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Episode 8: The Silence of the Lambs (1991) · Take #2: Movie Reviews

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  Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another edition
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  of the Take Two Pod with Mom and Dad.
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  I'm Dad. And Mom.
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  The kids are down at has been a very mellow night.
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  Would you say mom? It's been a chill night.
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  I actually had a very important rite of passage this evening.
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  I had to go to the grocery store today and because of nap
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  schedule, pumping schedule, everything schedule, I wasn't
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  able to go. So I picked up our son from
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  daycare and I went to the grocery store with both kids.
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  Wow. Look, Look, look.
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  Look. Look.
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  Look. Look, look, look, look.
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  Anyone who has more than one child understands that that is,
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  that's a feat. That's a feat of.
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  Strength it's you're really rolling the dice.
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  Because I didn't If if they're toddlers in a good mood, you're
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  fine. Yeah, it's.
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  It all depends on him, but. He just the fan.
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  He held my hands. He was well behaved.
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  He ate an apple in the grocery store.
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  Don't worry, I paid for it and he was such a good.
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  Boy, he. Did I?
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  Did I always get an extra apple and I pay for that on the way
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  out and then I leave it there? I'm just saying I'm a law
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  abiding citizen, yes. Yeah, it was a nice night.
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  Kids went down easy. No big, big concerns.
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  It'd be nice if every night was like this, but no, that's not
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  the case. Unfortunately, more, more, more
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  often than not, there's tears at some point, but there was no
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  tears. Tonight is something thrown,
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  there's tears, you know, food is spilled, whatever.
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  Alright, let's get started. We are now at episode 8.
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  Wow, I can't believe we've come this far without ringing each
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  others necks, but hey. We go less than a week in
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  between podcasts usually. Yeah, that's impressed.
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  Don't set the expectation they'll.
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  Come, I'm not. We're just trying to get a
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  catalog going. Mom, you wanna do the drum roll?
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  All right, drum roll, please. Would you fuck me, Art Folkman
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  artbook moves so hard. That's right, everybody.
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  This week we're doing Silence of the Lambs, released in 1991,
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  directed by Jonathan Demme and starring Jodie Foster, Anthony
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  Hopkins and Scott Glenn. Can can I just say Jodie
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  Foster's performance in this movie is possibly the best piece
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  of acting I've ever seen. It might be the best performance
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  I've ever seen anybody give. Yeah, it's, it's, it's up there.
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  Jodie Foster. She she's up.
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  She's up there in this one, like, really, really, really
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  good acting. But Jonathan Demi, by the way,
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  sorry. Yeah.
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  But anyway, let's do this synopsis.
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  A young FBI cadet must receive the help of an incarcerated and
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  manipulative cannibal killer to help catch another serial
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  killer, a madman whose skins his victims ache.
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  A Buffalo Bill. That synopsis is just like
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  dessert for anybody who watches all those Netflix serial killer
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  dramas. Like, you know that is exactly
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  what they're looking for. Yeah, it's this.
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  I think this is a big part of this movie.
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  Is it kicked off that interest in true crime?
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  Yeah, I think this movie, it set the bar for a lot of things
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  because people were this movie is considered a horror movie.
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  At least it wasn't 91. Yeah, it was and I I still buy
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  it. I would call it a thriller.
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  Nowadays it would be a thriller. Sure I could.
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  You could say thriller, slash, horror.
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  There's definitely parts of the Hannibal's performance that that
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  air on the side of horror, I would say.
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  Yeah, so $270 million worldwide on a budget of 19,000,000, which
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  is really, really good. That's amazing.
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  This movie did have the book behind it, and it was a best
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  seller. So when this came out, everybody
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  was like, Oh my God, Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal the
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  Cannibal. Let's go.
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  Yeah, and they did use the same title.
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  What's the book title? They didn't change it like like
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  some movies do. Yeah, the first time you saw it,
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  do you recall? No.
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  Ohe shocker. Surprise, surprise.
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  So the the interesting thing is that in my family, crime dramas
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  have always been something that's watched a lot.
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  In particular, my older brother really likes this movie.
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  Everyone my family knows this movie and it's one of those
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  movies that was on TV a lot, so it was just on in the
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  background. I certainly did not watch it or
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  have any interest in it as a kid because what weird ass kid
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  would? Yeah, that's.
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  Fair, but I did see pieces of it before I ever sat down and
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  watched it in its entirety. But I never watched it all the
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  way through until I was an adult and I was enthralled, disturbed
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  and fascinated the first time I watched it through.
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  Yeah, this movie is gets you right, those exact feelings.
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  So you go right through those feelings because you're like,
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  oh, this is intriguing. You know, she's doing a
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  detective story and you're trying to find out who the
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  killer is. And then you see some graphic
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  ass shit and you're like, oh, and then you see some more
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  graphics, graphics and we're going to talk about that graphic
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  shit, AKA the tuck dance. But.
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  Yeah, it's it's horrific, but you can't look away.
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  What about you, Dad? What was your first time
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  watching it? The first time I watched this, I
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  was about 15 years old and I knew like the movie was in the
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  house a couple times here and there, but I never kind of got
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  into it. And then on the movie Network,
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  one time it was just on and I sat down and I'm like, OK,
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  let's, let's see what this movie is all about.
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  But at that age, everybody knew it as the movie with the guy who
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  eats people. And also it came out, I saw it
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  right around the time Hannibal came out, which was in 2001.
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  And all people talked about was, you know, he eats people.
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  He eats people. Yeah.
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  And everybody, like universally was saying the first movie was
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  much better. So that's when it came across it
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  on the Movie Network. And I watched it and I was just
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  like, wow, this is crazy. I think any younger and you
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  wouldn't have been able to appreciate it.
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  I think 15 is like a decent age to have seen this for the first
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  time, but honestly I think a little bit older would be better
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  to fully grasp it. Yeah, even at that age, there
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  was, you know, the graphic scenes, like some of the
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  disturbing sequences. I was like, whoa, the part that
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  actually, you know, you talk about horror.
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  The part that scared me at 15 was the ending, the night vision
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  goggles that freaked me out. Yeah.
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  That was really creepy. You feel like you're Jody in
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  that scene. You feel like you're in a dark
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  room and you don't know what's going on.
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  And he gets so close to her and almost touches her so many
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  times. Yeah, it really freaks you.
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  Out So why do you like it or hate it so much?
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  So I, I love this movie. Strangely, there's such a
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  familiarity to it just because, like I said, it was on all the
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  time, like, and my, my dad has always loved crime movies.
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  My older brother has always loved crime movies.
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  Like, this is one that they would turn on if it was just,
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  like, halfway through. Yeah.
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  So it has like almost this like it feels like home a little bit
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  to me if that's like. That's comforting to say.
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  It's a comforting movie. Just because of the familiarity,
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  obviously there's very dark content.
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  Pretty twisted, but yeah, I get it.
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  But it has, it has like such a homey feeling to me.
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  So I, I really do love it. And anytime we watch it, like I
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  said, I'm completely enthralled because if you let yourself
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  really get into the story and and become Jody going through
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  this experience or become Starling, sorry, going through
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  this experience, it really is a like beautiful piece of art.
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  Yeah, this movie is exquisite. Yeah.
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  And this shocking thing, honestly for me is that it's
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  under 2 hours. It's like the amount of stuff
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  they packed into this under 2 hours is impressive because
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  nowadays it they wouldn't be able to.
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  Do it and the character development they get, you know,
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  two hours is amazing. For multiple characters.
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  Multiple characters. What about you?
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  Why do you like it so much? I really like this movie a lot.
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  The biggest reason for me is the way it's put together.
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  Like I said it's under 2 hours. The score sucks you in like from
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  the opening credits to the end. The score just really grabs you
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  and it doesn't let go. Every scene in this movie has a
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  purpose. There isn't any filler and the
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  acting is phenomenal. You have you know, these actors.
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  The when I when I see this movie, I'm like this is where
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  they all peaked. A lot of them like some of them
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  had really good movies later, but this is their peak.
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  Like I don't think you know, Anthony Hopkins had some good
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  movies after this. You know, he had edge.
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  He did fracture. Jodie Foster had some great
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  movies after this like panic room and flight or flight plan.
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  Sorry, but this this movie is their peak for sure.
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  And Jonathan Demi's direction in this movie is chef's kiss
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  because in my opinion, this is his best movie.
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  He did Philadelphia as well with Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington
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  a couple years after this and that won some Academy Awards,
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  but this one won the five main ones.
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  It won best picture, best director.
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  Like it just cleaned up at the Oscars.
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  Yeah, we'll get into that in cultural impact, but yeah, this
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  this movie really is it's it's a stunning.
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  Piece. Plus it's hilarious when it
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  shouldn't be. I mean, you got all the epic
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  quotes, the famous quotes. Like put the fucking lotion in
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  the basket. We have inside jokes around it.
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  There are a lot of people that would not find it.
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  No, so the first time I found that this movies disturbing
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  lines and quotes were funny was when I went to college because I
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  you know, some of the scenes you kind of laugh at certain things
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  that's happening, like the tuck dance.
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  And then I'm like, this is disturbing.
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  I probably shouldn't laugh. And then when I went to college
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  for the first time, you know, my classmates were kind of like
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  talking about the scenes and the tuck dance and.
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  You know, Woodward art folkwear. Like they're saying that as a
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  joke and I'm like, oh, either they're sick too or it's just
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  money. People find it funny because
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  it's uncomfortable and a little bit strange.
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  So I think it's a it's universally funny for a lot of
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  people. Well you watch this movie with
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  my older brother once and he started laughing at the scene
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  where Hannibal is beating the fuck out of that cop with a
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  night stick and you told me about it.
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  You were like your brother laughed maniacally, and then
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  when we just watched it the other day, you laughed
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  maniacally. That's I was gonna save this for
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  later, but I'll, I'll, you brought it up so I'll tell you
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  now. We went to visit your folks.
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  I was in the living room with your brother.
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  This is years ago, before any of the kids were around, and it was
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  like 12:30 at night. Movie Network was on.
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  I'm in the living room with your brother and we're just hanging
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  out. Everybody's kind of like slowly
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  going to bed and Hannibal's or Silence of the Lambs is playing
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  and it's the scene where Lecture is getting his 2nd dinner.
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  The lamb chops. The lamb chops?
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  Yeah, extra rare. And then he escapes the
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  handcuffs and grabs the police baton and he starts beating the
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  living life at he beats the life out of that cop with the police
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  baton. And you, you don't see the
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  hitting. You just see Hannibal's face and
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  blood, the blood splashing onto his white outfit.
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  And your brother just bursts out laughing like randomly.
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  So I looked at him like, yo, you OK, bro?
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  Like, what the fuck? I don't.
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  It's kind of funny, but it's not that funny.
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  You know? He was laughing like you were
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  watching a Dave Chappelle stand up.
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  Yeah, you were like disturbed. But then we were, we watched it
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  two nights ago and you started dying laughing at that scene.
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  And I was like, OK, well, I guess it's funny.
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  You know, laughing for different reasons.
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  I'll bring that up later. But yeah, I was kind of like, OK
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  bro, have a good night, enjoy the rest of the movie.
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  But anyways, it's all good. So let's get into the segments
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  here. What's your cringiest moment of
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  this movie, mom? So.
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  I'm just letting everyone know, listening right now.
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  I'm fucking letting loose in this podcast, this episode.
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  I mean, if you are squeamish, don't don't listen because I'm
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  letting loose. So so I have two.
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  One is before the tuck dance scene.
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  It zooms in on Buffalo Bills nipple and he fiddles with a
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  nipple ring and him fiddling with that nipple ring.
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  Like my skin starts to crawl. I'm like, Ohm felt like he pulls
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  on it kind of yeah, yeah. And it's really like, ooh, it
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  just get like. It's just perking it up a
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  little. You gotta give a little.
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  Part. I don't know what it is about
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  that scene. It really disturbed.
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  Me. Maybe because you're pumping
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  milk, that's why. Yeah.
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  It's never bothered you before. It makes you really weird about
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  nipples when you're pumping often or breastfeeding often,
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  because it's yeah. The milk peel.
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  Maybe that's why. But the other, the other scene
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  is when Catherine Martin, AKA the victim, is singing in her
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  car. Yeah, yeah, I love a jam
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  session, a car. But let's just say I'm glad that
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  no one's there to see it. Because that's so wholesome,
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  though. That's a wholesome scene.
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  Yeah, but it's cringey. Cringey.
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  Yes, it is, because I know exactly how she feels.
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  You have like a good song playing that you're really into
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  and you're really singing it and you're.
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  Like getting into. It, yeah, it's fun, but actually
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  watching her doing it, it's like.
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  Yeah, but you're supposed to. That's the whole clip.
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  That's you're supposed to root for her.
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  You want her to get away because she's just a wholesome girl
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  singing A. Song Honestly, I find it more
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  endearing that she sees an injured person trying to load
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  their car and she can't tear her eyes away.
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  She has to go and help. Can I help you you?
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  Sure, that's what I find makes her so likable.
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  Not this singing in her car. The singing.
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  Her whole scene is a life lesson for everybody.
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  So when our kids get older, we're definitely telling them
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  don't help anybody who's got a truck in the middle of the night
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  and they have a cast on because you're getting fucking just.
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  Said I'm gonna tell our daughter to be just be a bitch.
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  OHP. There's nothing wrong with being
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  a bitch. I mean, if it's gonna save you.
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  No, seriously, somebody asked for help.
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  Get the fuck away from me. Ask somebody else, don't ask me.
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  Spare some change, it's like get the fuck away from me you
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  fucking psycho boy. I'd rather her be a bitch than
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  be a victim. Sure, fair enough, it's OK.
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  So for me it's conscious moment after Migs.
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  Keyword here. After Migs fires off his load
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  onto Clarice's hair, one of the principal ones, one of the
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  prisoners shouts out Horrible Cannibal just out of nowhere.
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  And then Clarise runs to Doctor Lecter.
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  He tells her that I'm going to help you and he says look deep
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  within yourself. But why is that random inmates
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  shouting Hannibal the cannibal He had nothing to do with the
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  situation. OK Megs just fucking went off.
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  He just jerked it and he's like I bit my hand.
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  Look at the bland and he's like he's just shoots his load on
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  her. Hair, it's so disgusting.
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  It's on her face, yeah, but. That part, I mean why did the
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  guy yell yell Hannibal the Cannibal?
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  That made no sense to me. It seemed forced.
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  For a movie that's pretty much perfect from start to finish,
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  that line just seemed completely out of out of place.
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  But also sidebar, the tuck dance is very cringy.
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  But it all depends on who you're watching it with because I've
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  seen that. I've watched that scene with
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  different crowds and the reception is not always the
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  same. Yeah.
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  It it depends, really depends you're watching it with so just
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  just just the food for thought. Yeah, for sure.
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  Most iconic moment for you. So I have several moments and
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  quotes. Um, the first time Clarice meets
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  Hannibal, that scene is so strange and amazing because she
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  approaches herself, She's walking by all these criminals
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  or acting all crazy, and then she approaches his cell and he's
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  standing there, he's ramrod straight.
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  He's completely this. Cluster is so fucking strange.
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  And he's, he's looking at her, he's kind of sizing her up like
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  a, like a Python. He looks like they, they, they
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  approach him in that scene like he's not human.
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  It's, Yeah. It's like he's a dangerous
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  animal in a zoo creature. He has a different type of cage
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  than everybody else. Yeah.
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  Because he's not allowed to have bars because he's so dangerous.
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  Yeah. Like he's not allowed to stick
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  his hands out because he could F somebody up that badly.
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  Just a little fact here. Did you know that that was by
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  mistake? It was by accident.
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  The director didn't like the look of the bars.
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  So they said because they wanted to be able to film him without
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  the obstruction of the bars back and forth with him and Clarice.
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  So they put glass. They said why don't we do glass?
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  Like it's a shatterproof and you know, impact resistant.
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  But then why didn't they make everybody's cells glass?
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  Because also it made him look more dangerous.
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  Yeah, that's that's what I like about.
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  It but it was by accident. The real reason was because when
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  they filmed it, it looked strange, so they ripped out the
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  bars and they added glass which really made it super effective.
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  So another scene that is so amazing is the scene where
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  Clarice realizes she found Buffalo Bill.
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  There's so much tension in that scene as we slowly see Clarice
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  noticing all the puzzle pieces around the house.
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  Yeah, and realizing she's looking at the killer.
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  You can watch it gelling the gears moving in her head.
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  Very close to catching somebody, you think?
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  Yes, we may be. Did you take over this place
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  after Missus Littman died? Is that right?
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  Yeah, I bought this house so two years ago.
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  Did she leave any records? Any business records, tax forms,
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  list of employee. No, not like that at all.
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  Because she's so smart and she's such a good detective, but also
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  he's so creepy in that scene and you see her slowly getting more
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  and more creeped out by him and more and more frightened.
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  Something's off. Yeah, yeah, realizing she's in
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  the presence of of the killer. What about you, Dad?
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  What's your most iconic moment? So for me, my most iconic moment
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  when is is the the dinner scene. Owen lecture orders is second
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  dinner and they bring it to his cage and the music is lulling
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  you the opera to like a sense of calm and relaxation, like we're
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  about to enjoy that lovely meal that he's ordered.
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  And that's a freaky scene. And then he just, he lets loose,
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  he breaks out and he just like bites the guy's face off it, it
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  goes from zero to 100 like instantly, like in the snap, you
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  know. But I, every time I watch that,
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  I it's that music. The It's the perfect choice of
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  music, again with the soundtrack ready when you are duck.
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  Just another minute, please. Really changes your whole
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  mindset and your tone. Even though you see his in his,
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  the palm of his hand, he has a piece of that pen.
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  I was going to say, as a viewer, you're in on it with him because
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  you know that he has that piece of pen.
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  You know he's gonna do something.
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  But yeah, that's my favorite. That's my most iconic moment for
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  this. It was a hard, hard one to pick.
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  My second favorite would be the second time he meets Clarice
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  after she goes to the storage unit.
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  The rain scene. Yeah, And then he hands her that
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  towel because that's the scene where he's like, I'm gonna help
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  you find Buffalo Bill. And she's just like, she stands
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  right up. And she's like, let's do this.
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  And you know, they team up. Yeah, it's odd.
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  He's he likes to strangely like her.
• 19:54
  He starts to strangely like her around that time.
• 19:56
  And also he's like horrified that the seamen thing happened
• 20:00
  to her. He really detests if people are
• 20:02
  rude or disrespectful. Yeah, he, he, he likes her
• 20:05
  because he offends her. He says really horrible things.
• 20:08
  Remember, he calls her a rube and then she stands up for
• 20:13
  herself and then he admires that.
• 20:16
  So I think he's like, OK, I'm gonna help her out.
• 20:19
  Yeah, he says. It it it, it really would have
• 20:21
  been something to know you in real life.
• 20:24
  Yeah, in private. Yeah.
• 20:26
  OK, let's get to the fun part, or the most fun so far, the
• 20:30
  quotes. How do you want to do this?
• 20:31
  I've got it broken down by character this time because
• 20:34
  there's so many other quotes. So if you, you want to go first,
• 20:37
  ladies first. I've I have 7 and most of them
• 20:40
  are Hannibal. OK, go for.
• 20:42
  It census taker once tried to test me.
• 20:45
  I ate his liver with some fava beans, the nice Chianti.
• 20:50
  Yes. Oh man.
• 20:53
  It's so freaky. He's trying, he's trying to
• 20:57
  disturb Clarise, and then she shoots back at him like, oh, you
• 21:01
  ate your victims. Like she's totally unperturbed
• 21:03
  by it, which I love. A census taker once tried to
• 21:09
  test me. I ate his liver with some fava
• 21:13
  beans and a nice Chianti. You fly back to school now,
• 21:26
  little Starling. Fly, fly.
• 21:30
  This super disturbing but she's just balls to wall.
• 21:33
  She's not moving. Fly fly fly fly 5.
• 21:37
  That's so good. So good, such like it's, it's
• 21:40
  almost like he's dismissing her, but he's also just playing with
• 21:43
  her a little bit. Super.
• 21:45
  Clever. Yeah, I liked that.
• 21:47
  Of course. The very iconic quid pro quo.
• 21:51
  Quid pro quo Dr. Because he wants to know.
• 21:54
  He wants he's he's very. It's I, I don't know what the
• 21:57
  word is for it. Like he's, he's nosey and he and
• 22:00
  he, he needs to know deeply personal things that he wants to
• 22:04
  get in her head. Yeah.
• 22:06
  And that's her price for getting.
• 22:07
  Help I think he wants to get in her head, but also this guy was
• 22:11
  he's a practiced Dr. right So of psychiatry.
• 22:16
  So he, like, he is itching for people to open up to him.
• 22:22
  And there's a scene where later in the movie where he really
• 22:26
  wants her, he forces her to open up to him about her trauma as a
• 22:30
  child. Yeah.
• 22:31
  And he thanks her afterwards. And I think he thanks her
• 22:35
  because he's like, somebody finally opened up to me.
• 22:38
  It's been 8 years that I've been in the cell.
• 22:41
  And I could, you know, he could flex his muscles.
• 22:45
  He can, you know, practice what he he knows so well.
• 22:49
  Yeah. And, and he obviously is a
• 22:50
  genius and on top of that, also very talented therapist.
• 22:55
  Yeah. So I think for him likes being
• 22:57
  in that cell, so lonely for so many years.
• 22:59
  It feels like his, his tool is being wasted.
• 23:02
  Is it? He has his he has this finely
• 23:03
  honed tool exactly that he wants to use.
• 23:06
  Yeah. What else you got 1?
• 23:09
  Do you wanna go for a few and then we can come back?
• 23:10
  To you, I'm. I'm.
• 23:11
  Yeah. I mean, I got you wanna say it
• 23:13
  on Hannibal. One of my favorites is Ready
• 23:17
  when you are Sergeant Pembury. He says it when they bring his
• 23:21
  food and he sits down and he lets them cuff him.
• 23:25
  And then once he bites the other cops face off and then he grabs
• 23:30
  that knife and walks out of the cell.
• 23:32
  He says the same thing to the Sergeant.
• 23:35
  Really creepy. Yeah, he just, he acts so proper
• 23:37
  and and normal and then he just turns into an animal.
• 23:41
  Go ahead. It rubs the lotion on its skin
• 23:43
  or else it gets the hose again. Are you switched the Buffalo
• 23:48
  Bill? I switched to Buffalo Bill
• 23:49
  really quick just because that's a very iconic line.
• 23:52
  And also it's it's freaky. He's he's calling her it because
• 23:56
  he doesn't want to acknowledge she's a human, because he does
• 23:58
  feel tremendous amount of guilt for what he's doing.
• 24:00
  He's see him grappling with what he's doing.
• 24:03
  So he doesn't want to admit she's a human.
• 24:05
  But at the same time, he's like, take care of your skin so I can
• 24:08
  make a suit out of it because I'm a freak.
• 24:10
  Really, really disturbing shit. Yeah, very, very disturbing.
• 24:13
  It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose.
• 24:17
  Again, part of that reason, part of the reason that that line is
• 24:21
  so iconic now, I think because it rhymes and it doesn't rhyme
• 24:26
  on purpose. I don't think that was
• 24:27
  intentional, but now it's like. It rubs the lotion on its skin,
• 24:33
  or else it gets the hose again. It rubs the lotion on its skin,
• 24:37
  or else it gets the hose again. It's kind of.
• 24:40
  Like a nursery. Rhyme.
• 24:41
  It's like a rhyme you would give a kid to learn how to wash their
• 24:44
  hands. You know?
• 24:46
  It's really freaky. Yeah, I got some more Hannibal
• 24:49
  here. Yeah, I I do too.
• 24:52
  People will say we're in love. Well, Clarice, have the lamb
• 24:57
  stop screaming. Oh, your hand also is better
• 25:00
  than mine. Oh, and Senator, just one more
• 25:04
  thing. Love the suit?
• 25:07
  I love that it's so out of character for him.
• 25:10
  Though, and your nipples didn't that.
• 25:12
  Ohk I have I have something about that later as as a
• 25:15
  breastfeeding mom, I'm offended. Evening classes.
• 25:20
  Which is where can we just go back to the.
• 25:22
  Of course it toughened her nipples.
• 25:24
  OK, your nipples turned to steel when you breastfeed.
• 25:27
  Fuck you, Hannibal. OK, Ricki Lake, chill out.
• 25:29
  OK, go ahead. OK, so I've got Buffalo Bill
• 25:33
  now. You don't know what pain is.
• 25:37
  Or was she a great big fat person?
• 25:42
  When Clarice shows up at his door.
• 25:44
  He's so unsettling. I know this character is really
• 25:47
  weird. What the fucking lotion in the
• 25:49
  basket? What else?
• 25:52
  You. Got So this is a little bit of
• 25:54
  an exchange, so OK, stay with me.
• 25:57
  Hannibal. What does he do?
• 25:58
  This man you seek Clarice, He kills women.
• 26:03
  Hannibal. No, that is incidental.
• 26:06
  What is the 1st and principal thing he does?
• 26:10
  What needs? Does he serve by killing?
• 26:12
  Clarice? Anger of social acceptance?
• 26:15
  Of sexual frustrations? Hannibal.
• 26:18
  No, he covets. He covets, yeah.
• 26:24
  It's, it's, it's so good. I love that part.
• 26:27
  Yeah, there's so many good quotes.
• 26:28
  Like the significance of the moth is that of change.
• 26:32
  Our boy Billy is trying to change too.
• 26:35
  Buffalo Bill. So we got.
• 26:37
  Are you about a size 14? So he he he lures the girl into
• 26:43
  OK, let me start this over. Buffalo Bill lures Catherine
• 26:47
  into the van to help him move the the couch.
• 26:50
  Soon as she gets into the van with the couch, he climbs in and
• 26:55
  just calmly asks her. Who are you?
• 26:59
  Better size 14. And then just knocks out of the
• 27:01
  fuck out repeatedly with a cast arm.
• 27:04
  Just beats the hell out of her until she's knocked out.
• 27:07
  Really. Creepy.
• 27:08
  Why does he even ask? He beats the fuck out of her and
• 27:10
  then checks. So weird.
• 27:12
  I don't know, I guess to confirm to the audience that he's found
• 27:14
  what he wants because. Well, he cuts his shirt open,
• 27:17
  and then he feels her up and he's.
• 27:20
  Feeling her up, he's. Feeling.
• 27:21
  Yeah, he's feeling her skin. I have a question about Buffalo
• 27:24
  Bill. He's feeling her skin, the see
• 27:26
  how soft it. Is I know, but Cannibal talks
• 27:29
  about him having a male lover but he hunts women.
• 27:33
  That is very, very odd and unique.
• 27:36
  I mean, yeah, I guess I. Well, I know he's making suits
• 27:40
  out of them, so it's like it. Does he wants to wear a woman's?
• 27:44
  Suit Yeah, but it's it's strange for someone to hunt outside of
• 27:49
  their sexual orientation because like John Wayne Gacy was
• 27:52
  attracted to young boys. He only hunted young boys.
• 27:55
  Jeffrey Dahmer was gay. He only hunted men.
• 27:58
  Ted Bundy was straight. He only hunted comment like this
• 28:00
  is a very unique case where I think we have a gayer, we have a
• 28:04
  gayer trans murderer and he's only abducting women.
• 28:08
  Buffalo Bill is based off 3 serial killers, Ed Gein and Ed
• 28:12
  Gein's The Outlier he used to capture women and turn them into
• 28:17
  a women's suit. Was he straight?
• 28:20
  I don't know. I have to look it up, but yeah.
• 28:23
  So Buffalo Bill is Ed Gein. He's who's that other one?
• 28:26
  Dahmer, Ted Bundy. No Ted Bundy.
• 28:28
  Ted Bundy and Dahmer. No, it's not.
• 28:30
  It's not Dahmer. I have it written here.
• 28:31
  The third person. The third person is a guy that
• 28:33
  used to keep women in his basement.
• 28:35
  Oh, it's not Dahmer. OK, well, we'll get to it later.
• 28:38
  I'll say the name once we get to that part.
• 28:39
  OK, let's get back to the course.
• 28:42
  Would you fuck me hard? Fuck me.
• 28:44
  So iconic. And then just a quick shout out
• 28:48
  for multiple Miggs. I can smell your cunt.
• 28:53
  It's such an offensive. Probably the best quote.
• 28:56
  No, Most underrated quote? This is like, you know, the most
• 29:01
  underrated quote in the whole movie in my opinion.
• 29:04
  I can smell your cunt. It's one of the most terrifying
• 29:06
  things that a man could say to you knowing that he can't.
• 29:09
  Touch you 15 seconds later. Now then tell me what it Meggs
• 29:15
  said to you. Multiple Miggs in the next cell.
• 29:19
  He insisted you. What did he say?
• 29:24
  He said I can smell your cunt. I see I myself cannot.
• 29:41
  You use everyone's skin cream and sometimes you'll wear later
• 29:48
  time, but not today. Super fucking creepy this.
• 29:54
  Guy, how is his sense of smell so good?
• 29:56
  He's he's an animal. He's this.
• 29:58
  Is what I'm saying. He's like.
• 29:59
  Different. Like he has this like super in
• 30:02
  tune senses and all that. He can sell perfume that she's
• 30:04
  not even wearing that day. OK, what's your favorite quote
• 30:06
  though? We listed a bunch.
• 30:08
  Well, I I just have one more. OHK OK.
• 30:11
  I do wish we could chat longer but I'm having an old friend for
• 30:15
  dinner, OK? Doctor Lecter.
• 30:19
  Doctor Roger. Doctor lecture and then you just
• 30:22
  see Doctor Chilton get off the plane.
• 30:24
  Such chills when she says it over and over.
• 30:26
  There was supposed to be an alternate ending where Doctor
• 30:28
  Chilton was gagged and tied up behind him and he says the exact
• 30:31
  same line and it works. It works in both.
• 30:34
  Contexts like this. I like this ending better.
• 30:36
  He just. Disappears a little bit more
• 30:37
  ambiguous, but you know, he's gonna get him, yeah.
• 30:39
  Yeah, What's your favorite quote?
• 30:43
  My favorite quote is the census. Census taker once tried to test
• 30:47
  me. I ate his liver with some fava
• 30:49
  beans and a nice Chianti. That one's really.
• 30:52
  Good. That's such a good line and he's
• 30:54
  trying to freak her out, but it doesn't work.
• 30:56
  I I gotta go with? Well, she great big fat person.
• 30:59
  He loved that one. OK, so is this movie classic or
• 31:04
  cancelled? Do you want to go first?
• 31:07
  Yeah, I'll go first. So a lot of people had some
• 31:11
  outrage against Catherine, the girl in the pit, for hurting the
• 31:15
  dog to try to escape from there. I don't blame her.
• 31:20
  I mean, you're trying to get the hell out cause this guy's gonna
• 31:22
  turn you into a, you know, Halloween costume.
• 31:24
  Yeah, she's using the only weapon she could possibly have.
• 31:27
  I know it tells you a lot about society, like people care more
• 31:30
  about the poodle of a serial killer than this poor girl who's
• 31:33
  been kidnapped, who's done nothing wrong to anybody.
• 31:35
  I mean, the dog didn't do anything either, but I'm sorry.
• 31:39
  And she takes the dog with her when she's rescued.
• 31:42
  I think she, she wants to make sure that the dog is going to
• 31:44
  get the help that the dog needs. She's gonna hurt, Precious, but
• 31:47
  she had. To think she keeps the dog or
• 31:48
  she gives it away. I don't know if you'd want to
• 31:50
  keep something after a traumatic situation like that, but I think
• 31:53
  she wanted to make sure the dog got helped cause yeah, she had,
• 31:56
  she had broken the animal's leg. I think it's also just showing
• 31:59
  that she is very caring and gentle person because she wanted
• 32:02
  to make sure the dog got help. I don't know if the dog's leg, I
• 32:05
  don't know if she broke the dogs.
• 32:06
  Like she never said the dog fell down the pit.
• 32:08
  She said. I think the dog's leg is broken.
• 32:10
  She's been licking her paw. I don't think she broke it
• 32:12
  though, I think. No, she didn't break it, but she
• 32:14
  dragged the dog into the pit which would have caused the dog
• 32:16
  to break the legs so. Fair enough.
• 32:18
  Go ahead, classic or cancelled. So Agent Starling is hit on by
• 32:23
  most of the men she comes in contact with in this movie.
• 32:27
  Can you blame him? No, she's really hot.
• 32:30
  Doctor Lecter, Dr. Chilton, Jack Crawford, the bug doctor at the
• 32:35
  university. Yeah, she's forced to be polite,
• 32:37
  and she gently pushes them away like she thanks Doctor Chilton
• 32:41
  for walking her down to Hannibal cell.
• 32:43
  Children's the slimiest I. Think yeah, she kind of flirts
• 32:46
  back a little bit with the bug doctor, even though she's
• 32:48
  clearly not interested. Yeah, she's just trying to work
• 32:51
  on her career. That was OK in the 90s.
• 32:55
  If you acted like that towards a woman today, HR would be up
• 32:58
  your. Asshole.
• 33:00
  You would get fired Doctor Chilton, fired bug doctor, fired
• 33:04
  Jack Crawford, fired Hannibal Lecter. 5 more years on his
• 33:08
  sentence. Like everyone is such a creep in
• 33:11
  this movie. But the movie is a classic and
• 33:14
  it's a story of a girl being a bad ass and catching a killer by
• 33:17
  relying on her own intelligence and instincts alone.
• 33:21
  She is such a badass in this. Then she overcomes all of it.
• 33:26
  Yeah, beautifully. Even when they tell her you're
• 33:29
  off the case because of the whole fake offer thing to go to
• 33:33
  Plum Island, she she goes to Hannibal Lecter on her own,
• 33:38
  brings his drawings, and she keeps getting more information
• 33:41
  to solve this case. Yeah, she will not be fucked
• 33:43
  with. Yeah, exactly.
• 33:44
  So big respect to her. Yeah, really strong female
• 33:47
  character. I don't think it was OK in the
• 33:49
  90s to just hit on your coworkers, but I think.
• 33:53
  No, they show her. More passing, Yeah.
• 33:55
  People. Yeah, yeah, people were no
• 33:58
  passes is not the right word. It was more, you know?
• 34:01
  Like it was more ignored, like the like slapping a secretary on
• 34:04
  the ass. You can't do that anymore.
• 34:07
  OHS, I didn't know you were going there, but I don't know
• 34:10
  the. Maybe you couldn't do that in
• 34:12
  the 90s either, but in the 50s you.
• 34:13
  Can I don't know what what decade that was cool, but.
• 34:18
  In the Mad Men times, in like. The 50s, yeah. 50s and 60s.
• 34:21
  Smoking indoors. Yeah.
• 34:24
  Different time for sure. OK.
• 34:26
  So the next segment is party like it's 2026.
• 34:30
  Do you have? Do you have anything for?
• 34:31
  That I'm still trying to figure out this this segment.
• 34:34
  I'll let you go first. OK so I have a couple of items
• 34:39
  so one of them is the Hannibal prison.
• 34:41
  Would be way more high tech. It's pretty low tech when she
• 34:45
  goes in there, like they have the buzzing doors open and close
• 34:48
  and everything like that and there's like guards with guns.
• 34:51
  Yeah. But if it was in 2026 there
• 34:54
  would be like multi code authentication fingerprint
• 34:58
  eyeball scans because he's so dangerous.
• 35:01
  It kind of, it's an old like hospital right, for the
• 35:03
  criminally insane, but it's kind of makes it more freaky and
• 35:09
  authentic with the rusty bars and you know, just the brick and
• 35:14
  stuff like that. Just.
• 35:15
  Yeah, and the fact that it's down that hallway, it does make
• 35:17
  it scarier. Yeah, definitely.
• 35:20
  If it was in 2026, his jail cell, that makeshift jail cell,
• 35:24
  and like then that building on the 5th floor or whatever, that
• 35:28
  would have been way more high tech.
• 35:29
  Like they don't even have a fucking camera in.
• 35:31
  There, it's a small town. Though Bro put a camera.
• 35:34
  How much does it cost to put a camera?
• 35:35
  Yeah, those two cops get slaughtered and nobody even
• 35:38
  knows about. It it's a small town courthouse,
• 35:40
  though. It's not even a real jail.
• 35:41
  Like they didn't even have a real jail for him.
• 35:43
  Yeah. So they had to just do their
• 35:45
  best. Well, you got a camera.
• 35:47
  It's not that hard. Um, so another thing I have is
• 35:51
  it would be easier to find Buffalo Bill because he would
• 35:54
  definitely have a very active social media.
• 35:57
  He would. He'd be like, like me.
• 36:00
  Would you like me? I'd like me.
• 36:02
  Yeah, follow, follow me. Yeah, follow your dreams.
• 36:05
  But also. Me like for like.
• 36:07
  Yeah, he would have, like, he would have a lot of his fashion
• 36:11
  online. He probably have a lot of
• 36:12
  different outfits. He would.
• 36:14
  He would do the TikTok trends. Yeah, but he would do attack
• 36:17
  dance whole. Time Do you do the ice bucket
• 36:19
  challenge? He would get kicked off Tick
• 36:20
  Tock for being. In a probably ice bucket
• 36:22
  challenge for ALS awareness. Yeah, so I think he would be
• 36:30
  easier to find just because they would, like, check out his
• 36:32
  social media and they'd be like, oh, he posted in front of this
• 36:35
  like random store that's only in this one town.
• 36:38
  Yeah, that's true. And lastly, it would be a lot
• 36:43
  easier to discover Hannibal's lies because all you'd have to
• 36:48
  do is a quick search on your phone because it keeps giving
• 36:51
  them fake names. Yeah.
• 36:53
  You just do a quick search that you'd be like, that's not it.
• 36:55
  Lewis friend isn't a person. What do you what are you trying
• 36:58
  to? What are you trying to tell us?
• 37:00
  I'm sure there's people named Lewis Friend.
• 37:02
  Yeah, but like, yeah. I I'm sure there is.
• 37:06
  But well, I just I think it would be easier to.
• 37:08
  Oh yeah, you. Stop him from fucking with.
• 37:10
  You you would, you would, you would out him out pretty
• 37:12
  quickly. But what else you got for 2026?
• 37:16
  That was it. I got So if this was made in
• 37:19
  2026, they would never show us the killer's face until the end.
• 37:23
  That's some more of a trend. Now they kind of hide the
• 37:26
  murderer's face. You'll see the person getting
• 37:28
  kidnapped, you see them being tortured, but it always never
• 37:32
  shows their face. And then it might not even show
• 37:34
  their face at the end. But in this movie, Buffalo Bill
• 37:38
  is an actual character. Yeah, but we, we have to see him
• 37:41
  because he is, he's strange. Like he puts on that woman's
• 37:45
  scalp and dances. Around with it, but they could,
• 37:48
  they could have done that without showing the killer's
• 37:50
  face too. Cause that's I noticed that in
• 37:52
  today's like serial killer movies, they don't show you the
• 37:55
  killer's face until the end and it keeps that mystery.
• 38:00
  But now you know. It adds to the horror, though,
• 38:04
  because he's a real character. You see his face, like the first
• 38:07
  time we see his face when he pulls up in that van, Yeah, you
• 38:10
  know, And I was shocked. I was like, oh, like they really
• 38:13
  just showed his face. Like, OK.
• 38:15
  Also, this movie be way longer. It would be at least 2 1/2
• 38:19
  hours. So I was going to say that it
• 38:20
  would, yeah, it would be much longer.
• 38:22
  And then now I'm thinking, you know, like it's 2026, we have
• 38:26
  different actors. So let's say they make this
• 38:28
  movie. Who plays Clarice?
• 38:31
  Who plays Buffalo Bill and who plays handball?
• 38:34
  Oh, you're putting me on the spot.
• 38:35
  That's fine. So for Hannibal, the first
• 38:39
  person that came to mind was Jake Gyllenhaal because of
• 38:43
  Nightcrawler. Yeah, he could do a really good
• 38:45
  animal. Because of his posture in
• 38:48
  Nightcrawler. It's a very similar to lectures
• 38:50
  posture in the cell. I just pictured Jake Gyllenhaal
• 38:54
  in that blue suit behind the glass.
• 38:56
  You know who else? Maybe Jared Leto?
• 38:58
  No, he ruined the Joker. He.
• 39:02
  No, it would be a different version of Hannibal, but I think
• 39:04
  he could. Do it.
• 39:05
  Here's how I know Jake Gyllenhaal would be good if you
• 39:08
  took Nightcrawlers Jake Gyllenhaal and put white face
• 39:10
  paint on him. He's the Joker like that because
• 39:15
  he's terrifying and he's calm, but he says really scary shit to
• 39:20
  you while being calm. Who plays Buffalo Bill?
• 39:23
  Who do you think? Ryan Gosling is the only first,
• 39:25
  second thing. Really.
• 39:27
  He's too pretty. Putting me on the spot.
• 39:30
  Ryan Gosling and Starling. That's funny.
• 39:33
  I don't know. Two birds.
• 39:35
  Yeah, I don't know. I would say Buffalo Bill, you
• 39:39
  know, I would do Matthew McConaughey.
• 39:42
  I would do Matthew McConaughey. He's also pretty.
• 39:44
  Yeah, but he's played scary before, so in True Detective
• 39:48
  he's kind of dark. Yeah, he's pretty gross and.
• 39:50
  True Killer Joe. Killer Joe, he's terrifying in
• 39:53
  that. So I think he'd be good as
• 39:56
  Buffalo Bill. He's still, he doesn't look too
• 39:59
  old and he's got, you know, a long hair that he could kind of
• 40:04
  cover up some of his face to hide the age.
• 40:07
  But who plays Clarice? And don't say Sydney Sweeney.
• 40:11
  No, Sydney Sweeney couldn't play this role.
• 40:13
  I was honestly thinking maybe like Sadie Sink.
• 40:17
  Ohhhhh maybe oht. Yeah, she's very like, you know,
• 40:20
  small and just very reserved. And she's also very pretty like
• 40:25
  she could probably, but it's more of a like down, like a a
• 40:28
  downplayed pretty. She could probably do it.
• 40:30
  I think, and I'm not a huge fan of hers, but I think she would
• 40:35
  do well because she comes off as, you know, she could come off
• 40:39
  as bitchy and strong, but also very small.
• 40:42
  And she did a really good job in that movie that we just watched
• 40:45
  the based on the true kidnapper guy.
• 40:49
  But it's Anna Kendrick I think should be alright as Starling.
• 40:53
  OK, she's a little bit old to be.
• 40:54
  Starting the name of that movie. Woman of the Hour.
• 40:57
  Yeah, woman of the hour. Yeah, she was.
• 40:59
  That was a good. Mood.
• 41:00
  She was tough in that movie, but she was also like, you could
• 41:02
  tell she was vulnerable. So she gives me a little bit of
• 41:05
  a Starling vibes. Yeah, she could, but I think
• 41:07
  she's a little bit too old to play a a A student now.
• 41:11
  You just put some makeup. She's in her, she's in her mid
• 41:13
  30s. So can you watch this with your
• 41:16
  parents? It's it depends on the parents.
• 41:22
  It would be pretty uncomfortable because of I think Buffalo Bill
• 41:26
  is a very sexual character. Well, I said yes.
• 41:28
  Everything is good except the tuck dance.
• 41:31
  Super awkward. The tuck dance, he also like
• 41:33
  sews naked and when he's touching his nipples like he's
• 41:36
  very, he's very sexual. The whole sequence is touching
• 41:39
  nipples and tuck dance so. Yeah, so that just the Buffalo
• 41:42
  Bill character makes it a little awkward.
• 41:45
  Yeah, little awkward. Very awkward.
• 41:47
  Yeah. Favorite and least favorite
• 41:51
  supporting character? Where you got?
• 41:53
  So for favorite I actually chose Ardelia Map, who is Clarissa's
• 41:59
  BFF. OK at school that's.
• 42:02
  That's a deep cut. OK, yeah, I chose her because
• 42:05
  she is. She's a good friend.
• 42:08
  When she hears that Hannibal had escaped, it shows her sprinting
• 42:11
  across campus to warn Clarise, and she also is the one who
• 42:16
  brainstorms with her when she makes the breakthrough about the
• 42:20
  fact that he covets. So he must know the girl in real
• 42:23
  life. He must be a local.
• 42:24
  Oh yeah. So she actually helps solve the
• 42:27
  case and she's cheering her on. And it also, it just like adds
• 42:32
  to that sisterhood, the camaraderie of these two women
• 42:35
  being at the school that's so heavily men.
• 42:38
  So I like this. She has that ally. 1st girl
• 42:41
  taken third body. Found.
• 42:43
  Why? Well, she didn't drift.
• 42:45
  He waited her down. What did Lecter say about the
• 42:47
  first principles? Simplicity.
• 42:51
  What does this guy do? He covets.
• 42:54
  How do we first start to covet? We cover what we see every day.
• 43:02
  That damn Clarisse ain't no. Nice, I have a controversial pic
• 43:08
  and you're going to judge me for it.
• 43:09
  But my favorite supporting character, and I put supporting
• 43:13
  in quotations because it's Hannibal.
• 43:18
  He's on the screen for less than 25 minutes.
• 43:22
  Yeah, babe, Draco Malfoy is in each of the Harry Potter movies
• 43:26
  for less than 5 minutes. Alright, fine, that's a
• 43:28
  supporting. Character Hannibal is a main.
• 43:31
  Character and I'll pick somebody else.
• 43:33
  I'm gonna say Doctor, Children. As your favorite.
• 43:37
  Supporting. Yeah, everyone.
• 43:38
  Else. There's not that many supporting
• 43:40
  characters. Jack Crawford, It's it's gotta
• 43:44
  be Chilton. Chilton, you know what he's
• 43:47
  about. He's trying to get ahead.
• 43:49
  He's a bit of a scumbag, you know, and he's a Dick to
• 43:53
  Hannibal Lecter. And he's a really good
• 43:55
  character. Like he, he's a very good
• 43:58
  character. He's well thought.
• 43:59
  Out, but I don't like him. You don't have to like him.
• 44:01
  He's just he's a good supporting character.
• 44:04
  I can't pick Hannibal because you won't let me.
• 44:06
  But least favorite is gonna be Jack Crawford.
• 44:09
  I fucking hate this guy. Seems, Yeah, Scott Glenn's
• 44:12
  character. First of all, he's terrible at
• 44:14
  his job. This guy rolls the dice with her
• 44:17
  life, basically, and her career, making up a phony offer to
• 44:22
  Lecter to help the the FBI catch Buffalo Bill.
• 44:25
  And then when it falls through, he's just like I had to roll.
• 44:28
  The dice like. Ohm Sharks.
• 44:30
  Yeah, like you could have actually called the senator.
• 44:33
  In the book they they're both kicked off the case.
• 44:36
  They're kicked off the case in the movie.
• 44:38
  Too, Yeah, but in the book it's like they have a court hearing
• 44:40
  and everything. It's really serious.
• 44:42
  And then Lecter roast them about it.
• 44:43
  Who's your least favorite? You said I picked him as well,
• 44:46
  but it's because he railroads clarise a few times in the scene
• 44:50
  or in the movie. He doesn't tell her that she's
• 44:53
  going to Hannibal to find out about the Buffalo Bill case.
• 44:57
  He lets her wait outside when they arrive at the coroner,
• 45:01
  basically agreeing with the other police officer that they
• 45:03
  shouldn't speak about this in front of a woman.
• 45:05
  Yeah. And he notes later he's like,
• 45:07
  that really burned you away. And she's like, yeah, because
• 45:10
  you're showing everybody that they should just dismiss me as a
• 45:13
  woman. And he is on his way to
• 45:16
  apprehend Buffalo Bill in Illinois, and he doesn't even
• 45:19
  tell her she finds out because she calls him about her break in
• 45:24
  the case. Yeah, it's.
• 45:26
  He basically gives her a pat on the back and he's like, we would
• 45:28
  never would have gotten here without you.
• 45:30
  And she like almost cries because she's like, you just
• 45:32
  completely are boxing me out. Thank you.
• 45:34
  He's really bad at his job. He well, not only that, but he
• 45:38
  he railroads her over and over again.
• 45:39
  He doesn't give her her due. I don't like it.
• 45:42
  Fuck that. Guy and he's like, your father
• 45:44
  would be really proud of you. It's like bro, you did nothing.
• 45:48
  No, at the end he's all me. At the end he's like Congrats,
• 45:50
  but I don't want to be here. He sucks.
• 45:52
  Yeah, he does suck. Thank you.
• 45:55
  I appreciate your opinion on that.
• 45:59
  Fuck, Jack offered. Yeah, I agree.
• 46:01
  Cultural impact. So this movie really put true
• 46:06
  crime in serial killers on the map as entertainment?
• 46:09
  Yes, because before this that wasn't really that much of a
• 46:12
  thing. We wouldn't have all the crime
• 46:15
  thriller shows and movies today if it weren't for Silence of the
• 46:18
  Lambs. Like stuff like Mindhunter,
• 46:20
  Criminal Minds, and Seven wouldn't would not exist without
• 46:24
  this movie. This movie paved the way, but it
• 46:26
  also has aged. Well, it's aged well and it did.
• 46:29
  It did start the the modern crime thriller.
• 46:33
  Yeah, and and as you said before, it's the first horror
• 46:35
  film to win the Big 5, Best Picture, Best Director, best
• 46:39
  Actor, Best Actress and best Screenplay.
• 46:42
  So it legitimized psychological thrillers as high art as opposed
• 46:47
  to just popcorn movies. I love it because of the spoofs
• 46:50
  and the memes. So many Buffalo.
• 46:52
  Bill memes, Yeah. And my favorite is still the
• 46:54
  Bath and Body works one when your girls at Bath and body
• 46:58
  works and she's taking too long basket fucking amazing.
• 47:03
  I I said that similar thing about the Speed podcast, but
• 47:06
  there are sorry, yeah, in the speed podcast, but there's a
• 47:09
  South Park episode, yeah, that parodies this movie That's so
• 47:14
  good. So the boys teepee a house and
• 47:17
  the cop in the town goes to talk to a kid at juvie who was like a
• 47:21
  professional T peer and he is a he's Hannibal, OK.
• 47:25
  He's like the boy is almost a most likely 8 to 12 years old
• 47:29
  and probably virgins. It's so good. 8 to 12 Yeah, they
• 47:35
  better be virgins. Yeah, it's it's, it's really
• 47:37
  good. OK, soundtrack, what are you
• 47:39
  saying? So the soundtrack of this movie,
• 47:42
  it feels emotional. It feels like it emotionally
• 47:47
  takes us on the on the journey with Clarice.
• 47:51
  It's a little bit spooky. Yeah.
• 47:53
  It's, it's mournful. Yeah, I find it eerie and like
• 47:57
  it gives you the detective vibes.
• 48:00
  Yeah, it, it has like that detective noir feel.
• 48:03
  Yeah. And the movie it's, it is a
• 48:06
  little bit gloomy. Like there's not a lot of
• 48:08
  sunshine in this movie. And it kind of goes with the
• 48:10
  soundtrack of being a little bit a little bit gloomy.
• 48:13
  Like it feels like the fall. Yeah, I find it sucks you in
• 48:16
  right into the movie, especially when she's Clarissa is running
• 48:20
  in the opening credits and the theme is playing and it's scary,
• 48:25
  but it's also like, you know, where are we going with this?
• 48:28
  It's like really like such a good opening and I think it wins
• 48:33
  the all time winner for a song you can't play anymore.
• 48:37
  Goodbye horses. You cannot play that anywhere
• 48:40
  without someone in the room mimicking.
• 48:44
  Yeah. Buffalo Bills tuck dance.
• 48:47
  Like they probably won't tuck their shit in and dance, but
• 48:50
  they'll do his moves too with a little like scarf or shawl on
• 48:54
  their shoulders. Goodbye horses.
• 48:59
  Yeah, there's, there's, there's a lot of songs that have been
• 49:02
  tied to movies, but this one is. Probably this one eliminated
• 49:06
  plays for that. Song.
• 49:07
  It ruined the song. Yeah, because it.
• 49:09
  Yeah, because the sound like everybody's playing that at a
• 49:11
  bar or at a party. Can you imagine that at a
• 49:14
  birthday party? Just no.
• 49:17
  I mean, if they've never seen the movie, maybe they wouldn't
• 49:19
  be as disturbed. But yeah, it's it's pretty
• 49:21
  messed up. So who gets to spin off?
• 49:24
  Done, but I want a Hannibal spinoff.
• 49:28
  He's such an interesting character.
• 49:31
  I want a prequel of him working as a therapist.
• 49:34
  Yeah, and evolving into this hyperintelligent, violent,
• 49:37
  extremely, extremely dangerous murderer.
• 49:40
  He's so dangerous. He's not allowed to be around
• 49:42
  other people. He can't be around a nurse
• 49:44
  without them, without mutilating them.
• 49:46
  But he used to just be a member of society.
• 49:49
  I want to see him as a normal person before this all.
• 49:52
  Happened they had so they had Red Dragon, which was a prequel,
• 49:55
  but that was also he was already captured and then they had the
• 50:00
  show Hannibal. It was amazing with Mad
• 50:03
  Mickelson. Yeah, it's the show cause he is
• 50:05
  the therapist in the show. But I like I, I wanna, I want
• 50:08
  even more inspection of him as a character.
• 50:11
  Like I want it based on him. Can't the Hannibal show was not
• 50:14
  based. On him, well, there was a book
• 50:15
  called Hannibal Rising and they made a movie of it and it was
• 50:18
  really bad. It was him like with his sister,
• 50:23
  think they're from Lithuania and all the stuff that happens to
• 50:27
  him and why he becomes the way he is.
• 50:28
  But yeah, I got Buffalo Bill prequel.
• 50:32
  I want to see a 10 episode special like miniseries on
• 50:37
  Buffalo Bill before he gets his first kill or right after he
• 50:42
  gets his first kill. Because that character, there's
• 50:45
  so much I wanna know about him. Like it?
• 50:48
  Would be sad though. There's more.
• 50:49
  Yeah, it would show. Him.
• 50:50
  I didn't say it would be fun. I'm just I wanna know more about
• 50:53
  him. There's more in the book.
• 50:55
  Like the reason his name isn't James, it's Jane.
• 50:58
  Because in the book it says his mom just forgot to put the ass
• 51:03
  so he's Jane Gum. Like you're gonna become a
• 51:06
  serial killer with that name. Jane.
• 51:08
  It would be sad though because he struggles with mental health
• 51:11
  and sexual identity cause Lecter says he probably got rejected
• 51:15
  for sexual reassignment cause he doesn't even know what he is.
• 51:18
  He's just self loathing. Oh yeah, doesn't mean it
• 51:21
  wouldn't make a good prequel show.
• 51:22
  Yeah, but it would be sad because you'd have to see him
• 51:24
  struggle and then subsequently become violent because of it.
• 51:28
  Double feature, What do you got? So Red dragon, obviously.
• 51:32
  Oh really? It's so good, so I zigged this
• 51:35
  one instead of zagging. I am, I said, alive.
• 51:41
  The Cannibal You're 5 cannibalism double feature.
• 51:46
  I I actually I do have something else also besides Red Dragon.
• 51:51
  I felt like a girl with the Dragon Tattoo would go with
• 51:55
  this. Yeah, it would.
• 51:56
  It's a very similar vibe. Yeah, it's another crime drama,
• 51:59
  but it's like a different flavor.
• 52:01
  It's like the which? It's in the winter version.
• 52:02
  This is the fall version. That's true, but.
• 52:04
  You're you're cannibalism. One with alive.
• 52:07
  It's cannibalism double feature. That's fucking dark.
• 52:09
  I mean, honestly, what? Like when I thought of it, I'm
• 52:14
  like, you know what? Imagine if Hannibal Lecter was
• 52:18
  on that plane in the live. I mean, that's based on a real
• 52:20
  event. You'd be living.
• 52:21
  For no, but imagine he was there.
• 52:23
  He would like this guy would fucking he would marinade some
• 52:27
  shit for these guys, like he would be cutting up people's ass
• 52:30
  cheeks and like frying them and like fucking sauteeing them.
• 52:35
  And those guys, they probably be like it's not a big deal if we
• 52:38
  don't get saved anytime soon. This guy's cooking up a storm.
• 52:41
  You know, just don't eat my sister.
• 52:43
  You. I'm just saying they're eating
• 52:46
  ass cheeks in that movie. Or they.
• 52:48
  Yeah, in real life IRL guy. That seems like the last thing
• 52:53
  you'd want to eat because of. OK, let's move on.
• 52:58
  What are you gonna eat? What was the first thing?
• 53:00
  I'm trying to think what would be the cleanest part of the
• 53:02
  body. I don't even know.
• 53:03
  I mean, you could, you could have some thigh.
• 53:05
  The boobs maybe? Some thigh maybe.
• 53:07
  There's It's all muscles, all prototypes.
• 53:09
  Boobs don't have any protein, it's just fucking jello.
• 53:14
  I don't want to think about it be so grilling.
• 53:16
  Everything would smell like Bo. I don't want to get into it.
• 53:19
  Hey, you gotta eat or you die. OK, so this is a new segment
• 53:24
  that we thought of. It's called Laughing at a
• 53:25
  Funeral, and basically it's parts of the movie that make you
• 53:30
  laugh, but you probably shouldn't be laughing.
• 53:33
  Yeah, they're not funny, but we're sick.
• 53:35
  No, they are funny, but you shouldn't be laughing.
• 53:38
  But it's still funny. So what do you got?
• 53:41
  I got. I mean, did you want to go
• 53:43
  first? Yeah, so I obviously have.
• 53:46
  Was she a great big fat person? Because that's like an inside
• 53:49
  joke in our house. Like we always say that and
• 53:51
  like, make jokes about it because it's so awkward the way
• 53:54
  he says. It Yeah.
• 53:55
  So like when you were pregnant, I just imagined I, I gave this
• 54:00
  scenario where you're pregnant and you you're working and then
• 54:04
  all of a sudden you go on mat leave, right?
• 54:05
  And they go, oh, what happened to her?
• 54:07
  What happened to her? She's not here anymore.
• 54:09
  And then who are you talking about?
• 54:10
  Was she a great big fat person? It's like, yeah, she was
• 54:13
  pregnant. Oh OK, so yeah, I got I can
• 54:18
  smell your cunt. That part is, every time I watch
• 54:23
  it, I cannot stop laughing. I can't.
• 54:25
  I don't find that part funny. Because he's like, he's like
• 54:28
  crawling up on the, on the bars following her.
• 54:31
  And then he he kind of hisses it at her.
• 54:36
  Sir, are you both a size 14? Obviously put the lotion in the
• 54:41
  basket and the tuck dance. I can't stop laughing at the
• 54:44
  tuck dance. It's so do you know he had to
• 54:46
  take a couple shots of tequila before he did that?
• 54:50
  Or was it whiskey, anyway? He improvised that, yeah, but
• 54:54
  he's not even in the script. Yeah, but he the tuck dance is
• 54:58
  in the in the book, it's in the. Book I read that he improvised
• 55:02
  that. I don't know which party.
• 55:04
  And the film makers loved it so much that they kept it in.
• 55:07
  I don't know, but they're probably like.
• 55:09
  He was already doing a dance naked, but he wasn't supposed to
• 55:12
  tuck his penis in. Oh, that was improvised.
• 55:14
  That was improvised. Very clever and disturbing.
• 55:17
  But he had to take a shot of alcohol before he did that to
• 55:21
  loosen up. Yeah, I'm not surprised he's
• 55:24
  naked. He's not even wearing underwear
• 55:25
  like he's naked. Fucking Ted Levine, such a
• 55:28
  fucking iconic actor. Yeah, I also have one Buffalo
• 55:32
  Bills monotone screaming at Catherine while she's in the
• 55:35
  pit. She starts screaming and he
• 55:37
  goes. Ohhhhh ohhhhh that's fucked.
• 55:42
  That's really cause he's he's, he's mocking her, her cries.
• 55:46
  Is he mocking her? Is he trying to like?
• 55:49
  What? Is he like trying to release
• 55:51
  nervous energy because he feels fucking weird about it?
• 55:54
  I think he's mocking her. This is gonna sound weird, but
• 55:58
  sometimes our kids, they just cry over nothing.
• 56:01
  Like they make the salon face, you know, And then I just go,
• 56:09
  oh, you know, because you're just mocking them cause it's
• 56:13
  crocodile deer. It's not real.
• 56:15
  Yeah, it doesn't work with the baby, obviously, but our
• 56:17
  toddler, like if you do it to him, sometimes he realizes he's
• 56:19
  being ridiculous and he stops. Yeah, but I do like to tease the
• 56:23
  baby. If I put her down and she starts
• 56:24
  screaming, I go, Oh my God, I almost like you 9.
• 56:28
  And I was like going. But yeah, I've honestly laughing
• 56:32
  at a funeral this section. I put your brother here again,
• 56:35
  laughing at the brutal baton killing.
• 56:37
  Just like, bro, what the fuck are you laughing at?
• 56:39
  Why are you laughing so hard? Also the cop when he right
• 56:44
  before he gets hit with the baton.
• 56:46
  This ah. It's so funny.
• 57:04
  I OK. Yeah, he screams, because he
• 57:06
  knows. He's know, he's like, it's the
• 57:10
  acting I can't take. It too acting, but it is like it
• 57:14
  is kind of. Over the top.
• 57:15
  It's over the top. Yeah, it's it's over the top.
• 57:19
  OK, lazy Sunday vibes. You wanna go first?
• 57:22
  Yeah, I said yes. Honestly, eating a nice
• 57:25
  breakfast while this movie starts with the opening
• 57:28
  sequence. With with some with some rare
• 57:30
  meat with that breakfast just juice is running.
• 57:33
  What do you think I am sick? No, no, just some eggs, some
• 57:36
  home fries. And then by the time your
• 57:38
  coffee, you take your first sip of your coffee, the opening
• 57:41
  credits finish. Oh, it's this movie slaps so
• 57:44
  hard. Yeah, I said, for me, it's a
• 57:47
  lazy Sunday as well. It has that familiarity for me.
• 57:51
  And it's also one of those movies where each scene is so
• 57:54
  good that you could watch them on their own.
• 57:56
  So if you have to run out on a Sunday or whatever, if you just
• 57:59
  watch the first scene with Clarice and Hannibal, you're
• 58:02
  good. Or, or the scene with Hannibal
• 58:04
  in the Memphis Cage inside the courthouse.
• 58:07
  Or where she, like, finds Buffalo Bill.
• 58:09
  You just watch. That one any scene.
• 58:12
  Literally, there's so many scenes that stand for themselves
• 58:15
  in this movie that you can watch it passively and just focus on a
• 58:17
  scene or two, and then you can, you know, leave without
• 58:20
  finishing it. And because it has that
• 58:22
  familiarity, it feels like a lazy Sunday movie to me.
• 58:25
  Yeah, I didn't think you would say yes.
• 58:27
  So this is late Sunday, but. It's because it's so familiar.
• 58:30
  Yeah, OK. Movie alias.
• 58:33
  I have Clarice. The the movie is called Clarice.
• 58:37
  Is called Clarice. OK.
• 58:39
  Hannibal the Cannibal, but that wouldn't really make sense
• 58:43
  because it's not about him. Yeah, that's.
• 58:45
  True this the case are solving is about him.
• 58:46
  I just like the rhyming of Hannibal the Cannibal and then
• 58:50
  the Skinner. Skinner is not bad.
• 58:53
  Yeah, Skinner. I've got Buffalo Bill.
• 58:59
  Oh yeah, didn't even think. That's about him killing people.
• 59:02
  Quid pro quo? Ohio.
• 59:06
  I mean, that one's kind of weird.
• 59:07
  I, I don't think people are gonna, you know, go see it.
• 59:10
  The screaming of the Lambs instead of the Silence of the
• 59:14
  Lambs, because that's what scares her.
• 59:17
  But she hears the screaming. And then I just thought of a
• 59:21
  funny one. Liver, laugh, love, you know.
• 59:25
  Oh my God. Just just for the for the walls.
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  That's so ridiculous. OK, shower thoughts I I have a
• 59:32
  lot. Yeah, me too.
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  So go ahead if you want to go first.
• 59:37
  So the famous line? Hello Clarice.
• 59:41
  Anthony Hopkins never actually says that in the movie.
• 59:44
  No. The line is good evening,
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  Clarice, but it's been bastardized.
• 59:49
  It's in the book. Hello Clarice is in the book.
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  Oh, OK, yeah, because like everybody quotes that like that
• 59:54
  never happens. Yeah, in the movie, it's Good
• 59:57
  evening, Gladys. Yeah, that's what it is.
• 59:59
  Which is honestly better I think.
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  So this movie, the first time you see Lecter in a movie on
• 1:00:08
  screen was the movie Manhunter 1986.
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  It's based on Red Dragon and Lecter was played by Brian Cox.
• 1:00:18
  It was directed by Michael Mann and it was remade later with
• 1:00:22
  Anthony Hopkins and Edward Norton and Ray Fines.
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  But fun fact, when Brian Cox was playing Hannibal Lecter in
• 1:00:30
  Manhunter, Anthony Hopkins was performing as King Lear on
• 1:00:34
  stage. And then when Anthony Hopkins
• 1:00:37
  was playing Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs, Brian Cox
• 1:00:41
  was performing as King Lear on stage.
• 1:00:43
  Ohm, how weird. Yeah, they're like counterparts.
• 1:00:45
  Yeah, exactly. Hannibal calls Clarise.
• 1:00:49
  Clever girl, just just like Muldoon in Drastic Park with the
• 1:00:53
  with the Raptors. Clever go.
• 1:00:55
  Clever girl. George Costanza's boss, Krueger
• 1:00:59
  is on the SWAT team. Yeah, he is.
• 1:01:03
  Whatever he's like, that mole looks the same as it did 10
• 1:01:07
  years ago when I took that photo.
• 1:01:10
  So it's probably fine. Whatever.
• 1:01:13
  So why does Hannibal say the toughen your nipples line to
• 1:01:20
  Senator Martin and gamble his deal?
• 1:01:23
  Are you stupid? I mean.
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  He does he not care about the deal.
• 1:01:27
  He says he wants a view and you're fucking talking about her
• 1:01:29
  nipples. He's a manipulator.
• 1:01:31
  This senator is desperate and he knows he has information.
• 1:01:36
  He knows who Buffalo Bill is, but he won't give it up.
• 1:01:39
  He tells them everything about him is.
• 1:01:41
  Description Why is he so annoying about them?
• 1:01:43
  Just tell them for fucks sake, what's your problem?
• 1:01:47
  Well, he said to Clarice. She's like, he's like, I've been
• 1:01:51
  waiting. How long can you wait?
• 1:01:53
  You know he's been in the cell for eight years.
• 1:01:55
  Well, it's fucking annoying. Like, I get it, you don't wanna
• 1:01:57
  live, really cooperate with law enforcement, you're in jail.
• 1:02:01
  But like, fuck you, you know who he is, and there's a manhunt and
• 1:02:04
  there's a woman's life in the balance.
• 1:02:06
  Yeah. Well, he be a person about it,
• 1:02:08
  be a human. He's psychopath killer.
• 1:02:11
  Pure psychopath. I know, but there's like there's
• 1:02:14
  been other cases where psychos have helped solve cases and this
• 1:02:18
  guy. Just pure psychopath.
• 1:02:20
  He's the worst. I imagine these characters in
• 1:02:23
  different movies. So I was like, what's the most
• 1:02:26
  ridiculous situation you could find these characters in?
• 1:02:28
  So Buffalo Bill in The Devil Wears Prada Jane Gum finally
• 1:02:35
  gets that career in fashion he's been dreaming of, but he has to
• 1:02:38
  answer to Miranda Priestly, so he's trying to like, present his
• 1:02:43
  natural fibre collection. And Miranda's unimpressed.
• 1:02:46
  So she calls the Fashion Police. Ohhhhh God Hannibal Lecters and
• 1:02:50
  Mean Girls so he. Regina George's tummy time.
• 1:02:55
  She just destroys herself Esteem.
• 1:02:57
  So he's a new transfer student from Lithuania and he's
• 1:03:00
  immediately recruited by the Plastics, but Regina George
• 1:03:03
  tries to bully him, but Hannibal begins psychologically
• 1:03:06
  dismantling her entire entire social hierarchy of the whole
• 1:03:10
  high school. By lunchtime words clarise being
• 1:03:15
  in Legally Blonde she to go further undercover.
• 1:03:19
  She transfers from the FBI Academy to Harvard and to join
• 1:03:23
  Elwood's inner circle, Claire. He's trying to explain
• 1:03:27
  psychological profile of a serial killer while Paulette
• 1:03:30
  tries to teach her the bend and snap.
• 1:03:37
  That's pretty good. It's pretty unbelievable that
• 1:03:41
  Hannibal puts someone else's face on top of his face and no
• 1:03:44
  one noticed there's a cop that gets like nose to nose with him.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah, so. When they show.
• 1:03:50
  How much and they show. The first time I watched it I
• 1:03:53
  was blown away. Two officers down.
• 1:03:59
  Flickers guard search. Personers missing.
• 1:04:02
  Who else? Gun is gone, Sergeant.
• 1:04:04
  Repeat letters. Missing hand, arm.
• 1:04:06
  He stripped the bed. Might be making a rope.
• 1:04:09
  Check all windows. Where the fuck is my ambulance?
• 1:04:16
  Sergeant Tate, he's alive. Get a hold of morning, feel his
• 1:04:20
  hands so talk to him. Say.
• 1:04:23
  There's Jim Palmer now, talk to him to have it.
• 1:04:25
  But then the second time you watch it, it's painfully obvious
• 1:04:29
  that that's Anthony Hopkins face and he's laying down in the
• 1:04:33
  police uniform. None of the EMT's noticed.
• 1:04:35
  They put like they put an oxygen mask on him and you don't notice
• 1:04:39
  that he has a face over his face.
• 1:04:41
  Yeah. That's a pretty unbelievable.
• 1:04:43
  But the first time you watch it, you don't know that that's him
• 1:04:47
  unless you are guessing. But you, you honestly, nobody
• 1:04:51
  knew that's true. Funny little detail about that.
• 1:04:54
  So when Clarice goes to meet Hannibal the first time, Doctor
• 1:04:59
  Chilton tells Clarice that, you know, when what he did to that,
• 1:05:02
  like that nurse, he bit her face off and his pulse never got
• 1:05:06
  above 85. When later in the ambulance,
• 1:05:11
  when he's escaping and he's wearing that cop's face, the
• 1:05:16
  paramedic is reporting his pulse at 84 right before he gets up
• 1:05:21
  and kills him. Oh, shit.
• 1:05:23
  Like this guy is calm and he's collected and he could control
• 1:05:28
  everything. About him doesn't get excited
• 1:05:29
  when he's. Doing exactly It's freaky.
• 1:05:32
  Um, so the last thing I have is the inspiration for Buffalo
• 1:05:38
  Bill. OK, He is a composite character
• 1:05:41
  based on three real life serial killers.
• 1:05:44
  Ed Gein for the skinning of the victims, Ted Bundy for using a
• 1:05:49
  cast to lure victims, and Gary Heidnik for holding victims in a
• 1:05:55
  basement pit. So he's a combination of those 3
• 1:05:58
  serial killers because of the tactics and murder he uses.
• 1:06:03
  That's freaking crazy. Yeah.
• 1:06:05
  So he is based on three real people.
• 1:06:07
  So one last thing from me, and I noticed this only this time
• 1:06:13
  watching that recently and I've seen this movie more than a
• 1:06:16
  dozen times. When Clarice is doing her FBI
• 1:06:20
  training, what does what mistake does she make?
• 1:06:23
  Do you remember? She doesn't check the corner.
• 1:06:25
  Right, so she forgets to check the corners.
• 1:06:29
  When she enters Buffalo Bills house there's a large painting
• 1:06:34
  of a butterfly in the corner right behind and the camera pans
• 1:06:39
  to it but she doesn't check her corner.
• 1:06:42
  So had she had checked that she would had way more time to
• 1:06:46
  react. But she eventually clues in and
• 1:06:50
  she sees like, you know, the Moss flying around.
• 1:06:52
  She sees the threads. For the clothes, she puts two
• 1:06:55
  and two together. Yeah, but had she saw the
• 1:06:57
  butterfly painting, she would have reacted way sooner.
• 1:07:01
  Also, she goes in and she goes into the basement and she's
• 1:07:07
  again not checking her corners. I did notice that she doesn't
• 1:07:10
  really check her corners. I will just say, though, that
• 1:07:13
  this, the whole basement scene and her catching the killer is
• 1:07:17
  so satisfying because when she calls Jack, she's really bummed
• 1:07:21
  out that they're going to apprehend Buffalo Bill without
• 1:07:23
  her after she's done all this work.
• 1:07:25
  So she is the one that gets to apprehend him.
• 1:07:28
  And that is like such a girl power moment.
• 1:07:30
  Like, even though it's scary, she's alone.
• 1:07:32
  She needs to, you know, rely on her instincts and go through
• 1:07:35
  this house and catch him like that.
• 1:07:38
  This is what we wanted. We wanted to see Clarice get in.
• 1:07:41
  This is her case. What?
• 1:07:43
  What movie does multiple Miggs transfer to?
• 1:07:47
  Like if he had to be in another unit movie universe.
• 1:07:51
  I don't know, hopefully Saw and he gets destroyed.
• 1:07:54
  OK, I'm thinking like maybe he's like a Marvel Marvel movie and
• 1:07:59
  he just his power is to just throw jizz at.
• 1:08:02
  People. Yeah, that's not a power, that's
• 1:08:05
  an. Assault like what kind of the
• 1:08:08
  how did, how do you think they made that like?
• 1:08:11
  The semen. The fake semen.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah, I think it's lotion because it looks, it looks so
• 1:08:15
  real. It looks real, but also how many
• 1:08:21
  tests did they Do you know what I.
• 1:08:22
  Mean, I think I think it's. That guy has some fucking aim
• 1:08:26
  but he threw that at her from like 6 feet away.
• 1:08:29
  She cause if you watch the the the clip again, she's on the
• 1:08:32
  other side of the the hall. She's walking up against the
• 1:08:35
  walls and he's like, he just chucks it and just smokes are
• 1:08:38
  right in the face. I bit my wrist so I could die.
• 1:08:47
  Look at the blood God you stupid fuck.
• 1:08:57
  After the I can smell your cunt. Why would she linger outside his
• 1:09:02
  cage? Walk past quickly with your head
• 1:09:06
  down? He's a creep, yeah.
• 1:09:09
  I'm sorry, it's just that line is ridiculous.
• 1:09:12
  And I hope like after that scene we got thrown on her.
• 1:09:14
  I hope she went to the bathroom and just did like a like a
• 1:09:18
  doctor level D sanitizing because she goes outside and
• 1:09:22
  touches her face after. Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  Do you think that guy got typecast?
• 1:09:26
  I don't know. I don't know because I don't
• 1:09:28
  even know what else he's. Also, what did Lecter say to him
• 1:09:30
  that made him kill himself? And by the way, you can't, he
• 1:09:34
  can't swallow your tongue. You know, we looked that up.
• 1:09:36
  Yeah, he's psychologically dressed him down to the point
• 1:09:39
  where he couldn't live. I don't.
• 1:09:40
  Know maybe he just kept talking him because like, this guy won't
• 1:09:43
  shut the fuck up. No, he obviously said some
• 1:09:46
  things that really disturbed him, but.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, can we just talk about Ted Levine for a second?
• 1:09:52
  This guy needs to get his flowers.
• 1:09:54
  Buffalo Bills actor. OK, so the next time I saw him
• 1:09:58
  was that I remember was Shutter Island.
• 1:10:02
  He's the warden of the the hospital, which is a really cool
• 1:10:08
  nod because he plays a mentally ill person in this serial killer
• 1:10:13
  and he's the ward. Do you remember him as the
• 1:10:14
  Warden? No, I didn't even know that.
• 1:10:16
  Was the same, yeah. He's the warden in that he's in
• 1:10:18
  heat. He's one of the police.
• 1:10:20
  I think he's the police captain because I didn't realize it was
• 1:10:24
  him until I heard his divorce. He's like, OK, so Robert comes
• 1:10:29
  out of the truck Bang, Bang, bang with his deep voice.
• 1:10:33
  And then also he's uncredited, but he's in the movie Joyride.
• 1:10:38
  He plays the trucker Rusty Nail. Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  And I was watching the movie years later, like, that's a
• 1:10:46
  great movie, We should review that.
• 1:10:47
  But yeah, we will. I'm watching it and I'm like,
• 1:10:50
  that's fucking Ted Levine's voice.
• 1:10:52
  That's Buffalo Bill. And then you watch the credits
• 1:10:56
  and doesn't say it. There's no.
• 1:11:00
  And then I looked it up. I I had to do a deep dive and it
• 1:11:03
  says that he played Rusty Nail and he was not like he
• 1:11:07
  unaccredited. He did not want the credit.
• 1:11:10
  So they kept it. I guess they wanted to keep it
• 1:11:12
  more mysterious. But if you know his voice, it's
• 1:11:15
  it's unmistaken. It is obviously can't decane.
• 1:11:19
  Yeah, Curd Currane, This is Rusty Nail.
• 1:11:23
  Anybody seen Candy Cane shoot rubber fibers and.
• 1:11:29
  Is it? It's currently caring about a
• 1:11:34
  size 14. He's a kidding.
• 1:11:36
  He's a dude, my guy. So does this movie hit different
• 1:11:41
  as a parent? It it hits different as a parent
• 1:11:47
  a little bit, not that much. Oh I have it.
• 1:11:51
  It heavily did for me. Yeah, for me, it didn't really
• 1:11:55
  hit different as a parent this time because yes, there's a
• 1:11:59
  girl, she gets kidnapped, You know, they show a dead body on
• 1:12:03
  the slab, basically, and they're investigating a couple of dead
• 1:12:06
  bodies. I don't know.
• 1:12:09
  I just this movie, it's in my brain now.
• 1:12:15
  It's complete fiction. I cannot connect it with reality
• 1:12:19
  at all, even though it's such a great movie and a lot of the
• 1:12:23
  details are based on, you know, real people and real crimes and
• 1:12:29
  these things happen. But for some reason it's just
• 1:12:33
  complete fiction in my brain. I can't.
• 1:12:36
  Maybe it's a mental block or but I think it's just the, the, the
• 1:12:39
  people eating people and stuff. It's just.
• 1:12:42
  Well, it it got me in the gut a couple times.
• 1:12:45
  When Senator Ruth Martin is begging for her daughter's life,
• 1:12:48
  it shows pictures of her as a girl and baby.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah, and that effed me up, especially as someone with a
• 1:12:55
  baby girl. Yeah, I don't know why it didn't
• 1:12:58
  affect me this. Time I really got well, it
• 1:12:59
  showed her as a baby and I was like, I was like, Oh no, no, no,
• 1:13:01
  I can't handle that. I can't handle that.
• 1:13:03
  And then also when Catherine is crying for her mom in the pitch,
• 1:13:06
  like I want my mommy. I was like, Nope.
• 1:13:10
  My mom instinct kicked in. I just wanted to hug her and get
• 1:13:13
  her out of that that. That's tough and your nipples,
• 1:13:15
  didn't it? That's somebody's baby.
• 1:13:16
  Yeah, that also is fucked. That's somebody's baby that got
• 1:13:20
  kidnapped. That's horrible.
• 1:13:21
  And then also Clarisse recalling her childhood.
• 1:13:26
  She lived with her single father and loved him so much, and then
• 1:13:30
  he dies on duty. It's a really sad back story.
• 1:13:34
  That part got me a bit because when she imagines running to her
• 1:13:38
  dad after Miggs throws the jizz at her.
• 1:13:41
  Yeah, and then she sobs by her car.
• 1:13:42
  Sold by her car cause she remembers her dad coming home
• 1:13:45
  from work and she just kind of sneaking up on him.
• 1:13:48
  Daddy, daddy, she kept me bad guys today.
• 1:13:52
  But I also, I don't like that she says the rancher sent her to
• 1:13:55
  an orphanage after the lamb incident because he was angry.
• 1:14:00
  That was her cousin that she was living with after her father
• 1:14:04
  passed away and she acted out once and he sent her to a
• 1:14:08
  fucking orphanage. That's a little bit of an
• 1:14:11
  overreaction, I'd say. Yeah, she calls him a decent man
• 1:14:14
  when Hannibal asks if he sodomized her.
• 1:14:16
  Like that's not a decent man. Decent is in like he doesn't
• 1:14:19
  sexually assault her. He could have been.
• 1:14:21
  A day if I trusted my child with a relative and he fucking and
• 1:14:25
  that relative sent my child to an orphanage after I died, I
• 1:14:29
  would haunt that motherfucker. Yeah, you become best sheba.
• 1:14:33
  Literally I would ruin their afterlife.
• 1:14:36
  By Shiva. I would go to their little lamb
• 1:14:39
  farm and every lamb would be like speaking their name,
• 1:14:42
  whispering. Every.
• 1:14:42
  Every time. Yeah, I would fuck their.
• 1:14:44
  Life. I'd be the movie The witch
• 1:14:47
  straight up the goat. Don't send my kid to an
• 1:14:49
  orphanage, you piece of shit. You got trusted with my kid.
• 1:14:51
  You sent her to an orphanage? No, no, not OK.
• 1:14:55
  Don't tell my kid to an orphanage.
• 1:14:56
  I'll kill you. Put the fucking lotion in the
• 1:14:58
  basket. Alright, data, I actually have a
• 1:15:03
  rating system for this time. Shoot, how many lotions in the
• 1:15:07
  basket do you give this movie? Um, I give this movie 9 lotions
• 1:15:15
  in the basket. I give this movie 8 lotions in
• 1:15:19
  the basket out of 10. Eight.
• 1:15:21
  Wow. OK.
• 1:15:22
  It's very good. Yeah.
• 1:15:24
  It's not perfect. Yeah, I think this movie is
• 1:15:26
  great. Again, it's not perfect.
• 1:15:29
  The one thing I wish it was longer because of pause, but it
• 1:15:38
  it's two hours. But there's so much more story
• 1:15:41
  that's missing, and it's a real shame that the sequel, Hannibal
• 1:15:46
  was kind of kind of weak. But the prequel with Edward
• 1:15:51
  Norton and and. Yeah, Red Dragon's.
• 1:15:53
  Good Red Dragon is I I think it's very good and very well
• 1:15:57
  done. So yeah, there is that.
• 1:16:00
  There's, you know, you have two movies that are decent in the
• 1:16:03
  sequel in the series. Yeah, though Edward Norton's a
• 1:16:06
  great performer too. Like, he's kind of an effed up
• 1:16:08
  person, but he's a really good actor.
• 1:16:10
  Manhunter's really good too cause it's Red Dragon but they
• 1:16:14
  call it Manhunter. It's actually a very well done
• 1:16:17
  movies by Michael Mann. Michael Mann did heat and
• 1:16:20
  collateral. So all collaterals are good
• 1:16:22
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