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Why We Can’t Look Away: The Mental Health Fallout of Tupac’s Death · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, what we want to talk about today is uh the mental health impact of a death in a family or a death of a close relative or somebody that may be or may have been could be considered famous, a celebrity.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that's what we're going to cover today.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're coming up on the uh anniversary of when Tupac Shakur was uh his his life was taken from him uh by a drive-by shooting.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh a little bit about Tupac.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was born Tupac Amaru Shakur, and he was born on June 16th, 1971, and he unfortunately passed away on September 13th, 1996.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, he was also known by stage names Tupac and Machiavelli.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was an American rapper, an actor, and one of the most influential musical artists of the 20th century, and a prominent political activist for Black America and one of the best-selling music artists having sold more than 75 million records worldwide.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some of those issues his music addressed, social injustice, political issues, and the marginalization of African Americans.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was also synonymous with gangsta rap and violent lyrics.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This comes from the uh Tupac Shakur Wikipedia page.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh he was born in uh NYC, New York City.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was raised by his mother, Affini Shakur, and then he relocated to the San Francisco Bay Area in 1988.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: His debut album, Tupacalypse Now, in 1991, cemented him as a central figure in the West Coast hip-hop for his political rap lyrics.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: California love.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A little bit about his uh his passing.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this comes from Duck Duck Go Search Assist and Tupachor was a prominent rapper, as we mentioned.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Unfortunately, was shot in a drive-by shooting on September 7th, 1996 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was only 25 years old at the time of his death.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The exact date and time, September seventh, nineteen ninety-six at eleven fifteen Pacific Daylight Time.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The location was the intersection of East Flamingo Road and Caval Lane, Las Vegas.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And under the circumstances, Tupac Shakur was a passenger in a black BMW driven by Marion Shug Knight when a white Cadillac pulled up beside them and unfortunately opened fire.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Injuries.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Shakur was fortunately shot four times, sustaining critical injuries, including two shots to the chest, one to the arm, one to the thigh.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He was rushed to the hospital, underwent surgery, and remained in critical, can get critical condition for six days before succumbing to his injuries on September 13th, 1996.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is of interest now, as we are unfortunately close, uh just a couple days away from the anniversary of Tupac's passing.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But there's been some recent developments since his passing in 1996.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So just recently, here in August of 2026, Dwayne Kefe or Cafe, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I apologize if I'm not.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh Kefee D.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Davis was found guilty of orchestrating Tupac's murder.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this conviction marked a significant breakthrough in the case that remained unsolved.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So basically, basically the cold case for nearly 30 years.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: However, Davis was not the shooter, but was implicated as the planner of the attack, motivated by a prior altercation involving his nephew and Tupac Shakur's entourage.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Tupac's death has had a long-lasting impact on hip-hop culture and continues to be a subject of discussion and investigation.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: His music and influence remain significant, and the recent conviction has brought some closure to his family and friends.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So a lot of that I shared from Duck Duck Go with the search Tupac Shakur and Tupac Shakur Death, as well as Tupac Shakur Wikipedia.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so now we're gonna get into what it's what it's like the best we can when we lose somebody.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And under the circumstances of it being the passing being done by somebody else other than the individual themselves.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And in thirty years.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some that I made poor choices, but he was always there, just as my mom has and is and was always there, and still is.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But losing a loved one is very difficult.
• 10:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Everybody handles it in a little bit of different way.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: With Tupac and being so long after his death, I can only imagine that friends and family and associates how they're feeling at this time with the recent conviction of Dwayne.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Somebody's having justice done to them.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: With the trial high profile person that Tupac was and remains to be with his music, still being played to this day.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it brings a little bit of closure.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I personally haven't had a situation like that unfold.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But the way one day without knowing who did this, who took Tupakshakor's life?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I get it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They don't want to talk, they don't want to be they don't want to be bothered by it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They just keep walking or they keep driving.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or they don't want to be interviewed by law enforcement.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Somehow, some way, this person was just recently found guilty of the planning.
• 13:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we can think of the planning of 9-11, which is the day that we are filming this show.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The yes, there were individuals on those planes.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And those were the people that I guess executed whatever plan there was, but there was planning before that.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's extensive planning before that, before that occurred.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so if somebody plans, how do we feel about that?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do we feel as a society, as a community, as human beings, the person that plans these horrific acts should get the justice, the same justice as the person or persons that is and has carried out the the crimes.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How do we feel about that?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think it's a good discussion point.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Guilty by association in a in a way, right?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You have somebody who's planning, and then you have kind of the people that are gonna do the things that are absolutely despicable, and the people go and do those things that are despicable, and whether those individuals are brought to justice, which Duane, at least from my count, is the only one that's been held accountable for the death of Tupac Shakur in 1996 on September 13th.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's an interesting topic, but when we look at the mental health side, it it is just as interesting because I don't know these individuals, I don't know if their families, friends, associates.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I can just only think that there's a lot of stress, maybe some depression that some people are still holding in of who pulled the trigger or triggers, so there could be that with individuals knowing information and not coming forward, and then you have the victim, two Paksha Cors, family of friends, associates, entourage, that mental health, losing a friend, a family member, colleague, part of a record label, an influential person, a musician, an artist, a rapper, to be more specific.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, how do we feel about that?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If I were to venture a guess, that would have been a tough time being around that terrible scene, a terrible murder scene.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or getting a call, not even being there.
• 18:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe being in a different city or state or country and finding out a lot of emotions.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sobbing, crying.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How do we move forward?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That also brings stress and some depression.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, man, Tupac was my best friend, not mine.
• 18:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm talking about who his best friend was.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the and the people he associated with a lot.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, oh my gosh.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just saw him, I just talked to him, I just communicated with him.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now he's t he's taken from this earth prematurely.
• 19:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So justice thirty years later with Dwayne.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, that helps a little bit.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, some of these high-profile cases, people are looking and wanting them to be solved quickly.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, thirty years is not quickly.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But it looks like it the case was solved from the planning perspective.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm just going, like I said, I'm going off news reports, I'm going off of what is readily available public information.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I have no insider information whatsoever.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm just sharing how a mental toll could could take for people on kind of the both sides.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like I know something, I saw something, I heard something, and then this action happened.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then you have friend, family member, part of our record label, how we're gonna move forward.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And some people say, oh that's easy, just keep going, just just keep moving forward.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In my estimation, and in my experience, it's much easier said than done.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's much easier said than done.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like just get over it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: No, we talk about my mental health crash and everything.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just get through it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Stop crying.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just power through it, go for a walk, take a deep breath.
• 21:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, all those all those tips.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That are out there readily available.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It didn't work for me.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I wasn't a part of any of this case that we're talking about.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're talking about because it's it's current.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The justice has been handed down for the planner.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I don't I don't know, but maybe some of the friends, family, colleagues, entourage, maybe they've also passed away since 1996 for one reason or another.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so they never got to see justice being done.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So people say, okay, well, he he was the planner, so he's the fall guy.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But what about the people who actually did the thing?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Where they used a firearm and took a person's life.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And for one reason or another, they don't want to share it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we think about the mental health of the actual perpetrators of the crime.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So Duane is the planner, and then you have the individual or individuals who are in this white vehicle and pull up and aim and shoot at Tupac, Shakur.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If they're still alive, there's got to be some some stress, some anxiety.
• 24:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe not.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe there is none.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm just guessing that there's a little bit.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It may be way in the back of the mind.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But it's still it's still there.
• 24:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so mental health finds its way in every nook and cranny.
• 24:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, we're talking about Tupac Shakur on this episode.
• 25:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What's that mean to oh the hip hop community?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The music that is lost because Tupac passed away.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That he had in his mind.
• 25:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe he had recorded some or maybe he he just had a melody or a rhythm they liked and and there weren't any lyrics to it or to them.
• 25:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when any person passes away, no matter how they do, whether it's expected, a person of old age with different health ailments, or whether it's this explosive act, this drive-by drive by shooting Las Vegas, Nevada.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we say this a lot, but it's so true.
• 26:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: When we see people in passing, if we're at a festival, if we're at a concert, um, if we're picking up our children at school after a class, maybe after soccer, after baseball, after softball.
• 27:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We all have different levels of stress and anxiety, and how we how we handle that.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I hope and pray that there is at least a little bit of closure.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just a little bit of closure with the conviction of Dwayne Kefey D.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Davis, who was found guilty of orchestrating Tupac's murder after thirty years.
• 28:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes we want we want time to go faster because maybe there's something that we're look you know looking forward to.
• 28:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe a vacation, maybe a concert.
• 28:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You name it.
• 28:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're looking forward to it.
• 28:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But what we don't know if we're we're gonna make it to that.
• 28:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Every day is a blessing.
• 28:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've had to really think about life in that way.
• 28:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when I say we're grateful to have you with us, really am.
• 29:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's a blessing that we're able to even have this episode that we're able to share and talk about a very hard topic.
• 29:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have back the school, right?
• 29:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe that drives a lot of stress with students and parents and loved ones and guardians and all those.
• 29:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Getting into a new routine or getting it, getting into an old routine that we had at an earlier time.
• 29:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so now we're getting back into the flow.
• 30:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I remember so many times in college more than high school, where we would go around the classroom, not in all the classes, not every single one.
• 30:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But we would go you know around, so let's say there's 20 students in the class.
• 30:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we'd start at one side of the room and then we work our way to the other side.
• 30:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And professor would say, let's let's get to know our classmates.
• 30:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, tell us your name, your major, something that you did fun over the the summertime.
• 31:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or something else.
• 31:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, you get what I'm saying.
• 31:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I would freeze for a little bit.
• 31:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, oh my gosh, what am I gonna say?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What are not only what am I what am I gonna say, how are people gonna are what are they gonna think if I say something like wrong, or I stutter, or I pause too long, or I talk too fast.
• 31:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Those are real feelings that happen, and it goes into the workplace too.
• 31:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: At some point, you have to introduce yourself, whether that's at an interview, uh, whether that's in a meeting.
• 32:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Could be you could be meeting with people from your work, and there's ten of you in the meeting, and you don't know who they are, they don't know who you are.
• 32:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so they quick, you know, around the table, you know, who's with us?
• 32:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Our name, and what department we're in, even something as small as that would get me so so so stressed.
• 32:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That like I could feel like the temperature in my body just rise so much.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So being a being a kid in today's day and age, I can I can sense, I can feel that there are students and and instructors and teachers and administrators who are are nervous, or maybe they don't maybe they don't maybe they don't think they're nervous.
• 33:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or maybe they don't think they're anxious, but deep down they are, and that manifests itself later down the road.
• 33:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So what am I getting at?
• 33:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Have a mental health team for you.
• 33:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I talk about this a lot, but it's so so darn important.
• 34:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Have people that you can talk to, have people that won't judge you or I don't know.
• 34:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe my mental health team judges me.
• 34:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know, but I don't want to worry I don't want to spend my time worrying about that.
• 34:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'd rather share the things that are kind of the top of mine.
• 34:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if we feel that like the trust isn't there, then we can pick another member of our team and just say it wasn't a good fit.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's okay.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Might meet with a counselor and go, oh my gosh, this isn't gonna work.
• 35:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's okay.
• 35:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Pick another one.
• 35:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The next one you get to gets you closer and closer to a member of your mental health team that gets you.
• 35:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm a talker, so most of the time I'm talking.
• 35:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes I'm quiet, but for the most part, it's kind of like this whole thing of you get what you put in.
• 35:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if you're gonna if you're not gonna share, it could be for a lot of reasons.
• 35:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It can be very, very, very difficult to share.
• 35:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But you get what you put in.
• 36:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Write things down so you don't forget it.
• 36:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know how fast our brains operate.
• 36:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Write it down, and so when you go your appointment, you have it.
• 36:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You have the the things in the last, let's say you have an appointment every two weeks, and the things that are fresh in top of mind now are gonna be easy to talk about, easier.
• 36:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't mean that the topics are gonna be easy, I just mean it's gonna be easier to recall those topics.
• 36:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Whereas the week prior, it might be a little more difficult.
• 36:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I just write it down.
• 36:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can either do pen and paper, pencil and paper, color pencil, crayon and paper, you can put in your phone, put it in your iPad.
• 37:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um then you have it with you.
• 37:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because you might go, oh wow, I totally forgot about that.
• 37:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've done that before, where I'm like, I think I've hit the top points, and then sometimes I finish my visits, and then I'm like, oh, I missed that one.
• 37:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I forgot about that.
• 37:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for joining us on this episode with the Voices for Voices podcast and TV show.
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• 38:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, let's celebrate the voices of everyone in the world, and let's be a voice not only for ourselves, but for people like Tupac and others who have gone before us.
• 38:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So have a good rest of your day, and we will talk to you and see you very, very soon.
• 39:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye.