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EP 58: Are Win / Loss Records A QB Stat? + 2026 NFL Draft Scouting Reports For EDGE Cashius Howell, LB Jacob Rodriguez, DT Christen Miller, WR Chris Brazzell, CB Chris Johnson & CB Brandon Cisse · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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Welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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Welcome to episode 58 of three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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I'm your host Joel and I'm here with my two Co hosts Will and
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Avery. We finally have a three man pod
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again. We've got all six balls back.
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So thank you to will for stepping in as host.
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We, we did. We did all right.
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Thank you to Will for stepping in as host for me last week.
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I hope you're ready to do it again in a few weeks when I go
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on another vacation. Who is allowing this to happen?
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I know what you do for work. There's no way.
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His wife doesn't believe. He's gone.
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I work for my brother-in-law. OK.
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Hey shout out, I can pretty much do whatever I want.
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So Megan just has to talk to her sister and be like, I want
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vacation time, talk to your husband.
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Pretty much well, this last one, this last one was with my
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brother-in-law and this next one is with my family, so.
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Yeah, you actually have to ask off the.
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That's for your birthday. Birthday.
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It is. It is.
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I mean, I didn't really plan it. It's not what I wanted to do for
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my birthday. Dude, I spend time with my
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family. Why would I want to do that for
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my birthday? As an adult, I I get that, yeah.
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Anyways, will you did a good job.
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The only critique I have for you is the pronunciation of Venga
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Yowani's name. I have never said it wrong once
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in my life. You got the first name right,
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but the last name was wrong. Outside of that, very good job.
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You did much better than Avery that when I put him in charge.
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So. Get bent pal.
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No. You don't know how well I did
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because we didn't record. Is that maybe that was a
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different 1? I don't remember.
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Not the same one. Nobody wins, nobody wins.
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It was never recorded. All right, well anyways, today
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we're going to finish up our scouting reports for the 2026
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NFL Draft class. So this will be our last week of
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scouting reports, and then next week we're going to finish
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putting our top 50 big board together before the NFL Draft
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happens. But before we get there, I do
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have a question that I've really been wanting to get your guys's
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opinion on. So a couple weeks ago, I put a
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social media post out about how Packers fans think they're going
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to win the Super Bowl every year.
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And in that post, I mentioned Jordan loves one and three
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playoff record. And apparently I don't know Ball
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because I state statistical facts, but one of the most
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common comments on that post was wins and losses aren't a
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quarterback stat. So my question is, are win loss
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records a quarterback stat? Avery, I feel like you would
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have a strong opinion on this. Why don't you go first?
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I thought I, I, I stated this strong opinion last week.
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Yes, they are. But I think it's an unfair stat.
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So yes, but it's unfair. And the reason is, is because
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you could be a good quarterback and you could be losing games.
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And unless you are like Joe Burrow level, the fans will not
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hold that against you. But if you're Jalen Hurts and
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you're winning games, you're not putting up stats.
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Everyone has a problem with it. So it's it's one of those things
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where it's like, yes, it is a quarterback stat, but it will
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never be applied to you fairly. It's like a subjective
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application, which is really kind of a bummer.
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And that's why you get like, you know, these Justin Herbert
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Glazers, you know, even though he's just never making it out of
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the AFC West and their team always just kind of
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underperforms. But he shows a lot of promise
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and he's dating Madison Beer and they're winning some games even
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though they kind of just deflate by the end of the season.
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Winning games is absolutely a quarterback stat.
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You are required to win with the roster that has been given to
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you. I think Avery was entirely to
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mellow. Let's have a cut.
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Let's go back, Avery. Let's do it one more time.
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More animated, please. No, I'm just kidding.
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We. Tried to hold back there.
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Listen, one of the key reasons people argue against Eli Manning
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in the Hall of Fame as in fact he's 117 and 117 in his in his
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career. So of course it's a it's a QB
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stat. We can't say that he won X 90%
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or lost X 90% of games at the time.
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His career is over and not continuously had that
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conversation throughout the entirety of their career.
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In baseball, wins and losses are a pitcher statistic.
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Now there are caveats if if a player makes an error and they
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score a run that doesn't go against you as a run.
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And so there are caveats and and maybe football needs those.
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But the the caveats I think in football are a lot more team
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based and IE on the quarterback. Like if if your receiver has a
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drop, there is a a percentage chance that the quarterback
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could have put the ball in the better spot to where he didn't
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have a draft. Now there are some of those
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where the receipt hits receivers hands out in open space and he
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just drops the ball That's not on the quarterback.
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But there are there's often times where there is there is
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two people touching the ball almost every single play.
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If not every single play, you've got the center every single play
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and you've got the quarterback, which is not every single play
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when you run Wildcat and things like that.
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But the percentage is, is is that statistically almost every
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single play, your quarterbacks touching the ball, they're the
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ones running your offense. It's it is on their shoulders to
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to win or lose that game. And if your defense can't stop
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them, IE the Bengals a couple years ago, it is on your offense
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just to continue to score more points.
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So I agree with you guys. I think it is absolutely a
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quarterback set. I was hoping that one of you
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guys was going to say that it wasn't a quarterback set.
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So you can yell at us. Exactly.
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So I can give you this argument, but let's take a look at this
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argument anyway. So to the people that say that
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it isn't a quarterback stat, I want to give you an example
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here. So Matthew Stafford, when he was
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with the Lions, he had a record in the regular season, 7490 and
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one. So if Matthew Stafford had never
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left the Lions and that trend of having a losing record continued
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throughout his entire career, would he be a Hall of Famer?
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No, I would argue not. No, but I think people would
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still see him as a great quarterback because even when
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they were losing, he was putting up numbers.
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I mean, I mean, granted, I mean, you put Megatron up there.
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He played for the Lions his whole career.
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You know, it was much shorter, but it's still one of those
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things. At least it's not.
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I mean, and that's where you can see it's not a wide receiver
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stat, but at the same time, like you can look at his stats and be
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like, it's really a shame that he didn't play for a better
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team. And like, that's really how you
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would look at it because it's just like it is that stat like
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that is important. And it's like, dude, you know,
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you get paid way more than other players.
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You are the face of the team. You most likely have dinner with
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the coach or the GM, like, like if you're there, if you are that
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franchise quarterback the entire time, like it almost becomes
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your responsibility to assemble a better team.
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Obviously, you are not, you know, upper management, You're
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not in the front office, you're not the owner.
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But it is still incumbent upon you to do that, to take control
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because you are the leader of that team, especially if you're
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looking at Matt Stafford absolutely was the leader of
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that team. And so I think at that point,
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it's like, OK, maybe it's just time for, you know, to switch
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things up. And at that point, I think, I
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mean, I don't, I don't know many Detroit fans that are, you know,
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see him as, you know, a quitter on the team.
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I think they saw him as, you know, he put in his time, you
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know, but we had to shake things up, you know, to get things
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moving. And it worked out for honestly
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both parties, so. Yeah, I mean, I think in the
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case of Matthew Stafford, we know that it wasn't his fault
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that the Lions were terrible. But if he had a losing record
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when his career ended, had he stayed with the Lions, there's
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no way he's making the Hall of Fame.
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In today's NFL, you're not making the Hall of Fame if you
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have a losing record as a quarterback.
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You're just not. And people will try to argue
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that because there's two modern era quarterbacks in the Hall of
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Fame who do have losing records, which is Joe Namath and Sony
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Jurgensen. But both of those guys played in
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an era of football that paved the way for where we are now.
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The bar was lower for NFL quarterbacks back then than it
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is now. So both of those guys either
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changed the game or they made a big impact on the game during
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the time that they played. And in today's NFL, you don't
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change the game with a losing record, regardless of how good
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you are. To change the game in today's
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NFL, you have to be Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes where you're
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winning multiple Super Bowls within a a certain time frame.
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And that's how you change the game in today's NFL.
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And if you don't do that, and if you have a losing record, you're
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just not going to make the Hall of Fame in today's NFL.
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Wait, real quick, who was the quarterback that Lawrence Taylor
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destroyed? Like ended his career it.
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Wasn't that Joe Namath? So that's what came in there.
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Oh, I was going to. I was really hoping I forgot
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like that. That was his contribution to
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football was getting them left tackles, their money.
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That's what got him into the Hall of Fame.
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I'm glad I fixed that fast enough to where people can't
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they they started. It's actually this guy's too
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wrong. He's an idiot.
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Not if that's you. If you're watching, that's you
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put. Your fingers back in your
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pockets, we reach for the keyboard.
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Put your thumbs away. Anyways, will you mention Eli
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Manning? So do you think Eli Manning
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should make the Hall of Fame? I'm incredibly torn about this.
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Two Super Bowl wins, regardless of how you feel about them.
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He has two Super Bowl wins. I don't think he was MVP for
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either of those. If I remember right, 55 true
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500% win record. He was eight and four in the
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playoffs, including two. And oh, in Super Bowls, I would
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be fine with it going either way.
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I'm fine with him being in it. I'm fine with him not because
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it's hit 57,000 fasting yards. He climbed the list high enough
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to where that's not nothing. 2 Super Bowl wins is not nothing.
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I mean, that's more that's more than Stafford has.
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People are saying he's a first year Hall of Famer right now.
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I mean, there's, there's so many people that are out there that
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are all night Joe Flacco. It's just he's, he's in the same
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argument. Does he make it only one Super
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Bowl and a super one VP? And so I, I don't know.
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I, I truly don't know. I don't think he makes it in
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because I feel like the barrier to entry for the Hall of Fame
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has gotten harder. I, I feel like there's and I'm
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not just talking about the bill. Belichick Apparently you have to
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win 9 super. Bowls, I knew that was to come
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up, but I, I think that the talent level has gone up so much
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that they that they're trying to make it more exclusive and more
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prestigious rather than just letting every above average Joe
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schmo. And not that they ever did that,
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but there is a, a, an error of like we're not doing that
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anymore. You have to be X amount good.
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And and I don't know what the X amount is.
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And they spent like, was it 18 seconds discussing Peyton
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Manning? I think is what the what the
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report was for his Hall of Fame bust.
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And I mean, I'm sure they're going to spend even less time
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talking about Tom Brady. Like there's no question.
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He cheated, He cheated. He was on the Patriots.
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He cheated. Well, you know the.
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Reason Bill Belichick can get in.
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That is truly a shame. At this point, I, I don't, I
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actually don't know how I feel about Eli being here or not.
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I, I think it would be fine if you'd ask me any other guy of
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the era, like Phillip Rivers, I don't think he should be in Joe
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Flacco. Probably not like I, you could
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run through those, those 2000 tens quarterbacks, They've all
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retired to this point. And and Eli is kind of like the
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one real question mark. I think that just is like you
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can't give a definite yes or no without going through
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everything. I wonder if Eli Manning's
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eligibility into the Hall of Fame would have changed had he
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been drafted by the Chargers. That's probably a question for
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his dad though. No, I I mean honestly at this
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point the Hall of Fame just needs a rework.
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I think they just expose themselves at this point.
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Like who even knows? Honestly, at this point right
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now, Eli Manning is getting in because I think he's favorable
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enough and agreeable enough of a person to for the whoever the
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jokers are that decided to get him in.
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So he'll probably make it in. But yeah, other than that, I the
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Hall of Fame is the most subjective, petty thing right
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now. I think it, I think it honestly,
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for the sake of the sport, they need to audit and put those
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people in prison and then rework it and make it more clear as to,
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you know, what gets you in. That being said, I, I, I do
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think there's, there is still a matter of like opinion just
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because there's who, who's the guy from ESPN who was on first
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Take with Stephen A years back? Skip Bayless.
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After Max. Oh.
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Kellerman. Yes, Max Kellerman.
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I saw this thing. I I guess he's been saying this
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for a while, but he said, he said like best versus great.
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And he said like, yeah, there's a lot of players today that are
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better than the greats of old. But like you are, you are
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comparing in a vacuum, like Joe Namath, he didn't, you know,
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maybe win enough games. But you know, in his time, he
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proved to be a great. And so it's the same thing with
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like Olympic athletes, like everyone's breaking world
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records every single time. But it's like you are comparing
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them to the athletes of their time with the technology and the
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resources and the money and everything that you have at your
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disposal. So I do understand that the Hall
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of Fame rules or the criteria gets a little tougher each year.
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And that's just because players are just getting better.
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These, some of these players are just insane.
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But anyway, yeah, I've just got qualms with the the Hall of Fame
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and I don't really know how to approach it right now because I
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think it's a total joke. Yeah, they proved it was it they
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they went back and proved it was a popularity contest and not a
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popularity based on general perception.
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Oh yeah, but it popularity based on their personal feelings.
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Well, we don't. Personal relationship with that
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person. Yeah, and, and that is absolute
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garbage to to me, to most people.
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I, I, I was on the Internet when that happened.
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A lot of people were like, how, how is this actually passable?
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But here we are living on the other side of it.
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You know, I was actually surprised at how many people
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were defending that decision to not put Belichick in, though,
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because there was actually quite a few.
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It's just like Kate, then who does make it?
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Put someone like, tell me a name.
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It's like when someone says like, oh, this player should be
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top five all time. It's like, OK, well then tell me
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who's out. Tell me a player who's out.
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Who who does he replace? So when I see like, oh, yeah,
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Bill Belichick shouldn't have made it.
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Like, OK, who's someone that should have made it?
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Let's compare them. Let's compare them apples to
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apples. And let's find out if that
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person should be in while Belichick is out, you know,
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because it's easy to just say, oh, you know, oh, he no, no, no,
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he shouldn't have made it. It's like, OK, well, who goes?
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Who's ahead of him? Who would be someone that's
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ahead of him? And it's hard to, I mean, I
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would say it's impossible, but I would really love to see someone
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try. At this point, honestly, I don't
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even go. I don't even think I've seen
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anyone make that case. After the podcast.
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I might look that up just to see if I can see them try to make a
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coherent argument. How many times did Belichick
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cheat? Twice.
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Was it twice? Where?
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Hold on. Hold on, hold on.
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Yeah. How many times did he get
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caught? Yeah, yeah, OK, yes.
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How many times did he get caught cheating?
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So if we count Deflategate on him, I think it's two, right?
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But that that was a Tom Brady thing.
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So one. One for Bellatrack, one for
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Brady. I mean, even if we call it
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twice, he would still have 6 Super Bowl rings, 5 as a coach
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and one as a defensive coordinator, which is more than
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everybody else. I, I don't get it.
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But anyways, we got some scouting reports to do, so let's
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move on to the scouting reports. So the first guy up on our list
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today is Texas A&M Edge, Cassius Howl.
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How I feel about Cassius Howl at the NFL level depends on two
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things, where he gets drafted and what role that team gives
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him. If Cassius Hall is expected to
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be an every down player on defense, I don't like him that
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much because he's not very good against the run.
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He's got historically short arms paired with his lighter weight
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for an NFL edge and just doesn't set good edges against the run.
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But if Cassius Hall's role is just to come in on passing downs
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and give quarterbacks nightmares, then I'm all in.
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But going back to the stat that we've mentioned before, since
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1999, there hasn't been a single player with sub 31 inch arms
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that has a double 4 digits sack season or made the Pro Bowl.
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However, I think that a guy like cash is how can come in and make
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a big impact for an NFL defense as a pass rusher, just not as
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the number one guy. The measurements say that cash
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is how will never get a 10 sack season.
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Go get me 9 1/2 sacks. I think cash is how can do that.
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What cash is how lacks with his arm length.
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He makes up for with a violent first step, a relentless motor
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and he's got a really good set of pass rush moves.
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And so I think if you're drafting Cash is how to be this
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every down player who's going to be your number one pass rusher.
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I don't think that's where teams should view him.
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But if you're viewing him as a guy who can help you rush the
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passer and he's not going to be the focal point of your defense,
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then I really, really like Cash's hell a lot as a player.
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Yeah, I, I think honestly, when I think of him, I, I think of
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just it. It's a shame.
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It's a shame that his arms are that short because everything
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else seems to be in line. It just seems like this is just
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some cruel joke the universe is playing on him.
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But like you said, I do think that, you know, depending if
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teams are utilizing him correctly, I think he could be
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put in good positions. That being said, he is one of
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the players that I am really, especially on defense.
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I mean, offense, there's some exciting players I want to keep
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tabs on. But this guy, I really want to
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see how he develops because I think that if there was a guy
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with ridiculously short arms to pass 10 sacks, I think it would
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be him. And so I'm like, it would be
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nice to see. I mean, granted, the sample size
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for guys with short arms getting 10 sacks isn't very large.
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It's not like there's a whole bunch of guys with short arms
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out there trying to get it and can't make it.
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It's usually just the cream of the crop that are out there or
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even put in positions to get double digit sacks.
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So everything else I've seen with this guy is amazing.
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But I also know how important that arm size is, the arm
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length. So I'm very, very curious to see
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how how this guy does. I really don't know.
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I don't have any preconceived notion of how well he would do
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in the NFL because of that one particular stat, but I am very,
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very excited to see how he does. Yeah, I mean, as a pass rusher,
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he's got pretty much everything that you could want just from a
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guy who's going to rush the passer.
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He gets around the corner really well.
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He's got really good bend. He's got a really high motor.
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He's just going 100 miles an hour the entire time when he's
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rushing the passer. But he just doesn't have the
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arms. He doesn't have the arm length.
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That's the one thing, but he has everything else that you would
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want in a pass rusher. He's nearly the exact opposite
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of of Keltrick folk, right? We talk sat here and talk
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Keltrick folk. He's all run, all run no pass
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Cassius how all pass, no run it. It kind of is like a weird
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dynamic where you wish you could draft both of them as a package
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deal like like back in the schoolyard when you're trying to
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pick players. Well, me and him are a package.
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So if you get 1, you get both of us.
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Like that was just OK back then. It's just a little weird
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concept. We all did it anyway.
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And so it's it's it's like you need Cassius Howell on 3rd down
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and Keltrick frock on 1st and 2nd down.
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And that way they can just swap each other out the entire game.
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And they both make the Pro Bowl because they're never tired
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because they're never in the whole game.
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We sat here and kind of continue on with the the arm blade thing.
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We sat here and. RIP Ruben Band apart for his
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short arms. Cassius Hale has arms that are
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5/8 of an inch shorter, which is over half an inch, which does
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not see. This is not half an inch, by the
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way, which does not seem like a lot when you're talking, when
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you're talking first punch, when you're talking first contact and
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your arms are 2 1/2 inches shorter than the offensive
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tackles you're going up against regularly.
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That is a huge deal. And we really shouldn't like
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him. We really shouldn't if his arms,
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if if we were talking about 31 and a quarter or even 31 and 5/8
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or something like that, if his arms were just like an inch
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longer or an inch and a half longer, he'd be top 15 pick most
20:59
likely. Like top ten?
21:01
He's top 10. Yeah, I I can absolutely agree
21:04
with that. Realistically, we're looking,
21:06
we're looking 25 to 30 best case scenario because of it.
21:10
It's it's a huge deal, but he has every other intangible you
21:13
would want except for the fact that he's got T Rex arms and
21:16
saying T Rex arms is so 30 and 1/4 inch arms are not short by
21:23
regular human standards, but we're not measuring him to
21:27
regular human standards. I mean, they're shorter than
21:29
mine and I can't even extend my arms all the way so.
21:32
That's true. We did that live on the screen
21:34
that. Was fun, Avery.
21:35
We did actually measure. Pterodactyl bone wing arms.
21:40
You did it on on the cast, Yeah. Yeah, we did actually measure
21:43
our arms. Yeah, Joel, on that polar
21:45
measuring case, we measured right here on camera.
21:48
Oh shoot, what are you guys? -31 so I have longer arms in
21:51
Reuben Bane. Will has longer, right?
21:54
Yeah, Will's is like 34 I think. Yeah, 30. 3 has long arms.
21:58
Yes, I I my arms are longer than I am tall and I stand 6 foot 3
22:02
inches. Three different measurements.
22:04
Yeah, like a Neanderthal. Yeah, absolutely.
22:08
You know, no. Just helped him rebounding.
22:10
He just didn't. Have to I never jumped like
22:12
just. Literally dude, I was trying so
22:16
hard to get the ball and you would just not even leave.
22:17
The floor and you just hit me to temple with your pointy ass
22:20
elbows, started Dwayne it. Was the only way I could hit
22:22
you. It was the only way I could get
22:24
the ball. He started poison tipping them
22:27
hit you and then you just like overtime.
22:29
Just take poison damage, pass. Out I had to createspace
22:32
somehow. Yeah.
22:36
Anyway, so something to look at with Cassius Hal and his ability
22:39
to rush the passer. So last season Cassius Hal
22:41
played in 12 games and he had a sack in seven of those.
22:45
But three out of the five games where he didn't have a sack last
22:48
year were against Notre Dame, Texas and Miami.
22:51
So in those three games combined, he had 64 Pasho snaps,
22:54
0 sacks, 2 quarterback hits and four hurries.
22:57
He just didn't make an impact against the three best teams
23:00
that he played against last season.
23:01
Now, that could be attributed to him being the clear #1 pass
23:04
rusher on his team because he had 11 1/2 sacks last year and
23:08
the next guy had 4 1/2. But at the NFL level, it's not
23:11
going to get easier when you're the number one pass rusher.
23:14
So again, if Cash's house being drafted to come in and be the
23:17
number one guy as a pass rusher, I don't know if that's going to
23:20
go well, but if he's a guy who can compliment your number one
23:24
pass rusher, I think he's going to be really, really good in
23:27
that role. Yeah.
23:30
I have nothing else to add. Well, let's move on to the next
23:33
guy on our list, which is Texas Tech linebacker Jacob Rodriguez.
23:38
And I have a take here about Jacob Rodriguez, and I'm not
23:40
sure if you guys are going to agree with me or not, so I'm
23:42
curious to see what you guys have to say.
23:44
Chances are just for content. We will see.
23:47
I'll. Agree with you inside, but
23:49
outside I have to. I have to respond with outrage.
23:52
So go on. I would How could you?
23:56
How? Dare you?
23:59
I wouldn't expect anything else from you guys.
24:01
Oh, you weren't even. You weren't even talking about
24:03
it. Dang it.
24:04
I jumped together on my bed. Fall start five year friendly.
24:08
Anyways, I would not be surprised if Jacob Rodriguez
24:11
ends up being the best linebacker from this draft
24:13
class. Now with that being said, I do
24:16
think that Sonny Styles is the best linebacker prospect in this
24:18
draft, but it's hard to look at the tape of Jacob Rodriguez and
24:21
not think he's an absolute game changer.
24:24
Over the last two seasons, he's had 255 tackles, 10 forced
24:28
fumbles and five interceptions, and if that's not a game
24:31
changer, I don't know what is. He's going to be a linebacker
24:34
we're consistently talking about because of how he changed the
24:37
course of a game every single week.
24:39
He consistently raised the level of play of that Texas Tech
24:42
defense, and I think he's going to do the same thing at the NFL
24:46
level. I think, well, first of all, I
24:48
agree with you. I think though that Jacob
24:52
Rodriguez's success is highly dependent on the defensive line.
24:58
I think if if he has a good defensive line, he can excel way
25:04
more than than any average linebacker would.
25:07
I say that because he absolutely destroyed every team except
25:13
Oregon. And that's because we basically
25:15
negated their defensive line and then he was having to do too
25:19
many things. And I think that's where you get
25:21
that kind of bites on misdirection.
25:23
He goes all in on a lot of these plays.
25:26
And for the most part, he's very, I mean, he's very smart.
25:28
He played quarterback, You know, I, I, I think he has a very,
25:31
very good defensive mindset, a very good football mindset,
25:35
which helps him obviously with getting these.
25:37
You don't just, you don't stumble into 128 tackles.
25:41
And so I think just seeing how he plays here, I mean, we've had
25:47
so many guys where it's like, I mean, they've got all the
25:50
physical attributes, but they only tackled 5 people this
25:53
season. But we promise they'll do better
25:55
once they're a professional. Like this guy is been doing it.
25:59
And so, yeah, I mean, there's been guys even this, see who's
26:04
that cornerback that didn't even play?
26:07
We've got guys that just like got 2 tackles, 2 sacks.
26:11
So I just, I, I think, I think this, this is somebody who has
26:14
just been proving that he can play the position.
26:17
Maybe there's a bit of a learning curve, but this guy can
26:19
excel at it. I mean, obviously you watch the
26:21
tape. I mean, he won.
26:22
What did he win? Which which award did he win?
26:24
Just best defensive player, all of all of them.
26:26
Every defensive, yeah. All of the linebacker.
26:28
Awards. So I mean, he's already the best
26:31
linebacker, I I see no reason to see why he would drop that far
26:37
after going pro. I mean, ever you mentioned it,
26:39
he came into college, not Texas Tech.
26:43
I don't remember what college he went into originally, but he he
26:46
was recruited into college as a linebacker, but he was also a
26:50
three star quarterback recruit, recruited that way out of high
26:53
school into college, and then transferred to Texas Tech where
26:56
he became full time linebacker with his twin brother.
26:58
Twin brother might not play linebacker.
27:00
I don't actually know what I'm talking about him anyway.
27:02
And I think that's the exact reason as to why you see what
27:05
you see. He he performed a high level and
27:09
and a three star quarterback is not the average high school
27:14
quarterback that is way better than your Joe Schmo at your
27:17
local high school just to even get 3 stars is, is not easy in
27:22
the real world. This is not NCAA Football, but
27:24
you're putting it on easy mode just to get your high school
27:27
your five stars in terms of the difficulty you actually want
27:29
when you get high to college. This is like from Minnesota.
27:34
I believe he he was a legit quarterback, took his team all
27:37
the way to the state semi finals, got recruited that way,
27:41
turned linebacker and then realized, oh, wait a minute,
27:44
this is the same thing I was doing over there.
27:47
I can just I, I know the route trees, I know the route.
27:50
I know what this means. I know what that means.
27:53
I've ran these plays now let me just counteract them.
27:56
And so I think that his his intelligence to do all of that
28:00
together, it has made them excel.
28:03
And that's why we see the turnovers we see because he's
28:05
reading, reading the plays before they happened, because
28:08
he's ran the plays. And so he just gives him a leg
28:13
up that other linebackers just don't have.
28:16
Yeah, I think really the one kind of like the biggest knock
28:19
on Jacob Rodriguez is I wouldn't call him the small linebacker,
28:23
but he does lack length, which has led to a higher missed
28:27
tackle rate throughout his career.
28:28
So in 2025, he missed 13.9% of his tackles, and then in 2024,
28:33
his missed tackle rate was 17.1%.
28:35
So if you look at his 255 tackles over the last two
28:38
seasons, that's awesome. But the lack of his length
28:42
caused him to miss 42 tackles over the last two years.
28:44
So that could potentially be a problem in the NFL.
28:48
But and like Avery mentioned, you don't just stumble into 128
28:51
tackles. Jacob Rodriguez is very, very
28:54
good. This guy's awesome.
28:56
How high do you think Jacob Rodriguez should be drafted?
28:58
I think he will and we can put this on our spreadsheet if that
29:02
even exists. I don't even know if it exists
29:04
but I know we keep referring to it.
29:05
I think he will be taken a lot higher than he is projected
29:10
probably. I could honestly see him.
29:11
Going in the lottery or whatever.
29:13
I could honestly see him going in the.
29:15
Top 20 of the draft. Really.
29:17
Yeah. He's.
29:18
Getting a lot of talk. He's getting a lot of talk from
29:21
teams that are up there, like the 15 to 20 range.
29:24
I was thinking around 15. I still haven't mentioned an
29:27
early day too guy, but I'm willing to be completely wrong.
29:30
I. Mean I just I'm just like where?
29:32
I think he will go, yeah, where he think.
29:34
I think if I had to put money on it.
29:36
I I think positional value really matters and Jacob
29:41
Rodriguez doesn't play the style of linebacker that the NFL needs
29:47
or is shifting to now. Yes, he's got the full fumbles,
29:50
but he bites really hard on play fakes.
29:53
And the NFL is in right now shifting more towards your
29:56
counter runs, your your what you got your zones with, with
29:59
cutback lanes. And it does not feed the Jacob
30:02
Rodriguez's play style because because he plays so aggressive,
30:05
he gets up in there and he gets washed out of the play and cut
30:08
back lanes open up. So I think if we were talking
30:11
5-10 years ago, I'd say, yeah, easy top ten, truly.
30:15
But that's just not the case right now.
30:17
And not that he won't go on to be the best linebacker of the
30:20
class. I actually don't agree with that
30:22
statement, but I didn't. Say he would be, I said he could
30:25
be. OK, well then sure, Yeah, he
30:28
could be. Of course he could be now we're
30:30
talking about potential right now, but I just don't.
30:34
I still think he's AI think somebody trades up early round
30:38
two to get the guy they wanted in round one but didn't feel
30:42
they had the room to take so 38 or so, 4038 to 40.
30:47
It's a really narrow window, but.
30:49
I mean, that's still really good.
30:53
Anyways, unbelievable honestly. Yeah, I think people forget a
30:55
lot of the times, like if you're getting a guy who's not drafted
30:58
in the first round, I think they think that they suck.
31:01
But that's just not how it works.
31:04
It's just not. Anyways, let's let's move on to
31:08
our next guy, which is Georgia defensive tackle Christian
31:11
Miller. Christian Miller's been getting
31:13
a lot of hype from people like draft analysts.
31:16
He's been getting a lot of hype recently, and I just don't think
31:19
I'm as high on him for some reason as some of these draft
31:21
analysts are and will. Why don't you tell me why that
31:24
is? Sure, I don't know why you like
31:27
to. Hurt people so.
31:28
I I don't know why you personally feel this way, but I
31:32
can tell you what I feel. He's powerful, he's very strong,
31:36
sturdy, square point of attack. He exposed with his hips, which
31:39
is is better than we see a lot of people who are trying to use
31:42
their arms more. He tries to bring his power with
31:44
him he has, but he also has the upper body power and knock
31:47
people back. Good balance which is great for
31:50
a man his size 64321. The problem is he can't rush the
31:55
passer right He's he's pure run and even then he doesn't.
32:00
He gets eaten by double teams rather than eating up double
32:03
teams. And so he he's going to stop the
32:05
run fairly well. He does have a lot of room to
32:08
grow with the double teams and, and truly rushing the passer.
32:12
And if he doesn't get his hands on you, on you, you're not
32:15
making a title. He's not making a title.
32:17
He will, he will lose a lot of time who's trying to overextend
32:21
and overreach you, getting pushed or moved out of the way.
32:23
He also gets a tunnel vision at times where he's he gets a hole
32:27
and he just runs through it without really paying attention.
32:30
And that's going to get you trapped and and get you knocked
32:33
on your booty in the NFL. And so I do like him a lot.
32:37
I don't actually think I would like him moving up the boards a
32:40
lot either, truly, because he can get fooled easy and he has
32:45
so many gaps with his A man his size should not be getting
32:49
pushed around by double teams as easily as he does.
32:52
I don't really care for my defensive tackles personally.
32:55
Rushing the rushing the passer, that's not where I want them to
32:58
make their money. I want them to eat up the blocks
33:00
and even then he has a hard time doing that.
33:02
Yeah, I think the reason why I'm not super high on him is because
33:05
of how high I am on Kid McDonald, because Kid McDonald
33:09
was a highly productive player and that makes him really stand
33:12
out because he's always making the play.
33:14
Christian Miller's tape. Just, it seemed boring to me.
33:18
And I understand that maybe that's what you want from your
33:20
defensive tackle, right? Maybe you want your defensive
33:22
tackle to be boring, But I just think Kid McDonald was much more
33:25
impressive to me and he's not a boring defensive tackle.
33:29
So I think Christian Miller can raise the floor of a defensive
33:32
line, but just not in an exciting way like Kate McDonald
33:35
can do for you. For the most part I agree with
33:37
you guys. I feel like defensive tackle is
33:39
one of those positions where it is hard to tell when someone is
33:45
doing a lot like at least compared to other positions.
33:48
That being said, I agree with Will.
33:50
This dude is strong, very strong, and I think he's got a
33:53
good technique as far as just like what it says here, hands
33:58
over a shotgun on contact, upper body power stops blockers from
34:02
controlling him. I feel like for the most part
34:05
when he gets double teamed, I think a lot of this is just, I
34:08
want to say coaching. This is another one of those
34:11
players where it's like, hey, did we really see it in college?
34:14
Is this more of a, you know, potential kind of thing?
34:19
That being said, I also agree with Joel.
34:22
I wasn't blown away by any of the tape.
34:25
He seems like just a solid football player for this
34:29
position. And I, I couldn't really find
34:32
anything else that was that really stood out.
34:34
But also at the same time, I didn't really see anything that
34:37
was necessarily that bad. So maybe I, I think you'd be a
34:44
good football player on a good football team, so.
34:47
It's the problem. We've looked at so many of these
34:49
guys, they all start to a blend together and B, if you're not
34:52
the top end talent, it's like, I mean, yeah, I guess he's good.
34:56
He's not this other guy, but I guess he's fine.
34:58
He's way better than me. I I couldn't do what he could
35:02
do, but I'm not being asked to. Yeah.
35:06
I think my biggest problem with Christian Miller is he just
35:09
reacts late to the snap. You can clearly see on tape that
35:12
when the ball is snapped, he's not firing off the ball.
35:15
He's clearly late and that is probably one of the biggest
35:18
reasons why we haven't seen him be super productive with his
35:21
numbers. The most tackles he's ever had
35:23
in one season is 27 and again, to compare that to Kate
35:26
McDonald, it just doesn't even come close to measuring up.
35:29
He's very good with the stacking shed against the run, but he
35:31
just reacts late to the snap. And if he would react like right
35:35
when the ball is snapped, he could just overpower people
35:38
right away and just blow up the plate.
35:39
But because he's late to react, he doesn't do that.
35:42
So that's probably the biggest thing that I didn't like about
35:45
him. And again, overall, I think he
35:48
was just kind of like boring to watch honestly.
35:52
I'm bored, let's move on. Next.
35:56
All right, the next player is Tennessee wide receiver Chris
35:59
Brazil. Now I want to start this one off
36:01
by sharing a I want to start off by sharing a stat about Chris
36:07
Brazil that I heard on the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast.
36:10
So over the last two seasons at Tennessee, Chris Brazil has
36:13
played 1196 snaps and now that takes out his 49 slot snaps.
36:19
But of those 1196 snaps, Chris Brazil played all but two of
36:24
those snaps on the right side. He played only two total snaps
36:27
on the left side over the last two years, 1 snap on the left
36:30
side each year. You guys have any thoughts on
36:33
that bad coaching, which is kind of what we've seen in Tennessee
36:37
with their wide receivers going into the NFL, honestly.
36:40
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's a that's a big I I heard doing my review
36:45
of this guy. That was what I heard the most
36:48
is you have to review the player, not the helmets.
36:51
And and it's a Tennessee wide receiver.
36:54
So, OK, let's just write them up is going to be probably bad in
36:56
the NFL, but it's not the receiver's fault.
37:00
It is legitimately coaching staff fault for for doing that
37:03
to him and not creating more opportunities.
37:07
Now, maybe in practice he can't catch the ball from the left.
37:10
He can't turn his body this way. He couldn't turn it that way.
37:13
That I don't believe that's true because you don't you don't get
37:15
to be a starting receiver in the SEC if you can't prove it.
37:21
And that's part of proving it. So I think it is legitimately
37:24
just bad coaching. I mean, I think the difference
37:26
between Chris Brazil and other guys that we've seen going into
37:29
the NFL like Jalen Hyatt, Jalen Hyatt or Cedric Tillman, like
37:34
we've seen a few of these guys go from Tennessee into the NFL
37:37
and they just do nothing. But I think the biggest
37:39
difference is that Chris Brazil can actually run NFL routes.
37:44
He can actually create separation for himself instead
37:47
of just being able to get separation because of how the
37:50
offense is being run. Chris Brazil can actually get
37:55
separation for himself. Like he has the speed to beat
37:57
you over the top with a 43740, but he also is very good at
38:01
selling his vertical routes and using that big play speed and
38:05
then sinking his hips to change direction and get separation
38:07
from the corner. So that's kind of the difference
38:10
between some of these other guys we've seen from Tennessee going
38:12
into the NFL where they have big expectations and then they do
38:15
literally nothing versus Chris Brazil is he can actually get
38:20
separation on his own. He doesn't need somebody to
38:23
steam up separation for him, he can actually do it himself.
38:27
I don't think he's going to be that great and actually has
38:31
nothing to do with him wearing a Tennessee uniform.
38:34
This guy, I mean, and this is also I'm going up vibes here.
38:37
I know that he is oversized. I think he's a little weaker
38:41
than he should be, but he's got clearly great change of
38:44
direction, incredible speed. I think he was a four three
38:48
something 437. Yeah, incredibly fast.
38:52
I think the big thing for me is just his.
38:56
I think he is a below average catcher and I think that that is
39:01
going to absolutely bite him in the NFLI think regardless of all
39:06
his speed, size, everything. I, I, I just, I feel like, and
39:11
you can write this down on the the document as well.
39:16
I just don't think he's really going to go anywhere.
39:18
I think he's been blessed be putting a professional football
39:23
player's body and I think he will severely underperform.
39:27
And everyone can get mad at me. I actually, I had no idea about
39:30
all that other Tennessee receiver crap.
39:32
I didn't even know that, but I can I can see that maybe there's
39:35
a trend here. Maybe they need to investigate
39:38
who Tennessee is recruiting on the receiver end.
39:42
So my Internet froze. I didn't hear a single word
39:44
Avery said. So let me ignore everything that
39:46
he said and go my own way anyway.
39:49
Do it. Let me tell.
39:50
You. That's actually great.
39:51
That's actually great. Let me tell you if, if I could
39:53
have heard what you said, I'm going in the same path.
39:55
Anyway, this freight train had left the station and it wasn't
39:58
it wasn't turning around. What I can say is I actually
40:00
disagree with you, Avery. I think, Chris, is it Brazil or
40:04
Brazil? Brazil.
40:06
Brazil, that's dangerously close.
40:08
Chris Brazil, he's the best of the rest.
40:11
We've talked about like 5 or 6 wide receivers now to this
40:14
point. And I think that those we talked
40:17
about go and round 1-2, maybe one of them leaks into round
40:21
three. I think Denzel Boston's kind of
40:23
losing some some speed and the draft boards.
40:26
Maybe I'm just talking out of my keister here, but I think I
40:30
think we have an early day three guy and Chris Brazil because of
40:33
positional value when the best guys are gone, those teams with
40:37
drafts, your lineman and your guards and stuff like that in
40:39
the middle. And I understand guards are
40:41
lineman, but those are after lineman in the middle rounds and
40:44
they'll get back to this to the take a chance on a skill player
40:46
on day three. I think he's an early day three
40:49
guy and I I think that he is going to to shine.
40:52
He's going to go somewhere where they're going to need somebody
40:55
who's tall with his speed and let them do this thing he's been
40:58
doing his entire career. I mean, every, every team's
41:01
constantly looking for a vertical threat.
41:04
They just don't usually come at six foot four.
41:06
He feels like, to me, he feels like the perfect Panthers or
41:10
Raiders wide receiver. He's tall and fast and can just
41:13
move down the field and he, he will, he will spread the field
41:16
open for you, allow your, your other playmakers underneath.
41:20
But as Joe, as you mentioned, he can sink his hips, he can flip
41:23
him around and he can make a make a play on a day route.
41:26
Now they only ever had him running slants and and and go
41:30
routes. But again, it's a coaching
41:31
problem. He has a professional wide
41:34
receiver route tree. They just never utilized it.
41:36
So he can do all the things. Additionally, he has incredible
41:40
footwork where he can make a toe tapping boundary catch.
41:42
He saw it multiple times in college.
41:44
Now it was only one foot, but I think it will translate well
41:47
getting both feet down in the pros.
41:49
I actually am a big fan of Chris Brazil here.
41:52
I, I, I like him. I, I would love for the Rams to
41:55
draft him and, and let him learn and, and and grow. 6 foot four
41:58
with one with 437 speed is not that common.
42:02
Real quick, maybe you guys don't have someone and that would be
42:04
fine because I'm putting you on the spot.
42:06
If you guys were to compare this guy to somebody, who would be
42:08
your comparison? He's a faster Marquez Valdez
42:11
Scanlon. Same same body size, same body
42:14
height, almost the same way he browses, just faster.
42:18
The guy I was thinking of, and this is a weird comparison and
42:23
you can probably see why I'm comparing him, but Dorio, Green
42:26
Beckham, this guy's obviously alive.
42:30
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy's obviously a lot, a
42:33
lot. I want to say smaller.
42:35
I think he's an inch smaller and probably about 40 lbs lighter.
42:38
But I, I just remember back, I'm just OK.
42:43
He had everything. He had everything.
42:47
He had Greg Odin's high school scouting report.
42:52
Like this guy was supposed to be unstoppable.
42:55
And granted, there was some off the field stuff that like,
42:58
really just derailed his career. But this guy, every time I saw
43:03
him play, that's who he reminded me of.
43:05
And again, I'm not saying they're the same person, but I
43:08
feel like when it's all said and done, let's say 10 years down
43:13
the road, you put Chris Brazil and Doriel Green Beckham in the
43:16
same category. And like, yeah, they had
43:18
different careers. But like, yeah, equally as
43:21
disappointing maybe. I think.
43:22
I think Beckham will be more disappointing.
43:24
That was a generational fumble. But I just don't think this guy
43:28
is coming to to to produce. And I think honestly, I think it
43:32
has to do with like when it's all said and done, you can
43:34
create all the space you want. You can jump over anyone you
43:37
want, You can outrun anyone you want.
43:40
But if you don't have elite catching skills like it's, it's
43:45
just not going to translate. And I think that they're the
43:48
corners, the the defensive backs are too good in the NFL.
43:51
They're not going to let them get easy ones.
43:54
And when it comes to those big plays where it's like, hey, it's
43:57
between this defensive back and this receiver who's going to
43:59
come down with it, This guy is no Julio Jones.
44:04
I, I don't trust this guy to go up and get the ball.
44:07
I'm sure he has a chance to get the ball.
44:09
I'm sure he he could reach up there and grab it.
44:11
But like, will he come down with it?
44:13
Will it be like, oh man, Oh yeah, the defensive back just
44:16
knocked the ball. I just, I'm just not saying it.
44:20
I'd love to be wrong. I would love it if the Rams
44:23
drafted him and he and he failed though.
44:24
I would love that too. I think how you view Chris
44:29
Brazil is kind of similar to how you view Cassius.
44:32
How Like how is the team using Chris Brazil?
44:35
If you're expecting Chris Brazil to be your number one wide
44:37
receiver, then yeah, I don't think he's like him.
44:40
But if you're viewing him as a wide receiver 3, then I think
44:44
you should like him. But I do agree with you, Avery,
44:46
that he's not an elite catcher for a guy of his size.
44:49
You would think that he'd be just to like just throw it up
44:51
and just let him catch a type of receiver.
44:53
But his contested catch numbers are just not impressive at all.
44:56
He had 49 contested catch opportunities in his career and
45:00
he only caught twenty of those, which is 40.8%.
45:03
So although he is tall, he's kind of skinny.
45:06
He doesn't have like he's not going to overpower people when
45:10
he's going up for a contested catch.
45:12
So I do agree with you there. I just think that if you're
45:15
viewing him as a wide receiver 3, then you should like him a
45:19
lot more than if you're viewing him as a wide receiver one
45:21
because I don't think he's a wide receiver one.
45:24
Well, that's a really good wide receiver 3.
45:27
If that's the case, then if I think he's a really good wide
45:28
receiver, three. I mean, if we're talking about
45:30
the fourth round here, the fifth round here, yeah, I think he'd
45:34
be a great pick up. I think this is one of those
45:36
guys that you're playing pickup ball and you're drafting your
45:38
team and you see this guy who looks athletic.
45:41
You see, you saw him at, you saw him be athletic, you saw him
45:43
dunk the ball and then you play and you're like, oh, oh, no, no,
45:47
no, no, no. This guy, like this guy just
45:50
doesn't have the goods that he should.
45:52
And all you just think is like, I what a shame, what a shame.
45:56
And I'm being, I'm being hyperbolic here.
45:58
Of course. I mean, this guy, this guy's a
46:00
football player. He knows how to play football.
46:01
But I just think for what he has going for him, I don't think he
46:07
has that dog in him. I need to change topics here
46:11
real quick. Congratulations Ford.
46:13
McElroy just sunk his bogey putt to win the Masters for.
46:17
The same year. Ruin 90s masters Rory Mac Rory
46:20
back-to-back years, anyway. Back I thought you were watching
46:22
your kids there. What is this?
46:24
A golf podcast? What are you talking?
46:25
About Look, we call ourselves three guys, 6 balls.
46:29
Maybe golf is one of the balls all right.
46:33
That was a good shout out. That was live.
46:35
I mean this show was the. Live, I just watched it happen.
46:37
I mean, I'm paying deep attention to our podcast, My
46:39
Internet Cut Out. Sure.
46:43
OK, OK. All right.
46:47
Anyways, next guy, this is San Diego State corner Chris
46:51
Johnson. Wait, this isn't the running
46:53
rate. Oh yeah, CJ2K.
46:54
Yeah, he's. Coming back to you, I did this
46:56
on the wrong guy. Avery, tell me about San Diego
47:01
State cornerback Chris Johnson. I like this guy.
47:05
I like him a lot. I like him a lot more than the
47:07
other cornerback we're about to talk about, and I think this
47:10
guy's got the goods. I think he's great.
47:13
I think he's fantastic. I think he's going to do really,
47:16
really well in the NFL as opposed to the last guy we just
47:19
talked about. Look, here's my problem.
47:24
I I think he dominated college, but he played in the Mountain
47:28
West. You were the best player in the
47:31
worst, not the worst division, but one of the worst divisions.
47:34
Of course you were good. You, you didn't challenge
47:37
yourself in the excuse me in the world of transfer portal and
47:42
make your money. He chose to just sit and be the
47:45
best player on on a bad well, not a bad roster, a bad
47:50
conference. Go do something somewhere else.
47:53
How many times have we said this already where it's like, oh, I'm
47:57
so glad he transferred and still did well.
48:00
I'm so glad he we had made the same comments about what's his
48:04
bucket to safety from Toledo. Joel, help.
48:09
Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Crushed it.
48:11
Could not have done better myself.
48:12
Literally. Couldn't you watch it happen?
48:14
We said, I said the same thing about him.
48:15
We're saying, yeah, you did great, but you did it at Toledo.
48:18
Do the same thing in in the Big 10, do the same thing in the
48:21
even in the ACC. You were so good at San Diego
48:24
State until you had to play a big game and you didn't perform
48:28
as well because you were at San Diego State and the whole team
48:31
didn't perform as well. You're only going to be as good
48:33
as the competition level around you not the San Diego State is
48:37
not a competitive college. It's just not the same level as
48:40
the NFL. The SEC is not the same level as
48:43
the NFL. The a big 10 ACC.
48:45
The power four are not the same level, but it's closer than a
48:50
non powerful conference than a group of five or whatever you
48:53
want to call him. I just.
48:54
You know who the last guy? Do you know who the last guy
48:57
that was at San Diego State who got talked about like this was?
49:00
Derek Carr. Kawhi Leonard, that was Fresno
49:04
State by the way. Kawhi Leonard.
49:07
Kawhi Leonard got disrespected. Same conference, same
49:13
conference, same bad conference slightly in basketball than
49:17
football. I will give you that.
49:19
But I but I think, but regardless, because I understand
49:22
what you're saying, this guy knows ball.
49:25
Ball told me. He knows this guy.
49:28
He he knows this guy. And I'm I'm telling you, put it
49:33
on the dock. Put it on the dock.
49:35
This guy's going to crush it. This guy knows Ball.
49:37
He knows how to play defense. He knows how to play corner.
49:40
This guy's going to rock. I'm calling it now.
49:43
Calling I agree with you Avery IA 100% agree with you and will.
49:46
Nice. You should will you should go
49:48
look at Sauce Gardner. When he played at Cincinnati, he
49:51
didn't play in a good conference.
49:53
I would say Sauce had a slightly tougher schedule because he did
49:56
play a couple teams like Notre Dame and Alabama, but most of
49:59
the time he was going up against teams like East Carolina,
50:02
Temple, Murray State. He wasn't going up against high
50:05
level competition each week either.
50:07
Sauce Garden, the one who just went O and 16 last year.
50:10
No, he got out before that happened.
50:11
He got out before it happened. He.
50:13
He. Went O and eight on The Jets and
50:15
an O and eight on the Colts. He took two teams that were.
50:19
Actually, he's the only player. Yeah, yeah, he's the only
50:22
player. In the league team.
50:24
Wow. Well, win loss records.
50:27
Aren't. Quarterbacks Owen 17 Owen 17.
50:31
That's my bad. I'm I'm shorting him a loss.
50:34
He got to the win. Loss records.
50:36
He never won a quarterback stats.
50:39
They're not cornerback stats. All I'm saying is I don't trust
50:45
it. I'm willing to be proven wrong.
50:47
But I mean, we have it here. Inconsistency at catch point
50:50
that is going to be incredibly damning in the NFL at trouble
50:55
battling big body receivers. There's none of those in the
50:57
NFL. He should be fine.
51:00
Receivers create separation on vertical routes, so that doesn't
51:03
happen at all. So we're going to.
51:05
Yeah, you're right. He'll be great, he'll be fine.
51:07
Well, will you want to read some of the strengths there?
51:09
For me, no. Those don't.
51:10
Those are my actually. No, my fact's not yours.
51:15
Mine. I reject your truth.
51:19
This is my truth. Anyways, in 2025, Chris Johnson
51:24
only allowed 18 catches on 43 targets for 185 yards and 0
51:30
touchdowns. In addition to that, he had four
51:32
interceptions, 2 of which he returned for pick sixes.
51:36
I think he's going to be incredible.
51:37
Love it, love it. I like how Sauce Gardner was
51:41
just he's that guy in traffic that see that's stuck in
51:44
traffic. He sees that lane moving, gets
51:46
in that lane, and then that lane stops and then his previous lane
51:49
just keeps going. He's like, what the hell?
51:52
That's what he did all last season.
51:55
No, he did get hurt, Yeah. Yeah, all.
52:00
Right. Do you guys have anything else
52:01
to add with Chris Johnson? No.
52:06
I guess not, I was going to look up his game by game stats and
52:09
prove that I'm right and you're wrong, but we can move on.
52:13
I hope we don't really prove. That with corner stats though.
52:16
Yeah, because if the 18, if the 18 catches were all against
52:21
bigger schools and the and the rest of them were not, then of
52:24
course he performed well against bad competition.
52:28
Of course that's what you want, that's what you expect.
52:32
Oh, I think we have it. Let's move on.
52:33
OK, let's go. Yeah, I know.
52:35
I have it. Yeah, move on.
52:36
You over it. OK, fine, fine.
52:38
I'll go back. I'll go back.
52:38
I'll go back. Fine, go go.
52:43
I don't have it. I lied to you.
52:44
What? What the?
52:48
OK, fine. Here's the hold on.
52:50
Now here's the problem. The only good team he played
52:54
last year, only good team he played last year was Washington
52:58
State. They played terrible competition
53:02
all year. Stony Brook, Washington State,
53:04
California, Northern Illinois, Colorado State, Nevada, I guess
53:09
maybe Fresno State, Wyoming, Boise State, San Jose State and
53:13
New Mexico. And you know what he did against
53:15
against Boise State? One pass deflection.
53:20
He has 6 tackles. Because you know what?
53:22
Because you don't have 6 somebody.
53:23
Starting in. That does not mean that that
53:27
means he misses the ball and they catch it anyway.
53:31
Or he's making plays on run stops.
53:32
He's a run stop in corner the. Worst.
53:35
Oh yeah, he's all of it. So all of his 18 catches
53:38
allowed. To oh, he's a run.
53:39
Is that the worst breed of corner?
53:40
Let's go to the next guy. Let's go.
53:42
To the next. Guy.
53:43
Yeah. All right, let's go to the next
53:44
guy. Let's go to the next guy.
53:46
Let's go to the next guy. OK, we're not going back this.
53:49
Time supports the run like a box.
53:52
Safety excels. In the run.
53:55
That's the worst kind of corner. I don't want my corners to stop
53:59
the run. I've got eight other guys in the
54:00
box to do that. Maybe we should tell everybody
54:03
who we're talking about for those who are listening in that
54:05
way, yes. Sissy.
54:09
This is South Carolina cornerback Brandon CC.
54:13
I know what I said. CC, she say.
54:17
All right, well, tell us about him.
54:18
See say puede. Tell us why he sucks.
54:20
She. Girls.
54:22
Say puede see, say, Broadway. Look, what do you want me to say
54:31
here? He's got below average route
54:32
recognition and he's not great stroke who's play making with
54:37
his play making positions, makes too many diving attempts, lacks
54:41
career ball production. He's incredibly explosive and
54:44
athletic, but he doesn't play corner very well, right?
54:48
Who is we're talking about who didn't know how to play
54:50
defensive tackle? It's Caleb Banks.
54:53
It. Was Caleb Banks.
54:55
She's incredibly athletic, just has no idea how to play
54:57
defensive line with the same thing here we have a guy who is
55:00
like in in NCAA 26. You're looking at it like, oh,
55:04
he's an he's an Ath, he's got the athlete tag, he's a 96
55:08
athlete and you go through and you try to put him in any
55:10
position and he's in the 70s in every position.
55:12
Well, he just is terrible. I got bodied by the computer
55:17
saying that he was good and he doesn't fit any scheme ever.
55:21
He's fine. He's a, he's going to be, you're
55:24
going to put him in. Is it nickel or Rover or one of
55:27
those two safety positions that you bring in when you need extra
55:30
run help but can cover zone coverage?
55:33
He's not going to stay corner in the NFL.
55:35
He does not have the man to man ball skills to stick with these
55:39
NFL receivers. He will change positions to a
55:43
whatever. That's whatever the corner, the
55:45
safety position is that comes in to stop the run.
55:48
That's what he's going to do. I could see him being really
55:52
good if the Seahawks draft him. Truly.
55:55
And that's not enough for the Seahawks.
55:56
They just love hard hitting safeties and corners.
55:59
Yep, I think this is another guy where it depends on where he
56:02
gets drafted and what role they use him in, because I think he
56:05
has the potential to be really good if he's in the right
56:07
system, like with the Seahawks, but if he's in the wrong system,
56:10
I could see him being really bad as well.
56:12
Avery, do you have any thoughts on him?
56:14
No, I just think he's a track athlete and I think he's fine,
56:18
but I don't think he's going to be that great and that he's a
56:21
run stopping corner, so he can't be that great.
56:23
Right I agree. I agree.
56:28
When the Seahawks 2/1 for Jamal Adams I thought they were insane
56:32
for that and then what happened? He did barely play for Seattle.
56:35
He's a run stopping safety. I want my secondary to play
56:39
secondary. I have eight other guys.
56:43
Seven other guys sometimes. Who?
56:46
Right. Seven.
56:48
Yeah. Yeah, seven other guys.
56:49
Sometimes eight other guys who are supposed to stop the run.
56:52
I want you 3 or 4, to stop the pass.
56:55
That is your job. Do your job.
56:57
Maybe I'm just curmudgeon and old.
56:59
That's just not the way the game's played anymore.
57:00
Yeah, well, I'm old. Well, here's a stat that I think
57:04
you guys will like. So in 2025, he was targeted 26
57:07
times in 269 coverage snaps, which is basically 10% of the
57:12
time. That's not even the best part.
57:14
And when he was targeted, he allowed eighteen receptions.
57:17
So he allowed a reception rate of 69%.
57:21
Nice. That's not good.
57:26
I mean, what else you want me to say?
57:27
That's just not good. It's not high 60s at all.
57:32
I mean, they're targeting this guy all the time, like all the
57:36
time. And I don't know see say puede
57:41
can go to see say sleep. All right, I, I I have nothing
57:53
to add. I have no good things to say
57:55
about coverage non coverage corners.
57:57
All right, well, let's wrap it up then.
57:59
That's going to wrap up our 2026 NFL Draft scouting reports.
58:02
We are pretty much a week away from the NFL Draft.
58:04
And so next week we're going to finalize our top 50 big board
58:07
and then do some NFL draft predictions for you guys.
58:10
And Will did not remind you guys to keep your balls played with
58:13
last week while I was gone. So hopefully you didn't forget.
58:16
And so here's a weekly reminder you did do it.
58:22
I will. I also didn't care.
58:24
I didn't forget. It was just a personal thing at
58:27
that point, which is different. You just wanted to.
58:30
Do your part and not mine. Truly.
58:33
I got you again. You saw the tape.
58:37
I got to the end and froze. Like I don't, I don't actually
58:39
know how to. All I know is I say bye now
58:42
y'all and that's it. I don't know what anybody else
58:44
is supposed to say here. Will just like what do I do with
58:47
my hands? Yeah, look, there's a reason I
58:52
sit in third chair, right? We have our host, we have Avery,
58:55
who's great and the vibes guy, and I sit in third chair as the
58:59
hater. I know how this works.
59:05
Anyways, don't forget to keep your balls played with.
59:08
We'll see you next time. Bye girl y'all.
59:11
Doesn't forget that part. Also, Mark Davis and Sarah Kyle
59:13
still sucks.