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This CONFIRMS That it Was ALL Planned!!! | EP 1413 · Simply Bitcoin

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  Literally hours ago we got confirmation that Wall Street
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  Wall Street's attack on Bitcoin has been completely coordinated.
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  JP Morgan has spent the past three months loudly warning that
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  MicroStrategy would be delisted from Morgan Stanley stock index.
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  Now we have officially found out that that was all fake news.
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  But before we get to that huge news story, just ask yourself,
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  was all of this manipulation in 2025 a part of the bigger plan
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  to crash Bitcoin so that Wall Street could buy cheaper Bitcoin
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  and launch their Bitcoin products at the low?
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  I think that that question answers itself at this point.
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  But anyways, what am I talking about?
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  Let's get into the source material first and foremost.
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  We're going to start the saga here for you guys, which we
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  covered this on the show a while ago.
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  It was very interesting what happened.
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  This all was also very clearly aligned with the last two dumps
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  in Bitcoin, specifically the October 10th drop.
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  So here's from Yahoo news. They're quoting crypto news.
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  It goes JP Morgan accused of manufacturing the October 10th
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  crash using a 42 day old document.
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  If you guys don't remember that saga, you didn't watch that
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  show. Essentially, JP Morgan came out
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  and was talking about, oh, hey, there's this big concern about
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  strategy being the Morgan strategy, Morgan Stanley Market
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  Index, and they were talking about the potential fallout,
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  what this would mean, how this is super bad.
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  And then coincidentally, 2, I think it was literally 2 days
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  later they launched JP Morgan, of course, launched A
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  MicroStrategy copycat. So here we go.
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  This is old news at this point, but this does set the stage for
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  what we've seen happen just yesterday.
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  So JP Morgan accused of orchestrating the October 10
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  crypto crash by recycling, of course, an old letter warning of
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  MicroStrategy delicking risk and triggering a $19 billion
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  liquidation cascade, Which is there's a lot of the stuff we've
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  been seeing and hearing not only from JP Morgan, but from Larry
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  Fink himself essentially saying that, hey, bitcoins not going
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  away. But the only problem right now
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  is that the market is being driven by all of the leverage in
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  the market, which if you're reading between the lines, was
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  obviously a cue of saying we're going to liquidate all of the
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  leverage in the market, basically reset the market and
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  then we can start running again. Now, of course, there's still,
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  there's still some debate on whether we are out of the woods
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  so far. You know, I do have Nico here.
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  Nico, Nico's still on the boat that yeah, we're we're
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  definitely in a bear market. I'm like, bro, we're not.
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  The sideways action is playing out exactly as I said it was.
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  But that's the first story. So that's kind of setting the
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  stage for what we're talking about here.
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  Now, another interesting aspect of this is that when Saylor
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  responded to this, he basically, you know, made the case that,
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  yeah, strategy should stay in this index.
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  We aren't concerned about this. And then of course, shortly
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  after JP Morgan came out with what I've been calling a pseudo
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  strategy product, a pseudo micro strategy product or a Michael
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  Saylor copycat product. Literally at the exact bottom,
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  it was like 80 K when JP Morgan came out and said, hey, you
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  know, yeah, they're maybe all these concerns with strategy.
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  But look at us. We're doing this as well.
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  Trust us. Jamie Dimon's like, hey, trust
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  me, bro. You know, I'm Jamie Dimon.
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  Of course I know what I'm doing in the market.
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  Another is interesting kind of tidbit of this saga is for the
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  last month or so, we've seen Sailor pop around to, if not
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  both of these banks, at least one of these banks taking photos
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  and selfies at, you know, what look like the JP Morgan
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  headquarters. I'm still not sure if he was at
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  the Morgan Stanley headquarter for the JP Morgan headquarter in
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  New York, but he was making the rounds, which now that we have
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  found out what just happened yesterday, it all makes you
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  wonder what is exactly going on. Again, my thesis has been pretty
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  clear. 2025 is the year that all these big banks and institutions
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  can finally get into Bitcoin, which it's not a coincidence
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  that they all essentially entered Bitcoin at 100K.
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  They want to get a good discount.
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  They're literally unloading these Bitcoin products at the
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  last bottom around 80 K, and now we find out that all of this was
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  FUD. So here's the, you know,
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  breaking news story. This is the official MSCI
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  announcement. It's a it's like a really,
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  really bad web page. So you know I'm going to
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  struggle a little bit to read this 'cause I got to scroll
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  through it, but just bear with me.
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  So this is an announcement for the MSCI global standard indexes
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  and MSCI again is Morgan Stanley Corporate Corporation corporate
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  Institutional stock Index. I believe that's what MSCI
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  don't, don't quote me on that one, but it's Morgan Stanley's
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  stock index. Anyways, it goes, MSCI announced
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  his results of the consultation on the treatment of digital
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  asset treasury companies. MSCI is determined at this time
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  not to implement the proposal to exclude digital asset treasury
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  companies from the MSCI global investable market indexes.
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  There you go. As part of the February 2026
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  index review, however, MSCI intends to open a broader
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  consultation on the treatment of non operating companies
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  generally. This broader review is intended
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  to ensure consistency and continued alignment with the
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  overall objectives of the MSCI indexes, which seek to measure
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  the performance of operating companies and exclude entities
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  whose primary activities are investment oriented in nature.
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  Now there's a little more of this, but we'll go into kind of
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  what they're going to be looking at and it goes for the time
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  being. The current index treatment of
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  digital asset treasury companies identified in the preliminary
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  list published by MSCI of companies whose digital asset
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  holdings represent 50% or more of their total assets will
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  remain unchanged. Digital asset treasury companies
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  currently included in the MSCI Index will continue to be
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  included, provided they continue to meet all the other index
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  inclusion requirements. MSCI will not implement
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  increases to the number of shares for an inclusion factor
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  or domestic inclusion factor for these securities, and MSCI will
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  defer any additions or size segment migration for all
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  securities included in the Preliminary list.
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  MCI may update the preliminary list as necessary to reflect
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  relevant changes in company disclosures related to digital
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  asset holdings. So essentially they're not doing
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  anything. They're, well, literally not
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  going to do anything. They're not going to, you know,
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  increase the, the size of strategy or any of these digital
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  asset treasury companies in the index, even if they do better in
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  2026. But they're also not going to
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  kick them out. They're they're basically just
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  going to freeze them where they are right now and and here's
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  strategy or MicroStrategy, whatever you want to call it,
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  here's their response. MSCI confirm digital asset
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  treasury companies will remain in the MSCI index for their
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  February 2020 sixth review, a strong outcome for neutral
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  indexing and economic reality. Thank you to our investors and
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  the Bitcoin community. So that's the initial kind of
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  saga here before I kind of give you some of the, you know,
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  Bitcoin Twitter takes of all this.
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  I think it's, it's very clearly at this point been proven, been
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  confirmed that there is some shenanigans happening from Wall
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  Street. I've been kind of hinting to
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  this actually. I've been way more direct than
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  just hinting at it. It seems very obvious what's
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  going on. Wall Street is playing Wall
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  Street games. They come into a tiny market.
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  They obviously want to do whatever they can to accumulate
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  as much as they can in this market before the price goes up.
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  And and it makes you wonder, was 2025 the bear market induced
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  because of Wall Street playing games, whether it was James St.
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  shorting at 10:00 AM every morning, whether it was, you
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  know, some kind of agreement with market makers so that
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  BlackRock, JP Morgan, all of these banks can get positions it
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  for their ETFs or other products.
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  And I think another little wrinkle that is super
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  interesting is yesterday we just saw as well Morgan Stanley file
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  for their own spot Bitcoin ETF. So as much as we were pointing
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  at just maybe BlackRock or, you know, rather Larry Fink or Jamie
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  Dimon and JP Morgan as being the, you know, the source for
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  the manipulation, it's starting to become maybe a little broader
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  than just those two monoliths, those two, you know, megalodons
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  in Wall Street. It seems to be coming from
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  almost everyone on Wall Street, which at this point, guys, are
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  we really surprised? Look, Bitcoin's been
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  outperforming Wall Street for the last 17 years.
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  They just were able to get into Bitcoin at 100K.
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  They got a 30% discount on it. It just seems like a, it seems
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  honestly, as much as I'm a Bitcoiner and you can call me
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  whatever you want, it seems like some smart, some smart market
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  making here. They're like, look, we get in
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  100K. We don't want this to run before
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  we have a position to unleash our products.
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  Obviously, before they got all of the regulatory clarity, it's
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  pretty safe to assume they were having these conversations and
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  talking and building these products.
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  As we've been hinting and showing you guys on the show,
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  the institutions didn't get scared out of Bitcoin in 2025.
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  It seems like they were just planning themselves in the right
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  position to take advantage of what happened in 2025 in Bitcoin
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  in the price while everyone was freaking out expecting either,
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  you know, huge parabolic runs or expecting the four year cycle to
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  play out. Exactly.
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  Hence why I've been saying I think the institutions entering
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  Bitcoin, for better or worse, they fundamentally change what
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  happens in Bitcoin. Now I know Nico's a little still
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  on board that four year cycles playing out, which to this
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  point, he's not wrong, but I am starting to warm up and and you
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  know, start to take my victory lap here.
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  I feel like I'm I'm going to be vindicated here soon, Nico.
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  So but it's very clear from my opinion, if you survive 2025, if
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  you've been stacking in 2025, you may have just stacked
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  through the the biggest head fake of Bitcoin in in recent
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  memory. The institutions came in, they
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  tried to kneecap Bitcoin so they get a good position.
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  They launched their products. It's literally playing out
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  exactly like the billionaire Fudd playbook that I've been
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  talking about for years now. You say, hey, Bitcoin's bad.
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  I don't like it. You kind of FUD it.
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  Then you accumulate or you launch products for Bitcoin and
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  then once you're ready, it's go time and you're ready to just
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  send all of the capital into Bitcoin.
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  To me, it seems very obvious that this is what's playing out
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  currently. But I, I will, I do have some
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  some Bitcoin Twitter takes on this that we will kind of talk
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  about in a minute. I will pass this to Nico.
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  Nico, can we very clearly say that Wall Street has been
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  manipulating Bitcoin all year long and also specifically
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  trying to destroy strategy? Well, I have AI have a good
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  friend. Well, the destroying strategy
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  thing is not a thesis anymore like that was we caught them
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  dead to rights right like JP Morgan, Jamie Dimon was
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  literally, you know fudding strategy in every single way.
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  You know, they were shorting strategy and then within a week
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  they coincidentally announced that they were launching a
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  Bitcoin related product that was going to compete with strategy.
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  So that I don't think is AI, don't think that's a theory
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  anymore. I don't think that's a
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  conspiracy. That is you can't catch them
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  more dead to rights. Also, I found it kind of
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  interesting that you saw a picture of Michael Saylor at the
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  JP Morgan headquarters in New York City.
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  A lot of people were doing the Geo tracking.
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  You could see the Central Park in the back background and like,
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  people were basically, you know, coming to the conclusion that,
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  yeah, the that was the JP Morgan headquarters where Michael
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  Saylor was. So again, there's definitely
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  some things happening in the background.
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  Now, the first part that you brought up, which is like, has
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  Wall Street been manipulating Bitcoin?
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  Now, I had, I brought this up to a friend who worked in
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  traditional banking. He like came from that industry.
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  And I, I brought up that narrative to him.
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  I'm like, dude, like they're manipulating the price and he's
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  like Nico, like what are you talking about?
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  Like this is what they do. This is not manipulation.
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  Like this is this is Wall Street doing what Wall Street does
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  best. Now, again, from a Bitcoiners
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  perspective, because me and Opti, you know, got introduced
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  to the financial markets through Bitcoin versus a lot of people,
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  especially a lot of people that watch us, they got introduced to
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  Bitcoin through traditional markets and then they got they
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  ran into Bitcoin, right? So it was this kind of like, you
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  know, one thing follows the other rather than we were forced
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  to learn traditional markets just to kind of do a good job
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  for you guys and to talk about it.
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  But initially we were just Bitcoiners.
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  We were the huddling Bitcoin, you know, we learned how to take
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  self custody and then number go up.
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  Now that Wall Street's kind of involved, it's become a much
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  larger asset. The number go up thing has kind
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  of really gone by the wayside. 2025, no matter how what, how,
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  how you cut it, how you approach it, how you see it, It was a it
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  was a terrible year for Bitcoin. It was down 8% on the year.
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  Gold was up 63%, silver was up 123%.
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  And the S&P 500, I don't know what it was up.
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  It was like up like 30, like 20 or 3030%, right?
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  So no, no matter how how you want to cut it or slice it or
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  frame it, 2025 was a bad year for Bitcoin.
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  Now, if you're a believer in the four year cycle theory, we're
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  still following it to the T, right?
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  We peaked in October of 2025. We have yet to hit an all time
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  high. My base case is I think we're
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  going to bottom out in the next couple of months or so.
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  And then I think in the, I think 2026 is going to be a green year
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  because the theory would be, do I believe that Bitcoin is going
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  to be higher than $87,000 at the end of 2026?
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  That's the theory. Of course it is.
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  I, I, I would be very, very surprised if Bitcoin was below
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  $87,000 at the end of 2026. But that doesn't mean that
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  you're not going to have this crazy volatility in the middle
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  of 2026. Now, another thing that I'll add
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  to this as well is going back to your initial question regarding
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  Wall Street manipulating and packing their bags.
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  Wall Street is paying their dues.
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  This is the the epoch that Wall Street pays their dues like like
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  Michael Saylor and like Naimbu Kelley.
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  This is the epoch that Wall Street pays their dues.
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  And when Wall Street pays their dues and they realize that they
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  made an amazing investment in Bitcoin, I think you're just
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  going to see, you know, a bulls on parade, man.
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  You're just going to see a Stampede of, of companies of of
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  traditional companies that otherwise would have no interest
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  in Bitcoin. All of a sudden you're just
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  going to see them wanting to get some Bitcoin.
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  And I kept talking to someone again, experience from like the
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  corporate world, Fortune 500. And he kept telling me, he's
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  kept saying this to me over and over again.
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  One of the two things that stuck out to me were, listen, Nico, I
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  think it's just a matter of time before the US government
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  announce it. That announces that it's been
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  accumulating Bitcoin. That's thing number one that he
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  told me and thing #2 that he told me was like, look, I think
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  people and companies in the world still have not truly
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  appreciated Bitcoins absolute scarcity because if they have,
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  then then it would be a totally different conversation.
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  So I don't think, I think calling it manipulation would be
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  the wrong word. I think Wall Street is doing
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  what Wall Street has always done right.
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  And it's to just make money off of retail, right?
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  And I, I, I think and they've definitely.
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  Made a lot of money off these ETFs.
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  Yeah, and I mean, like last year, like there were so many,
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  you know, the, the, the Trump's family, you know, has so much
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  involvement in the sector in the space.
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  And there is so many times where Bitcoin started to run.
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  There was 2 times last year where Bitcoin started to run.
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  It was doing fine. And then Trump would like fat
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  finger on truth social talk about tariffs and all this stuff
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  and the price would dump like 2030%.
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  So like, you know, it's kind of like, you know, before they
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  captured Maduro, there was this Poly market bet, right?
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  Where someone bet like 30,000 that Maduro was going to be
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  captured by the end of of January 31st.
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  Whoever that person was made like, hey yo.
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  Baron, let me get some tips bro. They.
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  Made like they made like 4 or $500,000 off a $30,000
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  investment. So they, they made a fortune.
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  Now I'm they could have gone unlucky or they just they knew
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  somebody that knew somebody, right.
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  So again, like I, I don't like look, if you're saying oh Nico,
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  that's unethical, fine, you can make an argument for that.
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  Whatever. I don't I disagree, but you
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  know, this is what all of do you think Nancy Pelosi is the most
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  successful stock trader of all time just because she's like the
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  next Warren Buffett? No, like, no, she's.
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  Outperformed Warren Buffett. She's.
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  Outperformed Warren Buffett, like, she's worth like $200
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  million. Like, do you think she's worth
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  $200 million? Because, like, you know, she's a
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  fantastic trader. Like you're not supposed to make
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  money in politics. She's made $200 million is
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  'cause she knows some things about what laws are going to get
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  passed and how those laws are going to benefit specific
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  companies. And she knows before the laws
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  are going to get passed. So she knows how to properly
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  position herself. Like, you know, and I think that
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  that could be the case with Bitcoin.
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  Like you have Bitcoin now in the highest halls of power, right?
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  You know, you have Howard Leupnick who's a huge fan of
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  Bitcoin. Like he saw him on on on Anthony
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  Pompliano's podcast talking about how, you know, he has
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  plans to buy 10s of $1,000,000 worth of Bitcoin, hundreds of
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  millions of dollars of worth of Bitcoin.
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  And he is the secretary of Commerce, right?
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  You have Trump's family, Trump himself like 8th largest Bitcoin
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  treasury company. Trump's family is involved in
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  the Bitcoin mining industry. Like to think that they don't
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  want number to go up is extremely naive.
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  And I think 2026, because the midterms are really around the
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  corner and in less than a year, I think that it's in Trump's
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  best interest to really make number go up because that's the
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  only promise from Nashville that he hasn't completed yet.
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  Because I'm still waiting for my bags to get pumped.
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  President Trump and they haven't been pumped yet.
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  But other than that, everything has been, you know, everything
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  has been good. Now I, I last thing I'll say
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  because I know I've been rambling for a while, is I got
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  to give a shout out to Rumble. Rumble just announced their
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  their non custodial wallet today so you could tip us on Rumble.
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  We we already got our first Bitcoin tip on Rumble.
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  You could tip us on Rumble right now.
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  Someone just sent us Bitcoin. Thank you and.
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  Maria Foreman shouts out the first tip.
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  We just got, we just got our first tip on Rumble.
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  So Rumble just launched a non custodial Bitcoin and Tether
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  wallet. So you can tip us directly to
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  our Rumble wallet. If you're a fan of the show, big
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  shout out to Tether and for Rumble for rolling this out.
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  And again, I get the key part here is that it's a non
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  custodial wallet, right? So there's no third party
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  interference. The assets can't be seized, the
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  money can't be seized. It goes to it goes to the
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  creator. Very, very empowering.
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  And then I think that's what's gonna potentially put pressure
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  on competitors to, you know, kind of get their act together
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  and say, hey, listen, we kind of have to roll something out,
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  right? Market forces do what market
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  forces do best anyways. Pass it back to you, Opti.
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  Yeah, man. I mean, look, I know you're
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  feeling bullish for 2026, but I think you're crazy bro, because.
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  Well, I I definitely am crazy so.
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  The four year cycle's intact. It hasn't changed.
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  I mean, it literally has though. How so?
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  All time high before the having. OK.
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  No 3 green, 1 red. OK.
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  That's like the main part about it, which we got 2 green, one
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  red and so does that mean we're going to see 2026 red or green,
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  therefore invalidating the meme aspect of the four year cycle
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  Though I do, I have been kind of conceding to the point that 18
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  months after the halving we did get an all time highs.
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  So you know that's the case we we hit we did get one of the
• 21:48
  factors. So it just it really depends on
• 21:50
  what are we talking about as the four year cycle.
• 21:53
  Now if that was the bear market, I'm totally OK with this.
• 21:58
  Maybe Sailor was right that the volatility is going down and
• 22:00
  we're not getting crazy bear markets again.
• 22:03
  But my more like institutional take on this that things have
• 22:08
  changed essentially since the ETF has came out and launched
• 22:11
  and that that thesis is still kind of holding up that we kind
• 22:15
  of will bubble up, we'll pull back, we'll go sideways and then
• 22:18
  we'll make another step up. It's kind of like a slinky right
• 22:21
  now. So I'm not completely vindicated
• 22:23
  yet, but with the recent price action, maybe not yesterday and
• 22:28
  today, but it it does feel especially and then also all of
• 22:32
  the Wall Street products that are being launched, even no, I
• 22:34
  don't endorse them. It just makes me feel like, like
• 22:38
  you said, you know, 2026, they're going to run the money
• 22:40
  printer extremely hot. All that extra liquidity is
• 22:44
  going to have to find a home and I think it's going to hit
• 22:46
  Bitcoin. Now we could, you know, have a
• 22:48
  blow off top and then come back down maybe to these prices or a
• 22:52
  little higher or something like that.
• 22:53
  But in my opinion, I think the four year cycle's already
• 22:55
  broken. Yeah, I mean, OK, so let's go
• 23:00
  step by step on what you just said.
• 23:02
  The meme is definitely invalidated 100%.
• 23:05
  I agree with you there. The all time high before the
• 23:09
  halving you can say that is some type of invalidation.
• 23:12
  I think the the two year the 2 green one red like that is
• 23:17
  weird. Like, that's strange, right?
• 23:19
  That's literally the four year cycle meme though.
• 23:22
  But three green, one red didn't have it.
• 23:24
  But the timing, the timing. I'll give you that the timing is
• 23:27
  the timing. Is still.
• 23:28
  The timing is still intact. 4 Chan's Wizards knew it so.
• 23:32
  For anyone doesn't know right, the the timing between the
• 23:35
  halvings hasn't broken in terms of when the bottom is and when
• 23:39
  the peak is, right? And it's followed this
• 23:42
  consistent pattern of I don't know how many months and this
• 23:45
  cycle has been no different. We peaked in October.
• 23:49
  I think it's 18 months after the halving is usually the all time
• 23:52
  high. I think that's kind of like.
• 23:53
  The main, and it could have like honestly too like what could
• 23:56
  have like thrown us a curveball is the fact that we peeked at
• 24:01
  the having like this could have been like a cycle where most of
• 24:06
  the gains were actually in the beginning of the cycle rather
• 24:09
  than towards the end of the cycle.
• 24:12
  How you how cycles normally play out.
• 24:13
  And another thing I'll like to say is everyone wants the 2017
• 24:18
  parabola. Like that is what everybody
• 24:20
  remembers. That's when Bitcoin went
• 24:22
  mainstream. But if you look at every single
• 24:26
  one of Bitcoin's havings, whether it's 23rd or or
• 24:29
  Parabolas or Euphoria years, whether it's 2013, 20/17/2021 or
• 24:35
  2025, they've all played out different.
• 24:39
  The only textbook Parabola year that we've ever had was
• 24:43
  20/17/2013. We had like 2 double tops.
• 24:46
  We had like a double tops. You can argue the 2013 it.
• 24:51
  Was a double top. It was we had.
• 24:53
  One Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And.
• 24:54
  Then it went down, and then it had another peak, and then 2017.
• 24:57
  It did go parabolic though. It went.
• 24:59
  Parabolic. It was 2 parabolic double tops
• 25:02
  and then 2017 was one giant parabola and then 2021.
• 25:08
  What my my base case is that it was cut short because of the
• 25:11
  Chinese Communist Party ban on Bitcoin mining.
• 25:14
  But regardless, you did have some type of peak and then and
• 25:19
  then the 2025 threw a curveball to everybody because everybody
• 25:25
  got caught with their pants down like everybody like scratching
• 25:29
  and hoping for, you know, a a dopamine hit and just we never
• 25:34
  got it just never came to fruition, bro.
• 25:37
  So I don't know, man. Let's see what hold on even even
• 25:42
  further. I I think honestly, like I, I
• 25:45
  know what you're saying, but I think you made my point for me.
• 25:48
  We we don't even have that much data to even even believe in the
• 25:51
  four year cycle. And yet we all did believe in
• 25:53
  the four year cycle. It's like we had 114 year cycle
• 25:57
  play out perfectly with 2017, though it it all played out
• 26:02
  three green one red. That didn't happen.
• 26:04
  So anyways, anyways, let's let me let me pull up some of these
• 26:08
  kind of takes on Twitter. There's a few good ones.
• 26:10
  Someone spicy here. I I'm going to start with the
• 26:12
  spicy one because this one is super interesting to me.
• 26:16
  So shouts out to Marilyn Hoddle here he's quote tweeting the
• 26:21
  Bitcoin mag tweet about this about the you know, strategy not
• 26:26
  being pushed out the MSCI index and he goes, it was all about
• 26:31
  Wall Street positioning keep MSTR keep strategy contained,
• 26:34
  engineering new Bitcoin based structured products to compete,
• 26:37
  suppressing the Bitcoin price long enough to fund and
• 26:40
  distribute them and delaying recognition of stretch as an
• 26:43
  unstoppable conversion mechanism.
• 26:45
  This is where it gets spicy. All right, this these aren't my
• 26:48
  words. This is a tweet and it goes.
• 26:49
  The only real question was whether sailor was in on it,
• 26:52
  whether government fingerprints were involved or whether this
• 26:55
  was simply Wall Street doing what it always does.
• 26:57
  At this point, it doesn't matter.
• 26:59
  We know where the puck is going. Congrats to those of you that
• 27:02
  survived the great Bitcoin head fake of 2025.
• 27:07
  Kind of spicy take there. I, I, I love a little spice.
• 27:11
  Here's a probably a more you know what, what do you call it?
• 27:16
  Measure take a more kind of neutral take.
• 27:19
  And he goes, basically, this is James E Thorne, Doctor J
• 27:23
  strategy on Twitter. And he goes, Yep, they're up to
• 27:26
  their old tricks. Yes, strategy is allowed to stay
• 27:28
  in the MSCI index, but under the surface, games are still being
• 27:32
  played to suppress Bitcoin in digital assets.
• 27:34
  MSCI move exposes how the status quo still quietly works to
• 27:38
  suppress Bitcoin. By freezing index driven upside
• 27:41
  while avoiding an explicit ban, they blunt the reflexive benefit
• 27:45
  fits of corporate Bitcoin adoption.
• 27:47
  This is framed as risk management but functionally
• 27:50
  protects legacy financial structures from a credible
• 27:53
  alternative. Did MSCI really think we would
• 27:56
  not read the fine print? This is probably like the best
• 27:59
  take of this, a more measured take of it.
• 28:02
  And then we got one last one we got James van Stratton.
• 28:06
  Oops, sorry, James van Stratton from Coindesk and he goes the
• 28:11
  game is rigged. The October liquidation crash
• 28:14
  was completely fabricated. It was all a chance for the big,
• 28:18
  big boys to get in lower, which is kind of my take that that's
• 28:22
  kind of what I've been seeing and what I'm viewing this as.
• 28:25
  But I, I think very clearly we, we can all agree that there is
• 28:30
  some shenanigans going on. And I think the, the more
• 28:35
  measure take is probably like the signal through the noise.
• 28:38
  Of course, I throw in some spicy memes in there.
• 28:41
  But as I've been saying the last couple of days, it is very clear
• 28:46
  that these institutions are begrudgingly accepting Bitcoin.
• 28:50
  They're not here for, you know, the Bitcoin revolution like we
• 28:53
  are. They don't really care to
• 28:55
  huddle. They're just here because, one,
• 28:57
  of course, clients are probably asking about that.
• 29:00
  And two, the greed's taking over, which is the aligned
• 29:02
  incentive to Bitcoin. They've looked at Bitcoin for
• 29:06
  the last 17 years and they're like, damn, we literally missed
• 29:09
  out on the best performing asset because we all thought we were
• 29:12
  too smart and we all thought this thing was going to go away.
• 29:15
  And now it's not. Now the president is embracing
• 29:18
  it. We have to embrace this whether
• 29:20
  we want to or not. And I think Vanguard was like a
• 29:22
  perfect example of this. The old CEO was like, we're
• 29:26
  never Vanguard's never going to have the Bitcoin ETFs, you know,
• 29:31
  a short time after they booted him out.
• 29:33
  And who did they bring in? The literal guy who launched the
• 29:36
  BlackRock Bitcoin ETF as the head of Vanguard shortly after,
• 29:40
  you know, towards the end of the year, they're like, OK, actually
• 29:44
  guys, we're we're going to launch the Bitcoin ETF.
• 29:46
  So a lot of shenanigans playing out, But I, I think it's very
• 29:50
  clear that they want a good position in Bitcoin and I think
• 29:53
  that's what's going on, hence why I'm starting.
• 29:56
  I'm still bullish. I'm like, yo, they're going to
• 29:58
  send it like they're not going to have, we're not going to have
• 30:00
  two red years. You know, if we do, hey, I'll be
• 30:04
  wrong. Like I was wrong this year.
• 30:05
  You guys have been calling me wrong in the chat all the time.
• 30:07
  Yeah, I was completely wrong last year.
• 30:09
  I did not factor in that. JP Morgan, Black Rock, Morgan
• 30:13
  Stanley and all of Wall Street wanted to get cheaper sets.
• 30:17
  OK, I sorry, you know I'm not an all seeing person here.
• 30:22
  I just been reading what's going on.
• 30:24
  I'm following it along like you guys, but I think 2026 they're
• 30:27
  going to send it is my take. Especially with the midterms
• 30:30
  coming up, especially knowing the macro factors, knowing
• 30:33
  they're going to run the money printer.
• 30:35
  The Fed just started expanding their balance sheet which is
• 30:37
  literally QE without saying QE. I'm like bro, they're just going
• 30:41
  to send it like they they have to.
• 30:43
  I mean, look, my base case is I think we're going to, I think
• 30:46
  we're going to bottom out towards the middle of the year.
• 30:50
  And then I think we're going to like, do I think that Bitcoins
• 30:53
  going to be lower at the end of 2026 then $87,000?
• 30:59
  No, if it's not lower then it's a green year, right?
• 31:02
  Like that's it's just. Going to be like it's going to
• 31:04
  be 8888 by the end of the year with some licks.
• 31:06
  If it's 90 Ki am I am bullish? I am bullish heading into
• 31:11
  20272028 and 2029 I'm. Extremely.
• 31:15
  I can't believe we're just completely skipping over 26 bro.
• 31:18
  Extremely bullish heading into those years because again, the
• 31:21
  longer Bitcoin consolidated in 2025 was a distribution slash
• 31:25
  consultant validation year. I think the, the more explosive
• 31:30
  upward movement is when it eventually comes.
• 31:33
  I, I, I don't think bitcoins parabolas are behind it.
• 31:36
  I still think Bitcoin has parabolas and it's in in its
• 31:40
  future history. I, I just don't see that like
• 31:43
  like going I just, I just don't see that going away, man.
• 31:46
  I don't see that going. Away.
• 31:47
  Yeah, someone, someone goes. Guess we're just here for the
• 31:50
  entertainment value now because there's no more number.
• 31:53
  Go up. I mean, we, we literally label
• 31:57
  ourselves as entertainment. So anyways, it's over bro.
• 32:01
  The over guys. It's going to be an incredible
• 32:06
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• 32:09
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• 32:10
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• 32:12
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• 32:18
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• 32:19
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• 32:22
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• 32:24
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• 32:26
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• 32:51
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• 32:54
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• 32:59
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• 33:02
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• 33:05
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• 33:07
  Absolutely. So Larry Laparde is gonna be
• 33:09
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• 33:13
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• 33:15
  Laparde's gonna be joining us. John from Bitcoin Day is gonna
• 33:18
  be joining us as well. We have a packed show of a clip
• 33:21
  of Arthur Hayes calling for $576,000 Bitcoin by the end of
• 33:26
  2026. I had to add some bull sauce and
• 33:29
  Opti's here and then. Wow, he's getting.
• 33:31
  Bullish. And then during the new segment,
• 33:33
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• 33:47
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• 33:53
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• 33:55
  So anyways, guys, you're going to want to stay tuned.
• 33:57
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• 33:58
  I don't know if I'm going to be here for the rest of the week,
• 34:00
  guys. My I'm the birth of my daughter
• 34:03
  could have happened any day now. So Opti's going to be holding it
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  We have John from Bitcoin Day joining us.
• 36:42
  John, how you doing? I'm doing great.
• 36:44
  How are you, Nico? Thank you for joining us.
• 36:46
  Later on during the culture segment, ladies and gentlemen,
• 36:49
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• 36:53
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• 36:57
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• 36:58
  all things Bitcoin Day during the culture segment.
• 37:01
  But before we get into that, let's get into the numbers.
• 37:03
  At the time of recording, Bitcoin price is $91,290.00
• 37:07
  block height 931,301 market cap 1.82 trillion Bitcoin versus
• 37:14
  gold market cap 5.72% Declined from all time high -27.6%.
• 37:20
  The grand scheme of things, we are just getting the party
• 37:23
  started. Anyways, I told you guys I had a
• 37:25
  clip from Arthur Hayes calling for $576,000 Bitcoin by the end
• 37:31
  of 2026. That is effing bonkers.
• 37:35
  Let's check out the clip and then we'll talk about it.
• 37:38
  I'm sticking with it. I think I said $250,000 Bitcoin
• 37:41
  and I am going to stick with it until December 31st. 11:59
• 37:47
  Pardon me, I tried to make it a little better for you there,
• 37:50
  Arthur. I tried to say it was 200,000
• 37:52
  knocked 50 grand off, but you're sticking with the 250 by by the
• 37:57
  end of 2026. What do you think?
• 38:01
  I think we're be, you know, 500 to 750,000 Bitcoin, I think 2026
• 38:06
  and 2027. This is the meat of the money
• 38:09
  printing the the Trump administration is going to do
• 38:12
  what they know how to do best, whatever government knows how to
• 38:14
  do best. When in doubt, print the money.
• 38:16
  If the people are unhappy, print the money and hand them the
• 38:18
  goody and they're going to show up with the polls and hopefully
• 38:21
  vote for you. So that was the base case that
• 38:24
  we've had for a while now, right?
• 38:28
  But what I will say is, bro, you and Arthur Hayes would get along
• 38:33
  really, really well, Opti. Well, you know, I did see some
• 38:36
  pictures of him over at space a couple of times.
• 38:38
  So man, you know, you know, maybe we would get along, you
• 38:41
  know what I'm saying? But $576,000 Bitcoin, his bait,
• 38:47
  his theory though, is the same theory that we have, right?
• 38:50
  Which is we, the Republicans that are heading into a midterm
• 38:54
  year, they're going to get smoked.
• 38:57
  As things stand, the first year of Trump's presidency wasn't
• 39:01
  exactly his most popular. He definitely started the year
• 39:05
  strong with the Maduro thing that that definitely, you know,
• 39:10
  bumped him up in popularity. A lot of people appreciated
• 39:12
  that. He definitely won over the
• 39:14
  Hispanic vote, at least here in South Florida with that move.
• 39:18
  But I want to see more. I was promised all time highs in
• 39:22
  Nashville in 2024. Well, he came through with that.
• 39:27
  Yeah, bro, but it was like he said moon, he said have fun with
• 39:31
  your I was. Promised 150 early in the
• 39:33
  presidency. That's what I heard.
• 39:34
  I was promised a lot more, bro. So I want more.
• 39:37
  I want more. I want the print that money,
• 39:39
  print that money. That's what I wanna see.
• 39:41
  Jerome Powell is gonna get replaced this year.
• 39:44
  We're gonna have a more, you know, pro Trump Fed chair, which
• 39:48
  is good. We shall see how that ends up.
• 39:51
  But anyways, John, welcome to the show.
• 39:54
  Happy to have you. That prediction is is very
• 39:57
  aggressive. What?
• 39:59
  What would you say to that? Well, I mean, it's not as
• 40:01
  aggressive as some of the other predictions that were missed in
• 40:04
  2025, right? I mean, the what the Samson Mao
• 40:07
  $1,000,000 prediction was way off.
• 40:10
  And but yeah, I think that's probably a little aggressive,
• 40:16
  but you know, I'm not much into price predictions.
• 40:20
  I just feel like Bitcoin is going to be at some higher level
• 40:30
  a year from now and it's going to be whatever it is.
• 40:35
  And I'm not really a price watcher.
• 40:37
  I, I look at it from the long term perspective, I'm in it for
• 40:42
  the long haul and I know that if I zoom out, I'm going to see a,
• 40:48
  an upward curve because the demand is going to continue to
• 40:51
  increase. And as we do this education that
• 40:55
  we do and we onboard more and more people and more and more
• 40:58
  people understand the principles of Bitcoin, the demand is going
• 41:04
  to continue to increase and that will just drive the price up
• 41:07
  because of the sound principles of sound money that Bitcoin has.
• 41:12
  OK, I'll take I'll take that argument at face value, John.
• 41:15
  But what the F happened in I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna ask Larry
• 41:19
  this question too. What the F happened in 2025?
• 41:22
  We got smoked by silver. We got smoked by gold.
• 41:27
  Literally got smoked by. Everybody, the S&P 500 took us
• 41:30
  to school. I think it was like the only
• 41:32
  Christmas where you know that that uncle that you have is
• 41:36
  like, ha, ha, ha, I got you. So Bitcoin does have all these
• 41:41
  characteristics, as you said, but why did it underperform in
• 41:45
  2025 and what makes you think 2026 is going to be different?
• 41:51
  Man, you know, put me on the spot.
• 41:54
  I am not really an analyst, Nico.
• 41:56
  So I think that I, all I can tell you is what I'm what I hear
• 42:01
  from different people. The theory that I think I liked
• 42:04
  the most is that the set that there's so many institutions, so
• 42:10
  many large players in the game now that they were suppressing
• 42:15
  the price to get to the end of the year so they could claim
• 42:19
  capital losses. And that soon, I mean, it did
• 42:23
  happen kind of like they, like I heard that as soon as the
• 42:28
  January hit, we started to see a little bit of a price increase.
• 42:31
  It's not going up that much, but it's still kind of going
• 42:33
  upwards. And so maybe that theory is
• 42:36
  correct. Yeah, let's see.
• 42:39
  Let's see what happens. I'm I'm, I'm excited.
• 42:42
  I'm excited about 2026. Look, once we get through either
• 42:45
  the pain or the boredom, my base case is still 500K by by 20-30.
• 42:52
  That's my base case. If Bitcoin doesn't hit 500K by
• 42:56
  20-30 I think we need a new job bro.
• 42:59
  Oh, it's over dude. If Bitcoin is a stable coin this
• 43:02
  year, it's over for us without a doubt.
• 43:06
  So anyways, no, but but let me let me jump in here.
• 43:10
  Yeah, let me, let me a. Little bit on.
• 43:11
  That well, I'm just saying look, you know, number number go up
• 43:15
  drives new people into the space for better or worse.
• 43:18
  That's just how it works guys like don't shoot the messenger.
• 43:21
  That's just how it works. We've seen it play out multiple
• 43:24
  times. That's how I got into Bitcoin.
• 43:26
  You know, you, you come for the games, you stay for the
• 43:28
  revolution. That's usually how it works out.
• 43:30
  So if we don't see price go up, one, there's not going to be new
• 43:37
  people coming in learning about Bitcoin, 2 Bitcoins not even
• 43:40
  keeping up with inflation. At that point, we're just
• 43:42
  getting cooked overall, like everything's everything's
• 43:44
  broken. But I do want to hit on Arthur
• 43:48
  Hayes prediction a little bit. You guys know me, I'm I've been
• 43:52
  the only one bullish on this show throughout the whole year.
• 43:55
  Even when I was wrong. I'm still bullish on this year,
• 43:58
  but I'm I'm going to be honest with you, like what do you say
• 44:01
  575 by end of year like that? That's crazy talk in my opinion
• 44:05
  like hey, I'd love to see it. I do agree with this thesis.
• 44:11
  I think that is exactly what's going on.
• 44:13
  And that's why I am maintaining my bullishness is because, as he
• 44:18
  essentially said, the Trump administration is going into a
• 44:23
  midterm and, you know, he's not running again after the midterm.
• 44:28
  So, like, this is kind of his last hoorah.
• 44:31
  And if he does, if the Republicans do not maintain
• 44:33
  control during the midterms, like this whole presidency, his
• 44:39
  second term is just completely. Cooked dude.
• 44:41
  He said it at the GOP House retreat.
• 44:44
  He literally bro. By the way, you guys have to see
• 44:46
  this speech because me and Opie were just literally dying of
• 44:49
  laughing. Oh yeah, the one this morning
• 44:51
  was insane. That was that was insane.
• 44:55
  But that was part of his speech. But anyways, Trump was making
• 44:59
  the case that, look, here's the thing, if Trump doesn't keep the
• 45:05
  House, they're going to impeach him again.
• 45:07
  Yeah, it's over. It's not like they're going to
• 45:09
  impeach him to get him out of office, but they're going to
• 45:11
  impeach him to impede his presidency, right?
• 45:14
  So he really had these two years to make a mark.
• 45:17
  The first year, I'll give him AC plus to B minus.
• 45:22
  It was not that great so far, 2026 I'm giving him an A 'cause
• 45:27
  that the Maduro the. Editor Lit.
• 45:29
  And the memes and the things he was dropping, they were lit.
• 45:33
  And now he's just talking about like, as if he owns the country.
• 45:36
  And now gone for Greenland or something.
• 45:38
  You know what's? Going on now they're making a
• 45:40
  bid for Greenland. Like, yes, this is literally
• 45:43
  what I voted for. I don't know what the F happened
• 45:45
  last year. That was lame.
• 45:48
  So let's see what happens in 2026 because I'll tell you what,
• 45:52
  all of the bitcoiners, all of the people that own Bitcoin and
• 45:55
  crypto, if that, if that is making all time highs by the end
• 45:59
  of the year, by the time we get to midterms, Opti's probably
• 46:03
  going to vote. You know, Opti's going to be
• 46:05
  happy, Opti's going to be hyped, you know?
• 46:08
  That's a big if bro. Are you telling me that if we're
• 46:12
  not at half a $1,000,000 Bitcoin, you're not going to be
• 46:14
  like, yeah, I'm going to wow. I mean, I would just say that
• 46:17
  Bitcoin's doing Bitcoin things, you know, and.
• 46:20
  What do you think? So you don't think you don't
• 46:23
  think if the Dems take back the House, Bitcoin's going to just?
• 46:27
  Oh, yeah, we're going to get cooked.
• 46:28
  That's what I'm trying to tell you.
• 46:32
  That's what I'm trying to tell you.
• 46:33
  OK, OK. OK.
• 46:33
  All right, All right, Enough of that, Enough of that anyways,
• 46:36
  wait, wait. I do want to add a little bit
• 46:37
  because there there is like good context to this.
• 46:40
  I think kind of the biggest thing that like sunk into me
• 46:45
  recently is that, you know, the Republicans historically are
• 46:50
  voted in because they kind of run on this like pro, you know,
• 46:55
  really healthy economy. And as of last year, even though
• 46:59
  the official numbers have been coming out, the economy is doing
• 47:01
  so well. You've heard all of the, you
• 47:03
  know, Golden Age memes, etcetera, etcetera.
• 47:06
  But on Main Street, everyone's feeling something different.
• 47:10
  And so like what Arthur Hayes said is, you know, they might
• 47:14
  not go full helicopter money on this, but they got to run the
• 47:18
  economy so hot that everyone starts to feel like they're
• 47:21
  better off or else they're really going to get cooked in
• 47:23
  the midterm. So that's kind of my take.
• 47:25
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  Alright everybody, we got the man, the myth, the legend, the
• 50:19
  one and only Larry Leopard joining us on the show today.
• 50:25
  Larry, how you doing? I'm great.
• 50:26
  How are you guys doing? Thanks for joining us and of
• 50:29
  course we got John from Bitcoin Day.
• 50:31
  Larry, I, I, I haven't had you on the show.
• 50:33
  It's been a while now. It's been like 6 months.
• 50:37
  But I'm gonna start off with this because I think everybody
• 50:40
  has a lot of questions with what happened in 2025.
• 50:44
  You had a record year for silver golds, even though the, the size
• 50:49
  of the asset is enormous, literally went parabolic.
• 50:52
  I think it was up 63% on the year.
• 50:55
  The S&P had an incredible year as well.
• 50:58
  What the hell happened with Bitcoin, Larry?
• 51:02
  Well, Bitcoin became kind of risk off, you know, it liquidity
• 51:08
  didn't flow as much as we thought in, in the calendar year
• 51:12
  2025. And you know, the the stock
• 51:17
  market held together just because it, it does that it's,
• 51:22
  you know, it's kind of engineered to hold together.
• 51:24
  And gold and silver took off because of the debasement trade
• 51:28
  and because, you know, most of the world still doesn't fully
• 51:31
  understand Bitcoin, but they do understand gold and silver in
• 51:35
  terms of being sound money. So you know, they're the first
• 51:38
  go to choice and and therefore they've they've taken off.
• 51:42
  I mean, what I would add, though, that I think is very
• 51:43
  important for your audience, for everybody to understand is that
• 51:46
  this is an incredibly positive development for Bitcoin because
• 51:51
  this happened once before. It's happened a couple times
• 51:53
  before. The most dramatic case of where
• 51:55
  it happened though, was in 2019-2020 when the original
• 52:00
  power Pivot took place and then COVID occurred.
• 52:03
  Gold went up from, I don't know, 1200 ish, 1300 area to 2000
• 52:09
  very, very quickly, which was quite a big move at the time.
• 52:12
  And Bitcoin set flat for another three to five, maybe six months.
• 52:16
  And then Bitcoin woke up and it went from 10 to 60.
• 52:19
  So it did a six bagger in, in literally in a matter of months.
• 52:23
  And that's kind of the way this asset trades, You know, it
• 52:26
  people didn't originally understand that all the
• 52:28
  liquidity that Powell was creating would flow into Bitcoin
• 52:31
  too. And so they kind of ignored
• 52:33
  Bitcoin. And, and to be fair, the, the,
• 52:35
  the liquidity is just getting started.
• 52:37
  I mean, the Fed pivoted in Q4. They didn't call it that, but
• 52:41
  they, it is what it is. They call it reserve management,
• 52:43
  but it's really just QE and printing money.
• 52:46
  They went from letting their balance sheet run off to
• 52:48
  expanding their balance sheet, you know, 40 billion a month.
• 52:51
  And that's just the beginning. And as Lynn says, it's, you
• 52:55
  know, she calls it the gradual print, which which I accept.
• 52:59
  I mean, 40 billion a month is only 480 on a balance sheet of
• 53:02
  6.5 trillion. That's still modest, but I think
• 53:06
  the gradual print is going to morph into the big print.
• 53:08
  I think the reason that's going to occur is that we're back at
• 53:11
  the point at which money is really tight and there's all
• 53:13
  kinds of signs of that. You know, the Fed didn't want to
• 53:17
  cut rates in the fourth quarter. the Fed didn't want to do what
• 53:20
  it did. They've tried to rebrand it.
• 53:22
  You know, they made it seem like, oh, it's no big deal.
• 53:24
  This is just reserve management. It's not really printing money,
• 53:27
  but it's printing money. And so, you know, you can smell
• 53:30
  the big print coming. It's highly likely it'll come
• 53:34
  this year. And like when it comes, bitcoins
• 53:37
  going to scream. I mean, we're going to double or
• 53:39
  triple probably very quickly. So it's just the nature of the
• 53:43
  beast. I mean, it's, it's interesting
• 53:44
  to me psychologically that everyone in Bitcoin land now
• 53:48
  feels the way that the gold people felt in 2023 when gold
• 53:51
  was flat on its ass after, you know, what Bitcoin was too.
• 53:54
  But after Powell did his whole tightening act, it really
• 53:57
  hammered gold and more importantly, it hammered the
• 53:59
  gold miners. And so we were all walking
• 54:01
  around pretty, pretty beat up wondering if it's ever going to
• 54:05
  work. And of course, just give it a
• 54:06
  little bit of time and it's worked in spades.
• 54:08
  I mean, gold mining of the Seas, my fund, etcetera is up 150%
• 54:12
  plus in one year. And so I think with, you know,
• 54:16
  that's really what Bitcoin has had to look forward to.
• 54:18
  And you know, everybody's kind of getting tested, You know, do
• 54:20
  you truly have a long time preference or not?
• 54:23
  I mean, I, I get it, if you bought a year ago or two years
• 54:25
  ago or whatever, you know, even if you bought it at the top at
• 54:28
  1:24, you know, you're down to 90.
• 54:30
  That's, that's uncomfortable. But those of us who've been
• 54:33
  around it for a long, long time know that, you know, it can lose
• 54:35
  70% of its value and it will come back.
• 54:37
  So it's going to come back and I expect it'll come back with a
• 54:42
  vengeance this year. By the way, it also makes micro
• 54:46
  strategy just an unbelievably compelling buy.
• 54:49
  And I find it hilarious that everybody's, you know, shitting
• 54:52
  on sailor and hating sailor. And, you know, all the people
• 54:55
  who got sucked into these, you know, Bitcoin treasury companies
• 54:58
  and lost a lot of money are very angry at the, at the narrative
• 55:02
  that some of the high profile influencers used, you know,
• 55:04
  this, this Bitcoin per share metric that they promoted as a
• 55:08
  kind of a professional motion machine, which it wasn't.
• 55:12
  And so there's a lot of, there's a lot of bitterness.
• 55:13
  And, you know, we just got to bring out all the weekends and
• 55:17
  then we'll go up to a new level. And like that new level will be
• 55:20
  somewhere between 180 and 300, something like that.
• 55:23
  And I think that'll probably be achieved, you know, this this
• 55:26
  year, early next year. I mean, but to be fair, I was
• 55:29
  wrong about this year. I thought Bitcoin, I thought
• 55:31
  gold this year would go to 4 or 5000.
• 55:33
  So that we got that right. I thought silver would go to 50.
• 55:36
  It overshot that. And I thought Bitcoin could go
• 55:39
  to 140 and, and actually made it to 123, but not for very long.
• 55:44
  And then it backed and filled around 91.
• 55:46
  So or 8090, you know, so we're, we're it's going to happen.
• 55:50
  And it's just, I mean, people have got to, they've got to dial
• 55:53
  out and take a longer term perspective.
• 55:55
  If if you're not happy with Bitcoin, you know, you're not
• 55:57
  looking at the longer term picture.
• 55:59
  That's kind of the way I see it. So, Larry, Bitcoin is not
• 56:02
  boring. The best days of Bitcoin are
• 56:04
  still in front of it. Absolutely.
• 56:07
  Wall Street has not been able to capture Bitcoin.
• 56:11
  Well, there's a little bit of paper, There's more paper
• 56:13
  Bitcoin today than there used to be.
• 56:14
  I mean, if you look at Checkmatee's data and he's the
• 56:17
  probably the best guy for following this.
• 56:19
  I mean, the, the Bitcoin futures market has grown.
• 56:21
  People are issuing paper Bitcoin.
• 56:22
  I mean, they're going to get their faces ripped off when it
• 56:25
  does what it does. You know, they've been issuing
• 56:28
  paper gold and silver for decades.
• 56:30
  And that's partly why once silver broke through 50, that's
• 56:33
  why it's been so aggressively up because people are asking for
• 56:36
  the, you know, the metal to be delivered and the paper is the
• 56:39
  paper outweighs the metal and the amount of metal.
• 56:41
  And everyone's realizing that. So we've got a massive short
• 56:44
  squeeze going on. But yeah, no, Bitcoin.
• 56:47
  Bitcoin has not been entirely captured, but it's it's becoming
• 56:50
  a wider held, more institutionally known asset.
• 56:53
  And there is a large futures market that trades around
• 56:57
  Bitcoin. And I'm sure there's some people
• 56:58
  who are short Bitcoin. I mean, that will be, you know,
• 57:02
  in a world of pain when this whole thing reverses on them.
• 57:05
  So I I think we have that to look forward to, but it just
• 57:09
  hasn't happened yet. Absolutely.
• 57:11
  I, I'm, I, I, I, I, I stand with you, Larry, I, I agree with you.
• 57:16
  But I will say that 2025 was quite surprising and it was like
• 57:21
  upside down world, you know, it was it, it was, it was like it
• 57:26
  was Peter Schiff's year. Is that safe to say?
• 57:29
  Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know, I mean it.
• 57:31
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:32
  He's, he's trying to do a victory dance of, you know,
• 57:36
  having one year out of, you know, 20 where he's been, 16
• 57:38
  where he's been right. But I, you know, it's this
• 57:42
  doesn't, I mean, so the the biggest thing I think people
• 57:45
  have to understand when they're making investments is they have
• 57:47
  to ask themselves what time frame am I trying to do this
• 57:49
  over? Am I trying to do this for three
• 57:51
  months, six months, a year, five years, 10 years?
• 57:54
  I mean, I, I invest for five and 10 years.
• 57:56
  And so, you know, at recognizing that, especially with this
• 58:00
  asset, there's a lot of volatility and it can turn
• 58:02
  against you, You know, if you go look at the draw downs, I mean,
• 58:05
  this is in my book, it shows historically there have been
• 58:07
  some very major draw downs, but it always comes back to make
• 58:09
  higher highs and it will again. I'm, I'm, I'm very, very highly
• 58:14
  confident of that unless something changes and I, I don't
• 58:17
  imagine, I can't really see anything changing.
• 58:19
  So, you know, and at that point in time, everyone will think
• 58:22
  it's going to a million overnight and it'll probably go
• 58:24
  to 2 or 300 and then it might correct back from there.
• 58:27
  I mean, this is, you know, it reminds me actually of of Amazon
• 58:31
  and the adoption of Amazon Bill Miller hold it held a big
• 58:34
  position in it from the beginning and it was down 90% in
• 58:37
  2008. It was down 70% a couple other
• 58:40
  times it's down 50% many times it's down 30%, you know, a dozen
• 58:44
  times. And yet it always came back to
• 58:47
  make new highs because just like Bitcoin, it was a, it was a
• 58:49
  network that was growing in value based on the number of
• 58:52
  users as a leading online reseller of things.
• 58:54
  And, you know, bitcoin's the leading, you know, online
• 58:58
  version of money and most secure version of money in the world.
• 59:01
  And therefore, you know, it's, it's always going to come back.
• 59:03
  So I, I, I'm pretty calm about it all.
• 59:06
  But you know, I, that's because I've been at it for a long, long
• 59:09
  time. I'm sure you guys are too.
• 59:10
  But you know, we have to, we have to explain to the people
• 59:13
  who are newer in it and maybe more impatient.
• 59:16
  And I always, you know, I've always said to Bitcoiners, when
• 59:18
  we get people into this, we've got to explain to them what
• 59:21
  they're buying. We've got to tell them about the
• 59:23
  downside risk so that when it happens, their inclination is I
• 59:26
  want to buy more, not did I make a mistake?
• 59:28
  Should I sell it? And you know, it's, I mean, I've
• 59:31
  had a lot of bitcoins reach out to me and say, did I make a
• 59:34
  mistake? Should I sell it?
• 59:35
  And I'm like, no, you should be buying more right now and you
• 59:38
  should be buying MicroStrategy right now.
• 59:42
  You know, the power law model is a model that I use.
• 59:44
  I think it's a pretty accurate model and we'll I think it'll
• 59:47
  work until it breaks. It'll break when Fiat currency
• 59:50
  fails, but until that happens, it's a good model.
• 59:53
  And the power law has the has the coins at about 120,000 as
• 59:57
  fair value kind of midpoint. And so you know at 80 or 90
• 1:00:01
  we're below fair value. And as we all know, at times it
• 1:00:05
  trades at two or three times fair value.
• 1:00:06
  So it could easily go to a couple 100 and it probably will
• 1:00:10
  and then you know, off that 250 peak, it'll correct back to 120
• 1:00:13
  or something 130. I don't know.
• 1:00:15
  I mean, it's. It's, it's just, you know, you
• 1:00:17
  got to, you got to think about it longer term.
• 1:00:20
  And if you do that, you know, you can kind of relax and just
• 1:00:25
  recognize that you know, it, it's going to work for the next
• 1:00:28
  20 years. So that's kind of how I see it.
• 1:00:31
  Larry, before we start talking about Bitcoin Day, what is your
• 1:00:38
  thoughts on the four year cycle? Because a lot of people, I think
• 1:00:42
  a lot of Bitcoiners are expecting, hey, we peaked in
• 1:00:46
  October. It's been following this four
• 1:00:48
  year cycle. And you know, if history repeats
• 1:00:52
  itself, 2026 is destined to be kind of this bear market year.
• 1:00:58
  What what are your thoughts on that theory?
• 1:01:01
  Do you still think the four year cycle is intact?
• 1:01:03
  Was there ever a four year cycle?
• 1:01:05
  I think. There was a four year cycle,
• 1:01:06
  certainly in the earlier days when the reward was much larger
• 1:01:10
  and the institutional demand wasn't present.
• 1:01:14
  And we're just dealing with kind of individuals and miners and,
• 1:01:17
  and you know, larger rewards. I, I think it's gone now.
• 1:01:21
  I think it will continue to be cyclical, but it'll be cyclical
• 1:01:24
  just based on fear and greed and leverage, you know, and that's
• 1:01:28
  what drives all asset markets. You know, they bitcoins, Bitcoin
• 1:01:32
  is dead. And you know, right now the
• 1:01:35
  sentiment is pretty shitty or, you know, bitcoins going to a
• 1:01:38
  million and I can't get enough and I got to chase it.
• 1:01:40
  I got to go buy it at 2:50. That's that's the sentiment part
• 1:01:44
  of it. But you know, when you're down
• 1:01:46
  to less than 1%, you know, I think you're .9 or point into .9
• 1:01:50
  new issuance per year and you've got the ETFs and institutions
• 1:01:54
  gobbling up much, much more than that.
• 1:01:57
  It's really not a supply demand story on the mining basis on
• 1:02:01
  that, you know that that originally I think created the
• 1:02:03
  four year cycle when you're issuing 50 of them every 10
• 1:02:05
  minutes or you know, 25 or 12 1/2, that's a that's a lot of
• 1:02:11
  supply. You know, maybe compared to a
• 1:02:13
  demand that wasn't growing as fast.
• 1:02:15
  Now you've got demand everywhere.
• 1:02:17
  You've got it in sovereigns, you've got it in ETFs, you've
• 1:02:19
  got it in individuals, you've got people who read my book, you
• 1:02:22
  know, just everybody and their brother now understands what it
• 1:02:25
  is. And, and by the way, we're still
• 1:02:27
  pretty early. It's not, I say everybody, my
• 1:02:29
  brother, everybody, my brother who's woken up to it.
• 1:02:31
  Once you wake up to it and study it, you know, you got to own it.
• 1:02:34
  But you know, that's probably, we're still probably less than
• 1:02:37
  5% total penetration of meaningful ownership.
• 1:02:41
  And by the way, I mean, the same is true of gold and silver.
• 1:02:43
  I mean, it's like gold and silver like 1 to 2% of
• 1:02:46
  institutional assets out there. I mean, you know, as recently as
• 1:02:49
  the beginning of this year, like 70% of the country didn't own
• 1:02:53
  any gold or silver, any like 0, you know, and those who did, I
• 1:02:57
  mean, the people who own more than 10% of their portfolio in
• 1:02:59
  gold and silver, that was probably measured in the single
• 1:03:02
  digits. So if, if you did own it, maybe
• 1:03:04
  it was 1 or 2%. And, you know, and then this
• 1:03:06
  year Morgan Stanley comes out and they says, you know, the
• 1:03:08
  6040 stocks, bonds model that's broken.
• 1:03:11
  It should be 6460% stocks, 20% bonds, 20% gold.
• 1:03:16
  Well, that was an earthquake. And that's what led to the
• 1:03:19
  enormous growth in the gold ETF this year.
• 1:03:22
  And you know, Morgan Stanley manages trillions and trillions
• 1:03:24
  of dollars. And I've talked to Morgan
• 1:03:26
  Stanley brokers and what they say is, yeah, yeah, we heard all
• 1:03:28
  that. And yeah, we're, you know, we
• 1:03:30
  got our clients saying, hey, it's going up a lot.
• 1:03:32
  Why don't I own any? And so they, they kind of hold
• 1:03:35
  their, you know, nose and say, all right, well, we'll buy you
• 1:03:37
  some. And they, they add a 1%
• 1:03:38
  allocation or 5% allocation so that at the end of the year they
• 1:03:42
  can say, hey, see, you own some gold.
• 1:03:43
  And I said, OK, you know, when, when really they should own a
• 1:03:46
  30% allocation, you know what I mean?
• 1:03:49
  But the, the, you know, it's still, we're still very, very
• 1:03:52
  early in the widespread acceptance of this debasement
• 1:03:55
  trade. I don't, I don't think we're
• 1:03:57
  early in the widespread knowledge that people are
• 1:03:59
  getting screwed by inflation. I think that's actually, you
• 1:04:02
  know, that that knowledge is quite widespread.
• 1:04:05
  I think the issue is people have not figured out, many people
• 1:04:09
  have not figured out how to deal with it, but they will as they
• 1:04:12
  see, as they see the neighbors who own gold, silver and Bitcoin
• 1:04:15
  do well relative to them, they're going to think to
• 1:04:18
  themselves, huh, Why, why? Why don't I own some of that
• 1:04:21
  too? That's that's coming, right?
• 1:04:24
  Absolutely. Well, Larry and John, we have
• 1:04:28
  the Bitcoin Day coming up in 10 days from now in Naples, FL at
• 1:04:35
  The Four Seasons. Looking forward to it.
• 1:04:37
  I'm gonna be there. John's gonna be there.
• 1:04:39
  Obviously, Larry's gonna be there.
• 1:04:41
  We also have some other fantastic speakers including
• 1:04:45
  Natalie Burnell, CJ and many, many more.
• 1:04:50
  It's going to be awesome. Gary Cardone, Bob Barnett,
• 1:04:53
  Michelle Weekley, Luke Dash, Junior, it's going to be
• 1:04:57
  awesome. You guys don't want to miss it.
• 1:04:58
  It's going to be at The Four Seasons in Naples, FL January
• 1:05:02
  17th. John, if you want to talk a
• 1:05:05
  little bit about about it, floor is yours.
• 1:05:08
  Yeah, so we're super excited about the new venue.
• 1:05:12
  You know, it's, it's a huge upgrade from what we've done in
• 1:05:16
  the last few years. And The Four Seasons is, you
• 1:05:21
  know, right on the beach. It's, it's called the Naples
• 1:05:23
  Beach Club and it's the former Naples Beach and Golf Club.
• 1:05:27
  And it is a they, they completely demolished the old
• 1:05:31
  building and completely rebuilt everything.
• 1:05:34
  And it is an absolutely gorgeous venue.
• 1:05:39
  We're going to have, you know, all day.
• 1:05:42
  We'll be up in the Conference Center and doing all of those
• 1:05:47
  great panels and with the hearing all the great content
• 1:05:50
  from the speakers. There's going to be a lunch
• 1:05:52
  included. So there's lots of outdoor
• 1:05:55
  space. January and Naples, FL is
• 1:05:57
  absolutely gorgeous. And then for the after the
• 1:06:02
  conference is over at the end of the day, we'll have a reception
• 1:06:06
  down on a lawn that has an ocean view.
• 1:06:09
  So we'll move everybody down. We'll have a few drinks on the
• 1:06:12
  beach and and then close out the night at the sunset bar right
• 1:06:17
  there at the at the venue as well.
• 1:06:19
  So if you want to spend the day on the beach hearing some of the
• 1:06:24
  highest signal Bitcoin content that you've ever heard, come to
• 1:06:27
  Naples on January 17th. Absolutely.
• 1:06:31
  I could attest to that. I've been going to the ones the
• 1:06:33
  last couple of years. They've been fantastic.
• 1:06:36
  A lot of signal. Big step up, John.
• 1:06:39
  Four Seasons. Holy cow.
• 1:06:43
  We've. Arrived.
• 1:06:45
  Yes. Bitcoin is making moves.
• 1:06:48
  Bitcoin Day is making moves. So Larry, I know you're going to
• 1:06:50
  be there as well. John, do you want to give a
• 1:06:53
  little bit of a sneak peek on the panels that Larry's going to
• 1:06:56
  be on? Sure, Larry is going to be on
• 1:07:02
  the the first panel of the day. He's going to open the day and
• 1:07:09
  he's going to close the day for us.
• 1:07:13
  The first panel of the day, Bitcoin in the real world,
• 1:07:15
  Macromedia and adoption. So the the moderator of that
• 1:07:21
  panel is Bobby Iaccino, who does the Futures Edge podcast and he
• 1:07:27
  writes a a weekly newsletter. And then Natalie's going to be
• 1:07:31
  on the panel with Larry and Cedric too.
• 1:07:33
  So that'll be a really great start of the day macro panel.
• 1:07:37
  And then Larry's going to close this out at the end of the day
• 1:07:41
  with again, with Natalie and Gary Cardone and CJ, we're going
• 1:07:47
  to do an audience Q&A. So we're going to just open up
• 1:07:50
  the floor for the audience and give them 30 minutes to ask
• 1:07:54
  questions to these 4 great speakers.
• 1:07:58
  The other thing I would say John and and Nico is that we're we're
• 1:08:02
  going to be Natalie and I at both published books.
• 1:08:06
  Mine is, will be actually almost a year old and it came out in
• 1:08:09
  early February. And Natalie's is more recent.
• 1:08:12
  And yeah, thank you. Thanks for the plug.
• 1:08:14
  And I will have hard copies. I think Natalie will have copies
• 1:08:17
  of hers. And anyone who wants to buy a
• 1:08:20
  book and get it signed and inscribed to yourself, your
• 1:08:23
  friends or whatever, we'll be doing that throughout the day.
• 1:08:26
  So just want to make people aware of.
• 1:08:28
  That I keep Brett. Go ahead, John.
• 1:08:30
  Well. I was just going to say we're
• 1:08:31
  we're thrilled to provide a a space for Larry and Natalie to
• 1:08:35
  do that and share their books with everyone and have their
• 1:08:38
  fans get the the book signed. I got to say with Larry's book,
• 1:08:44
  I what's 1 of the things that me and Opti keep meaning, right?
• 1:08:48
  When we talk about the inevitable print that's coming,
• 1:08:52
  we keep referencing the Lynn Alden meme.
• 1:08:55
  Nothing stops this train. And of course, the Larry Leppard
• 1:08:59
  meme, the big print. So yeah, I, I think I, I do
• 1:09:03
  agree with Lynn. I do agree with Larry.
• 1:09:06
  It's inevitable. They tried to get Elon in there
• 1:09:09
  to like, cut the spending and he was literally kicked out of
• 1:09:12
  town, right? Well.
• 1:09:14
  Not only that, but what happened there is Elon's a smart guy and
• 1:09:18
  you know, he was there for 2-3 months and he realized, he said
• 1:09:20
  to himself, you know, this is FUBAR.
• 1:09:23
  I can't do it. I'm out of here, right?
• 1:09:27
  I mean, I, I don't think they kicked him out as much as he
• 1:09:29
  just gave up. And I who can blame him?
• 1:09:31
  I mean, the system really is incredible.
• 1:09:33
  I mean, I, you know, it's just one new outrage after another.
• 1:09:37
  I'm in this Nick Shirley video just had me seeing red.
• 1:09:40
  I just, I mean, I hope that's, I hope that's like, you know, the
• 1:09:43
  shots fired in Lexington, you know, on April 19th.
• 1:09:47
  I mean, it's just unbelievable how bad our government systems
• 1:09:51
  are and we just got to fix this stuff, you know?
• 1:09:54
  Yeah, And what's crazy, too, about the Nick Shirley video as
• 1:09:58
  well, is the governor of Minnesota, he was running for
• 1:10:01
  vice president. Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Oh, that's the wild part. Like that guy was very close to
• 1:10:07
  being vice president. And there is this like systemic
• 1:10:11
  fraud that was happening, you know, and the, the, and again,
• 1:10:16
  the millions of millions and millions of, of, of wasted
• 1:10:20
  taxpayer dollars. This is, this is what bitcoiners
• 1:10:23
  talk about. This is, you know, This is why
• 1:10:25
  we truly believe in the separation of money and state.
• 1:10:28
  We believe in that no one should have the ability to create money
• 1:10:30
  for free that someone else has to work for.
• 1:10:32
  It misaligns incentives and it creates situations like that.
• 1:10:36
  And it, it literally, it took a 23 year old YouTube to do the
• 1:10:42
  job that legacy media should be doing that has budgets of, you
• 1:10:48
  know, 10s of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars a year.
• 1:10:51
  And it literally took a kid with a GoPro and a microphone to
• 1:10:55
  uncover this fraud. And not only that, to get the
• 1:10:59
  government to actually do something about it, you know,
• 1:11:02
  and I know that, you know, the official announcement by Pam
• 1:11:05
  Bondi and Cash Patel. But it, it, it sounded like
• 1:11:09
  reactionary. It didn't.
• 1:11:11
  It didn't really sound like they actually gave an F on what was
• 1:11:15
  happening, nor were they aware of what was happening.
• 1:11:18
  So it, it, it was just like the amount of public pressure that
• 1:11:22
  was mounted, it just made the government look really, really
• 1:11:26
  bad. And it also didn't help the fact
• 1:11:29
  that a lot of these legacy media outlets, instead of again,
• 1:11:32
  reporting on the news, there's this very famous video of CNN
• 1:11:37
  basically trying to discredit Nick Shirley.
• 1:11:41
  And it was literally a video of the CNN reporter in in her hotel
• 1:11:45
  room calling the daycare centers.
• 1:11:49
  And they're like, OK, we can't report.
• 1:11:51
  We can't confirm that this is true because six out of the
• 1:11:54
  seven daycare centers didn't pick up the phone.
• 1:11:57
  And then the one that did pick up the phone said that they
• 1:12:00
  weren't committing fraud. Like it is like it.
• 1:12:03
  Yeah, You can't make it up. I mean, it's it's just, it's
• 1:12:07
  just horrific. I mean it.
• 1:12:09
  Yeah. But it's the beauty of of, you
• 1:12:12
  know, the the decentralization that technology has given us.
• 1:12:15
  I mean that he could have a cheap camera and a cheap phone
• 1:12:19
  and he could put it out there. And I think this, I think this
• 1:12:21
  is like the all time leading viral video on, on on YouTube or
• 1:12:26
  Twitter. I mean, I think he's got 140
• 1:12:28
  million plus views and it's just, it's unbelievable.
• 1:12:32
  And I, I watched, I was just stunned.
• 1:12:34
  I just could not believe it. Absolutely.
• 1:12:38
  And and. Why hasn't the mainstream media
• 1:12:39
  picked up on it? You know what I mean?
• 1:12:41
  I mean, they've all tried to discredit him or they've ignored
• 1:12:43
  it. I mean, they just try to, you
• 1:12:44
  know, cubbyhole it and it's yeah, I look, I mean, this is
• 1:12:50
  this is 1/4 turning and we need to fix all this stuff and fixing
• 1:12:54
  the money is where we start. And, and that's part of the
• 1:12:58
  basis of your book, Larry, is, you know, basically like a lot,
• 1:13:02
  a lot of these things that you're seeing in societies are
• 1:13:05
  symptoms of the money being broken.
• 1:13:07
  Absolutely why we're focusing on fixing the money, fix the world.
• 1:13:12
  That's not a hyperbolic statement that actually will fix
• 1:13:16
  a lot of these things that we're seeing going on in society.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah, the government, the government does what it does
• 1:13:22
  because it can get away with it and get away with it because it
• 1:13:24
  can print the money to do it. If you take the money away then
• 1:13:28
  a lot of problems arise for them as as should be the case so.
• 1:13:32
  Absolutely. Guys, if you want to see Larry
• 1:13:34
  Laparde in person, go to Bitcoin Day Naples again.
• 1:13:39
  It's coming up January 17th. Get your tickets now before the
• 1:13:43
  prices go up. John is throwing a hell of an
• 1:13:46
  event, the 4th annual Bitcoin Day Naples.
• 1:13:49
  Upgrading, going from a conference room to now The Four
• 1:13:52
  Seasons. I'll take it.
• 1:13:54
  That sounds fantastic. You're not going to want to miss
• 1:13:56
  it. January 7th, 20261017.
• 1:14:03
  Alright. Guys, I'm having.
• 1:14:05
  Person Two My wife is having a baby this week.
• 1:14:07
  I have not slept, so I'm doing the best that I can.
• 1:14:11
  January 17, 2026 Ten days away. You're not going to want to miss
• 1:14:16
  it. Four Seasons Bitcoin Day, Naples
• 1:14:19
  Opti. I'm trying to convince Opti to
• 1:14:21
  come. I'm going to put them on the
• 1:14:23
  spot after you're coming, right? I guess yes.
• 1:14:29
  And don't forget about our carnivore dinner with Doctor
• 1:14:32
  Sean Baker on Friday night. It's going to be excellent.
• 1:14:34
  We got a local rancher providing the the meat and and a Native
• 1:14:41
  American chef doing the cooking. So that's going to be an awesome
• 1:14:45
  event as well. You can get tickets on There you
• 1:14:47
  go. Thank you.
• 1:14:47
  You can get the tickets on the website for that as well.
• 1:14:51
  That sounds delicious and fantastic at the same time.
• 1:14:54
  I will be at the dinner as well. It's going to be great.
• 1:14:56
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• 1:14:59
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• 1:15:03
  Again, I'm going to be there. Opti's going to be there.
• 1:15:05
  Larry Leopard's going to be there, Natalie is going to be
• 1:15:07
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• 1:15:09
  there, and many, many more hardcore bitcoiners.
• 1:15:12
  You're not going to want to miss it.
• 1:15:13
  Larry and John, thank you guys so much for joining us on the
• 1:15:16
  show today. Really, really appreciate it.
• 1:15:18
  Thank you. Nice to see you.
• 1:15:20
  Nice to see you, John. We'll see you soon.
• 1:15:22
  Yep, see you soon. Thank you guys.
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  you earn it. Rumble wallet.
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  The GOAT wallet. Get Rumble Wallet to tip your
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  favorite creators. Did we just see a talking goat?
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  The goat wallet, the goat wallet.
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  I'll take it, I'll take it. But it is it is you know, to
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  give to give our boys that Rumble the credit where credit
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  is due. It is a non custodial wallet,
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  ladies and gentlemen, so you know, you do have a opportunity
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  to write down your seed phrase and your seed.
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  Oh, we're dumping again. Write down your seed words and
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  your seed phrase. They don't like the rumble.
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  And again, as a creator, this is fantastic.
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  This is awesome. I, I, I love this, right?
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  It's a free speech platform. There's a lot of things, Megan,
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  there's a lot of things I have to show her that there.
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  There's a lot of things that Opti and I have to, we have to
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  be very conscious on what we say because of the platforms that
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  we're on, right? If you guys happen to have
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  caught the two or three or 4 Simply Bitcoin episodes that
• 1:22:34
  were Rumble exclusive, we went bananas, right?
• 1:22:38
  Like we just said, whatever the F we wanted and then we're going
• 1:22:41
  to be doing them once a month with our boy Bitcoin Ben and
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  that is Rumble exclusive. We literally cut the feed on
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  certain platforms and we only streaming on Rumble and Bitcoin.
• 1:22:55
  Ben could say whatever he actually wants to say, right?
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  Which is great. This is the whole point of
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  freedom of speech. Listen, guys, freedom of speech
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  is not meant to be this pretty thing.
• 1:23:07
  It's meant to be messy. People are meant to have
• 1:23:09
  disagreements. Like that's the whole basis of
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  this country. That's how it's supposed to
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  function. The idea that, you know, again,
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  if you're not calling for violence or anything, if you
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  just have an opinion on a certain subject, the, the fact
• 1:23:23
  that you can't say that out loud, I think has had terrible
• 1:23:29
  implications for society. I think it's regressed society
• 1:23:32
  in many different ways. So the fact that you're able to
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  say to speak your mind on a video platform that has volume,
• 1:23:40
  that has people on the platform, I think is a is a net benefit
• 1:23:46
  for humanity. It's a good for humanity.
• 1:23:48
  I really believe that in the bottom of my heart.
• 1:23:51
  And the fact that they've teamed up with Tether, which again is
• 1:23:55
  it's, it's a company run by Bitcoiners that and they've
• 1:24:01
  they've released a non custodial Bitcoin wallet is fantastic.
• 1:24:08
  It it's, it's really good. I hope it gets adopted.
• 1:24:11
  This is like Trojan horsing the normies.
• 1:24:15
  And let's see where it goes. Let's see where this takes us,
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  right. That's how I feel about this.
• 1:24:24
  I actually like Nico and rumble. Yeah, I, I, I have PTSD guys, at
• 1:24:29
  this point, you know, I have to watch out with what I say and,
• 1:24:33
  and stuff like that, but it's just about survival.
• 1:24:36
  Like it's just what it comes down to.
• 1:24:37
  So you know anyways guys, I just.
• 1:24:42
  Wait, wait, I do want to add one last thing.
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  I, I think, you know, we've been talking about as bitcoiners for
• 1:24:49
  a long, long time. We've talked about, you know,
• 1:24:52
  the adoption of Bitcoin or like the iPhone moment of Bitcoin.
• 1:24:56
  And I'm not necessarily saying that this is the iPhone moment
• 1:24:59
  for Bitcoin per SE. But I say all that to
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  essentially say, you know, from the, from the numbers that I've
• 1:25:05
  seen, there's about 50 to 70 million people that use rumble
• 1:25:11
  now. They're obviously being kind of,
• 1:25:15
  I don't know, I, I, I'm slow rolled into Bitcoin maybe.
• 1:25:18
  So, you know, the, the real headline here could be basically
• 1:25:21
  50 to 70 million people are now able to be onboarded on Bitcoin.
• 1:25:25
  And that tweet by Pavlovsky was, was kind of a kind of a Chad
• 1:25:30
  take. He's like, we're we're coming
• 1:25:32
  after Coinbase and Venmo here, non custodial Bitcoin wallet.
• 1:25:35
  You can buy Bitcoin in it. You can send Bitcoin in it and
• 1:25:39
  I, I think this is one of those moments that is just like
• 1:25:42
  perfectly aligned with the Bitcoin ethos, you know, a
• 1:25:45
  freedom of speech platform integrating freedom money.
• 1:25:49
  It's just like this is what you love to see.
• 1:25:52
  You know, maybe for some people it's not perfect or you maybe
• 1:25:55
  they want to see it on like YouTube or something.
• 1:25:57
  But like shouts out to the Rumble team for basically
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  unleashing Bitcoin on their platform, embracing Bitcoin,
• 1:26:05
  embracing the ethos. And we'll see how many of those
• 1:26:08
  50 to 70 million people are on boarded onto Bitcoin now because
• 1:26:13
  they will want to essentially tip their favorite, you know,
• 1:26:16
  creators on Rumble. And like Nico's saying, from our
• 1:26:19
  perspective, shit, if we could get a bigger platform on Rumble
• 1:26:24
  than on YouTube, hey, that would be amazing.
• 1:26:27
  Our Rumble channel is blowing the F up right like it's growing
• 1:26:31
  super fast. Shout out to all you guys
• 1:26:33
  subscribing to us. Go to rumble.com/simply Bitcoin.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah. Everyone on YouTube watches on
• 1:26:38
  Rumble. We're on Rumble and.
• 1:26:40
  It's growing fast, so we're huge fans of the platform.
• 1:26:43
  Again, we support free speech here.
• 1:26:45
  It's simply Bitcoin. And I just want to check out
• 1:26:48
  some of these comments before I wrapped it up.
• 1:26:50
  Also, shout out to Noster. We've got in 1409 sats today.
• 1:26:56
  Shout out to all the people that zapped us on Noster.
• 1:26:58
  We got 7 people watching live, so again, free speech platforms,
• 1:27:03
  free speech protocols, and of course the O, GS, YouTube and X
• 1:27:09
  even though X has been pretty good with free speech as well.
• 1:27:12
  Yeah, X has been. Pretty chill.
• 1:27:13
  Anyways, I do wanna I do wanna read some of these deprecating
• 1:27:18
  Nikko posts. Let's start with this one.
• 1:27:21
  I actually buck 52,000 says I actually like Nikko.
• 1:27:25
  On Rumble Family Diaz says Nico's one red candle away from
• 1:27:30
  crying on air. Just like Let's go Chef Tommy.
• 1:27:36
  BTC says money talks Nico. I don't know what that means,
• 1:27:39
  but I'll take it Down Under Blue says Nico's on fire On Rumble
• 1:27:45
  and Family. Diaz says Rumble, Nico Peak.
• 1:27:49
  Rumble, Nico's Peak. I don't know.
• 1:27:52
  I I think Nico. No peak was like 2 years ago I
• 1:27:55
  think. Nikko.
• 1:27:55
  Peaked in 2020. I was dropping some fire back.
• 1:28:00
  I don't even know if my brain could do that anymore, Chef
• 1:28:03
  Tommy says. I do really enjoy Nikko on
• 1:28:06
  Rumble and anyways. OK, OK, so if you like Nikko on
• 1:28:11
  Rumble, then we need everyone that watches us on YouTube to
• 1:28:17
  port over to Rumble so that maybe, you know, the incentives
• 1:28:22
  start aligning and we just go rumble only forever.
• 1:28:26
  Exactly. So guys, we have to go where the
• 1:28:28
  audience is at. We have to go where the volume
• 1:28:30
  is. You know, we're a media company
• 1:28:32
  at the end of the day, we survive off advertising revenue,
• 1:28:35
  we survive off views. So we we do our best, but we do
• 1:28:39
  have some some plans for 2026 that I think you guys are going
• 1:28:43
  to love and enjoy. We're going to be announcing
• 1:28:45
  those a little bit later anyways, guys, until then, guys,
• 1:28:48
  go to Bitcoin Day dot IO. Get your tickets.
• 1:28:51
  I'll see you guys in Naples, January 17th of 2026 at the four
• 1:28:57
  effing seasons, bro, that sounds fantastic.
• 1:28:59
  Sounds delicious, sounds very comfortable.
• 1:29:01
  I think I'm gonna get a room there for a night or something.
• 1:29:04
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