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get laced up let's go it's time for banter with
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the boys right on uh yo uh it is gridiron updates
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on banter with the boys uh i think right that's
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what we're yeah we're back yeah we're back we're
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here again Sorry, had to clear my old throat
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there. I'm smelty, of course. As always, next
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to me, Roberto. Hi, Roberto. He's silent today,
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okay? Next to him is Justin, our Packer fan.
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Welcome back. Appreciate you. He's just miming.
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It's all good. Yeah, it's all good. We'll give
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it the play -by -play. Trying not to get those
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YouTube viewers up higher. By not talking? Yeah,
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they'll see me. Right on, right on. And then
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Jake, obviously. What's up, buddy? Hey. Our other
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co -host, by the way. That's right. Yeah. Oh,
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Kev. Kev's here. Kev's here. Kev's got a new
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desk. I hope he is. It's a Hemnes from Ikea.
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Really looks nice. Is it really? I don't know.
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Oh, it looks like. Oh, we're just saying things.
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It's probably from Ikea, though. Gotcha. All
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right. Confirmed. Confirmed. All right. With
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that, Kev, let's move into our divisional round
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game recaps. No, you're miming. You can't be
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doing ninja moves. It's different. He could be
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miming as a ninja. He just can't speak. Anyway,
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let's talk about the first game of football.
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Yes, football. That's what we're here for. American
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football. Sorry. Yeah, anyway, sorry. All right.
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I'm just losing it here. All right, yeah. Number
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six, Bills travel to take on the number one Denver
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Broncos. Bills ended up getting the win. I'm
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sorry. Sorry, Bills fans. Broncos ended up getting
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the win 33 -30 at home, but this game was a doozy.
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I do kind of... put a little blame on Josh Allen.
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Everybody kind of wants to baby him, it feels
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like, after this game. Don't get me wrong, he
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was pretty shaken up at the end of the game in
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that post -interview, but man, who carries a
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football like that in the first half, right at
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the end of the first half, to set up the Broncos
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for three and you lost by three. I'm not saying
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anything, but you know what I mean. You had opportunities
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to not be in the situation at the end of the
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game for that field goal to possibly be for the
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win rather than the... the tie to go to OT, so
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it's just like, I don't know. I have to put a
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little blame on Josh Allen. Do you guys vibe
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with that, or are you big Josh Allen supporters?
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Big Josh Allen supporter, but this is on him
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as well. When you throw two interceptions, you
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lose two fumbles, three total fumbles. You can't
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be doing that when you're MVP, leading your team.
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This was his year, and he blew it. Look at the
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path. There's no Mahomes, no Burrell. You heard
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that on just about every game cast going into
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this playoffs. And to see what happened, he blew
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it. It's tough to see. It's tough to see how
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much it meant to him and the emotion you talked
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about at the podium. Because of him, we're now
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getting a Drake May vs. Stidham AFC Championship
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game. Unbelievable. What could have been? No,
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I'm just kidding. Jake, how do you feel about
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this? Josh Allen, do you hate for him, love for
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him? What's the vibe? I appreciate him still
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as a quarterback, but he has to own some of this.
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It's not entirely on him. I mean, it's a team
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sport. Of course. The rest of his team has to
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bail him out. I kind of joked with my brother
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-in -law, the only defense that can stop Josh
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Allen is his own. They gave up? Yeah, for sure.
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33 points. Three too many. Yeah. So there's that.
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We kind of talked about this off camera already.
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Again, because it's not all entirely on Josh
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Allen. There's some questionable officiating.
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A lot of people have that focus with it in overtime,
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but there was a possible DPI that should have
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been called on Riley Moss towards the end of
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the fourth quarter with like 24 seconds left.
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That would have put him down at maybe the two.
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The one or the two with 24, excuse me, like 20
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seconds left, probably get that touchdown then
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at that point instead of taking the three and
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going to overtime. How do you feel about those
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overtime calls, the ones that were called? So
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in the interest of fairness and consistency,
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the first DPI that got called. What? That was
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your disclaimer. Yeah, my disclaimer probably
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shouldn't have been called because it didn't
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get called on Riley Moss. It was very similar.
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Now, that said, on that same play, there was
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still a roughing the passer. So either way, they're
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going to get the 15 yards. Which the roughing
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the passer was egregious. Yeah, this is a little
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late. Just a little. A little bit. It's a lot,
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actually. That one in and of itself, while the
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DPI shouldn't have been called, at the end of
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the day, that one's still a wash, and they get
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to the same place where they are. Tredavious
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White ran the guy over. That guy gets a little
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handsy. Yeah. Well, so I had another note here.
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Riley Moss is pretty handsy, too, as far as the
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Broncos go. So it makes sense that you're trying
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to take deep shots against him. He was sixth
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most penalized player in the NFL. Like, one illegal
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contact, APIs for, like, 200 yards. And he led
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the league in, like, most yards on penalties.
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So pretty clever play calling, aside the fact
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that we're now talking, like, overtime. The interception,
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I agree with it. And I know we may talk about
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this more because there's a lot of... You mean
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the catch? No, it was an interception. Oh, the
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catch. No, sure. Technically, it's a catch either
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way. I was waiting for the elephant in the room
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to come out. So, yeah. Yes, the interception.
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Yes. And people. Mirror it to the Bears -Rams
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game, and we'll get to that with the Devontae
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Adams catch. Oh, you call that one a catch, though?
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Correct. Okay. Because Cook jumps, and so he's
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in the air. He now officially has to survive
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the ground. Devontae Adams didn't leave the ground.
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He was planted, and then he chose, or I'm assuming
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he chose, to start going down to the ground.
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Two very different things. Great explanation,
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for me anyway. That's ultimately the big difference
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between the two. Did you call me a loser? Oh!
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I heard that. It didn't take me five minutes
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this time. Real quick, before we move on, because
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the game we're talking about after this, we don't
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need to spend all the time on anyway. But real
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quick, before we move on from this game, Bo Nix,
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before... We got the crappy news that we'll talk
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about in our tent talk episode. Nice. Good call.
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God, he looked good. You've got to be excited
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as a Denver fan going forward. It would have
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been fun to see him battle Drake Mayhem. What
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a duel that would have been. A lot of good things.
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A lot of good things. What did you feel on Bo
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Nix this game before? I mean, he blasted the
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whole game. He's a baller. He's going to develop
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in the right way, and he's showing flashes of
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where he's going to be really good. If they can
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stay consistent as a team, meaning they keep
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the core quality that they have right now in
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defense, they continue to grow and let him mature,
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they've got the right coach in Sean Payton. He's
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been known as the quarterback whisperer, great
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on offense, being able to kind of put this together
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in the ways that he needs to. I think it's a
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great situation for Bo Nix to be in. I was gutted
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for him. Like, it didn't make sense. Like, you
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see the notification come out, and you're like,
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this isn't real. Oh, the video's a Denver fan.
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Yeah. It sucks. Like, this is fake, right? You
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feel so bad for him. The ultimate roller coaster.
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You're all the way up here as you're kneeling
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the ball for the win. No, just kidding. Come
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crash it down. Boom, artillery. You know, I think
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one of the saddest things that probably would
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have come out if this didn't happen was how close
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Drake May and Bo Nix are. They worked out together
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pre -draft when they were both selected. Drake
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spent a lot of time with his family, got to know
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him personally, talked about how great of a guy
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he is, he knows he'll overcome this. But they
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only played once in college, so I know they were
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looking forward to playing each other again,
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and I think it would have been highly competitive.
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But hopefully the Broncos, Bo Nix, use this as
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motivation for him to come back. I don't want
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to discount the Broncos because their defense
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is elite, and I know we'll get into that a little
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later. But, you know, you've got to feel for
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Bronco country. Let's ride. Let's ride. You know
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what? And that was nowhere near as awkward as
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Russell Wilson. No. Like, he flowed with it,
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though. Yeah. It was clean. Oh, God. That video
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lives rent -free in my head of Russell Wilson.
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Liam Cohen in him a little bit. Oh, man. All
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right, yeah, we'll touch on the Broncos. defense
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when we get to our preview and picks episode
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for the conference championship games because
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that defense played outstanding. The hardest
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-hitting defense left in the playoffs right now,
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in my opinion. But we'll touch on it. The 12th
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man might disagree with you. We'll touch on it.
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Nah. Nah. Now you're out on the 12th man again.
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No, no, no. I was never on 12th man. Yes, you
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were. I picked the Niners. That was Jacob. I
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picked the Niners to beat the Seek Chickens.
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He's still wishing the Buccaneers were in it.
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So let's talk about it. Yeah, probably, since
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I'm a Bucs fan. Yeah. Anyways, sorry. Moving
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on. Technical difficulties. Yeah. Beep. The number
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six Niners traveled to the 12th man. The number
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one Seachickens. And a version of the Niners
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showed up. It just wasn't the same version it
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felt like from the week prior. But injuries caught
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up with them early on in the game. And then the
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Seahawks never looked back. I mean, absolutely
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start to finish dominated them. And, yes, their
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defense is outstanding. A great matchup between
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the Rams and the Seachickens, but we'll talk
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about that later. I mean, whatever. What do you
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want to talk about this game? Because I don't
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know. Run game and defense. That's what it came
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down to, right? Kemba played outstanding. Charbonnet
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until... the moment, and we'll talk about that
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in the next episode. Sam Darnold did enough.
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He didn't have to do a lot. He didn't have to
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do anything. That's what you want. You don't
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want to put it all on Sam Darnold's shoulders.
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It brings back to me memories of 2000's Ravens
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with Trent Dilfer. It's like, hey, we just need
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you to score 17 points and then our defense is
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just going to own it. It feels like Jalen Hurts
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for the last three years. to me. You know what
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I mean? But it's so different, too. I hear you,
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but jokingly, but not. When that kick return
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scored for a touchdown, I felt this game is over.
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I know they still had to stay almost 60 minutes
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to play, but I know that was the kickoff. You
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could feel the crowd. You could see it. You could
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feel it through the TV from a 49er standpoint.
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And jokingly, all those memes about them having
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those blue tents out, it's the injuries that
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just... Caught up to them, unfortunately. Did
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you see the view from somebody behind the stadium?
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From their apartment? Just watching the kicker
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turn right into the corner there? Yeah, that
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was me. That was dope. Oh, yeah, that was you?
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Yeah, I was there. All right, all right. What
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did you make of this game here? I mean, it was
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just a butthole, buck kicking pretty much. That
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opening kick. Do you see the kicker try to kick
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him? Yeah, trip him. I'm like, what are you doing?
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The flag went down for that, right? They did
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flag him for that, but I'm like. No, there was
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a flag down, but it was obviously. No, that wasn't
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a flag. Yeah, he was trying to trip them, and
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they didn't get it. I mean, honestly, I checked
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out of this game about halftime. I was like,
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I got better things to do than watch that blow
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out, to be honest. I mean, like you said, Sam
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didn't have to do much running. I'm more interested
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to see, you know, Charbonnet being out and how
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much that impacts that offense, because that
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was a really good one -two punch. And then, you
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know, we'll talk about the next game coming up.
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Also, that front four, Byron Young II from Texas,
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that rookie. Murphy, Byron Murphy. Byron Murphy,
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sorry. I mean, he's been playing outstanding.
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That pickup of Leonard and Williams in the middle
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there. I mean, yeah, they're tough. And then
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the backside, they hit on that rookie from South
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Carolina. Very last name. I don't want to chew
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it up. But, yeah. And Morey. And Morey, yeah.
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And then their corners have been just playing
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out of their mind really above even I think what
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everyone expects. I knew they were going to be
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decent, but Witherspoon and I'm trying to think
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of the other guys. Witherspoon was all over the
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place. Exactly. So Seattle's going to be tough
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out, but, you know, obviously they're playing
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a division opponent for the third time. So 49ers
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are the epic run. It'll be interesting now because
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they'll be playing still a third -place schedule
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next year. Yeah. So they lost Salah. Spoilers.
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So that's going to hurt a little bit on the defense.
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But, you know, I think they're still young, you
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know, so I think the 49ers are going to be tough
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next year. Fair enough. Do you need to touch
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on this game, Jake? No, I think we all kind of
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talked about it. Seahawks opening kicker. Yep,
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it's halftime. Moving on. Yeah. The only other
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thing was the fact that, They went up. It was
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17 -0 at the end of the first. It was just like
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Seattle showed up. We were all continuing to
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have that conversation of rest versus rust, and
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Seattle did not have any of that. That was your
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theory. I remember that. Yeah. We always worry
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about that. Who was the other one? It was the
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other rust, the Patriots. The Broncos. Or the
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Broncos. Yeah. So both rust won over rest. Yeah.
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Fair enough. Kev, where were we at? Probably.
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Excuse me. Jeez. Let me try to learn how to speak
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here. Again, actually. Holy crap. All right.
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Let's move on to game three. The number five
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Texans taking on the number two Patriots in New
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England. New England getting the win 28 -16.
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I mean, obviously, probably the biggest. Elephant
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in the room on this game has got to be the play
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of C .J. Stroud. It'd be hard. What play? What
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play? Exactly. I mean, even if we're not talking
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about the interceptions, I mean, the throws that
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he was missing, he had them all year. Was the
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moment too big? Do you think he's healthy fully?
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What the heck's going on? I think New England
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just... continued to do a really good job of
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putting pressure with their front four, blitzing
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one every now and again, and blitzing from everywhere.
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Oh, they were disguising it really well. And
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CJ wasn't seeing it, wasn't picking it up, so
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he was missing his throws. When he did have time,
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he was still rushing it or over -processing.
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It was late. So he just wasn't thinking right
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from the get -go. I mean, he looked back like
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a rookie almost, like a J .J. McCarthy. And now
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we're to the point where this is CJ's fourth?
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Third year. Right now, you could almost say his
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rookie year is still his best year. Nico Collins
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being out, obviously. Patriots sped him up. And
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then he lost Dalton Schultz in the first two.
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That was pretty brutal. I think losing him as
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well, really. And Houston's defense was just
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on the field too much. And they hung in there
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for a long time. They really tried to make that
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a game all by themselves. I mean, they didn't
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allow any. The defense didn't allow any points
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off of C .J. Stroud's turnovers, which is a remarkable
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thing. And that defense was on the field for
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32 minutes. Unbelievable. That's more than half
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the game. Carry the one. Judge is ruling. Math.
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The only thing I can really say about the Patriots
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is they still weren't great on third downs, so
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they're really going to have to clean some of
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that up. Some of the small things now as they
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go to travel to beat – wow, geez, excuse me.
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Are you calling it already? To play the Broncos.
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Find out if that is my pick or not in the preview
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show, but it's not going to be maybe. You pick
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the Chargers, don't worry. Yeah, I'll pick the
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Chargers. Good call, good call. Yeah, I would
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still like to see Trevion Henderson get the ball
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a little bit more. I don't understand. I'm just
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not as high on Ramondre Stevenson when you've
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got Henderson sitting back there ready to go.
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I know Stevenson ended up getting that thing
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in his eye or whatever and was dealing with that.
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I think it's tough with how explosive Stevenson
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has been when they've needed it. I'm high on
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Henderson, too, and when you look at... What
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he can do when he gets the ball, it's great,
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but it's been so inconsistent because of the
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play of Stevenson. I think that's what they've
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needed quite a bit. I think Travion is one of
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those running backs. He gets better the more
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carries he gets throughout the game type of situation.
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So right on. If he's not getting those carries,
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then yeah, I feel you. But they're pretty even
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carries. It was 16 -12. 16 -12. But I think Ramondre's
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still getting the start. early game carries.
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He had four receptions. I don't know how many
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targets. He's probably a better pass blocker
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than Henderson maybe at this point. He must be.
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That's probably where we're seeing the difference
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in the opportunities. Look at us break down football.
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That'll be your chore. You watch Ramondre's pass
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blocking. I will. I'm breaking it down. PFF probably
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already has it for me. Ramondre's using Chad
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Gibby too. They have McCaffrey at the 18th best
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running back at one point. Yeah, you're a big
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fan. You're a big fan of PFF. Yeah, all right,
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let's move on. We'll talk about the Patriots
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and the Broncos here in a bit, or actually in
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a different episode, excuse me. So look for that.
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Last game of the weekend, the number five Rams
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traveling to the number two Chicago Bears. This
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game was extremely defensive for most of the
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game, but then that fourth quarter. Kind of started,
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I don't know, just kind of ramped up and then
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pure craziness happened. Obviously, it feels
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like the Bears should have not won that game
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anyway. Yes, they didn't win the game. But the
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Caleb Williams play isn't going to be an everyday
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thing. But the fact that he can make that play
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is outstanding. I mean, that just shows who he
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is. We call that arm talent. It is arm talent.
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Do you know who the defender was right there?
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I couldn't quite get back to it. I don't know
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who it was. 37? Little? I don't know. I guess
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I'm not going to act like I'm trying to figure
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it out. I asked AI in my head. Knowing there's
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defenders back there, but hoping that his man
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was back there as well. That's a big guy, but
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sucking it up and hoping and praying. Insane
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play to send that thing to overtime. That's a
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video game play. It is a video game play. It
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is a video game play. Something that... Oh, wait.
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No, it would probably be Ben doing it to me because
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I beat you. No, never. Never, never. All right,
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let's move on. Yeah, what excites you, what doesn't
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excite you about the Rams? winning this game.
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Do you think they actually have an opportunity
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next weekend? I don't want to get too far into
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it, but with what you saw this game. Yeah, I
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think the Rams still have an opportunity. It's
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the Seahawks. They gave the Seahawks a run for
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their money. That was three weeks ago. They had
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one or two bad bounces, and they took the L.
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Competitive L. Who was it last week that said
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that the Bears really needed to stop the Rams'
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run game? I can't remember. Probably me. Which
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one of you guys said that? Just like that. She's
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claiming everything. Hold on. Only if you're
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getting credit for it. Yeah, right. Is this a
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positive thing or a negative thing? Because then
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determine if I said it or not. Because the Rams
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did a pretty good job of stopping Swift in Mnangai.
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100%. Oh, yes. Because you were saying that they're...
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Yeah. They're one of the top duo or the top duo?
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No, they're one of the top duos. Okay. Would
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you take them or Charbonnet and Kemba instead?
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Kemba? Oh, Kemba Walker. Wow. Oh, we're mixing
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up our sports. You know what I'm talking about.
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Kenneth. So, I mean, if Charbonnet is healthy.
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No shizzle. Yeah, let's say he's healthy. Oh,
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man. Because you were really in love with Swift
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and Menungai last week. I've been in love with
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Swift and Menungai for weeks. Do they know this?
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No, they don't. I mean, he broke down Swift's
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numbers all the way back to the Lions. Yeah,
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back when he was a Lion and then he was with
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the Eagle. Whatever. Long story short. That's
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tough. I know. I put you on the spot real quick.
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You don't have to make a commitment. It's okay.
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I'd probably take Walker and Sharpe. Yeah, you
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would. Yeah, you would. Yep. With Jameer Gibbs
22:18
and David Montgomery above them, probably. Yeah.
22:20
I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at the offensive
22:23
line versus who I'm taking as the running backs.
22:25
I mean, they're pretty much. If we were taking
22:28
that out of it, damn it. But I think that's what
22:31
makes them. Which is true. Which is true. All
22:35
right, anyway, let's get back on this game. Sorry,
22:37
I'm just asking all sorts of random crap. You're
22:41
a Packer fan. You got to see Caleb Williams twice
22:43
this year. This is true. Well, three times, actually.
22:45
Yeah, three times. Good job. Two plus one is
22:48
two. Yes. What did I just say? Yeah, whatever.
22:52
What are your thoughts on Caleb Williams moving
22:54
forward? Does he concern you being in the NFC
22:56
North now, like seeing more of, like he seems
22:58
to be progressing, you know, throughout the season.
23:00
Are you scared? I'm not. Are you scared? That's
23:03
a better question. I'm not scared. That doesn't
23:04
take away from his talent. I think he's going
23:06
to be an amazing quarterback. I think he really
23:08
has to figure out. These interceptions and these
23:12
foolish throws he is throwing when he's under
23:14
pressure in the scramble drill, he needs to calm
23:17
down and know how to deal with organized chaos
23:20
versus chaos. I think that's his biggest issue.
23:24
I think if he figures that out, he's going to
23:25
be great. And he needs to run more, and I think
23:27
he figured that out the back half of the season.
23:29
I don't think he was doing as much of that. Probably
23:31
the first half, maybe the first third of the
23:35
season as he was figuring out Ben Johnson's offense.
23:37
Do you think they need to design more runs for
23:39
him? I do think they probably need to do more
23:41
of that. It's not no Jared Goff anymore. And
23:43
I think it's Ben Johnson getting used to Caleb
23:46
Williams. Caleb Williams getting used to this
23:49
offense. I think they'll be great. But the thing
23:52
I would worry about for them is you now have
23:55
a year of tape with Ben Johnson. They're going
24:01
to have tape. They're going to know how they
24:03
run. So what new wrinkles are they adding? Everyone
24:05
else is going to get better. The Vikings are
24:07
going to get better. The Lions are going to get
24:08
better. The Packers are going to get better.
24:09
So I'm not scared of him. Way too early. Who
24:14
wins the NFC North next year? Packers. Yeah,
24:16
well, that was a dumb question. Lions. Lions.
24:20
Lions. Yeah, well, Vikes. Obviously. Two against
24:23
everybody else. In all seriousness, I go off
24:26
of the fourth to first type of. who is fourth
24:32
and third place in every team, excuse me, in
24:35
every division, and were they really as bad as
24:38
their record? And now that's who they get to
24:40
play against, or did they deal with injuries
24:41
or their circumstances? So I look at the Lions,
24:43
and I think they've got a great opportunity in
24:46
front of them next year, knowing that they're
24:48
going to play a fourth -place schedule, if that
24:51
makes me a little nervous. And new OC, we'll
24:53
touch on him in the TED Talks. I love how we
24:58
were all delayed. I was like, do we do it? Kind
25:01
of what he was saying with Caleb, I don't think
25:04
they'll design more runs for him just because
25:06
I don't think they want him to get really more
25:08
hurt, but I think when he has the opportunity
25:09
to run, he needs to run more. But back to the
25:15
decision -making, he needs almost like that's
25:17
where Bo Nix is now. He doesn't make a ton of
25:19
those mistakes, and he does kind of that same
25:22
run around. He'll be super comfortable. And he'll
25:25
throw away the ball, I feel like, or put it in
25:28
a throw position where only his guys can get
25:31
in and take the incomplete versus I think Williams
25:34
still thinks he can fit it in every hole in his
25:37
arm talent. Kevin, I hear you back there. I hear
25:41
you, Cluckin'. Put your pants back. Yeah, it's
25:46
a lot of that hero ball. Yeah, that new desk
25:48
opens up an all -different view. Wow. But, yeah,
25:54
the cluck, the finish there. Fun game. You know,
25:57
frozen tundra. What does cluck the finish mean?
26:00
Well, I don't know. The finish, the finish. We
26:03
didn't even talk about Ben Johnson's decision
26:04
-making. Ooh, that fourth down? Which one? They
26:08
were three for six on fourth down. At some point.
26:12
It's a Dan Campbell school. Yeah. And I love
26:16
Ben Johnson's aggression and continuing to always
26:19
be that. But he didn't read the field and read
26:24
how the game was progressing. And points were
26:27
at a premium. And you had two, well, three opportunities
26:30
to kick field goals. And you decided to just
26:33
go for it, and you left points off the board.
26:36
They had possession of the ball for 39 minutes.
26:38
So I think that that's something to think about
26:43
or remember. And we love having an appreciation
26:46
for that, hey, go for it mentality. But at some
26:50
point, it does come back to bite you. And unfortunately,
26:52
Bears are seeing and experiencing that firsthand.
26:55
So would you say the fourth downs are actually
26:56
lost in the game? I think so. I mean, people
27:01
also point fingers at DJ Moore in that one fourth
27:04
down route. Yeah, kind of lazy, didn't cross
27:06
his face. Yeah. He did stop running on that for
27:11
whatever reason. And Caleb, I think, mentioned
27:14
something about that today, that they just weren't
27:15
on the same page or something. I did see something
27:17
flash. Like, no kidding. He's also mentioned
27:20
they haven't talked since. He wasn't in the locker
27:22
room. He hasn't talked to DJ. Vice versa since
27:26
the game. Oh, controversy. Heard it here first
27:30
on Gridiron Updates. Football fans. All right.
27:36
Well, that was the last game. Dang. It was. Now
27:40
we're down to four? Only four games, and we probably
27:41
took just as long as the normal episode. Yep.
27:45
Yep. Yep. Yep. Justin, thanks for being here,
27:49
man. Appreciate you. Of course. You're here for
27:52
the next two episodes, right? Yeah. All right.
27:54
Well, there you go. All right. Jake. Thanks for
27:57
having me. Jake's here. I am. Jake's going to
27:59
be here. Hey, Rob. Hey, Roberto. Thanks. Love
28:05
football. Oh, he said something this time. Nice.
28:06
I'm so worried. Don't forget. Other character.
28:09
Broke character. Oh, no. You get your mime license
28:12
revoked. I wonder if that's a thing. Anyway,
28:14
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