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BREAKING: Donald Trump on Team Bitcoin!? | EP 907 · Simply Bitcoin

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  It's all. Going to zero against Bitcoin.
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  It's. Going up forever, you're.
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  Against Bitcoin, you're against freedom.
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  Yeah. Welcome to another episode of
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  Simply Bitcoin Live. You're your number one source
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  for the peaceful Bitcoin revolution.
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  Code breaking news Culture. Matic Warfare.
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  We will be your guide through the separation of money and
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  state. Historic moment yesterday in
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  terms of the shifting of the Overton window.
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  OPTI is telling me to check my mic and I will do just that.
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  Bada Bing bada Boom. That should be fixed.
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  So big shift in terms of the Overton window, we had Javier
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  Malay go to the Contilion Air conference, people call it the
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  World Economic Forum, and he was dropping absolute bombs,
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  basically making the case. And we have all the clips for
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  you guys, of course, making the case how governments use the
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  printing of money to control people, making the case against
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  collectivism, making the case for freedom.
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  And he basically said that the only way to achieve prosperity
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  is for individuals to have freedom.
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  So that happens over there in Davos.
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  I was joking around. I tweeted, I said, you know,
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  Javier is just dropping bombs on Klaus because I can't believe
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  they allowed that speech because, you know, well, you
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  have a lot of these individuals, these central planners that
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  truly believe that they know what's best for everyone else.
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  And here's this person basically saying, like, look, capitalism
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  is the answer, individualism is the answer, freedom is the
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  answer. That's how you achieve
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  prosperity. And also saying stuff like
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  collectivism killed 150 million people in the last century,
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  which is true, I might add, right?
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  So just crazy shift of the Overton window and not to
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  mention if you go on the World Economic Forum website or
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  YouTube channel and you see like their their most popular videos
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  and you know you have world leaders from all walks of life
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  giving their speeches, the you know President Malay's speech is
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  just by far the most popular right.
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  So again, you see the great awakening happening before our
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  eyes and back in back in the in the States.
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  This is, this is a big deal. You had President Donald Trump
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  mention that if he were to be elected president and he has a
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  very he has a good shot of being elected president this year, he
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  would be staunchly against central bank digital currencies.
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  This is one baby step in the right direction.
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  And the reason that this happened is because Vivek
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  definitely whispered some things in his ear.
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  And surprisingly to Trump also, the crowd was very excited when
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  he said that, right? So this is a step in the right
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  direction. It's not going to be long before
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  Bitcoin is on the ballot, right? We had candidates like Ron
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  DeSantis, RFK Junior and Vivek, but they didn't really have a
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  chance of winning. We everyone always knew was
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  going to be Biden versus Trump. But and of course, you know, Ron
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  DeSantis was talking about being pro Bitcoin.
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  So was Vivek. So was RFK Junior.
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  He had that legendary speech at Bitcoin 2022 basically saying I
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  would protect the right to self custody for bitcoiners.
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  I'd be staunchly against central bank digital currency, but the
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  primary candidates ignored it. They didn't really talk about
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  it. We know how the Biden
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  administration feels about it. They're staunchly anti, you
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  know, quote UN quote crypto. And, you know, I'm assuming
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  that's a lot because of the influence coming from Elizabeth
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  Warren. But on the other camp, which is
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  now very interesting, very interesting political
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  development, you have Donald Trump again could win the
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  presidency going out in public and saying if you vote for me, I
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  will vote. You know, I will be against
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  CBDC's. And I've been saying this many
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  times guys, it's not left versus right, it's not red versus blue,
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  it's green versus orange. The party of central bank,
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  digital currency, slavery, nihilism, poverty versus a party
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  of orange. A party of Bitcoin, peace,
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  prosperity, opportunity. You can't be, you know pro
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  Bitcoin and be pro CBDC. That that's impossible that any
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  politician that says that is, you know, is is misrepresenting
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  what's going on. So the fact that he's against
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  CBDC's is definitely, definitely a a step in the right direction.
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  Made quite a when I posted this yesterday, this video, it made a
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  quite a bit of a splash on Twitter.
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  So we're going to go through some of the comments you had
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  Phil Geiger and of course you had Stefan Lovera chiming in.
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  So this is a big, this is a big deal.
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  The fact that Bitcoin is is potentially about to take a
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  center stage in the political discussion and one last thing
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  that I wanted to mention as well is that I think by 2028 or 2030
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  it's gonna be politically unviable to have an anti Bitcoin
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  stance just because of the amount of adoption.
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  I also wanna give a shout out to all the listeners.
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  Help us push the Orange Revolution forward.
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  Anyways, I got my legendary coast caught him in a smile.
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  How you doing Opti? I'm doing wonderful, man another
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  day in paradise almost at the end of the week.
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  So feels good we made it another week.
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  I forget what my math is. I try to do it every year.
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  I think it's week 3 of 52. So you know we got a we got a
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  mountain to climb Nico. But man interesting, interesting
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  stuff coming out. I I saw this this morning the
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  the Trump speech and I was like, wow, OK, it is definitely
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  becoming a defining conversation.
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  Obviously he didn't go full Bitcoin yet and we'll talk about
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  that later. But hey, at least he's going
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  anti CBDC. And I think I saw Walker say
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  this morning like it's not enough being anti CBDC.
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  You got to be pro Bitcoin, you know, using, using the rhetoric
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  against them And the Malay speech.
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  I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but man, how'd they
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  allow him to do this? How they allow him to do that?
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  What's going on here? My spider senses are stinking.
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  That was a terrible idea. And you know, it was Klaus who
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  introduced him to like, really? Like, why would they like it?
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  It was just like it would like because essentially he just
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  called BS on everything else that they were talking about.
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  Anyways, the culture segment's going to be a lot of fun stuff.
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  Special guest we have Mason from Block Block Ware Solutions
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  joining us on the show and the culture segment.
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  there. You were telling us some very
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  interesting stuff backstage, so I can't, can't wait to hear
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  about that. So, Mason.
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  Welcome. Maybe.
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  intricacies during the culture. No, sounds good.
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  Yeah man, happy to have you on the show.
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  I think we've been trying to get you on the show for a while.
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  In the grand scheme of things, Bitcoin is still a tiny little
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  baby anyways, So a lot of people were skeptical of Malay going to
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  the World Economic Forum, right? The World Economic Forum is, we
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  like to call it, on simply Bitcoin.
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  The Contillionaire conference, There's a lot of conspiracy
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  theories to it and a lot of things.
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  Look, guys, I'll just say this, no one's better than their
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  that, you know, they're very important, they're very
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  powerful. But I think that just has to do
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  with the fact that they are in close proximity to the benefits
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  of the Fiat money printer, right.
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  So you have these horrible ideas coming out of there, like 15
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  minute cities that you have the infamous article which they
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  tried to pull off the Internet, which was you'll own nothing and
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  be happy, right? So a lot of these crazy
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  collectivist ideas come out of this forum.
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  And you know, Javier Malay got elected and we're like, wow, you
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  know, he just got into a position of power.
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  You know, he was a fraud the entire time.
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  He was just saying he was just saying the right things to get
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  to get elected, Right. And a lot of people were
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  skeptical, Rightly skeptical. You should be skeptical of
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  politicians, right? But, you know, he absolutely
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  slayed. And we're gonna play you a
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  couple of his videos. So this is from January 6th,
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  16th, This is a Forbes article says Malay promotes freedom to
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  transact at World Economic Forum.
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  Right. And if you take a look at his
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  video compared to the other videos.
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  So here is, for example, where is it?
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  I can't find it here. Let me just play the video and
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  then I'm sure there it is. OK, so Malay's video, 160,000
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  views. You know, the Pres.
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  The Prime Minister of Spain 4000 views Anthony Blinken.
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  You know the very the US Treasury Secretary of State
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  20,000 views. Like you know Jake Sullivan,
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  right? Again and not like dude, you had
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  you know someone from the someone from the Ukraine you had
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  John Kerry like and the Javier Malay speech 160,000 views.
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  You know what this of course you have Opti's ex-girlfriend
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  Christine Lagarde. She's on there as well 7000
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  views. Hey Opti, your your ex did
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  pretty well to be honest. So she was.
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  So, so I think this is a testament to people waking up,
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  right? I think this is a testament to
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  people really starting to question whether, you know these
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  so-called elites in Davos have you know the the do they really
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  have the best interest of the people at heart.
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  And I'll play you the the the entire speech is 23 minutes.
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  It is translated to English and you guys could check it out.
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  It's all over Twitter, it's on YouTube.
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  But I'm gonna play you a couple clips that really resonated with
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  me, and here's the first one. I said Malay dropping bombs on
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  Klaus right now. Let's check it out.
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  So I'll play it at 1.25 the speed, and then I'll play you
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  the next clip. Good afternoon.
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  Thank you very much. Today I'm here to tell you that
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  the Western world is in danger and it is endangered because
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  those who are supposed to have to defend the values of the West
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  are Co opted by a vision of the world that inexorably leads to
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  socialism and thereby to poverty.
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  Unfortunately, in recent decades, motivated by some well
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  meaning individuals willing to help others and others motivated
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  by the wish to be long for privileged past, the main
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  leaders of the Western world have abandoned the model of
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  freedom for different versions of what we call collectivism.
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  We're here to tell you that collectivist experiments are
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  never the solution to the problems that afflict the
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  citizens of the world. Rather, they are the root cause.
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  Do believe me? No one better place than us
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  Argentines to testify to these two points.
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  So again, you know guys, you guys know that we are
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  politically neutral on simply Bitcoin.
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  We don't lean left or right. What we lean for is freedom,
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  right? And as bitcoiners, we really
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  believe in individualism, right? We really believe in the agency
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  and the capability of the individual to make their lives
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  better rather than relying on the big nanny state, right?
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  So again, this is in stark contrast to what basically the
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  message from, you know, at all the other speeches in in Davos.
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  But you know it it, it keeps going, it keeps going.
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  Here, this speech is a little bit longer.
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  When I play it at 1.251.25, the speed and again dropping bombs
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  and saying the choir part out loud, you know, I'm just going
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  to read you a quote real quick. It says with tools such as
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  printing money, debt subsidies, controlling the interest rate,
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  price controls, regulations to to correct the so-called market
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  failures, they can control the lives and fates of millions of
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  individuals. This, ladies and gentlemen, is
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  not moving the Overton window. This is shattering the Overton
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  window. Anyways, let's check it out.
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  Another conflict presented by socialists is that of humans
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  against nature, claiming that we human beings damage the planet,
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  which should be protected at all costs, even going as far as
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  advocating for population control mechanisms or the bloody
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  abortion agenda. Unfortunately, these harmful
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  ideas have taken a stronghold in US society.
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  Neo Marxists have managed to Co-op the common sense of the
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  Western world, and this they have achieved by appropriating
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  the media, culture, universities and also international
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  organizations. The latter case is the most
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  serious one, probably because these are institutions that have
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  enormous influence on political and economic decisions of the
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  countries that make up the multilateral organizations.
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  Fortunately, there's more and more of us who are daring to
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  make our voices heard because we see that if we don't truly and
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  decisively fight against these ideas, the only possible fate is
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  for us to have increasing levels of state regulation, socialism,
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  poverty and less freedom, and therefore will be having worse
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  standards of living. The West has unfortunately
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  already started to go along this path.
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  I know to many it may sound ridiculous to suggest that the
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  West has turned to socialism, but it's only ridiculous if you
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  only limit yourself to the traditional economic definition
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  of socialism, which says that it's an economic system where
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  the state owns the means of production.
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  This definition, in my view, should be updated in the light
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  of current circumstances. Today, states don't need to
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  directly control the means of production to control every
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  aspect of the lives of individuals.
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  With tools such as printing money, debt subsidies,
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  controlling the interest rate, price controls and regulations
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  to correct the so-called market failures, they can control the
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  lives and fates of millions of individuals.
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  This is how we come to the point where, by using different names
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  or guises, a good deal of the generally accepted political
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  offers in most Western countries are collectivist variance.
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  Whether they proclaim to be openly Communist Fascist Nazis,
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  Socialists, Social Democrats, national Socialists, Democrat
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  Christians or Christian Democrats, neo Keynesians,
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  progressive populist nationalists or globalists, at
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  bottom there are no major differences.
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  They all say that the state should steer all aspects of the
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  lives of individuals. They all defend a model contrary
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  to that one, which led humanity to the most spectacular progress
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  in its history. So, and again I I love that last
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  part because he is taking the approach that simply Bitcoin
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  takes, which is. This is neutral like it is not
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  like, you know, populist parties, nationalist party,
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  socialist parties, you know, He just names them all.
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  The idea that the state is somehow going to make your life
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  better rather than entrepreneurs and free market capitalism is,
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  you know, is the problem. And if you watch the entire, you
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  know, speech, he gives many, many historical references and
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  examples. But this line really sticks with
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  me, which is with this is what what he said.
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  He says with tools such as printing money, debt subsidies,
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  controlling the interest rate, price controls and regulations
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  to correct the so-called market failures, they can control the
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  lives and fates of millions of individuals.
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  That's really what it's about. If you want to know why
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  Elizabeth Warren is so hell bent on Bitcoin, If you want to know
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  why the current administration dedicated 20 pages in the, you
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  know, the Presidential Economic report that they released on a
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  yearly basis to the necessity of central banking, to why Bitcoin
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  cannot work, why you need a sovereign you need a state for
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  money to work. This is why they they don't want
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  to lose control over money. Because if they lose control
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  over money, fundamentally, they really lose control over people.
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  At the end of the day, this is a theory that was made by the book
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  The sovereign individual people are going to break free.
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  You know, information technologies took holds in the
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  new century, and boy oh boy was that book spot on.
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  And here's a concept that we talk a lot about on simply
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  Bitcoin, which is the concept of the Overton Window.
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  For anyone that doesn't know, the Overton Window is the range
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  of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream
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  population at any given time. It is also known as the window
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  of discourse. So Javier Malik not only shifted
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  this in Argentina, he's shifting this on a worldwide level.
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  And now that you have Donald Trump, who has a good chance at
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  winning the presidency, you know, next year, he is shifting
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  that conversation in terms of central bank, digital currencies
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  being unacceptable. Being radical.
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  Being unthinkable, right. Because of the amount of control
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  that it could potentially give to government.
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  So we'll get to the Donald Trump stuff during the news segment
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  because I think that is is equally as important.
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  But we're making progress to your boys.
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  This is, this is crazy. We are winning.
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  This is what winning looks like. That's why you have Ursula, you
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  know, the head of the European Union basically saying, yeah,
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  the, the biggest problem right now is misinformation.
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  Yeah. Well, if you have people like
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  that basically saying you are the problem, the state is the
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  problem. Inflation is the problem, and
• 22:44
  they don't have the ability to censor because they no longer
• 22:47
  control platforms like X or platforms like Rumble.
• 22:50
  Yeah, if I was in her position, I would totally be saying the
• 22:53
  same thing, right? Anyways, ladies and gentlemen,
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  Solutions. Mason, Dude, I'm sure you you're
• 23:38
  on Twitter my friend. You're seeing these videos.
• 23:40
  What? What?
• 23:41
  What were your initial reactions?
• 23:43
  Do you think we're winning? I think this was a historic
• 23:45
  speech by the president of Argentina.
• 23:48
  No, Yeah, I think, you know, it's it's fantastic to see
• 23:51
  finally a voice that we can kind of all resonate with, you know,
• 23:56
  outside of all the participants and the governmental entities
• 23:59
  that are attending the WEF. You know it's it's a culmination
• 24:02
  of some of the wealthiest people in the world and a lot of the
• 24:06
  wealthiest people in the world are funding you know, different
• 24:08
  type of technologies and and different type of policies that
• 24:12
  are pushing, you know, to controlling our funds and
• 24:15
  controlling, you know what we controlling you know, our
• 24:18
  everyday movement. So it's amazing to see somebody
• 24:21
  take such a stance in the public forum.
• 24:24
  And I would have loved to have some insights in the behind the
• 24:27
  scenes conversations. I would have loved to have seen
• 24:30
  the the opposite view of when Malay was speaking.
• 24:33
  The reaction of a lot of the leaders quote UN quote and their
• 24:38
  faces to that that conversation. But I think Bitcoin is freedom
• 24:42
  and I think that's why we're all here and we're all participating
• 24:45
  in Bitcoin through through different avenues.
• 24:48
  And I think it, you know, gives the power back to the people and
• 24:50
  allows us to, you know, kind of set our own destiny and policies
• 24:53
  and and really, you know, push a new agenda. 100% I I completely
• 24:59
  agree with that. Anyways, Opti, what's your take
• 25:02
  on this brother? I you know, I was talking about
• 25:05
  it yesterday before we even played the the video bro.
• 25:07
  I was so hyped. I was just like dude, this is
• 25:09
  crazy. I can't believe he did this.
• 25:11
  I am literally concerned about his safety.
• 25:14
  Like I'm not gonna be on. And you know what was so based
• 25:16
  about this is that he flew commercial to Davos while all
• 25:20
  those guys were taking private jets and lecturing everyone
• 25:24
  about climate change this, climate change that.
• 25:27
  And, you know, this dude literally took a commercial
• 25:30
  flight. People were like taking selfies
• 25:31
  with him and stuff, you know? So not only is he talking the
• 25:35
  talk, but he's walking the walk so far, right?
• 25:37
  You got to be hesitant about politicians, right?
• 25:39
  Keep that in mind, but yeah, this is this is definitely a
• 25:42
  step in the right direction. Definitely shifting the Overton
• 25:45
  window. The results are there, the most
• 25:48
  popular video by a large margin. I think people are sick and
• 25:52
  tired of hearing the BS right. It's like you're going to
• 25:55
  lecture me on 15 minute cities, You're going to lecture me on
• 25:57
  climate change, but you're flying your G6 all over the
• 26:01
  world. You know?
• 26:02
  Like, come on now, bro. OK, so Opti, what's your take on
• 26:05
  all this, dude? Yeah, I mean, like, I was just
• 26:08
  like everyone else. Of course, when you hear Javier
• 26:12
  Malay come out and say all the stuff that we talk about
• 26:14
  constantly, you're like, yeah, someone finally a politician
• 26:17
  that gets it and is saying what we all know to be true.
• 26:21
  And then of course we heard some rumors and stuff and and Nico,
• 26:23
  we kind of talked about this how the situation in Argentina is
• 26:27
  just way more complicated and what's going on in El Salvador
• 26:30
  with Boucalet. So of course you know there
• 26:33
  there is some concessions that I'm sure Javier Malay has to
• 26:36
  make behind the scenes. But I think especially when he
• 26:40
  go out to the World Economic Forum and you say this stuff to
• 26:42
  this audience like the balls that it took for Javier Malay to
• 26:46
  just stand up there and deliver the speech.
• 26:49
  I I think we have to at least applaud that just that very fact
• 26:53
  in of itself though I I am kind of like I I again IA tinfoil hat
• 27:00
  coming on like I'm wondering how did they not know that they
• 27:04
  shouldn't have let him speak and when they when that happened
• 27:07
  it's like OK like what's going on here how'd they let Javier go
• 27:11
  up there deliver the speech and and Niko I didn't see the full
• 27:14
  speech but you said Klaus Schwab walked off so maybe he.
• 27:18
  Didn't he, like, introduced it there is that?
• 27:21
  Did did you see the parody one of like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:24
  That was a good one. Yeah, he's like, I thank you
• 27:26
  guys for inviting me. Fuck all you guys.
• 27:28
  And then like, he made, like a parody videos.
• 27:30
  Absolutely. But we should play that in the
• 27:32
  meme review on Friday. Dude, that's a great, that's a
• 27:35
  great, mean the power. I mean, that thing went viral.
• 27:37
  But no, he introduced him. And Klaus doesn't introduce
• 27:41
  everybody. Like, you know, so like, see
• 27:43
  that's. Interesting.
• 27:44
  And then they had a handshake and everything.
• 27:46
  But like, I was just like trying to like read Klaus's body
• 27:49
  language. Like, I like he's not that, you
• 27:51
  know, there's no way he's hyped about that.
• 27:53
  You know, Like there's no way 'cause that that goes against,
• 27:57
  you know, that 2030 agenda that they've been propagating for so
• 28:00
  much, the whole great reset, you know, BS and all that stuff.
• 28:04
  So anyways, Optiworks. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:06
  And so like and someone said it good in the chat, like you know,
• 28:10
  their theme was rebuilding trust.
• 28:11
  So I don't know, I again, maybe this is just me being cynical
• 28:15
  and paranoid. Bitcoin or.
• 28:16
  Whatever. But that wasn't their theme.
• 28:18
  That was the theme of. Ursula von.
• 28:21
  Yeah, that was the theme of the people that were crying about
• 28:24
  misinformation. It's like you guys want to
• 28:26
  rebuild trust, Then take a commercial flying, take a
• 28:30
  commercial flight instead of taking your private jet before
• 28:34
  you lecture us on climate change.
• 28:37
  And then tell us about how you know, freedom is the solution
• 28:41
  and capitalism is the solution. And I think that's why Javier's
• 28:44
  video resonated with so many people, and that's why I
• 28:47
  performed the way it did. Yeah, one 100% and and so of
• 28:50
  course like being being the cynical paranoid bitcoiner, I'm
• 28:54
  like all right, like is is there a 5D chess move being played
• 28:58
  here or did this just be one of those moments where the truth
• 29:02
  comes up Because like the fact he's saying like don't trust the
• 29:07
  state, the state is the problem, the state is the parasite.
• 29:09
  And he's all like be an individual be freedom minded you
• 29:13
  know Long live liberty in front of this audience.
• 29:16
  It it just, it's really amazing and incredible that this
• 29:18
  happened this year at the 2024 World Economic Forum because I I
• 29:23
  really do believe that the pendulum is swinging towards the
• 29:26
  other way. And I think, you know most
• 29:28
  people are asleep but I think there is a growing freedom
• 29:31
  movement for lack of better terms and and people I think
• 29:36
  want to trust and believe in people that are talking what we
• 29:40
  believe. But we've been burnt by so many
• 29:42
  politicians that we just, like inherently don't trust them.
• 29:46
  But man, I like if you had concerns about Malay before
• 29:50
  this, the fact that he went out and said it like I don't know.
• 29:53
  That makes me feel a lot better about what's going on in
• 29:55
  Argentina. Of course he's a politician and
• 29:58
  we'll have to judge him off his track record.
• 30:00
  But man, he does sound like a libertarian politician.
• 30:04
  He's saying everything we talk about constantly that suddenly,
• 30:08
  you know, the state lives off of all of our hard work and saying
• 30:13
  this message in front of. The all the.
• 30:15
  Globalist of the world. Like, that's just a powerful.
• 30:19
  Power, I would just say, I would just say like, yeah, that's
• 30:22
  fine. It's like, it's really about
• 30:23
  collectivism versus individualism like that.
• 30:26
  That's really what's going on. It's not left versus right.
• 30:28
  It's not, you know, the traditional Fiat like Fiat
• 30:31
  parties like I like to call it. It's really about individual
• 30:34
  liberty or is the big nanny state really.
• 30:37
  That's really what it's about, you know?
• 30:39
  And you know, of course Bitcoin plays into this because Bitcoin
• 30:42
  is the separation of money in state.
• 30:44
  It takes away the money out of the hands of out of the state
• 30:47
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  So speaking, today's theme of the episode, not only are we
• 33:17
  going to talk about Block, where we're also going to be talking
• 33:19
  about the shifting of the Overton window, which we did a
• 33:22
  little bit during the number segment.
• 33:24
  And I and I think it was a historic moment, big, big
• 33:28
  moment. But I do want to give credit
• 33:31
  where credit is due. It was Vivek that whispered.
• 33:36
  And there's a, you know, when when Vivek bowed out of the the
• 33:41
  Republican presidential primary after the results in Iowa, he
• 33:46
  endorsed Trump and Trump brought him up during the victory
• 33:50
  speech. And there's a there's a moment
• 33:52
  where Vivek and Trump are are hugging and Vivek is like
• 33:55
  whispering some things in Trump's ear.
• 33:58
  I have a feeling one of those things that he said was buy
• 34:01
  Bitcoin or have fun staying poor and then that resulted in Trump
• 34:05
  basically starting with the CBD CS, you know, anyways making a
• 34:09
  joke. But he actually did this.
• 34:10
  They did. They did do that.
• 34:12
  Vivek and Trump were like hugging it out.
• 34:13
  Vivek was saying some things in his ear.
• 34:15
  Obviously Vivek is positioning himself to potentially be a
• 34:19
  future president, right? The fact that he started at zero
• 34:23
  and he ended up with 8% of the votes, I think is a big deal.
• 34:27
  No one knew who he was. He didn't have a name in
• 34:29
  politics, so he's setting himself up for future potential
• 34:34
  presidency. Maybe he can become vice
• 34:36
  president and at that point you would have a pro Bitcoin, pro
• 34:41
  anti CBDC president in the White House.
• 34:44
  So I know a lot of people were saying hey, Trump wasn't perfect
• 34:47
  and I agree because he still hasn't come on and been and had.
• 34:50
  He still hasn't come out and say that he's pro Bitcoin.
• 34:53
  But I definitely believe this is a step in the right direction.
• 34:56
  Baby steps. We're going in the right
• 34:58
  direction. Anyways, here's Vivek.
• 35:01
  He tweeted out President Trump just made a new promise in New
• 35:05
  Hampshire tonight and I have full confidence he will keep it.
• 35:09
  So it goes on to say tonight I am also making another promise
• 35:13
  to protect Americans from government tyranny.
• 35:16
  I'm going to play you guys a video, 'cause I think it's it's
• 35:19
  it's, you know, it's better than just reading you guys.
• 35:21
  The text here is Donald Trump. Let's check out what he has to
• 35:25
  say in regards to CBD CS tonight.
• 35:28
  I'm also making another promise to protect Americans from
• 35:31
  government tyranny. As your president, I will never
• 35:34
  allow the creation of a central bank digital currency.
• 35:37
  You know, I didn't know. You know Soma, I'm very well New
• 35:44
  Hampshire, very smart people, very, very current.
• 35:48
  You know what they're doing. Such a currency would give a
• 35:50
  federal government, our federal government, the absolute control
• 35:54
  over your money. They could take your money.
• 35:56
  You would. You wouldn't even know it was
• 35:57
  gone. This would be a dangerous threat
• 36:00
  to freedom and I will stop it from coming tonight.
• 36:04
  I'm also so absolutely, really, really big deal in terms of
• 36:07
  shifting the Overton window. I tweeted this out yesterday,
• 36:11
  ruffled some feathers, we got some high profile bitcoiners
• 36:14
  that were chiming in. Here is Phil Geiger.
• 36:17
  Phil Geiger as part of Unchained Capital.
• 36:19
  He said what? This isn't an anti Bitcoin anti
• 36:22
  CBD. This is an anti CBD sense.
• 36:24
  I don't think he's ever mentioned anything positive
• 36:26
  about Bitcoin. And I said CBDC's were
• 36:29
  introduced as a response to Bitcoin.
• 36:31
  The two are not compatible, either your side Bitcoin or side
• 36:34
  CBDC. There is no middle ground.
• 36:36
  This is a small baby step in the right direction.
• 36:38
  The reason I said that, and I we actually did an episode
• 36:41
  yesterday where we covered this specific topic.
• 36:43
  This is a paper from thefederalreserve.gov website.
• 36:48
  If you guys want to check out the paper yourself, don't trust
• 36:50
  verify. Check the video description of
• 36:53
  yesterday's episode. But it goes on to say says the
• 36:57
  Federal Reserve Board announced that the Federal Reserve will
• 36:59
  develop a new round the Clock Real Time Payment and settlement
• 37:03
  System called the Fed Now Service to support faster
• 37:06
  payments in the United States. This is a direct response to the
• 37:10
  the threat posed by digital currencies and blockchain,
• 37:13
  right? And later on in the paper it
• 37:16
  mentioned the quiet part out loud, which they finally said.
• 37:19
  But there is a fourth function of of money as a means of social
• 37:23
  control, right? So you know, I I understand what
• 37:27
  Phil is saying. I totally respect him and his
• 37:29
  proof of work. But what I got to say is like,
• 37:32
  man, like like this is baby steps.
• 37:36
  You can't just go from A-Z, right?
• 37:39
  This is definitely a step in the right direction.
• 37:41
  So me and him went back and forth for a while.
• 37:44
  This is my last comment to him. I said because he's mentioning
• 37:47
  that, look, Trump has said negative things about Bitcoin in
• 37:50
  the past. You know, there it is in the in
• 37:53
  the title says Donald Trump calls Bitcoin a scam against the
• 37:56
  dollar. And then also of course Donald
• 37:58
  Trump was selling NFTS. But my response to that was
• 38:02
  Michael Saylor has talked I'll of Bitcoin in the past.
• 38:06
  Most bitcoiners that I know start off shit coining, right?
• 38:09
  So you know, again, like the the fact that you somehow need this
• 38:14
  purity test that 99% of bitcoiners have not passed to
• 38:18
  somehow being able to change your mind, including the Chad
• 38:22
  Saylor who's the representation of Bitcoin right now.
• 38:25
  Really. You know, I I think is a is a
• 38:28
  bit naive, but this is what I said.
• 38:30
  I said of course sailor has spoken.
• 38:32
  I'll of Bitcoin in the past also and many bitcoiners start off as
• 38:35
  shit corners, not making excuses.
• 38:37
  But there will only be two choices in the next election.
• 38:40
  In the presidential primary, 2 Republicans and one Democrat.
• 38:43
  RFK, Vivek and DeSantis took pro Bitcoin anti CBD stances but
• 38:47
  none of them had a chance of winning.
• 38:50
  The fact that a future president is advocating against CBD CS is
• 38:54
  a big deal and tells me we are heading in the right direction
• 38:58
  and I stick by that right. And just to give you guys a
• 39:00
  quick refresher if you guys don't remember RFK Junior, he
• 39:05
  was vowing to back the dollar with Bitcoin.
• 39:07
  Exact exempt Bitcoin from taxes. At Bitcoin 20/22 he made a
• 39:12
  speech advocating that he would protect the right of American
• 39:16
  citizens to take self custody of their Bitcoin.
• 39:19
  You had Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida.
• 39:22
  Not only did he vow to stop Biden's quote UN quote war on
• 39:26
  Bitcoin, but he actually passed a bill in Florida, an anti
• 39:31
  central bank digital currency bill.
• 39:33
  So that's actually in law in Florida right now, right?
• 39:36
  He said that if you were to get elected he would protect Bitcoin
• 39:40
  and be anti CDC. Doesn't look like he has a
• 39:43
  chance of getting elected right now.
• 39:45
  It looks like it's going to be a Biden versus Trump runoff or
• 39:48
  sorry competition. And of course the legendary
• 39:52
  Vivek. Vivek is the one who is
• 39:54
  responsible for Donald Trump saying that right there he Vivek
• 39:59
  has been the most on top of this from day one.
• 40:03
  Here is a quick summary from a coin desk.
• 40:07
  It says Vivek Ramaswamy is likely the biggest supporter of
• 40:10
  crypto amongst the current crop of presidential candidates.
• 40:13
  But his enthusiasm comes not from an inherent love of the
• 40:17
  technology or its principle. Principles themselves, but a
• 40:20
  dissatisfaction with what he calls the administrative state
• 40:24
  that stifled innovation in a number of important industries,
• 40:28
  crypto among them. Doesn't that sound very, very
• 40:31
  familiar? To what what Javier Malay was
• 40:37
  saying, and I'm going to go back to the Overton window, ladies
• 40:41
  and gentlemen, worldwide, the Overton window is shifting.
• 40:44
  The acceptable window of discourse is shifting.
• 40:48
  People like Malay, people like Donald Trump.
• 40:51
  Now people like Vivek Ramaswamy are questioning the very idea of
• 40:56
  the role of the state and peoples lives, the role of
• 41:00
  central banking, the the consequences of printing money.
• 41:04
  And that is making people, people ask the very fundamental
• 41:07
  question. And that fundamental question is
• 41:10
  what is money? If we get enough people asking
• 41:13
  that question, asking the question of why am I being
• 41:16
  forced to use the money that losing loses purchasing power?
• 41:21
  Why my? Why is the state forcing me to,
• 41:25
  you know, use money through legal tender laws that they want
• 41:29
  me to use? Why do I have to pay capital
• 41:32
  gains Just because my money doesn't lose purchasing power,
• 41:36
  it actually increases purchasing power.
• 41:38
  Why do I have to pay capital gains for that?
• 41:41
  And then, you know, I don't think governments have a
• 41:44
  response to the inflation question.
• 41:48
  I don't think governments have a response to why currency is
• 41:52
  being debased. And that's why you have people
• 41:55
  like Ursula going on and saying that the biggest threat to them
• 42:00
  and these institutions and these NGOs and, you know, these large
• 42:04
  government organizations is misinformation.
• 42:07
  Of course, I would say that too. If, you know the racket of
• 42:12
  inflation is being exposed, if that Overton window is shifting,
• 42:16
  if this great awakening continues to accelerate, they
• 42:19
  don't have excuses anymore. Bitcoin is winning.
• 42:23
  This is a it was a historic day. Yesterday Elon is going ham.
• 42:27
  He retweeted the the Javier Malay speech.
• 42:31
  Someone used AI to translate it into English.
• 42:33
  Guys I really recommend watching that whole 23 minute speech
• 42:37
  because it was just bomb after bomb after bomb after bomb and
• 42:41
  now Donald Trump who currently right now in the polls.
• 42:44
  If you if you take a look at the betting odds he is the favorite
• 42:48
  to be the presidential winner of 2024.
• 42:51
  He is now anti CDC which is very very bullish.
• 42:55
  Anyways Opti what's your take on all this?
• 42:57
  And then we move on to Mason. Yeah, well, first and foremost,
• 43:01
  Trump is hilarious. Like I I don't know if he means
• 43:04
  to be this funny, but it's. Like, oh, New Hampshire, you
• 43:07
  guys are so smart. He cracks me up.
• 43:11
  He's hilarious. And then let's.
• 43:12
  That's like taking the politics aside of course, like putting
• 43:16
  your political views aside. He just, he's he cracks me up
• 43:19
  like he's just funny, probably unconsciously or I don't know,
• 43:23
  he just cracks me up. He's he's a good showmanship.
• 43:26
  But anyways, let's get back to the, the point here, the fact
• 43:29
  that he's saying anti CBDC, you know, we've been talking about
• 43:32
  this for a while. Again, I think I say this, I
• 43:35
  don't know almost every single show or every other couple of
• 43:38
  shows that so many people know the problem, but very few people
• 43:41
  are talking about the solution. And you know, I I think kind of
• 43:44
  switching the rhetoric on the head and again referencing
• 43:48
  Walker America on Twitter, he's like it's not enough to be anti
• 43:51
  CBDC, you need to be pro Bitcoin.
• 43:53
  And of course, you know we have the Nico quote like.
• 43:55
  You're against Bitcoin. You're against.
• 43:57
  Freedom, I think it's very interesting that we are at this
• 44:01
  point. You know, Trump historically
• 44:03
  doesn't really like Bitcoin. I think he has very specifically
• 44:07
  said he doesn't like Bitcoin and he would never embrace Bitcoin.
• 44:10
  But the fact that he's talking about not allowing ACBDC happen
• 44:14
  again, I'm, I'm not here to like look for a savior or anything.
• 44:18
  But it is a very dangerous trend that we are going down in
• 44:22
  America that so many politicians are actively pushing a CBDC on
• 44:27
  us as the way to save us moving forward and how it's going to
• 44:31
  benefit humanity. And of course we would say that
• 44:34
  that's doublespeak, that it's actually the complete opposite,
• 44:37
  that it's Bitcoin or slavery as we started to say a long time
• 44:41
  ago. And at first it was hyperbolic,
• 44:43
  but now it seems like it's it's it's fact.
• 44:46
  Like you either end up in a total totalitarian dystopian
• 44:50
  money system which we kind of are already in.
• 44:52
  You know like the we pretty much already have total control.
• 44:55
  Well, not us, but the powers that be already have total
• 44:57
  control of money because money's already digital.
• 45:00
  Or we have Bitcoin which is permission less censorship
• 45:03
  resistant, cannot be the base. And This is why we all love
• 45:07
  Bitcoin and why we are all here and dedicate so much time to
• 45:10
  talking about Bitcoin And like you say all the time, and we
• 45:14
  talk about constantly. The Overton window does seem to
• 45:16
  be shifting because I don't think we've had these
• 45:19
  conversations in the public light for a long time of
• 45:23
  Bitcoins history and now in the past year.
• 45:25
  So it feels like the conversation has been
• 45:28
  accelerating And, you know, say what you want about Trump, but,
• 45:31
  like, he is running on a populist platform and we all
• 45:34
  know Bitcoin is money for the people, by the people.
• 45:36
  So, like, I don't know if he will ever actually embrace
• 45:40
  Bitcoin. But the fact that he is saying
• 45:42
  what we all know to be true, that a CBBC system is dangerous
• 45:46
  for human prosperity, I think it is a good sign of where the
• 45:50
  trend is going. And again, guys, we say it all
• 45:53
  the time, it's not left versus right, it is green versus
• 45:56
  orange. And if you're against Bitcoin,
• 45:58
  you're against freedom, guys. So the game theory is heating up
• 46:02
  and you love to see it. And and I'm reminded of when
• 46:04
  Nolan came on the show, Nico and he was talking about the Bitcoin
• 46:07
  conference and how it's going to be directly in between, what is
• 46:12
  it, the Republican nomination and the Democratic nomination.
• 46:16
  And I, it's just such a good, I don't know, window to look
• 46:21
  through, such a good point of view to look through that.
• 46:23
  Like, OK, this this party is saying that they're going to
• 46:26
  give you freedom. This party is telling you that
• 46:28
  they're going to give you freedom.
• 46:29
  But there's only one thing that's actually going to give
• 46:31
  you freedom, and that is opting into the Bitcoin network and
• 46:35
  saving in something completely separate from the great
• 46:38
  leviathan that we all find ourselves in.
• 46:40
  So again, I know some people are probably not happy about not
• 46:44
  liking Trump and him going anti CBDC's and concerned whether
• 46:48
  he's actually going to go full pro Bitcoin.
• 46:51
  But it is I think a zeitgeist moment where you can see that
• 46:56
  there is a defining conversation happening right now.
• 46:59
  And if you don't see what's actually going on, then yeah,
• 47:03
  maybe you can get hoodwinked and psyopt into believing that the
• 47:07
  CBDC system would benefit you. Obviously, we do our best to try
• 47:11
  to bring the receipts and show you that, no, there's only one
• 47:14
  way forward here to further push the prosperity of humanity, and
• 47:18
  it's on a Bitcoin system where the individual cannot be robbed
• 47:23
  by the powers that be, and they can't inflate away your
• 47:25
  purchasing power and they can't control you.
• 47:27
  Personally, that's the system I want to be a part of.
• 47:29
  Personally, That's why I have committed as much of my time to
• 47:33
  talk about Bitcoin and why I think Bitcoin is the future of
• 47:37
  humanity. It's it's so clear.
• 47:39
  I think once you do just some rudimentary deep dives into
• 47:42
  Bitcoin. But hey, you know, these people,
• 47:45
  they, they are politicians after all.
• 47:47
  So of course they're kind of just saying what the population
• 47:51
  is thinking and they want to get voted.
• 47:53
  In they want to get votes. They want to get votes, right?
• 47:55
  But at the. Same time funding them, you
• 47:57
  know, Yeah. Exactly, exactly.
• 48:00
  They're saying what they are told to say.
• 48:02
  Exactly. So before we pass it on to
• 48:04
  Mason, I do want to give a shout out to all our live viewers.
• 48:07
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• 48:32
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• 48:34
  us sats. Anyways, I do want to pass it on
• 48:37
  to Mason Mason, what are your thoughts on this?
• 48:39
  Man, this is this is a historic moment.
• 48:41
  This isn't the shift of the Overton window.
• 48:43
  This is the shattering of the Overton window.
• 48:46
  No, yeah, I agree. I mean interesting enough Trump
• 48:49
  did sell his Etherium holdings I believe right before the start
• 48:53
  of the year. So he has had interest in
• 48:55
  cryptocurrency in the past and you know most of it was peddling
• 48:59
  his his NFTS. But I, you know, I do think he's
• 49:02
  somebody and and I agree with OCTI, you know, he's he's
• 49:05
  actually just a character. He's he's a very interesting
• 49:09
  man. And I I think he could be
• 49:10
  somebody that could could shift towards being pro Bitcoin.
• 49:13
  And I'm sure you saw this on Twitter but there's a lot of
• 49:16
  rumor mill around you know, who's going to be his vice
• 49:19
  president and it could be the vet and that would be a great,
• 49:22
  you know, positioning for you know, a future you know,
• 49:24
  Bitcoiner pro, Bitcoiner president.
• 49:28
  You know, there's rumors that that it could be Tucker Carlson
• 49:30
  That'd be hilarious as well. You know, I'm also a big fan of
• 49:32
  his freedom of speech agenda. But in general, I think to that
• 49:37
  back to the the point about politicians.
• 49:39
  I think politicians, you know they're they're funded by banks
• 49:42
  and they're funded by a lot of the people that are, you know,
• 49:45
  pro WEF, which is you know, pushing a CDC narrative.
• 49:49
  So it's kind of it's really tough with the corruption that
• 49:51
  exists out there and it's really tough to trust some of the
• 49:55
  agendas out there and to trust some of the politicians because
• 49:59
  you know who's paying them. Right.
• 50:01
  And you you see all these corrupt politicians going under
• 50:04
  with their different, you know, funding schemes and it's you
• 50:07
  know, it's I feel like there's a new story about that every
• 50:10
  single month. So it it'd be great to have some
• 50:12
  purity and then and someone like Malay coming in just seems so
• 50:15
  pure. I'd love to see that in the
• 50:17
  United States. I think we're in an election
• 50:20
  year, we're in the halving year, We just got our Bitcoin ETF
• 50:23
  which we waited our whole lives for.
• 50:25
  So I think it's going to be a wild year.
• 50:27
  I'm really, really interested to see what what shakes out and I'm
• 50:30
  really looking forward to some some pro Bitcoin policy that
• 50:34
  comes in place. 100% it. It's going to be a wild year.
• 50:37
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• 50:41
  So it's really important that you get out there and you take
• 50:44
  that Bitcoin into self custody. That's the most important vote
• 50:47
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• 52:50
  Let's go, guys. All right, so super hype for
• 52:52
  this and and everyone in the chats, like I thought, we're
• 52:54
  talking about Bitcoin mining today.
• 52:56
  Yes, guys, we are. We're talking about Bitcoin
• 52:58
  mining. All right.
• 52:59
  So, Mason, let's do, I guess, another little TRDR of what
• 53:03
  blockware solutions is, 'cause we got new people hanging out
• 53:06
  with us since the beginning of the show.
• 53:08
  And then we'll go into some of the features that you guys want
• 53:10
  to highlight. Yeah.
• 53:12
  I mean think of us like a white glove service for an opportunity
• 53:16
  to enter into Bitcoin mining. So we're one of the few
• 53:19
  companies out there that's completely vertically
• 53:21
  integrated. So we control our data centers,
• 53:24
  we control the buy and sell of the miners.
• 53:27
  We invented software around the pieces as well that provides
• 53:30
  liquidity for miners and your hosting contracts which I think
• 53:33
  really sets us apart from from others out there and and and our
• 53:38
  goal is to make it possible for anyone out there to be able to
• 53:42
  buying Bitcoin and do so profitably and have liquidity on
• 53:45
  that. So historically, you know we've
• 53:47
  placed hundreds of megawatts, a lot of the public companies are
• 53:50
  our clients and and we've you know scaled from zero to 100 and
• 53:54
  what it feels like real quick. Love it.
• 53:58
  Love it. OK, Let's talk about what you
• 54:00
  were telling us before the show about your marketplace.
• 54:03
  And then you were making the huge distinction that this isn't
• 54:07
  cloud mining and and it's what you call it a hash rate
• 54:10
  exchange. Yeah.
• 54:12
  So this, so this product you know came to fruition in 2021
• 54:17
  when I was thinking about you know a lot of the problems that
• 54:19
  exist in mining. So you know I'll tell you a
• 54:21
  story and then I'll tell you about the marketplace.
• 54:23
  So I I think a great time to enter mining is, is right around
• 54:27
  the halving, right. You're you're entering a fresh
• 54:29
  cycle, the subsidy resets. So you know buying right around
• 54:34
  the halving gives you a really clear four year window of of
• 54:38
  kind of having a somewhat of a prediction of you know how much
• 54:40
  Bitcoin you can mine daily before you know it changes for
• 54:43
  the next cycle. So if you look at, if you look
• 54:45
  at a story, if you bought an S 19 Pro 110 T which was the most
• 54:50
  common minor in the world for a while on in in 2020, it was
• 54:54
  released for at a price of about $16.00 per Tera hash.
• 55:00
  Now if you all remember the run up that took place in August
• 55:04
  through November of 2021 when Bitcoin, you know popped miners
• 55:09
  also pop, right? They're they're perfectly
• 55:10
  positively correlated to the price of Bitcoin.
• 55:13
  So that same miner you could have plugged in, you could have
• 55:15
  mined profitably for a year and a year and a half, actually
• 55:18
  started trading for $100 per Tera hash.
• 55:21
  So if you played the perfect play, you could have, you know,
• 55:23
  hit a 6-7 X in your investment. And I'm not going to sit here
• 55:26
  and show you a six to seven X investment.
• 55:30
  What I wanted to design was a product that allowed you an
• 55:32
  opportunity to be able to have liquidity on your miners.
• 55:36
  So in order to do that, I I had to solve 2 problems.
• 55:39
  One, I needed to create a fluid marketplace where you could buy
• 55:42
  a machine and and make it super easy.
• 55:45
  I mean and my only design you know focus was this has to be
• 55:49
  built on Bitcoin because outside of you know our our role then
• 55:52
  outside of everything, you know Bitcoin, it is a perfect system.
• 55:55
  It's a Ledger, it tracks everything.
• 55:57
  So I you can see when you buy a Bitcoin miner in our marketplace
• 56:01
  the transactions minted on chain and we're creating a transaction
• 56:04
  that then that the design mined by miners.
• 56:07
  The second complex part was well in order to run a Bitcoin miner
• 56:11
  you have to have energy tied to that.
• 56:14
  So then you know most people you know you you can mine at your
• 56:17
  house and it's and it's it's OK to do that.
• 56:19
  Your energy cost is probably going to be higher.
• 56:21
  Some people have unique circumstances that's fine.
• 56:23
  But most people have hosting contracts and typically the
• 56:26
  minimum you know time length of a hosting contract is one year
• 56:30
  and a lot of people sign hosting contracts up to five years.
• 56:32
  So I had to create a system that packaged a machine and it's to
• 56:37
  centralized, you know, the seller sets the price and with
• 56:40
  the hosting contract So what the marketplace does, you can list
• 56:43
  your machine for sale, it's alive and hashing.
• 56:46
  If you'd actually click on one of those right now, it'll it'll
• 56:47
  show you like the live stats, it'll show you where it's it's
• 56:50
  hosted, it'll show you the energy rate and then you can
• 56:54
  click purchase and you're actually buying the machine from
• 56:57
  somebody else. And with that the attached
• 56:59
  hosting contract you're paying Bitcoin.
• 57:02
  And as soon as the transactions process, it'll have to be show
• 57:04
  up in your dashboard. There you go.
• 57:07
  So I don't know why it's running this on your side.
• 57:09
  I don't have any issues in mind. It could be a cash issue, but so
• 57:13
  it'll show you the live stats, you have transparency, you can
• 57:15
  see the rewards, you can see historicals.
• 57:17
  It'll give you a true lens into the minor itself.
• 57:20
  And then once you click buy, the seller is then immediately paid
• 57:23
  in Bitcoin, they're refunded the hosting, deposits and hosting
• 57:26
  fees that they have, and then the asset shows up in your tab.
• 57:30
  So it's all on Bitcoin and Lightning.
• 57:34
  It it it's the first solution that I know that gives you true
• 57:37
  liquidity on mining. So you know if you got if you
• 57:40
  need to exit your positions or if you want to enter a position,
• 57:44
  you could do so instantly. So I think it solved a lot of
• 57:47
  the problems that I saw in the sector and then we went live in
• 57:50
  April and we've done over 1000 transactions.
• 57:53
  We've got over 5000 users. We haven't paid any money
• 57:57
  towards the marketing. That's certainly on the agenda
• 57:58
  this year. So I'm just really excited the
• 58:00
  product works that we built on Bitcoin and now we're out there,
• 58:04
  you know, partnering with sites and getting this in the hands
• 58:06
  of, you know, other data centers outside of our own facility.
• 58:11
  Very cool, man. That that's absolutely
• 58:13
  incredible. I love the the innovation in the
• 58:16
  very, very beginning part of the show about a new, a new a $2.00
• 58:21
  cost average. I'm assuming this has to do with
• 58:23
  it a little bit. So can you explain what you
• 58:25
  meant by that? So listen like we could debate
• 58:30
  on this forever. I I'm a I'm a certainly
• 58:32
  proponent that dollar cost averaging is a great investment
• 58:35
  strategy and if you're dollar cost averaging into Bitcoin
• 58:38
  you're buying that daily, I'm all for that.
• 58:41
  But I do think there is some upside with mining because
• 58:44
  essentially what you're doing is you're arbitraging energy.
• 58:47
  So all that comes down to is your energy costs and a lot of
• 58:49
  people get intimidated in this space because you see someone
• 58:53
  like Cleanspark who buys 200,000 S, 20 ones and and sets target
• 58:59
  hash rates of 60. You know XA hash, you know it's
• 59:03
  it's crazy. But that doesn't mean that it
• 59:05
  doesn't. It doesn't mean that you can't
• 59:07
  mine and it doesn't mean that not you know everyone can't
• 59:09
  participate. So if you're mining actually
• 59:12
  what you're doing is on a daily basis you know if using like a
• 59:14
  PPS pool you're taking your profit is the amount of Bitcoin
• 59:19
  that you're mining daily based on your hash rate computational
• 59:22
  input or output and and then subtracted from that your energy
• 59:26
  costs and a lot of you know the better miners out there the
• 59:29
  break even Bitcoin price is you know in the 2530 K range.
• 59:34
  So you're you're profiting you know a decent amount and and
• 59:37
  minting Bitcoin daily and therefore you know with the
• 59:41
  right timing and the right play and the right partner mining
• 59:44
  should beat out just a pure dollar cost average of of of
• 59:49
  Bitcoin buying play. Interesting.
• 59:51
  Yeah. So I am good friends with.
• 59:54
  I'm good friends with with Ben Gagnon, the Chief Mining Officer
• 1:00:00
  over A. Bit Oh yeah, I went, he went to
• 1:00:01
  college, We both went to Indiana University.
• 1:00:04
  Oh yeah, it's a weird world. So did Kevin Zhang from Foundry.
• 1:00:07
  Like I don't know why, but a lot of these people from IU.
• 1:00:09
  Ended up playing Indiana University, bro.
• 1:00:11
  That's like the University of Minors.
• 1:00:14
  It's. Crazy.
• 1:00:15
  But yeah, Ben and I are good friends.
• 1:00:18
  And you know and I remember we were we were just having a
• 1:00:21
  conversation I think we were in Puerto Rico at the time and and
• 1:00:25
  the way that he described he's like Nico like you have to look
• 1:00:28
  at mining like a leverage long right.
• 1:00:30
  So you know in the I love the way that you cuz it look the the
• 1:00:35
  best place. And I don't know if you know
• 1:00:37
  this about me, Mason, but I actually started in the industry
• 1:00:41
  mining and then I transitioned to media like around 2020.
• 1:00:44
  But between 2016 and 2020 like I was, I was mining, I was
• 1:00:49
  offering hosting services and whatnot.
• 1:00:51
  I started in Venezuela and then I kind of migrated out when I
• 1:00:54
  really, really started to you got to do what you love, right.
• 1:00:57
  And I realized that I love making media, I love making
• 1:00:59
  content. And one of the things that Ben
• 1:01:03
  told me was he's like, Nico, this is a leverage long.
• 1:01:06
  So if you start during the bear market, right, you know, when,
• 1:01:10
  when the prices of machines are crashing, when it's not
• 1:01:13
  necessarily profitable, you're setting yourself up for massive
• 1:01:17
  success during the bull market because at the bull market,
• 1:01:20
  that's when the machines are overpriced.
• 1:01:22
  That's when you know you might be buying those ASICS at the
• 1:01:25
  wrong time, right. So I I love how you phrase that,
• 1:01:28
  which is like, you know, you want to get in, you know, either
• 1:01:31
  right before the halving or during the bear when the Max
• 1:01:34
  Payne is set in, so that you can set yourself up for success
• 1:01:38
  heading into the bull market. When those machines are going to
• 1:01:40
  be, you know everyone's going to want them, everyone's going to
• 1:01:43
  want to sight, everyone's going to want to a place to mine, and
• 1:01:46
  then there just isn't any space. No, you're exactly right.
• 1:01:49
  I mean and then you know the third piece is great.
• 1:01:51
  So let's say you're mining and you're dollar cost averaging.
• 1:01:54
  Well you need to have liquidity and you really need to have
• 1:01:57
  liquidity on two things if you want to exit your trade.
• 1:01:59
  One is the miner itself, right, being able to resell that to
• 1:02:02
  somebody else, but you're not have to derack that and process
• 1:02:05
  it. And miners are super sensitive.
• 1:02:07
  You know they're they're damaged by vibration.
• 1:02:10
  So delivers to, you know, your counter party party and it
• 1:02:13
  doesn't work. You know, then you get all these
• 1:02:15
  arguments, you know who's liable, you have shipping
• 1:02:17
  insurance, you know, just creates.
• 1:02:19
  So if you can keep it in the same place in yourself as
• 1:02:21
  somebody else, you know that's fantastic.
• 1:02:23
  But someone has to take on that risk, right.
• 1:02:24
  And the markets aren't always perfect and fluid.
• 1:02:27
  The cool part is it's our marketplace is centralized, the
• 1:02:30
  seller sets the price. We take a fee just like in
• 1:02:32
  exchange for for processing transaction and then we we
• 1:02:35
  handle the magic and create the system that points it you know
• 1:02:37
  from from Mason to Niko if Niko buys Mason's minor right.
• 1:02:41
  The second thing is the hosting contract.
• 1:02:43
  So when you sign a hosting contract let's say a four year
• 1:02:46
  contract with a typical hosting facility, you are agreeing to
• 1:02:50
  pay your power bills for that minor for a four year timeline.
• 1:02:54
  So I needed to create a way that created a transference of that
• 1:02:58
  hosting contract. And you know I've worked with a
• 1:03:01
  lot of hosting facilities and parties and counterparties.
• 1:03:04
  I'm sure you have Nico. And that part of the reason why
• 1:03:07
  I went out and built my own data centers was because of some
• 1:03:09
  prior experiences. I was like there has to be a
• 1:03:11
  better way to do this and there has to be better processes.
• 1:03:14
  But I needed to create liquidity for the minor and the hosting
• 1:03:18
  contract. So you the two needed to be
• 1:03:20
  packed together and that's what you know we created.
• 1:03:22
  So I think the marketplace you know gives a minor actual
• 1:03:26
  liquidity. So let's say the one year, let's
• 1:03:28
  say we take a one year timeline, let's say it's supposed to
• 1:03:31
  happen, right? And you're mining every day and
• 1:03:33
  let's say Bitcoin remains stagnant.
• 1:03:35
  So you you you profit in that timeline and let's you could
• 1:03:38
  sell that miner for the same price you bought it for.
• 1:03:41
  Well it became it became a winning trade for you because
• 1:03:43
  you pocketed all the the profits that you DCA did on mining and
• 1:03:46
  then you exited that and the next person that buys you know
• 1:03:49
  they're placing a bet and maybe they're bullish on Bitcoin and
• 1:03:52
  they think or or transaction fees and they think the value of
• 1:03:55
  the miner can go up or they want to place the bet in next year
• 1:03:57
  cycle. You know we're just creating a a
• 1:03:59
  decentralized marketplace in the end we're not, we're not out
• 1:04:03
  here telling you that you're going to six extra investment.
• 1:04:05
  We're just creating a way for you to participate into mining
• 1:04:08
  and have liquidity on your on your investment.
• 1:04:11
  So that's that's what's really important.
• 1:04:13
  And then I haven't seen another product out there that does
• 1:04:17
  this, not here showing my product.
• 1:04:18
  I just created what I thought, you know, probably provided you
• 1:04:22
  know, a fairway and a way for, you know all of us to be able to
• 1:04:25
  participate and in the end have liquidity on on a platform.
• 1:04:29
  Yeah. And and you know entrepreneurs,
• 1:04:31
  that's what they do, right? They see it and what tends to
• 1:04:33
  happen is, you know some of the best businesses is you run into
• 1:04:37
  the problem yourself and then you're like and you look for
• 1:04:40
  solutions, right? You look for whatever and then
• 1:04:42
  you realize it doesn't exist and you're like I'm going to build
• 1:04:45
  this right. And you know those tend to be
• 1:04:48
  some of the best business ideas just because it didn't, it just
• 1:04:51
  didn't exist and you actually wanted that yourself.
• 1:04:54
  So that's really, really cool. And I I, you know, I love the
• 1:04:59
  fact that you know the the the quiddity aspects people don't
• 1:05:03
  realize how difficult it is to to to let's say you have 203040,
• 1:05:10
  right. You know in my era I was the I
• 1:05:12
  was in the era of the S9 right. Because this is back in the day,
• 1:05:15
  right? The.
• 1:05:16
  Gold standard. And you know, you're you're
• 1:05:21
  boxing those things up, you're shipping them.
• 1:05:24
  Some people are saying, I never got it, I got it broken.
• 1:05:27
  Then it's like, send it back to me.
• 1:05:28
  And you check the serial numbers, you're like, no, no,
• 1:05:30
  no, no, no, no, I know. All the hash boards are missing
• 1:05:32
  and you know you sent them with hash boards or what was going.
• 1:05:35
  On it's just a disaster and then you know then the bit the the
• 1:05:39
  bit main software that was already pre installed.
• 1:05:42
  You know that the moment that you plugged that thing and it
• 1:05:44
  started hashing for those like 10 seconds before you change it
• 1:05:47
  it. Goes to them it.
• 1:05:49
  Goes to them and then you're like that's not a big deal Nico.
• 1:05:52
  It's like could you imagine that like on a worldwide scale
• 1:05:55
  100,000 miners those 10 seconds of of like that free hash like
• 1:06:00
  that's a lot of money that adds up.
• 1:06:03
  So yeah it's it's not as you know it's not as mining isn't
• 1:06:08
  easy definitely have a as a steep learning curve.
• 1:06:13
  But it seems like you guys have built an amazing product that
• 1:06:17
  makes it just a little bit easier for the user to have a
• 1:06:21
  good experience. And I do believe, I I do agree.
• 1:06:24
  I do agree with with your statement, yeah, you could be
• 1:06:28
  stacking more SAT's than just regular DCA ING just to use
• 1:06:33
  Ben's word. It is, it is a bit of a leverage
• 1:06:36
  long right. So if you are buying those
• 1:06:38
  miners at the right time, I think that's the key ladies and
• 1:06:41
  gentlemen. And you know, right before the
• 1:06:43
  halving and the bear market, those are the right times you
• 1:06:46
  do. And my personal experience of
• 1:06:48
  pain and suffering, you do not want to be buying minors, you
• 1:06:52
  know, once the bull market commences.
• 1:06:55
  But yeah, you could end up with more sats than just regular DCA.
• 1:06:58
  And I completely agree with that statement.
• 1:07:01
  Opti, you have any more questions?
• 1:07:02
  Yeah, I I have actually a bunch but we might be running out of
• 1:07:05
  time. So Mason, I I I think Nico kind
• 1:07:10
  of touched on it. So I'm, I'm going to skip that
• 1:07:11
  question over you know like elevator pitch if people should
• 1:07:15
  get into Bitcoin mining versus just buying spot Bitcoin
• 1:07:18
  directly. But on that point, what is your
• 1:07:21
  like general thoughts on the the economic landscape of mining
• 1:07:26
  moving forward after this next halving?
• 1:07:29
  So I, you know it's actually a really interesting time right
• 1:07:32
  now too. You know a hot topic that is
• 1:07:35
  being covered is like the the variance in in EXA hash, the
• 1:07:38
  total network hash rate, you know all the winter storms mines
• 1:07:41
  are turning off and selling back to the grid.
• 1:07:43
  We did that in Kentucky. So you saw like swings of 700X
• 1:07:47
  hash down to 400 X hash. So that's super cool and it's
• 1:07:50
  fulfilling the prophecy of of minor stabilizing the grid and
• 1:07:54
  that totally is off topic not even answering your question.
• 1:07:56
  Looking at mining economics, you know I think that I think we're
• 1:08:01
  going to see a continual rise of transaction fees and that was
• 1:08:05
  driving a lot of you know the profitability that we saw in
• 1:08:08
  Q3Q4 early Q1. You know say what you want about
• 1:08:12
  ordinals, they are driving transactions and I think the
• 1:08:15
  adoption of ordinals will continue to grow.
• 1:08:18
  Personally, I think a lot of performance of mining it's going
• 1:08:23
  to be related you know from an ROI standpoint is going to be
• 1:08:26
  related to the price of Bitcoin with the ETF approval.
• 1:08:31
  It's the news we've waited for forever.
• 1:08:34
  I I am bullish especially for this next cycle entering of just
• 1:08:39
  you know general net inflow of capital coming into Bitcoin
• 1:08:43
  driving the price up creating a really good landscape for
• 1:08:46
  miners. I think you know if you if you
• 1:08:48
  look into the future and look at the year of 2036 you know 99% of
• 1:08:53
  bitcoin's going to be mine. So if I wanted you know to have
• 1:08:56
  a chance and and really you know have a chance to mine a decent
• 1:09:00
  amount of Bitcoin when I'm buying 510 a hundred 1000 miners
• 1:09:03
  you know I'm deploying as much as possible right now.
• 1:09:06
  I think the landscape and the conditions are are very stable
• 1:09:11
  and and in the end also you know something that we we need to
• 1:09:13
  counter against is the centralization of mining right.
• 1:09:19
  It's great to have other participants out there not these
• 1:09:22
  public companies who have access to debt insane amounts of debts
• 1:09:25
  in public markets and and buying up all the hash rate in market
• 1:09:29
  share we need we need more decentralization of Bitcoin.
• 1:09:33
  So I'm I'm really you know, focused about making this
• 1:09:38
  achievable for for the everyday individual.
• 1:09:41
  You could ask me a million questions about the halving.
• 1:09:43
  We put out a lot of research about it.
• 1:09:45
  I think you're going to probably see hash rate double this year.
• 1:09:50
  I'm just specking out, you know the public order flow, you're
• 1:09:52
  probably going to see a decrease of about 20 to 30% of hash rate
• 1:09:57
  right around the halving and that's inefficient minors coming
• 1:10:00
  offline, that's your older gens, you know even lower end S
• 1:10:03
  nineteens and anything below that like S seventeens.
• 1:10:07
  So yeah, there's our having analysis.
• 1:10:11
  You can go and read our report online.
• 1:10:14
  Absolutely. And and one of the one of the
• 1:10:15
  things I'm I'm sure because I this has been coming, this has
• 1:10:18
  become extremely popular for for some bitcoiners has been the
• 1:10:23
  absolute, you know, blowout performance from some of these
• 1:10:27
  public miners, you know on on on the NASDAQ and all this.
• 1:10:32
  So you know, you have like 600% returns, 500 percent is
• 1:10:37
  absolutely crazy. Reminds me of that whole
• 1:10:39
  leverage long thing. Do you see these stocks
• 1:10:44
  plummeting after the halving? Like what's your take on this?
• 1:10:47
  Is there going to be like kind of like a regrouping phase?
• 1:10:51
  How you guys positioned for the halving?
• 1:10:53
  Are you guys prepared? So what's your take?
• 1:10:57
  So yeah, I mean, last year was an absolutely insane year for
• 1:11:01
  public minor performance. I think a lot of the inflows
• 1:11:04
  that came into the public minor markets where people wanting
• 1:11:07
  exposure to Bitcoin and you know a large portion of funds that
• 1:11:12
  exists out there in the world weren't able to have Bitcoin on
• 1:11:16
  their balance sheet. And listen I don't make the
• 1:11:18
  rules and I'm certainly against that but suddenly now we have an
• 1:11:21
  ETF come. So we actually did see you know
• 1:11:24
  you saw actually a sell off from Bitcoin miner stock price and
• 1:11:29
  you saw an inflow of Bitcoin ETF and you know if you map out the
• 1:11:32
  funds, you know a lot of people sold off some of their positions
• 1:11:35
  and and granted you also had the end of the year where people
• 1:11:38
  take gains. So naturally there's always,
• 1:11:40
  there's usually stocks that lost then from a macro perspective.
• 1:11:45
  But I do think miners, you know, I think we're going to see a lot
• 1:11:47
  of consolidation and it's almost like a space race, right.
• 1:11:50
  It's like everyone's trying to race to the moon and and deploy
• 1:11:55
  as much hash rate as possible. And you're seeing like the
• 1:11:58
  craziest orders of all time being placed by public miners.
• 1:12:01
  And they're they're betting, they're going all and they're
• 1:12:04
  betting super large and I think they're going to be outperformed
• 1:12:07
  and be rewarded. Now something that you really
• 1:12:10
  need to think about and that, you know took me a long time to
• 1:12:13
  think about this because I'm always asked, you know, we deal
• 1:12:15
  with institutions, you know, multi billion dollar funds, we
• 1:12:18
  deal with retail, you know, five people.
• 1:12:19
  I'm always asked you know what's my ROI going to be.
• 1:12:22
  Well, it all depends on your strategy.
• 1:12:25
  If you are selling off Bitcoin to pay your energy costs, then
• 1:12:29
  you are not going to have as much Bitcoin exposure as
• 1:12:32
  somebody who's paying for that with external cash and
• 1:12:35
  accumulating all their Bitcoin. So if Bitcoin double S in price,
• 1:12:39
  then the Bitcoin that you mine, you know, let's say in a year,
• 1:12:41
  the Bitcoin that you mine now is also worth double its price.
• 1:12:44
  And I'm talking in Fiat terms, right?
• 1:12:46
  I get that there's, you know, a Bitcoin standard and I'm a
• 1:12:49
  believer in that. So I I think it's important you
• 1:12:51
  know when you mine to to accumulate as much Bitcoin as
• 1:12:55
  possible and and when you're thinking about how many miners
• 1:12:58
  to purchase to to you know keeping enough cash flow you can
• 1:13:03
  cover your energy bills out of pocket.
• 1:13:04
  Now back to the public mining question.
• 1:13:06
  You'll see that a different strategy across different public
• 1:13:09
  miners like IRIS for example sells off their Bitcoin every
• 1:13:13
  single day. They don't, they don't hold a
• 1:13:14
  treasury HUDA, you know notably and now I know that they just
• 1:13:17
  merged, you know always was an accumulator and and huddler of
• 1:13:21
  positioning. So while they are, you know, can
• 1:13:24
  be growing in hash rate and while they can be, you know,
• 1:13:26
  outperforming and generating more U.S. dollar Fiat revenue.
• 1:13:30
  I think you know, I would be betting on those who who are
• 1:13:34
  operationally, you know, outperforming and scaling and
• 1:13:37
  those who have a strategy of accumulating as much Bitcoin as
• 1:13:40
  possible. Because I'm in the position of
• 1:13:42
  you know, Bitcoin is going to outperform other asset classes.
• 1:13:46
  And I really want exposure to that.
• 1:13:48
  And and if I'm going to get true exposure, it's going to be with
• 1:13:52
  a company that you know has a position of accumulation.
• 1:13:56
  Love it. No 111 more.
• 1:13:58
  Last question before we roll this out.
• 1:14:00
  Go go, Nico. No, it it, I was just gonna just
• 1:14:03
  say a statement, but yeah, it's it's it's so interesting how all
• 1:14:06
  this is playing out. All these different market
• 1:14:09
  forces, the ETF, these public miners, really good friends with
• 1:14:13
  Bob Burnett. It gave this great speech about
• 1:14:16
  the, I'm sure you're familiar with it, The rabbits, the
• 1:14:20
  horses, the wild horses, the captured elephants.
• 1:14:23
  So it's just so many different approaches.
• 1:14:25
  You know, our boy huddle tarantula, you know, mining on
• 1:14:28
  the sovereign land, like he likes to say it, So, so many
• 1:14:31
  different approaches. Very, very exciting.
• 1:14:33
  I think this is the infancy of mining.
• 1:14:35
  Still, I know that's a really big statement just because of
• 1:14:40
  the amount of energy there is throughout the world that is
• 1:14:43
  stranded. Otherwise it would have no value
• 1:14:46
  and then all of a sudden Bitcoin comes around.
• 1:14:48
  It's like, hey, you know that that potential hydro dam in the
• 1:14:52
  middle of nowhere completely isolated, thousands of miles
• 1:14:55
  away from cities that could be a massive Bitcoin mine, right?
• 1:15:00
  So I think that hasn't fully and then you know these these cities
• 1:15:04
  in the middle of nowhere that potentially have a lot of energy
• 1:15:08
  that are otherwise isolated all of a sudden like the gold mining
• 1:15:12
  rush, right. All of a sudden you know you
• 1:15:14
  have they, they have opportunity, they have the
• 1:15:16
  ability to, to make revenue just because they have this stranded
• 1:15:21
  energy source, right. So it's really, really exciting.
• 1:15:24
  I can't wait to see how all of this develops.
• 1:15:28
  Opti, what was your final question before we wrap it up?
• 1:15:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  The last one, it would just be Mason's general take on whether
• 1:15:36
  he's concerned on the regulation of mining in America.
• 1:15:42
  Great question. So I think, I think from a
• 1:15:45
  regulatory standpoint, it's going to come down to state by
• 1:15:48
  state. I'm a huge proponent of the
• 1:15:51
  state of Kentucky. It's where I lobbied and it's
• 1:15:54
  the only state with a house in Senate bill passed that actually
• 1:15:57
  incentivizes minors. You see a lot of, you know, pro
• 1:16:00
  Bitcoin mining in Texas and Georgia, and you usually see a
• 1:16:04
  lot a large concentration of minors where there's a low cost
• 1:16:08
  of energy and good state politics.
• 1:16:11
  There's other states, you know, like the state of Washington
• 1:16:14
  historically, Plattsburgh, NY you know, that put more, more
• 1:16:18
  moratoriums out that, you know, push minors out and put these
• 1:16:21
  ridiculous tariffs and taxes on minors deploying.
• 1:16:24
  I think you're just going to see a state by state position on
• 1:16:29
  Bitcoin mining. I think at the governmental
• 1:16:32
  level, I don't think they're, you know, Biden pushed some wild
• 1:16:35
  bill that got tossed out pretty fast.
• 1:16:37
  I don't think we're going to see like a federal policy against
• 1:16:40
  Bitcoin miners. I think you'll see States and
• 1:16:43
  most states will adopt. I don't, I don't think there's
• 1:16:46
  there's not too many anti Bitcoin mining states because it
• 1:16:49
  does stabilize their grids and you're seeing that why, you
• 1:16:52
  know, advertised nationally right now with the winter storms
• 1:16:54
  that are taking place, it brings in tax dollars and revenues and
• 1:16:59
  you know it actually also drives developing a grid because it's a
• 1:17:02
  used case to to utilize that energy.
• 1:17:06
  And to Nikko's point, it you can utilize, you know, energy,
• 1:17:09
  stranded energy in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:17:12
  You know something interest that I'm working on now is it's a
• 1:17:14
  fund that is harnessing methane output from landfills and then
• 1:17:18
  turning that into Bitcoin miners.
• 1:17:20
  You need an on Prem solution that can harness that methane
• 1:17:23
  output from the landfill trash, you know, and it has to be on
• 1:17:26
  site. You know energy isn't
• 1:17:28
  transportable as much as we'd like it to be and maybe it will
• 1:17:31
  be one day. But you know Bitcoin mining is
• 1:17:33
  just the perfect solution. So I think states that are
• 1:17:35
  against it are just foolish and and don't really understand the
• 1:17:39
  mechanics of it. Exactly.
• 1:17:42
  New York State is going to have fun staying poor anyways.
• 1:17:46
  Wait, wait. One one last question and this
• 1:17:48
  is just for Mason. What's What's the last message
• 1:17:50
  you want to leave our audience with?
• 1:17:54
  You know for me my Super Bowl is the having and I would say don't
• 1:17:59
  fear the having, embrace it of of course it's great from from a
• 1:18:03
  Bitcoin price performance. The year after the having
• 1:18:06
  statistically is Bitcoin's best year with those that are mining,
• 1:18:10
  those that have you know embraced the having and deployed
• 1:18:12
  more capital into it and took advantage of low cost machines
• 1:18:15
  and and took over energy contracts you know outperformed.
• 1:18:19
  Don't be a capitulator. Enter and embrace the having.
• 1:18:24
  I'm really feeling good about this cycle and the next cycle of
• 1:18:28
  the next two having cycles. So don't fear.
• 1:18:31
  Embrace and and of course, you know, do a lot of diligence in
• 1:18:35
  their counterparties and and don't overextend.
• 1:18:38
  Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Mason, thank you so much for
• 1:18:41
  joining us on Simply Bitcoin Live, Opti.
• 1:18:45
  Thank you, brother. Appreciate it.
• 1:18:46
  I'm going to wrap up the show, Mason, thank you.
• 1:18:50
  Why don't you tell everybody on the interwebs where they can
• 1:18:52
  find you what you're working on? Yeah, blockworthsolutions.com
• 1:18:56
  you go to our website you get direct access to our marketplace
• 1:18:59
  that you can see my Twitter at Mason under score Joppa Blocker
• 1:19:03
  Twitter at Blocker team. Feel free to reach out anytime
• 1:19:06
  we're we're super responsive on Twitter and other platforms.
• 1:19:10
  And thanks for having me on, Nico.
• 1:19:12
  Appreciate it. Well it's been it's been an
• 1:19:13
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• 1:19:15
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• 1:19:18
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• 1:19:22
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