,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: and I know where he landed. Yeah, so if I
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: can look at him now on May thirty.
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: First, and it's like if you you know, people are
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: always wondering, how can you how do you know it's
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: that buck? How can you tell this buck's different from
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: that one. It's just like if you have the tags,
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: like if you see my that would do it. Like
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: my two boys, if one.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Of you, how do you know that's that's James.
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: They don't look the same to any random person, but
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: to me, it's so obvious. Well, when I see like
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: the brow times of a deer, like I knew this buck.
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: I saw it instantly. He's only got the beginning of
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: his antlers, but I saw instantly recognize the brow time
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: structure and width. I was like, Oh, that's this deer.
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: H he's back, and so that deer.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Probably helps it. He's like, what is his name?
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: Bulldozer?
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: And never ends hear.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Me out.
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: Ryan asked how the names come up? I don't name
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: my deer anymore. I don't name your.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Kids, name them the kids.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: The kids do it. So the kids get excited, they
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: see a picture, we go out there and actually glass
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: up the deer and watch deer, and then the kids
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: just like, let's call them that. It's not for the kids.
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: The kids feel like they feel like they're part of it.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Do they ever argue about it?
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: Just between themselves, like they are you who gets to
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: have the rights to a given deer's name?
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: You want to see some fighting kids. I took my
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: kids out bow fish and your day have only brought
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: one bow.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: Good lord, Yeah, I can see that.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Mark and I have been in my head.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, how many characters they want to deal with?
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I wanted to take him. I was like, we're gonna
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: catch car, We're gonna we're using for bait, make some
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: fish cakes, whatever, so we'll just bring one bow. Just
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a fight.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark and I were talking the other week about
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: getting together and doing some angling. But off of this conversation,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: I have an ulterior motive by it. I want to
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: get your kids aside and be like, listen, yeah, here's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: a couple of good So Mark has to come back
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: on this show and be like yeah, Queen Elizabeth is dead.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: What did bulldozer do to pick up the name bulldozer?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: Literally nothing. I think my son just probably was watching
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: a TV show or saw a picture of a bulldozer
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: twenty minutes beforehand, and then that deer was Bulldoz Free Association. Yes,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: my other like the other.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: I told you guys, this's a few months ago.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: You try to kill that buck this year.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he'll be the number one cool. My youngest son
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: didn't really find it. I found the sheds but left
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: them there and then went back later when he was around,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: helped him find it. And so he's very excited that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: he found bulldozers. Aler. That's just fun stuff with your kids,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: and yeah, it's it's very cool. Now like my kids
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: are hunting with me, I can actually share these experiences
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: with them in the wild. We the first deer I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: shot with my son, Everett, happened this past winter, and
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: so he got to be there for the whole thing.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: Did amazing and helped gut it, helped drag it whole
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: nine yards. But that buck bulldozer actually came out that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: same night, so we got to see that buck and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: counter that deer together. Waited till he left, then took
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: a dough so very fun.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Great, how old are your boys now?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: Six and four?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: You squirrel hunting yet? With him? Uh?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: Mark's squirreling, I would say, not like officially a squirrel hunting.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: He carries around a bb gun a lot and he's
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: done a little damage. And then he's also been on
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: groundhog duty with a seventeen which he has, which he's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: done very well with. We had a problem.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: You have plans for squirrel hunting.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we will. Yeah, cool, Yeah, good deal. Yeah
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: he should come out and ground hunt. My boy's got
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: a real hot groundhog, not groundhog, ground squirrel permission right now.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: He would love it.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: And they kind of turned it into like the he's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: that the people that have him doing this have turned
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: it into the heat single handedly saving their horses through
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: a rather convoluted process. He'll appreciate this rand because it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: involves a badger. Their take is that they got too
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: many ground squirrels, which lures in badgers, which dig holes,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: which are going to kill the horses, therefore saving horses,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: which is all he needed to hear. What he needed
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to hear is he gets the hunt ground squirrels, but
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: he needed a way to sell it to the old man.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: And upon hearing this heart rendering story about saving the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: family's horses, how could I say no, got him out
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: of needing to eat those squirrels.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody radation. Okay, it's a job.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: So my kids have now I've I've kind of wrestled
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: with that question, like, you know, I want them to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: get experience doing this things, doing these things, but at
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: the same time, you know, you can't just wantingly shoot
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: a bunch of stuff. So one part of the process now,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: like if we've shoot a groundhog, we have to dissect it,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: learn all about it, and then a fun new thing
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: we're doing is seeing what happens afterwards. So we go
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: and we'll leave like a part of the groundhog groundhog
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: carcass out in the woods and then set up trail
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: cameras on it to then watch and see what who's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: going to use this next? How does that change over
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: two weeks versus six weeks? And that's been fun, that's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: really cool.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if Mark was everybody's dad this world, the world
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be such a mess. Yeah, Mark should be like
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: science teacher.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: I'd like that. Mark we're done, Steve officially.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Oh really out though, Yeah, never talked about when I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: had that done?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, ever tell you about when I had it done that?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: No, this is I'm telling way too many people.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: How long ago did you have it done? Two years ago?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: Which one?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: I had to have it done twice? Yeah, really Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: When they were telling me that, I'm like, well, how
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: in the world is that possible?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know how surprised you don't have a third kid.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I've got super stuff. They couldn't kill it.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: They couldn't kill it, couldn't seal it up. I'm insatiable.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Columbia.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, wait a minute, they did.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: We have to get to get stuff tested, you know,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: and my test never came back really and yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 10: Twice same doctor.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: You'd be like, well I did seriously wonder like should
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: I go to somebody else?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: That to me was the worst part about the whole problem.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: It wasn't getting it done, and then like the couple
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: days afterwards where you're stuck on the couch, but like
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: every whatever it is three days where you gonna.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Walk in there and be like turn your sample in.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, five six times, and then they're like I
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: keep prying.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I remember when they finally called me. I remember they
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: said the guy that called me he was military and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: he thought I was military because I called him sir,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and I had to clear that up eventually. But uh,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: he calls congratulations. What happened? Test came back negative? So
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: you you kept throwing samples and they were positive. Yeah,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: so you had like a two You had like a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: by bifurcated canal.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know how it works, but didn't work right
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: m And then it became a situation where I didn't
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: want to get it done again because I didn't enjoy
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: the first time. But I kept on being enjoy it.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did enjoy someone cutting into your scroll.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Strangely tying a little not were able to work in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: like a two for one type of pricing.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I should have but no, they charge you for the redo. Yeah,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: no way they did not.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: They did. Oh god, I mean insurance.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Did he find a second tube?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: I apparently should have asked a lot more questions, but no,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: I just showed up, kind of a sullen look on
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: my face, said all right here, I am doc, let's
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: do it again. And he said like, yeah, this should
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: definitely do it.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: This time, and it did. But what happened? I procrastinated, like,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: we're we're really going to get that.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I don't like going down there with those samples.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, no, Look, Kevin Wilkerson's thumb can grow back
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: from nothing to a full thumb with a nail and everything.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: What then, I don't see.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, no, wonder you're so confident to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: shave your mustache.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: You know it's going to grow back. Trust we'll go back. Yeah,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: so no more little Mark Kenyon's on the horizon.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: No more.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Man, I miss those little babies now, man do you? Oh? Yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I don't miss that. Earl kind of want to adopt
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: a little baby.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: Maybe give me two years old, not six months.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: You see how bad I'm dying to talk about this book.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Talk about the book.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 11: We got a new segment. Hold on before you start,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 11: or say the name. We gotta play the drop.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: You got the drop ready, Phil drops ready?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: You played it for everybody.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 13: It's time for Steve Reads books, so you ain't got
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 13: to That's.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Right, it's time for Steve Reads books. So you ain't
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: got too nice.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised you she didn't want to.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Oh you wanted her to I said, you need to
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: say this, you need to say in a real sexy voice,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: it's time for Steve reads books, so you ain't got to.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: And she said it's time for Steve reads books. You
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: don't have to. I said, no, no, no, no, good try
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: because it's not appealing to the right audience. The kind
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: of person that doesn't want to read books doesn't want
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: to read books because they ain't got to, So you're
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: trying to sell the right audience. This only came up
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: because I read a book when we were on a
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: live show. The live tour guy gave me a book,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: The Care of the Brush Country, and I realized, how
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: could the world's greatest book I had never heard of?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: And I liked that book and I told people the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: best parts. And so I came with this idea that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: what I could do from now on, like as a
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: future business line when I retire or whatever, is read
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: books so you ain't got to this doozy listen.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Above the Arctic circle.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Oh can I talk about something different? First? A friend
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: of mine wrote this, look at this book. I'm not
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: going to read this or you ain't got you because
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: it's a guidebook. Bill Carmon who's a was with Rocky
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Mountain Note Foundation check this out. Talk about a novel
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: idea fishing with Daniel Boone fly Fishing the Streams of
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: an American Hero. So, if you're into Daniel Boone lore
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: about like, oh, you know one day he killed seventeen
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: bears on the Big Sandy or was raised on the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Upper Yadkin whatever he lays out, hire and go fish
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: those places so you can fish there and then read
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: all about what happened there. So and so got killed
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: right over yonder tryum peasant. That's a great idea for
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: the book. If you live around if you live around Kentucky, Tennessee,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Kentucky in particular, you like to fish, this will infuse
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: all your fishing with all kinds of history.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like a roadside geology type of Take right,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I call him Bill Carmen William F.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Carmon fly Fishing the Streams of an American Hero.
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  Speaker 3: And then you're kind of ripping off like cliffs notes
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  Speaker 3: for your your idea.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Well, no, because I don't. Actually, when I do this segment,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Steve Read's books that you ain't got to. I don't.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the parts that really grab me.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: It's not like a summation of buck goes on. But
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this is a guy James A. Carroll
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  Speaker 1: The Alaska Journals of James A. Carroll, nineteen eleven nineteen
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: twenty two. He's a cook. He cooks that logging camps
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota and eventually winds up up in Alaska. So
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: he winds up in Alaska. I need to put my
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: spectacles on. He winds up up in Alaska nineteen eleven
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: seeking work as a cook, but becomes a fur trapper
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and has a lot of amazing adventures. And what I
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: like about the book in particular is, uh, he looks
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: at everything through a food lens. He's very astute about food.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: He gets into gets into. At one point one of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: his cooking techniques, he's bragging up how good he is
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: at cooking. I could bake anything with the reflector, pies, biscuits, etc.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: I used to cook our beans in a bean hole.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Way for this, I used to cook our beans in
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: a bean hole. This bean hole is made by digging
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: a hole in the ground three feet by two feet.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I would fill this hole full of small cut wood.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: When all the wood burned down to hot coals. I
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: would rake a hole in these hot coals and set
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: the bean pot into the center and rake the hot
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: coals back over the pot. Then I would cover it
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: all over a six or eight inches of dirt. You
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: know why this turns out so good? He says, He
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: buries it so deep. Quote none of the flavors could escape. Okay,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: ready for this. This is when he's up in Alaska.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: He's got a guy who hangs out. I would name Riyger,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: who raises hogs. Okay, in the early evening hours, Riger,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: this is all on the Yukon. In the early evening hours.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Riger invited me down to the river bank. He wanted
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: to show me how he fed his hogs. He wanted
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: to show me how I fed his hogs. Right from
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: the river, Birch Creek teamed with fish of all kinds,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: predominantly pike. As soon as Riger reached for his fishing pole,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: it would alert all the pigs and they would come
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: running from all directions. Sometimes they would run between his
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: legs and nearly trip Riger. It seemed almost as soon
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: as Rieger's spoon hit the water, a pike would grab it.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Riger had a club to kill the fish as soon
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: as he dragged it to shore. In the meantime, the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: pigs were all squealing up and down the bank waiting
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: for their supper of fish. The hogs would fight over
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: the pike. It would take him about an hour. Now
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I'm skipping ahead. It would take him about an hour
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: to feed his herd of hogs. Now he dubs this
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: operation Riiger's Ranch.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if those hogs are fishy, taste.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Well, funny? You should ask listen to this tidbit. Okay,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: it so hold that in mind for mix. He has
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: another there's another food tipping. No, I'll get to your question. Okay.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: They got a guy in their camp that doesn't want
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: to eat bear meat. It says he can't eat bear meat.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: So so James Carroll, the author, kills a bear and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: he's gonna serve it. But there's this guy that doesn't
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: want to eat bear meat. So James Carroll cooks a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: bunch of bear meat. Says he had a camp hunter,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Bill Bill Hogshead was the camp hunter brings a small
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: black bear in to camp. He's gonna make a pot
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: roast out of the bear. Okay, so he cuts the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: bear's ribs into short ribs, puts him in a pot.
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  Speaker 1: The guy that comes in that doesn't like beary me
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: asks what's in a pot. He tells him it's short
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: ribs from Ryger's ranch. He says, no, it's not. Don't
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: smell like fish. On the night we can't with mister Stead.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: He fried us up a lot of caribou steak for
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: our supper. Being a cook myself, I observed how he
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: went about preparing it. While Stead stood over the cookstove
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: watching the steaks of caribou cook, he would comb his
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: beard with the same fork he turned the steaks with.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: He did this unconsciously. I learned a new wrinkle about
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: bread baking from Stead. He had a large batch of
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: bread raising in a big tin dishpan with a yellow
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: tom cat sleeping on top of the dough. I thought
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the cat was sleeping where it shouldn't, so I told
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Stead the cat was sleeping on his bread. Oh, that's nothing.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: There is always a dishcloth between the dough and the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: cat to keep the dough clean. He the narrator, complains
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: to another guy about it. The guy says, that's where
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: the cat always sleeps. Ready for this, there's a guy
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: that splits wood in town and for a Yukon. He
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: splits and sells wood to people in town, but someone
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: keeps working the wood off his pile. He drills. He
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: takes an augur bit and drills out a bunch of
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: wood and packs it full of gunpowder and sets it
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: on top of the pile. Quickly finds the thief, blows
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: the burns the thief's house down. What else Here's so
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna talk about. Then scratched it out, which
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  Speaker 1: makes me wonder what it was ready for this he
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: would get as drunk as a boiled owl.
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  Speaker 2: I've only seen Mark is drunk as a boiled.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Owl one time. The other day, I said in the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Vicara of the Brush Country, Oh, Crinny forgot to remind me.
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  Speaker 10: I was just gonna remind you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's two things from Vicaro of a Brush Country
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: terms that I didn't tell people about. You know what
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: you call it buck old mossy horns. You've made this
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: from Michigan. Yeah. I used to think that when you
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: call the buck old mossy horns, people were losing track
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: of the fact that bucks shed their antlers, and we
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: would say that's where old mossy horns lives. Like what
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: when you hear old mossy horns being from Michigan, what
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: do you think you're saying about that buck?
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  Speaker 7: Big old swamp buck yep old is the biggest thing
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: and so old and big that he had moscar on
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: his antlers.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: You know what it means, well, I learned this in
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: vicarea of the brush country. When a long horn gets old,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: the sheen on that horn starts to break apart, like
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: he's got smooth horn, but growing from the base outward.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Eventually it gets like that sheen breaks and it gets
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: kind of crumbly over time from exposure to the sun
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: and weather, and he becomes old mossy horns. He's so
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: old that it becomes like a like a brittlely kind
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: of hairy coating on that horn. That's what old mossy
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: horns is.
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  Speaker 7: That is interesting.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: He also says, he says there there was more of
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: something than fiddlers in hell. Drunk is a boiled owl.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Here he's trapping, he traps. You know, you know what
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: you hear about caribou herds, the porcupine herds of the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Porcupine River. I remember one time I had three poor
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: and damaged cross fox. One had no tail, one had
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: no head, the third one had badly rubbed hips. I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: told Jack that I was going to try to make
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: a whole cross fox from these three damaged ones. Jack
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: didn't think much of the idea. One of the fox
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: had a good head and shoulders, one had good hips,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and the third one had a good tail in hips.
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  Speaker 1: I trimmed off all the ragged edges and rugged rubbed pieces.
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  Speaker 1: I was good at sewing, considering the short experience I
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: had had the past winter. I simply sewed the head
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: and shoulders together, and then I fastened on the good
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: hips and tail and pulled it loosely over a stretcher.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: The whole fox pelt was probably a little shorter than
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: average length. When we were showing our collection of furs
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: to a fur barre, he picked up this tailor made
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: cross fox, first, shook it out and said, now that's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: what I call a nice little cross You ready for this?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: After we arrived in town, I stayed at Jim Haley's
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: roadhouse for a month. Old Jim was a great soup maker.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: He had a large don't laugh, he had a large
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: seven gallon soup kettle that he always kept full of soup.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: It's not funny. I often wondered afterwards how he kept
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: so much soup on hand without its souring on him.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: He must have kept adding soda to it. He used
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: to put all kinds of small game in his suit,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: such as squirrels, ducks, ground squirrels, rabbits, and sometimes a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: piece of moot or caribou meat that the Indians happened
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: to bring in. They were all good to Jim in
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: this respect. Jim always had soup to serve any time
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: of the day or night. One time, Jim had his
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: soup pot and slop bucket sitting side by side. By mistake,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: a fellow by the name of White emptied his wash
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: basin in Jim's soup pot instead of the slop bucket.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: His soup was still as popular as ever. Ready for this,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I remember curly well and I stout that Schuman's overnight.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: We told him we would like to get an early
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: start in the morning. Schumann said in his alarm clock
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: to ring at four o'clock. When the alarm went off,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: it woke me up, too, so I lay awake in
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: bed until breakfast was ready. Schumann got right up, made
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: a hot fire in a big cast iron flat top
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: heater he had. I watched Schumann all the time. He
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: didn't know it. First thing he did toward cooking our
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: breakfast was to spit a mouthful of tobacco juice on
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: top of his cast iron heater. After this burned out dry,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: he made our toast on the same stove. As soon
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: as Curly got up, I told him of the incident.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Schumann wanted to know why we were not hungry that morning.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: We told him we had drunk some bad whiskey the
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: evening before, and that we would settle for a cup
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: of coffee. Pay for this. That's not that interesting, Oh no,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: it is interesting. In August nineteen twelve and nineteen, it's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: a historical tidbit. In August nineteen twelve and nineteen thirteen,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I decided to pull out for the trap line. The
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: outfit of grub bean cook advanced me. The outfit of
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: grub Okay, the outfit of food bean cook advanced me
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: amounted to one hundred and thirty dollars. I never took
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: any bacon or lard with me. I figured I'm using
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: bear for bacon and lard of some old guys that Now,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: this guy's the toughest guy on the planet. But he's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: talking about the guys that are really tough. He says
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: this of them, the old timers. So this is the
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: old timers at that time. They lived tough, eight tough,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: and died hard. That's what I would like written on
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: my tombstone when I'm buried in the Twin Lakes Cemetery.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Ready for another one. This guy is he's moose hunting,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: and he's talking about how he'll rake in moose pre
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: rut still a to still use the day you take
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: him scapula or an ant or whatever right rake brush.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: He believes this. He believes that moose. That this is
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: an interesting belief. Brown bears, he says, hunt moose the
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: same way. Sometimes a brown bear will fool a moose
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: by clawing at a dry hollow tree. A moose, generally
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: on the run, runs in the direction of such a sound.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: The bear charges the moose that has run right to him. Wow,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Remind me to tell you a hot tip when we're
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: done here about moose. So I can't remember if I
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: told you.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: He's checking their scouting for trapping sign and his buddy
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: uh eagle. Every time they find a mink track, he
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: gets down and smells that track. He says he can
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: smell whether it's fresh. He's got sled dogs when he's trapping,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: and he feeds him mostly fish. After I got home,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: I did some fishing with a gaff hook and I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: hooked out five hundred dog salmon esz one day he
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: hooks out eight hundred dog salmon with a.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Gaff and he refers to it as some fishing. Did
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: some fishing. I didn't dedicate a day to it.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: There was no law in fort Yukon in nineteen This
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: is he's talking about the winter nineteen twelve nineteen thirteen,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: and they bring in a US Commissioner who now is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: supposed to assume control of fort Yukon. He comes into
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: town and he's got a number of people that he's
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: got for land injunctions. Basically, he's got people. He's got
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: a couple of people he's going to prosecute for living
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: on land they don't own. And he decides to prosecute
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: some other people for illegal cohabitation living with their girlfriend.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Does two indictments, subpoena's all fifty residents of Fort Yukon
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: in the winter makes all fifty residents of fort Yukon
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: travel to Fairbanks for these trials. The jury in Fairbanks
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: acquits everyone and they send the whole town back home.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Geez got nothing out of it. When he left. He
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: had some links he hadn't skinned yet, and he put
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: him in his bed, wrapped up in his blanket. But
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: he says he got back and there still frozen stiff.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe this I okay, talking about the Winner in nineteen ten,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: nineteen eleven. He's trapping. I got home early that evening.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Before I left the cabin that morning, I had left
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: a partly frozen lynx wrapped up in my bed. This
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: was to prevent it from freezing harder. I wanted to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: get the lynx thought out so I could skin it out,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: for its pelt links have thousands of fleas on them.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Even when the flesh is partly frozen. As soon as
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: the cabin warms up, the fleas leave the cat and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: get all over one's blankets and clothes. The Marshal, this
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: is the Marshal, there to serve him a subpoena. The
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Marshal got quite a jolt when I unwrapped the dead
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: frozen link from my bedding. David nearly laughed his head off.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: They both stayed with me that night. They told me
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: in the morning that the fleas nearly ate them up
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: alive and that they hadn't slept a wink all night
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: from scratching. Well, I said, they kept me awake all
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: night too. What's this here? He's drinking with a guy
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: named Doc, and they got a bottle of whiskey and
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: little glasses and he says Doc had a method. I
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: don't need to drink it. Second, ex explain it. Doc
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: had a method that he had a small shot and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: huge fingers, and he could wrap his fingers so tight
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: around the shot glass that he said they acted as
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: sideboards and he could fit more whiskey in his cup
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: by creating extra volume around his cup just with his fingers,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: and then would walk away from the bottle. It's not funny.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: I like how the flea dealing just like implies that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: this is just the way it is.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: Like like, yep, I got bitter too, I.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Gotta deal with the fleas. There's no changing this method.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Now he's married and he traps with his wife Fanny.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: They go out for a whole season Our catch for
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: the season consisted of forty six links, twenty three minks
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: seventy martin. He later goes on and say what he
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: got at the fur buyer. So they go out for
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: the winner, and I did one of those little inflation
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: adjusters which are kind of kind of inaccurate. But he
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: and his wife go out and trap. They catch again
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: forty six links twenty three seventy martin with an inflation adjuster.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: They made forty four forty four thousand bucks that winter trapping.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of the ingenuity of these guys.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: It's the twelfth of April. Okay, they've gone up to
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: trap this twelfth of April, and it's time to come home. Luckily,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: we had a large size toboggan. It was sixteen inches wide,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: nine feet long, and made of hickory boards twelve feet
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: long and four inches wide. The stores those days sold
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: this hickory and also maple boards to the trappers to
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: make their toboggans with. I used to make my own.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I had a form to bend the boards on after
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: they had been steamed. For a steamer. I used a
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: five gallon oil can and two stove pipes. I fitted
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: the pipe in one end of the can. Filled the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: can full of water and set it on a campfire
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: to boil. I shoved the four boards down the stove
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: pipe to the bottom of the can. I stuffed some
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: gunny sacks in the cracks around the top of the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: stove pipe to keep the steam in. In about three hours,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: one could bend the steamed ends like rubber. After the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: boards dried on the form, I fastened them with cross pieces.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I made a basket from a partly tanned big moose
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: hide the full length of the toboggan. I had lash
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: loops all around the top of the basket to lash
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: the load down. We loaded the lynx in the toboggan first.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: They were the most bulky, the martin and mink one
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: could get in a big gunny sack. We had a
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: top heavy load the next year. Check this out. The
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: next year, gets how many links he catches. The whole
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: country came alive with lynx and rabbits. Next year he
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: catches two hundred and twenty five links with his wife
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: in one season. So that was the amount of jingle
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: he was making at that time. There's one other couple
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: of things. Chucky Goners is too. I love it. Oh
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Randa likes it.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: I'm enthralled.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Right now. Muskrats are worth a couple bucks, two dollars,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: three dollars nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty. Guess what muskrats are
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: bringing four dollars apiece?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: He and his wife spend a month traveling through the
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: winter to trap the Crow River flats. They catch. They
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: spend the whole winter, They spend the whole spring there
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: trapping and shooting. They shoot sixteen They trap and shoot
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: sixteen hundred muskrats with three babies with them.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: Wow, jeez, that's serious cash.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Yep. Last in I tell you is this this guy
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: he traps with Curtis. Curtis had his own tent and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: stove and the grub line. Curtis traveled light. He lived
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: off the country mostly when he arrived at the flats.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: This is when they go. They go. They actually travel in.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: Here's what's funny. They're traveling by dog sled. They cross
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: into Canada that they have to stop and go through customs.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: There's a camp that has two mounies there and they
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: got to pay duties on all their stuff, and you
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: pay duties on your sled. Dogs but you get the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: money back if they come back alive. And there's guys
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: that live there just to monitor trappers coming over the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: pass from the Yukon to going to the Crow River
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: Flats to trap muskrats. Curtis had his own tent and
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: stove and the grub line. Curtis traveled light. He lived
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: off the country mostly. When he arrived at the flats,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: he had fifteen pounds of flour, five pounds of sugar,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: one can of lard, one pound of coffee, two pounds
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: of butter, six cans of milk, one half pound of tea,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: and one pound of salt. He gave us his butter, coffee,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: and milk. We didn't want to take this from him,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: but he insisted we take it and said rats and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: flour were all he wanted to eat. He wouldn't accept
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: anything for it. We used to have him eat with
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: us quite often. It didn't take much to satisfy Curtis.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: I used to visit Curtis often to hear him talk.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Our tents were close together. One day I was in
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: his tent when he cooked a batch of rats. He
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: dressed out ten rats and stuck them in a five
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: gallon coal oil can. This coal oil can, and a
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: couple of lard cans were all the cooking dishes he had.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: He put the rats in this five gallon can heads down,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: with their tails hanging over the sides of the can
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: about four inches. He added water and let them boil
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: for one hour. Then he reversed them tails down, heads up.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: This gave the tails a chance to cook. The tails
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: of the rats are very good eating when boiled or
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: cooked over a campfire. Eight tails with a small piece
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: of bannock makes feed for a person. After cooking them
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: another half hour, he would thicken the juice with a
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: cup of flour, making a thick white gravy. This concoction
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: would last Curtis for three days. Whenever he wanted to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: meat eat a meal, he would fork out of the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: can a whole rat, together with some white gravy. This
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: didn't allow much variety, but Curtis seemed to relish it
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: rats for breakfast, dinner, and supper. When a person is
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: hungry and a long way from a store, anything tastes good,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: no matter how many times one eats the same thing.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Behind curtis sheet iron stove in his tent, he had
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: a pile of rat bones as big as a large
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: rat house. These were the bones from all the rat
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: he had eaten recently. The last thing I'll tell you
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: about Curtis. Yeah, when they get done with trapping season,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: they go back for Yukon. Curtis brings two large gunny
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: sacks full of dried rats that he can eat during
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: the summer.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 11: I think stopped a recipe like this and the next
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 11: meat eater outdoor cookbook or cookbook, and then when we
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 11: do like a podcast like we did this year, Randall
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 11: can be the rep cooker.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, I think we should just bring him in and
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: cook him right here and get dirt in on it.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Dirt would love Steve.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 7: When you read a book just for yourself, not for
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 7: the podcast.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Do you I wasn't reading it for the book, Okay.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: So my questions.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 7: I can kind of see over your shoulder though, like
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: you've notated it, You've you've got out, you've got lines
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 7: on the side, you've got stars, you've got some things underline.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: Do you do that in any book you read? Or
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 7: just did you come back to this book and say, oh,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: I want to talk about this piece, this piece.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Well, if I don't have my pencil hand my penhandy,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: I just fold all the pages. Then they come back
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: and mark it. But I drenint like to read with
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: my pen interesting and mark all the parts that titlate
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: me it's a great word.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 11: And then remember everybody, that was a segment called.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm so sorry, oh sorry, it's.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 13: Time for Steve Read's books, so you ain't got to
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 13: That'll be a recurring segment.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Part of why I'm reading this book is we were
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: working on, you know, our Metia's American History. So we
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: did the Long Hunters, the next we're going to do
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: the mountain Men. After the Mountain then we're going to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: do the Buffalo Hide Hunters. At some point we have
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: four or five of them to go. We have five
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: to go, five including the mountain Men. At some point
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I want to do the Last Frontier and like they
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: have their bracketed. So the Long Hunters is seventeen sixty
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: six to seventeen seventy, yeah.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: Sixty sixty one or sixty three to seventy five, I don't.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Remember what we called it. The Mountain then will probably
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: be eighteen o five to eighteen thirty two. And when
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: we do the Last Frontier, I'm thinking I'm thinking gold
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: Rush to statehood, so bigger, a bigger chunk of time.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Some kind of that was kind of in thinking about
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: that reading that book.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: What happens to these books after you've read them? Do
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: you keep every book that you get your hands on
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: and reading.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I'm keeping that son of a bitch, that's right.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking they could be good for the auction house,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: especially with your oh annotation.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great book, man. Oh. Dirk Durham from
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Phelps Game calls the bugler the bugler. Do you see
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: this thing he sent in?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Some guys goofing on their body near Lewis Town, Idaho,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: took out a billboard with their buddy's face on it.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: He says, here's the deal. Need archery lessons call literally
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: anyone but Bob.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: Huge.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: They put it on. They put it on his route
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: to work.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: What does Bob do for work?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it is not very successful. Hunters his problem, so
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: they're just dogging on him. They put his face, they
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: left off his last name. Need archery lessons call literally
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: anyone but Bob.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: And you know, you've got to think about how many
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: people have joked about doing that to one of their buddies.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: But these guys carried it out, saw it to.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Actually put money where their mouth is put.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: What that costs him?
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Well, seth where we go? Can you update us on
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: the A frame?
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, things are happening talking about what happened. So
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: back in early December, I think it was a tree
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: fell on my shitty old check in Alaska.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Cut a big old groove out of it, big old hole. Yeah,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: it messed a lot.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: It's kind of a blessing in disguise because there well
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: there was a lot of rot issues that I didn't
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: know about that had been covered up by certain things.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: And when like the roof, well when the tree hit,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: it just broke everything loose. But we have.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 5: A real good buddy of ours, Dustin Olson's going up
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: here in a couple of weeks to basically fix everything
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: that needs fixed by the summer we get up. By
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: the time we get there in the summer, it should
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: have a front and a back porch.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 13: Oh.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: So he's going up just to work.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's going for two weeks, him and someboddiess a.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: He's a really good contractor, does great work. We we
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: met him through he he had he used to go
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: up there and still does and work for the fishing
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: lodge in the summer doing doing well. Not as he
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: go up in the spring, just do contracting work. And
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: uh yeah, kind of met him. He reached out to
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: Kelsey one time and said, hey, like, if you guys
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: need any help with anything up there, let me know.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: He's going to root out all the rot Yeah, he's
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: basically replacing the front in the back wall of the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: a frame, fixing the roof, and putting the front and
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: back porch on it.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: So you only have two more walls to go after this, the.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Front rotten one, in the back rotten one, right, and
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: then the reft rest is the broken the broken roof,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: which the.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: Roof wasn't rotten. Well, their spot. They had sky lights
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: in it, which is a terrible if you're ever building
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: a place in Southeast Alaska, don't put the skylights in
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: your roof. So the beams around those were rotten. He's
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: pulling those out.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, I wonder if that's gonna start leaking.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well my dad would recommend today you never in
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: any home but skylight.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Especially in a place that gets thirteen feet of rain.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So yeah, it's gonna be a different looking place
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: when we get up there.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: Have you hit a point where you where you did
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: well regret it? Yeah? No so but even after the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: tree fell on it, did you think yourself, I wish
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: I would have never bought a cabin.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: No, I told myself from day one, as long as
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: the you know, as long as we own the land,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: like I'm happy because I eventually they might take a while,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: but eventually, like when the when the tree hit, I
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: was like, this sucks, but we're still own the land,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: and it's like not the end of our time there.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: M like, no matter how long it takes, we'll eventually
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: like rebuild something just because that I mean, that's like
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: my favorite place on Earth.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: And that place is always work and so you know
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: that going into it. Yeah, tree or not tree, you
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: go up there and do a bunch of work and
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: as a lifestyle you like it.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: And people might be like, how like we spend three
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: Like this year, we're gonna spend three weeks up there,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: Like how can you justify doing all that just to
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: spend three weeks at a place?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 9: You learn?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Someone you don't know.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: Until you actually experience it, you'll never understand it.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, if you're you know, you got
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: you gotta keep up your mental acuity as you get older. Yeah,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: like the way you know you gotta stay engaged. Now
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: if you grow up not in that marine environment, the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: amount of stuff you have to learn, I think it's
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, way better reading book. I mean I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: like reading books. You saw me, But to go like, well,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you could grow up not
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: there and you go there and you have to learn
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: all about everything that it takes to be there. Yep,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: that's good for.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: Your head totally.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: I think you have to learn a lot. Oh yeah,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: you have to learn basically stretches your brain back out again.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: And you learn how to build stuff in ways that
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: last a long time. You learn how to schedule your
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: day out because you live and die by the tide
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: up there.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: You learn how to make do with that you can't
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: run to the store. Yeah, you got to make something.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Looking around for rusty nails and stuff. I think I
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: did see a rusty bent up nail over there, probably, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: You learn to dig through your neighbor's place for stuff.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: You try to remember where you saw a garbage you know,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: and now I wish you had your where you put
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: garbage that you wish you had to have thrown out
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: because you want it back now.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you second guests throwing out everything or burning any thing.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: It's like, should I burn that half rotten two by four?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: I might be able to use it somewhere, you.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Know, my Jimmy Carter, my USS Jimmy Carter hat. Yeah,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: I found it beach Combe, a USS Jimmy Carter hat.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Kept it. It got real moldy, and I always looked at it,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: and it's always like kind of like do you get
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: rid of stuff? Do you not get rid of stuff
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: when it gets moldy or whatever? One day I put
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: that Jimmy Carter hat on top of a burn pile
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: soaked with gas. This is the truth. I was like,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: kind of burn that hat, which decision I did not take. Lightly,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: had a pile of garbage soaked with gas. Put the
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: hat on top. Put a lighter to that pile. You know,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: you know it explodes, you know, yeah, shouldn't you? Shot
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: that hat off the pile and it landed over yonder
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: just sign from above. I wear that hat every time
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: I'm there now some.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: It was like, God, maybe that maybe Jimmy Carter's soul
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: is trapped in that hat and that's how he's living.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: So it was God saying, don't burn that hat.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because I guess you must. That must have
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: happened since the last time I've been there, because I
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: was gonna say, I've never seen you wear that hat.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: I wear it now after that happened. I know when
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: I know a sign when I see one.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: You wear that, and then when you get to burn
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: and stuff you put on that.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: My note, I have a flame over of helicopter suit.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: What do they call that stuff? No man? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: we burned so much stuff. We bought that place. Me
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: and uh Danny both have flameproof suits. We won't get
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: from every day. We just zip up our flameproof suits
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: and burn stuff. I had an uncle die burning leaves,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: not really my uncle, but we call them our uncle.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: I have a pile of stuff to burn this summer.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 11: Well, we'll get some updates from up there, because you
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 11: guys are gonna be recording some two podcasts, so maybe
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 11: maybe you'll.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 10: Do one from that A frame.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Stuff. I wouldn't burn that, Sorry, Yanny, go ahead, you
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: should wear your hat. I will wear my hat uss
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter, it's a nuclear sub all right. Thanks everybody,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: give me, give me.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: A little of fear. Something that inspired put me, put
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: me all. That's what lies my fire. We know when
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: ros Grove we would be undumb. We will be part
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: of the gray story of how to live. Like when
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: you have got our bad cotry or paid up. We're
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: gonna bring you here, then us that you have, let
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 6: us be your friend.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 15: What you give to cor Ristle allows us to survive sunrise.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Who said all.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 16: Brown vote a down good ride, turn dust in to
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 16: a founder ride down ureas.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 17: We've seen a lot of beauty, because we've seen a
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 17: lot of scene.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: Rise in line, never friandy time disappears. Where we're going
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: with what we've gotta do, we'll leave denied.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: By our rear.
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  Speaker 6: W been cotry over. Now we're gonna breathe you in
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 6: the song that you have. Let us be your friend.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: What you gilt to your rise soup.
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  Speaker 2: Allows us to survive.
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  Speaker 6: Sun rise. Go said all round.
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  Speaker 17: For the damn good ride, when you see all the
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  Speaker 17: bus and be in the money trees to the fall.
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  Speaker 15: We decide we ain't gonna be no, Johnny apple.
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  Speaker 8: Seed, pladder ladder, bring us, bring us a lift to ray.
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  Speaker 6: Show us walk and grow.
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  Speaker 16: All ours to him to the truth, never get me.
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  Speaker 6: We fall back, cortrypen. Now we're gonna breathe you in
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  Speaker 6: the are so that you are. Let us be your friend.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: Dot you give to our rise. Souf allows us to survive.
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  Speaker 9: Time rise and said all round, go to dawn, you ride, go.
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  Speaker 6: To down bird ride, got it down ride boo