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The Legendary Venues of Jerry Garcia & The Grateful Dead [Episode 337] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: For pizza parlors to express trains to the foot of
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  Speaker 1: the Great Pyramid. I look back at the famous, the obscure,
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  Speaker 1: and the on spiring venues where Jerry Garcia and The
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  Speaker 1: Grateful Dead performed. Next, I'm booked on Rock Totally.
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  Speaker 2: Rock and roll. I meant to leave you. You're reading.
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  Speaker 2: Little Hands says it's time.
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  Speaker 1: To rock and roll, roll out, I totally booked. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to Booked on Rock, the podcast for those about
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  Speaker 1: to read and rock. We have a first time guest
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast, Harry Angus. He is the author of
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  Speaker 1: the Encyclopedia of Jerry Garcia music venues. Harry, Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, Thanks for having me. Eric.
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  Speaker 1: This is but you got you got them right there.
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  Speaker 1: See you are those both volumes there.
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  Speaker 2: Right bought right Let people see what they look like.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, beautiful nine by twelve right.
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  Speaker 2: Hey by twelve three inches each Together they weigh about
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  Speaker 2: your twenty two pounds.
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  Speaker 1: Unreal nine x twelve golden boss hardcover, gold gilded pages,
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  Speaker 1: and inside is the complete musical legacy of Jerry Garcia
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  Speaker 1: and the history of each venue where he performed, and
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  Speaker 1: not just with the Grateful Dead. Tell us how long
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  Speaker 1: it took to put this book together, and then the
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  Speaker 1: efforts that you went to in compiling all of this information.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, it's just been a real trip. Because I
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  Speaker 2: actually I'm a self publisher. I don't have anybody financing
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  Speaker 2: my what I've done. But over sixteen years, let's see,
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  Speaker 2: I started with a blog. It was called Jerry's Broken
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  Speaker 2: Down Palaces, which is still active, and that grew to
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  Speaker 2: about four hundred venues. It was kind of loosely thrown
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  Speaker 2: together and I was just having a lot of fun
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  Speaker 2: with it. And then then the next thing I knew
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  Speaker 2: it had over two million hits. So I thought, maybe
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  Speaker 2: I create a book and encyclopedia with all the venue
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  Speaker 2: used that Jerry performed in, recorded in, rehearsed, all the
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  Speaker 2: rehearsal halls, and all the dates that are not readily available,
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  Speaker 2: but they are if I as I did. I dug
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  Speaker 2: pretty deep to find it all all kinds of all
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  Speaker 2: his living spaces. I think they totaled somewhere around thirty
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  Speaker 2: five different living spaces. Some scuba excursions are in here.
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  Speaker 1: I love to go scuba diving.
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  Speaker 2: That was this thing, you know, Other than just of
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  Speaker 2: course all the music and a lot that hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: seen in print that I know of. And I've been
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  Speaker 2: digging in dead related books for the whole time i've
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  Speaker 2: been doing this, and I've never seen some of the
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  Speaker 2: things I've discovered.
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  Speaker 1: Did you go to a lot of the locations? Did
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  Speaker 1: you travel around? Because some of the photos and there
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  Speaker 1: have your photo credit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the greatest adventure, and that respect was
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  Speaker 2: we took a red eye from I lived in California
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  Speaker 2: at the time. We took a red eye and we
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  Speaker 2: went to the New York State Hall of Records, which
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  Speaker 2: was in downtown Manhattan, and we got there real early
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  Speaker 2: in the morning so we could get first in line.
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  Speaker 2: And that was a really old old building with all
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  Speaker 2: these records and photographs and you know, everything's all dusty
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  Speaker 2: and the floor's not you know, shiny, you know, really
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  Speaker 2: ancient place. So we got in there and we ended
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  Speaker 2: up getting about eighteen photos of venues where Jerry performed
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  Speaker 2: in New York or places where he frequented. One of
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  Speaker 2: those would be the Blues Brothers Bar, which was actually
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  Speaker 2: called the Holland Tunnel Bar, and that was like an
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  Speaker 2: after hours bar that the Blues Brothers own and they'd
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  Speaker 2: go there after Saturday Night Live or after Dead shows
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  Speaker 2: at the Garden.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that was the famous place. Yeah, where all the
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  Speaker 1: casts would go. Yeah, with some of the famous people, famous.
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  Speaker 2: Friends, Jerry, Jim. There a couple of times I found
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  Speaker 2: a couple of musicians. I'm not looking at that right now,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, one was a I believe a horn trumpet player.
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  Speaker 2: I can't recall at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: But how far back do you go as a fan
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  Speaker 1: of the Dead And Jerry, what was your first show?
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  Speaker 1: How many shows have you gone to?
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  Speaker 2: My first? Jerry, My first Dead show was Roosevelt Stadium seven,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen seventy two, and pig Pen was already too sick
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  Speaker 2: to be there. And then let's see for Jerry, that
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  Speaker 2: was a Merle Saunders and Friends at the bottom line,
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  Speaker 2: July second, seventy two.
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  Speaker 1: How many shows total do you think you've gone to?
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  Speaker 2: I never really counted them up, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: But I've moved around a lot. I grew up in
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  Speaker 2: Ocean County, New Jersey, and then I moved to California
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  Speaker 2: in the Bay Area, and I saw a lot of
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  Speaker 2: shows at winter Land and the Keystones and the Stone
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco. We travel the Red Rocks, San Diego, LA.
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  Speaker 1: There are spots here, like you say, places where Jerry lived,
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  Speaker 1: also locations like the junior high that Jerry went to.
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  Speaker 1: There's an entry on the James Denman Junior High School
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  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Jerry attended school there from September nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty eight to February nineteen fifty nine. Can you share
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  Speaker 1: with us what Jerry had to say about those days?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually quoted him in the book and where
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  Speaker 2: I got the quote. There's an end note attached to that,
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  Speaker 2: which means it's the same as a footnote, but in
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  Speaker 2: the book this size. Rather than having somebody flip to
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  Speaker 2: the end of the book to find out who Who's
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  Speaker 2: number one footnote, you put it at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the venue. So each venue has its own set of footnotes,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak. What they're called endnotes in this respect. Anyway, Jerry,
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  Speaker 2: we moved back to the city when I was about
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  Speaker 2: thirteen or so, and I started going to Denham, a
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  Speaker 2: good old San Francisco Rowty Roughneck School. I became a
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  Speaker 2: hoodlum survival thing. You had to be a hoodlum, otherwise
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  Speaker 2: you walk down the street and somebody beat you up.
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  Speaker 2: I had my friends and we were hoodlums, and we
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  Speaker 2: went out on the weekends and we did a lot
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  Speaker 2: of drinking and all that. And meanwhile I was still
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  Speaker 2: reading and buying books and going to San Francisco Art
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  Speaker 2: Institute on the weekends, just short of leading this whole
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  Speaker 2: secret life. Jerry said, that's awesome, and he was inducted
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  Speaker 2: into the school's Denham Schools Hall of Fame in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety And since two thousand and five there's a Jerry
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  Speaker 2: Garcia Guitar Club at the school.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool, hoodlum by day by night, gearing up for
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  Speaker 1: his future life. Yeah, there's a location in Menlo Park,
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  Speaker 1: California called the Magoo's Pizza Parlor. Tell us about this
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  Speaker 1: and it's place in Jerry history. The Warlocks played their
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  Speaker 1: very first gig there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not quite but the history that's what the history
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  Speaker 2: books would say, But not quite because this is the
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  Speaker 2: new history book. So to describe the atmosphere inside Magoos,
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  Speaker 2: it was a pizza parlor, strictly pizza parlor, right overhead lights,
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  Speaker 2: with long tables with ovens in the back, just like
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  Speaker 2: most pizza places. And they had a fantastic juke box,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm quoting someone I remember hearing Hendrix and the
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  Speaker 2: Rolling Stones for the first time. We're at a very
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  Speaker 2: young age. There there was also an upstairs area with
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  Speaker 2: pool tables and quite often Hell's Angels, which I didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize that they were in the picture in sixty five,
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  Speaker 2: you know, right. That came a little bit later, but
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  Speaker 2: I guess not. And then the band was set up
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  Speaker 2: by the front plate glass window, confined to a rather
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  Speaker 2: narrow area without a stage. Jerry Garcia was on the
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  Speaker 2: audience's left, pig Pen on the far right. Those two
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  Speaker 2: especially looked somewhat menacing, at least to a suburban fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year old. They reminded me of outlaw bikers. Bob Weir,
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  Speaker 2: Dana Morgan, and Bill Kritzman were clean shaven and looked
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  Speaker 2: more like guys you might see in a high school band.
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  Speaker 2: The music was stunning. I have never forgotten it, although
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  Speaker 2: I cannot recall the specific set list. I think they
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  Speaker 2: did some Stones covers, and I know that pig Pen
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  Speaker 2: sang Little Red Rooster and few people know. But this
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  Speaker 2: was not the first Warlocks gig. That was on April
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  Speaker 2: Fool's Day of All Days nineteen sixty five in the
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  Speaker 2: student dining commons at Menlo College. I'm sure Jim Newton
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  Speaker 2: won't mind what I quoted some of that out of
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  Speaker 2: the thing about the April Fools Day sixty five that
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  Speaker 2: comes out of this book right here. Partner located this
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  Speaker 2: at the local library and I've been going through it.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great book, right, Jim Newton here beside the
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  Speaker 1: Rising Tide, Jerry Garcia, The Grateful Dead and an American Awakening.
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  Speaker 1: Great book. Yeah, what are some of the favorite spots
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  Speaker 1: in the book for you? Like ones that few if
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  Speaker 1: any fans know about. Maybe the most obscure gig or
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  Speaker 1: one you didn't realize yourself existed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's a few Warlock dates I discovered in old newspapers.
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  Speaker 2: Here's an oddity, and I have yet to have anyone
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  Speaker 2: disagree with me on it. On January eighth of sixty six,
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  Speaker 2: the Dead played the fillmore as the Grateful Dead. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but on January seventh, the night before, and on April
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  Speaker 2: sixteenth of sixty six, they played as the Warlocks at
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  Speaker 2: the Whatsit Club in Santa Clara. Wow, they were like
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  Speaker 2: kind of moonlighting as the Warlocks. I guess probably for
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  Speaker 2: financial reasons, after they had already become the Grateful Dead.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then their next gig after the Whatsit Club
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  Speaker 2: on four sixteen in sixty six was long Shoreman's Hall
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  Speaker 2: the Trips Festival on January twenty first as the Grateful Dead.
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  Speaker 2: So I kind of discovered a couple of things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So you learned just yourself, you learned some new stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I did process never heard of anyone ever came up
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  Speaker 2: with the Whatsit Club before.
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  Speaker 1: Right, there's a beautiful photo of the Orpheum Theater in
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco, beautiful architecture at seats just over two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry played some shows there in nineteen eighty nine, and
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  Speaker 1: quotes in the book from those who were there they
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  Speaker 1: talk about how great those shows were, and I always
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  Speaker 1: thought Jerry have loved those gigs, especially at that point.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice getaway for him, low key intimate. Can you
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  Speaker 1: share some of the comments from those who were at
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  Speaker 1: those shows.
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  Speaker 2: I've got one, and I'm you know, I have the
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  Speaker 2: EndNote numbers, but I don't want to give people's names out,
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  Speaker 2: yeah or you know whoever I'm quoting here, But at
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  Speaker 2: any rate in the book. It's all in there. I'm
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  Speaker 2: truly impressed. On this particular night, Jerry's jamming was profound.
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  Speaker 2: Each song from the second set is exceptional and shows
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  Speaker 2: that Jerry's abilities were not in question. For many years,
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  Speaker 2: I was of the opinion that Jerry just couldn't cook
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  Speaker 2: in the late eighties through the nineties. On this particular
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  Speaker 2: night January twenty eighth, nineteen eighty nine, Jerry provided all
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  Speaker 2: the evidence I need to throw that opinion straight out
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  Speaker 2: the window. On one, twenty eight, eighty nine, Jerry delivered
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  Speaker 2: one of his finest performances ever. I can't wait to
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  Speaker 2: hear the first set whenever it is released. Bravo to
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  Speaker 2: Jerry for this truly special performance. The March third, eighty
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  Speaker 2: nine show was the one with Clarence Clemens for the
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  Speaker 2: entire show.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool. As a big Twilight Zone fan, There's an
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  Speaker 1: entry that stood out regarding a twilight Zone session on
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  Speaker 1: February fourteen, or No. February fifteenth of nineteen eighty five.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about this. This is at the Skywalker Ranch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Skywalker Ranch, George Lucases where he did a lot
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  Speaker 2: of filming and he had a Technical Building. At that point,
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  Speaker 2: that's what it was called. And I've got a couple
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  Speaker 2: of quotes from that, and this one says, yes, this
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  Speaker 2: place is amazing. In nineteen eighty five, crews began pouring
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  Speaker 2: concrete for the one hundred and fifty five thousand square
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  Speaker 2: foot technical building at George Lucas's Skywalker Ranch. The sprawling,
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  Speaker 2: twenty five acre working ranch was located far up a
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  Speaker 2: winding road deep in the hills of Marin County. It
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  Speaker 2: contains everything from guest houses in an overnight inn, to
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  Speaker 2: an organic garden, a vineyard, a baseball diamond, a fitness center,
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  Speaker 2: a firehouse, and its own general store. Over three hundred
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  Speaker 2: and sixty thousand used bricks, sand blasted to look old.
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  Speaker 2: We're used on the exterior, plus fifteen hundred tons of stone.
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  Speaker 2: Where I worked for a large me I'm talking about
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  Speaker 2: me now, worked for a large hotel company in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Had I worked in food and beverage in a banquet's
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  Speaker 2: apartment and we had a George Lucas Christmas Skywalker Ranch
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  Speaker 2: party at the hotel. He brought all the employees to
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  Speaker 2: the hotel and we had to go out to the
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  Speaker 2: ranch to pre plan this and he had a lunch
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  Speaker 2: set up for us and no expense spared. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we've movie stars. They came and picked us up in
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  Speaker 2: a limo and drove us up there with Champagne and
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  Speaker 2: the limo. So we were loose by the time we
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  Speaker 2: got up there. But Garcia and the other band members
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  Speaker 2: they recorded music and sound effects for a new version,
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  Speaker 2: so it must have been the eighties. The late fifties
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  Speaker 2: early sixties television series The Twilight Zone. The new series
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  Speaker 2: producer Phil de Gear was instrumental in making of the
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  Speaker 2: seventy two Grateful Dead concert film Sunshine Day Dream. De
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  Speaker 2: Gear hired Merle Saunders, and with the Gear's approval, Merrell
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  Speaker 2: brought in The Dead. Mickey Hart was hired as a
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  Speaker 2: primary sound designer on the series, and he noted at
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  Speaker 2: the time, we're using anything that fits the sound of rain, light,
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  Speaker 2: bulbs breaking backwards at half speed, branches falling, car crashes,
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  Speaker 2: wood breaking. It's kind of a twenty first century orchestra.
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  Speaker 2: Heart worked on the series for most of the year,
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  Speaker 2: whereas Garcia and the other band members involvement was much
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  Speaker 2: more limited. Garcia also helped work up a collection of
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  Speaker 2: music inserts called stings and bumpers, you know, little hunks
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  Speaker 2: of nonspecific music, of various lens that have different moods.
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  Speaker 2: He explains, one might be a mood don't open that door,
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  Speaker 2: or don't go in the attic, or I'm going to work, honey,
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  Speaker 2: Are you sure you'll be okay at home alone? They
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  Speaker 2: go all the way from a sort of non committal
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  Speaker 2: He makes a light, playful guitar noise to were real
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  Speaker 2: ominous raw. They gave us a huge menu of those,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's the music editor who actually fits them
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  Speaker 2: into the show.
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  Speaker 1: Harry Angus, the author of the Encyclopedia of Jerry Garcia
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  Speaker 1: Music venues. There's one photo in the book of the
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  Speaker 1: Red Rocks Amphitheater in Colorado, taken by somebody in attendance,
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  Speaker 1: and in the caption you write, note the guy in
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  Speaker 1: the Rocks. Where did you find this photo?
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  Speaker 2: I actually came up with it from a guy named
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  Speaker 2: His name is Michael Young, and the photo is actually
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  Speaker 2: from August twelfth of seventy nine. I was actually at
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  Speaker 2: that show. I don't remember that. I don't remember that
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  Speaker 2: guy up there. When I originally found this photo, I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was from June thirteenth, eighty four, when someone
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  Speaker 2: fell off the rocks and died. But no, because the
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  Speaker 2: dead didn't play there in eighty four, I don't think,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe they did. I'm sorry a little mixed up
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  Speaker 2: on that. Anyway. I've included it as a memorial as
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  Speaker 2: many people as I could who had like a mishap
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  Speaker 2: or a fall, or they jumped off a balcony and
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  Speaker 2: it made the news. Any kind of word mishap like that,
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  Speaker 2: doing before, during, and after a show. Adam Katz, I
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  Speaker 2: have him in detail of his whole story. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you've heard of them. Yeah, so, yeah, there's a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of those kinds of stories.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this guy is way way way up I mean
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  Speaker 1: he is. If you were at that show, I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's not surprising you didn't see him because he's so
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  Speaker 1: far out of sight. You have to be way far back,
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  Speaker 1: I guess to even see the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody did fall. Somebody did fall, but I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it was from where the stage side is. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was up on the wall.
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  Speaker 1: He is way up there, and somebody manages to get
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  Speaker 1: a shot, and you can see the shot in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Being from Connecticut in Connecticut as well. I want to
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  Speaker 1: ask about the entry on the Bush and All Auditorium
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  Speaker 1: in Hartford. It's still there. I used to work right
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  Speaker 1: down the street from it. Yeah. Yeah, Jerry Garcia band
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  Speaker 1: played there. How many gigs did he play there? And comments?
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  Speaker 1: I guess on those shows that are in the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not looking right at that, but that's one of
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  Speaker 2: those historic venues that's like attracted my attention. It's gotten
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  Speaker 2: a rich Art Deco interior, beautiful photo of the exterior
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  Speaker 2: that I have in the book, and it also has
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  Speaker 2: the largest hand painted ceiling mural of its type in
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  Speaker 2: the US. It's painted by Barry Faulkner acause in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine. They spent fifty grand for that painting. So
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  Speaker 2: and Joe, Oh, I'm here it is. I'm sorry, I
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  Speaker 2: have it right in front of me. Jerry performed there
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  Speaker 2: seven times.
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  Speaker 1: Seven times. Yeah. By the way, that's part of the
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  Speaker 1: book is the details that you offer on the construction
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  Speaker 1: and the design and the art and all that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: which is really cool. So again, a lot of research
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  Speaker 1: went into these as far as the origins of the
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  Speaker 1: building and when it went up. But yeah, Jerry played
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  Speaker 1: seven shows there. Again, I'm sure a gig like that
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  Speaker 1: he must have loved, because, especially as the Dead got
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  Speaker 1: bigger and bigger, they're playing huge venues. Not that he
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  Speaker 1: didn't enjoy those, but I think he must have just
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  Speaker 1: just liked having those shows, just having some fun with it.
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  Speaker 1: Spring of seventy seven legendary period and Dead History as
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  Speaker 1: we know, what are some of the out shows for you?
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  Speaker 1: And talk about the venues they played, including Cornell, which
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  Speaker 1: is a legendary show. How many shows did you go
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  Speaker 1: in May of seventy seven yourself?
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  Speaker 2: If I don't think I went to any in May
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  Speaker 2: unless they were at Winterland or in seventy seven that's
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  Speaker 2: where they were playing. So for the most part in
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  Speaker 2: seventy seven, that's where I saw that in Winterland, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think they played new Haven, Connecticut in May of
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven. I think so, Yeah, because that's the bootleg
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  Speaker 1: that I get. My older brother gave me that bootleg.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: That's really when I became a huge fan.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I remember it well. I wasn't there, but I remember
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: listening to the sound is just incredible.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Incredible, really warm sound to it. Yeah, the base, everything
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: is crystal clear on that show and this book gives
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you an idea of how massive the Dead audiences became.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: A photo from nineteen ninety three at the Sam Boyd
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Silver Bowl aka Sam Boyd Stadium, capacity forty thousand, a
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: massive stage. And there's another gig in Vermont at Frankly
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: County Airport that had sixty thousand. What was the biggest
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: audience the band played to, do you know?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I think it would be the one that I went to.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: That would be Watkins Glen for sure. That was six
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand people there. Unforgettable, although I don't remember anything,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: but it was unforgettable, I'm sure. Six friends and I
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: rented a U Haul van. I lived in Bricktown, New
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Jersey at the time, and I was in high school.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: We rented a U haul van with no AC and
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: no windows and drove it from the Jersey Sure, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: we abandoned the van and started walking in the dark
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: about eight miles to the site. And when we got
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: to near the site, you could hear the Dead were
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: on stage doing that now famous sound check that they
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: did in the middle of the night.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: That is awesome.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: The biggest memory of it really because in the daytime
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: it was just mass confusion. Yeah, just so many people,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: so many people.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Wl I R Studios in Long Island, New York makes
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the book. What's the significance of that location?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a gentleman. I guess he was probably a
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: DJ programmer, Ray White. I'm not familiar with his name,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: but he interviewed Jerry On. I think it was probably
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the same night that Dead performed at Nassau Coliseum.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: A photo included for the entry on the Woodstock Free
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Stage aka hog Farm Camp.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was known as the free stage area. It
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: was originally envisioned as a place for those who came
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: without tickets who could still enjoy a show. When it
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: became a free festival, the free stage became a rallying
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: point for local bands and a forum for those who
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: felt the need to express political views. The free stage,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: across the forest and down the hog Farm Camp had
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: its own music and audience. Some of these groups and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: some of the crew never even saw the main stage.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: The trail through the woods was called Groovy Way, a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: quarter mile half hung with Christmas lights. Hog Farm Camp
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: had nine days to set up the free stage. They
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: also ran the lighting for the stage, medical tents, free
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: food kitchen serving boosts, and information centers and to set
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: up the trip tents for those who having to partaken
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of mind expanding drugs and need to escape the noise
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: lights people in rain the dead plate next to further
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: further the bus which is also in the book, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: three other buses up on the hill near where the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: hog farm fed huge amounts of warm oatmeal. One morning
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: near the police station, there was a tepee where people
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: were talked down if overtripping. The dead set up in
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a corner of buses with a few dancing all around.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: There were about fifty people. I think I remember them
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: doing this twice. That's Those are a couple different people's quotes,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: four different people.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: People who were there. Yeah, that was not a gig
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that the Grateful Dead were really proud of.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Beautiful shot of the Tower Theater in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Some really interesting shows took place there. One on April
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: eleventh of seventy five, and the band known as Legion
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of Mary. For those who may not know who is
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Legion of Mary and can you share this story in
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the book from the fan who snuck out to see
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: this show and his parents showed up. We'll start with
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Legion of Mary. That was a side gig, Was that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: one of Jerry's side it was?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was with Ron Tutt, Elvis's drummer.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. While Elvis was still using him thet He would
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: bounce back and forth at points of their time together.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: It was really short period of time. But as for
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the name, John says, it was my idea, but it
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: backfired on us. This is him talking Blair Jackson about it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: We played our first gig under that name at the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Keystone Berkeley, and these people showed up who were really
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: part of this religious group called the Legion of Mary.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I thought I'd made it up. John con came up
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: with that name, the Legion of Mary, and he wanted
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to start a new entity and other than the Garcia band.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: He decided to call it that. We all came down
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and he talked to everybody who was at the Keystone,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and sure, Jerry said, what the fuck, change the name,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you know, call it that. So the next time, about
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a month later, we'll be back to the Keystone Berkeley
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: in the back room there and we're ready to go on,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and here comes to really wonderful sisters, these two nuns,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and they came to the back and they're in the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: midst of this den of iniquity. We were smoking pot
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and doing other stuff and biker's all over, a wild
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: scene and they walked in there, Sister Mary, Margaret and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Sister Rose, and they sat down with me and Jerry
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and they said, look, we are the Legion of Mary.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: You cannot use that name. And it was true. This
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: is the true story of the Legion of Mary us
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: M A. R. I us some bay, very functional thing
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: related to the church. And so we dropped it after that,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: but it was the thing where John came up with it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: We did a few gigs around I think we did
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: even a tour on it, so it lasted for a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: short while. There was a little bit of a reverence
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: to it, but John was like that, he just joke
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: about all that kind of stuff, and so he didn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: mean any harm. But I knew it offended them. They
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have come here, and they were so nice about it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: You couldn't refuse them anything if you were there. They
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: were sweet and it wasn't Jerry's way to offend anybody
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: with this stuff. And you know, as I was just
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: reading that, I just realized at the back of the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Keystone double album. You open it up and they're all
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: sitting back there with two nuns on a bench.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, those are the nuns.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And I just realized that that story connects up to
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: that record.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: On That's Awesome.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Onto the guy, the fan who snuck out to see
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the show because he was not allowed out of the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: house that he was in high school.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his parents showed up. This Garcia show will live
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in infamy for me as I was in my last
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: year of high school and my mother was trying to
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: punish me and said I couldn't go, so she sent
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: me out for cigarettes. I met my friends and I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: basically ran away. My mom was so pissed she knew
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: where I was and actually came to the Tower Theater
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to get me. I came out of the first show
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: ready to get in line, and someone I knew in
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: line for the late show said, dude, your mom is here.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I grab my buddy Vicious car Keys and waited in
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: his car until the second show started like a half
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: hour and I thought they would have hit left. I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: hit the lobby and they were in the lobby.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the dad showed up too.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: That both the parents took me home and my dad
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: on the way home said that was really good jazz.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: They watched the first show as they explained the situation
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to the box office guy and they let him in.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: It's really good jazz. But it's funny because I know
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: my dad, he was born in nineteen thirty nine, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: we used every now and then, we would go for
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: rides together and I'd maybe played, you know, poping some
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: music that I think, you know, that he would like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and he really liked Pink Floyd and the Dead. I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: got him into the Dead, and it's actually not all
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that surprising because the roots of the Dead are really
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in jazz, and there's some blues and folk and things
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that it's like the it's like the band for all
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: generations in America. Yep, Hey guys, we'll get back to
• 27:59
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• 28:31
  Speaker 1: The Festival Express train is in the book. Now tell
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: us why this is important to Jerry Garcia and Grateful
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Dead history.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Oh man, this thing I wish I was on that
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: train for five glorious days. In the summer of nineteen seventy,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: a customized train rocked its way across Canada's heartland, delivering
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: its talent and passengers and all star lineup of musicians
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: today long mega concerts in Toronto, Winnipeg and Cape Calgary,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: only captured in the documentary Festival Express. You should check
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: that out if you have it. The train hauled the
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Grateful Dead the band with Janice and dozens of other
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: musicians as a jammed and party round the clock, stopping
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: only to perform, occasionally, sleep and make a special layover
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: in Saskatoon to restock the alcohol. The musicians traveled by
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: chartered Canadian National Railways train at a total of fourteen cars,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: two engines, one diner at five sleepers, two lounge cars,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: two flat cars, one baggage car and one staff car.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: The event, initially billed as a transcontinental pop festival, was
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: being promoted by Eaton Walker Associates, consisting of Thor Eaton,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: George Eaton and Ken Walker and the Industrial and Trade
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Shows of Canada division of McLean Hunter Publishing Company. In
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy, with seemingly every North American city of any
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: size holding a rock festival after the success of Woodstock,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Ken Walker and Thor Eaton, and a pair of Canadian
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: entrepreneurs and music buffs had an idea instead of setting
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: up one massive show with a bunch of top nay
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: max but why not stage a series of them across
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the country. Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter was on the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: trip and soon after I wrote might as Well, a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: song filled with imagery from the legendary trip that was
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: often played live by the Grateful Dead but released as
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: a studio tune on the seventy six Garcia solo album Reflections.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That is a very extensive entry the festival express Train
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: because Jerry did a lot of jamming on there with
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different people, and I dug it
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: all out.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Let's say Yeah, it's been a while since I've seen
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the documentary. Yeah, but it's definitely I must see. I
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: wanted to finish with some of the shows that The
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Dead played in Egypt in seventy eight. There's a colorful
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of the Sound in Light Theater in Giza, Egypt. There
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: are some great stories in there, and one about Jerry
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: climbing to the top of a pyramid. There's another one
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: if you could share the story that Bob Weir talks
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: about when The Dead played at the foot of the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Great Pyramid and he describes the scene and what he sees.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the gig where mosquitos starts swarming around
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the band that starts flying in the full moon's rising
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and the pyramid is lit up with badoans on camels
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: with guns. It's great story. I don't have it in detail,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna read what I have in the book
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: of it. I'm sure there's more than I'm gonnaware of.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But the night before The Grateful Dead's first show at
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Giza Sound in Light Theater at the foot of the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Sphinx and the Great Pyramid, singer guitarist Bob Weir took
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a stroll around the open air venue. During sound check,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: some of the Egyptian drummers we played with were rehearsing
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: where he calls. And I got to a point where
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the head of the Sphinx was lined up at the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: top of the Great Pyramid, all lit up. All of
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: a sudden, I went to this timeless place. The sounds
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: from the stage they could have been from any time,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and it was as if Weir says, I went into eternity.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: So you got to think back to that tune into
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: eternity or under eternity, And I don't know, to me,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: that sounds like that's where he started that though. Anyway,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit more. One moment stands out from
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Bob Weir and I don't know why it's coming to
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: me now, But we were in Egypt the first night
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of three. We were playing on an amphitheare at the
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: foot of the Sphinx, in the foot of the Great Pyramid.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: They lit it up really nice. There was a light
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: show and all that kind of stuff. It was pretty spectacular.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: We were not that far from the Nile River. But anyway,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the sun was going down and we start playing. Lights
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: came on and I hear a mosquito buzz in my ear.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: One lands on my arm, and as we're playing, I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: realized it's dusk, and I look around and there's mosquitos everywhere.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I'm figuring, Okay, this is going to be a welcome
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: to Hell and I'm not going to be able to
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: play a note. I'm starting the swat at mosquitoes and
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how the hell am I going to do this?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And just as I'm thinking that, a shape goes by
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: my head real fast in the full moon starting to rise.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Now it's going to be an eclipse pretty soon. Backlit,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: you can see on the bluffs on either side of
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the theater there's these sand dunes, and these bluffs are
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: now ringed with badoons on their horses and camels with
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: their rifles over their shoulders, hundreds of them on either side.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: They had heard that this was going on and came
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to check it out. Meanwhile, back on the stage, we've
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: got a cloud of mosquitoes, and as it turns out
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that shape that flew by my head, another one flies by,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and then another. I look around again and there are
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: these bats about a foot and a half across, big fellas,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: lots of them going after the Mosquitoes. So if you
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: back off from this, what you see is the Great
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Pyramid lit up golden magenta, whatever color it was at
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: that moment, and the Sphinx also lit up, and the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: theater surrounded by these bedoons. And on the stage is
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the band all lit up, surrounded by a cloud of bats.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: It had to be one of the most sublime moments
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: that ever occurred. I left my body he laughs. If
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I had to freeze a moment in time, this is it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Take me, Lord, this is how I want to remember it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: And then there's a little Jerry one that was really
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: a mind blower. I can honestly say I was a
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: different person before and after those shows. It was a
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: really profound experience. Wow, playing right in the middle of
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: the pyramids. What a totally beautiful things like a psychedelic
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: dream man.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to have been at those shows, Yeah, that must
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: have been like. That was in seventy eight and the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Dead played in Egypt.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I went to the Red Rock shows right before that.
• 35:08
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• 35:11
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  Speaker 1: Well, you could see it. We could see it. I'm
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: seeing both pages there. Yeah, okay, Yeah, if you want
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to flip through some of those sixteen years in the
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: making this book.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Over eleven hundred venue photos in here, there's only I
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: think maybe just two pictures of Jerry. Yeah, because it's
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: not it's about Jerry, but it's also more about the
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: venues where my idea came from. So I've always had
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: a a thing for historic buildings. The book arrived at
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the Port of Miami on Friday, okay, and I should
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: be receiving it hopefully by this Friday.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: All right, So where can people go. There's a website
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they can go to to order this right there is.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: It's called It's Jerry Garcia Music Venues dot Com. Okay,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: as simple as I could make it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Now, there's a third volume on the way.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: There is. I've been working on that for a couple
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: of years also, and it's all on paper other than
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: an update, because I haven't worked on it probably in
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the past year or so because of this.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is on his instruments.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: All of his instruts, about one hundred and twenty five
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: or so. He had a whole banjo collection on top
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: of all his electric stuff and acoustic instruments. And that
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: one's a little bit less ambitious. It's about three hundred pages, okay.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And what can you tell us about a release date?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: You know when that's going to come out? I do not, Okay.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping sometime in mid twenty six, that's my goal.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: But people should go to the website.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: And you know that's where the all the information is
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: also about that book, and it also it kind of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: like connects up to this volume one and two, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that's going to be volume three with the same kind
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: of artwork and cover work by the same artist.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: It's amazing artwork.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the globe won't be there. He'll be holding a guitar, okay,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: and it'll say Jerry's musical instruments up here, all right.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And I have another guy he help me do this.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: His name is Tom Wright. You can see him down
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: at the bottom. Oh no, he's on.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: This one, so I don't see him there. Yeah, your name.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: He's on the instruments book. He was the okay, expert,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I'm the researcher, and he's he pops things right out
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of his head. He has the answers to all kinds
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: of musical stuff. Oh, the only way the artist for
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the book for the book cover is zeb Love. Well
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: known poster artists actually, and did a bunch of Dead
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Dead Company posters. So yeah, he did a great job.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia Music Venues dot Com.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't get the chance to tell you. Before I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: moved to Florida, I was a radio programmer for km
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: UD and Garberville well Redway, California, Okay radio station, and
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I did that for thirteen years. Afternoon Dead Show.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: A fellow radio guy. Okay, very cool, you did an
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Afternoon Dead show. Jerry's you know, he's he's been gone
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: since ninety five, but he really hasn't been gone because
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: his music just continues. It's like he's a part of
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: part of everybody's lives every day. Right.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: There's so many jam bandits that one that playing know
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: it so well.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some great Dead tributes out there too.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you got a chance to see Debt and Company?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I have several times. Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: What do you think of it?
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I missed, Jerry?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but still great. Just that they're keeping that music alive.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, but it's not It doesn't have anything to do
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: with this, Nope, this is the roots of that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: That's the roots of it, all right, Harry, thanks so much, man,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: this was great pleasure talking to you, and congrats on
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the book.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks very much. That's it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: It's in the books.