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Why Grant Udinski or Nate Scheelhaase Might Be the Right Move - Cleveland Browns Podcast for 1/13/26 · The Dawgs - A Cleveland Browns Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Dog's Podcast with your hosts, Lake Renaker, Justin Charles, and Josh All.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what's up, Browns fans?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll come back to another episode of The Dog's Podcast Josh, all your hosts today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope everybody's week started off well, but it started off better than the Steelers week started off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one and done first round exit Pittsburgh Steelers back at it again, that is now five straight playoff games that the Steelers have lost by double digits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe that is the most or the longest streak of that kind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in NFL history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From what I saw this morning, the stats, they're oh and seven and they're last seven playoff games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just to give you guys another interesting stat that if you got Steelers spent, friends, friends or family, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give him this one, give him this one, though Pittsburgh Steelers last playoff win was January 15th, 2017, that is 3,285 days ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Cleveland Browns on the other hand, last playoff win for the Brownies, January 10th, 2021, just a short 1,829 days ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The streak lives on, the Brown still have the more recent playoff when and all, so the more recent playoff when in Pittsburgh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then the Steelers do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got to, got to love it, got to shove it into Steelers fans face because hey, what's the rivalry for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're not going to kick them while they're down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People would be like, well, here's the Brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What kick you when you're, we're always down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't kick us when we're down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're always down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're used to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just messing around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, the Brown's, the situation with the Brown's, we've got some voicemails to play here today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to dive into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your thoughts and opinions, but there's a voice mount here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to play today where the owl look for the browns future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, really, it's not all doom and gloom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we, as browns fans can tend to doom and gloom it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little more exaggerated than it needs to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it's been decades and decades of suckage and losing and just this turmoil that we've experienced over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I fall victim to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys know, you watch the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I boo who the browns suck, but you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do have positive things to talk about when I update you guys on the head coaching situation right now all the candidates all the interviews the everything all the news updates everything is going on with the head coaching search for the Browns and then dive into your voicemails and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple candidates that I'm really excited about to be honest with you guys when it get into those two a little deeper when we get to that point
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[SPEAKER_00]: you guys let me know as always in the comments what you think as we go along there's oh just tell you now we're planning to try to do some sort of live show on youtube you know we used to do the post game reaction shows live every Sunday night after the game
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that it's the offseason, the schedule varies a little bit when we're going to do our episodes based on the new cycle and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at some point this week, we are going to do a YouTube live show and Blake's got a very different opinion and approach to the head coaching search than I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I'll touch on that a little bit again when we get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you don't want to be part of the discord, you don't really care about that part or all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we plan to continue that way because I don't want anybody telling me what I can or cannot say about the Cleveland Browns, kind of like our media, which we got some boy smells about that two today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll dive in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to hang out with all the die hard browns fans in
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, real quick, let's recap what happened on Wildcard Week and so Saturday, whoo Saturday was a doozy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole NFL playoff postseason started off with the Rams going to Carolina to play the team that everybody said shouldn't even be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The eight and nine Carolina Panthers, why is this team with a sub 500 record, you know, first of all, why are they in the playoff, second of all, why are they hosting a playoff game?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should not be the division winners always get the host to playoff game and it should go by record, yada, yada, Panthers don't deserve to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Panthers damn near one that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Carolina Panthers fought man they were tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was I was blown away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as I was impressed with the Panthers, I thought, wow, they're actually going to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to ruin all my parlays, all my bets, everything that I put down on Cal She for their Rams to win this game, because I thought there was no way they were going to lose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm screwed, but the Rams did win at the last, I think it was in the last minute, the touchdown past the Colby Parkinson, what a catch, what a freaking catch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the NFL's so fun, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's plays and then there's players and man he that was a player making a play right there so then the night game The Green Bay Packers go to Chicago face the bears had the lead
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[SPEAKER_00]: look like Chicago probably not going to be able to come back and win this one or you know all right good good first season for Ben Johnson everything look great come back stronger next year nope they came back and they win that game so the bears move on packers go home we got some questions about Matt LaFlor their head coach and what his future might be
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday comes around after two fantastic games on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't miss a beat at 1 o'clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bills go to Jacksonville to play the Jaguars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That one comes down to the freaking wire, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the bill squeak out of 3.1, 27, 24 over the Jaguars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the mid-afternoon game, you've got the 49ers going to Philadelphia play the Eagles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The raining Super Bowl champs and they are out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 49ers come out with a close win in that one, 23 to 19.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I saw some people posting on Twitter, clean slate for the Super Bowl this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No chiefs, no eagles, those are the two that played last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only ones still in that's been in the Super Bowl recently, obviously would be the 49ers are there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So from the AFC side, it's going to be very interesting to see who goes to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the night game on Sunday, the New England Patriot is just white the floor with these, uh, I'm going to say San Diego.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Los Angeles Chargers 16 to three, Justin Herbert, another rough playoff game multiple turnovers, just ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for the Chargers and Jim Harble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course last night, tight game through about, I guess I was about two and a half quarters if I'm remembering correctly, Texans in Pittsburgh to play the Steelers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like seven to six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or no, yeah, I was 7 to 6 for a while and then it was 13 to 6 Houston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last quarter and a half, the Texan's defense just, first of all, CJ Stroud looked pedestrian, terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you can play much worse as a quarterback into playoff game than what CJ Stroud played last night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It certainly was not the CJ Stroud that whoop the Browns back in 2023.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you guys that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked terrible, but the Texans defense held up there and they scored the touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They needed ended up rowing the Steelers 30 to 6.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, Steelers are out, like you said they would be in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they always are, and the Texans are now moving on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's look ahead here real quick if you guys are a preview for divisional round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Saturday 430 the bills go to Denver to play the Broncos who had the first round buy because they were the one seed so we'll see who can win that game to move on to the AFC Championship game and then Saturday night 8 o'clock PM the 49ers up to Seattle division rival to play the sea hawks that's going to be a fun game that'll be a good one for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday 3 o'clock Houston goes to New England to play the Patriots
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then 630 on Sunday evening, the Rams go to Chicago to play the bear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So excellent matchups for divisional round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this, that would might have been the best wild card weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen in a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were really only two blowouts and even those blowouts weren't blowouts till the end of the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, the Patriots Chargers game was close for a long time and the Texan steals game was close for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all the games were,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really good, four of them were, you had to watch down to almost the last second to see who was gonna win, very tight games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the divisional round, I am really excited for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's kick it over here to this brown's head coaching search.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are we at?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are we stand?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who have we interviewed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the updates?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll start diving into your guys' voicemails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to recap and again, I do have actually so many mentions this in a voicemail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a head coach tracker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: pin to the top of my or to the docs podcast page on x.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want the current updated tracker in between episodes and things like that, just go to, you know, at the docs podcast on x in order to be, it'll be pinned at the top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Browns have conducted interviews with defensive coordinator Jim Schwarz and offensive coordinator Tommy Reese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have conducted interviews externally outside the organization with Bengals Offensive Coronator Dan Pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seahawks Defense of Coronator Aiden Dirty, Ravens Offensive Coronator Todd Munkin, and former Dolphins Head Coach Mike McDaniel that one happened yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have interview requests submitted for Charger's defensive coordinator Jesse Mentor, Ram's past game coordinator Nate Shieldhouse, Jaguar's OC, Grant Udinsky, and former Ravenshead Coach, of course, John Harble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's also been reported interest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not official.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't officially requested interviews, but there's just been reported interest from the Browns in Bill's offensive coordinator, Joe Brady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ram's defensive coordinator, Chris Schulah, and Packer's defensive coordinator, Jeff Halfway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where things currently stand for the Cleveland Browns candidates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's talk about a few of these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, well, you know what, I'm not going to talk about John Harble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got some voicemails to talk about John Harble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the two guys that I'm excited about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These interview requests came out here this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me a second, get a drink coffee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I open the top, that would help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll talk about Nate's showhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nate's showhouse, the past game coordinator for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When this one first popped up, I think a lot of people included myself were like, who?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we are so used to seeing interview requests and things for head coaching candidate positions from offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, and former head coaches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of, that's just the mold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way,
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[SPEAKER_00]: things go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been reading some stuff from, you know, some NFL experts and things like that talking about how things are really changing in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the, what has become this more or less standard way of doing things when it comes to head coaching searches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you can't do it the way we've been doing it for the last, I don't know, 10, 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the way we've been doing it in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, let's just look at offensive coordinator's for instance, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you try to find a good young upcoming offensive corner, Kevin Stephansky, great example for the Browns, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We go, we hire Kevin Stephansky, this offensive coordinator from Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the O.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: called the offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He called the plays and everything under Mike Zimmer, all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and comes the Cleveland now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the head coach in Cleveland and it's his off-venty calls the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we have an offensive coordinator under him, but he's calling the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of people on social media talking about how a ton of the candidates, the Browns have interviewed, do not call plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's offensive coordinator, due defensive coordinator, those coaches are not calling the plays for their unit on those teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because of this previous era that I believe we're starting to move out of, we have to start moving out of this previous era because there's no where else to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The vast majority of the head coaches right now in the NFL call the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: whether they're an offensive head coach or a defensive head coach, they are calling the place for that side of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when the Browns are interviewing offensive coordinators, they are the offensive coordinator underneath the head coach who calls the place because that head coach used to be an offensive coordinator who call the place and now they call the place for their team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really hard to find an offensive coordinator,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who calls the plays for the team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if they have an offensive head coach, he's doing it the same way on the defense aside of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So teams are starting to look, I've been reading this a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting to look down the organizational ladder, a little bit for potential head coaching candidates on those coaching staffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nate Sheelhouse is a perfect example of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Nate Sheelhouse, if you guys are a long time buck ice fans
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once I started reading up on him, I'm like, oh, yeah, I need Shieldhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him, played quarterback for Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to find the exact date on that one when he played college career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so do you guys, I don't know if you guys remember this, just we'll just go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember Juice Williams?
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[SPEAKER_00]: quarterback at Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember, this was back in, I'm trying to, okay, 2010.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're going to the way back machine here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 2010, but that's when she-o-house became the starting quarterback for Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was, he was good at Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he holds the their Illinois football record for career total offensive yards, most career passing yards, highest season completion percentage, second most career rushing yards by a quarter back like he was a it was a good quarterback for Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, coaching history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He started off five years later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He stuck around to Illinois at football operations in 2015.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he became the running backs coach, the same year in 2015.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the offense of assistant, 2016 to 2017.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he went to Iowa State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is where things really started to take off for Nate Sheelhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Iowa State, running backs coaches where he started there in 2018.
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[SPEAKER_00]: moved over to wide receiver coach from 19 to 20 and then he was the run game coordinator running backs and wide receiver coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So his his responsibilities and duties expanded significantly from 2021 to 2022 running game coordinator running backs and wide receiver coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Iowa State in 2023, they moved him to the offensive coordinator and the quarterbacks coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he progressed quickly through the ranks at Iowa State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to go into too much history specifics on him just because if he doesn't end up getting hired, it's all a move point for this coaching cycle with the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he gets hired, then I will do some very extensive episodes and things about Nate Sheelhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The overall, the general long story short, I guess, is when the 40 figures, people in charge of Iowa State sat down in a room with Nate's showhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They essentially looked at each other and said,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, this kid's got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were grooming him to be their, their heir apparent to Campbell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was his name?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shoot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just lost it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt, it was a Matt Campbell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Campbell, the head coach at Iowa State and they had, at the time was getting interviews, if you remember that cycle too, is getting interviews with the NFL teams and stuff like that to potentially be head coaching NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Nate Shieldhouse was their plan at head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even at that young age, she's only 35, something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's young, young guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And back then, they even then, they were saying, this is the next guy we want to coach our team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Campbell was still there and the Rams said, nope, we want this guy in our organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they hire Nate Sheelhouse as their offensive assistant and passing game specialist last year in 2024.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this previous season, 2025, he got promoted to their full-on passing game coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean McVeigh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: gushes over this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just they they keep so much praise on Nate Shieldhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They say essentially what he is so good at doing is going out and seeing all the innovative things that all the other teams in the NFL are doing and finding ways to incorporate bits and pieces from everything into what the Rams do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you guys have been following along with the NFL, the Rams had the number one passing offense in the NFL this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of that credit goes to Nate Sheelhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you got a guy from that Sean McVay tree, highly touted, highly praised, and another thing, and this is why Iowa State was so hell bent on keeping him around their organization, their program, to be the head coach, eventually for them, is because
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[SPEAKER_00]: They I was reading about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said he knows how to put a staff together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He will know how to put people together strategically Like like putting pieces in a puzzle together that fit just right and they said that is a skill that you either have or you don't and that's why he was
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting head coaching looks all ready way back then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Nate Sheowhouse, a guy again, I'll go into more detail about him if we end up hiring him, but I'm very interested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very interested in Nate Sheowhouse, the other guy that I'm just very interested in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I gotta tell you guys, he's probably number one on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is probably the number one guy on my Brown's head coach wishlist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I know it'd be great to get John Harble and that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John Harble, I believe, is 63 been around for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The NFL has changed and continues to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not the same
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[SPEAKER_00]: League.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't operate the same as it did earlier in John Harble's career whenever he was successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I should say he's always been successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But things just reached a tipping point with the players and him allegedly in the locker room and stuff like that over in Baltimore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, this is where Blake and I differ, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blake?
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[SPEAKER_00]: once a an established been there done it before type of head coach not like McCarthy absolutely does not like the idea of a guy like Mike McCarthy but definitely number one on his list would be John Harble he likes Mike McDaniel that type of coach who's been head coached nearly before and that kind of stuff
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I just so you guys understand why I would say Grant you didn't ski is on the number one spot on my list is because my mindset is more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a risk here I do tend to take a little bit more risk with decisions and things and I'm just that's my personality and I see unproven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, coordinator guy with upside, what's his ceiling?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What could he do as an NFL head coach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know because he's never been one before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, I see that as let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give that a shot and see what we can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go higher, unlike McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I can pretty much envision what he could probably do with the team just based on what he's done with teams in the past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it is not to say he can't grow and do better and Cleveland than he did in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've seen it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen it and it was okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of my takeaway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had some very good offences in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Overall team structure and things and I don't want to ruin way a couple of people saying some boys, because there's some really good points we'll get to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What could this guy be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to talk about it here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he started off his coaching career at Baylor, as a graduate assistant, went to the Carolina Panthers in the NFL coaching assistant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_00]: gets hired on the Minnesota Viking staff in 2022 under Kevin O'Connell as the assistant to the head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was a Dwight Schroed for Kevin O'Connell assistant to the head coach and special projects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was his role when he first got hired in Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The following season promoted to assistant quarterback's coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The following season promoted to assistant offensive coordinator and assistant quarterback's coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The following season 2025 hired on is the full-time offensive
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy has been highly praised by Kevin O'Connell, by Liam Cohen, the head coach now in Jacksonville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great Udinsky just got praised, heaped on him by Trevor Lawrence after the loss to the bills on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think about some of the quarterback turnaround that we have seen over these these time periods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything that you saw in Minnesota, the Sam Donald season, the resurgence of his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The year before that where I forget all it was like Josh Dobbs and Nate Mullins and Ernick Mullins and these guys who really have no business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: playing quarterback at a high level for any stretch of time in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next year, like I said, was Sam Darnl, then this year, Yudinsky goes to Jacksonville and oh, gee, who has a total career turnaround?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, like Trevor Lawrence was going to be one of these number one overall picks that never lived up to the hype.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trevor Lawrence has the best season of his freaking career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's no coincidence that it comes as soon as Grant Yudinsky gets to the organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: looking at Minnesota, who fell off this year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What position fell off for the Minnesota Vikings, that quarterback position was terrible now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that all JJ McCarthy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does he just suck that bad or did it have in part to do with grant you didn't squeeze departure from the organization?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have the reason I say that is because I've read some articles from Minnesota beatwriters and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: questioning how much of Kevin O'Connell's quarterback whispering was actually grant you dinsky quarterback whispering alongside him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like Grant Udinsky and some of the remarks from Trevor Lawrence, and again, I will do a full extensive history and breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys know everything about Grant Udinsky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he ends up being the coach for the Browns, but something that Trevor Lawrence said is that he's never had a coach more detail oriented than Grant Udinsky and coming up with a game plan, coming up with a strategy, and you saw what the Jaguars were able
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were, what were they, 12 and 4, 12 and 5, 13, I forgot what the record was, but they were awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were vying for the number one seed in the AFC at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn near beat, beat the bills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a phenomenal season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, Liam Cohen gets deserved a lot of credit for that as the head coach, but I, I just can't get off of this grant you didn't ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he, I think that he's got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he's got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The way I'm looking at a guy like Greene Dinsky and he just turned 30 years old, I believe, today or yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, just turned 30, yesterday, young guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Young guy, if he were hired as a head coach in this cycle, he would become the youngest head coach in NFL history, just turned 30 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know who that title belongs to right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little, youngster, 30-year-old, that a team just took a swing on back in 2017, a guy by the name of Sean McVay with the Los Angeles Rams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It took a swing on a 30-year-old offensive-minded guy turned out to be a pretty good move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that Grant Yudinsky is going to be Sean McVay, but I'm also saying Mike
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of those two, if those are your two candidates that you're debating between, take the guy with the unknown ceiling and my opinion, take the guy that has been highly touted under a couple different coaching staffs now rose quickly through the ranks in Minnesota just They saw the potential there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Kevin O'Connor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys know that he's one of my top coaches in the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Kevin O'Connor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Kevin O'Connor works out a guy like Grant Edenskin says, oh, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm moving him up in my organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving him more responsibilities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's worth the swing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's worth the swing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm big on, creating a disc is you guys can obviously tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I told you, he's a number one on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had to give my top three for the Browns, I know, and I know this is gonna go against what a lot of people think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be afraid to tear me apart in the comments, please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this is not going to be the consensus by any stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one is Grant Yudinsky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's who I want the Browns to hire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give it a try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we have to lose?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give it a try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what he can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, legit for me, Nate Sheelhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, same mindset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get that young, unproven guy who's, again, if you think that Yudinsky or Sheelhouse is going to get a head coaching job in the next,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Coaching cycle after the 2026 season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just hire him now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just hire him now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's what good does it do you to hire Mike McDaniel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a re-tread head coach just call it what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then say the Browns, you know, they have a so, so 20, 26 season, and it's one of those situations where the next draft cycle obviously were like, well, we can't just fire them after one year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to continue to see how this can can roll into year two with Mike McDaniel, the hot names on the market are going to be Nate Shieldhouse and greet you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dinskin, they're going to get hired by other organizations and they're going to boom, take their team to the play off that first year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what's going to happen because we decided we're not ready for that young guy right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just take a safer option with a guy who's been a head coach before and then we'll middle around until we have to fire him and hope that agreed you didn't skier innate shield houses on the market the next time we do this crap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just what I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in on Yudinsky and Sheo House.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if I had to give like my third option, I mean, obviously, I need John Harble and my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's still a, if you can get him, I still think it's a good way to, I'm not saying he's going to take us to the Promised Land.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an older coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably doesn't have a ton of time left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as his coaching careers concerned, but to get the organization turned around to a point where a young guy could come in and five, six, seven years and take over, if hardball were to like retire or something, I think he could get a good position for that next wave of coaching, but I'm more interested in the next wave of coaching now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me the young, innovative, offensive, brilliant minds, and let's see what can happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you guys remember, that was Kevin's to Fansky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Young, offensive mind comes in here, first season playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First season playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The downfall for Kevin's to Fansky was poor in game management.
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[SPEAKER_00]: questionable decision making at times with the play calls in, you know, fourth and short situations and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And his inability to adapt over time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As the NFL defenses caught on to what he liked to do, what his tendencies were, what his play calls were, all this kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he didn't change it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't, he didn't grow in a vault along with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were no new wrinkles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing, there's the game planning wasn't there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why you saw, we started off great and then it just kind of settled down and plateaued where it was, where it ended and that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's, in my opinion, what you have to try to shoot for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you want to get Kevin Stephansky because you just fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, you want that type of opportunity again where you can get that young guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this time, I'm hoping the young guy they hire, the young offensive mind continues to adapt and evolve his scheme, his offense and his game planning over the course his career and not just stay stuck in his ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Kevin was just too stubborn, too stubborn and I don't mean this in a bad way,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for, you know, any sort of prolonged success in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's why I question how he'll be able to fare in his next job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see because he'll get hired somewhere this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll get to see right off the bat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Grant Yudinsky, Nate Sheo House, sign me up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I am all on board with that type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know what you guys think in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my crazy are we done trying the up and coming young offensive minded genius type thing or or what so let me know what you guys think let's take a quick break and we'll be back hitting up your voice males
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First, voicemail on the dock at today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Aiden, you made it, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You made it on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's hear what Aiden has to say.
35:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey guys, this is Aiden from Indiana and this is my first time sending a voicemail to the dog's podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, listening for a while, obviously being a huge Browns fan, you don't...
35:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like you kind of get either one side of the spectrum with the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's either like, oh, we're a dog shit franchise who's never going to win, which seems to be factual the past 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But a lot of people also say that it looks like...
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[SPEAKER_04]: we don't have any room for success in the future.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that that's completely false.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that this team is set up for success as it sits right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we're going to get a new head coach.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that whatever coach we get is going to be better this defense key.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was not a huge defense he fan of course you look at the stats overall he was a loser like I feel like a lot of people see the two-time coach of the year he brought stability the franchise and of course he was instrumental in the playoff run that we had but at the same time he was a loser and I think that these past few years have been evident of that and it was time for a coaching change but
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[SPEAKER_04]: with the amount of draft picks we have this year and whenever the Sean Watson gets off the books, I think that this team is definitely set up for a success in the future and I can't wait to see it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hope this episode goes well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hope that I can hear myself in the next episode, so I hope you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there you go, A, and you got to hear yourself on the episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you listened, you better listen to this one, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that the Browns are set up for success on some fronts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, obviously, we have a great defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got our defensive core is locked in, they're very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's coaching that defense next year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see, we'll see as a Jim Schwartz is another defensive coordinator that comes in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the head coach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the quarterback?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin's defense guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just talked about him, but I'll just hit on it again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, overall loser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you're one eight games in two years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're a loser, but that's not all Kevin's defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew Barriers also a loser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this plays to some fan speculation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't disagree with it that Kevin's defense he's kind of a pushover.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen fans in the comments saying the Browns need to make
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, I agree because of listen, if you're an offensive minded head coach, and that's your specialty, your specialty is offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How enough did you let your general manager do what he just did to you on the offensive side of the ball?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did you let that happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This team is supposed to be, oh, one mind, you know, we make all our decisions together, yeah, yeah, yeah, Kevin, you sat in the meetings and said, yeah, not, I say a bonding gauge is all over the end, that's fine, that's fine to have, those can be two of our top receivers, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, the only two quarterbacks, I'm one of my roster of rookies, late round rookies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me somebody in here,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying you got a butt head with AB.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying you got to hold that dude and check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just I'm sure AB holds you and check is the head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, make sure he's not screwing you with this offensive personnel being the worst in the NFL ridiculous, ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do give Kevin's to fancy some blame for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do, because again, you cannot be an offensive minded guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That cannot be your specialization, your side of the ball that you focus on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and you allow your general manager to do that to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't, and I want somebody in here who won't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Aden, thank you very much for the voicemail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hope to hear from you again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it when the first time call or send in their voicemail and they're so happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm finally sending in a voicemail to the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna get on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes me smile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, appreciate you, Aden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next one here, let's hear from our pal Cooper.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey guys, it's Cooper Bell, and again, here in El Paso, Texas, I just want to let you all know you guys are correct, I am related to Adam, I have been looking for a new coach, if, if we could have one, I would take the best option which I think is John Harball, you could bring us a new culture, he grew up for Brown's friend, and he can get us to a super bowl maybe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cooper, my man, thank you for the voicemail love here and from the youngsters out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to bet the John Harball won his Super Bowl in Baltimore before you were born, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can correct me if I'm wrong on that one, but yeah, John Harball, obviously, it would be at the top of gosh, 95% of Browns fans wishlist, maybe 98.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't
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[SPEAKER_00]: unproven coordinator or staffer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess a national house is case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many people are like me in that regard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, not saying I don't want John Harball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Browns came out and announced, hey, we were hiring John Harball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's agreed to come here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be ecstatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be really excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like again,
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[SPEAKER_00]: while there's a ton of upside would John Harble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that there is a limitation to that upside at this point in his career and at this point in the evolution of the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just my opinion, not saying I'm right in any stretch, trust me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the way I feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know what you guys think, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they, they came out the other day and said that again, horrible has been feuding calls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been doing some exploratory calls with all the teams that want to have formal interviews with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I don't believe they've really announced yet which teams he's elected to do a formal interview with the Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was weird the other day out social media because the Atlanta Falcons come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: their social media team and they post that we've officially concluded our interview with John Harball for a head coaching position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he interviewed with the Falcons and then reports come out after that that John Harball hasn't interviewed with any teams beyond the exploratory phone calls to each team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it comes out that he had lunch or dinner or something over the weekend with I think it's John Mara, the owner of or the president, whatever it is of the New York Giants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know exactly what's going on with the John Harboural situation.
42:36
[SPEAKER_00]: The overall sediment seems to be he's really dialed into the giants or the falcons and then there's a little bit more also with the titans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those seem to be the top two or three teams right now with the odds on favorite to land John Harboural.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's been a group of Browns fan,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you're comparing the state of our organization and our roster to those guys, yes, we have a better defense than all three of those teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Falcons do have a good defense though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the Browns, but it's still a good defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've also got two quarterbacks on that roster that, you know, a coach like Harball probably feels like I can win with though.
43:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I can win with Kirk Cousins or Michael Panics when he gets back from injury.
43:27
[SPEAKER_00]: They got vision robson.
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: They got drave-landed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could bring back Kyle pets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got good pieces on the offensive side of the boy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You look at the titans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got all the cap space in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got great draft capital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a young quarterback in Cam Ward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are things that are to work with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite as roster rich as the Browns, like on the defense aside of all, but there's still Jefferson, and there's still some guys on that defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Giants, to me would probably be the ideal situation if you believe in Jackson Dart because you got Jackson Dart already in place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got his first year experience under his belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's ready to continue to grow and evolve.
44:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got good running backs there.
44:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got good receiver in.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: public neighbors, maybe they bring back Juan Deau Robinson.
44:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a high pick.
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: They could take a car and LTT or a Jordan Tyson type guy to bring in with public neighbors.
44:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You got good, like tight ends there, good young offensive line pieces, and you got a good young defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That defensive line for the giants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you can work with that.
44:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You can work with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think those landing spot destinations are a little better, a little more attractive than the Browns.
44:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Cooper, thanks.
44:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's hear what you dad has to say, man.
44:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Gentlemen, it is Adam from El Paso, Texas, aka Cooper's dad.
44:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just want to call in because I just watched a video that I thought was actually pretty pretty impressive.
44:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the coach for the Jaguars, his post game interview after the Buffalo, uh, loss.
44:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a reporter in the Jacksonville Press Room that, you know, she basically goes on to say, you know, congratulations on a great season coach and hold your head up high and you've had the most wonderful season and you're the one and, you know, I just sit there and I think to myself, you know,
45:17
[SPEAKER_02]: When will the day come that a Cleveland Reporter, Tony Grossy, Mary Kay, any of those guys look at one of our coaches and actually compliment them on the job they're doing rather than trying to create internal discourse with an organization.
45:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I've also heard Johnny Manzel's podcast, he's mentioned these individuals and how just hectic the press runs a muck within our organization and you know it's my personal opinion that you know I don't mind scrutiny especially when a job's not being done well however like the problems that our reporters create within our organization if that was Jimmy has I'm I'd ban these people from being in the press room and and creating that dysfunction with
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: My thoughts about the Cleveland media, the mainstream, Cleveland media, not great, man.
46:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Not great.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest with you, the mainstream Cleveland media is why this podcast exists in the first place, because I was listening at my previous job in my former life.
46:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I would listen to ESP and Cleveland every morning.
46:27
[SPEAKER_00]: All I was at work.
46:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And first of all,
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Had to shout out Aaron Goldhammer.
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You are you single handedly are one of the key reasons why this podcast exists today because I could not stand listening to that stupid
46:55
[SPEAKER_00]: a Broncos fan, a Denver Broncos fan in here, but literally in Ohio State, constantly just talking down the book guys, every chance he gets, ha ha ha he relishes when they lose, know your audience you more on.
47:10
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason to be here.
47:12
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason for Aaron Goldhammer to be one of the top voices on ESPN Cleveland.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he's just a lower-run guy that gets on there from time to time where he's got a non-prime-time show spot.
47:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the main people on that frickin' network, so I was done, I was done listening to him, done listening to Tony Grossy.
47:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We got blocked on Twitter by Tony Grocery a long time ago because of how much crap we talked about Tony Grocery.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So we called him out a bunch.
47:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't take it.
47:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He blocked us.
47:44
[SPEAKER_00]: At this moment won't share the specific details, but I did get into it with another Cleveland media member maybe like two weeks ago or so on Twitter and a DM back and forth where this person was
48:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's just say not very nice to our podcast about something that we reported on them saying, which was interesting because they were accusing us of making up what they said.
48:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I shot back the quote and said, but you, but you said this, this is this is actually what you said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched the video clip.
48:23
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what you said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Never got a response back after that, because I think they knew I was correct.
48:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't like how it made them look.
48:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's leave a media sucks.
48:33
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you guys are here.
48:34
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you're listening to this podcast.
48:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we do it.
48:36
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we do it.
48:37
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to give you a fan perspective on all this stuff.
48:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why the podcast has to stay independent there.
48:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't answer to anybody.
48:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be answering anybody.
48:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be held responsible for anything I say because it inflicts upon the interests of any other entity.
48:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Our thoughts are our thoughts and we're going to tell you like we always have what we really think.
48:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So Adam, I appreciate the voice mail, I appreciate you getting your son involved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome here in from your kid.
49:04
[SPEAKER_00]: That is really, really cool.
49:06
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
49:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
49:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got, I guess I've got two voice mail's left and these are both from Zack A.K.A.
49:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Fake burned.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go ahead and hit the first one from him.
49:18
[SPEAKER_03]: What is up?
49:19
[SPEAKER_03]: It is Zach, aka fake burns again.
49:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to start off by saying how much I appreciate the social media updates Josh talking about the head coaching search.
49:29
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really helpful to see who we've interviewed, who we want to interview, who we have one scheduled with.
49:34
[SPEAKER_03]: simply who we've had reported interest with it's super nice especially with this offseason already being so hectic with so many head coaching opening positions around the league and Just they're being a lot of options because of that so I really appreciate those And with that being said to with the Cleveland Browns official social media as I think it's funny And I'm sorry if you're one of those Cleveland Browns fans to people listening to this right now, but I think it's funny like whenever we interview
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[SPEAKER_03]: anybody else, people in the comments are all mad that it's not John Harble and they're like, I swear this team just wants to lose and it's like, no, we have to interview more people than just John Harble, but we got to explore our options and I respect that.
50:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trusting the process here, but obviously if Harble does want to come here with him being a Cleveland Browns fan growing up, like you guys said, I would love that.
50:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I would love if Green Bay fires their coach, we get him,
50:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, not a big fan of former Miami McDaniels.
50:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
50:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never been a huge fan of them.
50:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he used to be our receiver's coach, but I don't know.
50:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I just never felt like he was serious.
50:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I know people loved his like when they were good a couple of years ago and he was messing around with the players and stuff.
50:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that was great, but to me he just seemed like a kid out there, you know.
50:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there was always team meetings, like player only meetings against him.
50:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
50:47
[SPEAKER_03]: But go Browns, who?
50:48
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Zach.
50:49
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, well, you're welcome for the head coach tracker updates.
50:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned that already on the show.
50:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the docs podcast or at the docs podcast on X.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pinned up there at the top of the page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Browns fans getting mad in the official team post about who they're interviewing and all that kind of stuff.
51:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not, again, I say this stuff all the time and I hope nobody ever takes offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not knocking Browns fans for this.
51:13
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're listening to this podcast right now, you're not one of these people most likely.
51:17
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of, and I don't mean this in a bad way, I can't stress that enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of casual fans out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of, I'm a Browns fan, I see a post on Twitter, I don't really follow the team that closely, because I'm busy, because I got a job, I got a fan, and I got all this stuff going on, and I can't follow the Browns 24-7.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally get it, totally get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't know all the names in this cycle.
51:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't done the research on who, who the hell is Grant?
51:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't ski.
51:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
51:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know who John Harball is.
51:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So anytime you see a name that you don't know who to hell they are, and it's not John Harball, it's not a name that you know, and really in this cycle, who's the one name out there that everybody's like, well, that's a great coach.
51:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's John Harball.
51:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand where that is coming from, just because of the, and I don't want to call it a lack of knowledge of these other coaches.
52:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more of a,
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[SPEAKER_00]: just lack of time to do the research.
52:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You just, you're busy.
52:11
[SPEAKER_00]: You got another stuff going on.
52:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why this podcast, again, I like to just try to bring you guys the information.
52:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't have to go out there and research it yourself.
52:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You can just listen.
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, by, by all means, let me drop a name like Grant Edinsky and tell you what I think about.
52:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going out and do your own research.
52:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, again, I do encourage that.
52:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't just take my word for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go look into him yourself and see what you think.
52:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But for the people that just want to hear
52:33
[SPEAKER_00]: what i have to say or the information about these guys here you go here it is i'm happy to provide it now you mentioned one thing there's that about that before potentially getting fired by the green bay packers and i'm seeing a lot of that honestly the the atom shefter reports and things like that after the packers lost the other night in chicago
52:52
[SPEAKER_00]: have really been more of the la flora and the packers are trying to work out an extension.
52:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying because he's on the last year going into the last year of his deal of his contract and they're trying to work out an extension to keep him in house, you know, for the foreseeable future, which again, that doesn't mean anything as far as his long-term future, because again, Kevin Stephanski got an extension before the 2024 season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's fired now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have no idea what that extension ever was.
53:20
[SPEAKER_00]: We never got details on it, whatever.
53:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's just the way it is.
53:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't really mean that he's going to be locked in forever.
53:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But we look forward.
53:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at it up the other day as record without Aaron Rogers and Green Bay, something like 29, 21 and 1.
53:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not great.
53:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not great.
53:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just hasn't been able to get it done
53:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of coach that I don't know if I want to retread that.
53:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm not saying the Browns are some superior team that can just turn their nose up as some of these more accomplished head coaches, but I feel like there might be a cap.
54:02
[SPEAKER_00]: There might be a limitation to what Matt LaFlor can actually get out of a roster.
54:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you follow Packers fans online or go read anything, they say they're just not a big fan of him.
54:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It really haven't been.
54:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like the Tomlin situation in Pittsburgh.
54:15
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, you're a good coach, but you're not great.
54:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not getting us where we want to go where we expect this organization to be.
54:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And then to speak to Mike McDaniel, it's why, well, I still think he probably is like if I had to bet on one of these coaches getting hired by the Browns, it probably would be at this moment Mike McDaniel, I don't really know if I want him and it does speak to that if you just got fired by an organization,
54:45
[SPEAKER_00]: by a team where the players were having player-only meetings this year.
54:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Just this past year, I don't know if I want that coming into Cleveland taking over my team that's already kind of at sorts in certain areas and it's fragile.
54:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It is fragile here in Cleveland.
55:02
[SPEAKER_00]: while it was time for Kevin Stephansky to go.
55:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He did do a lot of good things while he was here.
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Team building over all was a good strength of his.
55:12
[SPEAKER_00]: He was able to get the team together.
55:14
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't the leaks of locker room turmoil and player only meetings and things like that under Kevin Stephansky.
55:23
[SPEAKER_00]: They were still fighting hard in a lost season.
55:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Under a lame duck coach at everybody as soon
55:31
[SPEAKER_00]: The last two games of the season, we won against the vision rivals and games that we didn't need to win.
55:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We had no business winning, but we did.
55:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We won those games.
55:41
[SPEAKER_00]: The players were still playing and still fighting.
55:43
[SPEAKER_00]: They had not phoned it in yet and I just don't know.
55:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I get that things did turn around under Mike McDaniel here at the back end of the year for the Dolphins and they went on a little bit of a hot streak and started
56:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know how Mike McDaniel is going to...
56:05
[SPEAKER_00]: The Cleveland media, I just, I don't know, guys.
56:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
56:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not big on it.
56:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I like him as an offensive mind.
56:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I like him as my head coach.
56:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that now, Zack did send in a second voicemail with some other head coaching pointers that I want to get to.
56:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's that.
56:24
[SPEAKER_03]: One more quick thing also.
56:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
56:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I know two voicemails in a row taking up a lot of time on the show.
56:30
[SPEAKER_03]: But one person I have not seen and I don't expect to see him because obviously he's on the 49ers and they have a real shot at the Super Bowl.
56:37
[SPEAKER_03]: But Robert Sala is someone that I've always kind of been interested in.
56:42
[SPEAKER_03]: To be honest, I kind of want to see a defensive minded head coach coming here with our defense being good and then bring in a good O.C.
56:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Robert Sala is someone that
56:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of high on, maybe I'm wrong, but I think he had a really bad situation with the jets, not that our situation is good, but I think it's better.
57:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And our defense would set him up nicely to where he can kind of give the reins to
57:07
[SPEAKER_03]: a good O.C.
57:08
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of like what you guys are saying his interview just has to be he's bringing a good O.C.
57:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So for me, Harball would be great, LaFlor would be great, and I think Robert Solot would be a really good one to be honest, but yeah, those are my thoughts on the on the head coaching position.
57:24
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll probably change, especially the more research I do myself and the more research you do, Josh, the
57:29
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of give me some information.
57:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess also a question too.
57:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a while, 2018 since we hired a coach again.
57:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we think we're going to hire a new coach before the Super Bowl?
57:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Or do we think it'll be a little bit later than that, just out of curiosity?
57:43
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um,
57:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sorry.
57:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I know two voicemails.
57:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I took up about three minutes to the show today.
57:49
[SPEAKER_03]: My fault.
57:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Go Browns.
57:51
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Zach, to speak to that last question.
57:53
[SPEAKER_00]: If you go back to 2020, the Browns officially hired Kevin to Fanske on January 13th, 2020, which is today.
58:01
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so happy Kevin's defense key day.
58:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Six years later, or six years ago, today is when we hired Kevin's to Fanske now, this note that this league season was a week shorter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: back then.
58:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that in mind, it could be within the next week, they hire somebody.
58:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's going to happen.
58:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this head coaching search is going to be extended a lot further out.
58:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think they hire somebody before the Super Bowl.
58:27
[SPEAKER_00]: There are benefits obviously to getting your coaching here earlier so that way you can start your staff building, get everything rolling because the offseason goes quick and the upcoming season rolls around very fast in the NFL.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just a little timetable on when the Browns hired their last coach.
58:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it will be before the Super Bowl Robert Sala.
58:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not as big on Robert Sala as you are.
58:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And not just you.
58:54
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of other people out there that like him as a head coach.
58:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's interviewing for the Ravens head coaching job.
59:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention earlier, the Ravens request an interview with Jim Schwartz for their head coaching position.
59:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So just keep that in mind as well.
59:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I'm just not big on defensive coordinator coming in here to be the head coach.
59:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I said in the past that I think this job would be more attractive to a defensive coordinator given the state of our defensive side of the ball and everything like that, but it doesn't mean that's my preference.
59:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I, so I found this chart and this is just 2017 to 2023, so it's not the last two seasons.
59:36
[SPEAKER_00]: but it is the six or seven years before that.
59:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So 2017 to 2023, 63% of the head coach hires in the NFL were offensive coordinators.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 28% were defensive coordinators and 9% were others.
59:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would be like a Nate Sheelhouse situation, offensive guy, but he wasn't technically the offensive coordinator type situation.
59:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you go back 2017 to 2023, here are the defensive head coaches hired and how did things go for these guys?
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that worked out very well.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Rable.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what Tennessee now.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So the answer there is no.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But obviously things are working out real well for my rival right now and I shouldn't say things didn't work out in Tennessee They made the playoffs multiple years in a row and all that kind of stuff It just wasn't able to get them over the hump, but I really like what he's doing With the Patriots this year Steve Wilkes no map of Trisha no Vic Fangeo no Brian Flores no
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Ron Rivera, it worked out okay whenever he was in Carolina, but then in Washington, not really.
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Robert Sala in New York.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_00]: No, did not work.
1:00:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Brandon Staley in Los Angeles.
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Dennis Allen.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Love you Smith.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Eberflue.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, a smaller percentage of the pool of the head coaching pool were the defensive guys, but only a couple of them have really had success.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, there's more opportunity for success on the offensive side of the ball.
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But you see the names there, and these are guys that are still getting thrown around for head coaching jobs, even if it didn't work out the first time.
1:01:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you got, here's, of course Kyle, shanahan, yes, Doug Marone, no, Sean McVay, yes, Anthony Lennon, no, Frank Reich, yes, for a little bit, but then no John
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_00]: didn't work the first time, worked out really well as an O.C.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_00]: in Washington now he's up for head coaching jobs again in this cycle.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Taylor somehow the only head coach left standing after this year in the AFC North, assuming something happens here with Mike Tomlin.
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Taylor really?
1:01:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Cincinnati?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Cincinnati fans are not happy about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Adam Gase, no, Matt LaFlor, yes, Freddie Kichens, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bruce Arians, Bruce Arians is a good coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Zifansky, yes, Mike McCarthy, Matt Rul, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Seriani, yes, some of these names, I don't even recognize because they were probably only coaches for like a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Mike McDaniel, Doug Peterson, Kevin O'Connell, yes, Josh McDaniels, no, Brian
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess what this chart shows me, too, is it's really hard to be a head coach in NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to be a head coach in sustained success, but there's a lot of names on the on this list that were re-tread guys, I mean, just...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just doesn't always work out that well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, that's why I go back, give me you, Dinsky, give me Shieldhouse, give me one of these young offensive, bright minds that have just absolutely risen through their organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't hold them down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to keep moving them up and giving them new responsibilities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you don't, they're going to leave for new opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are young, ambitious, hungry guys that aren't set in their ways, that are still innovating and still working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm interested in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me know what you guys think about the Brown's head coaching search.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who should we hire?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you want to hire?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think we'll get the interview with John Harble?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, by the time you're listening to this, there could be two or three more names added to the head coaching tracker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're adding names every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm updating the tracker every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So go to X at the top of our profile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pinned the head coaching tracker at the dog's podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say it all the time it's like you're donating one cup of coffee
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just one cup each month to the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But collectively, you guys keep this thing running and growing to what it continues to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be having a great week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: will be back with another episode at some point later this week like I said not sure when we're gonna do our live show on YouTube with Blake and hopefully Justin can get in there as well but we will let you guys know and until I see you guys in the next episode let's go browns keep interviewing coaches expand your search find the right guy and let's kick off the 2026 season the right way with some optimism and
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[SPEAKER_00]: and let's get out of this losing funk that we've been in these last two seasons under Kevin Stefanski, it's time for a new era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cleveland Brown's football, we're going to be here to detail it all with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you, love you, have a great week, let's go Browns.
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