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Feud: Capote vs. The Swans Recap of Ep 3 · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Drama, Darling drama, Darling drama, Darling who is behind the mask?
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Joining me today to talk about feud the Swans, actually Capoti versus the Swans.
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It's Emily Dereesis. Oh it's me me. Yeah, I knew,
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I knew it was you. I'm sorry, I was you. Oh,
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Emily, if you're not watching this, if you're not tier two, well
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of course you're tier two because this is the only way to get this recording.
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Oh but if you're not watching it and you're listening to it. Emily
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came onto the show with a gold mask. Yes, a gorgeous gold mask,
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gorgeous California gold mask for the masquerade ball that Amy's hosting this evening.
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Oh god, I wish I don't have one masquerade mask. Shame on me,
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shame, shame of all the things I have, the millions of wigs.
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Yeah, you use your feather fan. Oh right, I should.
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It's okay, It's okay. There's other times other Capoti Swans masquerade. That
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was it, That was it? That was the one. Oh god,
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it's so great. This is such a fun bonus up. And by the
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way, before we get into it, I can't not acknowledge the vintage wardrobe
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pieces that Emily is bringing to the tables for these episodes today, tell me
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what you're wearing. I think this was just a department store, generic department
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store piece from I think maybe nineteen sixty eight. Now, I of course
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have it unbuttoned several buttons. Babe would never no, but but it can
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go all the way at the time. So cute, show the people,
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show the darlings how it can. Okay, you don't have to button it
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up, that's all. Oh yeah, it's like a real like it's very
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Yeah, it's very conservative. If you'd like, if you're like, please,
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or if you don't like, and then you can do one of these.
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It's a little seventies. It's that kind. I thought it wide.
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Yeah, it's so wid joy. Yeah, yes, it's giving wide birth.
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It's giving it's giving seventies. Right, wait, what is it sixties?
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It's I was told it was late sixties. Sixties. That makes sense,
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Yeah, but it is. You could have worn this straight into nineteen
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seventy five and been just fine. Yeah, I agree, I agree,
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but it does because it's got the more conservative shoulders and and pattern, it
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does seem to skew closer to the later sixties. Yes, yes, ma'am.
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It does. Wow, so great And last week you had a vintage
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piece on as well. I've got a lot of them. I probably wear
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a vintage piece probably every other day. Wow. But that's very cool and
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very cheap. Also, I will add also great for the environment. Yes,
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you know, I mean I love fast fashion too, so don't get
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me wrong. Well you balance it out, you know, yeah, you
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balance it out. I was starting to watch, I mean, I got
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like halfway through it, but Darling Russ sent me a YouTube video of a
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woman, a very lovely British woman who's covering like the in depth stories of
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each of the Swans, well the ones that are featured on Capoti versus the
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Swans, talking about like you know, and I've only gotten through Babes so
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far, but it's like, we know, where was she born? Where
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you know, where was she raised? Where did she go to school?
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This that and the other thing? How did this? So I'm getting a
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little more detail about her at least at this point, and I will continue
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to do that. Didn't know that her marriage to Bill Pelley Paley was their
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second marriage, both of them. Did you know that you knew that because
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you've been reading books. Yeah, and not I mean like they Yeah,
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Bill Paley was running around on her like the entire time. But yeah,
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and also did you read in that book that like when he was married,
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he put Babe up in an apartment in New York. Yeah, and then
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he got divorced and then they got married. It's like she was the other
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woman exactly. Most of these scals were the other women at some point and
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there while we're this current sixties seventies timeline, they had been the other women
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and had now married there guys, and a lot of them carried on to
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affairs also well married, and Babe had a brief affair, but for the
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most part she was just like trying to keep up appearances. Wow, I
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didn't know that about everybody. Oh that's so interesting. Yeah, Like later
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in the episode, when Slim's really pissed about Pamela being invited, that was
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Pamela. She had been married to Winston Churchill's son. But then Pamela was
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like she was a party gal and partied like all the time with whoever.
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And I guess Slim had left her first husband and had now been married to
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Hawks and then she left Slim was falling around with everybody and left him for
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I'm trying to remember Heywood. So anyway, like they were all just so
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mixed in the mix together. And also like I think Pamela had hooked up
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with Bill Paley, Like it was just a crazy well how did she steal
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her husband? When Slim says she stile she did Slim was already like very
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involved with her current husband and like sleeping around and yes, wow, okay,
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yeah, that really sheds a different light on everybody at this point in
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my opinion, Like they're you know, they're acting like the scorn woman,
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when in fact they're also playing that same game and they they It just goes
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to show, you know, sometimes in that old saying, you get them,
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how you you lose them? How you get them? I mean if
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your partner is married, I mean, if you're having an affair with a
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married person, then you end up marrying them. I mean, chances are
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they're going to cheat on you too. So that is wild. It's wild.
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And it's also like they all it was such like a it was everyone
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married for money, so we saw the money drying up, or you met
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somebody with more money. It was just kind of like moving around, went
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from like money to money. Yeah, so, and I think maybe at
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the beginning of these relationships there was like a lot of lust, but for
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the most part that would wear off pretty much. And this was also like
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back when you would get married after knowing someone for two months, because yes,
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right, it's true, right, right exactly, and Bill Pally wanting
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her to be, you know, this kind of trophy wife in the sense
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that she just keeps up appearances in that way, looking perfect all the time,
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and so it worked for him as well. Yeah, yeah, of
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course. I also learned that Babe is the one who was the trendsetter for
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tying the scarf around the handle of your handbag. That's correct. Emily knows
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all of this. Well, that's in the book too. I love that.
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Oh that so such. She was warm one day and just tied it
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around, and everyone at the cafe noticed. It was somewhere overseas too,
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wow, or maybe it was or in California, I forget where it was,
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but it was not in New York. And then like mmmm, every
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like it got talked about in the magazines. Thing, Oh that is so
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cool. See I love that kind of thing, and her just working at
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Glamour magazine, you know, I mean just because you know, like you
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can get a job there with connections and with money and you're not going to
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get paid much there, but you they don't need to be right. It
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was just kind of like a a funny hobby. Yeah. Yeah, what's
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that called like a I can't think of the word, but you know where
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it's just for show, basically for the magazine, right, I see,
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like the magazine benefits more, yeah, or almost like yeah, almost like
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she's an ambassador of Vogue. Yeah, there you go, or Glamour.
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She worked at Glamour and then I think Vogue. But right, yeah,
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interesting, but yeah, they all have really cool backstories. I see that
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people think that they're really shallow, and I'm like, I mean they were
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keeping up appearances, and I'm sure in like a hundred years or less,
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people are going to look at influencers and be like these vapid idiots. It's
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like, well, that's wrong, you did that. That's yeah, They're
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not wrong, no, no, but I think there are a lot of
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them who aren't. And you, I agree, they're complex, tortured in
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many ways, unhappy, Sad and Lee Radsville. You know, set it
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straight to the camera that you know Copoti takes advantage of these women who are
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like sad and lonely, and then he acts like he wants to protect them,
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and then you know he's really not what you know how Lee Radsville,
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Radsville, I'm always gonna say it, said to the camera in that salon
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scene, Kenneth's Kenneth, Kenneth Betells. If you google it, if you
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look up Kenneth, I think I'm saying it right, that's salon. They
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nailed it. Wow. It was like a really huge salon back then in
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Manhattan. And I think I'm saying it right. I just always like people
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would talk about Kenneth's and I think it was Kenneth but tell or b A
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T e ll E or something. And they nailed it on the set design.
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Wow, see it. If you google it, I will google.
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I'll google the heck out of that. Yeah, I'm sorry, but what
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were you gonna say about the salon? Oh that she said to the interviewer,
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She was like, don't think there is such a thing as a best
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friend, because even your sister will steal your man. Oh, they hated
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each other. So did Jackie steal someone John? Yeah, oh no,
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no, onass okay, gotcha, gotcha? Because yeah, Lee was with
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him first and was really into him and also liked uh could provide a lot
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of security. But then it was like Onasa's kind of sidebarred, and it
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was clear that he was with Lee to kind of be like proximity to the
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Kennedys and to Jackie. And then then I guess after John, after JFK
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was killed, Lee invited Jackie on a cruise with them, like on his
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private yacht, and it was kind of all bets are off at that point,
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and he gave he would give Jackie like these insane gifts, and then
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Lee Raswell said, and then he gave me like a trinket bracelet I wouldn't
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even give to my daughter. Oh my god. Yeah, they had like
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a weird relationship because also then like she was around a lot though with her
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sister. They were like on this boat a lot, weren't they, I
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think together, And they were together. There were a lot of photographs,
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and I think they had times where they were in better company with each other,
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and then there would be like years where they weren't. When Jackie died,
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she didn't leave Lee one thing. Oh my god. Right, yeah,
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so she left Lee's daughter and I guess, well, her son had
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already died, but she left Jackie left her daughter five hundred thousand dollars.
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But also because Lee's daughter moved in with Jackie when she's a teenager. Oh
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my god. Yeah. And then when Lee died, she leave one cent
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to Caroline. And she had a trust of like fifty million dollars and she
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didn't leave any She left it all to her daughter. Ps. Not one
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thing to Carol Radziwell or you know Caroline Kennedy either. Yeah, so I
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don't know MENI not well had had Carol's husband already passed at that point.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, she just died in twenty nineteen, Lee Radzwell
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did. Oh my god. Yeah, wow, this is such My mind
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is like really blown because she and Carol Raswell were on great terms. So
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well, not great, but like she'd always had she had her couch that
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leopard yeah yeah. And and and Lee would always reference, even years after
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her son died, that this is my daughter in law. So you'd think
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that she'd leave her painting a vase, a something nothing. That is just
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the craziest. Yeah, so Lee, well, I mean so she has
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one daughter then, is that right? Right? Right? Do we know
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who is that? Is she like a socialite? No, No, she's
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very to herself. I I think I looked her up at some point,
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but it's not anybody that we would have known. Wow, oh my gosh,
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that's so interesting Topper Mortimer Tinsley's ex. Wait right, yeah, yeah,
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okay she is he is somehow related to Lee Radsville Radswell, Oh okay,
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it's just funny, that's what I think. Russ told me that.
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Yeah, oh interesting. You know, she was married several times ps not
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a princess that like went wild through the press. But the man that she
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married was not a prince anymore when she married him. So Lee, she
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still yeah, but if you look like she was Princess radzwell, like she
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just took the prince's title, but it wasn't real, so she just never
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forgot it. But that's how Carol got it. Carroll is princess Razwell No,
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noah, remember remember when Carol was saying that she yeah, yeah,
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yeah, that's all not real, I mean technically not real. She seems
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to believe it when she said that, yeah, at one point he was
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a prince, but then at that it would be like if Harry married somebody
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now it could be like, yeah, you were a prince, but you're
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not now and you don't have the accouterments and all. Okay, got it,
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got it? Oh wow, So he was a prince at one point
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through marriage, through a second marriage. Really uh no, he was.
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He really was that like it didn't function anymore or something like that. I
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don't really know the ins and outs, but that was something that was always
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like I get confused about it, like Princess Margaret, like you know,
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like when somebody become that and then yeah, it wasn't legit. Okay,
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interesting, Wow, okay, this is great. I love all these factorys
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that you've learned. I mean when I said Princess Margaret, I mean Princess
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Grace, not oh Princess Grace. Okay. Yeah. I was like,
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well, I don't even know who Princess Margaret is. So I was like,
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I'm out, that's Charles's sister. Oh okay, didn't wait, No,
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I mean I mean that's Elizabeth's sister from Queen Elizabeth. Yeah, I
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know who that is. It was her sister. Oh yeah, Margaret,
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Yes, of course I know who that is. Yes, of course,
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of course, I mean I am that far in the Crown. So yeah,
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there you go. Did you watch The Crown? Oh yeah, but
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I haven't watched this current season yet, but yeah, it's great. So
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this episode of Feud was like such an extraordinary, a different episode that than
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we've seen before because they did it in the whole documentary style, which really
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shifted everything, and it gave you the feel of I mean, I hate
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to say it, but real housewives. I wrote that in my notes.
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It felt like a Housewives episode. It really the confessionals, yes, the
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confessionals. Also the the storyline of pitting them against each other with like,
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well just the light storylines threaded through about who was going to be announced as
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the guest of honor, and they each thought, you know, they were
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going to be the one, and he's playing this game with them, so
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it just sort of ends up stirring. It's like, you know, you're
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a shitster. He's such a shitster, I mean, and he really was.
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I mean, that was what he exactly what he did. So Catherine
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Graham was like, no one saw that coming. And as prestigious as she
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was, she wasn't one of them. She's like, you know, even
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though she like owned the Washington Post. It was so like random, Well,
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they had been hanging out together, but Babe he met her through Babe
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too, Yeah, which is such a like backstabbing moment. Yeah, I
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guess it's just like that that whole masquerade thing. Well, actually, let
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me take a step back. That documentary is uh that did happen with those
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guys? And this is about the show? Is that documentary? You can
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watch it on YouTube. It's like twenty nine minutes and it's really just Truman
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talking to the camera and walking around and then talking to a Newsweek reporter that's
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asking him about in Cold Blood. And it's really boring. None of the
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Swans, I mean, it's not like this at all. So it's really
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cool that they imagined this housewives style, right, a found footage kind of
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thing, right. I mean, it was definitely far fetched that they would
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just happen to be in Babe's house when she was like, fine, go
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to a hotel. I don't care you're filming, you know. I mean
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there were definitely things that I was like, well, I mean, for
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drama's sake. It's totally fine. But there's no way that like, you
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know, they were getting this kind of great footage. I mean, can
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you imagine. Yeah, no, it's so it's very Ryan Murphy. Yeah,
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which I love. Oh yeah, love love love, love love love.
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When they're at lunch for the first time at come on, you know
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the place, what's the name of it, love Love Root bask Yeah,
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you got it, La Coats Busk and so I guess Lee and Babe were
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the ones behind doing this documentary, right because it sounded like they're the ones
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that said these contacts, Ah got it? Okay ye so and then to
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see cz be like, what an intrusion. It's impossible to act natural.
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This is terrible, And it was just so funny because it was like,
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well, this is the beginning of what a Housewives scene is a New York
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City luncheon. Now act natural, And then you see them kind of starting
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to act natural because they have no choice but to continue on the conversation,
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and that was just really really cool. And they all start thinking that they're
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gonna be, you know, the guest of honor and that this isn't to
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celebrate his in cold blood book and how popular it is and how successful and
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he's gonna have this huge party and you know it. It It just I
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love these interviews that where Babe is really the only one who didn't trash him
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right in their interview. Everyone else just ripped the just ripped them to shreds.
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So yeah, well, I guess did Ceaz though? Was she kind
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to him? Yeah? I feel like she didn't say I feel like they
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didn't have a real interview with her in these in this documentary. Yeah,
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because she was going through well the whole thing with the I R s oh,
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which was real, but I don't know if it happened then, but
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yeah, ooh that was tough again housewives, right exactly. Diego Revera Revera,
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Diego Rivera, her nude, her nude painting that was in that room.
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Her husband bought that some a bar had that in Mexico City. Whoa,
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And so when they were going to get married, he like bought that
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painting so that it hung over a bar in Mexico City. Unbelieva it and
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like they shoved it away. That's amazing. But Diego Rivera, like that's
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an unbelievable Yeah, I mean just wow. Wow, wow. And her
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story, you know, I mean we just got like a snippet of it.
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What else do you know about her? I mean, did she was
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she married before? Was this her second marriage or I forget if this is
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her second marriage, because she she was definitely engaged. And then she was
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like a party girl and and was kind of like super modern, I would
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say for that time. And so was Winston Guest. That was her husband,
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so was his mom, And she really like appreciated that about Ceaz,
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which I thought was cool. Like I think Winston Guests his mother wanted to
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like be the first She wanted to like fly a plane around the world or
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something, be the first woman that would do that, but her husband wouldn't
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allow it or something. She was a great pilot and all this. Wow.
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So so she did like Cez even though Cez was wild. And then
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when they found out there's that nude painting that the family was like, go
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buy that painting and get it into hiding. So I mean they were reserved
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too. But yeah, and also who would know that that was her in
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Mexico City in a bar, you know what I mean? Yeah, I
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mean it could have been hanging in that in the bar when the Real Housewives
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of Miami just went there. It could have been there and they just left
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it alone. Yeah, people would have there would have been rumors a nastiness,
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but you would have never known. It didn't look really anything like her.
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I know who would have right, Well, Babe does say a lot
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nice things about him in these confessionals and talking about how she's like, oh,
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it's just so nice to have someone who can love you so unconditionally and
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just be there for you, and oh and yeah, my husband does that
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too, Like it was just so funny. It's like not at all.
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And that she wanted to buy Truman a house on Long Island, Yeah,
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because Bill is buying up properties. Yeah, Bill was at the time.
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No big deal. I don't want to talk about that. Look, darlings,
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in life, if someone offers to buy you a house, take the
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house, take it. Take the house. Because he was in Upshit's Creek,
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as we saw, and if he only had a house, he may
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not have been in so much trouble. Yeah, he wouldn't have sold his
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soul to the devil when he sold those pages of answered prayers. Yeah,
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you know, because he was desperate. Yeah, this white ball this black
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and white ball some white ball, of course, I think it's a white
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party. Immediately, you know, that was a wild scene to see her
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have to look this woman in the eyes that is carrying her husband's child.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, I mean, that's just
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it. It's so funny to like, I mean, for when people get
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in on like the housewives for like not keeping up appearances. Thank god,
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you know what I mean, like for being classless of like, well,
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what's the alternative? We just pretend that that woman isn't pregnant with your husband's
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kid, like right, you know what I mean? Yeah, Like,
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I'm glad that we're in a place now where we don't feel like that's something
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that we need to live with. Yeah, we don't need to cover it
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up. Yeah. And he was like, oh, you know, I
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thought that happy Rock a failure was the lost one and she can't be Rock.
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He's like, droopy Dog. I figured it out. Yeah, I
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think is it droopy dog? Yes? Hey in the coatroom? Oh my
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god, that's really good. I can't do it. Did Calista Flockhart's impression
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help? Because hers was really good? I liked it. Oh did she
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do one? Yeah? And Oh, that's right, that's right. She
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kind of gave me. Yeah, she kind of gave him a lisp sort
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of Yeah, it's kind of like a Tom sand of all, but but
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also not at all. But like the voice pitch is perfect. You got
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it? Yeah, I darking here be rock one at the ball to when
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Joanna when Joey and curs like where's Johnny's like, oh, he's fingering the
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cup girl as he's wanted to. Yeah, get rid of this murderersh babe,
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we're asking the wrong question. One does after the wrong question sometimes I'm
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trueman. Sorry you did it and scene rare. Yeah, you got to
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like put like a hard boiled egg in your mouth when you do it sounds
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so gross. I know. Sorry, Sorry, darlings. You're on this
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journey with us, right, tripping in the ballroom, trip tripping in the
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ballroom. Apparently I can't do it. I cannot do it. That's how
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I get Now? How do you get that? Now? Now? Right?
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For un for the mash rainball? Oh, I guess if you're drying
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intent you can't killy your husband. I can't. Now I lost it.
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We're gonna get there, darns. We're gonna get there. This is what
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we're gonna work on this week. We told you we would come with one,
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and here it is. You know anyway, it's not a labor day
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barbecue. Oh true, what am I going to do? What am I
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ever going to do? Truthan, what am I going to do? What
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am I going to do? Oh? Rare shot the fuck up? Got
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every and your wrong? Stop crying, mama. Fiction can drink immuniment the
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dar Now it sounds like the professor, pour yourself fring finger I'll be there
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the third. That's that's his urgent voice. Yeah, trying to shout three
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fingers. Shamppy here in a gimp slams the phone down. Rection to me,
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pretender and mat to me, is the time of your own movie.
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You're the hero, not rinsting. You're ch You aren't gonna all wing up
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on top. Stop crawling. Stop coordinating, cordonating, coorginating. Stop coordinating.
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It's coordinating. It's almost like except corky. Like if a corky could
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talk, this is what a corky would sound like. Well, he's built
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like one. Yeah he does. He looks just like a corky. Sounds
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like a corky. And he's a woman's best friend. Yeah done, and
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he'll bite you watch out. Yeah he he sits with it with like Queen
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Elizabeth. Queen Elizabeth loved to Corky. She would have loved Truman. Mm
31:37
queen carrying, He'll never harver want to lay when you want gone because you're
31:49
so powerful from the Crown. Yes, Capodia is now in the crown,
32:00
Capoti versus the Crown. Next on feud any Who, one of the most
32:10
diverse social gatherings ever assembled, took three months, five hundred and forty names.
32:15
Equally as noteworthy as making the list was being crossed off it. That
32:22
was the black and White ball. Yeah you can. So that was pretty
32:29
cool too because they used actual footage from that night and interspersed it. They
32:35
did. No, I didn't catch it. There was. Yeah, there's
32:39
actual footage in there and you can google that footage. That footage is out
32:44
there to watch some of like the entrances, which is pretty cool. That
32:49
is, I mean, I love that they actually used it. Hmm.
32:55
I'm curious too about your brinner. Oh yeah, and his small little penis
33:02
well, I'm wondering if he was. I mean, I'm sure back then
33:06
I'm sure he was just exposing it to whoever what a psycho? Yeah,
33:10
I didn't know that about him, but I mean, I mean, I
33:14
don't know if. I mean, I can't imagine they wouldn't have just said
33:16
that in the series if there wasn't something behind it. So right, you
33:21
can assume it's real, absolutely, Yeah, so weird. Yeah, he
33:28
was with Marlena Dietrich for a really long time. Oh wow. Yeah,
33:32
but I mean, who wasn't am I right? I mean co Yeah?
33:45
Oh wait, what was this? Oh slim wait? M cez is living
33:52
in their guests Oh, Ces's living in the guest house and they're taking everything.
33:57
Yeah, because like she's up there on the balcony overlooking the ball and
34:00
people like, oh my gosh, she's living the what's your what was your
34:05
last name? Again? The guest seuzy guest. Yeah, the guests living
34:09
in the guest house. Can you believe that was a weird voiceover? By
34:15
the way, again, these are our voiceovers that like I would have done,
34:19
you know, and gotten paid for it, and you'd be like and
34:21
you're like that's so weird, and I'm like I got the money, I'm
34:25
gonna get residuals for that. Why did they pipe Amy Phillips through the ballroom
34:32
at the massacred It's just like a side hustle. It's just like what I
34:38
do you know? How about when Pamela and Slim have that really ridiculous moment
34:47
where it just was not I don't know if it was the other woman's acting,
34:52
but that scene just didn't work that great. Do you know what I'm
34:57
talking about? Yeah, because it wasn't grounded in reality. It was like,
35:04
it felt like they it felt like when you watch housewives do not really
35:09
have it out. That's what it felt like. Just didn't feel although or
35:15
it felt like we were watching a comedy, yeah, or play, that's
35:21
it it did. It seemed like we were watching a play and the rest
35:24
of the show doesn't feel like that at all. So I did not like
35:28
that scene, and I I can't help but blame the other actress that just
35:35
wasn't as believable, and Diane Lane kind of really I don't know that that
35:42
wasn't I'm spacing on her name, but remember she was in the feud.
35:45
She was the assistant writer that wanted to pitch Joan Crawford on a script and
35:52
Joan Crawford was like, I can't take chances on a first time female scrept
36:00
remember that. Yeah, she's a great actor. I just can't remember her
36:05
name. And I thought that she pulled that off, although the whole scene
36:09
in general just didn't feel Maybe it was the writing. It could have just
36:14
been the writing. It was too cliche. Yeah, I think that is
36:20
That's what it was, because it was too cliche. And then Diane Lane
36:22
couldn't really sell it either, so I was kind of like, ah,
36:24
this is awkward. But I mean I'm nitpicking. I mean it was totally
36:28
fine. The scene was like two seconds, you know, but it still
36:31
just bothered me in that way. I guess. So there was that and
36:37
Woodward, who that party crashing moment was really really incredible heartbreaking. I would
36:46
like to know if she actually did show up. I think that's an easy
36:50
thing I could figure out. But I was wondering. I was like,
36:52
I wonder if she did crash it m but it was I mean, the
36:59
thought was, oh, they are in terms of like he would have humiliated
37:02
her. I'm sure. So now was this before he before the word got
37:09
out that he was going to be writing a book about her before that scene.
37:15
Yeah, because this is in sixty six and then she died in seventy
37:21
five. Well, no, you remember before he even wrote prayers, like
37:28
before the scene in the restaurant when she came over and confronted him. Oh,
37:31
you know, I don't know, because he like he like trolled her
37:36
for years, So I don't know. I would assume that that scene in
37:43
the restaurant is after the masquerade. I'm pretty sure. I mean, I
37:46
feel the time stamps, but I'm pretty sure that it was okay. I
37:53
also was wondering if, like that documentary, I wouldn't think that anyone,
37:59
like when they have Lee Radzwell like talking about him negatively, I wouldn't think
38:06
that she would do that on camera. But then if that's true that she
38:10
did that, then you know, maybe he decided from the footage how much
38:19
he wants to betray these women because they don't really like him. They're talking
38:22
trash about Yeah. I mean, none of that foot if that was actually
38:28
ever recorded, none of it is in the documentary. So maybe, yeah,
38:34
maybe he just told himself that that's what he was going to do.
38:38
I mean, like he really had such issues with his mother that and she
38:45
so wanted to be one of these women. I mean, to connect that
38:49
line is not that hard either to do answered prayers. So the smallest of
38:58
sins by one of these women, he would have just put it in the
39:00
bank of things that his mother had wronged him on. You know. It
39:06
wasn't as though they did it. It was it just went like to the
39:09
mother, you know. And he said that Anne Woodward reminded him of his
39:15
mother. Yeah, which she yeah, when she was like I loved her
39:21
lines in this Demi Moore's character as Anne Woodward and she's, you know,
39:27
trying to get into this party and she's like I was, I was kind
39:30
of like I'm one of your swans. And he's like a pew foul a
39:32
bush heavy rang ever shrank and she's like, you said, I remind you
39:44
of your mother? Would you kick your mother out of a party? And
39:46
she's like your wife out of powder. That's why she became cruel and mean
39:53
and care of her sw own. And then like she came there for her
40:07
son because she doesn't want him to be ostracized. And and he's like he
40:13
can scrame you pretty leave. He like pulls up Meredith where he can it
40:25
actually is kind of Meredith. Yeah, his voice is it is actually right,
40:32
that's the closest Oh my god, she was. He was like,
40:37
because you've shot a father in a fash makes no sense to me. He
40:43
showed up murderers the door. You're like her, you're a criminal or lowery
40:50
murther, that was rough and from the whole that was a lot. You
41:00
know, those people got a lot of capoti that night. They weren't they
41:06
did. I mean, he was really like among. I mean, I've
41:09
never been a host of something where I had that much downtime to just fuck
41:16
off. I was like, why are you behind the bar making drinks?
41:20
I was thinking the party was over? Yeah, But then next thing,
41:23
you know, we're on the dance floor. Yeah, and everyone's still there.
41:28
That was really very cool direction when he's dancing with himself and then you
41:35
realize that it was with his mom. I knew he was imagining his mother.
41:40
I knew it. Yeah, I mean, I mean it's pretty obvious,
41:45
right right, you could kind of but it was yeah that they made
41:49
it literally the same choreography and everything cool, and Lee Radzeville's like girl girl,
42:00
you just like, uh completely ripped us all off the dance floor and
42:04
you were so mad that we were making fools out of ourselves. And look
42:07
at you now dancing with you no one. Yeah, and Jack just wanted
42:13
to help everybody have a nice time. Jack is so sweet. I know.
42:17
You know what's weird is that in reality Cez and Lee came around and
42:29
like had his back Camodi again. Oh really, So even though they're making
42:34
Lee out to be like this hard ass, it maybe wasn't the case.
42:37
Oh that's nice. And you know Jack did talk about him in that documentary.
42:43
It wasn't all the women. It was like Lee said some stuff and
42:46
that's and Jack did. That's about it. Yeah. I was like all
42:52
the Swans were trashing him. That was cool. I love that dance scene.
43:00
The chicken hash and the balloons, Oh my god, that god awful.
43:04
His mother was right, she's like who balloons? Like I was like,
43:08
no, kid, no, someone please call him out on these balloons.
43:12
Why are they letting these balloons? That was real, Like that was
43:15
a thing, like all the like, anybody that got an invite was happy
43:19
to get an invite. But then I guess like the upper upper tier wealth
43:23
of people were like, what the hell is this thing. This is terrible.
43:29
We flew from Europe for this, like this is a nightmare. Yeah,
43:32
I just I thought that Babe was gonna be helping. I mean she
43:37
was saying it put a pop of color on the tablecloth. She told that
43:42
woman, you know, it's not a barbecue, so like, why did
43:45
anyone fix it? But we're balloons, like a big balloons obviously were a
43:47
big deal then, right, I mean I guess all of it got knocked
43:52
though, Like the masquerade itself was like the invite of all invites to get.
43:58
But then the after math seems to be like like cool, Like people
44:04
that weren't uber wealthy thought it was really cool, and then all the social
44:07
lights were like, oh my gosh, what were you thinking? This is
44:12
such humiliation? Oh my god, whoa ooh that's rough. Yeah, because
44:20
like people flew in from all over the world for this thing, and they
44:22
were like, is this a joke? Like people thought that they were getting
44:27
like they thought it was a joke. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah,
44:31
I mean there were only two things for dinner, yeah, like and
44:35
pat like and buffet style. Ooh that is how how in God's name would
44:43
that have happened? I mean, babe was sleeping on it because she was
44:46
all over the invitations. But then drop the ball after that. You know
44:52
who wouldn't like it? His sigh from Ronnie. She'd be pissed, pissed,
45:00
really pissed. Your sexless life, your foodless party. Yep. Wow,
45:13
Well Nina the mother, we get to see this scene lastly, I
45:20
mean yeah, pretty much last where she shows up and she's in the masquerade
45:25
outfit and she's like, oh I put that together. Yeah, very good,
45:35
very good, thank you, far some one under. Now I'm turning
45:40
it into share Angie Megan. There you go get their own a salon in
45:53
Utah with her husband. I'm doing your Angie mother your job. She's part
46:07
of the Greek mafia. And I didn't shoot a babe bird. I got
46:16
you, babe. Yeah yeah, so Anita hal So here comes Jess Killing.
46:34
Will you allow me to do my diskilling? Yeah? All allowing?
46:44
Oh now, what was the point of inviting a bunch of celebrities if they're
46:50
only going to cover the faces? Why would I miss the pinnacle of your
46:58
existence? Never miss an opportunity to be seen? Truman, Well, that's
47:10
it, thank you, And then what does Truman say to her, I
47:19
don't know I did it. I gotta get it back. How how Morather?
47:23
Nope, I've lost it again, and this carousel in my mind of
47:28
Truman. Yeah, roopy girl, I can't get it back. Mother,
47:43
I didn't free I can't do it. Oh you, I did it.
47:47
I did it. I just don't. I feel bad that darlings have to
47:52
hear my mouth noises as I work on it. Everybody's dr heaving. Sorry,
48:02
this is so funny to me though, I'm so sorry. I'm having
48:07
so much fun. You're my birth friend, Marma, You're my best friend.
48:16
And then they danced a swan leg. Yes, that was really beautiful.
48:30
Yeah, oh man, just feel sad, like makes me feel sad.
48:45
Oh yeah, why freight car We feel bad for people who were miscreated
48:54
by their mothers. Oh and then parison and rape about murder than than for
49:15
the an asshole like yeah it was, Yes, he was who I mean,
49:22
but he's very interesting and as a character, like he's so compelling.
49:27
I just and I love but to know that he was like so diabolical in
49:31
real life, I'm like, I like that. We're getting a full I
49:36
hope. I just like that people know the full picture. So he wrote
49:40
Breakfast to Tiffany's. He wrote in cold Blood and those were his two big
49:49
hits. Did he have anything after that that? Like, so it seems
49:52
like he was just in a way struggling to come up with that next big
49:58
hit, and Answered Prayers never came out. I mean it was post it
50:02
was published Posthumanous, Humanuminously by Joanne Carson, post Hominously, post hominously homous,
50:15
oh by joe Anne. Joannet you she was involved, okay, I
50:21
think, but it wasn't finished though, right, No, I don't think
50:25
so it was a draft like he did a lot of magazine articles and stuff
50:31
too, Like he contributed in that way, and he would get these huge
50:35
like paydays. I honestly, I don't know where his money went. But
50:42
sometimes, like when he didn't finish Answered Prayers and times in time, he
50:46
had to pay that money back, like two hundred thousand dollars back, and
50:50
he just did it to get them off his back. I can't care real
50:53
morning that I don't have I'm broke. I can't game young hand yamp Oh,
51:06
that's good, okay, Well, like I don't know if I can.
51:09
I can work on it all right, Yeah, we'll work on it.
51:15
Well, I gotta work on it for what I three through the door
51:19
at SNL. The darlings, your profs, darlings. They they like a
51:25
loose Truman. I think, ye, I lose not CAPONI emphasis on the
51:35
poo. You say caputi, I say CAPONI. I like that. Actually
51:42
that goes back to the use you shragmoner in our shame Girl. That was
51:52
an interesting scene at the very beginning where Babe really she flexed hard, you
51:58
know, with her art knowledge. She flexed really hard in both of their
52:00
faces. Yeah, she's talking about CDs. Oh man, she just really
52:07
she popped off a little loose. Yeah, Lucy Goosey, let's just say
52:13
it. Syphilis baby getting rayy baby came rayy baby getting brabies. Mm yeah,
52:45
m hm mm hmmm. She's like, oh, yes, this has
52:51
a lot of like she say wallpower or something like that. That the art
52:57
had a lot of Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I love how she
53:00
said it. But it was just so interesting to hear and what she saw
53:04
in that painting. I was like, oh, that's really cool. I
53:06
mean I don't have that kind of eye. I am not trained if I
53:10
see a painting I love, you know, I'll take it where I wanted
53:15
to go, you know what I mean. But like the technicalities of art
53:19
history and meanings and things like that, I not trained. So it was
53:23
nice to hear her. Yeah, I agree, I agree. It was
53:28
nice to show like she was deep, deeper than maybe everybody was giving credit
53:34
for. That's the point of that scene, I think. And they did
53:37
it well, yes, they sure did. You know, somebody with a
53:40
lot of wealth and they know their shit when it comes to like fancy expensive
53:46
stuff, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:53
Well how many episodes are there? Six? Five or six? Good question?
53:59
I think they're well, I know there's six True Detective, but six
54:07
True and Detectives. I'm not sure. Okay, Well, don't forget True
54:13
Detective is on Friday this week. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
54:21
I'm you watching here. This was very fun. Thanks for listening, you
54:27
guys. We'll we'll be back with a lot of a lot more information that
54:30
comes from Emily's brain from all the research she's done. And can you remind
54:36
me percent of it will be right and ten percent of it's going to be
54:38
so wrong that you will be living. That's my promise to you. What's
54:45
the book that you were referencing Capoti's Women by? Uh Lawrence Leemer? Lem
54:55
Guess who just walked in the room? My little sweetie. Hey, Maddie
55:01
here, say hi to Emily. Hi? Hi? Are you I hear
55:08
that you're getting into hula hooping these days? Yeah? I'm getting a I'm
55:15
getting a non verbal yes from Maddie. Do you know you like her flowered
55:22
shirt? Yeah? It's beautiful? You know it reminds me of a certain
55:27
song. Maddie, this flowered shirt. I can't find myself. Do you
55:37
want to hear yourself saying? I have it on here? Do you want
55:40
to hear it? Okay, let me get it, Let me get it.
55:45
It's down here, old on, my little sweetie? Where is flowers?
55:51
Where it? Come on? It's got a little here it is.
55:54
I started to cry a lumber can Bama solfflowers right man name in the same
56:08
talking myself for hours, say things you don't say. I can take myself
56:19
dance acing home moment and akin love me isn't here? You can let me
56:30
better? Canm me better? Baby? A babe? Do you like cast
56:37
it all the time? Maddie? Yeah, that's not all the time,
56:42
honey. Okay, well, we're gonna wrap up the show. You want
56:45
to say goodbye to everybody, bye, okay, goodbye. All right,
56:52
we want to hear the music. We'll do a sign off together. Thanks
56:57
for listening, darlings. Can you say thanks darlings? Mm hmmm, that's
57:01
okay. You don't have to thanks, darlings. I have a wonderful evening,
57:07
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