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Spit Balling Our Audience's Ideas! #238 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys,
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  ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 238 of the magic guys it's me josh nolbedo
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  but up above we've got nick k hi i'm nick k and next to me we have salutations
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  douglas khan live from sin city.
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  Oh yeah baby and i'm
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  just and daddy's home everyone's here
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  we're back we're united and this is of course
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  is the podcast where us professional busy magicians
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  want to chat with you share our stories whimsical tales and interview guests
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  sometimes and other times we want to jam on your ideas which is what we're going
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  to do a little later today but doug we haven't seen you for a minute how are
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  you you've been uh enjoying some time with the lady and some other endeavors.
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  What can you tell the people?
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  Yeah, last week, the significant other, my better half, my best friend said,
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  hey, we need to do some must-stop. So I did that last week.
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  We were running around enjoying the Nevada scenery. We went out to Red Rock Canyon.
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  Chef's kiss. It's so beautiful out in the Nevada mountains.
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  But more importantly, on magic note, I saw the Ehrlich Brothers last Friday.
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  Friday the the german duo
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  was in town as were just about every magic
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  luminary in the in the near vicinity or
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  in the far vicinity this deck i'm holding came from
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  japan a couple of luminaries it was a cyril's assistant hero and reyoto he's
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  a tv magician they came in just for the show so they were in the shop uh saturday
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  we could talk about the ehrlich brothers all you want They threw it down like
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  unlike any magic show I've ever seen.
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  Well, a lot of folks haven't heard them before.
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  Like I've seen, I came across their material one time where I was watching some
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  YouTube vids and it automatically rolled into one of their shows.
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  And they are like, they're hella funny is the first thing I want to say about.
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  Their level of performance like their comedy game is really strong it
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  is well before that they're they're freaking rock
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  stars of magic like they're making gigantic million
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  dollar props right like instead of a
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  car it is grand illusion on the grandest scale i would say the only thing that
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  compares would be franz harari some of the things he's done which makes sense
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  because i saw franz serrari talking about them and saying he actually helped
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  design some of the illusions not surprised,
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  their production values are off the chain the amount of pyro in this show is
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  literally unbelievable,
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  and there's glitter flames sparks
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  the whole time and boy i would i would say
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  i would encourage the listeners to go to youtube and find
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  their show it's on youtube there is a there
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  is an effect they do with candy that is
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  maybe a top three magic moment
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  in my life this production they do i don't want to ruin it for anyone who hasn't
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  seen it it's just oh so good yeah go watch the ehrlich brothers from germany
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  they're on youtube you can check out their jam there you know in germany they
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  had scenes they're performing for 40 000 people and they're reading those shows in Germany.
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  So the cool thing is, when we talk about the grand scale of things,
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  when you do go to Vegas, you will see a very, very nice theater, if you will.
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  How much do you think Copperfield's show would hold?
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  200, 300? Yeah, maybe 1,200, maybe 15, maybe. In Copperfield's?
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  My understanding is some like Matt Franco's theater holds 12 size.
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  I think it's the same ballpark. That's a big one. Yeah.
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  Matt's massive. Whereas these guys were in an arena that's ordinarily used for,
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  like it's like a horse arena.
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  Yeah. Something like that. It's for like, you know, rodeos and such maybe,
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  you know, it's not quite like basketball size, but so they cut that thing in
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  about half and filled it up.
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  You know, it was great to see all the families there. I know sometimes people
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  like to say magic is dead, but guess what?
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  It's not, man. There was like a thousand families there, mothers and fathers with their kids.
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  And I know they had a great time because that was a great show.
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  Yeah. I mean, I just got to show how grand that scale is because a lot of times
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  when you see people buying illusions, so forth, like, you know,
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  things of that scale, they're not soaring someone in half or something as basic
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  as that. They're going large.
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  Yeah. They were levitating Ferraris. There was a vanish of a four-wheeler,
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  you know, the four-wheeler vanished with both of them on it.
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  The opening number was astounding. Production of a motorcycle from essentially a large iPad.
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  And you need to see it to appreciate it. But this thing, they were on the iPad.
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  The iPad swiveled. It's super thin.
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  It swivels back up and then they drive out on the motorcycle.
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  It's like, hello, that was amazing.
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  And then and then pyro and sparks and we're off to the races quite an experience.
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  Yeah. We should, how funny would it be to get them on the show?
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  We'd have so many questions like, cause people operating at that scale,
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  like you could count on one hand who could actually achieve anything at that scale.
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  I mean, I mean, Dynamo, Dynamo did an arena show here in Melbourne.
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  Right. And it was after the very first time that I'd gone to Vegas.
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  It was many years ago now, but his show on the scale of things compared to whatever,
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  anything you would walk into off the street on on on a vegas strip did not even compare.
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  Like dynamo show was like down here compared to
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  anything you would walk into off the strip like matt franco's
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  show slaughtered it well essentially dynamo's
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  a television magician so you try to
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  transition into a big arena show from there good
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  luck and i would imagine the matt franco show
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  which i love probably wouldn't have loved as much
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  10 years ago as he transitioned although he
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  was a a college performer so
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  he knows how to work a stage but i'm sure
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  developing a big scale vega show took you know a couple years to get up you
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  know fine-tuned but yeah uh what are you gonna do for 40 000 people i'll tell
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  you i give these guys kudos like there was a lot of great ones in one spots
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  the guy did a one of the brothers did a bill change routine it was a good eight minutes,
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  thumb tipping a camera, you know, and the guy's got 4,000 people entertained
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  with the $100 bill routine.
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  So it didn't need to be grand illusions.
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  Sometimes just knowing how to project yourself onto a video screen is acceptable in the modern age.
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  And it's an exceptional skill to have to try and play something at that level.
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  A lot of times when you're doing things of that nature, because like we have,
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  for example, you know, what we performing regularly, we have a 50 seater theater
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  that we performing regularly, both Josh and I. In fact, we performed just last weekend.
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  The scale of which you can do things in there is pretty nuts.
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  I mean, Josh does this beautiful routine just with a Sharpie pen,
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  which a lot of my friends were talking about. I'm like, he did the thing with the pen.
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  I'm like, I don't know. How good is it? And it just goes to show with a single
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  pen how well that can play to a big room.
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  The notion of packing small and playing big is very interesting.
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  So for example, I'm going to show you this little black box here.
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  This is my lottery prediction routine. Everything I need is all in this.
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  I've been working on this routine for years.
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  And I'm going to try it out for the first time on Wednesday.
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  This immediately say that again. I'm going to try this version of it on Wednesday.
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  And this is what it packs into. Like, this is the whole routine,
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  like the whole predictions in here.
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  So even like, I, you know, it's going to be, I just got to, all I'm going to
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  do is just put a red bow around this and the routine is ready to rock.
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  But everything, those of you who can't see Nick at home, oddly enough,
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  this is a six foot square box with a big red bow on it.
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  No one is that about the size of a card box. You got a full,
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  I would say, I would say like two card boxes, two card boxes. That's yeah.
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  Two playing card boxes. And that is a whole routine that's going to be able to play enormously.
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  And I've run this idea past Josh and past a bunch of others.
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  And I have one of four ways to present it.
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  I don't know which is the best way just yet, but I have a time restriction that
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  I have to keep to on Wednesday.
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  So I'm going to perform it in a version that is going to keep it within a five minute bracket,
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  which is, this is a very big routine, but it's just that notion of like packing
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  small playing big you know and rocking someone's world with a lottery ticket
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  like it is quite fun yeah knowing you that routine is a smoker oh you know it i know it yeah yeah.
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  Man hey a new feature of this
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  streaming software we're using is that when we talk about
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  things like our merch i think nick thank you for putting this up
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  if that's if you made this qr code but they allow
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  us to use qr codes now and so in the top
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  left hand corner of our screen right now is a qr code let's take
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  you straight to our store if you want to pick up a sweet shirt or a mug or lessons
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  with doug are available on there and nick myself the beanie we're gonna i think
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  it's time for a new design post fism now uh for a shirt and so we'll slowly
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  you know tweak things on there look at that bam.
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  How crazy is technology, hey? The fact that we can do that. I was using that
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  last week from the trick supply.
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  What a great innovation from the StreamYard people who continually are doing
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  a great job on making their product better.
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  It's perfect for a retail stream. Crazy.
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  Yeah, it's going to be great for, yeah, selling products online,
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  the whole TikTok shop and live shop and things like that. It's a good time to be alive.
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  Yeah. And speaking of buying stuff, yo, shout out to our friend Scotty P.
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  Contributing 10 bucks to the magic guys podcast thank
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  you scotty p let me just add that to the
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  bank hang on there it is we got it brother thank you he wrote you guys are helping
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  shape future magicians well hopefully we're shaping them in a nice shape you
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  know i think we are but thank you thank you brother we certainly do we do that
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  is with as many ways as we can either through like the interviews we do,
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  the trivia, everything we do to educate you guys.
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  And I guess today will be our main focus is about kind of helping you guys work
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  on whatever you guys want to work on, which is why we have the spitball ideas we have.
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  In fact, some folks in the discord were saying like, when are we going to get
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  back to working on our stuff?
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  And we had been working so hard to get folks that we'd met along the way of our FISM journey.
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  And of course, in, oh, that's the door. You take it from here,
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  Josh. Oh boy, here's the 10 pizzas I ordered.
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  So, speaking of Scotty P, he actually built this stinger that I'm going to play.
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  So, let's roll our spitball segment.
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  Spitballing. That's so good. That's so good.
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  And you still have time right now if you want to add a spitball.
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  Just go to themagicguyshow.com, which you can just use that QR code that we
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  had before. Let me pop it up on the screen again.
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  That would make sense. If you scroll down in there, there'll be a button just to leave a voicemail.
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  I'll try and vet some of them, but you can still do that live right now.
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  And unbelievably, you guys are feeling so generous today for some reason. And thank you.
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  We've got Herbert here coming in with the $15 Australian contribution.
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  Herbert.
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  You guys are wild. This is what happens when Doug is on the stream.
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  Is Doug showing coverage And we're not aware of it What's happening right now,
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  You guys are crazy You're crazy Herbert Thank you my friend Thank you I thought
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  this was going to be exciting For a You know what For a $50 donation,
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  Nick will do the rest of the podcast Without a shirt on I'm just going to put
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  it out there If another $50 comes in He might zoom in So you only see his face
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  But he will only have He will have no shirt on Just for reference I do every show without pants,
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  Yes And from here on out, we'll be known as the magic hoes.
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  Yeah. You know, it would be funny if we actually have a list and we're like,
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  we'll do this throughout the pod if you hit this tier. And I don't know if that's
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  too much, but it's possible. All right.
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  We just ran the stinger, but so Nick gets to see it again, we'll officially
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  run the spitball stinger. Here we go. Here we go.
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  Spitballing yeah that's so fun all right coming in hot now seth is our first
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  big pipe i have not listened to this because it only just came in this morning
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  so please don't let it be profanity seth please please okay i'm gonna look at
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  nick for the volume it's profanity here we go,
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  i'm looking at you nick okay hey hope y'all are doing well i was hoping you
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  could uh impart some wisdom to help bridge a disconnect in my brain, I guess.
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  I was at a gig a couple weeks ago doing my thing and a guy saw me and he said,
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  hey, I've got an event coming up this day, this time, and I can pay you this
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  much. How does that sound?
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  And it was more than double what I normally charge. So obviously I was like, yes, that sounds great.
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  And on one hand, he saw me doing what I was doing and thinks that I'm worth
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  that much, but also some imposter syndrome is settling in.
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  And also I feel like because I'm getting paid more, it's like I need to do more,
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  although he's already seen me and it's enough. So I'm not sure why I'm,
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  like, I realize that, but also I'm having a hard time. So I don't know, any thoughts?
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  Cheers. Welcome to the big leagues, buddy. Great question.
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  Almost every time you go on stage, you will have that imposter syndrome.
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  I can't tell you how many times I'm like, do I even know magic?
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  It is going to happen. Let's break it down. Yeah. So you've been offered more
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  than what you would normally charge. Yeah.
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  How do you approach that, Nick, if someone throws a quote at you and it is more
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  than what you would normally charge?
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  Well, let me answer it with a question. How many times have you done an event
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  and they go, whatever they're paying you is not enough?
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  Sure. Yeah. It's a good piece of feedback. Yeah. Yeah, it's like,
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  I can't tell you how many times I've performed and they've just gone,
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  give this man a raise, like I work for a wage.
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  Yeah. This is just a reflection, right, quite literally of this person saying
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  that like, I think you're worth this and that's great.
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  So if you're undervaluing yourself, that's a little self-realization that you
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  should sort of take to now.
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  Now, whether or not you can actually get those dollars is one thing,
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  right? We have some clients that can afford a full rate and afford to pay you
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  double what you're worth, 100%. And there's lots of clients out there that don't.
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  Now, if you put yourself in a realm where I will only go out for $10,000 a gig,
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  I'm sure you got that once.
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  You might have got that once, but good luck getting that every single time. So-
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  I think that there's nothing you need to worry about and you shouldn't feel
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  any pressure because of the price that's coming into it.
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  However, I have mentioned in the past where we have like two types of like performances.
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  One, we have like a standard rove and a premium rove. And a premium,
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  a premium rove is where you might do something where it actually costs you money.
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  So you might use consumables, like gaffes that you can only use once,
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  you know, you might use, I don't know what type of gaffe it might be.
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  It might be like something from a deck where you get like 12 gaffes.
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  And after those 12 gaffes, you got to spend 30 bucks on buying more.
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  That might be one thing that you might want to consider just to do a value add.
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  But seeing that you are getting paid extra, it is a good opportunity for you
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  to start pursuing something.
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  One or two, I wouldn't go overboard, but just maybe one or two things that you
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  wish you could have done, but because there is a cost associated with it,
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  like an anniversary card. Thank you, Tim Askin.
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  Like an anniversary type gimmick or whatever else that if you wish if you had
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  that disposable income, you would put that into your show.
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  This is a good opportunity to try that. And that is my advice.
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  But if a guy's saying that you're worth it, chances are you're probably worth it, buddy.
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  Yeah, look, my thoughts are we always undervalue ourselves, always,
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  because we're scared to charge what we would like to make.
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  And instead we charge what we think people will pay.
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  And every year when I up my rates, not every year, but most years,
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  like when I up my rates on my packages that I offer, I'm always surprised that clients pay it.
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  And I'm like, oh, well, why didn't I do this, you know, five years ago?
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  And it's just because we, like, we never had a prompt to try it.
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  And I would take this as a prompt as someone saying, oh, you actually are worth this much,
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  even though you don't realize you are so now
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  there is kind of a trust you
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  can build here which is not to just jump straight to
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  the exact amount that they've just said they can pay like there's
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  something to be said about increasing your rate but maybe not like
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  to the full amount they've said so they still feel like
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  you're not trying to just take them take
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  them on a ride and oh my god how did i guess his exact rate you
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  know and the other thing is yeah you could offer
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  packages like we were just saying so you could be like yeah my
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  my my two hour row is this fee my
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  three hour row is this fee and then for this extra
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  amount i can do like a little five minute bit just for everyone to watch which
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  could just be literally invisible deck but it's like the whole group can watch
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  that happen you know as a little value add but yeah i think it's a sign man
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  you're taking too long to put your prices up doug what have you encountered
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  with this kind of stuff i mean busking right people are literally.
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  Yeah, that's a tough one. Going from the busk to a big number is sometimes a
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  jump because, you know, you're often viewed as like a street person,
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  you know, when you're street performing.
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  But I think what the win here is, and this works on the street or anywhere,
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  that you can do direct marketing to contact a client who wants you.
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  And when people want what you do your way, they're going to pay more or at least
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  willing to pay more for it.
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  And I get it really. It's just a congratulations on finding maybe your first
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  step to doing more of that for yourself.
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  So, you know, as opposed to being the generic magician that shows up,
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  now they know they want Seth Howard at their event and they'll pay more for that.
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  That's it. You know, there's another thing that I'm sort of reminded of in a
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  song where they're talking about a farmer and the farmer was saying how like,
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  There's Mother Nature and Mother Earth.
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  Those are two of three things that let him dictate what he's worth.
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  I thought that's interesting because you can be an amazing farmer,
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  but just because you don't yield 200 tons of wheat instead of 400 tons of wheat,
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  does that mean you're any less of a farmer?
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  There's certain things out there that are going to dictate what you're worth,
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  but deep down, you're going to be an awesome farmer.
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  Whether or not people are willing to pay you the big dollars for what you are
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  worth doesn't mean you're any less of a magician.
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  You're just getting a nice yield for a change so make that hey brother make
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  that hey clients are out there good magic deserves the money just be a good
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  magician and make that back,
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  Yeah. And put out content, God damn it. People need to see you to be able to
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  book you. All right. All right. Moving on.
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  Tell them, Josh. I think one of the best advice you've ever given on this podcast,
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  and I'm going to spit it out again, was you need to be seen working in order to get work.
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  And I think that is probably like the best, the best thought process that have
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  ever influenced me on this podcast.
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  Thanks bro like if i can if i can
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  rant for two seconds like there's no quantifiable way to
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  tell like what piece of content helps
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  someone book you especially for me because like i'm putting
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  out content every day and but what i do know is that my calendar is fucking
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  busy like this coming christmas season which is our always our goal to book
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  in you know and you'll normally make a big some of your earnings in that sort
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  of end of year portion between just us friends listening to this.
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  There's like dates in there where I'm, my, my calendar has like five figures
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  worth of gigs to like three of the weeks in November and December already.
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  And that's insane coming from someone who just wanted to do magic,
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  you know, like, cause I love doing it.
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  And these aren't people who are hitting me up on Instagram because they've seen my videos,
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  but like sending that out to the ethos is helping
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  because people are inquiring but then they might also check
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  out my socials and be like oh yeah he's regularly doing stuff
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  because it goes up every day all right let's let's do
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  it anyway it all helps i'm just saying if you're sitting
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  at home going oh i wish i had time to make content like
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  you're just not giving yourself your full
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  advantage to yeah it's officially a necessary evil for a modern professional
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  to have a presence on social media and the more of a presence the more money
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  you'll get so you're already late if you haven't started and it doesn't have
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  to be you sitting to camera doing a trick like you can find other interesting.
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  Ways to story tell what you do and uh anyway or
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  organic's the best just film your shit get out there and
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  film what you're doing and share the fun moments yeah document
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  don't create if you if you don't have time just document what you're already
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  doing easy peasy all right
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  our next this is going to be fun yeah hell yeah
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  thank you thank you yeah i hope that helps and if you need any more
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  advice again we have a discord just drop us a line and put it
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  in the uh the podcast chat realm and we'll um we'll discuss it
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  further if you need any more help also let's i'll take
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  your gigs if you don't feel worthy send me the fat checks and i'll be happy
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  to show up and take the money that's what i'm talking about what a what a kind
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  guy i'm here for you our next speak pipe comes in from a past guest of the show
• 22:38
  a wildly controversially fun magician in the in the magic realm.
• 22:43
  And it was a nice email to see come in. This one comes from our boy, Jack Grady.
• 22:50
  Hello, magic guys. My name is Jack Grady. Hi. Hello, everybody.
• 22:55
  I hope you're all doing well.
• 22:57
  Yeah, no. So here's a routine I've always wanted to do.
• 23:01
  So I wanted to like go out on stage and say, it would be a two-man act and say,
• 23:06
  I have the power of synesthesia.
• 23:09
  And then I would be blindfolded a
• 23:12
  paintball gun would be loaded up with different colored paintballs and
• 23:16
  as the paintballs are shot at me i would be able to call out the color like
• 23:22
  i'd be shirtless on stage the paintball would hit me and i'd go boo and like
• 23:28
  yell out in pain you know did that make sense i hope that made sense all right thank you.
• 23:37
  Such a good idea first of all how hilarious and like on brand would that effect be,
• 23:44
  wow that is such a i hate how good that is that's so funny that's so funny that's such a good idea jack,
• 23:54
  I mean, that nose beak would be go-to. You can just do a cheap blindfold,
• 24:00
  peek down your nose and see what color hits you. That's a starting point.
• 24:03
  Do you have any idea how much those hurt, Doug?
• 24:06
  Oh, I'm assuming Jack's into that. So he's probably doing it for fun.
• 24:10
  Yeah. He hides bottles up his ass, so that's his round. He's like,
• 24:14
  this is a good time for me.
• 24:16
  Yeah. And maybe there's something to be said about making softer gimmicked paintballs, perhaps.
• 24:23
  So let's think about so that's great so the peak means you don't have to control
• 24:27
  anything about the gun or the the loads or anything the other thing that comes
• 24:32
  to mind is like is it possible to,
• 24:35
  similar to how you pour water into a glass that turns to wine like is there
• 24:40
  a substance you could put on your body that section different sections so that
• 24:45
  the paintball inside the paintball is actually a clear thing but when it interacts
• 24:48
  with the oil on that part of your stomach it creates the illusion that a blue one has just hit you.
• 24:55
  Is that an option? Because then you know if you get hit in the peck, oh that's yellow. Boom.
• 25:02
  I have the finish for this trick.
• 25:06
  At the end of the trick you take out a prediction which has the colors on your body. Like a voodoo.
• 25:14
  Damn. Yeah. It's the fucking you could do that.
• 25:19
  You know so now we're going into the
• 25:22
  what's that what's that effect called normally it's done
• 25:25
  with the sharp the pins right and it's what's a voodoo you
• 25:29
  know what made me think of it is uh it's chris
• 25:32
  kenner's chris kenner did this thing when he was on tour with copperfield he
• 25:37
  put a velcro suit on stand there and have people throw balls at him and then
• 25:42
  he would take a prediction out and show where he predicted it nick defod is
• 25:46
  actually performing that routine currently courtesy of Chris Kenner. It's in Nick's act.
• 25:52
  It's just what's next, you know, with a, with a doll on it. But if you had make
• 25:56
  the dots colored, now you can predict the,
• 26:00
  the shots one of them will always go ahead i was gonna say one will always be a dick shot but.
• 26:07
  Exactly but i was thinking that like it could be
• 26:10
  you know it the the paintball gun's
• 26:13
  a great idea and all i know that like legalities prevent us from
• 26:16
  doing it here in australia i'm not sure what the legalities are using a paintball
• 26:19
  gun on stage in the u.s but you could certainly encourage live
• 26:22
  ammo here actually in lieu of the paintball we'd be
• 26:25
  getting now but can you go bigger well you
• 26:29
  could possibly do a a version of this where
• 26:32
  you have a velcro suit
• 26:35
  or you have something where people throw a ball you know yeah
• 26:38
  and then the and the ball hits but like i definitely love the
• 26:41
  mindset where it's like the splatter you can see the color
• 26:44
  of the splatter like that is that is amazing i
• 26:48
  think if you put a velcro suit on copperfield's cronies
• 26:51
  abduct you and take you of the island and you're never heard from
• 26:54
  again so what if you had
• 26:58
  a bunch of just for the proof of concept even you
• 27:00
  know so you can rehearse this without being bruised and
• 27:03
  battered you had a suit with exactly what
• 27:07
  scotty p hit it water balloons and the water balloons are all
• 27:10
  black but there's paint in each side of them inside each one of them and then
• 27:14
  you can have that hit against your your body and you could do a type of like
• 27:18
  it was like a i don't know like the truth the selection process could be interesting
• 27:24
  if they were marked or if you mix them up but they don't bust.
• 27:30
  Yeah there's a lot of that's a lot of good you know i'm assuming you
• 27:33
  could switch the magazine somehow too like i don't know how
• 27:35
  paintball guns load i don't know how those things operate but
• 27:38
  normally you know they're normally gravity fed and they have yeah
• 27:41
  from top down and you and so it's just like a bunch of different colored balls
• 27:46
  that go in so you would use you could be able to use a single gun yeah but look
• 27:53
  do they hide maybe a three or four of them could be pre-loaded and And then
• 27:57
  you say, here, load these up, shake it about,
• 28:00
  dump them in, and then you've already got a couple in there.
• 28:03
  You know, you could do a version of it where it's gaffed a la Scott Alexander,
• 28:08
  where you load a single bullet in, but you don't load a single bullet in.
• 28:16
  And then you have them shoot you, which would effectively be just a gust of wind, Jack.
• 28:21
  And then you could have a squib that explodes on your person.
• 28:26
  And then that way you've got no projectile no
• 28:30
  projectile and it is 100 safe because you
• 28:33
  would just have a squib exploding on your person with different
• 28:36
  colors coming out that you would ultimately force and that
• 28:39
  would be a very good healthy safe method
• 28:43
  but if you wanted to do this like shirtless then you're kind of out of
• 28:46
  luck in that sense but yeah maybe it
• 28:49
  would be good to do it with like putting on overalls like you know like you
• 28:53
  put on like a like the ones that you would paint with full bodied white overalls
• 28:57
  and you can also put padding underneath it so if you did get hit like a you
• 29:01
  know like a bulletproof vest in a sense or some kind of padding because they
• 29:05
  do wear armor when you compete with paintball guns.
• 29:09
  A little something to think about, but I think that's got legs,
• 29:11
  man. And the idea is dope.
• 29:13
  One more. If you work with stagehands, it could be cued auditorily.
• 29:18
  So they could just tell you the color. You have an earpiece and, you know.
• 29:25
  If you have a blindfold, put an earpiece in the blindfold. Yeah.
• 29:29
  Cover your ears up in your whole head.
• 29:31
  They can get a real good blindfold going.
• 29:35
  Which I think you want for that. Like the peak is bad. you don't want to peak
• 29:39
  it yeah and and then the other i mean just playing with all different options
• 29:45
  like the other idea is you could just have five different paintball guns loaded
• 29:50
  up and they're they all have their own one color in it and so it's up to the
• 29:54
  audience to pick one of them,
• 29:56
  boom fire it yeah now you can
• 29:58
  do more of a color match style yeah and
• 30:01
  you're alerted by which one they picked up essentially yeah i
• 30:05
  like that josh and the
• 30:08
  blindfold would be pretty good because the eyewear that
• 30:11
  you would require in order to be able to pull off the stunt you know
• 30:14
  you would want something truly capable of
• 30:17
  taking a projectile to it you know like a proper goggle is sort
• 30:20
  of what i'm alluding to that that wouldn't that would you know
• 30:23
  if it hit the the goggle it would just explode on the goggle you know what i
• 30:26
  mean like there would be a coverage there so yeah but because the cool thing
• 30:31
  is that if there was nothing in the chamber and you hit this there was still
• 30:36
  feel that like the the gas like doing the like that would still feel
• 30:41
  a shot is being made but whether or not an epic coming out of the gun it wouldn't
• 30:44
  to them it would still feel the same you know because it travels so fast,
• 30:49
  Yeah, it'd be like, how come every audience member can directly hit him every time?
• 30:57
  Like, how is everyone in America such a good aim?
• 31:01
  I'm going to shut my mouth. I had a joke. I didn't want to say it.
• 31:05
  Look, don't get me started on America these days.
• 31:10
  I had a joke for that, but I didn't want to say it. Okay.
• 31:13
  You wouldn't believe how hard I try to be non-polybical in my life.
• 31:18
  It's becoming very challenging no doubt and this is perfect timing Jack Grady to start doing a,
• 31:26
  bullet color match routine so nice timing
• 31:30
  I like the finale of that I like predicting the shots I think I got a win on
• 31:35
  that one yeah that's fun and then and then you can also play on like when you
• 31:40
  take your shirt off after it all like there could be another prediction like
• 31:43
  the welts have formed into a celebrity's silhouette or like a I don't know,
• 31:48
  a number or yeah, anything. Yeah.
• 31:53
  I wonder if there's some way you can make the paint adhere to your body and just do like this.
• 31:57
  And it forms an image kind of like the ashes on the palm, but the paint sticks and yeah.
• 32:03
  And you got Jack there and all his glory with a piece of artwork.
• 32:10
  Jack Grady without a shirt is a thing, you know, I think he performs that way. Most of the time.
• 32:15
  It seems like half the time I see Jackie shirtless. no complaints.
• 32:20
  It's a good thing. It's what a real man looks like.
• 32:25
  Like Jack crazy. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's right.
• 32:30
  No, he's doing great. And, and also like congratulations on,
• 32:33
  on your sobriety and everything else, buddy.
• 32:35
  Like it is just great to see you kicking goals and high fives all around power to you.
• 32:39
  So yeah, I think, I hope that, I hope that works for you, Jack.
• 32:43
  I hope it's some of these ideas were kind of a good one, but I think it's got
• 32:46
  legs, man. And I love it. Like, The simplicity of it's also really great.
• 32:50
  And I feel like we're adding ideas that can almost overcomplicate it,
• 32:53
  but they're good ideas nonetheless.
• 32:55
  I can't wait to see this come to life.
• 32:58
  Yeah, keep us updated, man. We want to see more of this.
• 33:02
  It's good times. All right, our next speak pipe is from Mr. Tim Raymond.
• 33:07
  I think Tim, oh, we've got Tim Askin in the chat. Tim Raymond, are you here as well?
• 33:10
  Well, buddy, we're going to play your speak pipe. This came in a little while
• 33:14
  ago back when we put out the call, but we had so many guests on we couldn't
• 33:18
  really get to this episode.
• 33:20
  What a good problem to have as a Fizz and Winning podcast. We're going to play
• 33:23
  this one from Tim Raymond.
• 33:26
  Let's see what you're up to. So I just had a little idea.
• 33:31
  I've got some forcing dice from Diamond Jim Tyler.
• 33:35
  Just thinking about doing a potential idea where I get some custom-made scratches
• 33:41
  where there's a prize written under the fifth one,
• 33:47
  but just getting them so that it's always the fifth so that then I can use the
• 33:50
  same dice each time, switching it out.
• 33:52
  And then my thought as a bit of a comedy gag was to have the scratchy look like
• 33:58
  it's a, you win an iPad, but then under the fifth says it's like a first aid iPad.
• 34:03
  And then I could pull one out of my back pocket and give it to him.
• 34:06
  It was a bit of a comedy gag, but we'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
• 34:11
  See, that's interesting. It's a lot of work for the squeeze,
• 34:17
  like this, that's a lot of squeezing for the juice.
• 34:21
  And i'm gonna like i'm not shooting it down but i'm gonna say that like the kicker is so,
• 34:27
  is like the ipad is like the the kicker ending and the good the good idea that
• 34:31
  it could just be a thing where it's like you let's say they you were forcing
• 34:35
  the fifth one all the choices you can remove one a holiday to tahiti a brand
• 34:41
  new porsche a something else blah blah blah but you
• 34:44
  five and you win a brand new ipad that's
• 34:47
  great here you go ipad and it's ipad like
• 34:50
  you know what i mean like i think that for them to choose a
• 34:53
  scratchy is like they're choosing a chance to
• 34:56
  win and then oh it's remarkable they won you know yeah it would seem like just
• 35:02
  using the the force dice to force the item itself would be a more direct process
• 35:08
  i mean does this i'm not familiar with scratch prizes that give big prizes.
• 35:14
  That's maybe not like... I know we have scratch-offs for lottery, like cash money.
• 35:19
  Is that a thing in Australia or maybe overseas? To my knowledge, Josh?
• 35:26
  Do we have what, sorry, Doug? Scratchies that... You do a scratch and you win
• 35:30
  an iPad? I've never seen something like that. So it's a weird connection for me.
• 35:34
  That's a good point. Yeah, it's only ever a monetary value.
• 35:39
  Unless these are ones you're saying you've made yourself for the audience to
• 35:43
  give away a prize but yeah we you can't win,
• 35:47
  No, the only thing that time you can win physical items is like when McDonald's
• 35:51
  does like the Monopoly game or whatever.
• 35:55
  So my suggestion would be the items are laid down, you use the four scene dice,
• 35:59
  you end up with one prize and then that's your prediction, you know.
• 36:04
  Yeah, that's probably, that's better because the Scratchy is just a mode of
• 36:10
  getting to the prize winning.
• 36:12
  It's not really, the routine doesn't sound like it's about the lottery ticket.
• 36:17
  Itself unless it was custom produced for your venue
• 36:20
  and maybe you're like hey today at apple bees we're
• 36:23
  giving away some prizes you're gonna scratch off with every
• 36:26
  meal here's this is with your dinner and you you
• 36:29
  know here's how you pick what you what you win roll the dice so that would work
• 36:33
  see that's fun if you're now customizing it to help yeah with the tailored event
• 36:38
  that's right yeah i think what it comes down to is i think tim really wants
• 36:43
  to use the new dice's board So I think that's the main piece here, right?
• 36:48
  Which is a great idea to use to force a thing rather than guessing what the
• 36:53
  number is they've rolled, which is what we normally use a dice for.
• 36:57
  Does it make sense to use dice to give away a prize? Well, it's a game of chance.
• 37:02
  And a dice is a perfect representation of that.
• 37:05
  But it's like to choose the fifth scratchy, does that mean you scratch all five scratchies?
• 37:13
  Like there's an economy of movement there that's a little bit like you
• 37:16
  scratch all five or you can win one of these scratches that oh
• 37:19
  one of these scratches has one it's like well why make it a scratchy i
• 37:22
  make it only only because like the
• 37:25
  effort like there's just such a huge amount of effort for the ultimate
• 37:29
  kicker of the ipad i the squeeze ain't worth
• 37:31
  the juice but i think if you're going to do like a tv spot it might
• 37:35
  be the type of thing where it's like they win like
• 37:38
  they bought a scratchy or they want like an opportunity to win
• 37:41
  like okay cool they scratch it go i want an ipad then you just
• 37:44
  do one of those type of type of things
• 37:47
  where i'm gonna do a bad example of this let's say
• 37:50
  that you were like this was the scratchy here and
• 37:52
  you could just sort of like there you go and you pull it out of the
• 37:55
  actual scratchy itself or something like you you
• 37:59
  know but otherwise i think it would be best
• 38:01
  just to have this five envelopes or five boxes or five
• 38:04
  options there's five things there and when
• 38:07
  you remove it it's a sign a placard that says something
• 38:11
  grand something amazing and an ipad is pretty
• 38:14
  grand i mean that's a thousand dollar prize but then you show them it's an actual
• 38:18
  ipad and that's a fun moment yeah but i think routine dope but to customize
• 38:25
  scratches the squeeze ain't worth the juice don't don't work too hard don't work so hard.
• 38:32
  Yeah yeah that's my advice or you know you could do a roulette where you put
• 38:38
  someone's 50 dollar note into an envelope they roll the dice you shred every
• 38:43
  other envelope except for the fifth one,
• 38:45
  if you're feeling like you're going to solidly no just as long as you have a
• 38:51
  spare 50 to give them if you mess it up yeah yeah but the main the main can
• 38:55
  the main notion is to like push the ipad gag at the end that's the thing i think
• 39:00
  i think that it's a perfect lead-in but to have a scratchy,
• 39:04
  so that you could possibly win because i guess i don't
• 39:07
  know or maybe i'm just have this mindset it's like the scratchy is a guaranteed
• 39:10
  win then you do it like but no scratchy should be a guaranteed win right you
• 39:16
  know what i like i like more is if if the ipad sorry i'm sorry nick did you
• 39:20
  did did Did he mention the iPad gag or that's what you did? Oh yeah. Okay.
• 39:27
  Cause it's a great idea. That we hold up. Exactly. So like, let's not make it
• 39:30
  about a $50 bill going into a thing. Let's make it all about the iPad.
• 39:33
  So what, what, cause I like that. I would use that as a, I would use more of
• 39:39
  those gags personally throughout the rest of the show.
• 39:42
  So now I would say, ah, and for helping you get an iPad and you pull out the, the pad for the eye.
• 39:47
  And then the next person that helps that plays
• 39:50
  oh and you get a and then you come up you get an iphone and it's just a toyota
• 39:56
  with a little sure yeah yeah and so i would do that like more running gags on
• 40:02
  just the play on words that's a fun character you know yeah yeah so we have an ipad we have a toy yoda,
• 40:10
  an iphone it just has an antenna coming out of the eyeball you know the little
• 40:14
  floaty eyeballs yep um you could also get like a gen one ipad and be like here's your ipad.
• 40:24
  Yeah yeah you know you yeah you get and and i've got a freebie for you for playing
• 40:30
  and you just got the classic b you know sponge b is a freebie oh yeah the freebies are nice,
• 40:37
  yeah yeah fun types
• 40:40
  that's what i love with that buddy let us know how you go if you have an opportunity
• 40:45
  to film it yeah and you have a chance to film it like pop that into the post
• 40:48
  and roast as well so we can see what it's about yeah love it all right our last
• 40:53
  one comes from kaden now he's setting this in two separate speak pipes so i
• 40:57
  feel like this is a lengthy one which,
• 40:59
  normally you meant to keep it to 30 seconds to a minute but we're going to let
• 41:03
  you off because there is only one more.
• 41:06
  So Caden, let's see what your story is, bro. I'm going to turn the volume up
• 41:08
  here. Caden, ladies and gentlemen.
• 41:12
  Hey, guys. Caden here.
• 41:15
  I have a question for you. So I had a situation happen recently.
• 41:20
  I was visiting my aunt, and she asked me to do some magic.
• 41:25
  And while I was getting things just kind of out of my gate bag,
• 41:29
  she saw my lucky ladybug cards.
• 41:31
  And she asked me what trick I can do with those so I decided to go into Lucky Ladybug,
• 41:38
  and she insists on seeing my hands totally empty at any given moment so I'm
• 41:45
  kind of having some difficulty trying to get the bug I end up being able to get it,
• 41:50
  and as soon as I reposition her hand she immediately turns it over and sees
• 41:56
  the ladybug I wonder if I should have just given up at this point but I decided
• 42:01
  to try and keep going with the trick anyway,
• 42:04
  and so I do the first card, but when I put the card on her hand,
• 42:08
  she immediately kind of peeks and looks at it and sees that it's not actually
• 42:13
  a ladybug card, and that it's blank.
• 42:15
  At this point, I actually just gave up on the trick and took the cards back
• 42:23
  and said, we're probably just going to have to do something different.
• 42:27
  I'm about to run out of time, so I'm going to finish this in the next one and kind of ask my question.
• 42:32
  Okay, that's the setup. Yeah, that's the setup. Let's see what the payoff is.
• 42:39
  Here we go. Yeah, this is Caden. That's part two of my story there.
• 42:47
  So I decided to give up with the trick, and she kind of got a little flustered,
• 42:54
  because she wanted to see the trick, And I basically just told her that if she
• 42:59
  doesn't want to actually watch and enjoy and experience magic,
• 43:03
  then we're probably just not going to do any.
• 43:05
  And she kind of got upset with me and said that she was just trying to enjoy
• 43:10
  it her way and by trying to figure out everything that's happening as it's happening.
• 43:19
  And I had kind of countered with that and said well
• 43:22
  I guess that's fine but then if
• 43:25
  I have a trick like this one where there maybe was a surprise ending for you
• 43:29
  you're not really going to be able to experience it if you're constantly just
• 43:34
  messing with every little thing so I wasn't going to do anymore but I ended
• 43:39
  up doing some other card tricks for her because she asked me to.
• 43:43
  But I guess my question is, how would you have handled this kind of situation
• 43:48
  with immediately turning their hand over or then not flipping the card right away?
• 43:56
  Is there something different that I could have done? That's all. Thanks.
• 44:00
  Okay. Well, thank you for sending it in. I think we can all agree your aunt is a dick.
• 44:06
  Oh, no. Oh, no. It's always challenging to perform for family members because
• 44:11
  the social boundaries are not there.
• 44:14
  They don't care if they mess with you a little bit as opposed to someone you've never met before.
• 44:21
  So that's the main problem, I would say.
• 44:26
  Yeah. And look, there's this different relationship they have with you.
• 44:28
  They're all like, guys, I changed your diaper.
• 44:30
  I've seen your dick. Like, they have this different relationship with you.
• 44:33
  They're just like, I can give you a hard time because it's by nature.
• 44:36
  Okay, so here's from someone who performs Ladybug a whole bunch and loves it immensely.
• 44:43
  Let me say that, like, if somebody does look at the category,
• 44:47
  it's gone. You'd be like, what do you mean?
• 44:49
  I'm like, it's gone. Like, where did it go? And then you go and you show that it's on them.
• 44:54
  And you're like, oh, that's I thought I lost it, man. You know?
• 45:00
  So I play it off as in like, if it's already gone, like if I turn the camera,
• 45:04
  I go, it's gone. It's what? It's gone. What do you mean?
• 45:07
  Like, did you lose my ladybug? Like I put it on them, you know? And they're like, no.
• 45:13
  And then I'm like, okay, look around. If you see a ladybug, let me know.
• 45:17
  And then, and then sometimes they'll, it'll be on the back of the hand,
• 45:20
  but they'll be looking around.
• 45:21
  They won't be looking at their hand. They'll be like, I'll pick up glasses.
• 45:24
  I'll be like, what's the,
• 45:26
  i'm like thanks thanks no i can't use this card anymore so you've
• 45:28
  ruled and then it's like oh there it is you know what why don't
• 45:31
  you keep it i'll buy more it's right
• 45:34
  off right out of the gate if they notice the ladybug the
• 45:38
  game is over for that one you know so that happened
• 45:41
  right no i think that she turned over
• 45:44
  the card first from what i heard but
• 45:48
  didn't see wanting to see his hands clean like she kept
• 45:50
  being like right and then yeah and
• 45:54
  then she turned her hand over straight away and then she's checking the cards every
• 45:57
  single time yeah yeah well it's and
• 46:00
  here's the thing it's like in order from you to experience magic
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  you need to let me do the magic so are you
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  gonna let me do the magic because if you're not then i can't let you experience it
• 46:09
  yeah that like so that's a very simple line but it's very important like i can't
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  like if you want something you gotta let me do it you know what i mean like
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  i'm not going to if i want a coffee and i'm like will you kindly make me a coffee
• 46:22
  barista they're like yes and then i'm stopping you from making a coffee going
• 46:25
  where's the coffee it's like fuck off and let me make a coffee hmm.
• 46:29
  It's also this, not the best trick to start with because you need good spectator
• 46:34
  management. And if your spectator knows that you're in the ballpark of a specific
• 46:38
  playing field, ladybugs and so on, you're going to be behind.
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  You're not going to be in optimal performance mode.
• 46:47
  Magic should be surprising for a trick like that. So the best course of action
• 46:51
  would be, oh, yeah, that's a good one. I'll show you later.
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  Get it ready, but do something else. and then
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  you know once she's in the mode you hit
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  her with that ladybug when you know you're in a
• 47:03
  little more control can i show something off the back of
• 47:06
  that where for me it's like i treated
• 47:09
  something like this is this is for someone special this this routine
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  now when i say someone special more times than not it's like
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  the birthday kid at my residencies and so forth or
• 47:18
  just someone who i think is like the most amazing person there someone who's
• 47:21
  like just loving the magic and they're just losing their mind and like
• 47:24
  spitting their drink the whole time and i'm like i got something
• 47:27
  special for you like i'm always just like like i'll
• 47:30
  be back in a minute i've got something real special for you when i get back and they're
• 47:33
  like oh okay i'll buy another drink and i'll wait back you know it's the little things that
• 47:35
  i do to sort of keep the the booze flowing over
• 47:38
  the bar or whatever else i i see i
• 47:41
  say keep that notion in mind that it's for someone special where if
• 47:44
  she was like what's that and i go that's not for you that's that's
• 47:48
  only that's something for real special folks who who kind
• 47:51
  of deserve it no i want to see i'm like nah so
• 47:54
  if i was trying to do the treat i'm like this is why i said it's not for you it's
• 47:57
  for special people no no i want i'm like you don't you don't i get you
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  you don't deserve it that's for it's only for really special you
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  know like you could say it to them like no no no this is only for really special
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  folks and it's like okay it's not for you you know not for you no you know like
• 48:14
  share one little story if it helps with anyone not to say like this is the method
• 48:19
  but like sometimes when i have.
• 48:22
  Little little kids that are probably too little for me to be doing
• 48:25
  this trick on but they are like coherently watching the
• 48:27
  trick but they're only like you know five years old
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  or something this happened at a birthday party
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  like a week ago i loaded it on
• 48:36
  his hand and this kid's just not used to he's never
• 48:39
  helped out in a magic trick before so he's like he doesn't
• 48:42
  know what to do with his hands or whatever so i get
• 48:46
  him on the get his
• 48:48
  hands out put the cards on and i load the thing and i and at some point
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  he's just like moved his hands like but
• 48:55
  then i was ready for and he's seen the ladybug but
• 48:58
  no one else has seen it like he's kind of seen a little bit and now
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  that he's seen it and i'm trying to like oh yeah great no yeah keep your hands
• 49:03
  here so the cards don't fall off i can tell he's trying to see what the hell
• 49:07
  is on his hand so i actually took it off uh without anyone realizing that this
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  was happening i registered that he now feels like he has something on him and
• 49:17
  he's trying to check what it is so i just steal it off as i like move his hands over,
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  and because i know he's going to try and look so when he looks i'm like oh are
• 49:25
  you okay like i'll let me hold the cards for you and he's like.
• 49:29
  All right should we do the trick okay cool yeah put your hands back and then i reload it back on,
• 49:34
  and now that's reloaded back on we can like get through the trick because he
• 49:38
  was just a bit fiddly but that's the only real advice i've had in the real world
• 49:42
  for in terms of people not,
• 49:45
  going along with it but as as nick and
• 49:47
  doug said like it's kind of like you you'll know
• 49:50
  the right moment when to do it and a person who's trying to
• 49:54
  not play along or play with your rules is not
• 49:57
  the right person yeah and also like it's the type of thing
• 50:00
  where like it's not really a privilege she's paid for like she's asked
• 50:02
  for it and you know she might be demanding it
• 50:05
  and something like that but it's the privilege they've paid for like
• 50:08
  you don't owe anything to them like you just sort of stand in that position
• 50:11
  like what about this what what is a good effect for someone like that like what
• 50:18
  foolproof thing is better for that kind of audience member well it's here's the sort of thing if.
• 50:27
  Okay i'll get back to my point later but like so the thing if
• 50:30
  you're going to hit someone like that right you're going to be in a situation where what
• 50:34
  are the sort of things that they can do like we're talking full narcissist
• 50:37
  vibe what sort of things can they do to ruin your show they can
• 50:40
  say that's not my card they can say like
• 50:44
  i can't say many times where like they've chosen a
• 50:47
  card they've they're holding the ace of spades and
• 50:50
  then i go show everyone it's the five of hearts i'm like why would
• 50:52
  you hold a smoking gun it's the dumbest thing
• 50:55
  you could like you're so dumb you're so dumb like who
• 50:59
  do you think that you're fooling here by doing that
• 51:02
  i mean this prop is great
• 51:05
  for that make a commitment and have them
• 51:07
  name a card yeah any card and
• 51:12
  then this it's the 52 on one so it's
• 51:15
  a it's a direct opener for an impossible situation
• 51:19
  what what could they be suspicious and then
• 51:22
  after they name the card you bring out the brainwave or the
• 51:26
  invisible debt so uh it
• 51:30
  alleviates any speed bumps for them screwing around
• 51:33
  with you yeah they get a fun moment perfect solution
• 51:37
  indeed but it's indeed it's just that but it's that type of thing where it's
• 51:40
  like you got to figure out what are they going to do like what's the worst they
• 51:42
  can do they can lie they can this they can that how do you combat that boom
• 51:47
  something where they call it you brainwave it awesome solution they sign a card
• 51:52
  then they can't say that wasn't my card. I'm like, that wasn't your signature.
• 51:55
  You didn't sign it. And they can say no. And you could be like.
• 51:59
  You're just the type of person who would be unhappy in heaven.
• 52:02
  Straight up. Cause you have no other intention straight up.
• 52:06
  But you have, you just, they have no other intention other than just being miserable.
• 52:09
  And it's like, that's cool. You could be miserable.
• 52:11
  You go be a knock, go for it. You know what I mean? Like I'm only here to make you smile.
• 52:16
  You know and these people like in the real world my guy you're not going to experience them like
• 52:22
  the way that you experience your aunt you'll experience these people one in
• 52:25
  every hundred thousand performances i promise
• 52:28
  you that i promise you that yeah that's
• 52:30
  a good point too siblings family members yeah
• 52:34
  i'm not going to react and interact the way that they would
• 52:37
  normally in the real world and um you
• 52:40
  know she's your aunt so you could just start crying be like i'm going to tell
• 52:43
  my mom yeah but it's
• 52:46
  remarkable how those people can dull your sparkle
• 52:49
  we most recently i like josh and i were performing
• 52:51
  theater magic and you met toby for the first time who is the
• 52:55
  guy who helps out our usher out everything else an amazing
• 52:58
  talent right doesn't like performing but loves
• 53:01
  magic and has an amazing skill set guy hasn't
• 53:04
  done magic for seven years because of a
• 53:07
  relationship he was in because she was killing his
• 53:10
  sparkle like she was he was she was just destroying like whenever
• 53:14
  you wanted to work on stuff be like would you kindly choose a card or whatever else like she
• 53:17
  was just totally crushing and you could see josh if you're watching live
• 53:20
  you could see like this awesome card spring that toby does
• 53:23
  like he's just got this mad skill set and so he's now doing like our photography
• 53:28
  and now this and that and and i'm got him back in this realm but this guy has
• 53:31
  got such mad skills he's got shin limb hair yeah and it's just remarkable what
• 53:37
  happens when people like that can dull dull your sparkle or try to like crush what you love and.
• 53:43
  Caden like this is like the way you would have dealt with it I don't think you did anything bad at all.
• 53:49
  People let them ruin it for themselves those people are selfish enough that
• 53:53
  like they don't even care how it makes you feel.
• 53:55
  You know like you're trying to give them a gift and they're going to pull it back and you
• 53:58
  think that and i think that it hurts you a little bit because this is
• 54:01
  an elder this is a family member that should be looking out
• 54:04
  for you and showing you love you know i
• 54:07
  had an aunt pass away last week you know she was great and i
• 54:09
  love her bits and you know like i i remember all
• 54:13
  the things she would say to me like growing up and and those sort
• 54:15
  of wonderful things and like her sister as well like she calls her aspromo which
• 54:19
  is my star like even though i was a kid she used to call me call
• 54:22
  are my star and now like i am one on stage
• 54:25
  you know what i mean like it's it's like she knew i
• 54:28
  was going to be on that before i did you know and i think about writing routines
• 54:31
  with respect to her because that's the sort of love i get from my
• 54:34
  aunts and stuff look man like it's that's
• 54:38
  the reason why it hurts and feels kind of crappy but in
• 54:41
  the real world you're not going to experience that and if you are keep this
• 54:45
  in mind you're in control you have
• 54:48
  the power you can say no and when people
• 54:50
  demand things come and do this come to that and i just
• 54:53
  say that people say well i want you to blah blah i'm like bro bro bro
• 54:56
  bro calm down all right you want to start making demands in my world wave
• 54:59
  a 50 at least and i'll think about what you have to say but until then like
• 55:02
  you don't be you don't don't make demands in my house man jesus christ and then
• 55:07
  i and then i get back to my work and i just shuts him down it's like oh yeah
• 55:10
  like who the hell am i to be demanding things from you like you don't own me
• 55:13
  you didn't pay for my privilege it's so funny Welcome to another episode of The Magic Hoes. Yeah.
• 55:19
  It's so funny you say that because that'll literally be my heckle line is they'll
• 55:24
  say, oh, show them the one where you blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 55:27
  blah. And I'll be like, sweet. Yeah. 50 bucks.
• 55:30
  Yeah. And then I'll just let them turn themselves down. Just as simple as that.
• 55:34
  Hey, I'd love to hit Alex's question as well. This is a really good one for
• 55:38
  magicians doing gigs out there.
• 55:40
  And I've got thoughts. alex says if someone wants
• 55:43
  you to stay past your allocated finish time how long will you go before you
• 55:49
  feel like you've overstayed your welcome and then scotty p follows up by saying
• 55:55
  like yeah how long would you stay
• 55:57
  after a gig in general or do you leave straight away so both things are,
• 56:03
  you leave straight away and you've got another one to get to,
• 56:06
  You should always dress like you have somewhere better to be.
• 56:10
  And that when you have to go, it's like, if you can stay, you can go,
• 56:15
  do you want me to do another hour?
• 56:16
  Or no, just stick around, have a drink with us. And I'm like,
• 56:20
  yeah, I don't, you know, people think that like, oh, paying for one hour,
• 56:25
  then he's going to stay here and drink with me for another three.
• 56:27
  I don't get to sit and have a drink. I don't drink against my religion, whatever it might be.
• 56:32
  Like, it doesn't matter. She's like, no, no, thanks. or you might have one just
• 56:36
  to maintain a nice friendship. But if you have nowhere better to be, fair enough.
• 56:40
  But it is the type of thing that if they, you go like, look.
• 56:43
  You know, you could say like, I've only got this much time before my next one,
• 56:46
  is another way you can get out of it.
• 56:48
  You know, because most times they might, they might say like,
• 56:51
  stay if you want to stay and have a drink.
• 56:53
  Well, that's very kind. Thank you very much. Yeah. But also stay fully loaded
• 56:57
  and keep doing magic and get out of here.
• 56:59
  You know what I mean? Again, privileges you pay for. that's a grizzled veteran's
• 57:04
  answer we look at Scotty P responding he'll stick around an extra 20 minutes
• 57:08
  because he's having fun and you know maybe we haven't done a thousand gigs and
• 57:12
  don't have somewhere to be and would be happy to share our magic for three days
• 57:17
  if they want you to move in,
• 57:19
  you know there's different answers for this it doesn't have to be enough money
• 57:23
  and bolting out of there you can just hang out if you want I think I have one
• 57:27
  good answer yeah I think I have one good answer for people that might
• 57:31
  might find this option um useful i was listening to the diary of a ceo book
• 57:38
  obviously it's a wonderful podcast but he brought out a book just summarizing
• 57:42
  all the best nuggets within it,
• 57:44
  and so i've read the book but i'm also listening to the audio book because i
• 57:48
  just love consuming it and there's a there's a chapter in the book called the
• 57:53
  psychological moonshot,
• 57:55
  and it's when a company or business does something that really doesn't do anything,
• 58:01
  but psychologically to the customer, it feels like they've done something amazing just for them.
• 58:06
  And the example he gives is this guy has a barber that comes to his house that
• 58:12
  always does his hair the same time, every week, same appointment.
• 58:14
  And he's used him for like six years because he really feels like he pays lots of attention.
• 58:19
  Right. It's like a 40 minute appointment. They get along, they chat, everything.
• 58:23
  And then one day the guy gets the haircut and the guy's like, yep, you're done.
• 58:29
  And he couldn't help but feel like he'd been rushed.
• 58:33
  He's like so he checked his phone and he's like it's been the exact same 40 minutes as always.
• 58:40
  Why does it feel like you rushed my appointment and then he checked in the mirror
• 58:43
  he's like oh my hair actually is done like there isn't anything out of place
• 58:48
  so he said to the barber he's like,
• 58:51
  how come i everything's fine but how come i feel rushed like it like you've
• 58:57
  done a quick job on me or something.
• 58:59
  And then the barber bursts into laughter and he's like, oh my God,
• 59:02
  I'm so sorry. I forgot to do my little end of routine thing on you.
• 59:06
  And he's like, what do you mean? He's like, well, I'm so sorry about this,
• 59:09
  but like what I do for my clients is right at the end, I just say,
• 59:13
  oh, let me just do one more final check.
• 59:15
  And he'll like pretend to snip like little pieces here and there as if like
• 59:18
  he's really taking care.
• 59:20
  And he admits to him that I actually don't cut any hair then
• 59:23
  but it's just to make you feel like i've really
• 59:26
  paid attention and him not doing it
• 59:29
  actually made him feel like he had shortchanged him so
• 59:32
  learning learning that what
• 59:35
  i now apply into my gig is i
• 59:39
  do the one final check so i say thank you
• 59:42
  to the client like look i can't believe the time's gone so fast thank
• 59:45
  you so much for having me like i show them a
• 59:47
  quick thing if they didn't see magic because sometimes they won't i'll say
• 59:51
  look don't worry i'm going to send you all the footage from my meta ray-bans
• 59:54
  that's a separate combo you know so you can see the the compilation
• 59:58
  of everyone reacting to magic blah blah blah blah do you
• 1:00:00
  want to stay for a drink oh no it's okay you know i gotta i gotta
• 1:00:03
  watch how much i drink because i get to do so many wonderful events but before
• 1:00:06
  i go let me just do one final check to make sure i have seen everyone and then
• 1:00:10
  i'll i'll email you tomorrow and they're like oh thanks so much and then i will
• 1:00:14
  just walk around the room and i'll put i'll just find one group to do one more
• 1:00:17
  thing to and then now they feel like i that he has finished,
• 1:00:22
  but he is actually doing one final check to make sure he has seen everyone. Love it. Love it.
• 1:00:29
  And now I've already said goodbye to the client. So once I've done that extra
• 1:00:32
  thing, because I too will usually allow for an extra 20 minutes of me being
• 1:00:37
  at the event because it's just...
• 1:00:39
  What happens you know because you're talking to the client afterwards
• 1:00:42
  or networking with that one person that does want to get your card
• 1:00:45
  and you chat to them for a bit so i found
• 1:00:47
  that to be super helpful let me just do
• 1:00:50
  one more check just to make sure i've seen everyone but look thank you again
• 1:00:53
  thank you again for having me i can't wait to be back again i'll email you tomorrow
• 1:00:56
  so you can come see my show in the theater of magic blah blah blah and you just
• 1:01:00
  do one more walk around find one group boom and you're done absolutely and it's
• 1:01:04
  so important yeah it's and it's always good to like Like when you arrive at
• 1:01:08
  these gigs to ask somebody like, hey,
• 1:01:10
  is there anyone particularly that's like super important?
• 1:01:12
  Because I always try to save something special for them. And then you explain
• 1:01:15
  to them that you're doing this and that. And if you do stay a little bit longer,
• 1:01:18
  you might be like, hey, sorry, my time's up.
• 1:01:20
  Sorry, I stayed a little longer than I normally do. I was having a great time.
• 1:01:23
  Oh, you did? Yeah, I was hanging out with CEOs, spending time with him.
• 1:01:26
  And they just go, oh, you were great. No worries.
• 1:01:29
  Like, you know, it's just if everything's going the way it's supposed to and
• 1:01:33
  you're feeling welcome and you're not overkeeping your stay, wicked.
• 1:01:37
  And all you do is that whoever who booked you on the way out,
• 1:01:40
  you say, oh, I'm so sorry. I actually, I finished 15 minutes ago,
• 1:01:42
  but I've been having such a great time with you guys.
• 1:01:45
  Sorry. I don't want to overkeep my stay. No, you were amazing.
• 1:01:47
  Thank you so much. We don't mean to keep you. You have a great time, blah.
• 1:01:51
  So apologize and say, thank you for having me for that extra time.
• 1:01:53
  As long as the vibe is there and you're welcome, that's great.
• 1:01:57
  But as long as you're not sort of injecting yourself or feeling more important,
• 1:02:00
  like you're being held back from where you'd rather be, those are the sort of
• 1:02:04
  entities you got to think about.
• 1:02:07
  Speaking of overstaying our welcome my pizza showed up 10 minutes ago can we
• 1:02:12
  wrap this up so i can go eat with my wife thanks for listening it's time for
• 1:02:18
  us to disappear now disappear now but we'll see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.