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Game Changers: 10 Props That Rewired Modern Magic · The Magic Guys

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They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 270 my gosh of the magic guys new high
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score new high score high score yeah buddy we got nick case on my left Hello, friends.
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I'm Nick Kaye. We also have here Doug Conn.
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What's up, y'all? I'm Doug Cohen. What's up?
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The trio are back, the bald amigos, and we got a banger episode today.
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We're talking about game changers in the magic world throughout history.
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So many that Nick has so kindly put together, as well as you guys from the Discord,
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which some of you are in the chat right now. Nick, who we got showing up today?
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Friends in the chat. Well, good to see you here. We have Scotty P shooting off.
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No, no, just the friends. no they're all
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our friends in this box we have the mystery box studio we have alex
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lamb it's been a bit good to see you bud friends indeed
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the chat is for us to communicate share our thoughts
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howdy rob we have again i built this list and then i put the premise out on
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the discord and the discord blew up with so many things that i had missed so
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many things that you guys have been affected by in the magic community and it
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actually helped like elevate your magic so So we got a lot to talk about today,
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but not before we have a speak pipe,
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which we love when you guys send us a speak pipe.
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Yeah. And this one is coming in from a fellow in the chat right now, Scotty P.
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Let's see what Scotty's been up to. Hey, Magic guys, Scotty P here.
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Something resonated with me when you guys were talking last week about when
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you're becoming a full-time magician,
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you can't just set up a few websites and sign up to a few websites,
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agencies and expect the gigs to come rolling in you
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do have to seek opportunities and be prepared for those opportunities so i opened
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up my work emails this morning and i saw that v8 supercar legends craig lounge
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and brad hall were doing a signing at our strathpoint office which is about half an hour drive away,
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So rather than sit there and do nothing, I got myself ready.
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I went and got a haircut, grabbed a deck of cards, grabbed some business cards,
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and I ended up going and performing for those two guys in front of my work peers
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and managed to get a selfie with them holding their signed playing cards.
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So I can add that to the website as well as, yeah, just the experience of performing
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for Craig Lowndes and Brad Hall now.
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So thank you for the inspiration to get up my bum and stop just waiting for
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gigs go out and seek the opportunities and be prepared for them that's it.
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Nice work scotty p that's how you do it scotty p yeah you gotta do real work,
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I'm trying to think like so many celebrities that magicians have performed to
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over time, even ones on TV,
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are all from this kind of opportune moment where it wasn't planned,
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it wasn't arranged, and they sort of found a way to get in there.
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Like I'm pretty sure back in the day,
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the way Dynamo got to perform for these celebrities before his
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TV specials was through his agent
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that managed nightclubs would bring him in when there were vips there and he
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would perform for them and they would hopefully film it and that's how he got
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his start you know you know back in the day when you would uh i'd go to shows
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and i would like see the bands play and so forth and i would give them like a copy of our demo.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? In a hope that they would like, oh,
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man, you guys sound great. Do you want to like open for us and whatever the hell? And like, yeah.
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That's awesome. I saw one of my favorite YouTubers last night at the Green Valley
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Casino. I was out with my wife.
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There's a celebrity, Vegas Matt. He's got millions of followers.
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He does gambling content.
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And we saw him at the casino last night. And I said, I need to introduce myself to this guy.
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And to make a long story short, five minutes later, we were talking about
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me doing magic on their gambling cruise this
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september so that's great you see
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the opportunity you make it happen for
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you that's the way you get shit done right yeah hell
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yeah and scotty i just tracked down his photo
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with him in australia i don't know if you guys recognize these
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these faces but they've especially the
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guy the older guy at the back very very famous race car driver in Australia
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and he bloody got it done so well done yeah what you're looking at guys is basically
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like the Ricky Bobby of Australian racing like very very shake and bake baby
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shake and bake baby very much yeah,
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I'd love to hear it well done Scotty,
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And I wonder if he used any of these game-changing props to perform for them
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that we're going to talk about. Exactly.
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What's on the list? Today we're talking about the inventions,
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products, gimmicks, and ideas. So it's kind of a very broad spectrum.
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Some of these were like tiny little gimmicks. Some were kind of revolutionary principles.
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A lot of these actually made careers and were popularized by the people who created them.
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Some were so powerful, they literally changed the direction of the magic industry.
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So, let's talk about it. Let's start with item number one. Are we ready?
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Ready. Ready. Let's do it.
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I think, number one, I think we have to start with the thumbtip.
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We gotta, okay? Now, generally credited to Max Mullini, he popularized it in
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modern magic, and even though there's versions of it that exist earlier in history,
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it was Max Mullini that kind of brought it to the forefront, for myself anyway.
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But what does a thumbtip do? A thumbtip vanishes, produces, can switch,
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it does transformations, silk vanishes, build changes, salt disappears, liquid vanishes.
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It's arguably one of the most versatile gimmicks ever created.
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Now, the talking points for me, I think, are, do audiences still not suspect
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thumbtips anymore is the first thing I want to say?
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And I want to know, Doug, do you know what people used to first use thumbtips
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for before it was silks and money?
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Oh, that's a good question. I don't. Like, I've always done the silk handkerchief.
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I've done that for 40-ish years. You say Malini. That's news to me, but I'm not surprised.
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Curious do you know what he was doing with it
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back in the early 1900s i think
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it was the silk bandages but he was doing a handkerchief really really
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that's surprising yeah i
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thought the silk thing came later and then
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everyone started doing it but yeah if you
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talk to chris capehart famed busker from new york and all-around great entertainer
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he'll tell you he invented that routine but right that sounds a little generous
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for that credit i don't know it could be what scott link's talking about vanishing
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cigarettes i feel like that could be something going back hmm.
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Going back further yeah but i think what
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the talking point for me is that like i do i feel
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that a lot of beginners will underestimate it is the
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first thing and because i don't
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know a lot of guys that are doing tt work out there is the first thing i want
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to say i know some pros and i have to i have to mention my buddy duck cameron
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watching him prepare his show it's just tips everywhere like there's like 20
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tips he uses in his show it's phenomenal and then you sort of need to take a
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moment to step back and go, okay, cool.
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Like if anyone does a build change, they typically would lead into a method using a thumb tip.
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But then, you know, outside of that, you got to look at someone like Rocco who
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was said, let's put a light in this thing and make the lights. So you kind of need to go.
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Yeah. Actual Roger Mayfarth's invention.
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Rocco was the poster boy for all that. There you go.
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Roger Mayfarth. And thank you, Roger Mayfarth. I still sell those things all
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week long love the delight yeah or the the prisma light as we call it today
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yeah so i guess the question to our audience and to you guys is game changer
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yay or nay to the thumb tip what do you say,
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When I try to sell people on the prop at the shop, I tell them it's the most
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useful gimmick in magic.
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And if I'm leaving the house and only have time to grab one thing with me, it is that thumb tip.
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And if you do anything with it besides vanish a handkerchief,
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people won't have a clue.
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You go stuffing a hanky in that thing, they might know what you're doing.
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But if you do any other trick in existence, that thing's a smoking gimmick,
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still as viable as it was when Malini was doing it.
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That's so true. I mean, goldfish production, yeah, money change,
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cigarette vanish, you know. Penetrations.
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Penetrations. Now we're getting saucy. I think Doug's on the money.
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Like, anything else other than the silk vanish doing this, then people don't
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have an idea. Because you don't see it in your peripheral.
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It's just they might remember the magic kit they had when they made a silk vanish.
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But other than that. I, yeah, I think I'll finish this out by saying that like
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my personal favorite use,
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I think it was Rich Murata who, who did this set list, which he set on fire
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and then it would come down as a ball of ash and then he would reach in and restore it.
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The set list again, using a thumb tip. It was genius method where he accordion
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folded another piece of paper inside and it was the best like opening for a comedy act. And so yeah.
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I think we agree that it is. The chat is unanimously said that,
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yay, it is definitely a game changer.
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So I declare the thumb tip a game changer.
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Oh, yeah. And also David Williamson's routine that maybe not is his,
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but it's the fucking best with the salt disappearing and coming out of the sauce
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that you've had the whole time. Yeah.
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Like that's ridiculous. Like you do that at a restaurant,
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it's it is over i mean
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he does that in his stage sets you know you do it in a stage show
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yeah right i need to
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go back to that routine it's so bloody good okay so okay item number two i had
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to include this because i believe it was mark mason who who whenever he released
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a product and someone says hey i want to release a card trick the first thing
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he says is is it better than invisible deck and if If it's not,
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he's not interested in releasing it, which is why our second item is the invisible deck.
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The invisible deck is credited by Don Allen and Eddie Fields.
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The way what the effect actually is, is a spectator merely thinks of a playing card.
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The magician then spreads the deck and that one thought of playing card is revealed
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in the deck the opposite direction.
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With a zero slider hand, no fancy move, the simple is simply spreading the deck
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and there is one card facing the opposite way, their thought of playing card.
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Why it's a game changer? It's ultra commercial, it's self-working,
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it is devastating, it's been used on TV shows, it's killer for walk around,
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it's killer for beginners, it's killer for professionals,
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and let's be real, every magician, whether they use it or not, they own one.
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Oh, 100%. I've got mine. I definitely have mine. Yeah.
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If anything, the deck is almost too powerful. I mean, some people prefer the
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Mime Power deck, which works in a very similar way, but I think we still have
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to ask the question, like, do we like it?
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Is it a game changer? Thoughts?
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If I have to do one card trick for the rest of my life, carrying around,
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let's get the credit right. It's the Ultramental deck.
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Joe Berg invented this in the 1930s. And then the Invisible Deck presentation
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was popularized by Don Allen and Eddie Field. So thank you, Joe Berg.
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And I think also like the Brainwave deck maybe is what you were mentioning in
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the same ballpark. But yeah, close up stage.
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It could be a 30-second directed or a 10-minute comedy presentation.
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And yeah it's it's you know is it my favorite trick to do no but if i had to
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pick one to do for the laity for the rest of my life i'm picking the invisible debt for the card yeah,
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it's for just one trick yeah it's just so strong and i've seen over time like different little.
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You know variations on performances like one of my favorites was watching an episode of cyril,
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takiyama on tv and he's doing he's in like a cocktail bar i don't know if you
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guys remember this but he's got like a cocktail shaker so he puts the deck in
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the shaker shakes it up and then takes the deck out and shows that they're all
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mixed up now back and forth and all scramble,
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and he puts them back in again and he's like now name any card and they name
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one and he shakes it up takes it out shows that they're all back to normal now
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except the one they said very fun Really dims up your deck, though.
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I performed that once, and all
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the corners get flattened from being in the Shager, so just so you know.
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But yes, I don't know the last time I actually used an invisible deck,
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but I do know the strength and power it has. We don't all have your skill sets,
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Norbido, of being able to produce any part at will.
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And I'm sure Nick is like, I don't need no stinking invisible deck.
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I just fluck him from there.
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For the regs or for some of us that existed before cool shit came out to do,
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yeah but i think yeah i'm pretty
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sure i got that invisible deck in i want
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to say it might have been in the chris angel magic kit
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that i got years ago that had thumbtip
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had invisible thread we might get to later and fingali
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deck i i actually think invisible deck might have been in there and that's how
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i came about knowing about it and it just slayed and so yeah it's a game changer
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i invite you to cast your votes while I close out this section by saying that
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I think that even the gimmick alone is fantastic,
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but equally to that is the concept of it.
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So the thought of card being the wrong way around, even just the very concept
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of an invisible deck is what inspired my version of the invisible deck.
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So for that reason, I'm going to vote yay on being a game changer.
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I think so. I think we're in agreement. The audience interaction is what makes it number one.
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You know, it's like there's magic tricks where you just do a trick for the audience
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and then there's a tricks where they are emotionally and involved with the comedy
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experience most of the time for that.
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And whenever that happens, it's always stronger magic.
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Yeah. Well, the chat is fire. Everyone is in agreeance. I dub the Invisible Deck a game changer.
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Yeah, boy. next we have loops.
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Loops are my kryptonite I'm out of this discussion,
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now I'm going to try and bundle this together by saying like loops slash invisible
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thread but I'm saying loops more so because I feel like thread was always a
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thing but loops is kind of what made it a daily,
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usage type thing and I used to wear them on my wrist all the time I'd shower
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with them and they would keep surviving. I would wear them to work.
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And it was really funny because I would be in, yeah, I'd be at work and I'd
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be holding like my business card in a meeting and then I would just like start
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levitating my card in between my head like I was bored.
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And then what would happen is someone would see me and then I'd pretend like,
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whoops, and then I would let it fall, like not realizing that I was being watched.
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So I try to make it like, I know Nick's a magician, but I saw him levitating
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stuff like it's really messed up. But I just, I did a lot of pranks at work back in the day.
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Now, Loops, popularized by Ben John. Modern versions have been heavily associated
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with Yigal Masika, but we can argue that to the cows come home.
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Effectively, what a loop does, it allows you to float. It allows you to move items.
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It also allows you to animate things if you do it well.
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So what I believe was the game changer was that it made it in such a way that you could actually,
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get in and out of it very, very easily and have it on your person in a very easy, comfortable way.
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Yeah. I mean, I can speak for it because I do wear them at every gig.
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Lately, I've been using these, which are just cheaper and you get more in a
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pack and the same reliability.
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I'm just not saying them out loud for I don't want to be sued, but they're so good.
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And I wear them at every gig. I don't use them necessarily at every gig,
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but I like to create little moments that only happen once at an event and if
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i get a group that is building with excitement i know this can top,
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like the stuff i've done before it so i'll build up that
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moment and do haunted deck with a named card and i know this is going to get
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the job done and it's going to i'm going to end clean and it's just going to
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fry them and every now and then a spectator at a roving gig will hand you something
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and say do magic with this and it's like a napkin or it's like they give you
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their license because you said,
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you know, give me the card back. And they're like, ah, I'll give you this card.
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And just being able to quickly do a little float with it and give it back and
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go, that was weird. Did you see that? I don't know. Anyway, let's move on. Like just...
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You know, being able to use it in little moments are great.
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And then, of course, PK touch is just another mind exploder when you can use it for that.
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And man, and just, and it takes up no pocket space.
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Like that's a massive game changer. It's not even using any pocket space at
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all. You just put it on and. Okay.
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Well, let's piggyback off that with the notion of PK touches.
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So just to touch upon PK touch real quick, PK touches is a routine heavily associated with banner check
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i believe it's a routine in
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which a spectator feels a touch on their person that never physically happened
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and that's achieved through using you know these wonderful gimmicks so you could
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do it with multiple spectators this phantom like a whole phantom touch sequence
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it could be done like you know simultaneously almost in real time so there's
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a lot of really cool things you can do,
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you know i think that it helps build a good case that these are a bit of a game
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changer because the principles that you can now build off these particular gimmicks
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you know they're giving birth to entirely new facets of mentalism.
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Yeah, 100%. It's like, why wouldn't you learn to work with them?
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I understand the fact that they can be delicate and people can break them easily
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and not feel secure using them.
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But really, once you do get used to it, they're just so reliable and so powerful.
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To be clear, we do sell a lot at Trick Supply to working professionals.
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It is the go-to invisible thread medium.
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And when people talk about it ask about invisible thread
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or reels i do always guide the student towards
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loops i think it's the best certainly edc option
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you know it's the most manageable and if your vision
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isn't horrible then they're great to use yeah 100
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and we have a question from the mystery
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box studio is the difference between invisible thread
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and loops is that loops are closed and elastic
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yeah pretty much invisible thread is a
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spool of thread that you can use to hook up like the Leclerc hookup and you
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know floating cigarette and haunted deck from a longer piece rather than just
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a elastic loop but um yeah all these are their own different things think about
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it like one is a rope and one is a bungee cord nice.
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I did bring this stuff home from Trick Supply to experiment with.
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This is the Vectra thread line, which we sell.
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It's based on Kevlar thread, and one strand will support an entire deck of cards.
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So this stuff doesn't break like some of the other things, and I'm hoping I
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can put some invisible thread back in my world with this kind of work,
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with this kind of thread, but still can't see good.
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So yeah, Vectra thread. Vectra thread's cool. If you want something that won't
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break, it's a good option. Yeah.
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Basically, VectorThread, the strongest type of invisible thread.
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Yeah. Trying to get a plug-in for, you know, the boss today.
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VectorThread. Fix a plug.
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Thank you. Okay.
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So, Arangy's sharing in. You should have shared that yesterday in the Discord,
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Arangy. We're going to move on to the list.
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Okay. So, the next item or thought process we have is a concept.
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And the concept is very simple. the concept is the double lift.
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Now its origins are debated but we can
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just all agree that it was popularized and defined by
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legends like di vernon so let's agree upon that for
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the sake of conversation i mean what
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it does is limited by your own creativity and your own genius but
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it's effectively the ability to show
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one playing card though it's
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deceptively two so that is
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a very simple idea infinite in application why it changed magic is because it
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literally in my opinion gave birth to the ambitious card routine which i think
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is such an important piece that every beginner magician should have in their repertoire i think that,
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It's given birth to so many principles. So for me, the principles that I had
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down are the card to impossible location, which you can do with using that as a switch, of course.
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The use I've seen applied to transpositions, to packet tricks, color changes.
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You can't do a color change without having something to change it into.
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Having two items in itself is always going to allow you to do a color change without question.
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So there is a huge percentage of modern magic
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card tricks that require you to be able to execute
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this move into this like in a very cool way so for
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that reason although it might just seem like
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there are some delicious meals that has been given
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birth to you could probably blatantly call
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double lift just it's salt but it's so much
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more because without it you know you wouldn't have
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all that flavor thoughts yeah i
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mean where would amateur card magicians be without double lifts
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yeah like when i got started every
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trick i want to say was a double lift you know and imagine if we didn't have
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double lifts like what magic of course now we can all do routines without them
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but like you how many magicians just wouldn't be able to do card magic because
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they can't put a card in someone's hand and snap and have them freak out,
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It suggests it's the most useful and the most abused move in card magic.
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And I would suggest that intelligent students should look for alternatives that
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are more appropriate when developing routines.
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The top change or the second deal can be applied in instances and look much
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cleaner with a little more work in many instances.
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So if you've been doing card magic for a while and you just think the double
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lift is good enough, you're probably right.
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But is it the best option? not all the time so keep
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your mind open that's so true i gotta
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say a a good top change will
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fry the pants off any spectator i want
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to say personally it'll fry them more than a
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double lift will yeah because they've given
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you a card you know you can it's all this one
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moment in this direction and now you know.
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They cannot backtrack what just happened i'm gonna
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push back on that purely because you
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could do something like a setup like this right as
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you put it back on the deck to get your your double ready for
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example and then you've got this retention of
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vision the whole time as opposed to executing a
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second and then people start laughing there's a time
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misdirect and now you've got too long that they've
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lost their focus and they go oh well we weren't paying attention you top
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changed it in that moment like so for me what i
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love the most is that the time between something being
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revealed the shorter it is the more
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magical it is so if i have the card like you
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know face up i turn it face down i give it a blow
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and then it changes that's great but if you're doing a top you've got to like
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do it equally as fast which is why like the snap change is so strong so the
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quicker it is the better and i feel like the top change is typically something
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that you'll do then leave down for a while and depending on the your style of
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But for that reason, you know.
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I don't know, man. Like, I've never had a top change go past me, if that makes sense.
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It's not for you, Nick. Yeah, if your spectator is saying, ah,
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I wasn't watching, you probably top changed it while we weren't looking.
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Like, you've got some whack spectators if they're calling it out.
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But I understand what you're saying.
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The big problem is this with the double lift. It frames the deck,
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and most magicians don't care enough to think about how to make our audience
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look away or look up as we're framing the deck to get ready for the move.
26:05
Even if you have to turn the card over, you got to put the card back on the deck, right?
26:09
Top change, even a second deal in some respects can avoid that moment where
26:14
we're doing this and this and sometimes riffling up or fidgeting to get our break.
26:19
That's where things go south. If the hands come together and we're doing sneaky
26:23
stuff, the spectators are going to look at it.
26:26
So if you're doing those techniques, you better be spending an equal amount
26:29
of time on how to get the audience to look up and away from them.
26:33
And this is where most magicians fail.
26:35
Absolutely. I had a friend that I was showing a routine to.
26:38
It was a thought of triumph that's achieved through a top change as I go to sit down at the table.
26:45
And he was so mad, he threw a chair across the room when he asked me how it was done.
26:49
And he refused to believe that he was fooled by a top change. He just refused it.
26:54
You know so yeah yeah so it definitely like yeah i'm i'm not saying the way
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i'd do it but i have seen it done like where people just do things very brute
27:03
force you know like it's this you,
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yeah what on camera like on camera for example you wouldn't do it on camera
27:12
is what i'm saying typically a terrible move is going to be a terrible performance
27:16
like no matter what the effect is and
27:19
you're right nick uh yeah a top change on camera is
27:23
gonna not be seen so like is gonna be seen so
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like for me when i know i'm being filmed i
27:28
won't do a top change i'll do this and then well not
27:31
so fucking jaggedly but i'll do
27:35
something that that is gonna be seen and i'll do this on tv on like surrounded
27:41
i know that they're gonna miss it and but for the camera's benefit later they'll
27:46
be fooled obviously we adapt to our scenario and etc etc but yeah if if someone does a,
27:52
lousy top change it's going to look lousy if someone does a lousy double lift
27:56
it's going to look lousy if like for god's sake don't go.
28:01
And if I show you this card. Don't do that. If I see you do that,
28:05
I'm going to have words with you.
28:06
When I see people do that, I always say, hey, don't do that. Yes. Yeah.
28:12
What we're talking about for the listeners is when they need to execute or get
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a break under two playing cards, and they'll run their thumb off the back of
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the deck, the entire thing, and then stop on this two left to get the piggy break on top.
28:22
And I've seen people literally go, whoops, and then go back down,
28:26
grab a second, and then put their thumb into the break afterwards.
28:30
So don't yeah no i've
28:33
literally seen someone go like this like so i'm riffling up the back and then
28:39
they've gone and now so if i show you this oh no sorry i accidentally grabbed
28:42
two cards but because they've done a triple lift but they've they've said oh
28:47
no i accidentally grabbed two cards let me just grab one and then they go back
28:49
to grab a double now like just give up.
28:54
Anyway yeah there's i mean that itself is
28:57
a is a an entire workshop in itself that
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yeah you could delve into right proper double lists
29:03
for different moments getting into it anyway but it is a game changer yes so
29:08
i think the principle as we wrap this up is definitely a game changer because
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without it it wouldn't give birth to so many good ideas and not only just ideas
29:18
but entire routines Like the entire ambitious card routine is literally based off this principle.
29:22
So I think for that reason, I think it's important. And I think that when people
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started to apply this to their card magic, it would have most definitely been
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a game changer. So I'm going to say, yay.
29:34
What say you? Yay.
29:37
Yeah, but use the right tool all the time. Don't just assume that's the right tool.
29:43
Nice is unanimous the audience agrees the chat is lit i declare the double lift a game changer.
29:52
Now the next one the next one goes off uh orangey's
29:55
comment earlier he was talking about pharaoh shuffles and so forth which
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i think to me personally apply to the next principle i
30:01
want to talk about which is the memorized
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deck now this
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well it's concept there uh look
30:13
there's been many contributions historically over
30:17
the years but i think that if i had to name two
30:20
the first that come to mind are people like simon aronson and of course his
30:24
excellency the juan tamariz and it is basically the ability for a magician to
30:29
memorize the entire order of a full deck of playing cards and what it allows
30:35
you to do from there is way too long to actually...
30:40
Okay, everyone just agrees, I think. I needn't say any more.
30:45
Memorize deck as a game changer. Should we move on? Yeah.
30:50
All right. All right. Let's do that. Okay, let's not argue it. Everyone unanimously.
30:58
Mem deck. Good. Move on. Okay.
31:02
Here's one. Here's an interesting one.
31:05
PK magnets. So there's been many innovators over time.
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It's been popularized through so many different products and different ideas.
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We're talking about magnets in general, whether they be in the form of a ring
31:20
that you would wear around your finger,
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of course, that you would use to stop time on someone's watch,
31:25
or whether you would just be using magnets to hold metal objects in place,
31:30
Ferris objects in place, stopping watches,
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bending objects, or even doing secret steels of certain kinds.
31:37
Magnets, pretty magical. And I think applying them to magic has been very,
31:43
very important. It's a very special thing.
31:47
What say you guys? There's some amazing modern applications with these magnets,
31:52
the things these kids are coming up with, like the coins that spin in your hand,
31:57
they rise up and spin around.
31:59
I mean, for sure, magnets are mega valuable.
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The original PK magnet, you know about that thing? We have a few of those at
32:09
Trick Supply, and they're like the size of a deck of cards. So,
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when I was a kid, our PK magnets were a brick.
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So, we didn't have the super-powered neodymium magnets.
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So, if you wanted to do this kind of animation like kids are doing with coins
32:25
now, this was strapped to your leg.
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And it would go through like a
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desk. So, you would raise your knee to the desk. And that was the old PK.
32:34
Now, they fit them in rings. You get a good example of a modern product that's
32:41
actually great is the Falcon Ring by Penguin Magus.
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They put it in a silicone band.
32:48
I think it's a very smart way to go with magnet rings. What about the Raven?
32:54
Yeah, I'm just thinking about the Raven, applying the magnet to that.
32:58
I'm thinking about i was just i was thinking about
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in even its most primitive format while just
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putting like the strength you get from putting a magnet
33:07
inside of a shoelace and performing a ring on string like just being able to
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do that is staggering the type of magic you can achieve with just those two
33:17
very simplistic items so i guess
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what we're arguing now is yay or nay are magnets magical game changers.
33:26
Yeah. You're going to see something. Oh, snap.
33:31
Doug is penetrating two playing cards with his eyeglasses only to reveal that
33:37
they are entirely solid.
33:40
Yeah, you could even put magnets in card gimmicks now to do insanely incredible things with them.
33:46
Okay. Hey, not to mention the amount of magnets used in some Rubik's Cube magic.
33:54
Magnets themselves are obviously a big part of magic. But if we were talking
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about just the PK ring as a separate note, it hasn't really done much for me
34:06
in my career, I've got to say. No.
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Man i don't know man it's pretty cool like if you if you
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got some you just want to wave your hand over something and you watch it
34:15
go like it's a pretty sick moment dude same with the raven dude
34:18
like when you just wave i've seen you do that with no magnets yeah it's true
34:23
but still i've seen doug do that with no magnets yeah okay yeah what about as
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a holdout like sifu says the butt magnet you know just stick a magnet in your
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back pocket hold out a color changing knife for example,
34:37
magnetic coins can hold out there any metal object you want to keep back and
34:41
you know just for a hold on it's great all right let's look you know what just
34:45
for the sake of mixing this up,
34:48
mystery box studio made a good good good comment and i'm gonna i'm gonna set
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up a fight now okay we're gonna choose one or the other we're gonna go all right
34:54
what wins magnets or double stick tape,
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oh i love my double stick tape who will if i had to pick if i had to pick one
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i'm picking tape i'm picking tape i would pick tape every day of the week over
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the magnets yeah 100% mainly because i would mainly because i would use double
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stick tape to hold down my magnets.
35:21
Yeah okay so yeah you know it's great okay so this is the first one that we're
35:25
in agreeance not necessarily a game changer from our point of view i think magnets
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have been a big game changer I'm reminded of an amazing routine.
35:35
Do you remember when we were sitting at the Tick Tick Boom stand,
35:38
Josh, and you and I did this thing and he put bands around the card box.
35:42
And as he did this, he stole out this little baggie.
35:46
I did not see that, but. Okay. Bandit, is that what it's called?
35:50
Yeah. That's what it's called. Yep.
35:52
Yeah. It is one of the most ingenious ways I've seen to extract something out
35:58
of a car box. It's very cool.
36:00
And I just think that's great. And I think magnets are magical.
36:04
I don't think they're the pinnacle. I think you can achieve a lot of magic without them.
36:08
But if you had to choose one of the other magnets versus tape,
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I'm going to choose tape.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
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PKE magnetic magic stuff is good and some magicians have made great effects
36:23
with it, but overall, like how the invisible deck was a game changer for every
36:27
magician and the thumbtip, I don't think this is in that category.
36:32
I love how laymen think it is, though. They think, like, half our shit's done with magnets.
36:37
So, yeah, let's keep pushing that information towards them and let them think that.
36:42
Yes, that's right. A game changer is... That's right.
36:46
Being able to do magic that looks like magnets but is not magnets is a game
36:50
changer. The muscle pass... Yeah, man, look at the muscle pass.
36:54
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
36:57
Okay, so... What's next? Okay, so this next section is...
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Which on the tail end i wanted to call this the audience picks
37:04
and these are ones that were all suggested by folks on
37:07
the discord so uh the first one's an absolute banger let's
37:11
begin from the first of the audience picks is sponge balls okay it's the exact
37:20
origin i wasn't able to pinpoint because it's evolved so much over the decades
37:25
but one i the first things that i could sort of come,
37:28
I thought about, of course, were Albert Goshman and Slydini.
37:32
Those are the first two that I can sort of credit. So let's just at least credit
37:35
those two for popularizing the Sponge Bowl.
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What does the Sponge Bowl do? A Sponge Bowl can multiply. It can vanish.
37:44
It can jump between hands. It can appear in spectators' hands.
37:48
If you want to get nuts with it and use Bizarro's crazy brain,
37:53
you can color change him now.
37:55
There's an abundance of things you can do. You can go from circles to squares.
37:58
There is all manner of things you can do, but.
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I wanted to, I think this is a wonderful one because I do recall that Joshua
38:05
J did a study for a time and out of all the tricks that he did,
38:09
the one thing that got the best reaction was the sponge balls.
38:15
Though I don't do it, although I like doing it when someone has some,
38:20
like I'll tinker, but, and you can always do sponge dong as Scotty P just mentioned.
38:29
You know and it's also a wonderful way for little
38:32
hands to be part of the magic as well there's nothing
38:35
more exciting than having a little kid open their hands and and a bunch of you
38:39
know colorful balls popping out and they freak out and have a great time so
38:43
thoughts sponge balls okay i got thoughts so number one card trick is the invisible
38:49
deck right but if i I had to pick just one trick to do for the rest of my life.
38:54
And when the aliens come to earth and I have to save it with magic,
38:59
I'm doing the sponge bunnies, the creation of life in a spectator's hand.
39:04
Wow. It's like, and again, not because I like it, but because the people that
39:09
I've worked for in my life deem it, and I'm echoing Josh's study, it's the best trick.
39:15
So I give it to them and I'll give it to the aliens when they're ready.
39:21
I mean, I'll include Sponge Bunnies in this as well. There's a lot of comments
39:25
at the moment really firing off at Sponge Bunnies.
39:27
So full credit to Sponge Bunnies as well. Josh, what are your thoughts about?
39:32
Yeah, I think it's so strong that I'm aware of how strong it is.
39:36
And so because of my brain wanting to not phone it in with what I know is going
39:41
to be strong, I make myself do coin magic.
39:45
And another reason for that is two of the other main full-time magicians in
39:51
my city both do sponge balls and it's funny they both they i don't know if they
39:56
did this on purpose but they,
39:57
use different colored sponge balls so it's almost a different feeling like one
40:02
guy uses the classic red but another guy uses yellow and we all do very similar
40:07
high-end corporate events so So knowing that as well makes me feel better knowing
40:12
that I'm choosing a different prop.
40:15
So people are seeing different stuff. So in my head, I'm trying to accomplish
40:19
the same moments of sponge balls, but with coins, which is a bit more difficult,
40:24
a bit more time for me, but I get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
40:28
What's a hands-on coin trick that compares to that?
40:33
I'm curious what your mindset is.
40:36
I mean, for me, an example would be rather than the hand opening and seeing
40:42
two sponge balls in the hand.
40:44
For me for me it's the copper silver
40:47
routine when they're seeing the silver change in
40:50
my hand they open their hand same moment something's different
40:53
in my hand now boom gets a good freak
40:57
out moment yeah that would be the closest yeah there's
41:00
also i guess coins across moments that end in the spectator's hand
41:03
with the last coin of writing there and i'm sure that plays super
41:06
strong as well that's where my head i mean yeah 100
41:09
coin under watch coins across scotch
41:13
and soda that's a that's a time timeless classic for
41:16
a good reason i i was jamming on
41:19
williamson's chat one time and someone
41:22
was trying to work on he's like i don't know any moves and i was like look i don't
41:25
do sponges but i'd done a gig at one of
41:28
my residencies before and the venue manager was like oh
41:30
is this one of your magicians forgot this and so i had this one lonesome
41:34
red bull floating around my case and i'm like oh let me grab this
41:37
thing and we'll talk about some stuff and then
41:40
i started just playing with i was doing coin moves but
41:43
with the with the sponge and the
41:47
chat were losing their mind they were like bro are you sure you don't do sponge
41:50
i'm like i definitely don't do sponge but like you know and we we talked it
41:55
out but yes i think that that making the connection between the two is very
41:59
very important i also think that what's great about the principles that you
42:03
learn by doing sponge balls,
42:05
I think is equally as important that can be applied to almost every facet of
42:09
magic that you do. It's a very good compound...
42:13
What's like a base level what like what's what i'm looking for here like the fundamentals,
42:20
fundamentals correct yeah like once you build that knowledge
42:23
base i think it's a great place to start and i think for that reason i just
42:27
want to also acknowledge that like it's a bit of a gateway as well for younger
42:31
magicians to get into magic and slide a hand specifically so for that reason
42:37
i think that it's it offers so much which is why i believe it's a game changer so i'm going
42:43
to say yay the audience yeah it's
42:46
so strong that i'm trying to justify to you why i
42:49
don't do it like i know like
42:52
i know if i went to a gig and did invisible
42:56
deck sponge balls and double cross i would absolutely murder but if i do that
43:02
too long i'm not going to enjoy myself so i'm purpose purposefully trying to
43:08
do magic that makes me have to work for it so I can have longevity doing magic.
43:14
Because it is so strong that I would not feel like I'm getting...
43:19
I mean, I'm over here choosing the path just to work less and deliver the best effects.
43:24
Nice. I'll do one gig a year, but I'm doing Invincible Deck and SpongeBob.
43:30
Don't get me wrong. I'm probably 10 years away from that as well.
43:34
But for now, I'm trying to make myself, you know, I'm still in ShadowCoin,
43:39
Dog World era. You know, like, yeah.
43:43
That's the real art is when you're able to set yourself apart from other artists
43:48
who are really craftsmen because that's what you are.
43:51
If you're doing a Sponge Bunny or Sponge Ball routine you saw someone else do,
43:54
if you're doing Don Allen's Invisible Deck, you're a craftsman, which is fine.
44:00
You're doing the best stuff, but find the original point of view to win.
44:05
Yeah. Can we talk about Double Cross? Is that on the game-changing list?
44:10
It's very much on my list. I'll just wait for you guys to wrap up so I can mention it.
44:13
So let's talk about it, friends. let's talk about the trick
44:17
that no one deserves double cross
44:20
created by mark southworth what it
44:24
does the spectator imagines an x the the magician
44:27
will draw the x on their palm visually vanish it and having that reappear on
44:31
the spectator's hand or body or somewhere in the location it's ridiculous it's
44:38
literally weaponized like every magician on social media for the reactions it
44:43
gets It's a very beautiful moment.
44:47
There is a level of customization you can achieve with exes and love hearts and all kinds of stuff.
44:51
It is effort is entirely disproportionate to the reactions you get from it.
44:57
Alex Lam has just chimed in saying that this is an all-time great trick,
45:01
but wouldn't call it a game changer.
45:03
So I'd like this principle. I first fell in love with this notion of being able to stamp things.
45:10
People in Richard's This Is Mentalism DVD.
45:15
Richard Sanders. Richard Sanders? No, no, no.
45:20
It was a release called Tagged. Yeah.
45:24
Is it Richard Sanders? I'm pretty sure it's Richard Sanders. Here's the deal.
45:29
In Tarbell, I'm sure, is the ashes on the palm, and that's the game changer.
45:33
Whoever decided we could put an ash on the palm of a spectator,
45:37
it probably goes back to caveman times, you know. But that's the game changer.
45:43
Double cross. Yeah. Great.
45:47
Double cross is the most important trick of this century, of the last 25 years.
45:53
But without the ashes on the palms, that game changer, that trick's not happening.
45:57
Yeah. Richard Ferguson, my mistake.
46:01
That's who I was talking about. Richard Ferguson, who did a thing.
46:03
I used to do his method, his effect.
46:06
I then changed methods. I used this particular stamp that I had custom made
46:09
that at Officeworks, et cetera, et cetera.
46:11
But yeah, I think we got to take a moment, just circle back to its origins,
46:16
which the ashes and the palm is a killer effect.
46:20
You know, some people, I mean, the most recent way I've done it is someone gave
46:24
me their lipstick and said, oh, you know, do a trick with this.
46:27
And I'm like, oh my, what am I going to do?
46:28
Did exactly that with their lipstick as a challenge.
46:32
So yeah. Jake Sanky has it with a pull cue. So you get your finger in a pull
46:35
cue and dab them with that.
46:37
And then it's the pull cue that goes in. which is a little, you know,
46:41
you start putting ash on a spectator's hand in modern times, a little gross.
46:45
So, you know, the mark is even questionable there. Like you go making a permanent mark on someone.
46:51
I don't know. You know about Hiba Haba Al's sugar routine where you make the
46:54
initials on the sugar cube and then those initials end up everywhere?
46:59
That's the best. That's the shit. Yeah.
47:01
That's the best version of that. I only know of that from Doug,
47:05
from the other episodes we brought it up.
47:07
I know of it from Bob Sheets, who is a king, and I saw him do that at the bar 40 years ago.
47:14
Hiba Haba Al's routine. It's out there.
47:18
And David Blaine had a special, and it was released as a product for a little
47:22
while. Do you remember the coin?
47:23
It would be on their hand, there would be a coin sat and then he would draw
47:27
three X's around the coin and he would one by one pick them up and throw them to the coin.
47:32
And then he'd take the coin off and they'd all be now collected underneath.
47:37
Cool that was an that was an effect for a while and and the problem with all
47:40
of these ink effects which were just that it was messy for the magician like
47:45
because you were having to destroy it but you would have to have a pocket dedicated
47:49
to getting inked up and stuff but double cross,
47:52
changed the game when they made it so easy to
47:55
contain and get into it we also.
47:58
Even sell some great accessories like they have a holster now.
48:01
Where you can keep the pen out of your pocket the holster holds a
48:03
stamper on the bottom so you don't even need to devote a
48:06
pocket to it anymore or the jumbo double cross this
48:09
that's a great prop too yeah i mean the
48:12
sheer amount that they've been selling them is what
48:16
you put in that category of game changer i think
48:19
yeah it is yeah it's the point where i
48:21
i refuse to do it purely because everyone else is doing
48:24
it you know it's just yeah it's that good
48:27
it is that good you know and you you've just
48:30
got to go if everyone else is doing it because like oh this guy
48:33
did this i'm like oh yeah and then you know like i could
48:35
just be bundled in with that guy but i've also i've also
48:38
done things where you know there's been other magicians who
48:41
have gone to agencies to sort of like audition themselves and then i i
48:44
perform a bit you know from people i've been performing alongside for
48:47
the past decade and then they literally said like there's
48:50
so much better than that stupid x in the hand thing where he draws
48:53
himself and i was just like well like oh my
48:56
yeah but you're probably just
48:58
more entertaining is the deal you know instead
49:01
of relying on the actual magic effect you have a
49:04
hatter yeah exactly but i
49:07
think that i think that just by the
49:10
sheer volume in which this is out there and people are performing it it's definitely
49:14
a game changer and more so i'm just reminded of a new version of this drawn
49:20
with a circle and it's basically done through glass i don't know if you've seen
49:23
this trick or not where you're not suspected to put their hand against glass
49:27
you draw on the window So you rub and it goes through.
49:30
So there's a new variation of that. Yeah.
49:33
I don't recall what it's called. I saw it on Murphy's, but erroneous. Like it is a very cool...
49:40
Cool concept and i think that definitely going back to the ashes in the palm
49:44
but doing it in such a way that it's not intrusive not gross we're not putting
49:48
cigarette smoke on people,
49:50
yeah i think i think that like it's definitely a game changer
49:52
man like it's a very strong strong way
49:56
to do magic and we had james
49:59
brown come on the podcast and talk about.
50:02
His version of double cross which
50:04
is like a pseudo hypnosis routine do
50:08
you remember this one nick and you can you can get it
50:11
by purchasing his his ebook but
50:14
the idea that you can have a spectator's handout and when
50:17
you touch your hand they can feel
50:20
it and then eventually you have someone draw a
50:23
cross on your hand and they're saying they can
50:26
feel it which they can through the routining
50:29
and then when they turn their hand over they see it's actually there
50:32
now that could be done a
50:35
million times and no one's going to associate with the general
50:38
performance of double cross like that is a very
50:41
unique approach to it and i really like that
50:44
and people have been pretty creative with it but i
50:47
think that's the key now it's so good now and so used
50:50
that we have to if you're going to do it find
50:53
these really unique ways that aren't associated
50:56
with someone else doing the same trick i
50:59
think you know my buddy
51:02
my buddy richard dongard did it on stage last week at the house
51:05
of magic he used a voodoo doll for the presentation he
51:08
drew an effigy of a hand on a piece of paper he
51:11
burned the voodoo doll marked the hand and the spectator had
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that mark on their hand freaking five minutes of
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stagecraft is a beautiful thing it's like that's a good approach
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to that yeah that's really that's really smart because that's hidden hidden
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within the whole routine yeah now scotty p is asking well okay before we go.
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On i think we just we agree it's a game changer it's certainly helped revolutionize.
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The concept all in the green and say i.
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I'm playing aye to ashes on Tom. Yeah, I'll second that notion. Approved.
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Scotty P asks, would we have Lucky Ladybug without it?
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And I think Lucky Ladybug is more reminiscent of another trick.
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But let's talk about Lucky Ladybug. It was created by Joshua Ray,
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sold to reduce garlic through our buddy Buck Bowen.
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We've had them on the podcast before. Be sure to script them out.
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The routine's a gorgeous little routine in which a tiny ladybug can appear,
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vanish, and jump between the spectator's hands.
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And at the end of it, they are left with a little wooden ladybug that the spectator gets to keep.
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Ordinarily, it's been presented in the past in a very scary way with a cockroach,
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but it's now turned this same concept into a really delightful gift that can
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be performed for young and old without upsetting anyone.
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It's whimsical, it's emotional, and it's an intimate piece of magic.
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It's lovely and it allows for some emotional storytelling as well,
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which is why I absolutely love it.
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So I think that being able to do it in this fashion makes it much more broader,
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considering that in the past we were trying to scare the crap out of people,
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with cockroaches. Thoughts?
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Yeah, first, Jim Pace had the web. He's the one that kind of started that rolling
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with that spider trick, and then the cockroach thing came along as a phone application.
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I think that ladybug trick is one of the best tricks in the last five years.
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When did it come out? Like 2022?
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Still a top-shelf item for us at Trick Supply. I recommend it to anyone who's performing for sure.
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I'm trying to think of what trick needs to happen before the web.
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Like you know the web obviously inspired that kind
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of notion but i feel like we've been making things appear on
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people before that i'm not sure yeah
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i can't i can't speak to that but i was going to say that just with the
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way that i present it like i will get someone to come and perform with
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me and i'll typically for a child i'll say like you want to
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do the magic you're going to do it buddy you know i get the birthday kit and
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then i i explain i have one lady like i
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have three logs from my garden underneath log number one is ladybug do
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you like ladybugs and if they say yes then i know that they're not going to freak
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out too hard and you know i've got like a bit of a space in
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order to know how to sort of navigate through the
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reveal and i compliment the kid the whole time i
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show that like when i wave one goes away but it takes
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a special kid to bring it back and i think with it being your birthday buddy
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that you're that special kid and i bet if you wave your hand over
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that blank card that ladybug will come right back and then
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they do it it comes back they lose their
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minds and i just say like i said it comes back for the most special of kids and
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that's why buddy you get to keep a ladybug happy birthday and i high five them
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i send them back i give them hot mom my number and i'm kidding i think i think
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for a kid yeah when whenever there's a kid at the event or at the theater magic like it is my go-to.
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Effect that i'll do with them i think it's probably still in its infant era
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where it's not known enough yet to be considered a game changer but for those who know about it like,
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have it i think but that's the beauty of a game changer if you know you know
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it's like when the whole world was super quiet about negative strippers you
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know like oh have you heard about negative we still we still are we still don't
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talk about it man like we don't talk about negatives which.
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Yeah you know all right here's one this was around when I was growing up as
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a magician everyone was doing this and now it's almost like,
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It's become underground again. And that is the Omni Deck.
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Buddy, are you watching my screen? Because you're starting to freak me out a little bit. Yes.
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The Omni Deck created by Jerry Menser, I think it was.
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It's a routine in which a full deck of playing cards will visually transform
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into a solid block of clear acrylic while the spectator is holding it.
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It is a wonderful kicker to an ambitious card routine.
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It can be used in many other facets. There's been some versions out there where
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you put like a goldfish in there.
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I think those were pretty much pulled up the market almost immediately for reasons.
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I have a sideshow performer in town. I just bought the Ominous deck,
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which has the spider encased in the acrylic block.
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It's a Jerry Andrus idea to set your credit straight. Okay. There you go.
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Because it has that hands-on quality where the deck transforms
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in the spectator's hands you know yeah that's and
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it's no longer a card trick it's no longer a card trick
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now yeah i think it's the thing everyone
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used to do before double cross existed like i would see every street magician
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ending their set with this they're still doing it man i sell omni decks every
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week you know one or two weeks someone comes in i need an omni deck oh you got
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the omni deck i need a backup it's still quite quite popular,
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Yeah, and ever since Joshua Jay brought out his version of the individual cards,
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I think the Omni Deck. Oh, okay. That's a good one too.
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Yeah, I'm seeing Omni Deck.
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Phantom Deck, yes. Like my Palmer Magic card.
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Omnideck I've had for like 13 years
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and it's still in perfect condition and I'm reckon like another year and I'll
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be like I'll be able to bring it out and clients in Brisbane will have never
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seen it before it's gonna be very exciting you know who gets a credit here that
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I need to mention Paul Harris he invented the solid deception deck which found a deck of cards,
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solidifying into one solid block it's a little bit of a limiting performance
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piece because you know It's got to be a one-person hands-on.
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But without Paul Harris doing that, we don't have things like this. Oy!
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We won't have the tech deck. We won't have Bricked Out. You know, with the Lego deck.
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Petty just released that tech deck with all the lights inside of it.
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It's another version of that thing. Yes.
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Yep. So Paul Harris is a game-changer for me. True.
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Maybe we've got to talk about game-changing people. you
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know yeah but well if the omni deck's
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a game changer it's because solid deception existed 10
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years before it i think okay nice now
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look remarkably we're at the one hour mark and
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there is literally a dozen more that had been suggested
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so we can probably pick this up another time or we can just do one more to close
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it out what about like us personally what do we think is a game changer that
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we haven't mentioned what about just like name one thing like for me sorry you
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go nick i'm gonna spit out a coin shell.
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Here's one, just because it's in my mind's eye. Dan Harlan's work on rubber bands.
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Dan Harlan released a few things
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back in the 90s, and they were all on a videotape called Band Shark.
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And I would suggest that project was a game changer.
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And without Dan Harlan, without that video, none of us have elastic bands on our wrists.
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So let me go there with my suggestion. Dan Harlan's Band Shark handlings.
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It's too dark yeah no but also
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i can do the vanishing rubber band you ever see the vanishing one
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you ready for this it's gone
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that was
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good perfectly you're welcome you're welcome an unpublished
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piece damn for me i gotta say
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a game changer for me was learning about the
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splash bottle gimmick once i saw that from david
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stone it boom now i'm interested in
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stage magic and i've used one ever since and
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i own two of them and yeah i'm you
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know what i'm gonna yeah i'm gonna retract my my
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coin notion and i'm gonna talk about sleeving that was my biggest game changer
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i think that's what put me on the map as a magician my techniques that i've
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developed and created what what inspired you to get into that genre mr k nobody
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was doing it yeah that's the first thing.
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So I'm someone who looks at the market.
1:00:15
And my cohort here in Melbourne and what everyone else is doing,
1:00:18
I think between myself and Tim Ellis, we're the only people who are actively
1:00:23
sleeping, you know, in our routines.
1:00:27
Yeah. And then I think that, you know, watching Rocco's FISM routine and just
1:00:31
going, oh, that's a thing.
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And then you look at Carl Cloutier and go, oh, that's also a thing.
1:00:36
Then you look at Perseus Akemanis and go, damn, that's another thing.
1:00:39
And you just start snowballing from there. And, you know, Johan Stahl with his
1:00:45
method of sleeveless sleeving.
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And then you start looking at Jeremy Wayne with his methods of,
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you know, and you just start to propagate from there.
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And, you know, it's just, it's such a fun place to be.
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I love it. And I think that without it, it would, I'm still a fine magician
1:01:03
without wearing a jacket, believe me.
1:01:04
But again, my entire lecture and career has been based off me putting on a suit
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and becoming this Iron Man level magician, you know?
1:01:14
Love it. We're going to have to have an episode just on that in itself.
1:01:17
And of course, all of the other in the list that we didn't get to.
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Because we are out of time. We are going to have to go.
1:01:23
But I reckon let's go with Doug for the final word today. Let's wrap it up.
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Thank you for watching. We'll see you next week. And here is the final word.
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Boy, how great is it that we have so many wonderful tools
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to choose from in the magic world don't use
1:01:38
them all you're gonna want to pick one or two or three
1:01:41
of them and master them to the best of your ability and
1:01:44
hey support your local dealer trick supply.com thank you thanks for listening
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