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Hail Mary on Hegseth · David Pollack Primetime

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not going down without a fight. Thomas Massey,
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Speaker 1: less than two months left in Congress, and he's spending
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Speaker 1: them trying to impeach the Republican Secretary of War. Monday,
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Speaker 1: Massey reintroduced eight articles of impeachment against Pete Hegseth. What
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Speaker 1: is he alleging? THREE ARTICLES SAY THE IRAN WAR BROKE
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Speaker 1: THE WAR POWERS RESOLUTION, NO DECLARATION OF WAR, FIGHTING PAST
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Speaker 1: THE 60-DAY LIMIT AND CARRYING ON AFTER BOTH CHAMBERS VOTED
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Speaker 1: TO BRING THE TROOPS HOME. ONE SAYS HEGSEF IGNORED THE
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Speaker 1: LAWS THAT PROTECT CIVILIANS. ONE CALLS THE STRIKES ON SUSPECTED
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Speaker 1: DRUG BOATS EXTRA JUDICIAL KILLINGS. ONE SAYS HE RETALIATED AGAINST
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Speaker 1: DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MARK KELLY FOR HIS SPEECH. ONE CALLS THE
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Speaker 1: CAPTURE OF NICHOLAS kidnapping and one charges an unlawful war
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Speaker 1: in Yemen here's how Hegseth answered this morning at.
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Speaker 2: The Pentagon disgruntled and defeated congressman is attempting is not
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Speaker 2: oversight and it's not accountability it's a political spectacle a
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Speaker 2: personal manifesto driven by ego and resentment time for a
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Speaker 2: one man's final days in Congress to try to do
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Speaker 2: damage to this president, this country, and most irresponsibly, the
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Speaker 2: warriors who defend it.
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Speaker 1: It's a farce, and it's a stunt.
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Speaker 2: And everybody knows it.
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Speaker 1: President Trump is just as direct. Monday night on Truth Social,
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Speaker 1: he called Massey a total loser and wrote, Pete Hegseth
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Speaker 1: should be praised, not impeached. Congress, stand up for Pete.
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Speaker 1: And at the White House Monday, he said Pete Hegseth
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Speaker 1: won two wars. Oh, let's impeach him. And let's be real.
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Speaker 1: This is garbage. A desperate attempt by Massey, who got fired,
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Speaker 1: to get President Trump one last time before he leaves office.
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Speaker 1: This is why Massey lost his primary in May to
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Speaker 1: a Trump-backed former Navy SEAL, 55-45. HIS VOTERS, HIS CONSTITUENTS
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Speaker 1: WERE SICK OF THIS PERFORMATIVE NONSENSE. HE'S GONE JANUARY 3RD.
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Speaker 1: THERE'S NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE. SO HE'S TAKING HIS FINAL
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Speaker 1: SWING AT THE PRESIDENT THROUGH THE MAN THE PRESIDENT TRUSTS
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Speaker 1: TO RUN THE PENTAGON. DOES HE PASS THE HOUSE?
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Speaker 3: I DON'T KNOW.
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Speaker 1: MASSIE HIMSELF CONCEDES HE HAS NO CONFIRMED REPUBLICAN VOTES, BUT
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Speaker 1: IT DOESN'T MATTER. NEBRASKA REPUBLICAN DON BACON SAYS HE'S PROBABLY
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Speaker 1: GOING TO VOTE NO. But Arkansas Republican Steve Womack says, quote,
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Speaker 1: my guess is he'll be impeached. And it probably ends there.
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Speaker 1: And it does end there because the real wall is
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Speaker 1: in the Senate. Conviction takes two thirds. So that's 67 votes.
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Speaker 1: Republicans hold 53 seats today, even in January with Democrats
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Speaker 1: at 54 so far or more. Thirteen Republicans would have
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Speaker 1: to cross over. So. So far, I think one retiring senator,
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Speaker 1: Thom Tillis, of course, said he would vote for the effort,
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Speaker 1: but he won't be there. Senator John Cornyn says impeaching
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Speaker 1: cabinet members is not a great idea without a compelling reason.
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Speaker 1: Majority leader John Thune can move to dismiss the charges
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Speaker 1: with a simple majority, the way Democrats did with Mayorkas,
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Speaker 1: but I don't suspect the Republican Senate under John Thune
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Speaker 1: to do Trump any favors here. And just a quick note,
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Speaker 1: the Senate has never convicted a cabinet secretary, not once.
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Speaker 1: So what are the chances this holds up in the Senate?
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Speaker 1: I already told you, none. It's not going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Massey has weeks left. This is how he chose to
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Speaker 1: spend it. It's not going to remove Pete Hagseth. All
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Speaker 1: it does is hand Democrats a playbook for January. Kind
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Speaker 1: of expose how awful these rhinos are as they head
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Speaker 1: out the door, right? Join me now as First Amendment
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Speaker 1: attorney and partner at Bar & Klein PLLC. BENJAMIN BARR, WELCOME, SIR. LOOK,
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Speaker 1: I DON'T THINK THE FRAMERS EVER INTENDED IMPEACHMENT TO BE
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Speaker 1: USED LIKE THE POLITICAL WEAPON IT'S BEEN USED AS. I MEAN,
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Speaker 1: THE DEMOCRATS HAVE WEAPONIZED IT. PRESIDENT TRUMP IMPEACHED TWICE, ONCE
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Speaker 1: AFTER HE WASN'T EVEN IN OFFICE. THEY'RE THREATENING TO USE
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Speaker 1: IT AGAIN FOR GOD KNOWS WHAT. NOW REPUBLICANS ARE IMPEACHING.
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Speaker 1: THE SECRETARY OF WAR SEEMS BOGUS TO ME. WHAT DOES
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Speaker 1: THIS MEAN FOR IMPEACHMENT GOING FORWARD? ARE WE JUST GOING
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Speaker 1: TO EXPECT THIS TO BE USED AS JUST ANOTHER WEAPON?
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, America has been home to more and more lawfare,
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Speaker 4: attacking those with which we share different, profoundly different policy views.
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Speaker 4: And there's only been somewhere around eight successful impeachments across
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Speaker 4: American history. We have held this to a very high standard,
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Speaker 4: deliberately so. And just to start off with, if we
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Speaker 4: just think about the War Powers Resolution Act, there has
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Speaker 4: been no decided judicial understanding of where congressional power ends
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Speaker 4: and executive power begins. Both of the president's Bushes somewhat
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Speaker 4: complied with it. President Clinton continued bombing in Kosovo in
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Speaker 4: outright defiance of the War Powers Resolution Act. President Obama
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Speaker 4: in Libya continued his bombing campaign. So we have at
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Speaker 4: least a recent pretty strong tradition of ignoring that piece
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Speaker 4: of law. So to suddenly invoke it and to use
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Speaker 4: it against one disfavored member of the executive.
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Speaker 1: Seems suspect on its face.
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Speaker 4: And by the way, we haven't even gotten this, we
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Speaker 4: haven't had a firm understanding of this since the beginning
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Speaker 4: of the Republic. It's something that America continues to debate
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Speaker 4: about since day one. Thomas Jefferson in the invasion of
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Speaker 4: the Barbary pirates, him and Hamilton had great debates back
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Speaker 4: and forth about this and what that power means. So
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Speaker 4: we still have a long way to go. So to
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Speaker 4: take something that America has struggled about since its inception,
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Speaker 4: exactly how much power the executive has to launch into
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Speaker 4: these sorts of defensive and offensive maneuvers, and then to
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Speaker 4: premise an impeachment on it, seems constitutionally suspect.
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Speaker 1: Well, and that's exactly what Massey even said himself. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't expect HEXETH TO BE REMOVED, BUT HE WANTED TO
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Speaker 1: FORCE THE CONVERSATION, EXACTLY LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, ON HIS
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Speaker 1: WAY OUT THE DOOR. MASSEY ALWAYS HAS A WAY OF
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Speaker 1: DOING THAT, RIGHT? HE HAS THESE PRINCIPLED REASONS FOR DOING
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Speaker 1: WHAT HE DOES, AND HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES
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Speaker 1: OF ALL OF IT AND THE MESS IT LEAVES BEHIND.
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Speaker 1: AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS CONSEQUENCES TO BE PAID FOR THAT.
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Speaker 1: I DO RESPECT HIM FORCING THE DISCUSSION. I DON'T AGREE
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Speaker 1: THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO DO THE DISCUSSION. AND
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Speaker 1: THAT BEING SAID, THE SUPREME COURT HAS SPOKEN THE PRESIDENT
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Speaker 1: HAS TALKED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S WAR POWERS. THE SUPREME COURT
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Speaker 1: HAS SPOKEN ABOUT ALL OF THIS STUFF. THEY'VE SAID WHAT
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Speaker 1: THE PRESIDENT CAN AND CAN'T DO. THE HOUSE AND THE
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Speaker 1: SENATE NEVER ACTUALLY SENT A WAR POWERS HEGSEFF COULDN'T HAVE
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Speaker 1: VIOLATED A WAR POWERS RESOLUTION AND THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS ABOUT
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Speaker 1: THE BINDING NATURE OF A WAR POWERS RESOLUTION OVER THE
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Speaker 1: COMMANDER IN CHIEF. SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS.
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Speaker 1: THEY'RE NOT QUESTIONS FOR THE LEGISLATIVE BODY TO ANSWER. THIS
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Speaker 1: IS A QUESTION FOR THE SUPREME COURT. THOMAS MASSIE SHOULD
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Speaker 1: HAVE SUED THE ADMINISTRATION IN THE COURTS AND LET THE
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Speaker 1: SUPREME COURT DECIDE, NOT THE POLITICAL PROCESS. AND THIS IS
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Speaker 1: WHY I THINK IMPEACHMENT WAS USED INCORRECTLY, RIGHT?
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Speaker 4: YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE MORE NOBLE APPROACH, DAVID. vagueness
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Speaker 4: and ambiguity about the war powers doctrine. And if you
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Speaker 4: want to do that, yeah, then bring together a coalition
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Speaker 4: of your folks and bring it to your Article III
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Speaker 4: judges and have that set out. But to your earlier point, yeah,
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Speaker 4: we've got binding Supreme Court precedent, INSV Chata. If Congress
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Speaker 4: and Senate aren't going to work with the president in
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Speaker 4: terms of trying to place limits on what they're going
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Speaker 4: to do in a defensive or offensive posture, That's no
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Speaker 4: basis upon which to say the War Powers Resolution Act
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Speaker 4: was violated, certainly no basis for impeachment. The one of
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Speaker 4: these I suspect that has minor teeth is about Senator
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Speaker 4: Kelly and the First Amendment issues there. There's ongoing litigation
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Speaker 4: on that front, and whether the executive branch is somehow
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Speaker 4: chilling speech of a senator or the like, that case
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Speaker 4: still has to be developed. I think that's probably better developed, too,
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Speaker 4: in the courts rather than through the impeachment process that
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Speaker 4: requires a rich factual record, discovery, all those sorts of
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Speaker 4: things to go through. But this all seems fairly weak
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Speaker 4: on its face. And so maybe Massey's using this as
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Speaker 4: a way to tee up litigation or some future effort.
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Speaker 4: But I do generally concur with your sense here. It
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Speaker 4: isn't what the founders intended. And we already have an
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Speaker 4: admission that it's on pretty weak foundations.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what happens with it. It's just going
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Speaker 1: to be yet another distraction, another reason for people to
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Speaker 1: get divided and upset. It's very frustrating to see our
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Speaker 1: own side. We could be using this lame duck session
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Speaker 1: to protect ourselves from the oncoming lawfare. Instead, we're protecting
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Speaker 1: the Secretary of War from an impeachment from our own side. Sir,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here, and I look
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Speaker 1: forward to having you on again real soon. We've got
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Speaker 1: lots of impeachments to discuss, I'm sure.
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Speaker 5: Take care.
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Speaker 1: Take care. STILL AHEAD, THE WEST WING SHAKE UP, THE
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Speaker 1: REPORTS OF A SHOUTING MATCH, THE FIGHT OVER WHO CONTROLS
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Speaker 1: ACCESS TO THE PRESIDENT, AND THE RUMOR STILL FLYING THEN,
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Speaker 1: VAN JONES ADMITS HOW DEMOCRATS SOLD THE LIE OF AFFORDABILITY.
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Speaker 1: AND LATER, TEXAS DEMOCRATS HAVE AN EASY taken power yet,
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Speaker 1: Miller Time's been chief of staff for one whole day,
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Speaker 1: and the West Wing shakeup has already begun. Richard Walters,
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Speaker 1: deputy chief of staff and one of Susie Wiles' closest
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Speaker 1: allies for more than a decade, he's leaving. And the questions, well,
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Speaker 1: they're starting to pile up. What happened in the Oval
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Speaker 1: Office last Thursday, and who's been standing between the president
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Speaker 1: and the people who elected him? Let's start with last Thursday.
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Speaker 1: Friday on Steve Bannon's War Room, Neil W. McCabe, national
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Speaker 1: political reporter for Real America's Voice, said Trump became frustrated and, quote,
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Speaker 1: in essence, shouted Wiles out of the Oval Office. Daily Mail,
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Speaker 1: citing unnamed sources, reports Trump, quote, exploded at her after
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Speaker 1: the midterm losses. A White House official told the paper, quote,
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Speaker 1: he would never yell at Susie. Now, here's what's on
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Speaker 1: the record. Friday, President Trump announced Miller as his chief
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Speaker 1: of staff and wrote of Wiles, she's done a great job.
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Speaker 1: She says serving him was the honor of a lifetime,
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Speaker 1: and she's moving over to the Trump political operation. She's
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Speaker 1: not gone. Then there's the gatekeeping charge. Callie Means, the
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Speaker 1: former Trump health advisor, says advisors around Wiles manipulated what
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Speaker 1: reached the president. Their spokesperson calls his accusations outrageous, defamatory,
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Speaker 1: provably false. Now another Trump loyalist is speaking up, J.R. Majewski,
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Speaker 1: the Ohio Air Force veteran famous for the giant Trump
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Speaker 1: logo on his lawn. He posted on X on Monday
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Speaker 1: night saying, I sat quiet about this for two years,
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Speaker 1: lost friends over my decision. I was fooled. President Trump
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Speaker 1: should know the truth. Video on his YouTube channel, Majewski
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Speaker 1: says that in 2024, while he was running for Congress
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Speaker 1: in Ohio, people on Susie Wiles' staff told him President
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Speaker 1: Trump wanted him out of the race. He says Trump
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Speaker 1: never said a word to him about it, though. And
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Speaker 1: he says when he asked why Trump would not tell
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Speaker 1: him himself if he wanted him out of the race,
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Speaker 1: he got this answer from Wiles' people. He can't ask
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Speaker 1: you directly, J.R., Here's Majewski in his own words.
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Speaker 6: Every single time I dealt with that man directly, he
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Speaker 6: had my back. He thanked me by name. When my
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Speaker 6: mother was ill, he wrote her a letter. When my
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Speaker 6: father passed away, he wrote. He had me on stage
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Speaker 6: all over the country. He apologized to me in front
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Speaker 6: of a crowd in my home state. The only time
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Speaker 6: I was ever told to quit didn't come from him.
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Speaker 6: It came from Susie Walsh.
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Speaker 1: Now, those are Majewski's claims. Means and Majewski are both
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Speaker 1: describing the same problem, that people around the chief of
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Speaker 1: staff were acting in the president's name without his knowledge.
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Speaker 1: And here is what President Trump said about Miller on Monday.
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Speaker 1: He's been with me from the beginning. He's smart.
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Speaker 5: He's tough.
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Speaker 1: He's fair. And he actually will get along, I think,
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Speaker 1: very well with the Democrats. Whatever happened in the Oval Office,
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Speaker 1: The president made his choice. He chose the man who
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Speaker 1: has been at his side since the start. And with
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Speaker 1: Democrats about to take over Congress, that is who I
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Speaker 1: want in the room. Joining me now, Neal W. McCabe,
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Speaker 1: national political reporter for Real America's Voice and a former
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Speaker 1: Washington bureau chief for this network. Neal, welcome back to
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Speaker 1: David Pollak Prime Time. Wow. So, look, there's a lot. And, look,
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Speaker 1: over the years, doing what we do, we hang out
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Speaker 1: with people, we network, we shake hands, we listen to stories.
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Speaker 1: And you hear this story about Susie, that she kept
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Speaker 1: things from the president, that... SHE'S THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
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Speaker 1: IF SHE WENT TO THE PRESIDENT WITH EVERY POSSIBLE SINGLE
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Speaker 1: THING THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT TO HER, THE PRESIDENT WOULDN'T HAVE
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Speaker 1: TIME TO DO ANYTHING, LET ALONE PRESS THE DIET COOK BUTTON.
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Speaker 1: SO I WOULD UNDERSTAND HER HAVING TO GATE KEEP TO
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Speaker 1: SOME EXTENT. THAT'S HER JOB AS CHIEF OF STAFF. THIS
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Speaker 1: IS NOT UNCOMMON. BUT I HEARD THESE THINGS THROUGHOUT THE
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Speaker 1: YEARS AND NOW SHE'S OUT AND NOW PEOPLE ARE MAKING
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Speaker 1: A LOT OF ALLEGATIONS. YOU TALKED ABOUT A SHOUTING MATCH.
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Speaker 1: IS THERE MORE TO THIS STORY.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's natural after a midterm, especially one
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Speaker 7: that didn't go as planned, that there's going to be
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Speaker 7: some changes. A lot of times, want to sort of
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Speaker 7: time their departure around the State of the Union. In fact,
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Speaker 7: there have been media reports that Suzy actually asked the
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Speaker 7: president if she could stay on through February, and the
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Speaker 7: president said no. And basically, after the president shouted her
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Speaker 7: out of the Oval Office, along with one of her loyalists,
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Speaker 7: Morgan DeWitt, who ran the White House Personnel Office, her
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Speaker 7: position became untenable. because there was just no way you can,
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Speaker 7: there's just no way you can recover from that kind
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Speaker 7: of confrontation with the president of the United States in
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Speaker 7: front of your colleagues and in front of your staff.
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Speaker 7: And so, you know, they gave her a soft landing with,
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Speaker 7: you know, the political action committee. And so, you know,
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Speaker 7: she's not going to be, you know, she's not going
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Speaker 7: to be on food stamps. She'll be fine. She'll be fine.
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Speaker 7: But the problem, That's coming up in front. You just understand, right?
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Speaker 7: When she was in power, people were very hesitant to
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Speaker 7: talk about the situation because, you know, you don't you
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Speaker 7: don't want to burn bridges. And she is a very
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Speaker 7: powerful woman or was a very powerful woman. But over
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Speaker 7: and over again, what you hear is that she would block.
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Speaker 7: She would block people from getting to the president. She
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Speaker 7: would block policies and policy ideas from getting to the president.
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Speaker 1: And she would block people.
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Speaker 7: And eventually, she and Morgan DeWitt would force people out
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Speaker 7: of the administration, especially what they called end runners. That's
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Speaker 7: sort of their slang for anyone who tried to go around.
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Speaker 1: Them to the president.
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Speaker 7: So regardless of policy or politics, the number one crime
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Speaker 7: for the chief of staff, Susie Wiles, was not going
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Speaker 7: through her. And we saw that even before the inauguration
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Speaker 7: because Pete Hegg says nomination to lead the Pentagon didn't
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Speaker 7: go through her. Matt Gaetz's nomination to be the Attorney
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Speaker 7: General didn't go through her. And then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 7: the President of the United States wins this huge landslide,
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Speaker 7: all of a sudden there are all these media stories,
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Speaker 7: and all of a sudden there are people on Capitol
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Speaker 7: Hill creating all of this hate and discontent directed at
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Speaker 7: nominees that did not go through her. Because when she
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Speaker 7: took the job, she made the President promise that everything
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Speaker 7: would go through her, That just became the sine qua non.
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Speaker 7: And she became unable to handle other voices in the
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Speaker 7: presidency here, which, you know, and I can understand it,
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Speaker 7: but the president needs to have that sort of collaboration
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Speaker 7: of advisors. And so her job is to coordinate. Her
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Speaker 7: job is to get things done and follow through. But
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Speaker 7: she saw herself as sort of the Trump whisperer.
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Speaker 1: And eventually, you know, it works until it.
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Speaker 7: Doesn't work, David. And so listen, if the Republicans won
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Speaker 7: the House and Senate, if the Republicans had a decent midterm,
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Speaker 7: she would be fine and everything would coast along. But
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Speaker 7: the truth of the matter is the Republican Party had
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Speaker 7: a wipeout in Texas. And there's just no way a
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Speaker 7: Republican can win the White House without Texas. She had
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Speaker 7: a wipeout in Ohio with the Republican Party. And across
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Speaker 7: the country, there were losses in the House and Senate
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Speaker 7: that she did not tell the president were coming. She
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Speaker 7: was doing all this happy talk. She and her political team,
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Speaker 7: especially her protege, James Blair, were making the president do
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Speaker 7: like 30 rallies in the last month of the campaign.
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Speaker 7: And then it becomes ridiculous, David, because I'll stick it here,
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Speaker 7: that in the days before the election, The Atlantic Magazine
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Speaker 7: ran this article that basically said James Blair is a
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Speaker 7: genius and it's all the president's fault.
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Speaker 1: Because of his stupid war.
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Speaker 7: And where do you think that article came from, right?
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Speaker 7: And then the day before the election in the New
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Speaker 7: York Times, or excuse me, the day after the election
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Speaker 7: in the New York Times, is an insider account of
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Speaker 7: how Blair and Susie and the pollsters and all the
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Speaker 7: staffers were laughing and joking about the coming tsunami. But
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Speaker 7: at the same time they're joking about the coming tsunami,
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Speaker 7: they're running the president all over the country. And so
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Speaker 7: you can imagine Why he got frustrated Yeah, look.
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Speaker 1: An award of caution, though, for anybody thinking that, ah, well,
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Speaker 1: Susie Wiles is out. I can finally bear all of
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Speaker 1: my emotions and personal feelings. She and some of her deputies,
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Speaker 1: James Blair, are very powerful people in Florida. Florida is
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Speaker 1: now the epicenter, as it's been for the last few years,
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Speaker 1: of politics. You have probably at least two out of
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Speaker 1: the three frontrunners for the next presidential election coming from Florida.
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Speaker 1: Susie Wiles is a powerhouse in Florida. James Blair, powerhouse
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Speaker 1: in Florida. So, I mean, regardless of what happened, anybody
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Speaker 1: with any ambition should probably take a step back and go,
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Speaker 1: wait a second, she's not less powerful now. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, she's probably more powerful considering anybody who
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Speaker 1: wants to enter that Oval Office again. is probably going
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Speaker 1: to need her help in that state. So we'll see
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Speaker 1: what happens. The stories are fascinating. Regardless of what happened,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's time to move forward. And moving
20:53
Speaker 1: forward means stopping the impeachment, stopping the investigation, stopping the indictments,
20:58
Speaker 1: stopping the radical agenda. The president will find ways to
21:01
Speaker 1: work with the Democrats. Stephen Miller is a wartime chief
21:04
Speaker 1: of staff, and he has the president's back, which is
21:06
Speaker 1: what the president needs right now. But at the end
21:08
Speaker 1: of the day, I still believe in this president. I
21:10
Speaker 1: believe in this administration, and I think everything's going to
21:12
Speaker 1: be okay. But we'll see. We'll see. Neil W. McCabe,
21:16
Speaker 1: you're fantastic. Wealth of information. Thank you so much for
21:18
Speaker 1: being here, my friend.
21:18
Speaker 5: All right.
21:20
Speaker 1: Take care, David.
21:20
Speaker 7: Be good.
21:22
Speaker 1: Till it come. Democrats won the midterms on one word. Affordability. Now,
21:29
Speaker 1: Van Jones says an online network of tens of thousands
21:34
Speaker 1: of people made it stick while the jobs and growth
21:37
Speaker 1: numbers said something else. Was America lied to right after this?
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22:15
Speaker 1: Talk you can't get anywhere else. DEMOCRATS WON THE MIDTERMS, RIGHT?
22:28
Speaker 1: WE CAN'T FORGET THAT. BUT THEY RAN ON ONE WORD, RIGHT? AFFORDABILITY.
22:34
Speaker 1: THEY SAID IT EVERY DAY, ON EVERY FEED, FOR MONTHS, AFFORDABILITY, AFFORDABILITY,
22:39
Speaker 1: THIS ECONOMY, EVEN THE AMERICA FIRST PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT
22:43
Speaker 1: USED TO BE LOYAL TO TRUMP, EVERY ARGUMENT THEY MADE,
22:46
Speaker 1: LOOK AT THIS ECONOMY, IT'S SO BAD, IT'S ALL TRUMP'S FAULT,
22:49
Speaker 1: HE'S GOING TO LOSE BECAUSE OF AFFORDABILITY, AFFORDABILITY, AFFORDABILITY. NOW,
22:54
Speaker 1: ONE OF THEIR OWN told us how they sold it
22:58
Speaker 1: last Thursday on CNN. Van Jones sat down with Caitlin
23:04
Speaker 1: Collins and said, now it can be told. Here's the
23:09
Speaker 1: big revelation.
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Speaker 8: Look. There's something called the American Accountability Network. Tens of
23:14
Speaker 8: thousands of online humans, not bots, coordinated to make the
23:19
Speaker 8: affordability message a winning message online.
23:21
Speaker 5: $ 32.
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Speaker 9: 5 million.
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Speaker 8: People hit on Instagram every day. 88.8 million hit on
23:32
Speaker 8: Twitter every single day. And 185 million Facebook hits every
23:39
Speaker 8: single day.
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Speaker 1: And they never figured it out. The Republicans could not understand.
23:43
Speaker 1: It wasn't bots. It was actual human beings. They never
23:47
Speaker 1: figured it out? TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING ON
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Speaker 1: ONE MESSAGE, IN HIS WORDS, TYING AFFORDABILITY TO DEMOCRATS ON
23:55
Speaker 1: THE POSITIVE AND REPUBLICANS ON THE NEGATIVE. THEN HE ADDED,
24:00
Speaker 1: DON'T GET MAD AT ME. I WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO
24:02
Speaker 1: REVEAL THIS. AND HE SAYS THAT NETWORK ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
24:09
Speaker 1: SO WHAT WERE THEY SELLING AGAINST? Let's look at the record.
24:14
Speaker 1: Employers added 165,000 jobs in October, more than three times
24:19
Speaker 1: the monthly average of the past year. The economy grew
24:22
Speaker 1: at a 3.4% annual rate last quarter, up from 2.2.
24:25
Speaker 1: The typical American household made $ 87, 460 in 2025, the highest
24:28
Speaker 1: on record. Poverty fell to 10.2%, and child poverty hit
24:30
Speaker 1: a historic low. That's right, thanks to President Trump. Homelessness
24:43
Speaker 1: dropped 6.3% this year when houses were so unaffordable. The
24:47
Speaker 1: largest decrease on record and at the pump, the national
24:51
Speaker 1: average is 398 a gallon and falling and nothing has
24:55
Speaker 1: changed in Iran. It's down 17 cents since just election
25:01
Speaker 1: day seven days ago. Nearly 40 cents in a month.
25:07
Speaker 1: Glenn Beck played that Van Jones clip on his show Monday,
25:11
Speaker 1: and he didn't hold back.
25:12
Speaker 3: Look, people want their life to get better. People want
25:15
Speaker 3: their life to get better. That's what we all want.
25:18
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're Republican, Democrat, or Independent. We
25:21
Speaker 3: all want our life to be better. We want our
25:23
Speaker 3: kids to do better than we've done. We want our
25:25
Speaker 3: kids to be able to find jobs. So you have
25:28
Speaker 3: a policy that is working, that is creating that, and
25:32
Speaker 3: you intentionally go out with all kinds of money and
25:36
Speaker 3: you hire people to lie to the American people to
25:41
Speaker 3: tell them, no, your life is not getting better.
25:44
Speaker 1: Of course, Democrats are already celebrating and haven't even been
25:47
Speaker 1: sworn in yet. They want on a message that doesn't
25:51
Speaker 1: match reality. The jobs, the growth, or the income numbers.
25:56
Speaker 1: And the man who revealed it says the network is
25:59
Speaker 1: staying in place. America, you were lied to. I told
26:07
Speaker 1: you you were being lied to. Then I was called
26:09
Speaker 1: insensitive as a result. The Democrats are admitting it. They said,
26:14
Speaker 1: don't trust your lying eyes. You're suffering whether you like
26:18
Speaker 1: it or not. So elect us. We'll make it better.
26:21
Speaker 1: Tell me how quickly your life gets better when they
26:24
Speaker 1: impeach the president of the United States. Joining me now,
26:27
Speaker 1: Dennis Neal, former anchor at Fox Business and CNBC, former
26:30
Speaker 1: managing editor of Forbes, and a columnist for Newsmax. Dennis, welcome.
26:35
Speaker 1: I'm pissed. I'm pissed because this economy is roaring. President
26:39
Speaker 1: Trump has done an amazing job and nobody knows it.
26:43
Speaker 1: And they were lied to. They're admitting they lied. And
26:46
Speaker 1: yet I took so much crap from so many people
26:50
Speaker 1: calling me a cult member, a MAGA extremist. I will
26:53
Speaker 1: believe anything he says. The numbers were there the whole time.
26:56
Speaker 1: You and I talked about it over and over again.
26:58
Speaker 1: They lied. We lost. And now they're admitting it.
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Speaker 9: That lindy of numbers that you just provided was the
27:05
Speaker 9: single best economic miracle report in the media that I've
27:09
Speaker 9: seen all election season, right? I've been pointing this out
27:12
Speaker 9: as well. And the media intentionally buried this story and
27:15
Speaker 9: the Trump administration. did a very bad job of getting
27:19
Speaker 9: around that, of finding a way to get the truer
27:22
Speaker 9: message out. And now we learn from Van Jones that
27:26
Speaker 9: the Democrats were way ahead of the Republicans in terms
27:29
Speaker 9: of getting a message out. And what bothers me about
27:32
Speaker 9: it is first, well, let's remember Van Jones is the
27:35
Speaker 9: hundred million dollar man. That's how much Jeff Bezos gave
27:40
Speaker 9: Van Jones after Jeff went into space and made some
27:44
Speaker 9: joke about, hey, you know, Amazon, you know, paid for this.
27:47
Speaker 9: and got criticized for it, gave him $ 100 million. I
27:50
Speaker 9: don't know what he ever has done with it since.
27:52
Speaker 9: But now comes this American network, this American accountability network,
27:59
Speaker 9: founded only in 2025, a budget of less than $ 300, 000.
28:02
Speaker 9: They're claiming these hundreds of tens of millions of hits.
28:06
Speaker 9: And yet, it's not from people who feel it. It's
28:10
Speaker 9: not from people who are living it. It's not grassroots.
28:14
Speaker 9: It's astroturf.
28:15
Speaker 4: It's contrived.
28:16
Speaker 9: Is there nothing that's for real anymore? Is there nothing
28:20
Speaker 9: that's truly just out of nowhere and truly uprising? Is
28:23
Speaker 9: it all staged? Because it feels more and more like
28:26
Speaker 9: most of it is staged, was planned.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it does feel planned. And, Dennis, I did
28:34
Speaker 1: debates with my own side. This is why I'm fired
28:36
Speaker 1: up about this, because I went on debate after debate
28:39
Speaker 1: with the people who called themselves America First, these MAGA separatists.
28:43
Speaker 1: And all they did was hammer on the affordability that
28:46
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was insensitive, that he was ignoring people, telling
28:51
Speaker 1: them to let them eat cake. He was being cruel.
28:53
Speaker 1: He was ignoring the pains of people. And I kept saying,
28:56
Speaker 1: what are the pains people are feeling? The only thing
29:00
Speaker 1: they could say is home affordability and gas prices, home
29:02
Speaker 1: affordability and gas prices. People are affording less. And I said, well...
29:06
Speaker 1: THE NUMBERS AREN'T COINCIDING WITH WHAT YOU'RE ARGUING, BUT YET
29:09
Speaker 1: PEOPLE ARE FEELING. AND, DENNIS, LEADING UP TO THIS ELECTION,
29:12
Speaker 1: I KEPT SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES USE
29:15
Speaker 1: THIS PHRASE, THE FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, RIGHT?
29:18
Speaker 1: BUT I KEPT SAYING LEADING UP TO THIS ELECTION, THE
29:20
Speaker 1: FEELINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, OUR VOTERS HAD, DID NOT CARE
29:24
Speaker 1: ABOUT THE FACTS. AND WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THE DEMOCRAT
29:26
Speaker 1: HAD A MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR LYING MACHINE, AND NOT ONLY WERE DEMOCRATS
29:29
Speaker 1: FEEDING IT TO PEOPLE, OUR OWN SIDE WAS FEEDING IT
29:32
Speaker 1: TO PEOPLE, AND AS A RESULT, WE LOST huge. And
29:35
Speaker 1: the pain and suffering from those losses based on those
29:38
Speaker 1: lies are just be
29:58
Speaker 1: Who's behind this? You have to wonder, right, Dennis? Exactly.
30:02
Speaker 9: I've been shocked at the coverage of CNBC, where I
30:04
Speaker 9: was an anchor, and Wall Street Journal, where I was
30:07
Speaker 9: a senior editor long ago. Today, front page of the
30:11
Speaker 9: journal on the Jensen scandal, showing a shot of the
30:16
Speaker 9: Chinese alleged spy siren over his shoulder as he's coming
30:21
Speaker 9: out of a doorway or something. And I just feel like,
30:25
Speaker 9: and CNBC wondering, you know, will he have to be,
30:27
Speaker 9: will he end up in jail? Will he go to,
30:30
Speaker 9: will he be fired by the board? Hey, where were
30:32
Speaker 9: all you guys when Swalwell, the California congressman.
30:37
Speaker 1: Was, you know, bang, bang, bang, bang?
30:40
Speaker 9: And he actually was on a foreign relations committee at
30:42
Speaker 9: the time. Why were you not worried about it then?
30:44
Speaker 9: This had no impact. on the company's sales, on its technology.
30:48
Speaker 9: I'll bet you the only information she got was the
30:51
Speaker 9: stuff that you could get right out of the New
30:52
Speaker 9: York Times and the Wall Street Journal. And there's no
30:55
Speaker 9: evidence of any of it yet. And he notified the
30:58
Speaker 9: board about this months ago. It was known. So why
31:02
Speaker 9: only now, David, is it coming up in the wake
31:05
Speaker 9: of the midterms? And who's doing it? And Elon Musk
31:08
Speaker 9: put a post on X and he said, live by
31:12
Speaker 9: the sword, die by the sword.
31:14
Speaker 1: We're going to get to the bottom of who.
31:16
Speaker 9: Is orchestrating the stuff like this. He might not have
31:18
Speaker 9: been talking about Jensen Wong at the time, but Jensen
31:22
Speaker 9: is his friend. And there's even posts on X where
31:26
Speaker 9: he was almost trying to warn Jensen. He said, look,
31:29
Speaker 9: if you're with a 10 and you better know that
31:32
Speaker 9: she's probably a spy or something like that. He was
31:34
Speaker 9: just making a joke without mentioning any names. But now
31:37
Speaker 9: it looks rather prescient, doesn't it?
31:40
Speaker 1: Look, I can tell you this. that Democrats lied to
31:43
Speaker 1: people about the power of the economy and how well
31:45
Speaker 1: it was doing in order to get elected. Now they're
31:47
Speaker 1: going to destroy the economy so they can blame Trump
31:50
Speaker 1: for it and then install their grand plan to let
31:55
Speaker 1: the government decide how money is spent in this country.
31:57
Speaker 1: And people are just going to sit back frustrated whether
32:00
Speaker 1: they know what's happening or not. This is why I
32:02
Speaker 1: keep having to tell the truth. I believe that we
32:05
Speaker 1: have to tell the truth. And we have to tell
32:06
Speaker 1: people when they're being lied to, whether they think I'm
32:09
Speaker 1: being insensitive or you're being insensitive. Folks, when you're being
32:12
Speaker 1: lied to, we're going to tell you when you're being
32:14
Speaker 1: lied to so you can see the bigger play and
32:16
Speaker 1: bigger truth. Dennis, you just pointed it out. We're going
32:18
Speaker 1: to find out who's behind this messaging campaign, but I'll
32:20
Speaker 1: tell you this. One person, one person, one nation benefits
32:26
Speaker 1: more than any other if we regulate AI, if we
32:29
Speaker 1: stop building data centers, if President Trump loses his house.
32:34
Speaker 1: It's China. It's China. And I wonder when we start
32:38
Speaker 1: doing the digging how many of these accounts go back
32:40
Speaker 1: to China and we find out just how interested they
32:42
Speaker 1: were and just how excited they were to help Democrats
32:45
Speaker 1: along with these disinformation campaigns about this economy. Dennis Neal,
32:49
Speaker 1: love having you on. Thank you for being here, my friend.
32:51
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you again real soon. Call him out, baby.
32:53
Speaker 9: Call him out. Thanks very much.
32:55
Speaker 1: Thank you. Coming up, Texas Democrats just filed their first
33:02
Speaker 1: gun bills. That's right. Red flag orders that take your
33:06
Speaker 1: guns before you even get a hearing. And it's a
33:09
Speaker 1: sign of things to come. They'll probably come for your
33:11
Speaker 1: brisket next, Texas. And later, Dave Chappelle, Charlie Kirk, and
33:16
Speaker 1: the backlash. Should we cancel him? Stay with us.
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34:01
Speaker 1: Democrats just showed us what they do when you give
34:04
Speaker 1: them power, and we've been warning you about it. And
34:07
Speaker 1: of all places, they did it in Texas before they've
34:09
Speaker 1: even taken a single seat. Last Tuesday, Democrats flipped the
34:13
Speaker 1: Texas House for the first time in more than 20 years.
34:18
Speaker 1: Gina Hinojosa ousted Governor Greg Abbott. Monday was the first
34:23
Speaker 1: day lawmakers could file bills for the January session. And
34:27
Speaker 1: in one day, I WANT TO TELL YOU THIS, THE DEMOCRATS,
34:31
Speaker 1: THE TEXAS DEMOCRATS FILED ROUGHLY 35 GUN BILLS. 35. THE
34:37
Speaker 1: VAST MAJORITY OF THEM, RESTRICTIONS. It's a red flag bill.
34:47
Speaker 1: They love these. It repeals the ban Texas passed last year,
34:51
Speaker 1: the one Governor Abbott signed, and lets a judge order
34:54
Speaker 1: a gun owner to hand over every firearm within 24
34:58
Speaker 1: hours if a family member or a police officer swears
35:01
Speaker 1: he's dangerous because of a serious mental illness. No notice
35:05
Speaker 1: to him. No due process. No hearing. Then there's Senate
35:10
Speaker 1: Bill 80 from Senator Judith Zaffirini. It's an assault weapons bill.
35:14
Speaker 1: They love to go after those, even though they don't
35:16
Speaker 1: know what they are. As filed, the ban on buying
35:20
Speaker 1: or owning one applies to people under 21. But read
35:22
Speaker 1: the definition. A semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and
35:29
Speaker 1: just one feature, a pistol grip, a folding stock. Ooh,
35:33
Speaker 1: a flash suppressor counts. That covers a standard AR-15. Write
35:38
Speaker 1: that definition into law now. And changing the age, well,
35:42
Speaker 1: that's an easy part later. And that's not all. Six
35:46
Speaker 1: more bills go after 18, 19, 20-year-olds. House Bill 606
35:51
Speaker 1: makes it a crime for anyone under 21 to buy
35:53
Speaker 1: or even possess a gun, any gun, whether they hunt
35:56
Speaker 1: or sport or whatever. And don't call this a surprise,
35:59
Speaker 1: because back in 2019, Gina Hinojosa and Vicky Goodwin, the
36:04
Speaker 1: incoming lieutenant governor, signed on as co-authors of a red
36:07
Speaker 1: flag bill. Now they're about to run the state, and
36:12
Speaker 1: the bills are already filed. Texas Republicans still hold the
36:17
Speaker 1: Senate 19 seats to 12. State Senator Charles Schwittner said
36:22
Speaker 1: on election night, Texas stands as long as the Texas
36:25
Speaker 1: Senate Republican caucus holds the line. We will, as he says,
36:30
Speaker 1: nothing passes without them. Look at what this is. It's
36:36
Speaker 1: already a preview of what Democrats take seriously. Congress, where
36:40
Speaker 1: are they going to take Congress in January? If this
36:42
Speaker 1: is what they file on day one in Texas, to
36:45
Speaker 1: grab guns in Texas, hey, do you see what they
36:49
Speaker 1: do in Washington? Now is Brendan Herrera, the AK guy,
36:54
Speaker 1: a gun rights YouTuber with more than 4 million subscribers,
36:57
Speaker 1: a firearms manufacturer. And this year's Trump endorsed Republican nominee
37:00
Speaker 1: in Texas's 23rd district. Brandon, welcome back. David Pollak, primetime. Look,
37:04
Speaker 1: they first are coming for the guns. Next, they're coming
37:06
Speaker 1: for the brisket. James Tallarico hates meat. I mean, this
37:09
Speaker 1: is who Texas elected. This is what's in store. I mean,
37:13
Speaker 1: what do you think? They're already coming for the guns.
37:15
Speaker 10: Well, according to the president, I mean, Tallarico's worked very
37:17
Speaker 10: hard to beat meat. But this is something that we've
37:21
Speaker 10: told people that was going to happen the entire time.
37:24
Speaker 10: They were always going to go for the guns, no
37:26
Speaker 10: matter how.
37:26
Speaker 1: Moderate they tried to be. Oh, no, we don't want to.
37:30
Speaker 10: We just want reasonable gun restrictions. And this is what
37:33
Speaker 10: reasonable looks like. A detachable magazine, the Pistol Grip, describes
37:36
Speaker 10: pretty much the average sporting rifle sold in the United
37:40
Speaker 10: States right now. And we tried to warn gun owners
37:42
Speaker 10: about this. We tried to say, if you don't vote Republican,
37:45
Speaker 10: this is what will happen. And unfortunately, gun owners, while
37:48
Speaker 10: being some of the most vocal, in my opinion, some
37:50
Speaker 10: of the most patriotic Americans in the entire country, they
37:53
Speaker 10: have a hard time showing up voting.
37:55
Speaker 1: And I just I can't wrap my head around it.
37:57
Speaker 1: This is our future. You know, I put a lot
38:01
Speaker 1: of thought into this, like, why? You see this legislation, right?
38:04
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't gun owners, veterans, people who believe in the
38:08
Speaker 1: Second Amendment, why wouldn't they organize and get out there?
38:11
Speaker 1: Same thing with the anti-abortion advocates. We have so many
38:15
Speaker 1: passionate groups. THAT THEY KNOW WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO
38:20
Speaker 1: DO WHEN THEY TAKE POWER. YET FOR SOME REASON, ALL
38:24
Speaker 1: THIS EMOTION, ALL THIS ENERGY, ALL THIS INTEREST, IT CAN'T
38:27
Speaker 1: BE ORGANIZED TO TURN OUT A VOTE. I THINK IT REALLY,
38:29
Speaker 1: LIKE YOU JUST POINTED OUT, IT EXPOSES A WEAKNESS BUT
38:32
Speaker 1: ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR 28. WE NEED TO ORGANIZE THESE GROUPS.
38:37
Speaker 1: THESE ARE NOT JUST THREATS. THEY ARE PUTTING ACTION BEHIND
38:41
Speaker 1: THEIR WARNINGS. I SAID THIS BEFORE THE ELECTION. I SAID, FOLKS,
38:44
Speaker 1: THEY ARE SHOWING YOU WHO THEY ARE. BELIEVE THEM. AND
38:47
Speaker 1: THIS LEGISLATION IN TEXAS, OF ALL PLACES, I MEAN, WHEN
38:50
Speaker 1: YOU THINK OF TEXAS, YOU THINK OF STEAK, YOU THINK
38:52
Speaker 1: OF GUNS, YOU THINK OF BRISKET, YOU THINK OF COWBOYS, RANCHERS.
38:55
Speaker 1: EVERYBODY CAN IMAGINE WHAT A TEXAN LOOKS LIKE. AND THE DEMOCRATS,
38:58
Speaker 1: THE SECOND THEY TOOK POWER, SAID I'M GOING TO ERASE
39:00
Speaker 1: ALL THOSE THINGS AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMEONE WITH BLUE HAIR, OBESITY,
39:04
Speaker 1: and a sandwich board with trans rights logos on it.
39:07
Speaker 1: And people are shocked. Brandon, we need to organize these
39:10
Speaker 1: groups exactly like you said, so in 28, we can
39:12
Speaker 1: take us all back.
39:13
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's when it comes to, especially the
39:15
Speaker 10: two groups you talked about, when it comes to gun
39:18
Speaker 10: owners and when it comes to veterans, both people are
39:22
Speaker 10: under the same impression that the government is out to
39:24
Speaker 10: screw them.
39:25
Speaker 1: Because historically, it has been, and it's hard to blame them.
39:28
Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, to have this nihilistic,
39:31
Speaker 10: black-pilled ideology that oh, well, red, blue, it's both the
39:35
Speaker 10: same size of the coin. It's really not, and we're
39:38
Speaker 10: proving that. The Democrats are proving.
39:40
Speaker 1: That right now.
39:41
Speaker 10: They did not pass go. They did not collect $ 200.
39:44
Speaker 10: They went straight for your guns. Meanwhile, the Trump administration
39:48
Speaker 10: has seen record gun legislation pullbacks where you have now
39:52
Speaker 10: the NFA restrictions removed on suppressors, on short-barreled rifles. This
39:57
Speaker 10: stuff is like you're able for the first time to
40:00
Speaker 10: go by in most states an NFA item, like a
40:03
Speaker 10: short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or a suppressor, without any sort
40:07
Speaker 10: of NFA paperwork. That hasn't happened in over 92 years.
40:10
Speaker 1: And the moment Democrats.
40:11
Speaker 10: Take power, they're immediately filing dozens of gun bill or
40:15
Speaker 10: anti-gun bills.
40:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it's just the beginning. And this is
40:19
Speaker 1: just one thing in one place. They're not even done.
40:22
Speaker 1: And honestly, now that they know that President Trump has
40:24
Speaker 1: the veto... THEY'RE GOING TO PASS THE MOST RIDICULOUS LEGISLATION
40:28
Speaker 1: IN THE ENTIRE WORLD BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT HAS NO
40:29
Speaker 1: CHANCES OF PASSING SO THEY GET TO GO TO THEIR
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Speaker 1: BASE AND SAY WE DID WHAT YOU SENT US TO
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Speaker 1: DO BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP BLOCKED ALL OF IT SO THEY
40:35
Speaker 1: WILL SEND THE MOST RIDICULOUS THINGS AND THEN THEIR FRIENDS
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Speaker 1: IN THE FAKE NEWS ARE GOING TO COVER THIS LIKE
40:40
Speaker 1: DEMOCRATS ARE KEEPING THEIR WORD AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE
40:43
Speaker 1: FIGHTING AGAINST BUT YOU MAKE ANOTHER EXCELLENT POINT WHEN YOU
40:46
Speaker 1: TALK ABOUT THE RED PILL, BLUE PILL TYPE PEOPLE LEADING
40:49
Speaker 1: UP TO THIS ELECTION YOU HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING
40:51
Speaker 1: ABOUT THE IRAN WAR COMPLAINING ABOUT GAS PRICES I DON'T CARE.
40:53
Speaker 1: I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE. I
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Speaker 1: DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE.
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Speaker 1: LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK CONTROL. THEY ARE WAY WORSE,
41:11
Speaker 1: AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING. SO HOPEFULLY THESE
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Speaker 1: FOLKS WAKE UP AND SAY, OKAY, MAYBE IRAN AND GAS
41:16
Speaker 1: AND ISRAEL WEREN'T AS BAD AS ME LOSING MY RIGHT
41:19
Speaker 1: TO OWN A FIREARM AND HAVING MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TAKEN
41:22
Speaker 1: FROM ME WITHOUT A HEARING. I was upset about those things.
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Speaker 10: I mean, those are things in the campaign trail I
41:28
Speaker 10: heard from grassroots Republicans on the ground. They're like, look,
41:31
Speaker 10: I don't want to be involved in these foreign wars.
41:32
Speaker 10: I don't want diesel prices to be this high. But
41:34
Speaker 10: the consequences of staying home are so much greater. Because,
41:37
Speaker 10: I mean, the Democrats, what are they going to do
41:39
Speaker 10: about high gas prices and diesel? They're going to say
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Speaker 10: no to drilling. They're going to say no to pipelines.
41:43
Speaker 10: They're going to say no to refineries. They're going to
41:45
Speaker 10: invest billions of taxpayer subsidies in green energy, things that
41:49
Speaker 10: are horrifically inefficient. Like, that voting Democrat isn't the answer
41:52
Speaker 10: and staying home isn't the answer. And I think, unfortunately,
41:54
Speaker 10: in the next two years, we're going to learn that
41:56
Speaker 10: lesson the hard way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the answer, honestly, is to engage in the
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Speaker 1: primary process. And this is what I was saying from
42:01
Speaker 1: day one. Get in the primary process. Pick your fighter.
42:05
Speaker 1: Find the right guy, not who the party backs. Find
42:07
Speaker 1: who best represents your community. Do the work. But a
42:10
Speaker 1: lot of these folks don't even show up in the
42:11
Speaker 1: primary process or even pick a primary. They wait till
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Speaker 1: the general and then complain about everything or stay home
42:15
Speaker 1: and vote for the other guy. Get involved. This is
42:17
Speaker 1: a lesson to anybody upset about Israel, anybody upset about guns,
42:21
Speaker 1: anybody upset about war, gas, or whatever you're mad about.
42:25
Speaker 1: get involved in the primary process, pick your fighter, and
42:28
Speaker 1: then fight back against the Democrats because after the primaries
42:31
Speaker 1: are over, I don't care who ends up winning, whether
42:33
Speaker 1: you're mad about it or not, as a party, as
42:35
Speaker 1: a nation, as patriots, we need to come together and
42:39
Speaker 1: support people who love America, not those who want to
42:41
Speaker 1: destroy it. Brandon, you were one of those fighters. I
42:44
Speaker 1: was pulling for you. I'm pulling for you again, whatever
42:45
Speaker 1: you decide to do. I appreciate you being here. I'm
42:47
Speaker 1: still a big fan, and I hope to see you
42:49
Speaker 1: on this show again real soon again. I appreciate it, brother.
42:52
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. Thank you. Coming up, Charlie Kirk
42:55
Speaker 1: was taken from us 14 months ago. This weekend, Dave
43:00
Speaker 1: Chappelle thought it was funny and joked about it in
43:02
Speaker 1: front of a sold-out crowd at Madison Square Garden. Elon Musk,
43:06
Speaker 1: Erica Kirk, they've spoken out. Question now is, should he
43:09
Speaker 1: be canceled? We'll talk about that right after this.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was taken from us about 14 long months
43:56
Speaker 1: ago this weekend in front of a sold-out Madison Square
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Speaker 1: Garden show. Dave Chappelle, well, thought he should make Charlie's
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Speaker 1: murder a punchline. Weird thing, no phones were allowed, but
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Speaker 1: yet somebody filmed it anyway. More on that later.
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Speaker 9: I feel f * * * ed up saying this.
44:18
Speaker 9: It's scary being a public speaker.
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Speaker 6: And I mean, look, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk,
44:26
Speaker 6: got murdered, and I shouldn't.
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Speaker 9: Say this publicly, but I feel better. I know I
44:40
Speaker 9: shouldn't say that, but.
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Speaker 1: It's just a feeling. I just need a minute to
44:45
Speaker 1: process this one, as you do. The people who went, whoo! Separately,
44:53
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, nobody's supposed to have phones in there,
44:55
Speaker 1: yet somebody with a really good view of Chappelle was
44:58
Speaker 1: able to record this, and there's a reason for that,
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Speaker 1: and I'll explain that in a minute. In another clip,
45:06
Speaker 1: he says, I'm sure Kirk is looking up at us
45:09
Speaker 1: right now, laughing so hard he can't breathe. Now, pay
45:13
Speaker 1: attention to that, because why would he use that language,
45:17
Speaker 1: he can't breathe? Because that line... is a callback. In May,
45:22
Speaker 1: on Netflix's Roast of Kevin Hart, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe said
45:27
Speaker 1: George Floyd was looking up at all of us, laughing
45:30
Speaker 1: so hard he can't breathe, a twist on Floyd's dying words.
45:34
Speaker 1: Floyd's family condemned it, and the foundation in his name
45:37
Speaker 1: complained about the white comedian making George Floyd jokes. There
45:43
Speaker 1: was a backlash, but a month later, Netflix released Hinchcliffe's
45:47
Speaker 1: own stand-up special anyway. Now, it's obvious from that line
45:51
Speaker 1: that this statement, this joke, it was a clear attempt
45:56
Speaker 1: to draw out criticism so he can make that point.
46:00
Speaker 1: Why are you criticizing me? And the other white comedian
46:03
Speaker 1: got a pass. That's what he was trying to do.
46:06
Speaker 1: And he got the reaction he wanted. Elon Musk wrote, shame, shame,
46:10
Speaker 1: shame on Chappelle. Piers Morgan called it disgusting and pointed
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Speaker 1: out that Chappelle himself survived an attack on stage in 2022.
46:18
Speaker 1: And Erica Kirk, without naming him, wrote that a culture
46:21
Speaker 1: that laughs at assassination is one of profound moral decay. Now,
46:26
Speaker 1: here's the part that's probably most frustrating. In May of 2022,
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Speaker 1: a man attacked Chappelle on stage, saying he was triggered
46:33
Speaker 1: by Chappelle's jokes about transgender people and the homeless. Charlie Kirk...
46:38
Speaker 1: went after the Los Angeles prosecutor for not filing felony
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Speaker 1: charges against Chappelle's attacker. Charlie wrote that it sent a
46:46
Speaker 1: clear message that public acts of political violence are justifiable.
46:50
Speaker 1: Charlie stood up for Chappelle, and Chappelle made a joke
46:57
Speaker 1: out of Charlie's murder. The question's simple. Should we cancel him?
47:03
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody's like, yes, cancel him immediately. even if
47:07
Speaker 1: that's what he wants. But I'm not so sure we
47:10
Speaker 1: should give him what he wants. Joining me now for reaction,
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Speaker 1: Justine Brooke Murray, conservative commentator, founder of Murray Media, former
47:16
Speaker 1: host at the Media Research Center. Justine, welcome back to
47:19
Speaker 1: David Pollak Prime Time. This, I mean, Dave Chappelle has
47:23
Speaker 1: always been kind of a bomb thrower. He's always said
47:25
Speaker 1: kind of off, you know, kind of disgusting things. That's
47:28
Speaker 1: kind of his brand. I believe this was an attempt
47:31
Speaker 1: to draw attention to a larger cultural issue, but he
47:34
Speaker 1: did it at the expense of Charlie. What's your take
47:37
Speaker 1: on this?
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Speaker 11: It seems more like he made a business decision to
47:41
Speaker 11: try to don the red beret because he realized that
47:45
Speaker 11: as per the reaction of his audience celebrating it, he
47:49
Speaker 11: realized that it is immensely popular to explicitly call for
47:53
Speaker 11: the murder of your political opponent as long as you're
47:56
Speaker 11: right of socialists. Unfortunately, That's sadly what gets us gets
48:01
Speaker 11: you one elections these days. If you're on the left,
48:04
Speaker 11: he thinks that he'll be spared the guillotine, even though
48:07
Speaker 11: the left had previously tried to cancel him and tried
48:10
Speaker 11: to assault him on stage, as you mentioned, because he
48:12
Speaker 11: made some previous jokes about the gender benders. So he
48:15
Speaker 11: thinks that I guess if he capitulates to the left
48:18
Speaker 11: and he makes this really lazy joke, which was a
48:21
Speaker 11: copy and paste as as what was said on Kill Tony.
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Speaker 11: a couple of months ago, I guess he thinks he'll
48:28
Speaker 11: be spared. But of course, at the end of the day,
48:30
Speaker 11: he won't be spared. And by the way, this is
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Speaker 11: the same guy who went to Saudi Arabia and complained
48:36
Speaker 11: that America was hard on free speech in front of
48:40
Speaker 11: an audience where he actually promised as part of this
48:43
Speaker 11: deal with the Saudi Arabian loyals, excuse me, royals, that
48:47
Speaker 11: he would be loyal to the regime and dare not
48:50
Speaker 11: to criticize any Saudi Arabia government officials in order to
48:55
Speaker 11: be able to perform his little shtick there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, his little shtick. It's great. And the thing is,
49:04
Speaker 1: and it really highlights sort of the difference between the
49:08
Speaker 1: right and the left, right? Because he made the jokes
49:10
Speaker 1: about his, you described, gender benders, and he was attacked
49:15
Speaker 1: for it, physically attacked for it. He was canceled for it, too,
49:17
Speaker 1: by the way. He even had to do, like, a separate...
49:20
Speaker 1: SORT OF SPEECH ABOUT HOW CANCELED HE WAS FOR TELLING
49:22
Speaker 1: THIS STORY ABOUT A FRIEND OF HIS THAT HAPPENED TO
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Speaker 1: BE TRANSGENDERED. AND THEN HE WAS PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED. NOW, NO
49:29
Speaker 1: CONSERVATIVE IS GOING TO PHYSICALLY ASSAULT HIM FOR SAYING WHAT
49:31
Speaker 1: HE SAID EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DISGUSTING, AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTING THE
49:34
Speaker 1: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR SIDE AND THEIRS. The fact that somebody
49:40
Speaker 1: had a cell phone video of that, the fact that
49:42
Speaker 1: I think he got exactly the reaction he wanted, he
49:44
Speaker 1: wanted to make sort of a point here, which is
49:47
Speaker 1: why when everybody's saying he should be canceled, I think
49:50
Speaker 1: really what he should be is ignored because I don't
49:52
Speaker 1: think we should reward him. I don't even think we
49:54
Speaker 1: should give him the, because it's not even a credible
49:57
Speaker 1: point he made. And one more point on this, and
49:59
Speaker 1: I'll toss it back over to you. George Floyd, as
50:03
Speaker 1: tragic as all deaths might be, there was a trial.
50:06
Speaker 1: Somebody went to jail for it, even though there's a
50:08
Speaker 1: lot of push to have him pardoned of those charges.
50:14
Speaker 1: SOMEBODY DIED AND SOMEBODY WENT TO JAIL AND THIS WAS
50:17
Speaker 1: YEARS AGO. CHARLIE KIRK WAS ASSASSINATED 14 MONTHS AGO AND
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Speaker 1: THERE HASN'T EVEN BEEN A TRIAL YET. THERE'S NOT EVEN
50:23
Speaker 1: A COMPARISON THAT YOU CAN MAKE BETWEEN THE TWO. A
50:26
Speaker 1: FATHER BEING ASSASSINATED ON TV IN COLD BLOOD FOR SPEAKING
50:31
Speaker 1: AND A DRUG ADDICT WHO HAD A KNEE ON HIS
50:33
Speaker 1: NECK AND WHO UNFORTUNATELY DIED.
50:39
Speaker 11: He also pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach,
50:42
Speaker 11: George Floyd. But the entire point about comedy is that
50:46
Speaker 11: you're supposed to be an equal opportunity hater. There is
50:49
Speaker 11: really supposed to be no limits to comedy. And Dave Chappelle,
50:52
Speaker 11: whatever point he thought he was trying to make about, oh, well,
50:55
Speaker 11: they could say this about George Floyd, but let me
50:57
Speaker 11: try to say the same thing about Charlie Kirk, it
50:59
Speaker 11: falls flat because on Kill Tony, they made the same
51:03
Speaker 11: amount of Charlie Kirk jokes. And in that field, it
51:06
Speaker 11: was understood everyone's getting a punch. And as horrible as
51:11
Speaker 11: the jokes, as offensive as they were, at least they
51:14
Speaker 11: tried to wrap them in some semblance of humor, the
51:17
Speaker 11: I can't breathe, play on words. But what Chappelle did,
51:21
Speaker 11: he was too lazy to even try to mask his
51:26
Speaker 11: utter contempt for human life in a joke. He just
51:30
Speaker 11: went out there and said, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead.
51:33
Speaker 11: He didn't even try to come up with some fake punchline,
51:38
Speaker 11: at least. And the thing about the left in comedy
51:41
Speaker 11: is that comedy has always been number one on the
51:43
Speaker 11: chopping block. In 2020, they came out with these headlines
51:46
Speaker 11: how we need to essentially cancel all forms of humor
51:51
Speaker 11: because comedy is essentially racist. In fact, the left feeds,
51:55
Speaker 11: their entire fragile ideology feeds off the cancellation of comedy
51:59
Speaker 11: because with comedy comes criticism, criticism and some kernels of truth.
52:05
Speaker 11: So they fired Roseanne Barr, canceled her show for a
52:08
Speaker 11: dirty word. They wanted to essentially ruin Shane Gillis' career
52:13
Speaker 11: for making fun of gym hoes. But then they'll turn
52:16
Speaker 11: around and tell you they want you dead for offending them.
52:19
Speaker 11: And then when you don't giggle at that, they'll mock
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Speaker 11: you for being offended because they told you they want
52:24
Speaker 11: you dead for offending them.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You're calling it out exactly how it is.
52:29
Speaker 1: It's a terrible joke, disgusting joke. This is about all
52:33
Speaker 1: I ever want to talk about Chappelle again, and that's
52:35
Speaker 1: where it should rest. Justine Brooke Murray, great takes as always.
52:39
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure having you on the show. Look forward
52:40
Speaker 1: to having you on again real soon.
52:42
Speaker 9: Anytime.
52:42
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Well, that is our show for tonight.
52:48
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52:49
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52:53
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52:55
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