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The Axeman of New Orleans · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In the middle of the night is when evil tends
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  Speaker 1: to wake. The shadows of alleyways, dimly lit parks, and
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  Speaker 1: back roads leading to the middle of nowhere are all
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  Speaker 1: the perfect place for the unthinkable to happen at any minute. However,
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  Speaker 1: it isn't too far fetched to think that while laying
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  Speaker 1: in bed, you may just have that same evil looming
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  Speaker 1: over you as you sleep. The Axe Man of New
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  Speaker 1: Orleans was vicious and evil, many saying he was more
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  Speaker 1: demon than man. The one thing we do know is
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  Speaker 1: while his victims were sleeping is when he would creep in,
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  Speaker 1: lift an axe over his head and strike.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a.
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  Speaker 1: True crime podcasting. The following podcast intended more mature audience
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  Speaker 1: listener discretion. You got it? Hey, Hey, that was good.
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  Speaker 2: That was excellent.
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  Speaker 1: But can it I mean, was that me or was
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  Speaker 1: that Nicole? Because this one could be Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that one was a little better, It was quicker,
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't better. I'm getting better.
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  Speaker 1: You're doing good, You're doing really good.
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  Speaker 2: Like that literally hurts my finger. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I'm an abnormal abnormal in that sense.
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  Speaker 1: But you do have dainty hands. Apparently, I will give
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  Speaker 1: you that, apparently. Apparently. How's it going out there with
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  Speaker 1: with everyone in the world. What's happening? What's shaken? We're
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  Speaker 1: sitting here. We just had our anniversary yesterday, our marriage anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thirteen years.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome years. Went to the lake. We chilled. We were
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  Speaker 1: supposed to go mountain biking tube. We didn't. We just
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  Speaker 1: did the lake Nicole and paddle boarding, took the dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Saw a bear that was fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, across the way. Yeah, we wanted to do mountain
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  Speaker 2: biking two. But we can't really take the dogges anymore
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  Speaker 2: with that because Honey Bunney.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, our dog, Honey, you should explain who our dog, Honey.
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  Speaker 1: She's a bolter, so, yeah, she likes to run, so
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  Speaker 1: she is a leash dog and Ripley will be the
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  Speaker 1: mountain bike dog because she's really good with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a good day yesterday. It was nice.
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  Speaker 1: And today we've got forest fires all around us in
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  Speaker 1: BC's that's.
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  Speaker 2: Very smoky and it's very early for this to be happening.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it is, so it's kind of scary.
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  Speaker 1: There's been some some towns and cities who are on
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  Speaker 1: like evacuation notice others actually being evacuated, which is absolutely
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  Speaker 1: terrible for those people who aren't aware. British Columbia is
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  Speaker 1: definitely a hub for this sort of thing in the summer,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a normal, which is unfortunate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Berta, I think is facing it even worse than us.
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  Speaker 2: They're the province right next to us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got it really bad right now too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just BC, but I'm just like the
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  Speaker 1: BC area because you go down south a little bit
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  Speaker 1: into like Washington, California, and over now Berta, BC just
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  Speaker 1: seems to be like that that hup, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but generally it's more of July August that this
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  Speaker 2: is more of a worrisome.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, this early is concerning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the mosquitoes have now come through, so we
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  Speaker 2: can no longer enjoy the outdoors.
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  Speaker 1: So we can enjoy a drink and sit here and
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  Speaker 1: talk about true crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just at our house. I find that they're
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  Speaker 2: the worst. So if you go i mean mountain biking,
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of always moving, so it's not as big
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  Speaker 2: of a deal. And then on the lake, I don't
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  Speaker 2: find them bad when I'm padleboarding, and in the city
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  Speaker 2: they're not really that bad either, So there's ways to
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  Speaker 2: get around it.
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  Speaker 1: Touche toche. I do want to let everyone know that
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  Speaker 1: the case today is an unsolved one. It is a
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  Speaker 1: very very well known case. It is the Axe Man
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  Speaker 1: of New Orleans. We are going to do a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a post show today where we're talking a
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  Speaker 1: bit more in depth on some of the theories. At the end,
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  Speaker 1: we are going to kind of go into some of
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  Speaker 1: the theories here, but we're going to go do a
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  Speaker 1: little post show. We're going to kind of talk more
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  Speaker 1: of our opinions and that sort of stuff on them.
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to check it out, you can
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  Speaker 1: head over to Patreon descriptions, you know down below. You
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  Speaker 1: can go find the link right there. And speaking of Patreon,
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  Speaker 1: we go to thank our patrons who signed up this week.
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  Speaker 1: We do have some to think So first and foremost,
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  Speaker 1: we had Laura Firth, Chelsea Hayes, Rachel McCormick, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure this person made their name Lucifer. It's l
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  Speaker 1: U s j I f e Er. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what they're going for. We also had Samantha, Chastity Prowers,
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  Speaker 1: Brooklyn Johnson, and I'm pretty sure this person is also
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  Speaker 1: doing a nickname. It is a very interesting one. It's
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  Speaker 1: fecal Falcon and Anthony Peters and then in the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours Melissa and Sabrina Reid also joined. Ops.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, that's the list and a half.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Thank you, Thank you to all you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Also to Feakan Falcon if that is your real name.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize. I just caught me off guard. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: have a feeling you just wanted to say fecal Falcon
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  Speaker 1: on our podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now you've said it like three times, but hey,
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  Speaker 2: you never know, you never know nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: That's true either way. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome. We appreciate the support and we'll see you
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  Speaker 1: guys over after the show for the little post show
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  Speaker 1: podcast that we're putting over there.
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  Speaker 2: You took my good idea and you're doing it again. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was an amazing.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good idea. Well, we do pre shows
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  Speaker 1: are where it's at post shows. Post shows pre shows.
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  Speaker 1: They're both pretty dope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they are, actually, I don't know, I really enjoy those.
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  Speaker 1: They're both good. Yeah. Okay, so you're ready for this one.
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  Speaker 2: I am ready.
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  Speaker 1: I am not because I got to line up my
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  Speaker 1: phone here. I'm actually reading off my phone today with
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  Speaker 1: our our scripts that we go with because our podcasting
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  Speaker 1: laptop has decided to have a major error and it
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  Speaker 1: is a loop. So I'm reading off my phone.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly think it's kicked the bucket. It's pretty old.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see how it does. I think we might just
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  Speaker 1: go get it taken a look at and if it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't spring back to life, yeah, we just go get another. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can write it off with the podcast right there.
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  Speaker 2: You go write it off, yep, just like our alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Just like the alcohol. Okay, well, let's start off. The
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  Speaker 1: Axe Man of New Orleans basically a real life boogeyman scenario.
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  Speaker 1: For over a year from nineteen eighteen to nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: he terrorized the city of New Orleans in the night
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  Speaker 1: as citizens slept peacefully in their beds. Now, in their
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  Speaker 1: beds is the exact place where he would strike. He's
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  Speaker 1: not just kind of looming as they're sleeping. No, I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking literally in their beds. His victims would be sound
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  Speaker 1: asleep before they would be woken up to this looming
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  Speaker 1: figure standing tall over them, wielding an axe over his head.
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  Speaker 2: That is horrible. Yeah, that is a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Worse than a nightmare, Like I mean, he's a literal boogeyman,
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  Speaker 1: so it's kind of terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: So some stories tell of a large man who crept
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  Speaker 1: it at night, but others say he wasn't really a
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  Speaker 1: man at all, but something more sinister and supernatural, which
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  Speaker 1: will kind of touch on throughout this and discuss at
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  Speaker 1: the end. Now, like I said, it's an unsolved case,
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  Speaker 1: so we will leave it to you to decide if
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  Speaker 1: he is something more supernatural or what. So the very
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  Speaker 1: first person who would fall victim to the Axe Man
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  Speaker 1: was an Italian grocer named Joseph Maggio his wife Catherine
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  Speaker 1: as well. Now, the attack took place on May twenty third,
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighteen, as the two of them lay asleep
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  Speaker 1: in their beds at four nine zero one Magnolia Street.
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  Speaker 1: Their apartment was located above the grocery store in which
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  Speaker 1: Joseph worked. As they slept, they had no idea that
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  Speaker 1: the man soon to be known as the Axe Man
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  Speaker 1: was creeping closer and closer to them. As he approached
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  Speaker 1: their bedside, he stood and swung the axe over his
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  Speaker 1: head and rained down his vicious strikes on Joseph and Catherine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that is some wild shit. That is unbelievable. That's
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  Speaker 2: I think, one of the worst ways to possibly die.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to top it all off, to ensure he finished
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  Speaker 1: the job, he took a straight razor and cut both
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  Speaker 1: of their throats. Now, I do want to clarify the
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  Speaker 1: order is actually not confirmed. He may have cut their
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  Speaker 1: throats first to ensure that they were quiet, and then
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  Speaker 1: when they were bleeding out he finished them with the axe,
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  Speaker 1: But either way it would have been a very bloody
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  Speaker 1: and very horrific way to go.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, even for the first responders to come and
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  Speaker 2: see that like that would be I couldn't even imagine
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  Speaker 2: the scene that that would be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gruesome as far as I can tell. And
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  Speaker 1: it's a ongoing theme.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. Yes, So this dude almost seems like he like
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  Speaker 2: liked the blood or something.
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  Speaker 1: I've got I've got something I want to touch on,
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  Speaker 1: but again it's too early for me to say much yet. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he liked blood, but there is
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  Speaker 1: something that I think a lot of people glaze over
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  Speaker 1: it that I kind of picked up, and I really
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  Speaker 1: do think he likes a certain aspect here.
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  Speaker 2: And something I need to touch on because I need
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  Speaker 2: to get this off my chest is prior to this show,
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about this axe guy like in the
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  Speaker 2: bed and I was like, okay, well, like it makes
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  Speaker 2: me feel better that he wouldn't be able to do
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  Speaker 2: this in our house because like, you can't stand up
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  Speaker 2: in our bedroom because it's loft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a loft, tiny home, right, so.
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  Speaker 2: And then Ben was like, yeah, but you instead, you'd
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  Speaker 2: have this like creepy guy crawling towards you in axe
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my gosh, that's worse.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, because you can sit up in our bedroom loft,
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  Speaker 1: but you cannot stand, so you just have this dude
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  Speaker 1: crawling towards you instead.
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  Speaker 2: So that I don't know, I mean, it's just all terrible.
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  Speaker 1: This is terrible. Oh, anyone coming towards you in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the night as you lay in your bed
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  Speaker 1: for you think.
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  Speaker 2: You're a shafe.
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  Speaker 1: That's just not cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's brutal, because I mean waking up, like even
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  Speaker 2: waking up to a sound is so alarming. But just
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  Speaker 2: imagine that you wake up and there's literally somebody standing
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  Speaker 2: over top of you. That is just no.
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  Speaker 1: You'd have me to protect you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the dogs, right, I'd be fine.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was that situation where I was ready to
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  Speaker 1: fight that one time. Remember mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: So you love this and you literally have said this
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  Speaker 2: numerous times on this podcast too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but not everyone has probably heard every episode. I
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  Speaker 1: never probably heard it, So I'm gonna tell it again
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  Speaker 1: because I think it's hilarious. So, living in one of
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  Speaker 1: our old houses, Nicole was going to work. I was
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  Speaker 1: on graveyard ships, so I was still sleeping, and She's
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  Speaker 1: going to work in the morning and sets the alarm
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  Speaker 1: off on her house. The house alarm is just going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Incidentally, I can't even remember how I did it,
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  Speaker 2: but I did it.
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  Speaker 1: I've been asleep for maybe like two hours, two three hours.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I jolt up out of bed. I'm
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  Speaker 1: wearing my underwear, and I bolt downstairs and I am
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  Speaker 1: completely zogged out of it. Don't know what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: but I am ready to fight whoever the fuck is
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  Speaker 1: coming through that front door.
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  Speaker 2: It was quite a sight. I was pretty sure I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, holy fuck, calm down, Like I just
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  Speaker 2: I think when you set the alarm and then if
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  Speaker 2: you open the back door, it went off. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's what happened, right, because we let the dog
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  Speaker 2: out periodically. You were just like guns a place and.
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  Speaker 1: It was just like I was gonna fuck someone's day up.
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  Speaker 2: Can't go back to work or go back to bed.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, we digress, So back to this, the first
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  Speaker 1: encounter actually occurred. He actually had his two first victims. Now,
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  Speaker 1: he would leave them there in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 1: of course, and it would be in the morning, around
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  Speaker 1: four thirty AM when their bodies would be discovered, and
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  Speaker 1: it was approximately two hours after the attack had occurred,
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  Speaker 1: so the estimation attack was around two thirty am, So
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  Speaker 1: at four thirty am, Joseph's brothers, who I can't clarify
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  Speaker 1: if they lived with them or in an adjoining building
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  Speaker 1: or neighbors somehow, okay, but the Joseph Joseph's others would
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  Speaker 1: be the ones to discover them. Both of them, when found,
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  Speaker 1: were of course in very bad condition, many brutal wounds
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  Speaker 1: on their bodies, especially their head. Catherine specifically had almost
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  Speaker 1: been completely decapitated in the attack. Joseph, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: was reportedly still alive what but barely so his brothers
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  Speaker 1: found him. She was deceased. He was clinging to life.
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  Speaker 1: How so they called the ambulance, and before the ambulance
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  Speaker 1: and police had actually arrived at the scene, he had
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  Speaker 1: passed over.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's too bad. I was like, what a survivor
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  Speaker 2: story if he made it through that hole.
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  Speaker 1: Well he did cling to life for two hours.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's credible.
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  Speaker 1: It is police, of course, beginning the investigation right then
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  Speaker 1: and there upon arrival. They discovered some things pretty much
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  Speaker 1: right away. Didn't take them long to find some significant evidence.
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  Speaker 1: First thing they found was a small lower panthan on
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  Speaker 1: the door had been broken or a term I saw
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  Speaker 1: lots in many articles. Chiseled out is how they set it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I understand why it would be
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  Speaker 1: chiseled out.
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  Speaker 2: Specifically, and that's how he broke in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he would like take out this panel chiseled
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  Speaker 1: out breakout. However, he'd take this panel out on the
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  Speaker 1: lower door and he would make his way and gain
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  Speaker 1: entry that way.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not that these people were leaving their
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  Speaker 2: doors unlocked. No, he's fine in another way.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Now, they also found a pile of blood soaked
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  Speaker 1: clothes laying in the home where the murderer just got
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  Speaker 1: dressed in some other clothes and laid his dirty, bloody
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  Speaker 1: soaked clothes just laying there.
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  Speaker 2: Before he Wow, that seems like a new thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so he basically yeah, changed left, didn't
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  Speaker 1: really care. And then outside the home they found the
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  Speaker 1: bloodied axe and a couple doors down a bloodied straight
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  Speaker 1: razor as well.
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  Speaker 2: Really, so he's just ditching everything saying that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, without a care in the world. Huh, Both of
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  Speaker 1: which the axe and the straight razor, mind you, belonged
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  Speaker 1: to the home, which meant he did not bring weapons
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  Speaker 1: at all. He came to the house, found his weapons
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  Speaker 1: of choice, then attacked.
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  Speaker 2: Really yes, okay, because I was kind of like thinking
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  Speaker 2: that the axe would start being like his trademark and
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  Speaker 2: like he'd use the same axe and all this jazz,
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  Speaker 2: but apparently not. Now, just show up and find your weapons,
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  Speaker 2: seems yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So there is a little caveat I want to put
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  Speaker 1: in here. The straight razor reportedly had actually belonged to
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  Speaker 1: one of his brothers, The one of the two that
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  Speaker 1: had found him, and those two were initially the first
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  Speaker 1: suspects in the case. They were ruled out pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 1: The brother actually had owned a barber shop and he
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  Speaker 1: owned many razors, and most likely he got it from
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  Speaker 1: his brother who owned the barber shop.
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  Speaker 2: Was just kind of like borrowing it or something.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, you can argue, yeah, he owned the
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  Speaker 1: razor initially, because but it's like, yeah, he owned a barbershop,
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  Speaker 1: He owns many fucking razors and probably sold or gave
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  Speaker 1: a lot away, so yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But the big thing was the careless manner in
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  Speaker 1: which everything was kind of left. It left a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people baffled. Like the police were like, why did
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  Speaker 1: he just leave the pile of clothes, Why did he
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  Speaker 1: just leave the murder weapons, Like it doesn't really make
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  Speaker 1: much sense. He didn't cover his trail at all, didn't
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  Speaker 1: even attempt But I also.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like back then, because didn't you say, this was
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  Speaker 2: like nineteen eighteen or something, they didn't have to really
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  Speaker 2: worry about that. They didn't have technology to't necessarily like
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  Speaker 2: use those things to their.
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  Speaker 1: Advantage around this time, like fingerprinting was a thing, It
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  Speaker 1: just wasn't very it was pretty new, wasn't wasn't used
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  Speaker 1: very often. Okay, So I mean he's clearly going to
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  Speaker 1: be leaving a bloody fingerprint on these weapons and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what does gives two shits?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, in my opinion, almost like he's mocking
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  Speaker 1: the police.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes it worse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Police were also able to rule out of robbery
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  Speaker 1: as there was nothing missing and there was valuables left
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  Speaker 1: in plain sight, but absolutely nothing was taken. Investigators immediately questioned,
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  Speaker 1: of course, several people, the brothers being prime suspects, but
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  Speaker 1: all were released due to lack of evidence. Interesting, so
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  Speaker 1: it would be just a little more than a month
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  Speaker 1: later that another couple would be attacked in the early mornings.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: On June twenty seventh, nineteen eighteen, a baker named John
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Zanka was making early morning deliveries when he discovered Louis
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Besmer and Harriet Lowe. Now, both were viciously attacked in
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the same manner as the two previous in the last month,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: but it was not a whole lot different really when
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: you're looking at it. They were asleep in their bed,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: a panel was broken on the back door for someone
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: to gain entry, and they were found in pools their
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: own blood in bed. Both were vicious attacked in the
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: same manner as the two in the previous month. They
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: were sleep in their bed. A panel was broken on
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: the back door, where of course the individual gained entry,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: and they were found in pools of their own blood,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: and an axe which had belonged to Louis was found
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: covered in blood left in the bathroom.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Two, I just have two things to say. One, that's
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: scary as shit because at that point, like you then
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: have a serial fucking killer on your hands, serial fucking
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: killer really right, yeah, Like that's four people now. And
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Also I feel like it's almost I was gonna say ruder,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: that might not be the best word, but to use
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: like the the the person's own axe to kill them,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like it is.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Almost It's like salt in the wound kind of. It's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: just that little extra like fuck you almost.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's makes it a bit more disturbing.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: It does, and in which he's just discarding it and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: not caring.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: How does he know he goes to these like I
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: don't know where are axes? How does he just know
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that he's going to find an axe at these people's house?
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Well, you would have known where the ACXS was if
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you let me hang it on that hour. I think
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: we talked about that on Patriots.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: That was a Patreon thing.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Anyways, there is one different thing that happened with this though.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: This time, however, when they were found both of them
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: were still alive. Oh yes, and they quickly received medical attention.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Louis would survive, but Harriet, however, made it a total
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: of seven weeks in and out of surgeries and medical
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: attention before she succumbed to her injuries.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Shit, okay, so he's almost okay, I take that as
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: like he's almost getting more confident and he's like, yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of course he's sep like dead and just like doesn't
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: stay to make sure and finish the job kind of thing.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Keep that in mind, okay, okay, okay. There is another
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: small twist to this. So the first twist being that, Okay,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: this time they're alive. The second time, Harriet, before she
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: passed away, being questioned by police and everything, she accused
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Louis of being the attacker like her husband. They weren't married,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: but yes, him her counterpart, really, yes, so he would
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: actually be charged with murder and he would serve nine
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: total months in prison, but it would eventually be acquitted
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: on May first, nineteen nineteen. Later on, okay, it would
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: only take a ten minute jury deliberation, and there was
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: just simply no evidence that he was wanting to do it,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: not to mention that he would have actually literally had
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to turn the axe on himself. Oh yeah, to try
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and get away with it and then go plant it
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and also have knowledge of the other case.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like to turn the ax on
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: yourself to like wound yourself. Oh, I don't know how
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you could go about doing that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it also didn't help that the axe man's
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: killings would continue while Louis was in custody, or Louis
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: was in custody.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, there you go.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So on August fifth, nineteen eighteen, the third
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: attack was made. Miss Edward Schneider was eight months pregnant
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: at the time and laying sleep in her bed.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: It would be shortly after midnight that she was discovered
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: by her husband, Ed Schneider, who was returning home late
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: from work. Her scalp had been sliced or I think
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a better word actually would be split open. Her teeth
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: were knocked out and her face was completely covered in
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: blood so much though that ed at the time could
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: barely identify her injuries because there was so much blood
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and swelling just everywhere.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Holy to do that too, like someone who's pregnant, right,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that did they both die? Well?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Luckily for her, like some others before her, she lived,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: was able to survive the attack.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Wow, what a superhero. That's insane. And her baby lived too, and.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: She even gave birth to a premature but others completely
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: healthy baby girl just two days later.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Holy. Okay, that is a survivor story and a.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Half right, Like holy fuck?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So what were you saying in the last one with
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: him just getting over confident almost?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: You think, yeah, like he's just kind of like thinking
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: he knows how to kill people and he has to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: do this, and then he just leaves and they're they're good.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you still do you still think that? No?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: No, I actually still think that. Okay, yeah, sorry I was.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: But then he would have had to know the one
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: stayed alive though. Actually, now that I'm thinking about this,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: when he went to attack this other lady, right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: He would have known.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Oh so what is he just a complete piece of shit.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Well that for sure, Like, is he wanting them to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: stay alive? You okay?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So well I don't know. I mean, that's good to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: stay alive.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: But like what I was gonna wait before I brought
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this up, But since we're kind of on the topic already,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: because you kind of started going the direction, you're just
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: going the direction of me. I think he's not caring
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: if they survive or die. He's just attacking them, beating
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: them with an axe and leaving them be. And if
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: they survive, they survive. If they die, they die, and.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It's like survival of the fittest or something.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: That's what I think. I think there is some sort
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: of it's not a murder spree he's on. He's on
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: an attack spree, which I think is a very different
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: thing because I think it could paint different motives. To me.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It doesn't paint revenge, you know what I mean. It
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't paint I want this person to die or this
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: type of person. I think it paints almost like a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: threat taking an extra step. That's what it sounds like
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Well, because most serial killers, it seems like they get
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: off by like the killing portion, like they're taking a life. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but he just doesn't really give.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: A shit exactly. It's almost interesting. It's almost like he's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: fulfilling something owed or something, you know. It's like you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: did something to me or something along those lines. So
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pay it back to you, and if
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you die in the process, so be it. But I'm
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: just going to make sure dues are paid. That's what
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like is happening here.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Because even in the first one, the man didn't die
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: right away, right, wasn't it like two hours?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yes? But the woman's head was almost completely decapitated.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And then if this woman survived, then I was like, okay,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: maybe he has something more so against the women, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: then not necessarily either, so yeah, wow, okay.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Well, she, however, like I said, did survive, and she
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: did give birth to a healthy baby girl. But she
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: did tell police she didn't remember much of anything from
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the attack, but she did remember seeing a large, dark
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: figure standing over her just before she was bashed in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the face repeatedly with of course, an axe.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: They're all acts. Yes, gosh, way do we write a purchase? Eh?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I know?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Right? So, just five days later, yet another attack would occur.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: An eighty year old man Joseph Romano was attacked on
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: August tenth. Now, Joseph lived with his two nieces and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: they both woke up to a commotion in their uncle's bedroom.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: The two girls, Pauline and Mary, entered their uncle's room
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to find him slumped over on the floor in a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: pool of his own blood. And the two girls had
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: also allegedly even seen the attacker fleeing the scene, so
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: they did provide a brief description of what they saw.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And I quote a dark skinned, heavy set man who
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: wore a dark suit and a slouched hat.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: You've even wondered he know that the house had anyone
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: else in it, you know, like is he just like
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: really gives zero shits, or is he has he done
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: his research? Or has he known that those two girls
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: were there, but like he didn't consider them a threat.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: That's the thing with this, We don't know any of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: these There's so much up for debate in this case. Hmm.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And it does kind of seem like he's dressing the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: part two of this like evil kind of spirit thing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Right, We'll get into the evil spirit thing here in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a bit.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: That's just what comes to mind.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, no, because I mean if you think
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of like men in black for example, like the men
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in black are these figures We don't know if they're
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: government or if they're paranormal or supernatural, but yeah, they
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: dress in these dark suits, dark hats, sunglasses, almost like
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they're trying to hide the identity of what they could
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: truly be. So it's possible. So despite all of his injuries, though,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Joseph was and mind you, he is eighty years old,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: able to stand up and walk through his house and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: meet the ambulance once they arrived outside. However, he would
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: succumb to his injuries and die two days later.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Dang all these people that are so close to surviving
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and then days later or weeks later as in the one.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, that's sad, and just like other cases
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: as well. A bloody axe was found at the scene,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and a panel on the door was removed to gain
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: access so the axe Man. By this point had the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: city of New Orleans in utter fear. Police were receiving
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: countless reports from citizens claiming to have seen what they
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: assumed to be the axe men looking around at night.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Some were beginning to carry guns, and others stayed up
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: all night watching over their families taking shifts. Police had
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: individuals on corners taking patrols, like everyone was an absolute
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: high alert looking out for this fucking axe man.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Just terror because yeah, even like locking your doors and
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: stuff like it, he was still this happy me of getting.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: In locking your doors. God wasn't enough. So there would
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: literally be people sitting up in a chair with a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: shotgun in their hand as their family slept and their
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: waiting just in case the axe men came into their
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: house in their bedroom at night.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: That's quite a visual, hey.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Isn't it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So the people were absolutely afraid, and rightfully so. But
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: for some reason, just as quickly as the killings began,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: they suddenly stopped. A sense of calm began to creep
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: back into people's lives and days past and days past,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and the thought of the axe man began to slowly
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: fade out of daily conversations. It was almost normal again
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: That's what he wanted. I think.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Seven months later, yep, there you go, boom, on March tenth,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, the axe Man would strike again. It would
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: be Charles Cordemiliega. I think I said that name right,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I really hope I did. Thank you. Who was a grocer,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: which was becoming a theme with most of the victims
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: at this point. In fact, there was a couple that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't mention already because I didn't want you to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: catch on to the fact that they were grocers. Really,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: but almost all of the victims were grocers.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Like, what does that mean they worked in a grocery store?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, so they worked or owned or managed
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a grocery store sort of thing, like a little small
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and they're all pretty much all of them are Italian
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: immigrants as well.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he did have like anmo or what's a
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: victim type?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a target if you were an m oh, yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: for sure. So Charles lived with his wife, Rosie and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: their two year old daughter Mary. Now they weren't exactly
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans per se, though, they were just across
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the Mississippi River. Regardless of exact location. In the early mornings,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it would be a frail sixty nine year old man
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: who was the neighbor named Lrondo Giordano, who heard screams
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: coming from their home. Now, Lrondo rushed across the street
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: as quick as he could over to the house to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: see what was happening. And if he could help in
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: any way. Rosie had apparently woken up to find her
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: husband struggling in a some sort of like a fight
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: with this large man wielding an axe in their bedroom. However,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: her husband was unable to overpower the man and was
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: not to the ground with an act blow.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Well, they're at a ridiculous disadvantage. They're just literally waking
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: up from being.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Like a sleep. Oh you bet.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: You think I don't know how you get your shit
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: together when someone is alert and has an axe, you know.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, adrenaline does a lot. I will say
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that playing Devil's advocate here. But you're just waking up, yes,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and this dude you're laying down. This dude's standing over
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you with an axe. So this guy hella props for
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: him to even attempt to fight.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I don't care if he didn't win or not. I mean,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of course I care that he didn't win, because he's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: now in this situation. But he attempted, he fought, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: he did what he could, and that is major props
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Oh totally. So.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Rosie, now seeing him knock to the ground, was left
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: laying on the bed and now holding her two year
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: old daughter in her arms, begging for them to both
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: be spared. No, but the man was completely unfazed. He
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: raised the axe high in the air, struck them both
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: both once each without a second thought.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: So when the neighbor Lrondo arrived, Charles was on the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: ground in a pool of his own blood and Rosie
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: stood in the bedroom doorway bleeding from a severe head wound,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and her lifeless daughter en rooms.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it wouldn't take much for a two year old, Hey,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: it would not. Dang here. I was like, maybe he'll
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: just like leave and walk out.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: But no, No, with the two year old, it suspected
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that she would have died almost immediately from the strike.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Wow. I mean he already did this to like a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: lady who was eight months pregnant or whatever, So what
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: do we expect.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I guess Yep. So they were rushed to the hospital,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: where they were both treated for skull fractures. Both luckily
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: did survive. However, their two year old daughter, as they
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: already mentioned, did not. Charles would be released two days
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: later and Rosie would remain in the hospital care before
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: being released a little while longer. Okay, so again, he
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: just attacked and he if they didn't, I didn't die
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: because he only struck Rosie once and that was that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and he just left.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did the same to the daughter as he
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: did to the moms.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And that is a very big theme. He's not ever
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: necessarily sticking around to ensure the people are dead, to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: ensure he keeps striking more to finish the job. He's
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: just doing enough that whatever he needs is fulfilled, whether
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it is a personal pleasure thing or it is, like
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: my theory goes some sort of potential debt being paid.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Well, and especially too, if he's kind of more so
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: attacking people, what are.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: You calling them? Groceriers? Grocers?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Grocers? Okay, I don't think I've heard that term before.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Those people would definitely have to be more on alert, hey,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: because if you're Italian and you're a grocer, oh my god,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I would be one that was staying up all night too.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Like a freaking care definitely.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: So.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Once recovered, Rosie did state that the attack was made
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: by the neighbor ring Lorondo and his eighteen year old son, Frank.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, they said who it was, That's.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: What Rosie said. She told the police because the neighbor
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: who came.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Over this he got sixty nine year old dude.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixteen the sixty nine year old guy who
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: was a rather frail man and obviously couldn't even lift
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the axe, he was so frail. Like he said it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: was him, She said it was him and his eighteen
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: year old son.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: What the shit.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's probably due to her head injury, because
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I means she was just struck up.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, and then those people came in. Okay, yes,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that's making sense.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, Lorondo could not have committed the crime.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: He was way too old and frail. Not necessarily old,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: but he was definitely a frail man. And his son,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Frank was I believe he's around two hundred pounds and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: six foot and there was absolutely no way he was
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: going to fit through the broken panel that was found
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: on their door. Oh okay, so yeah. So once again
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: New Orleans was suddenly filled with terror with the prospect
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of the axe man striking again and still wandering the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: streets at night. Clearly their nightmare wasn't over as an
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: everyone had kind of previously thought. So the police believed
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: all of the crimes to have been committed by the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: same man, and to quote them, a bloodthirsty maniac filled
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: with a passion for human slaughter. But I kind of disagree.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a passion for human slaughter, because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: if it was a passion for human slaughter, they'd keep
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: going in my opinion.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Right, they would just like keep it. I don't know
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: how to even word I was just like you keep
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: with the acts, Like, yeah, there was literally just like
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: blood everywhere, people were definitely deceased.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would be going until he was sure they
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: were dead, potentially dismembering, maiming further. He's just striking and leaving,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: which leads me to believe there's some other motive that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: has to be.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they if he was attacking for like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: how do they word it again?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Sorry, blood bloodthirsty maniac filled with a passion for human slaughter.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then I think the attacks would I mean, not
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: that they're not bad, but they'd be almost worse. Wait.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Ye don't get me wrong. It is definitely a bloodthirsty
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: maniact with a passion for human slaughter, But I don't
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: think their intent is passion for human slaughter. They just
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: probably happen to like it and this job coincides and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, this is what they're going for, and that's
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: what I specifically believe is a job.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: A job.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: That's what I think. Shit which leads us into stuff
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: a little later on. But okay, I let that slip,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: so I'll give you guys that one little piece for now.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Anyways, it would be then five days after the attack,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: when two year old little Mary had lost her life,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that a new twist came into play with this case.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Two year a little Mary.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: A local newspaper had received a very disturbing letter from
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the alleged acts man on March fourteenth, nineteen nineteen. And
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the letter he promised enough their attack, and he even
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: named the date.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Seriously he did. WHOA this fucking asshole?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: So the letter goes as follows, Hell March thirteenth, nineteen nineteen,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: esteemed mortal. They have never caught me, and they never will.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: They have never seen me, for I am invisible, even
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: as the ether that surrounds the earth. I am not
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: a human being, but a spirit and a demon from
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the hottest hell. I am what you New Orleans and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: your foolish police call the axe man. When I see fit,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I shall come and claim other victims. I alone know
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: whom they shall be. I shall leave no clue except
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: my bloody acts besmeared with blood and brains, of whom
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I have sent below to keep me company. If you wish,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you may tell the police to be careful not to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: rile me. Of course, I am a reasonable spirit. I
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: take no offense at the way they have conducted their
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: investigations in the past. In fact, they have been so
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: utterly stupid as to not only amuse me but his
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: satanic majesty Francis Joseph, etc. But tell them to beware.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Let them not try to discover what I am, for
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it was better that they were never born than to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: incur the wrath of the axe men. I don't think
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there is any need of such a warning, for I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: feel sure the police will always dodge me, as they
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: have in the past. They are wise to know how
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to keep away from all harm. Undoubtedly, you New Orleans
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: think of me as most a horrible murderer, which I am.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: But I could be much worse if I wanted to.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: If I wished, I could pay a visit to your
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: city every night at will, I could slay thousands of
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: your best citizens. For I am in close relationship with
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the Angel of Death now to be exact at twelve
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: fifteen earthly time on next Tuesday night, March nineteenth, nineteen nineteen,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pass over New Orleans in my infinite mercy.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make a little proposition for you people here.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: It is I am very fond of jazz music, and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I swear by all the devils in the nether regions
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that every person shall be spared in whose home a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: jazz band is in full swing at the time I
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: have just mentioned. If everyone has a jazz band going well,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: then so much the better for you people. One thing
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: is certain, and that is that some of your people
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: who do not jazz it on Tuesday night, if there
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: be any, will get the acts well. As I am
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: cold and crave the warmth of my native Tartarus, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it is about time I leave your earthly home. I
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: will cease my disclosure, hoping that thou wilt publish this,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: that it may go well with thee I have been
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: m and will be the worst spirit that ever existed,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: either in fact or realm of fancy.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: The Axe Man, Holy shit, Yeah, that's a lot to
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: unpack with that.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So basically he claims to be a demon.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: From Hell, higher power of some sort.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: He claims to be in close personal proximity to the
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Angel of Death, and on March nineteenth, nineteen nineteen, he
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: promises his attack, but only to those who, for one
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: reason or another.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Because are playing jazz.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he just enjoys jazz. You got to play
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: jazz at twelve fifteen am. Otherwise it's going to attack you.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Huh. I wonder if that would make jazz music more
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: popular or less popular. In the end, think and less,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you think less, Think and less.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Why do you think less?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Well, because everyone's gonna be terrified of like it's it's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: gonna be associated with like one of the most terrifying
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: nights of their life.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean maybe, but it's possibility. I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: just picture Satan down there in Hell just for can
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: sit near some smooth jazz, some saxophone in the background.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I would literally be playing jazz music for the rest
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: of my life, every single every night.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: The Devil loves jazz. I'm gonna play it just to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: appease him.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, that is a letter and a half like
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: for this person, I mean, this is a human being.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, for anyone to just write
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a letter like that, like you gotta I don't know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: you gotta think that maybe they have some mental illness
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: going on there, because.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: That's or they think extremely highly of themselves, or they
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: just wanted to fuck with people further.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Like they're really fucking with people.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, March nineteenth came around, and everyone in
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: New Orleans was listening to jim and jazz, and for
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: those who didn't have a record player, they were at
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: friend house friend's houses, or pouring into local dance halls
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and venues to listen to all sorts of local jazz
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: pat jazz bands, jazz bands, jazz bands playing live music.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: They stayed, let time roll around the city, kept playing
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: music when the time came and passed well into the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: early morning even and eventually no reports of an attack
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: occurred that night.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Because literally everyone was prepared.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Pretty much everyone was listening to jazz, no attacks occurred.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: There would have to have been someone that wasn't but okay.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Well sure, but good luck finding them, because.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: There would be other people that were just as confident
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: as this guy and be like, oh, this isn't gonna
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: happen to me, Like fuck, this.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: True but even put it this way, of ninety percent
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: of New Orleans playing jazz, just try and find the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: person who's not. Even if you were standing on a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: street saying two houses out of these twenty houses are
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: not playing jazz right now, good luck figuring out which
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: one it is, because they're all pumping. It's like I
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: just hear jazz all around me. Yeah, what I mean? Yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that's true, because there's like the noise leaks and spreads,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and you don't know where it's coming from always. So anyways,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: on August tenth, nineteen nineteen, another attack would occur. A grocer,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: once again by the name of Steve Boca. He was
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: attacked again in his bedroom as he slept. He would
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night to a
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: dark figure looming over him, and, just like others before,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: an axe quickly came striking down on top of him,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and again an axe he owned. He would wake up
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a little while later, however, in severe pain, with blood everywhere,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Conscious but in rough shape, he would run to the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: neighbor's house. The neighbor's name was Frank Gensua. Now Here,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: he would collapse and be unconscious. At Frank's place, he
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: would survive this attack and recover, but unfortunately, he would
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: not retain a memory of the assault and would not
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: be able to help authorities in their investigation. A month later,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: on September seconds, a man named William Carson was attacked
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: by the axe men. William did, however, manage to fend
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: him off by reportedly firing several shots at the intruder.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Though not officially connected to the string of killings, there
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: was a broken door and an axe left behind at
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the scene.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that one's not even certain if it's the axe.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Man, not even fully certain. I guess, okay, right, because
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I mean the attack never really technically happened. It could
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: have just been a robbery for we really know technically well.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Because lots of times there's copycatters too, write.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Copycatters, copycatters, copycats, copycats. Yeah, so someone just.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Using this as like a terror thing and going to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: rob people.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: On true, right, So you were not fully certain. However,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it would be the very next day, on September third,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, a young girl named Sarah Lowman will become
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the next official victim. Again. She was asleep in her
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: bed when she was attacked neighbors came to check on
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: her and found her unconscious, covered in blood. Where she lay,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a bloody axe was discovered in the front lawn of
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the building, and Sarah would survive and eventually recover.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: The fact that these people are surviving. This is unreal
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: to me, which.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Tells me he's not trying to murder anyone. There's something
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: else at play.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, because I mean, you're if you have this
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: axe and you have these people in this kind of
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: like position, like you're going to be able to kill
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: them if you wanted to.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So if that was his motive, if he was
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: trying to kill people, he would kill people. Sure, early
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: on there might be some survivors, but he would learn
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: he's letting survivors live and he would correct that absolutely.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And you could correct that pretty easily with an axe.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's quite.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: A weapon of choice.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So nearly two months later, the very last attack
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: would come. In October twenty seventh, nineteen nineteen, another grocer
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: by the name of Mike Pepitone was found by his wife.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: She saw two large men fleeing the scene from where
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: her husband was found. Two two now, her husband was
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in the bedroom and had been struck on the head
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a total of eighteen times and was laying in a
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: pool of his own blood. Oh God, in a continuing
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: string of similarities. She was also unable to identify the men,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: merely describing them as large figures. Now, even though authorities
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: tried to piece together the murders, they were never really
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: able to come to a full conclusion. There were some arrests,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: some suspects, but none ever led to anything of any
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: sort of substance, of any sort of substantial results, which
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: may which means this case, as I mentioned earlier, is unsolved.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: The Axe Men of New Orleans will likely remain a
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: mystery for who knows how long, if indefinite. That being said,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: there are theories well.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Because I also just have to say at this point
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: that that individual I'm sure is not alive anymore. No, Right,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: So you do see old cases getting solved sometimes, but
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that's quite a bit of time.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there there would be no no one involved in
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: this case that is still alive today. The only way
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: we would be able to solve it is with physical evidence, right,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: is if we had, say a bloody ax with fingerprints
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: on it and matching fingerprints from someone already in a
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: system exactly.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: That's the only way, yeah, because you're and I don't
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: know if they would have even kept all those stuff, right,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: yeah they still have them.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Or not, yeah, or I mean, I mean there's other ways.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: It's just an example of that only way. There's there
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: could be confessions in a diary and you know, yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff that goes on. But yeah, primarily
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it's like, eh, it's left to that. So some of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the theories we do have to cover are a spy theory,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: a spy a spy theory. Now I do want to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: note these theories don't generally ever cover the whole thing,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: but cover portions of them. So the spy theory, we
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: know Louis Besmer, who was one of the victims on
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: this list. In fact, he was the one where his
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: significant other accused him of being the attacker. Yeah, so
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Harriet had accused him of being the attacker with the hatchet.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: But he was, you know, acquitted of all charges.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: And she had passed right, did she Was she one
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: that had passed away or not?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, she had passed away. Every seven weeks later. Yeah,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Now just because he is acquitted of the charges doesn't mean,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: his uninvolvement is absolute at least, So this theory states.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Now investigator, once actually investigating him and he was in custody,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: had found that he had written letters both in Yiddish
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and Russian, leading them to the conclusion that he was
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: part of a German spy ring. So whoever had attacked them,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: the theory goes, is actually not the Axe Man, but
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: something completely unrelated. So this may not actually be in
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the Axe Men killings.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Hmmm. That one's confusing to me, I feel like.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: So they're saying there's there's a reason for someone else
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to have attacked them. He could potentially be a spy
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: in the war, okay, which gives other people motives to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: want to attack them, other people rather than just the
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Axe Men doing these seemingly killings. I see, right, So
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: this one might just be like a red herring in
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: it it's not really part of the Axe Men per se,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: just a whole other one all on its own.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Then there's the mafia theory. So, as with Louis our
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: final victim, Mike Pepatone, many speculate that it was actually
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: an unrelated mafia hit. Mike's father had apparently killed another
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: man years earlier, and this might just have been revenge,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and this might explain the potential of two men in
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: this scenario. There was also a large bolt that was
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: found as a weapon involved in this attack, and the
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: bolt was a piece of a circus attraction which had
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: been held a few blocks away only a few days earlier.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So again, this one very well could be a completely
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: unrelated killing.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Well, also because I feel like this guy is giving,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: could be giving like a spy or mafia type people
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: ideas of what weapon took go about using and stuff. Yeah,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: it hits, And especially because it would amplify the terror,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: right because everyone's already afraid of this this axe man,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: and then if you're getting attacked by something else with
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: an axe, like, yeah, I.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Know you're right. Another theory is a man by the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: name of Joseph Munfrey. Now there's a writer out there
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: named Colin Wilson who has come up with a pretty
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: interesting theory on who the axe Man could be. And
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: this is, as far as I'm aware, the only theory
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: on the axe Man's identity. He figures this man by
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the name of Joseph Munfrey could be it Mike Pepatone,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: who is one that we just talked about, who was
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: attacked by the two men eighteen strikes in the head.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: His widow reportedly actually shot this supposed of Joseph in
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: December on nineteen twenty a year later. So Mike just
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: so happened to be the last victim in these acmens
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and these axe men murders. However, she goes back and
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: kills him. So it's a little bit of this weird
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: coincidence thing that's happening. So there is a caveat There
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: isn't actually any public or police or court or news
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: records that show a man by the name of Joseph
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Munfrey to be killed, but there are individuals with that
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: same last name having criminal records. Now, that last name
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: was also rather common as well, which could lead us
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to believe that, well, maybe the name Joseph Munfrey was
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: an alias at the time, so that we might have
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: a potential name. We still don't know who that name
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: actually belongs to, who this person behind it really could be, right, Okay,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: So to explain this down a little bit further, because
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit complicated and convoluted. There, So Joseph
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: had dealings with the mafia and dealing specifically with blackmailing individuals.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So the theory goes that Mike Pepatone was killed right
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: his widow moved to LA and remarried. From there. She
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: would remarry, but the new husband would also soon disappear
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and never be seen again, so that is a whole
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: other case. Joseph would then approach her in LA for
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: money and jewelry, where then she would end up turning
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: around and shooting them out the window after their altercation
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and apparently in this theory, officially ending the rain of
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the Axe men.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Huh okay.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Well, so to me, though, this taking place in LA
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: makes it a little bit hard to believe because they
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: went from New Orleans to LA. We're talking east coast
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: to west coast, so he would have had to follow
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: her there to threaten her for some cash and jewels.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't quite seem so plausible to me. But
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: other than that, it may explain why so many Italian
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: American grocers specifically or targeted potentially being tied up in
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the mafia, whether it's through relation, whether it's simply ethnic relation.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe they own money, or maybe it's a control of
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: certain territory.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Who's to say, wow, Okay, all these theories just seem
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: like they're there, they make sense, but they're also ones
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: that you feel like you have to kind of think
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: on for a bit because.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, especially that one. Yeah, so there is also
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the copycat killer. One theory is the Axe Man was
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a copycat on his own who is inspired by crimes
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: of a previous serial killer known as the New Orleans Slayer,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: who was active in the city a few years prior
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: to the Axe Men murders occurring. So this serial killer
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: was never caught, also targeted Italian American grocers and their families,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and used an axe as the weapon of his choice. Now,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: this theory does generally glance over the fact of the
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: potential of them actually being the same individual.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just like, could they not be the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: same person? Yes, they have the same target and everything.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a topic out there, but it's not
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: when people generally go to, which I find odd. Okay, Now,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: it could also mean that the killings were not done
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: by the same men whatsoever. What if it's just a
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: joining of copycat killer after copycat killer, or what if
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it is just mafia's going after people who owe debts
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and it's not even the same dude, it's just the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: same method used by the same group of people. Yeah,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the final two, I want to go over first one.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: It's a jazz promotional thing.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, no fucking way.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Well, this one's a little bit of a stretch, but
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: there there is some legitimacy to it. Some say the
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: whole thing could have been a promotional stunt for jazz.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: But what let me put it this way. What if
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the letter itself had nothing to do with the ax Man.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: What if someone just did some gorilla marketing, submitted a
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: letter apparently from the ax Men to get people to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: go out listen to jazz, and someone hoping, hoping that
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: their band would start selling tickets.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: You know, that never even occurred to me that that
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: letter could have been from somebody else, But it totally could.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It totally could have.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Been, because yeah, it could be someone who's really just
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: good at like writing as awesome writing skills and came
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: up kind of with the story.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what if it's a venue owner and he's not
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: getting the traffic lately, and he's like, I gotta think
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: of something, I gotta get people to come listen to jazz.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: What if I literally threaten people with the axe men
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to just go listen to fucking jazz music.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I mean it kind of makes sense. But also I
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: just feel like after that night, jazz would plummet.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily because what if people just enjoyed the time
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: they learn new music and realize, hey, jazz is.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Pretty cool, I guess, but I also feel like there'd
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: be some you'd be scared, like either be terror associated
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially. And finally, last one is that the axe
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Man is a supernatural demon, which is pretty self explanatory
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: because the letter.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: That we read, Yeah, well, I mean he was sort
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: of referring to himself as that. Yeah, huh wow. I
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: don't even know if I could fucking pick one of these.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like the fact that they're all associated,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: like how they're all like grocers and like Italian or whatever. Yeah,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: what's up with the grocery.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Stores, Well that kind of goes into my theory a
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: little bit, which I believe is kind of mafia related. Yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I think it kind of explained it mostly. I'll go
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit more in depth in Patreon, but it's
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: it's primarily mafia. I think these grossers somehow, whether meaning
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: to or not or somehow tied up in the mafia,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and it's just maybe they're not paying their extra high
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: rent or something like that, or dues need to be
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: paid and it's just okay, well, if you don't pay up,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: we're going to come take you in your family. That's
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the gist of it. And yeah, then there's a bunch
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: of these other theories out there. I mean, all of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: them could be right. At this point, we have no
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: nothing to say one or the other. So what we
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: do know that, though is officially labeled ax Man, he
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: has six murders and another six injuries, so he's attacked
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: a total of twelve people.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a big list.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, which many people think the numbers could actually
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: be much more. It's just not reported or.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Didn't have it as connected to this or something exactly.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is the story of the Axe Man.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of that story.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Well you've heard of the axe Man.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I've heard of the Axe Man. Yes, they haven't heard.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't know the story.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Well, it was an interesting one to dive into because
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard it either. The theories I love ones
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: where you really got different theories and some of the theories
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: are very interesting to me.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, those ones I would have to kind of
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: like have on a piece of paper and like dissect
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: them and then decide which one logically made most sense
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: in my brain.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, so almost like if you had like a corkboard
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: of pieces of papper and hat like a string you
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: could go and draw back and forth.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I'd have to spend some time on that one to
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: figure out what I thought it actually was fair enough,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: fair enough, because those were some of those seemed to
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: far fetched to me. But just like hearing them off,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: like one off like that, they did more.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah too, schepe. Anyways, hopefully enjoyed it. That one's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: been on my list at least for a while. I
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen it on the but''ve been
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: in that book yep. And so finally got cut around
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to doing it. It was an interesting one, a little
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: bit different, but definitely terrifying. I don't know if I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: want to have an axe around our house very much,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: or maybe we should have an axe. It's just under
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: our pillows. Yeah, so if we look up seeing someone
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: wielding an axe, we can just grab our own axe
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: and fight back, and then it'll be mortal combats.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Jeez, yeah, I know, because I was just gonna be like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: lock your doors, we'll be safe, but good gosh, Nope.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: He even got through the locked doors, which after like
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the hype of like the main people starting to panic
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and everything. People were making sure their doors and shit
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: were locked, but he was still getting in.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: They're probably boarding them up and probably I mean going.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I would probably go next level too, if your whole
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: city was just kind of on attack, really alert or yeah, huh,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: well done.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it. If you guys do want to
• 57:53
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• 57:56
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• 57:58
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• 58:00
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• 58:02
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• 58:05
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• 58:06
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• 58:08
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• 58:17
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• 58:19
  Speaker 2: So thank you, perfect yeah, thanks so much for being
• 58:22
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• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Until next Tuesday, stay wicked.