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What Divorce Made JLo Do, A Celeb Was Haunted By Their Ex, and The Valley’s Michelle Makes Comment on Dr. Dre · Pursuit of Sassiness

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Speaker 1: I do Part two. It's your celebrity mentor Kelly Bensimone.
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Speaker 1: I'm here with my producer who I love, Heather, and
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Speaker 1: we are gonna bring you up to date on the
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Speaker 1: latest news in the headlines this week, because you know what,
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Speaker 1: there is so much going on. Let's dive in high.
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Speaker 2: Heather, Hi, there's a lot going on that we have
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Speaker 2: to cover. Let's jump in though to this first one
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Speaker 2: because I kind of didn't see this coming, and I
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Speaker 2: wonder if you did. It's jelly Roll went to the
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Speaker 2: hospital one week before Bunny Exo divorce news. So first
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Speaker 2: of all, this is like the top story everywhere right now,
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Speaker 2: these two divorcing. I think it for a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of come out of nowhere. She recently, not
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Speaker 2: too long ago, released a book and was out doing
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Speaker 2: a press tour. And I don't think that anybody saw
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Speaker 2: this coming. But basically, to dive into this, it says
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Speaker 2: Jelly Roll is sharing a health update that briefly sidelined
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Speaker 2: him while on tour with post Malone. In a TikTok
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Speaker 2: video that he shared on June eleventh, the country star
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Speaker 2: revealed that he went to the hospital the night before
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Speaker 2: at novent health after battling a sinus infection during the tour.
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Speaker 2: He said, So, I went to the hospital last night
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Speaker 2: in Charlotte, North Carolina. Shout out to that whole hospital.
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Speaker 2: They literally got me on my feet for the show.
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Speaker 2: I was puffy faced, he said, adding that the doctors
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Speaker 2: gave me a bunch of steroids. He explained that the
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Speaker 2: health issue forced him to miss a portion of the
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Speaker 2: show for the first time since joining the Post Malone tour.
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Speaker 2: According to jelly Roll, post Malone checked in on him
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Speaker 2: after learning he wasn't feeling well. The next night. He
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Speaker 2: sent me a big flower bouquet, he says, and revealed
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Speaker 2: that the note from the musician said get well soon, MOFO.
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Speaker 2: Love you. The gesture left a lasting impression on jelly Roll,
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Speaker 2: and he said, I love Post. When I say on
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Speaker 2: stage every night that post Malone is the nicest human
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Speaker 2: in the world, I'm not making that up. He is
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Speaker 2: the most normal dude in the world. Like I love
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Speaker 2: you Post. Okay. So this update came days before the
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Speaker 2: news surface that Jelly Roll and his wife Bunny Exo,
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Speaker 2: are divorcing. The country star filed for divorce in Tennessee
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Speaker 2: on May eighteenth. According to the documents that were obtained
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Speaker 2: by people, the filing lists May ninth as the couple's
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Speaker 2: date of separation and cites irreconcilable differences as the grounds
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Speaker 2: for the divorce. After news of the filing became public,
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Speaker 2: Jelly Roll also removed Bunny's name from his Instagram bio.
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Speaker 2: The singers bio previously included music Man, a locking key emoji,
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Speaker 2: and Buddy's Instagram handle. It's now just simply music Man.
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Speaker 2: So what do you think about you know, first of
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Speaker 2: all the fact that these two are divorcing, and second
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Speaker 2: of all, I think this is kind of also just
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Speaker 2: a sign of like the stress that divorce can put
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Speaker 2: on your body. Like you know what I mean, Like,
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Speaker 2: do you remember when you were going through it? Were
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Speaker 2: you feeling sick all the time? Were you was it
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Speaker 2: hard to like keep your energy and your stamina up
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Speaker 2: because you had so much like additional pressure on your shoulders?
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Speaker 2: What was your experience?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't feeling well last fall, and I
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Speaker 1: had to also go on steroids, and I just was
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Speaker 1: in like my whole mindset was just like fight or flight,
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Speaker 1: you know, if I was like in such fear mode,
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Speaker 1: of making sure that I was going to be healthy
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Speaker 1: and safe to care of myself, but also travel and
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Speaker 1: do the things that I also had to do for work,
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Speaker 1: because you can't just be like, Okay, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to work. And so I actually feel really badly for
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Speaker 1: him that she's not there for him. I mean, there
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Speaker 1: must have been something else, because this is not like
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Speaker 1: people again, Like people don't just get divorced on a Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: There must have been some kind of build up. But
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Speaker 1: you know, the fact that he gets sick and that
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Speaker 1: he can't rely on his partner is really like, it's
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Speaker 1: not good. I've heard so many stories of people not
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Speaker 1: being able to rely on their partners. It's just it's
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Speaker 1: not a vibe. It's really bad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to address that. Some of the
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Speaker 2: latest news, Page six is reporting Bunny Exo's latest move
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Speaker 2: after Jelly real divorce raises eyebrows. This is so messy,
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Speaker 2: it says, Bunny Exo, confused fans with her latest social
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Speaker 2: media move, a month after her estranged husband filed for divorce.
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Speaker 2: She's the podcast host. Her podcast is called dumb Blonde,
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Speaker 2: and it says that she uploaded a TikTok video where
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Speaker 2: she sang along to Jelly Rolls No Limit Freestyle while
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Speaker 2: out to dinner with friends, and then wrote podcasts coming
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Speaker 2: hashtag Jelly and Bunny. She cryptically captioned the post hinting
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Speaker 2: that fans will finally know the truth about their split
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Speaker 2: if they tune in.
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Speaker 1: So she's seating there's split well to sensationalize her podcast.
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Speaker 1: That is awful.
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Speaker 2: You can have your opinions on that, but I will
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Speaker 2: say that as a musician, right, where did they draw
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Speaker 2: their inspiration from for songwriting? Usually from pain and things
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Speaker 2: that they go through, So there's I would say that
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Speaker 2: there's probably no way he's not at some point going
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Speaker 2: this is going to seep into what he does to
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Speaker 2: make an income. I kind of am like, if she's
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Speaker 2: got a podcast and she's now going to be a
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Speaker 2: single woman and she needs to capitalize and make some money,
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Speaker 2: do it. As long as she's speaking her truth right,
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Speaker 2: They're both going to have differing opinions. It's very rare,
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Speaker 2: right that we have a divorce couple that is on
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Speaker 2: the exact same page with what happened. They're probably gonna
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Speaker 2: have differing opinions, and probably it sounds like he's the
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Speaker 2: one who filed, so he was the instigator or the
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Speaker 2: initiator in this, and you know, maybe she's got a
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Speaker 2: lot to say about that.
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Speaker 1: I just feel that, you know, putting it on social media,
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Speaker 1: I just feel like the world is changing where you know,
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Speaker 1: there aren't really any boundaries anymore. People can kind of
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Speaker 1: say what they want so that they're bringing attention to
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Speaker 1: their business. And I understand that that is part of
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Speaker 1: that of that strategy. It's just I don't I just
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Speaker 1: I just find it to be it's heartbreaking. I just
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Speaker 1: find to be heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: Well, it looks like some people agree with you in
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Speaker 2: the comments. They're calling it messy, you know, and in
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Speaker 2: my comments, So.
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Speaker 1: I just think it's I just think it's better to
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Speaker 1: have a statement and you know, stay with that statement
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Speaker 1: and things afterwards, like unfortunately had this my podcast is
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Speaker 1: coming out to talk about it. I love that, But
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Speaker 1: just to get divorced and be like, by the way,
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Speaker 1: stay tuned. I don't know, it's a little heartless.
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Speaker 2: To each their own. That's your POV. Let's we'll have
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Speaker 2: to follow this story because clearly it's still developing. I
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Speaker 2: would love to, but let's move on to the next one,
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Speaker 2: because I actually couldn't believe when I put this headline in.
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Speaker 2: This is so bizarre, it says the pop star Catherine
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Speaker 2: Lanassa says ghost of ex husband Dennis Hopper haunted her.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever been haunted by an X? Have you
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Speaker 2: like Kelly? Have you ever been haunted by an ex?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been haunted by an ex. Ever,
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Speaker 1: I've probably haunted them. They're like not so.
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Speaker 2: She recently told this story during an interview because she
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Speaker 2: was married to Dennis Hopper from nineteen eighty nine to
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, and she says that he repeatedly appeared
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Speaker 2: to her after his twenty ten death. She said, I
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Speaker 2: do believe in ghosts. She told w magazine, the ghost
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Speaker 2: of Dennis Hopper would not leave me alone for a
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Speaker 2: really long time. He visited me first in ways that
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Speaker 2: were scary. He came one time looking like when he
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Speaker 2: was at the Academy Awards. He was in a wheelchair
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Speaker 2: and he fell down and it was super upsetting. The
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Speaker 2: actress went on to explain that though she and Hopper
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Speaker 2: had been divorced, she was the last wife that he'd
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Speaker 2: been with that he wasn't currently divorcing. That sounds complicated.
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Speaker 1: Well, I actually know his last wife, his daughter. You
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Speaker 1: do many times.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 1: He was lovely and his ex wife was amazing, and
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Speaker 1: his daughter is fantastic. She was the editor of L.
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Speaker 1: She was one of the editors of L. His daughter.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know this. I don't know this. The
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Speaker 1: second wife, I mean, she maybe was the longest standing wife,
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Speaker 1: but she wasn't the last wife. Victoria is the.
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Speaker 2: Last wife, Okay, but she's claiming that he was in
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Speaker 2: the process of divorcing that wife. Is basically yeah, it
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Speaker 2: looks like him and Victoria were separated before his death,
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Speaker 2: and it says that Catherine, who did this interview, she's
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Speaker 2: claiming I was the last wife that he'd had, that
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Speaker 2: he wasn't in the process of divorcing. So he was
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Speaker 2: in the process of leaving his current wife when he passed,
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Speaker 2: is what she's saying.
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Speaker 1: So she just got divorced from him, but his but
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Speaker 1: his his last wife, they were separating. So it's I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna usiz.
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Speaker 2: I think she's just trying to explain why she was
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Speaker 2: feeling like maybe so connected because clearly they've been divorced
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Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety two. He passes in twenty ten, and
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Speaker 2: then she says that she's getting all these you know,
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Speaker 2: connection She's trying to say basically, that he was coming
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Speaker 2: to her in these dreams. That's what she's alluding to.
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Speaker 1: Well, that does happen in dreams? That does? I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, dreams are a synthesization of your emotions. What
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Speaker 1: happens throughout the day. The day is kind of what
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Speaker 1: happens when you are in your dream state. And so
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Speaker 1: I can understand that there was some kind of anxiety
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Speaker 1: or fear, or if she was having abandonment, or if
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Speaker 1: she was having pain or whatever it was, maybe it
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Speaker 1: was being manifested in her ex because you know, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was like he was that object that was like,
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Speaker 1: you're the one that's causing me pain. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but I mean I can play
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Speaker 1: one on TV.
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Speaker 2: Well it seems like she plays one on TV. Too.
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Speaker 2: But do you believe in ghosts?
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Speaker 1: Do I believe in ghosts? No? I don't. I don't believe.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a past loved one come to
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Speaker 2: you in a dream?
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Speaker 1: I have. I have had like my mother come to
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Speaker 1: me and tell me what to do.
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Speaker 2: And it was accurate. Yes, my mother, my past mother,
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Speaker 2: has also come to me in dreams. She has, but
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Speaker 2: we've we don't speak when she doesn't speak to me
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Speaker 2: in the dreams. She's quiet. But we've hugged before in
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Speaker 2: the dreams, because I've said, the most vivid one I
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Speaker 2: can remember was I walked into her kitchen and she
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Speaker 2: was there, and she turned around and I said, what
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Speaker 2: are you doing here? And we just hugged and that
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Speaker 2: was it. So dreams are powerful, and you know, I'm
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Speaker 2: also not a doctor, so I don't know how they
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Speaker 2: work and how things come to us, but you know,
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Speaker 2: I know, But it's like, right, it's it's interesting because
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Speaker 2: you know, I've had those dreams at different points. I
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Speaker 2: had them, you know, uh not I had them at
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Speaker 2: a distance after she passed, But then I've had them
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Speaker 2: throughout the years, you know what I mean, Not when
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Speaker 2: it was necessarily fresh. But what she's describing it sounds
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Speaker 2: like is when it happened right after his death. So clearly,
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Speaker 2: you know, I would think that he was on her
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Speaker 2: mind a lot.
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Speaker 1: Right, and there seemed to be like a lot of
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously, there was like fear of abandonment, even
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Speaker 1: though he was they were already divorced. There. You know
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Speaker 1: that when that person that you have been with for
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Speaker 1: X amount of years passes, you still have abandonment issues
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Speaker 1: from that obvious clearly you're he was that person was
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Speaker 1: in your life, So I can understand why she was
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Speaker 1: feeling the way she was feeling. I just don't know
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Speaker 1: if I feel like he would be this is it's
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Speaker 1: very her, but her dream is very, very very clear.
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Speaker 1: Yours is like an emotion. Hers has clarity to it,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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Speaker 2: Well. She goes on to say, he used to come
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Speaker 2: over me in a sweat, and I told him he
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Speaker 2: had to leave me alone, and then he did, she continues,
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Speaker 2: and then I felt really weird about it. And then
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Speaker 2: the day that I told someone how weird I felt
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Speaker 2: about it, I walked home in an odd way and
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Speaker 2: ran into a gallery that had all of his photographs up.
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Speaker 2: There was a photograph of him in the very back
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Speaker 2: of the gallery with a fedora on winking at the camera.
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Speaker 2: So I felt like he was letting me go. But
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Speaker 2: she says that wasn't the last time he visited her.
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Speaker 2: She then recalled a dream where they were both in
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Speaker 2: a cafeteria in Greece, and he told me that he
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Speaker 2: was okay and that he wasn't in pain anymore, and
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Speaker 2: he was good and I never heard from him again. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, I mean very interesting and very lovely by the way,
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Speaker 1: I mean really very like cinematic almost. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean I have never had anything like that. I
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Speaker 1: mean I'm an avoidant, ID be able.
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Speaker 2: To have those.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, what, who? I don't know? You.
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Speaker 2: Well, drop us a comment or send us an email
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Speaker 2: if you've ever had the ghost of an ex haunt you,
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Speaker 2: or come to you, because we'd love to hear their stories.
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Speaker 1: Move on. So, Olivia Wilde recalls a traumatizing moment she
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Speaker 1: was served papers from Jason Tadakas on stage four years ago.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember this? This was like a huge headline moment.
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Speaker 2: What just happened?
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Speaker 1: I know? So just recapping four years ago after one
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Speaker 1: of her most upsetting moments, Olivia Wilde is looking back
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Speaker 1: on being served legal papers from her ex Jason Toadakas,
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Speaker 1: while on stage at CinemaCon in twenty twenty two. She says,
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Speaker 1: I will never forget one of the most ft, blank
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Speaker 1: up things that I went through among so much among
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Speaker 1: so many was that I was served papers on stage.
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Speaker 2: And she says it was incredibly traumatizing, so traumatizing. What
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Speaker 2: was crazy about this? And I had to look it up?
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Speaker 2: They were actually never married.
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Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that. I thought they were.
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Speaker 2: He served her with child like child custody papers because
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Speaker 2: they have two children together, So they were actually never married.
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Speaker 2: And she goes on to say, basically she was on
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Speaker 2: call her daddy. And she goes on to say that
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Speaker 2: like her ex obviously didn't know when she was going
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Speaker 2: to be served with these papers, like he's not in
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Speaker 2: control of this or anything like that, but you know,
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Speaker 2: it's really horrific to think about that she would get
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Speaker 2: that live on camera. And then she says, she says,
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Speaker 2: I remember, like a couple months later, I met Tom
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Speaker 2: Cruise and he was like, Hi, I'm tomd Up. What
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Speaker 2: happened to you in Vegas? Tom Cruise?
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Speaker 1: Oh? Like she became more famous from it. But it
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Speaker 1: can mean on stage you're promoting a movie. Don't worry, Darling.
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Speaker 1: That's that's not fair. That's just this is not fair.
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Speaker 2: That was a very strange thing.
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Speaker 1: And I don't get I don't get why it had
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Speaker 1: to be like that. I don't does does he want?
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Speaker 1: I mean that just haints him is such a bad picture.
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Speaker 1: Why would he wanted to drop like that?
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Speaker 2: He had nothing to do with it. So it's the
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Speaker 2: company that or whoever does the serving, it's their job
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Speaker 2: to find the person. But I don't think that they're
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Speaker 2: supposed to get themselves into like a a con and
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Speaker 2: get on stage and go that route. I think that's
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Speaker 2: a little extreme.
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Speaker 1: It's like Bravo con stuff, not CinemaCon.
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Speaker 2: No, it's it's all bad. She also revealed though, in
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Speaker 2: the same interview on Call Her Daddy about where her
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Speaker 2: co parenting is with Jason and how it has shifted
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Speaker 2: kind of her mindset. So they have two kids, like
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Speaker 2: I was saying, and she basically opened up and said,
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Speaker 2: I really value the opportunity to be completely present with
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Speaker 2: her kids and then to hand them off to a
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Speaker 2: very capable co parent who is very present with them
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Speaker 2: when he's with them. Then I have this space, which
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Speaker 2: is permission to then go work my fucking ass off.
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Speaker 2: And then she went on to say that the kids
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Speaker 2: get the best of them and that they are co
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Speaker 2: parenting really well together. She says, I actually find this
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Speaker 2: divvying up of responsibility in a way can allow for
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Speaker 2: really amazing parenting. Because we are always our best with
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Speaker 2: our kids, they get the best of us. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we are great faking co parents. She goes on to say, which, listen,
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Speaker 2: I think that's wonderful. Yeah, I think that's wonderful that
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Speaker 2: she's gotten, that they've both gotten to that place that
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Speaker 2: is not typical. You are a perfect example, Kelly of
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Speaker 2: you did not have that kind of co parenting situation
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Speaker 2: and you had to raise your two girls by yourself.
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Speaker 2: It just goes to show that parenting is the hardest
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Speaker 2: job on the plan, and we need to lift up
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Speaker 2: single moms and dads as much as we can because
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Speaker 2: they're doing a lot. They're doing the job of two
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Speaker 2: by themselves, whether they have a co parent that's involved
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Speaker 2: or not. It's a lot for one person to take on.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's great that they're there and that
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Speaker 2: inspires other people that are out there, maybe on their journey,
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Speaker 2: that they can get there as well. But as a celebrity,
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Speaker 2: I also want to note that she's probably got assistants, nanny's,
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Speaker 2: you know, personal chef, and all those kinds of things
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Speaker 2: that are also in her arsenal, which you know is helpful,
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Speaker 2: but it's great to hear that they've you know, come
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Speaker 2: a long way, it sounds like in the last four years.
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Speaker 1: I think it's also to your point. I think as
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Speaker 1: a celebrity, I think it's great to hear that celebrities
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Speaker 1: are doing that. I think real people like myself, not
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Speaker 1: that she's not a real person, but I'm on reality.
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Speaker 1: She's an actor. I'm not an actor, And you know,
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Speaker 1: when you are doing these things yourself, you know, like
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Speaker 1: my fuse was short all the time. I mean, like
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Speaker 1: I would be filming and I would just be like,
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Speaker 1: I've got kids in the car, like can we get
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Speaker 1: this scene done? Like I have to leave, And you know,
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Speaker 1: it just was very difficult to raise children, provide for them,
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Speaker 1: you know, do all these different activities, whether it was
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Speaker 1: writing or television, whatever it was, and all at the
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Speaker 1: same time, seven days a week.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the job that never ends.
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Speaker 1: And I know that other people have it worse. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say it poor me, because I'm
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Speaker 1: proud of who I am, but I mean there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of people who are really really struggling with that
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Speaker 1: one man band. But I'm happy that they are able
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Speaker 1: to like have great careers and you know, love their children.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's nothing more beautiful than that.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, our next headline was kind of surprising. The
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Speaker 2: Valley's Michelle shares rare update on surprise relationship with doctor Dre.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: We covered this when they were first snapped by the
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Speaker 2: paparazzi a couple of months ago. I mean, what do
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Speaker 2: you think? First, just off the bat, are you watching
21:12
Speaker 2: the Valley? Have you seen the Valley?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love the Valley. Yeah, I've been so.
21:17
Speaker 2: You've been watching her whole demise.
21:20
Speaker 1: But I have watched many episodes and I literally am
21:23
Speaker 1: obsessed with the Valley. I'm like, I can move to
21:25
Speaker 1: the Valley. List that looks great.
21:27
Speaker 2: Fun, don't don't move to the Valley. But we've obviously
21:31
Speaker 2: watched her entire marriage collapse with Jesse since the beginning
21:36
Speaker 2: of the show, and last season we saw her very
21:41
Speaker 2: quickly get into another relationship. She introduced the honey Gut
21:45
Speaker 2: and remember he was the honey guy and he was
21:48
Speaker 2: really involved in like her kid's life and like as
21:51
Speaker 2: soon as cameras we're down, like he broke up with
21:54
Speaker 2: her like so, and then Jesse's already in another relationship,
21:59
Speaker 2: and you know, we've I haven't watched too much of
22:01
Speaker 2: this season, but what I did see didn't look like
22:04
Speaker 2: they were great. And this kind of this article kind
22:07
Speaker 2: of alludes to that as well. But so she was
22:12
Speaker 2: snapped with doctor.
22:13
Speaker 1: Dre like doctor Drey, like the iconic doctor Drey, Like
22:19
Speaker 1: what doctor Drey. He's like the icon of all icons.
22:23
Speaker 2: I just think it's an interesting pairing. I guess. Yeah.
22:27
Speaker 2: So it says she split my boyfriend Aaron, that's the
22:31
Speaker 2: honey guy, and was about to finalize her divorce from Jesse.
22:35
Speaker 2: She was in a better place than ever before. She says,
22:37
Speaker 2: I was very excited about everything. She says about the
22:41
Speaker 2: start of this season. I just felt like I was
22:44
Speaker 2: released of so much trauma from my past and let
22:47
Speaker 2: it all go. I did a lot of therapy. I
22:50
Speaker 2: was just ready for a brand new chapter.
22:53
Speaker 1: So my question is, are we going to be seeing
22:55
Speaker 1: doctor Dre on the Valley?
22:58
Speaker 2: Hell? No, okay, we are. I'm there, but no, there's
23:03
Speaker 2: absolutely no way that that is happening. But basically, I
23:07
Speaker 2: saw she was on Watch What Happens Live. I think
23:09
Speaker 2: this week too, and She said that they met through
23:14
Speaker 2: mutual friends and she was just being super coy and
23:18
Speaker 2: just kept being like, he's a great guy. He's a
23:20
Speaker 2: great guy. In this article, when she was asked about
23:23
Speaker 2: co parenting with Jesse, she says, I try not to
23:27
Speaker 2: really have a relationship with him unless it has to
23:31
Speaker 2: be about our daughter. We don't text, we won't see
23:34
Speaker 2: each other unless, like Isabella has a school function, then
23:38
Speaker 2: we'll go and we'll sit next to each other. We
23:40
Speaker 2: definitely have our moments. He still makes me upset at
23:43
Speaker 2: times and it's hard to navigate, but I just focus
23:46
Speaker 2: on myself. Don't get me wrong. We definitely fight here
23:49
Speaker 2: and there, but we're much better than before. I'm gonna
23:52
Speaker 2: beg to differ that you see him more than that
23:54
Speaker 2: because you co star on a reality show together, So
23:57
Speaker 2: I see him more than I believe that. You don't
24:02
Speaker 2: know that filming scenes correct exactly exactly.
24:05
Speaker 1: Thank you for the no text, but you're communicating.
24:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, they film in the summertime, so yeah. Her rare comment, Okay,
24:13
Speaker 2: this is where I jumped ahead. Uh. She says, we're
24:18
Speaker 2: spending time together. This is about doctor Dre. She says,
24:20
Speaker 2: we're spending time together and we love being in each
24:23
Speaker 2: other's company. And then again she says they met through
24:26
Speaker 2: mutual friends. Then it says that her ex Jesse, was
24:31
Speaker 2: asked by TMZ, you know, days after the two of
24:35
Speaker 2: them were snapped at Noboo Malibu, and he says to
24:38
Speaker 2: TMZ he did not get a heads up about the
24:42
Speaker 2: couple's relationship and saw the images for the first time
24:45
Speaker 2: on social media the same way everyone else did. So
24:50
Speaker 2: I ask you this, Say you're in her situation. You
24:54
Speaker 2: have a young child, right, her child is their child?
24:57
Speaker 2: Is like in elementary school, you start dating somebody uber famous,
25:05
Speaker 2: you get snapped by the paparazzi. You know you're snapped
25:08
Speaker 2: by the paparazzi because they're in the parking lot when
25:11
Speaker 2: you come out right of having dinner, Right, do you
25:16
Speaker 2: give your ex a heads up?
25:18
Speaker 1: I mean, my ex is you know, while you know
25:22
Speaker 1: so much older. But I would definitely say, like, I
25:24
Speaker 1: just want you to know I was photographed with someone,
25:28
Speaker 1: you know, just so you know I would not I'm not,
25:30
Speaker 1: but I'm that kind of person, Like I'm a like
25:33
Speaker 1: I'm a permission person, not a forgiveness person. So I
25:36
Speaker 1: would be like, this is what's happening.
25:38
Speaker 2: I just think, like, I just think it's strange that
25:43
Speaker 2: she didn't tell her ex, Like, I understand you, I
25:46
Speaker 2: understand you. You don't like your ex. I get it.
25:50
Speaker 2: But let me remind you. You co star on a
25:52
Speaker 2: reality show with your ex.
25:54
Speaker 1: Well, you film together, you.
25:56
Speaker 2: Film together, you share a child together. I just think
26:00
Speaker 2: it's like, you don't have to go into the details
26:03
Speaker 2: about your relationship with doctor Gray. But I literally think
26:07
Speaker 2: that you need to be like, hey, just FYI, I'm
26:10
Speaker 2: kind of seeing doctor Dre right now. It's new and
26:14
Speaker 2: we were snapped by the paparazzi. You don't have to
26:17
Speaker 2: say any You could literally block your ex right after
26:19
Speaker 2: you send that text message so he can't respond.
26:22
Speaker 1: I love that your.
26:24
Speaker 2: Ex is on a reality show. Look at this. TMZ
26:27
Speaker 2: literally stopped him two days later, and he now he's like,
26:30
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I just think it's weird, Michelle.
26:33
Speaker 2: I just think it's a little weird.
26:35
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I can't believe that she's doing that.
26:42
Speaker 1: But I guess it's more. I guess Michelle is like,
26:46
Speaker 1: it's more fodder for the show. It's more, you know,
26:48
Speaker 1: when we can fight about it, Like, but it's also
26:51
Speaker 1: kind of weird too, because it's like it just keeps it.
26:54
Speaker 1: It's giving me unfinished business. So it's like you're so
26:58
Speaker 1: removed and you can't tell your what's going on why
27:01
Speaker 1: so you can create some kind of underpinning of drama
27:05
Speaker 1: between the two of you. So you're going to do
27:07
Speaker 1: what win.
27:09
Speaker 2: I think it's given casual. I think she's actually not
27:12
Speaker 2: that seriously dating him, or that maybe he's like dating
27:15
Speaker 2: other people, and I think that she like is trying
27:19
Speaker 2: to save face and like not talk about it a
27:23
Speaker 2: lot because it's actually not that serious. On Watch What
27:27
Speaker 2: Happens Live, Andy asked if doctor Dre had like met
27:32
Speaker 2: her kid, and she was like, no, So I mean, so, Michelle,
27:39
Speaker 2: I will give you a round of applause that you're
27:41
Speaker 2: doing things differently than with your last boyfriend, who, like
27:45
Speaker 2: you were bringing him into the mix right away. So
27:48
Speaker 2: maybe she's just like she's learned something. But anyways, our
27:52
Speaker 2: next headline says Katie Perry says falling in love with
27:56
Speaker 2: Justin Trudeau transformed me after a pretty tough year. Now,
28:02
Speaker 2: remember Katie Perry was married to Russell brand Yes, then divorced,
28:09
Speaker 2: then long engagement with Orlando Bloom, who she had a
28:13
Speaker 2: daughter with, and then they called off their engagement and
28:18
Speaker 2: broke up. Now she's with former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
28:22
Speaker 2: and he was previously married to a woman named Sophie
28:28
Speaker 2: and they have three children and they've been separated since
28:32
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. So that's just the headlines of their
28:37
Speaker 2: relationship history. But Katie was recently on a podcast called Unfamous,
28:43
Speaker 2: and she said that I have love in my life now.
28:47
Speaker 2: That transformed me. She when asked about how she has
28:52
Speaker 2: changed as a songwriter through the years, she said, you
28:55
Speaker 2: think when the Beatles say all you need is love,
28:59
Speaker 2: it's cliche. Cliches are cliches for a reason. It's like,
29:03
Speaker 2: you don't know until you have your baby how beautiful
29:06
Speaker 2: that experience is and how it transforms you.
29:09
Speaker 1: Wait, I love that though.
29:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a great.
29:13
Speaker 1: Lyric by the way, Yeah, did I just say that
29:16
Speaker 1: out loud.
29:17
Speaker 2: She's been dating Justin since summer of twenty twenty five,
29:21
Speaker 2: and she went on to say, I am constantly in transformation,
29:24
Speaker 2: and I have so many placements of scorpio in my
29:28
Speaker 2: chart that it would be easy for me to go
29:31
Speaker 2: to this dark side. She said, I'm constantly rebirthing, constantly transforming, constantly,
29:37
Speaker 2: you know, Phoenix to ashes and then hopefully an eagle.
29:41
Speaker 2: She says about her you know, relationship with Orlando bloom Ending,
29:46
Speaker 2: she says, I don't typically feel like a victim. You
29:49
Speaker 2: can hear it in my songs that I don't resonate
29:52
Speaker 2: with that. But last year was pretty tough. It would
29:55
Speaker 2: have been easy for me to fall into that weird
29:58
Speaker 2: victim triangle. So instead of falling into woe is Me,
30:02
Speaker 2: I was like, let's just feel this sing pain, Let's
30:06
Speaker 2: feel this anger, and let's move on. Let's learn from it. Also,
30:10
Speaker 2: let's get some feedback from it. So this is what
30:14
Speaker 2: I think is interesting, and I want to get your
30:16
Speaker 2: taked on this.
30:17
Speaker 1: Sorry, I have to tell you. Are those also some
30:20
Speaker 1: iconic lyrics as well.
30:23
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's in songwriting mode for sure, but I
30:26
Speaker 2: want to get your take on this because she's coming
30:30
Speaker 2: out of this long engagement with let's call it a marriage.
30:34
Speaker 2: It's common, you know, long marriage. I think when you
30:36
Speaker 2: have a child with somebody and you're living with somebody
30:39
Speaker 2: the child. Having a child with somebody is the more
30:44
Speaker 2: serious commitment in my eyes, like marriage, can be ending
30:49
Speaker 2: in divorce. A child is forever. You are now forever
30:53
Speaker 2: linked to somebody. So she's coming out of that, he's
30:57
Speaker 2: coming out of his marriage. The two of them, I
31:02
Speaker 2: don't know, trauma, bond over their shared pain and find
31:06
Speaker 2: love in each other. It's very reminiscent I think of
31:09
Speaker 2: like when I think of other celebrity couples, it's like
31:13
Speaker 2: Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton, Like they both kind of
31:16
Speaker 2: fell in love as they were coming out of their divorces,
31:21
Speaker 2: and Gwen is pretty They've both been pretty open about
31:23
Speaker 2: how They've never said point blank what they connected on,
31:28
Speaker 2: but they've alluded to the fact that they both experienced
31:31
Speaker 2: something very similar in their marriages, and that's kind of
31:35
Speaker 2: what bonded them together. Do you think it's Do you
31:41
Speaker 2: think you should start dating when somebody is separated? Do
31:47
Speaker 2: you think that a trauma bond like this is actually
31:51
Speaker 2: a good foundation for a relationship.
31:55
Speaker 1: So that's two questions. Do I think people should date
31:57
Speaker 1: when they're separated?
31:58
Speaker 2: No?
31:59
Speaker 1: I mean I know that after I was separated, I
32:02
Speaker 1: was such a mess trying to figure my own self out.
32:06
Speaker 1: I mean, not even putting into consideration my children, are
32:09
Speaker 1: financial future all these things, But I mean, I was
32:15
Speaker 1: I was so scarred by the relationship that I had
32:19
Speaker 1: had with my ex and I cared about him very much.
32:22
Speaker 1: I trusted him, and when I met guys afterwards, I
32:29
Speaker 1: did not trust them, I mean, and furthermore, I didn't
32:31
Speaker 1: even see them. I was just like they were like, oh, yeah,
32:35
Speaker 1: you're like the new hot thing because you're divorced. Everyone
32:38
Speaker 1: wants to date me. And I was like, wow, that
32:39
Speaker 1: really makes me feel really good. No, so I can
32:44
Speaker 1: see and now in the trauma bond if there if
32:46
Speaker 1: I had met someone during that period who was bonding
32:52
Speaker 1: with me over the trauma that I was going through
32:55
Speaker 1: and helping me navigate those uncharted territory and wild waters,
33:01
Speaker 1: I probably would have gotten me married quickly. But it
33:06
Speaker 1: was always just like I was so like, like, what
33:11
Speaker 1: are what are they trying to do? What do they
33:12
Speaker 1: you know? They just want to date me because I'm
33:13
Speaker 1: well known. They wanted to date me because I'm new
33:16
Speaker 1: blood and flesh, and I just was very And it's
33:21
Speaker 1: not negative. I was very I was very afraid. It
33:23
Speaker 1: was very afraid. So I love the lyrics that she's writing.
33:28
Speaker 1: She's pretty definitely listen to that song.
33:32
Speaker 2: I've never been divorced. You've said that a handful of
33:36
Speaker 2: times on this podcast, But I think that it's odd
33:42
Speaker 2: to me when people relationship jump, when people go from
33:49
Speaker 2: something directly into something else. Seriously, I think that single
33:57
Speaker 2: hood is scary for a lot of people. And I
34:01
Speaker 2: say that because what keeps people in bad marriages the
34:06
Speaker 2: idea of being single. It's something that people really try
34:11
Speaker 2: to avoid because it's not necessarily fun. It can be
34:17
Speaker 2: empowering later in the journey, but when you're first in it,
34:22
Speaker 2: it's not fun. And I think that there's a lot
34:27
Speaker 2: of times and I know these people I know, I
34:32
Speaker 2: know divorced people that relationship hop constantly, that are constantly
34:37
Speaker 2: moving in with somebody new, packing up, moving getting into
34:41
Speaker 2: another relationship and just on this merry go round. And
34:45
Speaker 2: it's because they can't sit in the silence of singlehood.
34:52
Speaker 2: And that's what this is. I mean, I if this
34:56
Speaker 2: is love and this is something that's going to be
34:59
Speaker 2: great for them and the law long term. Great this
35:02
Speaker 2: is we're coming up It sounds like we're coming up
35:04
Speaker 2: on a year of them having been together, because they
35:06
Speaker 2: got together in summer of last year, so I think
35:10
Speaker 2: that's great for them. And you know, how do we know,
35:13
Speaker 2: like how long her relationship with Orlando Bloom was like
35:16
Speaker 2: on the rocks and like it was like maybe they
35:19
Speaker 2: were living separate lives for a long time before they
35:22
Speaker 2: actually publicly acknowledged that they weren't together. We don't know
35:25
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But I find it interesting for
35:29
Speaker 2: people that are able to relationship hop because for myself,
35:35
Speaker 2: it's not something I can relate to it. I have
35:38
Speaker 2: to process what is happening and it is extremely difficult
35:43
Speaker 2: for me to turn off feelings. And I just find
35:48
Speaker 2: it interesting. So if you're listening and you have been
35:51
Speaker 2: a relationship hopper your whole life, drop us an email
35:55
Speaker 2: or leave a comment about how you're able to do that,
35:58
Speaker 2: if it's been successful for you, if there is, if
36:01
Speaker 2: you're wanting to stop doing that and you're wanting to
36:04
Speaker 2: try and sit in the single life, if you've never
36:07
Speaker 2: done that and you've wanted to try it, please let
36:10
Speaker 2: us know, because again, that's not something that I've ever experienced,
36:13
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of fascinated by people that are able
36:16
Speaker 2: to do it, But I also feel like it doesn't
36:20
Speaker 2: promote growth and processing of emotions when you're constantly jumping.
36:27
Speaker 2: That's just my take as a not doctor now as a.
36:30
Speaker 1: Non doctor doctor, doctor, I I listen. I think I
36:34
Speaker 1: think you're spot on. I think relationship hopping is I mean,
36:37
Speaker 1: obviously you're doing that for a reason. I have to say.
36:41
Speaker 1: I mean this sounds cliche, but you know, being alone
36:46
Speaker 1: is lonely. And I think what is what you're What
36:50
Speaker 1: is so great about what you're saying is that really
36:53
Speaker 1: knowing who you are when you're sitting still, knowing what
36:57
Speaker 1: you want, Knowing what makes you the best version of you,
37:01
Speaker 1: what makes you the worst version of you. Really being
37:03
Speaker 1: able to like settle in with those kind of feelings
37:06
Speaker 1: I think is very, very very important to having a
37:10
Speaker 1: new relationship. I think people just do it because they're
37:13
Speaker 1: just like, I don't care about my feelings. I just
37:15
Speaker 1: want to be with someone because I don't want to
37:17
Speaker 1: be alone and I don't want to be lonely.
37:20
Speaker 2: Well, and especially if you've been in a long term
37:23
Speaker 2: marriage or relationship, the idea of going from having somebody
37:30
Speaker 2: that you went to the grocery store with, ate dinner with,
37:35
Speaker 2: you know, went you know, and did vacations with, to
37:38
Speaker 2: not having somebody by your side is a big difference.
37:44
Speaker 2: And if you've never experienced life going to restaurants alone,
37:48
Speaker 2: traveling alone, and I mean alone, I don't mean as
37:52
Speaker 2: you're the single person on a trip with other couples.
37:56
Speaker 2: I mean traveling by yourself, eating at a restaurant during
38:01
Speaker 2: the daytime at a table, not getting to go food
38:05
Speaker 2: by yourself, going to a comedy show by yourself, and
38:10
Speaker 2: sitting at a table like if you have not experienced
38:13
Speaker 2: these things ever, and now you find yourself divorced and
38:19
Speaker 2: everybody you know is still married and in these couples,
38:22
Speaker 2: and now it's either you third wheel it or you
38:25
Speaker 2: do things by yourself. I know that that can be daunting,
38:29
Speaker 2: and that is why I think a lot of people
38:31
Speaker 2: jump into something right away, whether it feels right or not.
38:35
Speaker 2: But anyways, like I said, I'd love to hear from
38:37
Speaker 2: you guys about if you do that, why you do that,
38:40
Speaker 2: if you've wanted to try that, why that seems appealing
38:43
Speaker 2: to you.
38:43
Speaker 1: If run hopping is a big thing though, because I
38:45
Speaker 1: am single, if anyone thinks that I should be should
38:48
Speaker 1: be hopping from person to person, let me know. Yeah,
38:53
Speaker 1: I want to hear your thoughts too.
38:54
Speaker 2: Let us know. I mean personally, I'm just going to
38:57
Speaker 2: say that the people that I know that do it
39:00
Speaker 2: don't have success. I have not seen a successful relationship.
39:05
Speaker 2: And I know somebody else that always had somebody waiting
39:09
Speaker 2: in the wings before they broke up with somebody, you know.
39:13
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it serves people well, but
39:16
Speaker 2: if you are a success story from that, tell us
39:19
Speaker 2: about it. Our final headline is from the Queen of Love,
39:33
Speaker 2: She Loves Love. It's Jennifer Lopez and she says that
39:37
Speaker 2: she told herself, you need to fucking figure yourself out
39:42
Speaker 2: after her divorce from Ben Affleck. So she was on
39:47
Speaker 2: SmartLess this week, and you know, she was talking and
39:52
Speaker 2: it's interesting that she's talking about this because her and Ben,
39:57
Speaker 2: I think, do not talk a lot about the divorce
40:02
Speaker 2: or their reconciliation and then split again. So Sean Hayes
40:07
Speaker 2: asked her what happened, and uh, she said, that's for
40:12
Speaker 2: a different time, which she was laughing though when she
40:15
Speaker 2: said it. And she said, you come over, we have
40:19
Speaker 2: a glass of wine and you come to the new house.
40:21
Speaker 2: It's amazing. And then she's like alluding to that, she
40:24
Speaker 2: said she's experienced a very emotional time in recent months,
40:28
Speaker 2: in part because her children, Emmy and Max, who she
40:33
Speaker 2: had with Mark Anthony, are going to be going to college.
40:37
Speaker 2: Uh So she's in that transitional period of, you know,
40:40
Speaker 2: kind of becoming an empty nester, and she says, I'm
40:43
Speaker 2: also staring down what is my life? You know now
40:47
Speaker 2: the past twenty years it's been one thing. The past
40:50
Speaker 2: five years have been a tumult, and then the last
40:53
Speaker 2: two years has been kind of the healing process from
40:57
Speaker 2: that tumult, where I really get to know myself. The
41:01
Speaker 2: person I am today is so different than the person
41:04
Speaker 2: I was even two years ago. It's crazy. And now
41:08
Speaker 2: I can really look at life, appreciate it for what
41:11
Speaker 2: it is and what I've created for myself, and really
41:14
Speaker 2: be happy. She also noted that there have been times
41:18
Speaker 2: in her life when she felt like my life blew
41:20
Speaker 2: up in my own face, without naming specific moments. It
41:25
Speaker 2: was because of the choices I made, but also because
41:28
Speaker 2: of the fact that I had things that needed to
41:30
Speaker 2: change about myself that I didn't understand or recognize, that
41:34
Speaker 2: was attracting certain things and attracting a certain type of
41:37
Speaker 2: experience into my life. So I want to give myself
41:40
Speaker 2: that credit too. But there comes a point where it's
41:43
Speaker 2: all so puzzling and wrong where you have to sit there.
41:47
Speaker 2: This is what we were just talking about, right, yes,
41:50
Speaker 2: she says, And after my last divorce, I just sat
41:53
Speaker 2: there and I was like, I canceled my tour and
41:56
Speaker 2: I sat there and I was just like, you need
41:59
Speaker 2: to figure yourself out. What is going on with you?
42:03
Speaker 2: Forget about everybody else. There's nobody to blame here except
42:07
Speaker 2: yourself in a certain way. And and Jlo is totally
42:13
Speaker 2: guilty of what we were just talking about. She has
42:15
Speaker 2: always been a relationship hopper, and she has always said
42:20
Speaker 2: she loves love. And I think it's kind of interesting
42:24
Speaker 2: to hear this perspective that it sounds like she's doing
42:28
Speaker 2: the work this time, at this point in her life.
42:30
Speaker 2: It sounds like she's really doing the work because she's
42:33
Speaker 2: looked back at her life and said, what's the common
42:36
Speaker 2: denominator here?
42:38
Speaker 1: Oh?
42:38
Speaker 2: It's me, right, I need.
42:41
Speaker 1: I also love the accountability. I also love that she
42:45
Speaker 1: is recognizing that, like you said, what's the common denominator?
42:50
Speaker 1: I need to figure this out. You know, whatever he's doing,
42:52
Speaker 1: that's his life, this is her life. I also have
42:56
Speaker 1: a lot of admiration for her for not for canceling
42:59
Speaker 1: the tour. I mean, it's a lot of money, it's
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Speaker 1: a way of distraction, and she's like, no, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to figure my life out. I mean that takes a
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Speaker 1: lot of balls, and I really admire that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know, I don't know many people in her position
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Speaker 1: who are entertainers would do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's also saying she needed to figure out
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Speaker 2: what she was attracting. So again, it's like, if something
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Speaker 2: keeps happening, what's the definition of insanity. It's like, it's
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Speaker 2: when you keep doing something and expecting a different result
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Speaker 2: results rights, how can you, Jlo? How can you keep
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Speaker 2: going into marriage thinking it's going to be different when
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Speaker 2: you're doing and approaching it maybe the same way every
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Speaker 2: single time. So kudos to j Loo for doing the work,
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Speaker 2: taking the time to pause. And I don't think we've
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Speaker 2: really seen her having any sort of public romance in
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Speaker 2: a minute, and I do think that that is just
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Speaker 2: a sign that maybe she's doing things a little bit
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Speaker 2: differently this time. So anyways, I hope that this was
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Speaker 2: kind of inspiring to people who are listening, because clearly
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Speaker 2: celebs are going through it just like regular people.
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Speaker 1: They are and they're doing the work just like regular people,
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Speaker 1: and they're accountable for their actions. I think that, like
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Speaker 1: what I said before, just it's very very easy to
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Speaker 1: be distracted by your work, your friends, like whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: your worker classes, whatever it is that's on your you know,
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Speaker 1: your everyday schedule, your schedule is everything. But when you
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Speaker 1: really start to like put the schedule aside and put
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Speaker 1: in the work, you know you. I mean, I have
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Speaker 1: put in a lot of work on myself and I
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Speaker 1: feel I feel so much just more solid. I feel
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Speaker 1: like I would listen differently. I care more. I mean,
44:54
Speaker 1: I consider myself a giving person, but I genuinely care more.
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Speaker 1: And it's been really really it's been an amazing experience.
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Speaker 2: I know I told you this, but I've seen so
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Speaker 2: much change in you since you started this podcast. It's
45:08
Speaker 2: been very fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I know when you first met when I first met you,
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Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, how did I
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Speaker 1: get do this? I was so scared, I was so intimidated.
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Speaker 1: I was just so like, I just was so insular.
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Speaker 1: I thank you. It really means a lot to me
45:26
Speaker 1: coming from you, especially thank you May.
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Speaker 2: It's the truth.
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Speaker 1: Are you going through of a divorce right now? Are
45:32
Speaker 1: you going through a really difficult time? Are you relationship hopping?
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