Latest / Arroe Collins Like It's Live / Happiness Included Jan Brady And Beyond Talking Art And More With Eve Plumb

Transcript

Happiness Included Jan Brady And Beyond Talking Art And More With Eve Plumb · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

0:00
Speaker 1: It's actually a pretty cool choice. Ero dot net a
0:03
Speaker 1: r oe dot net one place twenty different podcasts. One
0:07
Speaker 1: of the most popular ones. Creativity is an addiction. Think
0:11
Speaker 1: about it. If you're a creative person, you're addicted. How
0:16
Speaker 1: you act, react, and put yourself through that fiery storm
0:19
Speaker 1: every day is more than just beyond you. It's beyond
0:22
Speaker 1: everybody who's about to receive it. Ooh too deep. Well,
0:25
Speaker 1: that's how deep we get. Creativity is the addiction. Only
0:29
Speaker 1: on arro dot net aar r oe dot net. Enjoy
0:33
Speaker 1: your exploration. Good morning, Eve, how are you doing today? Good?
0:37
Speaker 1: How are you absolutely fantastic? Thank you so much for
0:40
Speaker 1: giving yourself permission to be here saying yes to yourself,
0:43
Speaker 1: because I know how powerful that word no is to
0:45
Speaker 1: you and I have been empowered by you saying that
0:48
Speaker 1: not only to those around you, but to things where
0:51
Speaker 1: you go no no and I mean it, and I
0:53
Speaker 1: love that about you.
0:56
Speaker 2: Well, that's lovely to hear. Thank you.
0:59
Speaker 1: Well, it takes a lot, But I have to ask
1:01
Speaker 1: the question of have you ever had to say no
1:02
Speaker 1: to yourself? Because I think that's the biggest challenge sometime
1:05
Speaker 1: in the world of creativity.
1:09
Speaker 3: Yes, I often try to about try to make sure
1:12
Speaker 3: that I say no to doing too much. I definitely
1:17
Speaker 3: could keep my boundaries about trying to not do too
1:21
Speaker 3: much activity publicity going to every event. I don't have
1:28
Speaker 3: to go to every single one of them, and it's
1:31
Speaker 3: more enjoyable if I don't.
1:33
Speaker 1: What was it like to say yes to yourself to
1:35
Speaker 1: finally put your story inside a book because we've all
1:38
Speaker 1: gotten everything from Tiger Beat magazine, teen Beat magazine, we
1:43
Speaker 1: got everything from every magazine, but now here is the book.
1:49
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I've had not given up my stories to
1:52
Speaker 3: other people who have written Brady books because I knew
1:55
Speaker 3: I would eventually do this, and I'd eventually be able
1:58
Speaker 3: to talk about my early days in television and answer
2:03
Speaker 3: any Brady bunch of questions people might have. And so
2:08
Speaker 3: that's sort of how it came about.
2:10
Speaker 1: What I love about you, though, is that you take
2:12
Speaker 1: creativity really seriously. In fact, I want to talk about
2:16
Speaker 1: your paintings because I too, am an author as well
2:19
Speaker 1: as a painter, and what you have done with your
2:21
Speaker 1: artwork just inspires me so much, especially European streets. The depth,
2:26
Speaker 1: the shadowing. Did you peak the painting in the way
2:29
Speaker 1: that Peter Max always did his peaking, he would kind
2:31
Speaker 1: of thicken it up a bit because he knew that
2:33
Speaker 1: there was going to be shadows in it.
2:35
Speaker 2: No.
2:36
Speaker 3: No, the European street scenes that I did were for
2:39
Speaker 3: the HDTV show and I made prints of them and
2:43
Speaker 3: they're hanging in the den at the recreated house. But
2:46
Speaker 3: painting has always been a creative outlet for me. I'm
2:50
Speaker 3: pretty much self taught, learning from others along the way,
2:54
Speaker 3: and that fed into our business called Plumb Goods. That's
2:59
Speaker 3: all things for the home, designs on mugs and phone
3:03
Speaker 3: cases and stuff. And now I'm thinking about a new thing,
3:06
Speaker 3: and maybe you could tell me what you think. With
3:09
Speaker 3: all this book stuff going on and all the appreciation
3:13
Speaker 3: I'm seeing from the fans, I'm kind of thinking about
3:16
Speaker 3: doing a jewelry line called Jance Lockett.
3:19
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's so funny you say that, because because
3:22
Speaker 1: I just got my first Forever bracelet. So yes, that
3:26
Speaker 1: is a male and a female thing. You're going to
3:28
Speaker 1: get both audiences with that by doing exactly that.
3:34
Speaker 3: So but the thing is, I need to get with
3:37
Speaker 3: a partner because I Am not going to make jewelry
3:40
Speaker 3: in my basement. I have a basement, so I need
3:43
Speaker 3: somebody like I need somebody like a k Jewelers or
3:46
Speaker 3: a Pandora to partner with so that I could be
3:50
Speaker 3: the design person and they could be the people making
3:53
Speaker 3: the actual things. It's it's a it's a it's just
3:57
Speaker 3: I just need to figure out how to get that
3:58
Speaker 3: next step.
4:00
Speaker 1: Well, it's the thing, because I mean, you have your
4:02
Speaker 1: your friends giving everything is happening when it comes. I
4:05
Speaker 1: swear to God, the friendships have happened even more than
4:08
Speaker 1: actual relationships. And to have these locketts, my God, that
4:12
Speaker 1: really brings something into relationships with groups of people.
4:17
Speaker 2: Right.
4:18
Speaker 3: So yeah, it would be the lockett. It would be
4:20
Speaker 3: a charm bracelet and with all sorts of things from
4:22
Speaker 3: the show of glasses, a doghouse, a wedding cake, a dog,
4:26
Speaker 3: a cat. You know, they're about thirty different charms I
4:28
Speaker 3: want to do. Then would maybe go on earrings as well.
4:32
Speaker 3: You can wear it on a necklace. It's a whole
4:34
Speaker 3: thing I've got. I've got it in my head. I
4:37
Speaker 3: just need to get it into the world.
4:38
Speaker 1: But you know how those people on Shark Tank are
4:40
Speaker 1: going to be. They're going to say, Okay, so I
4:42
Speaker 1: got the lockett, Now what are we going to do
4:44
Speaker 1: to get them to the paintings, and it's going to
4:45
Speaker 1: be there. I know how that's going to happen because
4:47
Speaker 1: of those little charms that are on there, and all
4:49
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're gonna go see, you know, the
4:51
Speaker 1: candle painting, and they're going to go how did we
4:53
Speaker 1: even make perfection out of something that isn't perfected because
4:56
Speaker 1: it deals with wax. I mean, that's the thing about
4:58
Speaker 1: it is that you're alway, he's reaching out and that's
5:01
Speaker 1: that right there is what consumers want. They want something
5:05
Speaker 1: from their artists so that they can continue to grow
5:07
Speaker 1: with them.
5:10
Speaker 3: Exactly, which is also why I've done some reproductions of
5:13
Speaker 3: my work.
5:14
Speaker 2: I've got the artwork.
5:15
Speaker 3: On cards at plumb Goods Nice and puzzles and puzzles
5:20
Speaker 3: at plumb Goods. So that's what's great about creativity is
5:24
Speaker 3: that it's endless. You can just keep coming up with things,
5:28
Speaker 3: and you know it's that's my favorite thing, is being
5:31
Speaker 3: designing and working with color and creating things to go
5:35
Speaker 3: out into the world.
5:36
Speaker 1: When did you realize that this side of your personality
5:39
Speaker 1: was there? Because were you a doodler when you were younger?
5:42
Speaker 1: I mean, how did you start trusting to put your
5:45
Speaker 1: stuff on a canvas or even into everything that you
5:48
Speaker 1: were doing.
5:50
Speaker 3: My mom always had me drawing and doing whatever whenever
5:54
Speaker 3: I was bored and on the Brady set. There was always,
5:58
Speaker 3: you know, being encouraged to paint and draw during the
6:01
Speaker 3: summer when we were in school. So when I found
6:06
Speaker 3: myself in my early twenties without a lot of auditions,
6:09
Speaker 3: I decided to start teaching myself how to paint well
6:14
Speaker 3: enough to where I could put it up on the.
6:15
Speaker 2: Wall and like it.
6:17
Speaker 1: See that's fascinating to me because people have always asked me,
6:20
Speaker 1: why don't you just go and you learn how to
6:22
Speaker 1: do all this painting. I said, I can't because I
6:24
Speaker 1: don't want to learn how to paint like them. This
6:26
Speaker 1: is about me, not to be selfish, but I feel
6:29
Speaker 1: the same energy. For me, it was like, let me
6:30
Speaker 1: do it in my own shape and size, and then
6:33
Speaker 1: if it's wrong, who says it's wrong. There's no such
6:35
Speaker 1: thing as a wrong painting.
6:38
Speaker 2: No, there's not, but there is helpful.
6:42
Speaker 3: It is helpful to understand technique, and it depends on
6:45
Speaker 3: if you're doing you know, realism or abstract. But for me,
6:49
Speaker 3: understanding technique and how I didn't ever take any specific courses,
6:54
Speaker 3: but you pick things up here and there, and some
6:56
Speaker 3: of the tropes are true about how to create distance,
6:59
Speaker 3: how to create highlights, the color mixing what works, and composition.
7:06
Speaker 3: Composition is a big thing, and that's why I started
7:09
Speaker 3: the noir paintings because as I would be painting a
7:12
Speaker 3: bowl of fruit, I'd be watching Turner classic movies and
7:15
Speaker 3: I started noticing the composition of these wonderful movies. And
7:20
Speaker 3: that's when I would freeze the frame and take a picture,
7:23
Speaker 3: create create a painting from that that then has a
7:26
Speaker 3: three word title fixed to the canvas. And those have
7:31
Speaker 3: just been great fun. I just just love those those movies.
7:35
Speaker 1: That is so fascinating that you put words with it,
7:37
Speaker 1: because that's what I did at Barnes and Noble. Just
7:39
Speaker 1: to get people to the painting, I would put poetry
7:42
Speaker 1: or some sort of words because the writing drew people in,
7:45
Speaker 1: but once they got in there to get the expression,
7:47
Speaker 1: the painting sold. So words that's what's missing from a
7:50
Speaker 1: lot of paintings. Just give them some words.
7:53
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. True.
7:58
Speaker 1: So but when you talk about those, you know the
8:00
Speaker 1: shaping and the sizing and the distance, I mean, right,
8:03
Speaker 1: away that What came to mind was the Chrysler building.
8:05
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is what I love about
8:07
Speaker 1: that painting is the fact that that's exactly how I
8:09
Speaker 1: felt when I was in New York. I saw it.
8:12
Speaker 1: I just couldn't get to it because it those buildings
8:15
Speaker 1: are further away than what you think they.
8:17
Speaker 3: Are, true, and that's why you just walk in New York.
8:22
Speaker 3: You can walk right past it. It's right there across
8:25
Speaker 3: from Grand Central Station.
8:27
Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with eve Plum coming
8:30
Speaker 1: up next. The neighbor of her book Happiness included Jan
8:35
Speaker 1: Brady and beyond, we are back with eve Plum. You've
8:39
Speaker 1: always been an inspiration.
8:40
Speaker 3: I mean.
8:40
Speaker 1: The reason why is because I was a middle child.
8:42
Speaker 1: Everything that Jan Brady went through, I felt like I
8:45
Speaker 1: was going through as well. And if you knew how
8:46
Speaker 1: much I studied you when it was on television, because
8:49
Speaker 1: I just had to know that I wasn't alone with it,
8:52
Speaker 1: you know, being that that child that everybody was older
8:54
Speaker 1: or they were younger, and was like, well what about me,
8:57
Speaker 1: you guys are don't ignore me.
9:03
Speaker 2: Well, that's good. I'm glad to hear that. I hear
9:05
Speaker 2: that a lot. That's very nice.
9:07
Speaker 1: Well, what you put into it was realism and to
9:09
Speaker 1: me that that right there. If someone says, so, where
9:12
Speaker 1: did reality TV began? Jan Brady? Because she was able
9:16
Speaker 1: to handle things that a lot of people in the
9:18
Speaker 1: that our middle children could understand. We knew that language,
9:22
Speaker 1: we knew how to and you taught us how to
9:24
Speaker 1: get along with other people inside the family.
9:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a.
9:29
Speaker 3: Big part of how the scripts work out, and I
9:32
Speaker 3: think that was probably a big part of what they
9:34
Speaker 3: wanted to convey, was these two separate families come in
9:38
Speaker 3: together and having to learn how to live together.
9:42
Speaker 1: In building your creative process. Because I have a show
9:45
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio called Creativity is the Addiction, and it's one
9:48
Speaker 1: of those things that you can never hang up. And
9:50
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand creative people. How did
9:53
Speaker 1: you get people to say, just give her space, just
9:56
Speaker 1: let her do what she needs to do, and we'll
9:59
Speaker 1: see her on the other side.
10:02
Speaker 3: Uh, Well, I think the thing is that everyone is creative.
10:06
Speaker 3: From back in the eighties, it was this thing called
10:08
Speaker 3: creative visualization, as if it were something separate than our
10:11
Speaker 3: actual thought process. If you if you think about making
10:14
Speaker 3: a sandwich, you imagine, okay, I'll use this bread and
10:16
Speaker 3: I'll have that cheese, and you know, and then you
10:19
Speaker 3: maybe erase that and decide, you know what, No, I
10:21
Speaker 3: want spaghetti and said, but you see that in your head.
10:24
Speaker 3: So every time you go to do something, you're imagining it.
10:27
Speaker 3: So that is creative visualization. So then once you realize that,
10:33
Speaker 3: you can start noticing what you're seeing in your head
10:36
Speaker 3: to uh figure out how you want to create it,
10:40
Speaker 3: whether it's a painting or a sandwich.
10:42
Speaker 2: You know, we're creating all the time.
10:46
Speaker 1: We are. It never ends, and that's the thing about it.
10:49
Speaker 1: But you see that, and I look at this book
10:51
Speaker 1: as being exactly that because your word placement is so
10:54
Speaker 1: spot on, because I when I go into these paragraphs
10:57
Speaker 1: and things, it's almost like I can hear a melody.
10:59
Speaker 1: There's there's something that's in there, and it keeps me
11:01
Speaker 1: drawn to the page. Were you listening to music while
11:04
Speaker 1: you were putting this together?
11:07
Speaker 3: No, I was having wonderful conversations with Marsha Wilkie, who
11:11
Speaker 3: is the co writer essentially, because I am I am
11:15
Speaker 3: not a writer. I'm an okay writer, but I've certainly
11:18
Speaker 3: never written a book before. And anytime you go to
11:20
Speaker 3: do something this big the first time it would be crap. Yeah,
11:23
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to take that chance. I really
11:25
Speaker 3: needed again a partner, somebody to help. And I think
11:29
Speaker 3: the idea of the lone genius is a little bit
11:33
Speaker 3: of BS, because everybody has somebody that is helping them,
11:37
Speaker 3: even if you're the person who is selling you the
11:39
Speaker 3: canvas and the brushes at the store. So you have
11:43
Speaker 3: to give credit where credit is due and also realize
11:47
Speaker 3: that it's okay to work with someone on projects.
11:50
Speaker 1: Have you been there at that like a Michael's or
11:52
Speaker 1: something where you get the canvases and the person that
11:55
Speaker 1: you're getting it from they have no clue. And then
11:57
Speaker 1: you finally come clean saying, by the way, I just
11:59
Speaker 1: want you to know. And then and then to see them,
12:01
Speaker 1: they're going, what the heck? And they don't realize that
12:04
Speaker 1: it starts with them. They are the seed.
12:08
Speaker 3: Well, I never really out myself to anyone, and I
12:11
Speaker 3: don't get recognized a lot.
12:13
Speaker 1: Wow.
12:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I actually had I was I had a
12:19
Speaker 3: lot of the clothes for this thing tailored. And the
12:21
Speaker 3: wonderful young woman, she's probably thirty, uh, said so you're
12:25
Speaker 3: written up writing a book?
12:26
Speaker 2: I said yeah, And She said, so what's it called?
12:28
Speaker 3: And I said it's called Happiness Included. That's great, Yeah,
12:31
Speaker 3: John Brady and beyond okay because that's me. The guy
12:40
Speaker 3: that scanned the photos for the book was like, so
12:42
Speaker 3: what's the book about?
12:43
Speaker 2: And like me, he says, what you do? He says
12:46
Speaker 2: what did you do?
12:49
Speaker 3: So I don't get recognized all the time, and I
12:52
Speaker 3: don't mind it. It's just I always don't know if
12:55
Speaker 3: how far I should go, if I do I tell
12:57
Speaker 3: them and or do I just say thanks and go wow?
13:02
Speaker 1: Because what's so inspiring about your book Happiness Included? And
13:05
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of creative people and just
13:06
Speaker 1: everyday people will understand this. There's an invisible message here
13:10
Speaker 1: is is that I am not a used to be.
13:12
Speaker 1: I am a today and I am growing today and
13:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to take you for the walk. You never
13:17
Speaker 1: make me feel like that you used to be. This
13:19
Speaker 1: was just part of your story.
13:22
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice, thank you.
13:25
Speaker 1: But to get there is truth, honesty. You're being transparent.
13:29
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I always encourage listeners. You've got
13:32
Speaker 1: to take a yellow highlighter through this book. And the
13:34
Speaker 1: reason why is because you're going to read things that
13:37
Speaker 1: are going to be part of your life and you
13:38
Speaker 1: can grow from it.
13:41
Speaker 2: Great, Well, thank you, that's very nice.
13:44
Speaker 1: Did you pick up Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way along
13:47
Speaker 1: This because I really feel that that in depth, where
13:49
Speaker 1: it's like the artist is sharing a story in hopes
13:52
Speaker 1: of reaching other creative people or that person that's sitting
13:56
Speaker 1: in their bedroom right now doodling or writing and they
13:59
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with it but to put
14:00
Speaker 1: it in a box so somebody else later on will
14:03
Speaker 1: find it. There's something here in this book that says,
14:05
Speaker 1: go be you. Don't be in just somebody who's going
14:08
Speaker 1: to talk about you in silence, Go be you.
14:12
Speaker 3: Well, thanks, yes, absolutely you. You You can't fail if
14:17
Speaker 3: you don't try so so that could be very safe
14:22
Speaker 3: and it can also, but that's just it. You have
14:25
Speaker 3: to get past the hard part with all of this.
14:27
Speaker 3: You know, you didn't learn how to drive just immediately.
14:30
Speaker 3: You have to. You have to make mistakes. Mistakes are
14:32
Speaker 3: what will teach you. And when you can remember that
14:35
Speaker 3: when you make a mistake, you'll be less it be
14:37
Speaker 3: less daunting because you know you that's.
14:41
Speaker 2: How you get insight. Also, I was thinking about insight
14:44
Speaker 2: and not insight.
14:46
Speaker 3: But what is it when you when you have a
14:48
Speaker 3: feeling and you're like, oh, yes, that's right.
14:51
Speaker 2: Instinct instinct. Instinct.
14:53
Speaker 3: Instinct comes from experience. I know that if I've tried
14:57
Speaker 3: these expressious with this kind of paint, but this is
15:00
Speaker 3: the one that works, because I tried five of them
15:03
Speaker 3: that didn't work. So you have to get past the
15:06
Speaker 3: hard part and you have to to that's like, oh,
15:08
Speaker 3: I had an instinct.
15:09
Speaker 2: Well, you must have had lots of experience.
15:12
Speaker 1: With it, did you do you scrape your paintings in
15:14
Speaker 1: the way of you've got the brush, but then you
15:16
Speaker 1: then you take the palette knife and you kind of
15:18
Speaker 1: scrape it to spread the colors, because I mean, your
15:20
Speaker 1: colors are blended so well. And when I go to
15:23
Speaker 1: a gallery, and they were when I went to the
15:25
Speaker 1: Getty in La it was almost like they wanted to
15:27
Speaker 1: kick me out because I wanted to study the technique
15:30
Speaker 1: of the of the of the actual author as well
15:33
Speaker 1: as the painter. And that's exactly what I see in
15:35
Speaker 1: your artwork as well. I want to study what your
15:37
Speaker 1: technique is.
15:40
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes it's it's usually brushwork. Sometimes it's layered. Sometimes
15:44
Speaker 3: I scumble. I did the Western Series is all vertical strokes,
15:50
Speaker 3: So any blending I get is just a vertical stroke.
15:53
Speaker 3: That was the rule I had in my head was
15:54
Speaker 3: that it had to have a horse and a blue
15:56
Speaker 3: sky and vertical strokes. So there are lots of different
15:59
Speaker 3: kinds of techniques and keeping trying them, keeping doing things
16:03
Speaker 3: is what continues to be fun about, Especially about oil painting.
16:09
Speaker 3: It's very it's very flexible for any kind of technique.
16:12
Speaker 1: See, I won't do oil penies because I'm afraid of it.
16:15
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that I'm going to get in there.
16:16
Speaker 3: And see and yeah, you're going to make You're going
16:19
Speaker 3: to make all kinds of mistakes and you figure out
16:21
Speaker 3: what works, and then you'll find out that it is
16:24
Speaker 3: so variable because of the drying time you can. I
16:28
Speaker 3: mean I worked with all sorts of different trial and error,
16:31
Speaker 3: different kinds of mediums.
16:32
Speaker 2: You know.
16:33
Speaker 3: Now, I use a fifty to fifty mix of odorless
16:36
Speaker 3: turpentine to linseed oil, wow, And I keep that in
16:40
Speaker 3: a little bottle and that's the moisture I use if
16:42
Speaker 3: I want to have it be thin and then you
16:45
Speaker 3: you know, thin and thick and mixing and layers and
16:49
Speaker 3: if it doesn't work you scrape it all off and
16:51
Speaker 3: start off.
16:53
Speaker 1: Galleries don't like me because I use white out and
16:55
Speaker 1: because if when I make a mistake, I'll put and
16:57
Speaker 1: they go white out doesn't last one hundred years. And
16:59
Speaker 1: I said, if I can get even twenty five years,
17:02
Speaker 1: I'm happy. But the oh man, when they find out
17:05
Speaker 1: I've got white out on there, not good. They don't
17:07
Speaker 1: like that.
17:09
Speaker 3: Well no, and I would think that you should hope
17:11
Speaker 3: for longer longevity. And you can use you know, quite
17:16
Speaker 3: acrylic is a thing, you know, the acrylic paint is white.
17:20
Speaker 3: A titanium oil paint will We'll cover anything. So I
17:24
Speaker 3: think you could choose another medium there, because you don't
17:27
Speaker 3: want your artwork to change in a way that you
17:30
Speaker 3: can't can't plan.
17:32
Speaker 1: It does it, yellows? It sure does? It, sure does.
17:35
Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out everything about you?
17:37
Speaker 1: And I hope you pray that they will be just
17:39
Speaker 1: as creative as you you bring forward inside these pages.
17:42
Speaker 2: Thank you.
17:43
Speaker 3: They can go to Amazon, you can go to Barnes
17:45
Speaker 3: and Noble, you can go to your local bookstore and
17:50
Speaker 3: thank you for buying excellent.
17:52
Speaker 1: Well, please come back to this show anytime in the future.
17:54
Speaker 1: I love talking creativity with you because you get it,
17:57
Speaker 1: you understand it.
17:57
Speaker 2: Thanks okay, thank you so much.
18:01
Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
18:02
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll do my best.