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Top 5 Bingeable SCARY STORIES • STRANGEST of the Strange Edition Vol. 2 · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into today's stories.
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  Speaker 1: On February seventeenth, two thousand and four, shoppers inside of
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  Speaker 1: a massive Japanese superstore called Jusco in Wakachi City were
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  Speaker 1: suddenly aware of a loud commotion. When they went to investigate,
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  Speaker 1: they found a thin young woman with a young baby
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  Speaker 1: strapped to her chest grappling with an older man. Initially,
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  Speaker 1: onlookers didn't know what to do. They stood there shocked
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  Speaker 1: at what they were seeing. Then the woman yelled out fief.
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  Speaker 1: The man she was fighting with was in his late sixties,
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  Speaker 1: and he had pinned the woman and her baby up
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  Speaker 1: against this bank of ATMs, and his fists were clenched
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  Speaker 1: like he was holding whatever it was he took from her.
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  Speaker 1: Three men from the crowd immediately jumped into action and
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  Speaker 1: wrestled the man off of the woman and pinned him
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  Speaker 1: to the ground and began trying to pull his hands
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  Speaker 1: open to take out whatever he had stolen from this woman,
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  Speaker 1: But the man would not unclench his fists, and so
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  Speaker 1: these three men yelled out to the police that happened
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  Speaker 1: to be nearby. They ran over and jumped on top
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  Speaker 1: of the skuy and handcuffed him, and the man, as
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  Speaker 1: he's laying on the ground, is yelling out that he
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  Speaker 1: did nothing wrong, and then onlookers would say he began
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  Speaker 1: moaning very strangely before he began violently vomiting.
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  Speaker 2: Before falling unconscious.
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  Speaker 1: While the police waited for emergency services to show up
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  Speaker 1: and take this man to the hospital, they were able
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  Speaker 1: to open up his fists and discover the only thing
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  Speaker 1: he was clutching was his own bank card that was
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  Speaker 1: now bent in three places. The wallet he had on
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  Speaker 1: him belonged to him, and the bags that were lying
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  Speaker 1: on the ground all around him only contained some pet
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  Speaker 1: supplies that he had recently purchased. It did not appear
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  Speaker 1: he had actually taken anything from this woman.
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  Speaker 2: And speaking of this woman, the.
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  Speaker 1: Police were so caught up in the chaos of the
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  Speaker 1: moment that they hadn't even thought to look around for.
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  Speaker 2: The victim to see if she was okay.
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  Speaker 1: So they poked their heads up and start looking around
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  Speaker 1: the crowd for this woman. But she's nowhere to be seen,
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  Speaker 1: and so they asked the crowd, you know, do we
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  Speaker 1: know who.
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  Speaker 2: She is or where she went? And nobody knew.
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  Speaker 1: The police did think it was odd that this woman
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  Speaker 1: had walked off without talking to them first, but they
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  Speaker 1: figured if she walked away, then everything must be fine,
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  Speaker 1: and so they labeled the incident and attempted robbery, and
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  Speaker 1: they closed the case. The following day, the older man,
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  Speaker 1: who became known as Mister A by police, died at
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  Speaker 1: the hospital as a result of heart failure caused by
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  Speaker 1: extreme stress. When the police found out about this, they
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  Speaker 1: simply went into the case file, updated it to show
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  Speaker 1: the suspect had died, and did not investigate further. But
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  Speaker 1: mister A's family refused to believe he had just attacked
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  Speaker 1: a young woman and her baby.
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  Speaker 2: It was completely out of character.
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  Speaker 1: He was a gentle retiree who had spent forty years
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  Speaker 1: working for a chemical manufacturer and now was collecting a
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  Speaker 1: pension and working part time as a security guard. He
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  Speaker 1: lived with his wife, his children, and his grandchildren, and
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  Speaker 1: he lived about a kilometer away from the Jusco where
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  Speaker 1: he had gone that day to get some hamster food
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  Speaker 1: for his grandson's hamster. His family pleaded with police to
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  Speaker 1: reopen the case and investigate this woman because she must
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  Speaker 1: have done something to start this altercation. The police initially resisted,
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  Speaker 1: but ultimately conceded and said, okay, we'll check the CCTV
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  Speaker 1: camera footage at the Gisco to make sure we didn't miss.
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  Speaker 2: Anything, and what they discovered terrified them.
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  Speaker 1: A camera overlooking the ATM bank where this whole scuffle
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  Speaker 1: went down picked up this woman about five minutes before
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  Speaker 1: mister A walked into frame. She was standing in a
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  Speaker 1: corner just off the side of the ATMs, and she
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  Speaker 1: did appear to have a two year old or one
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  Speaker 1: year old strap to her chest, and she was just
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  Speaker 1: standing there motionless with her bap to the corner, looking down.
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  Speaker 1: And then when mister A came into frame, he appeared
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  Speaker 1: to pull some money out of the atm. He had
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  Speaker 1: bags all over his arms. He turned around after getting
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  Speaker 1: his cash and started walking away, and as soon as
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  Speaker 1: he does, the woman in the corner suddenly becomes animated.
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  Speaker 2: She lifts her head up and walks.
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  Speaker 1: Straight past him, skimming his chest with her hand as
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  Speaker 1: she passed. And right after she did that, it was
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  Speaker 1: like mister A had a reaction to being touched by her,
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  Speaker 1: and he instinctively grabbed her arm and that's when the
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  Speaker 1: struggle ensued, and that's when the woman yelled out thief,
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  Speaker 1: although it's clear from the footage that she is the aggressor,
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  Speaker 1: not mister A, and then at some point the three
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  Speaker 1: men jumped out of the crowd. They pull him to
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  Speaker 1: the ground, the police show up, and then at some
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  Speaker 1: point during this chaotic melee, the woman just stands up
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  Speaker 1: and meanders her way into the crowd and disappears. Although
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  Speaker 1: the police searched every piece of footage in and around
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  Speaker 1: this atm all around the time of the incident, they
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  Speaker 1: never found any footage of this woman entering or.
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  Speaker 2: Exiting the gisco.
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  Speaker 1: It was like she just appeared in that corner in
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  Speaker 1: order to go after mister A and then vanished as
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  Speaker 1: soon as it was done.
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  Speaker 2: And none of.
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  Speaker 1: The dozens of witnesses that watched the scuffle take place
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  Speaker 1: right in front of them in broad daylight, were able
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  Speaker 1: to provide any sort of meaningful description of this woman.
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  Speaker 2: It was like nobody got a really good look at her.
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  Speaker 2: But after reviewing.
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  Speaker 1: Hours and hours of the CCTV footage, the police did
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  Speaker 1: find one instance where this woman for one second looked
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  Speaker 1: up at a camera, exposing her face, and her face
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  Speaker 1: was so unsettling to police that they actually decided not
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  Speaker 1: to share the image with the public for an entire year.
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  Speaker 1: They were scared that if people saw this image it
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  Speaker 1: would scare them from ever going back to Gisco. This
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  Speaker 1: is the image of the woman. You can see her
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  Speaker 1: face is totally emotionless. Her eyes are blank and downcast.
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  Speaker 1: Some have compared her face to a death mask, which
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  Speaker 1: is a plaster cast of a dead person's face. Other
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  Speaker 1: people have said she doesn't even look human. After seeing
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  Speaker 1: the CCTV footage, mister A's relatives sued the police for
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  Speaker 1: detaining him and pinning him to the ground despite his
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  Speaker 1: obvious medical distress as a result of whatever this woman
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  Speaker 1: did to him. Eventually they did reach a settlement, but
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  Speaker 1: what they really wanted was an explanation for who this
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  Speaker 1: woman was. But even after the police released this strange
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  Speaker 1: photo to the public, nobody ever came forward, so she
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  Speaker 1: was never identified, and it's unlikely she'll ever be identified
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  Speaker 1: because the statute of limitations for this case expired in
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  Speaker 1: twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 2: The case, which is now.
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  Speaker 1: Referred to as the Justco Phantom, is still very famous
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  Speaker 1: in Japan, and it remains a popular topic on long
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  Speaker 1: internet chatroom threads, where people exchange this eerie photograph and
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  Speaker 1: speculate about who or what killed mister A. In two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven, thirty five year old, Ava Vishnirska was
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  Speaker 1: a member of the German national paragliding team. Over the
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  Speaker 1: previous two years, Ava had competed in ten of the
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  Speaker 1: world's biggest paragliding competitions and she had won six of them,
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  Speaker 1: making her the top female paraglider in the world. So
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  Speaker 1: coming into that year, Ava was very motivated to work
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  Speaker 1: extra hard to make sure she retained that title as
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  Speaker 1: world champion. On February twenty fourth of that year, Ava
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  Speaker 1: was preparing her gear alongside two hundred other paragliders on
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  Speaker 1: Mount Borra in New South Wales, Australia. This was Ava's
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  Speaker 1: last training opportunity before her first major competition of that year,
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  Speaker 1: which was scheduled for the next week. As they were
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  Speaker 1: getting ready to launch, one of the coaches walked in
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  Speaker 1: front of the group and made an announcement. He said,
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  Speaker 1: storm clouds have been spotted to the north, but the forecast.
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  Speaker 2: Was a little bit ambiguous.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't clear if the storm was going to move
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  Speaker 1: over their training area or so. It was up to
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  Speaker 1: each of the paragliders that they still wanted to launch
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  Speaker 1: that day and risk the bad weather. Ava, who was
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  Speaker 1: really eager to get this training flight in, looked at
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  Speaker 1: the sky and saw that it was pretty gray, but
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  Speaker 1: decided that she was going to do it. Worst case scenario,
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  Speaker 1: she would have to cut it short. The rest of
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  Speaker 1: the German national team they didn't want to take the risk,
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  Speaker 1: and so they stayed grounded that day.
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  Speaker 2: Ava took a.
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  Speaker 1: Little bit longer preparing her gear, so by the time
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  Speaker 1: she was lining up on the cliff, she was only
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  Speaker 1: one of a handful of people that remained, and so
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  Speaker 1: strapped into her glider. She took a good run forward
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  Speaker 1: and launched herself up into the air. On the ground,
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  Speaker 1: The rest of the German national team followed in a
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  Speaker 1: van to track her progress and checked in with her
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  Speaker 1: from time to time with their radio. The first part
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  Speaker 1: of Ava's journey was incredibly calm. She followed the ridge
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  Speaker 1: line from Mount Borra for twelve miles until it ended.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, she entered into the skies over the
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  Speaker 1: vast savannah. As her GPS and tracking log ticked tracking
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  Speaker 1: her progress, two large thunderstorm clouds appeared in front of her,
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  Speaker 1: one larger than the other. The vast majority of the
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  Speaker 1: other paragliders that had launched that day had launched ahead
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  Speaker 1: of a and so when these clouds appeared, they had
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  Speaker 1: already passed that section, and so they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Need to contend with the storm.
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  Speaker 1: As for Ava and the other two people she was with,
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  Speaker 1: which was an Austrian team member and a Chinese team member,
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  Speaker 1: they had a decision to make. They could either immediately
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  Speaker 1: ground their flight to avoid the storm, or they could
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  Speaker 1: attempt to dodge it.
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  Speaker 2: They chose the latter.
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  Speaker 1: They knew it was too dangerous to try to fly
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  Speaker 1: underneath these clouds because of something called updraft.
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  Speaker 2: At the beginning of storms, warm air is.
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  Speaker 1: Sucked up from the ground up into these clouds, and
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  Speaker 1: a paraglider, if they get caught in that can get
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  Speaker 1: sucked up with the air into the storm. And so
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  Speaker 1: Ava and the other two paragliders began aggressively flying around
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  Speaker 1: the outside of these clouds, when all.
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  Speaker 2: Of a sudden, the storm completely changed.
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  Speaker 1: The big cloud overtook the small cloud, creating this twelve
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  Speaker 1: mile wide cumulo nimbus cloud that now all three paragliders
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  Speaker 1: were stuck inside of. Any updraft is dangerous to a paraglider,
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  Speaker 1: but the updraft of a cumulo nimbus cloud is famously
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  Speaker 1: dangerous because it's extremely powerful and it lasts for over
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  Speaker 1: an hour.
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  Speaker 2: The Austrian man.
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  Speaker 1: Was able to pull down on one toggle point to
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  Speaker 1: feet and began spiraling all the way out of the
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  Speaker 1: grasp of this updraft, and he said he turned to
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  Speaker 1: look at the other two and he didn't see the
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  Speaker 1: Chinese man, but he did see Ava, and she was
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  Speaker 1: desperately trying to do what he was doing and spiral down,
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  Speaker 1: but she was clearly caught in the updraft, and he
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  Speaker 1: watched her get pulled up into the black cloud out
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  Speaker 1: of view. By the time the Austrian man hit the ground,
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  Speaker 1: he would say it had become the worst thunderstorm he
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  Speaker 1: had ever seen, with huge hailballs hitting the ground all
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  Speaker 1: around him. He took one more look up and he
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  Speaker 1: didn't see the Chinese man.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't see Ava.
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  Speaker 1: Anywhere, and he took off running for a barn to
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  Speaker 1: seek shelter. And when he was there, he pulled out
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  Speaker 1: his radio and he alerted the other teams of this emergency.
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  Speaker 1: Inside the cloud, Ava was hurtling up like a rocket.
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  Speaker 1: The storm was lifting her at a rate of sixty
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  Speaker 1: feet per second. There was nothing she could do to
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  Speaker 1: get out of this wind time, Ava knew she was
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  Speaker 1: getting pulled towards the storm's eye, in its vicious center
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  Speaker 1: because of the immense claps of thunder that just kept
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  Speaker 1: getting louder and louder, and it also kept getting.
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  Speaker 2: Darker and darker all around her.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it was pitch black except for the occasional
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  Speaker 1: flash of lightning that came very close to electrocuting her.
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  Speaker 2: As she desperately tried to keep her glider stable.
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  Speaker 1: She was able to place a radio call down to
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  Speaker 1: her team on the ground, but all she could say was.
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  Speaker 2: I can't see anything before it cut out.
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  Speaker 1: And at some point Ava reached the eye of the storm,
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  Speaker 1: where it's pitch black and the temperatures are freezing in
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  Speaker 1: hailballs the size of oranges or pelting her left and right,
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  Speaker 1: and the updraft kept pulling her higher and higher and
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  Speaker 1: higher until she.
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  Speaker 2: Passed out from a lack of oxygen.
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  Speaker 1: And at some point this updraft actually shot her up
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  Speaker 1: and out of the cloud.
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  Speaker 2: And while this meant she was out of the storm,
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  Speaker 2: she was now.
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  Speaker 1: In air that was fifty degrees below zero, which meant
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  Speaker 1: everything her face, her gloves, her clothes, the wings of
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  Speaker 1: her glider, everything completely froze, and to make matters worse,
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  Speaker 1: at the altitude she was at there was almost no
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  Speaker 1: oxygen and she did.
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  Speaker 2: Not have a breathing apparatus.
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  Speaker 1: So by all accounts, Ava should be dead, but somehow
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  Speaker 1: she didn't die. She just kept floating around above the
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  Speaker 1: storm cloud for forty five.
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  Speaker 2: Minutes, and then something happened.
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  Speaker 1: The ice on one side of the glider broke off,
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  Speaker 1: causing it to collapse, throwing her into a deadly freefall,
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  Speaker 1: and she's not in control. She's still unconscious, and she
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  Speaker 1: starts barreling back towards the ground like gravity has been
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  Speaker 1: turned back.
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  Speaker 2: On again, going straight through the storm all over again.
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  Speaker 1: And so through the storm, going at ninety feet per second,
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  Speaker 1: she clears the storm, and then right after getting out
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  Speaker 1: underneath it, her glider miraculously just opens back up again,
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  Speaker 1: and the jerking motion of her suddenly stopping her freefall
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  Speaker 1: jolted her awake, and so she's looking around totally confused
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  Speaker 1: as she's gradually regaining consciousness, and she's taking stock of
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  Speaker 1: where she is, and she's still in the storm cloud,
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  Speaker 1: but right at the bottom of it. But luckily the
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  Speaker 1: updraft had stopped, and so she was steady, and she
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  Speaker 1: was able to reach up and grab her toggles, and
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  Speaker 1: she was able to fly herself down to the ground
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  Speaker 1: and crash land and then she curled into a ball,
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  Speaker 1: grabbed her radio, and she called her team. When they
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  Speaker 1: heard her voice, they could not believe she was alive
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  Speaker 1: because the other paraglider that got sucked up by the updraft,
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  Speaker 1: the guy from the Chinese national team, He unfortunately was
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  Speaker 1: struck by lightning and was killed, and so they were
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  Speaker 1: anticipating finding out that Ava had been struck by lightning
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: But Ava had not just survived.
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  Speaker 1: When they brought her to the hospital, they discovered that
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  Speaker 1: virtually nothing was wrong with her. She had some pretty
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  Speaker 1: bad bruises and cuts from the hail, and she had
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of frostbite on her face, but it
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  Speaker 1: was treatable, and so the same day she was brought in.
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  Speaker 2: They discharged her.
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  Speaker 1: After leaving the hospital, she and her teammates went back
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  Speaker 1: to the launch site so she could collect her gear,
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  Speaker 1: and when they got there, she looked at her GPS,
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  Speaker 1: and the GPS had been tracking her entire flight, the
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  Speaker 1: entire time she was up in that cloud, and she
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  Speaker 1: showed her teammates what it said, and they literally couldn't
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  Speaker 1: believe it. The screen showed she had reached an altitude
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  Speaker 1: of thirty two thousand, six hundred and thirty four feet, which,
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  Speaker 1: to put this in perspective, is the same altitude you
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  Speaker 1: fly at inside of a commercial jet. So imagine being
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  Speaker 1: outside of your plane in the middle of a flight,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how high she was. Another reference point is
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  Speaker 1: she was approximately four one thousand feet higher than the
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  Speaker 1: summit of Mount Everest. No human being had ever been
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  Speaker 1: that high unprotected and lived to tell the tale until Ava.
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  Speaker 2: In the early morning hours.
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  Speaker 1: Of June tenth, nineteen ninety four, Deborah Hoyt suddenly woke
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  Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night. She and her
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  Speaker 1: husband were staying with relatives in Sacramento, California, and they
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  Speaker 1: were supposed to be there for.
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  Speaker 2: The next couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: But as she was sitting there, she had this overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: urge to want to leave right then and there and
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  Speaker 1: head back to their home in Lake Tahoe. Because she
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  Speaker 1: didn't really know what to make of this overwhelming feeling,
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  Speaker 1: she shook her husband a wake and told him about it.
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  Speaker 2: She thought that maybe something.
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  Speaker 1: Was wrong, and he said, you know what, you probably
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  Speaker 1: just had a bad dream and you're kind of waking
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  Speaker 1: up still half in your dream. It's not a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Just go back to bed. I'm sure everything is totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: And in the morning, if you still want to, I'd
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  Speaker 1: be happy to leave. And so Deborah said, yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally overreacting. I'm sure it was just a dream,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: and she laid back down to try to go back
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: to sleep. But as she laid there, that sense of
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: dread that something was wrong and that she had to
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: leave right now. It was just growing and growing and growing,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: until she just jumped out of the bed. She's just
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: standing in the room and she says to her husband, Honey,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: we gotta go right now. I don't know what's wrong,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: but we gotta go right now. And her husband did
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: not want to go, and he said, come on, Deborah,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: get back in bed.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: It's not a big deal. But she was adamant. She said,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: get out of bed.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: We're leaving right now, and so begrudgingly her husband said, okay,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: we'll leave right now, and so the two of them
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: hastily packed up and then went downstairs and left a
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: note for their relatives explaining their absence, and then they
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: got in.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Their car and they drove off.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: After a little while, the couple reached a very dangerous
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: section of their journey back home. It was called Bullion Bend,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: and it was a very windy road up in the mountains,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: where one wrong turn and you're going flying down the
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: side of a mountain. After driving through this area for
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes, they rounded a particularly sharp turn, and
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: as soon as they made the turn and could look
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: down the road, Debrah, who was in the passenger seat,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: she saw up ahead on the right, off the side
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: of the road several feet something that was just lying
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: there on the side of the road.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: She didn't know what it was.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: She thought it was maybe a bag or some trash,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: or maybe a dead animal, and at first she was
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: just gonna dismiss it, but as her husband drove closer
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: and closer to it, the light began to illuminate it,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: and she looked at it and couldn't really discern what
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: it was until they were right next to it, and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: she looked at her window and she noticed it was
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: a woman's body, a woman who had no clothes on,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: who was just lying there totally motionless and Deborrah immediately
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: turns to her husband and says, honey, I just saw
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: a dead woman on the side of the road, and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: her husband immediately is kind of panicked and doesn't slow down.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: He just keeps driving and says, hey, you know, should
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: we stop, should we turn around? I mean, maybe she's
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: not dead, maybe we can help her. But Deborah at
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: this point is now terrified and she's saying, no, keep going,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: don't go back.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I bet it's a trap.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Someone probably put her there, and they're gonna lure us in,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna attack us if we try to stop
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: and help her. And so, in this kind of chaotic,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: frenzied reaction that Debra and her husband are, they decide
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that their best course of action is just to drive
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: on and find the next payphone and call the police.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And it just so happened that less than a quarter
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: of a mile away was a ranger station with a phone,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and so they pull into the parking lot and Deborah
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: calls the police.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: The police tell her to wait.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Inside of her car and they'll be out in a
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes, and they're gonna need her to bring
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: them up to where she saw this body.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: So a couple of minutes goes by.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: The police show up and they tell them to drive
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: back up the road, but stop about two hundred yards
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: short of where you believe this woman's body is. And
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: so Deborah and her husband they get back in the car.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: They drive back up the road where they came from,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and right at this point where the road turned very
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: sharply is where Deborah knew on the other side of
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: this turn would be this body. And so they pulled
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: over on the side of the road. The police came
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: up on their side and they said, yep, right around
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the corner, you're gonna find her lying on the ground
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: on the left side. And so Deborah and her husband
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: are just sitting in the car watching as the police
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: go up. They make that turn and they kind of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: disappear out of sight, and then they see their spotlight
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: moving around on the other side of this turn, and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: so they figure, okay, they're looking for the body. But
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: after several minutes, the police came back down the road
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and they stopped next to Deborah's car and they said,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, guys, we didn't see anything up there.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: There wasn't a body, There wasn't anything out of the ordinary,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and Deborah would say to police, I'm not lying.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I know what I saw. It was a woman's body
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: right there in front of me. I know it. It's
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: right over there. And they would tell her.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: That we believe you, but we can't do anything because
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: there's nothing up there. And so they told Debra and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: her husband to just head home, and they did. After
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Debrah and her husband took off and were gone, the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: two responding officers drove back to their police station and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: once they were inside, they began speculating about what Deborah
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: might have seen. And as they were talking, another officer
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: came into the station, a guy by the name of
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Rich Strasser, and he overhears them and he goes over.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: He's intrigued and he asked them, you know what happened?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: What did you see?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And they explained to him that this woman, Deborah, had
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: spotted a supposed dead.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Woman's body up on Bullian Bend.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And as soon as he heard Bullyan Bend, Rich remembered
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that just a couple of days ago, they had received
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a missing person report of a young woman named Christine
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Scuobish and her young son named Nick, who had gone missing,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and the last place they had been seen was up
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: on Bullyan Bend, and so Rich wondered if maybe there
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: was a body up there, and maybe it was Christine's.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: And so the next morning Rich got.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Up early and he headed out to Bullyan Bend, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: when he reached the exact spot where Deborah had claimed
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to have seen this dead woman's body, he found a
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: children's shoe, and so he stopped his car, he got out,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he picked the shoe up, and he's looking around and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: he's looking for anything else that's out of the ordinary.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: But there's nothing on the road.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: There's no skid marks, there's no other debristh there's no
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: other clothes, there's nothing. And so he walks over to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the guardrail that overlooks this very steep embankment and he
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: looks down the other side, and at first all he
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: sees is just trees everywhere, But as he's looking, he
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: thinks he sees more clothing farther down the mountain, and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: so he climbs over the guardrail and he very carefully
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: maneuvers his way down and after only a couple of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: seconds he reaches a clearing in the branches in the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: trees and he can see down to where the train
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: kind of levels off, and right down.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: There is a smashed up red four sedan.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It was the same type of car that Christine Scubash
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: had been driving when she went missing, and so Rich
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: ran down the mountain, following Debreeze all the way to
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: this wrecked car. He goes around to the driver's side
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and he looks inside, and there in the driver's seat
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: is Christine Scubash, and unfortunately she was deceased. And then
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: on the passenger seat is her son, Nicki, and he
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: is alive, but barely. He had gone five days without
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: food or water, and doctors would say when Rich found
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: him he probably only had about one maybe two hours
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: before he would have.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Died as well.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Authorities believe Christine fell asleep at the wheel and she
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: drove off that embankment. Initially, Rich believed Deborah must have
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: seen Christine when she was driving through the mountains and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: saw that woman on the side of the road. After
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: her accident, Christine must have gotten out of her car
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and then climbed up that embankment and then laid on
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the road hoping someone would see her. And then when
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: no one stopped for her, she went back down.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: To her car where she ultimately died.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But according to the corner that would have been impossible
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: because when Christine crashed off the road, she died on impact,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: five days before Debra saw that woman on the side
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: of the road, so it could not have been Christine.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: To this day, no one knows for sure who or
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: what Deborah saw on the side of the road, but
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it is objectively true that rich only investigated Bully and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Bend and found Nicki alive because of Debra's police report
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: about this dead woman on the side of the road.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And Deborah was only on that road because she had.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Had this totally weird, middle of the night urge to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: suddenly leave a relative's house and drive.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Up into the mountains, something she had never felt before
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and didn't really know how to explain.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So either this is an extremely strange set of circumstances
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: or Nicki had a guardian angel. As many of you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: may know, aside from telling stories on this YouTube channel,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I also tell stories on my podcast, the Mister Ballin
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Podcast Strange, dark and Mysterious Stories.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: But that's not all.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: In addition to that podcast, under the Balin Studio's umbrella,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: there is a whole host of other podcasts that you
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: can binge right now and their content. All of them
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: fall into the strange, dark, and mysterious category. For example,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: if you're into baffling and horrifying medical mysteries, well you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: should go check out my other podcast called mister Balin's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Medical Mysteries. Or maybe you want to hear from some
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: other voices within our studio, like Luke Lamana. Luke Lamana
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: is a military veteran. He has a super iconic, really
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: deep radio voice, and he has two shows. One is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: called Wartime Stories, where he basically looks at strange, dark
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and mysterious wartime stories, and his other show is called Redacted,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: where he looks at information that used to be classified
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and he dives into it with his military expertise and experience,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and he basically shows you the lies and secrets and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: half truths that the most powerful institutions in the world.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Have been keeping from us.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: We also have shows that are just playing creepy and unsettling,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like Bedtime Stories hosted by Richard will where he dives
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: into the supernatural and cryptids and mysterious deaths. I mean
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: basically his whole kind of niche is things that keep
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you up at night. And then two other shows that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: fall into that sort of unsettling, creepy vibe are Late
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Nights with Nextpo hosted by the famous YouTuber Nextpo, where
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he dives into true, crazy, scary stories. And then we
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: also have another show called Runful hosted by Rodney Barnes,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and Rodney is like an icon in the horror genre
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: at large, and on his show, he just dives into
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: this wild, chilling lore, like horror lore.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: People love that show.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Or if you're a history buff, you need to check
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: out our new hit show called a Twist of History.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It's hosted by Joel who also has an amazing YouTube channel.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It's called Let's Read, and on a Twist of History,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: he dives into epic stories that have shaped the world
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that we live in now. So if you're a fan
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: of the strange, dark and mysterious, go check out these shows.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: You can look for them either by name or simply
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: by looking for Ballin Studios on any podcast platform.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: They are available right now. Enjoy.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, Bobby Schaffran was on his way up
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to Sullivan County Community College, which is two hours outside
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of New York City, to begin his freshman year. Even
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: though he was from the area, he didn't know anybody
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that was going to.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: This particular school, and so he was pretty nervous about it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Plus, he wasn't that popular in high school and he
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: had a hard time making friends. When he pulled into
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a parking spot at the school, he saw a sea
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of people getting out of their parents' cars and carrying
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: boxes up to their dorm rooms, and so he took
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a deep breath, hopped out of his car, grabbed his backpack,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and began walking across.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: The lawn towards the dorm building.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: On his walk over, Bobby was surprised when he felt
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: like all these random strangers on the lawn were looking
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at him like they knew him, and a couple people
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: yelled out to him and said, hey, it's good to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: have you back here, and one girl actually ran up
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to him, kissed him on the cheek and said, oh
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm so happy you're back. And Bobby said,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think he got the wrong person. I don't know you,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and she laughed and she just ran away. And so
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Bobby's totally bewildered by this because he doesn't know anybody,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: but everybody seems to know him, and so he walks
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: up the steps and he goes inside the dorm building
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and as he's walking down the.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Hall, people are high fiving him and patting him on
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the back.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And then right as he's about to turn the corner
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: towards his actual dorm room, someone down the hall behind
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: him yells out, hey, Eddie, what's going on?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And Bobby knew whoever it was was yelling at him
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: because this whole situation had been so weird. He felt
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like this had to be a case of mistaken identity.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And so Bobby turned around and he saw at the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: other end of the hall another student who he didn't know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: clearly waving at him and yelling out, hey, Eddie, come here,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: what's going on man? And so Bobby walks up to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: him and says, hey, I'm not Eddie. I don't know
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: what's going on, but everybody thinks I'm somebody.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: That I'm not. But I'm not Eddie. Who's Eddie?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And the guy said, yeah, okay, Eddie, it's good to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: have you back here, man, and then walked off, And.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So Bobby's like, what is going on here?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And so Bobby turns and he goes back up to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: his dorm room, and he goes inside the door, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: he's thinking, I'm just gonna be left alone for a second,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: because this is just this is not right. This is
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: not how a freshman who doesn't know anyone gets welcomed
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: at any school or any place in the world.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: This is totally unusual.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And just a couple of minutes after being inside of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: his dorm room, he hears a knock on the door.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: And Bobby's like, oh great, who is it now? Who
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: is it that thinks I'm someone I'm not. So he
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: opens the door and there's another student who he doesn't
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: know who's standing there.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And this guy his face just drains of color and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: he starts shaking when he sees Bobby, and they're both
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: looking at each other like what's going on here? And
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the student says to Bobby, where you adopted? And Bobby
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: said yeah. And then the student said is your birthday
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: July twelfth? And Bobby said yeah. And so the student goes, Okay,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: my name is Michael, and I am best friends with
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the guy named Eddie Gallant, and you are his clone.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: You have got to be his identical twin. At this point,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to Bobby, this almost made sense, but it was so
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: crazy to imagine having some identical twin he didn't know about.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And so Bobby asked Michael if he could go meet
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Eddie because he's to be a student here, and Michael said, well, actually,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Eddie decided not to come back to school this year,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: which is probably why everyone you talked to was so
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: excited to see you, because they love Eddie and they
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: thought you were him, and so they're psyched to have
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you back. After talking for a couple of minutes, Michael
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: tells Bobby that they have to go call Eddie and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: they have to set up a meeting so that Bobby
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: can meet Eddie and vice versa. And so Michael and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Bobby run outside to a pay phone booth. They hop inside,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they're crammed in there, and they dial up Eddie, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: as soon as Eddie answers, Bobby grabs the phone and.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Just says, hey, Eddie, my name's Bobby, and.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Everybody thinks I'm you, and then Eddie says, yeah, I've
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: been getting a lot of calls about that too, And
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Bobby would later say that when he first heard Eddie's voice,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: he said it sounded like his own voice coming through
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the phone, and so ultimately Eddie invited Bobby and Michael
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to come to his house so that Eddie and Bobby
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: could see if it really.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Was true that they were twins.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And so Michael and Bobby hopped in Bobby's car and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: they spent two hours to Eddie's house. And when they
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: got there, it was the middle of the night, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Eddie's house is the only house in this quiet suburb
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: that has all the lights on. And so Michael and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Bobby walk up the path towards the front door of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Eddie's house, and right as Bobby is about to knock
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: on the door, it flies open, and standing in front
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of Bobby is his exact clone.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's Eddie, and Eddie's looking back at Bobby and he
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: can't believe what he's looking at.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: They are definitely identical twins, and they both immediately saw that.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Michael would say, after Bobby and Eddie just stared at
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: each other for about a minute, they just started laughing.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: It was like they were total strangers, but at the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: same time they had this connection. Immediately they knew they
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: were related, and they were laughing, and they hugged, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they just stared at each other and Michael said, anytime
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Bobby would tilt his head, Eddie would mimick it, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: vice versa.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It was like they were looking into a mirror.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Shortly after, this story of these two long lost brothers
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: reconnecting found its way to Newsday, which was a prominent
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: local newspaper in New York, and they decided they would
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: look into it to see if it was really true
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: or not. And so one of the editors had a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: junior reporter fly out and actually see Bobby and Eddie
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: face to face and see if it was really true
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that they were in fact identical twins.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: And as soon as the.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Reporter saw them, they knew immediately that yep, they're related.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And so Newsday printed this totally heartwarming fairy tale story
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: about these two long lost brothers reconnected after all these
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: years just because of a chance encounter in college, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: everybody loved it. But this is where the story went
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: from amazing to truly unbelievable. Friends of another young man
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: living in the New York area named David Kellman began
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: telling David that he had to check out this news
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Day article about these long lost twins because these two
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: twins look exactly like David specifically, they said, you got to.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Look at these guys' hands. They are just like yours, David.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: David was known for having these enormous hands, and a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: lot of the pictures of Bobby and Eddie in the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: news showed their hands, and they too were enormous. And
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: so David finally picked up a newspaper and looked at
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a picture of Bobby and Eddie, and sure enough, he
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: was shocked they looked exactly like him. And then when
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he read the article, it showed their birthday was July twelfth,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the same as his, and they were born at the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: same hospital he was born at. And so he's thinking,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: these are too many coincidences. They have to be my brothers.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And so David called Eddie's home phone number, and Eddie's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: mother picked up, and she asked who was calling, and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: David said, Hi, my name is David Kellman. I was
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: born July twelfth, nineteen sixty one, and I'm looking at
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a newspaper article of two identical twins that looked just
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like me, and one of them is your son. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: think I'm the missing third twin. After hearing this, Eddie's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: mom apparently dropped the phone and yelled out, they're coming
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: out of the woodwork. So Eddie and Bobby went to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: David's house, and as soon as they walked in and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: saw David, they knew right away he was one of them.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: He was the third twin, And apparently within minutes of
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: meeting each other, they were wrestling and laughing hysterically on
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the ground. It was like even though they were strangers,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: they somehow already knew each.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Other and had an instant connection.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: David's family members that witnessed this first interaction said it
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: was the most incredible thing they had ever seen, that
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it was just so wonderful to see these long lost
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: siblings finally reconnected.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: After all these years.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Shortly after David realized he was the third missing twin,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Newsday did another story talking about how there was actually
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: three missing twins that had all been reconnected, and once again,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: it was just this incredible Cinderella story.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And now this story went all over the world.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: They were on the cover of every magazine, every newspaper,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: they were on every talk show, and everybody had the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: same question, what similarities did they discover And they would say, well,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: we all wrestled in junior high school and high school.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: We all smoked the same cigarettes, we like the same food,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: we have the same taste in women. And on talk
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: shows when they would answer these questions, it was immediately
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: clear that they all shared the same mannerisms, and on
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the show they would routinely interrupt each other and finish
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: each other's sentences. It really was like they were the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: exact same person, despite having been raised completely separate from
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: one another. The boys loved the attention they were getting.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: They had become international rock stars overnight, and all three
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of them were immediately so close.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: They were best friends right away.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: They moved into an apartment together, they went out partying,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: they met Madonna. It was just this incredible time in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: their lives, and so they weren't asking questions about why
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: they had been separated in the first place.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But their parents were asking a lot, a lot of questions.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Because they had not been told by the adoption agency
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: that the boy they were adopting actually had two identical siblings,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: they had no idea. So the boys adoptive parents reached
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: out to the adoption agency, which was Louise Wy's Services.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: It's based in New York, very prestigious, basically the most
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: powerful and wealthy people in New York use this adoption
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: agency if they're going to adopt, And so the parents
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: reached out to them and asked for a meeting so
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: they could get some answers as to why their kids
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: had been separated.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And so the parents go to New York.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: They go into this meeting room with the top brass
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: of Louise Wise Services and they say, you know, did
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you separate our sons at birth on purpose? And one
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of the executives said, yes, we did, because it's really
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: hard to place three children into one home, at which
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: point David's adoptive father lashed out and said, that's absolute bs.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: If you had told me he had two identical siblings,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I would have taken all three. But the agency stood
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: by their decision and said that's the only reason it happened,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and so sorry, that's all we can tell you. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: so the parents were very frustrated and felt like there
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: was much more to the story, and in fact, they
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: felt like the agency was actually lying to them about
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: why they had separated their sons in the first place,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: but they couldn't get any more information, so they left
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the agency and right when they got outside, Bobby's father
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: realized he had left his umbrella inside of the meeting room,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and so he turned around, went back inside, walked down
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the hall quietly, so we didn't want to disturb anyone.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Then he opened the door to the meeting room and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: he reached in to get his umbrella, and he looked
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: inside and he saw the people he had just met
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: with from Louise Wi's Services had just opened a bottle
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of champagne, and they were laughing and smiling, and they
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: were clearly toasting each other on a.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Job well done.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And even though Bobby's father did not go in there
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and confront them about what they were celebrating, he got
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the sense that they were celebrating having dodged a bullet
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: that they clearly had just lied to the families of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: these three triplets and they'd gotten away with it. And
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: so between the parents' general sense that the agency was
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: clearly hiding something and then Bobby discovering this champagne toast
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: as soon as they left, the parents decided they needed
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: to get in touch with some lawyers to help them
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: get to the bottom of why their sons had been separated,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and so initially a number of really prestigious law firms
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: in New York were excited to take this case, but
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: shortly after they all contacted the families to say, well,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: actually there's a conflict and.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: We can't do it anymore.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And the parents believe this was because the adoption agency,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Luise Wise Services, and some of their more prominent and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: powerful clients were pressuring the lawyers not to dig into
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: this that clearly there was some secret that they did
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: not want uncovered, and so unfortunately the parents hit a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: dead end and didn't nowhere else to turn to try
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to get more information, and so over time they kind
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: of just accepted that this is just the way it is,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and as for their sons, they didn't really care that
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: much because the way they looked.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: At it, at least they had each other now.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And so over the years the boys continued to stay
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: really close, They started families of their own, and had
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: lots of family get togethers.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: It was just a really happy time in all of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: their lives. And at some.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Point the boys actually went into business together and opened
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: their own restaurant in New York called Triplets, and the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: first year it was extremely successful, did over a million
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: dollars in revenue, but in the second year the brothers
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to fight with each other about how to run the restaurant,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and in many ways, this was their first major conflict.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: They hadn't grown up together, they had never really fought,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and so now they're fighting over money and how to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: run the business. And it got really bad, really quick,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and they just could not come to any sort of compromise,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and so at some point Bobby left the business. He said,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do this with you guys anymore,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and apparently his departure just completely ruined the dynamic of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the three brothers. Eddie was the most affected by this
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: fracture in their relationships. All he wanted was for his
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: brothers to be really close and for their families to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: spend time together, and now all of that was in jeopardy,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and so Eddie started showing signs of severe depression and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: was ultimately hospitalized for three weeks, and then shortly after
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: getting out of the hospital, he took his own life.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: This was beyond devastating for the two brothers and the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: rest of their family. Around this time, a journalist named
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Wright, who had always had a fascination with identical twins,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: found an obscure scientific article called psychoanalytics study of the child.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It detailed a New York based study about identical twins
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that were intentionally separated at birth and then given to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: different adoptive families to be studied, although it wasn't clear
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: what they were actually studying or why.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: They needed identical twins to do this research.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: In this article, Lawrence discovered all the babies that had
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: been used in the study came from the same adoption agency,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the same one the triplets had come from, the Luise
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Wise Services in New York, and so Lawrence called Bobby
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and told him that, based on this article, it seems
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: like he and his brothers were used in a scientific study.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Bobby and David were totally furious. They felt like they
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: had been treated like lab rats. They also wondered if
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: their being separated at birth had a negative impact on
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: their mental health, and that that might have contributed to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Eddie's depression and untimely death. Lawrence wound up writing an
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: article about this twin study he had discovered, and after
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: he published it, another set of twins found out they
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: had been a part of the study and discovered themselves.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: These two women were also struggling with depression furthering the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: idea that the study could have led to irreparable harm
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to their subject's mental well being. At this point, David
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and Robbie did not expect anybody to be held accountable
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: or the study. Instead, they just hoped to find out
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: why it was done and what they were testing for
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and what the results were, and so they began working
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: with Lawrence to try to get those answers. They contacted
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Louis wi Services, who did admit that yes, actually this
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was part of a study, but they didn't get any
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: information about what the results were or why they did it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And so they did some digging and they discovered the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: guy in charge of the actual scientific study was this
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: doctor named Peter Nubauer, who was this very well.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Known psychologist in New York.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: And so Lawrence managed to get an interview with this doctor,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: but the doctor basically said, I won't answer any of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: your questions and I won't give you any information about
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this study, and he never published his findings. Right before
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the doctor died in two thousand and eight, he made
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: sure the entire study was put under seal inside of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the Yale University Archives so no one could access it
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: until twenty sixty six, which has led many people to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: believe that the reason he said it so far out
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: was to guarantee all of these subjects in this study
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: would have died by the time it was made publicly available,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: protecting his own legacy and the people that were involved
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in this study. In the recent documentary called Three Identical Strangers,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Dr Nubauer's personal assistant a woman by the name of
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Natasha Jossepphawitz.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: She was interviewed and they asked.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Her, you know, can you shed any light on why
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: this study was done, what they were testing for, and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: what the results were. And she would say that she
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: was not actually part of the study. She was born
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: on the periphery, but she was privy to what they
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: were doing. And she said the point of the study
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was to finally put to bed whether it was nature
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: or nurture that made the person who they ultimately become. Basically,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: are your surroundings the thing that ultimately makes you who
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you become or is it just your genetic makeup that
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you're predestined to become a particular person independent of how
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you were raised. And she said the results were incredible
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: that basically it has nothing to do with nurture. It's
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: all about your genetic makeup that we unconsciously trend towards
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: specific behaviors and decisions.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: But we believe it's free will.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: We believe we're choosing to do certain things, but in reality,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: it's basically determined. And specifically in the triplets case, Bobby
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: was intentionally placed into a more affluent household where his
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: father was a doctor and his mother was a lawyer,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and so they were very well educated and that was
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: his upbringing.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Eddie was placed into a more.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Middle class family with his father being a teacher and
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: his mom being a stay at home mother. And David
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: was put into a low income household where they were
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: all immigrants. English was a second language and they just
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: had this very small shop that they owned. And Natasha said,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: this study demonstrated that despite these boys being put into
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: different socioeconomic levels, it had almost no impact on who
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: they ultimately became. She said she doesn't know why the
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: study wasn't published, but she hoped someday it will be.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Also in this documentary, a doctor named Lawrence Pearlman, who
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: was actually one of the researchers in the study that
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: would actually make house visits to each of the boys'
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: houses as they were growing up, under the false pretext
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: that they were there as part of routine follow up.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: For the adoption agency.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And he went on record and said that the study
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: was not just about the effects of socioeconomic class, It
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: was really about the effects of da different styles of parenting.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: He said, in the triplets case, each of the boys
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: have been placed into their respective households after that household
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: had already adopted another child, and that first child they
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: adopted effectively became the guinea pig for this study, where
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: scientists would come in and they would study this child
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: under the false pretext that they were there just following
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: up for the adoption agency, but really they were creating
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a baseline of how do these parents parent? And then
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: once that baseline was established, then the triplets were sent
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: into their respective homes with the researchers knowing full well
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: how they were each going to be brought up, with
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the adoptive father being the X factor. Bobby's father, who
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: was a doctor, was rarely around, but he was devoted
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and loving to his son. David's father, who was the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: shop owner, was around all the time and adored his
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: son and loved him unconditionally. Eddie's father was a teacher
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: who was around a pharamount, but when he was he
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: was very strict and rough with Eddie and quick to
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: discipline him, and rarely showed any affection for him. And
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: while doctor Pearlman does not come out and say that
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Eddie's were relationship with his father probably had an effect
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: on him becoming depressed and ultimately taking his life, there
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: are many other people close to this case that believe
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what it was. That David and Bobby had
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a stable, healthy upbringing and Eddie did not, and so
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: when he was faced with the crisis of the brothers separating,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Eddie couldn't handle it. These same people refute what Natasha
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: said about the findings of the study that were all
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: genetically predisposed to become.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: A particular person.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: They say, if that was the case, then why haven't
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: David and Bobby taken their lives? But ultimately, because the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: study was never published, we won't know for sure why
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it was done, what they studied, and what the conclusions were.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: All we have is speculation and second and third hand information.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: But what we do know for sure is the surviving
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: triplets and their families are furious that this study was done.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: They feel like it ruined their lives. Following the release.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Of the documentary, three identical strangers, Bobby and David were
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: actually granted early access to the study that was sealed
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: inside of Yale University, and when they looked at it,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: they were expect to be blown away with the results.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: But it turned out it was over ten thousand pages
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of very technical information and much of it was heavily redacted,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: so they couldn't even read most of it. They were
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: not able to deduce what the purpose of the study
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: was in the first place, or what it accomplished. It
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: was just all very ambiguous. This study was ultimately shut
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: down permanently in nineteen eighty, the same year the triplets
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: discovered themselves. As for the adoption agency, Luise Wise Services,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and all the scientists and researchers involved in the study,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: none of them were held accountable for their role in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: this totally unethical study, and so basically everything was swept
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: under the rug, and so Bobby, David and all of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the family members of the triplets were just left with
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of questions and not a lot of
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: answers on December eighteenth, nineteen fifty six, a brand new
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: game show called to Tell the Truth aired on a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: major American television network. The premise of the show was
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: relatively simple. Four celebrity judges would be presented with three
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: people called contestants, who all claimed to.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Be the same person.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And this person, who they claimed to be, was always
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: remarkable in some way. They had some incredible talent or
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: some crazy job, or they had accomplished something extraordinary. One
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of these three contestants was the real person they were
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: claiming to be. The other two people were doing their
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: best to pretend to be that person, and it was
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the job of the celebrity judges to try to figure
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: out who was telling the truth.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: So for a set.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Amount of time on the show, the celebrity judges would
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: ask the contestants questions about their background and try to
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: figure out who was who, and then at the end
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: of the time, the celebrities would cast a vote about
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: who they thought was the real remarkable person. After the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: votes were tallied up, the host would have the real
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: remarkable persons stand up to reveal themselves and the entire
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: audience would go crazy, and that was the show, and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the show became quite popular, so popular in fact, that today, nearly.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Seventy years later, it's still on the air. And over
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: this show's.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Very long history, virtually all the episodes are pretty similar.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty redundant.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Show, but there is one episode that will forever go
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: down as the most unique. In October of nineteen seventy two,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: three contestants walked out onto the stage in front of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the four celebrity judges and they all introduced themselves as
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Ed Edwards. Then the host of the show read aloud
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the biography of the real Ed Edwards, and he would
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: say that Ed at one point was on the FBI's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: list of the top ten most wanted criminals in America
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: for crimes like armed robbery and impersonating a federal officer.
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  Speaker 1: And then after he was finally caught by law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: and went to prison, a prison guard helped him turn
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  Speaker 1: his life around, and then upon release from prison fourteen
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  Speaker 1: years later, Ed remained this reformed criminal and became a
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  Speaker 1: successful author and motivational speaker who specialized in telling people
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  Speaker 1: how to identify con men and criminals and how to
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  Speaker 1: protect themselves from these people. After the real Ed Edwards
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  Speaker 1: biography was read aloud. The three contestants sat down and
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  Speaker 1: the celebrity judges began asking them questions about their past,
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  Speaker 1: and then after the time was up, the celebrities cast
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  Speaker 1: their votes, and then the real Ed Edwards was revealed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the real Ed Edwards please stand up.
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  Speaker 1: In it. And even though two of the four celebrity
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  Speaker 1: judges had correctly identified the right Ed Edwards, the crowd
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  Speaker 1: was totally astonished at who this guy actually was because
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  Speaker 1: he did not look like this ex convict. He looked
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: like this kind of all American middle aged father who
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: was totally harmless and wouldn't hurt a fly. But either way,
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  Speaker 1: the show ended and then the world forgot about Ed
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  Speaker 1: Edwards until two thousand and nine. That year, Ed's a
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  Speaker 1: strange daughter, forty year old April Bolacio, finally decided to
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  Speaker 1: investigate something that had plagued her for her whole childhood.
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  Speaker 1: Despite her father's claims that he was this reformed criminal
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  Speaker 1: and this stand up law abiding guy, she didn't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: She never believed it.
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  Speaker 1: She thought he had never been reformed and just was
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  Speaker 1: a criminal and always had been. Behind closed doors, Ed
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  Speaker 1: was violent and abusive, and he was a compulsive liar.
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  Speaker 1: She remembered in the nineteen seventies and eighties, when she
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  Speaker 1: was a young kid, ed would make their family pack
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  Speaker 1: up and move, sometimes in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 1: and April always assumed it was because her dad was.
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  Speaker 2: Wrapped up in something criminal.
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  Speaker 1: But every time she asked him, he would say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was an informant when I was in jail,
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  Speaker 1: and I snitched on some people, and some of those
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: people have figured out where we live, and so we
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: got to move. April knew he was lying, but there
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: was nothing she could do, and so they just kept
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  Speaker 1: on moving around. But she always thought something else was
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  Speaker 1: going on. So in two thousand and nine, when April
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  Speaker 1: is now this forty year old woman, she's laying in
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  Speaker 1: bed one night and finally says, you know what, I'm
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: just going to.
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  Speaker 2: Start googling some stuff. So she hops in her laptop.
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  Speaker 1: And she starts typing in the different names of towns
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  Speaker 1: that she and her family lived in as a kid,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and then after she'd write the name of the town,
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  Speaker 1: she'd write unsolved mystery or unsolved crime, and she would
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: see if anything popped up. And so as she began looking,
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  Speaker 1: she found one in nineteen eighty it was an unsolved
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  Speaker 1: murder in a town called Watertown, Wisconsin that happened right
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  Speaker 1: around the time that her family very briefly.
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  Speaker 2: Lived in this town.
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  Speaker 1: There was this young teenage couple that had left this
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  Speaker 1: wedding and they had driven down this dead end road
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  Speaker 1: and they were just kind of enjoying each other's company
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  Speaker 1: when an unknown assailant who matched the description of Ed
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  Speaker 1: Edwards walked up to their car, broke in, shot them
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  Speaker 1: both to death, and then disappeared. And so on a hunch,
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  Speaker 1: April called the Watertown police department the following day and
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  Speaker 1: told them that I think my father might have been
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  Speaker 1: responsible for this double homicide. It's just a hunch, but
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  Speaker 1: he matches the description. We were there in this small
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  Speaker 1: window of time when it happened, and so the police said, okay,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: we'll go have a look. And so the Watertown police
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: they tracked down ed Edwards, who was living in Kentucky
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and they got him to give them
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  Speaker 1: a DNA sample, and when they tested the DNA sample,
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  Speaker 1: it matched these samples that were taken at the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene in nineteen eighty and so Ed Edwards he was
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  Speaker 1: arrested and brought back to Wisconsin, and as soon as
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  Speaker 1: he was in custody, he confessed to the murder, and
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  Speaker 1: then he requested the death penalty, but he was told
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  Speaker 1: the maximum punishment for this crime was life in prison.
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  Speaker 1: Ed didn't like this, and so he confessed to another
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  Speaker 1: double homicide from nineteen seventy seven in Ohio, where he
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  Speaker 1: killed another teenage couple, thinking that would give him the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: death penalty, but through a loophole, they said, well, actually
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  Speaker 1: that still won't catch you the death penalty. You're still
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: facing life in prison. And so, frustrated, ed revealed a
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  Speaker 1: third murder he had perpetrated in nineteen ninety six. He
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: had killed his own foster son for the insurance money,
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  Speaker 1: and so for this crime he was eligible for capital punishment,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: and so he was sentenced to death, but he would
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: die of natural causes two years later in twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Before the state could execute him.
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  Speaker 1: Since his death, cold case investigators and members of his
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: own family have theorized that ed Edwards is almost certainly
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  Speaker 1: responsible for more killings beyond just the five he happened
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: to confess to.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, many people believe ed Edwards could.
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  Speaker 1: Actually be the infamous Zodiac killer who's one of the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: nation's most notorious uncaught serial killers that killed thirty seven
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  Speaker 1: people in northern California in the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 1: If this is true, then Ed Edwards did not become
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: a killer after he was on that game show in
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. Now, when he showed up that game
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: show and stood in front of the audience and smiled
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and answered questions to the celebrity panelists at that time,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: as you're watching him on TV, he would have already
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: been a seasoned serial killer with dozens and dozens of victims.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: But Ed stopped confessing to murders after that third confession
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  Speaker 1: because he was just kind of using those murders as
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: bargaining chips to get what he wanted, the death penalty,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and once he got it, he went silent. And now
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: that he's dead, we're never going to get another confession
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  Speaker 1: out of him, and there's no proof connecting him to
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  Speaker 1: any unsolved murder cases, and so unfortunately it's unlikely we'll
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: ever know the full extent of Ed's reign of terror.
• 50:26
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• 50:28
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• 50:31
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