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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 306 - A Discharge Of Epic Proportions · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 4: Here's Joe b and the Triple B Hey, Andrew Dean,
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  Speaker 7: And here we go.
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  Speaker 1: What's up everybody? It's mister Roboto, otherwise known as the
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  Speaker 1: Triple B. Here again with you today? Welcome to episode
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  Speaker 1: number three hundred and six of the Lngumen Podcast. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the uh a discharge of epic proportions, folks. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the not the discharge maybe thinking you failthy
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  Speaker 1: minded fools out there. We're gonna be getting into all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of good stuff. But before we do, Joe I
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  Speaker 1: got some exciting news.
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  Speaker 7: All right, let's jump right into it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know we're pretty big in America, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's like our number one country I believe it is
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  Speaker 1: followed by the UK, Canada and number four. Hopefully our
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  Speaker 1: buddy Ashley is going to up our stock down under.
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  Speaker 1: Check this out. Joe. Ashley was kind enough to send
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  Speaker 1: me a couple of pictures. Check this out. He is
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  Speaker 1: repping the Lonecoming Podcast at the Kennedy Memorial down in Australia.
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  Speaker 7: Wow. Yeah, respect sir, respect Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that. That's beautiful, isn't it. That's a beautiful part. Wow.
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  Speaker 7: We gotta send him some stickers. That's what we have
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  Speaker 7: to do.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. But yeah, man, that that is very cool of
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  Speaker 1: you to do, Ashley. We appreciate it. I think that's awesome, right, Joe.
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  Speaker 7: I love to see it. We are worldwide, sir, you.
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  Speaker 1: Love to see it. And uh, if you are looking
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  Speaker 1: for a new house down in Victoria in Australia, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: he's your guy, Ashley by On hopefully hopefully I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: that right, Ashley by On b y n O. NU.
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  Speaker 1: You just think it was Binion, But I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's right either, But who the whole knows? So sorry,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know how to properly pronounce your last name,
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  Speaker 1: but I did spell it. And if you're looking for
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  Speaker 1: a realtor, Ashley is your guy down under? Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: might give me a vacation house down that way. Joe.
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  Speaker 7: You never know, hey, except for the flight, that sounds
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  Speaker 7: pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Right And then uh, we also got a surprised that
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  Speaker 1: we've been asking for for a while, Joe, I got
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  Speaker 1: a surprise for you.
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  Speaker 7: Always surprised me.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's some audio that we've been asking for. So
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  Speaker 1: our boy turn Horse come through in the clutch. Here
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  Speaker 1: you go.
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  Speaker 7: It stands right now, there's only two of us left alive.
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  Speaker 7: That's me.
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  Speaker 8: As far as I We're force gonna stay alive because
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  Speaker 8: I ain't gonna.
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  Speaker 7: Say ship why under saying is any your assholes come near?
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  Speaker 9: Me.
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  Speaker 1: You better have a fucking army.
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  Speaker 2: Wait your baby, but I've got my ship together and
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  Speaker 2: I'll pull the first one of your motherfuckers away that
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  Speaker 2: even comes near me and.
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  Speaker 1: That you can put in print, so that folks, for
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  Speaker 1: those who aren't familiar, Uh, is Lauren Hall right, one
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  Speaker 1: of our prime suspects and the and the Kennedy assassination conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh milieu if you will, crois all h Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: you know when you hear people like Lauren Hall saying
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  Speaker 1: this type of stuff, it's and and you know you're
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  Speaker 1: thinking about all these connections. You know, he was in
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  Speaker 1: jail with Santo's traffic conte down in Cuba and the
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  Speaker 1: meeting at Martino's, uh you know where money's exchange allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's just very incriminating. So once again, thanks
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  Speaker 1: to Turning Horse for getting that clip to us.
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  Speaker 7: We greatly appreciate it. Yes, thank you sir, And he
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  Speaker 7: is here. He is here, and hello to everyone in
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  Speaker 7: the chat. I don't think we said hi yet. Thank
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  Speaker 7: you John as usual. I believe you sent us a
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  Speaker 7: super chat last week as well, so thank you as well.
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  Speaker 7: And thanks for Paula Jane for hitting the thanks button.
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  Speaker 7: On our last show which we weren't live for Rob.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, which you can do folks, yep, are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 7: Tiny Dancer, Hello, I she sent me some really good
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  Speaker 7: emails Rob in the past couple of days with our
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  Speaker 7: regarding our favorite Martin. Yes, and uh, I haven't had
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  Speaker 7: the time to respond yet, Tiny or really like look
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  Speaker 7: into it. It's been a hectic week, but I will
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  Speaker 7: and I will get back to you. So thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is true. Joe ghost to me for
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  Speaker 1: like two days. He's very busy man, very busy man.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, without further ado, Joe, I believe you have some
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  Speaker 1: interesting things to get into concerning the Burlett School over languages.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, so you know you mentioned to me you would
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  Speaker 1: You've had a really rough week.
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  Speaker 7: It's okay, but I just want to cover an interesting
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  Speaker 7: I respect that. Actually, Uh, all right, So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 7: get into it here and spread alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see he's a very nice guy, Joe, when
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  Speaker 1: you meet you in person down there.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure. And even people that I thought weren't going
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  Speaker 7: to be nice people just based on some whatever I
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  Speaker 7: read or watched online, were extremely nice. Last year, I
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  Speaker 7: didn't meet anyone who he's not nice. So all right,
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  Speaker 7: so let's get into Ernesto Arnesto Rodriguez Junior. Now this
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  Speaker 7: is not a common name in the JFK assassination.
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  Speaker 1: He has a sad face, Joe. He has a very
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  Speaker 1: sad face.
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  Speaker 7: He does. And this is actually a screenshot of a video.
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  Speaker 7: Hopefully we'll show soon if if that's downloaded for you.
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  Speaker 7: But he was a Cuban who ran the New Orleans
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  Speaker 7: Berlitz Language School, where in nineteen sixty three he met
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  Speaker 7: none other than Lee Harvey Oswalt. Arnesto was also an
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  Speaker 7: FBI informant, extremely close with Carlos Springier, and a very
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  Speaker 7: important figure in the exile community. Although he was born
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  Speaker 7: in I believe Miami, so I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 7: in exile per se. He wasn't exile from Cuba, but
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  Speaker 7: doesn't matter, and was also associated with a lot of
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  Speaker 7: far right extremists, including some really far right Nazis and
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  Speaker 7: John Birch Society meetings. One of the guys he was
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  Speaker 7: talking with was George Lincoln.
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  Speaker 1: Rockwell, head of the American Nazi Party.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so this guy was an extreme right winger as
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  Speaker 7: well as a Cuban exile. Lee Harvey Alswalt's first encounter
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  Speaker 7: with the Cubans in New Orleans was with Arnesto Rodriguez
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  Speaker 7: in July of sixty three, some people say early August,
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  Speaker 7: but and when he met Lee Harvey Oswalt, Oswalt was
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  Speaker 7: already aware of the Cuban training camp in link Poncertrain,
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  Speaker 7: which was very interesting to him, and Arnesto Rodriguez was
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  Speaker 7: the one who referred Oswald to Carlos Bringe. But when
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  Speaker 7: Oswald visited the Burlett School, they had a conversation in Russian.
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  Speaker 9: Rob.
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  Speaker 7: And also Spanish. Wow, and we'll get in a couple
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  Speaker 7: of documents in a second. But Arneso said they didn't
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  Speaker 7: speak that much Russian because he couldn't keep up. He
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  Speaker 7: wasn't as fluent as Lee's Russian at the time. So
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  Speaker 7: I feel like Lee was there not only to inquire
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  Speaker 7: on Cuban activities, but possibly to learn Spanish as well,
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  Speaker 7: and one thing I wanted to stop and say, was
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  Speaker 7: so Arnesta Rodriguez spoke bad Russian but really obviously fluent Spanish.
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  Speaker 7: Does that possibly ring any bells? Maybe in the Mexico
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  Speaker 7: City Arena?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: From the wire taps.
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  Speaker 7: Yes. It was reported that whoever was impersonating Oswalt did
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  Speaker 7: not speak good Russian but spoke really good Spanish.
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  Speaker 1: So Sylvia Duran between the sheets.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he probably learned and we talked, but that
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  Speaker 7: this idea actually so. David Boylan has done a ton
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  Speaker 7: of research on the Rodriguez brothers and he was actually
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  Speaker 7: the one that brought that up. I was listening to
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  Speaker 7: some of his presentations and reading some of his work,
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  Speaker 7: and we're going to give him a lot of credit,
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  Speaker 7: especially when it comes to Amelio Rodriguez, which he was
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  Speaker 7: his brother, which we'll get into shortly. In addition, Arnesto
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  Speaker 7: to the language school, was the director of a Spanish
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  Speaker 7: language newspaper, Ltempo, and secretary for Citizens for Free Cuba,
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  Speaker 7: and was also allowed to sign checks for the CRC
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  Speaker 7: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, est those brothers Sergio or Kasia, Smith and Brigner
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  Speaker 1: and all them dudes, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, sir, And of course we'll get into Emilio. He
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  Speaker 7: was a CIA counterintelligence legend.
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  Speaker 1: But legend.
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  Speaker 7: This right here, and I don't know if we could
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  Speaker 7: play it, Robin, I'll stop sharing. But this is a
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  Speaker 7: screenshot from w DSU archive and it's actually it's titled
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  Speaker 7: interview with Lee Harvey Oswald. He goes into his spiel
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  Speaker 7: on if what's the difference between a Marxist and a communist?
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  Speaker 7: But in the first minute, maybe a little less, there's
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  Speaker 7: video of the Cuban exiles, including Brignier, both the Rodriguez
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  Speaker 7: brothers leaving the courthouse and guess who's sitting there posted
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  Speaker 7: up just staring him down, being a tough guy, Lee
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  Speaker 7: Harvey Oswald. Very interesting. I if I've seen it before,
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  Speaker 7: I don't remember seeing it, so I'm sure you you
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  Speaker 7: and and I guess Rob. We could just play it
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  Speaker 7: through through through the end. It's it's short, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Only a minute. You never sent me the link for
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  Speaker 1: this video.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, let me see. I downloaded it. It should work,
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  Speaker 7: and the first part is without audio, So I'm an idiot.
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  Speaker 7: I was thinking of the wrong video. A lot of
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  Speaker 7: videos here, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Joe's had a very tough week, folks.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, a lot of videos we like to share with
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  Speaker 7: you here. So here we go, Here we go, because
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  Speaker 7: I was leaving Emilio. Look at him, bitches Brignier, both Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 7: There's the marine Manuel that he gave to Brinier. Interesting
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  Speaker 7: they brought that to the courthouse, right, yeah, and I
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  Speaker 7: think this was after he.
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  Speaker 1: Was it shows he pieced off.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Actually, you know what, I'm gonna go back again.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 7: Going back? Hol back because it's quick. So this is
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  Speaker 7: Emilio Rodriguez who we're going to get into. This is
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  Speaker 7: the back of the head of Arnesto. This is obviously
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  Speaker 7: Lee Harvey Oswald. Look at him, arms crossed, kneeling up
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  Speaker 7: against the wall, given them the ultimate side eye glare.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Well, it's all it's all a play theater of
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  Speaker 1: the mind. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Possibly, and uh and then you have, of course, this
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  Speaker 7: is the screenshot I took of Ornesto and Armilio Bringer
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  Speaker 7: and the left there right here with the glasses you
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  Speaker 7: could see Carlos and of course the guide.
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  Speaker 1: Book ridiculous to talk into the marches. Well, I have
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  Speaker 1: that the martisloppa.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I also a lot of class.
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  Speaker 1: But are you a Marxist?
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  Speaker 2: I think you could admit, done an earlier radio interview
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  Speaker 2: that you want you can set yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I would I definitely say that.
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  Speaker 2: I am oh yeah, I mean marrect.
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  Speaker 1: But that does not mean hard.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm what is the difference between the two.
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  Speaker 7: He has a great deal of difference.
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  Speaker 4: American parties in several countries are based on the marks.
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  Speaker 7: A Ghana.
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  Speaker 2: Certain countries have ala actors of our social systems.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great grit, which is a socialized medicine. The
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  Speaker 1: the differences between a our right time, this audience coming
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  Speaker 1: through like shit, okay, it's okay.
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  Speaker 7: I just wanted to play the end of that for
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  Speaker 7: a little bit because we're going to get into what
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  Speaker 7: Ernesto says about Lee Harvey Oswalt and being a show off,
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  Speaker 7: trying to impress everyone with his self education.
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  Speaker 1: And vocabulary the US bigger words.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, essentially so all right. So in the War Commission
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  Speaker 7: rob there is one mention of Ernesto Rodriguez, although they
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  Speaker 7: spelled his name wrong with an E R N. This
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  Speaker 7: is kind of of the font isn't that clear? Sorry
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  Speaker 7: about that? His actual name is Arnesta. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 7: if that's intentional or not. But on November twenty seventh,
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  Speaker 7: sixty three, a widow named Miss Maria Rodriguez de Lopez
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  Speaker 7: made the statement in Mexico that her son in law,
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  Speaker 7: a Cuban named Arnessa Rodriguez, operates a Spanish school in
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  Speaker 7: New Orleans and had tape recordings of a Spanish conversations
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  Speaker 7: by Oswalt. She stated that her son is opposed to
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  Speaker 7: Fidel Castro or Neessa Rodriguez, president of the Modern Language
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  Speaker 7: Institute New Orleans, advice that Oswald contacted him on one
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  Speaker 7: occasion during the last week of July or early August
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  Speaker 7: sixty three and inquired concerning a Spanish language course offered
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  Speaker 7: at the institute. Oswald did not take any courses, and
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  Speaker 7: Rodriguez said he had no tape recordings of course and
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  Speaker 7: had no knowledge of Oswalt's Spanish speaking ability. So I
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  Speaker 7: was like, where did they get this from? Well, I
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  Speaker 7: found it and that this is a CIA document on
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  Speaker 7: November twenty sixth, nineteen sixty three and title Arnesto Rodriguez
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  Speaker 7: anti Castro Cuban new Oswalt in New Orleans, and you
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  Speaker 7: know ro, we love the early documents. Right four days
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  Speaker 7: after the assassination, this information is starting to trickle in.
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  Speaker 7: Of course it's a stupid cursive, handwritten note, but essentially
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  Speaker 7: it says, and give me just one second here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: so this is they're talking about the Maria Rodriguez de
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  Speaker 7: la Lopez said, son in law living in New Orleans,
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: was a friend of Oswalt. Rodriguez runs a language school
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: in New Orleans and something to his mother in law
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: or was talking about Cuban rescue jees. But at the
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: end here Rob and the very end, it says Rodriguez
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: had tape recorded a conversation with Oswalt, So it's not
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: just hearsay. Per Se annes Cia document a couple of
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: days after the assassination that he had a tape conversation
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: with Oswalt.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, and allegedly Oswald said some incriminating things according by
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: planning the assassination. But I think when pursued Arnsto never
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: produced these recordings. So yeah, I think it was a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: bunch of WHOI if you asked me.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: Well, I think the recordings as possible that they're around,
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: I don't I think if if they were talking about,
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: you know, an assassination plot on Kennedy and because all
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: these anti Castro Cubans were trying to pit it on
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: Castro right to prompt the invasion of Cuba. That was
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: their whole, you know.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they said that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: Their death people still Felix Rorigez in a recent interview,
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: said that this year that that was their that was
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: their go to line. But I think he might have
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: had it. But I don't think Oswald was talking about
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: killing the president in late July sixty three or really,
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: so I don't think they knew he was. He didn't
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: have the job as the TSBD. I don't think Kennedy's
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: trip to Dallas was announced.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: It had been a specific specifics right, so yeah, no pacifics, pacifics.
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: So that was very interesting. And Jim Garrison and Jim
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: Alcock also interviewed mister Ernesto Rodriguez at the Burlett School
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: of Languages in February nineteen sixty seven. They said he
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: was very cooperative, Sure he was. He says that he
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: knows that Oswald knew about some camps across the lake,
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: as Oswald had talked to Brigay about the camps. He
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: said that Oswald came to the Burlett School of Languages
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: on on a tank occasion and attempted to talk with
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: him about the possibility of taking a language course and
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: about Cuba in general. Oswald never returned.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, it kind of makes sense, Joe, if
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you're thinking in the sense of, you know what Banister
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and Ferry were up to, you know, with these train
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: these anti cancer Cubans, you know, Lake Poncha training and everything.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Oswald would want to be able to talk to him
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: or at least speak their language, you know, and be
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: able to talk to these Cuban refugees, even the anti
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: castr xiuse. It's just interesting that he never really followed
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: through with it. It's like plans changed at the beginning
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in August, after all this shit went down, you know.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, after probably mid August, after August ninth, August tenth,
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: and then a couple of days later the radio and TV. Yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: something did change, because you know, he ended up going
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: back to Dallas, nott Or and possibly Mexico City, and
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: something did change.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: That is true. Hey, Big DC is in the house.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: DC, what's up? And we're we're going to hear a
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: small snippet soon from the Dallas Action actually, Sir on
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: a short piece about Emilio Rodriguez that he did with
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: David Boylan and Larry Hancock. And as I was going
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: to explain who Emilio was, I was listening to this
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: and I was like, I can't explain it better. So
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: this is a document that David Boylan found in the
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: Malcolm Blunt archives.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I like that assassination archives. Gift of Earl Goals? Who
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is that, sir? A very interesting Dallas based reporter in
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the late seventies and eighties. Okay, you should be familiar.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I've done many shows on Earl Goals and stories.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: I just wanted you to explain it to the audience.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: Er of course. Yeah, So this is Arnesto he Oswald
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: came in here asking about Cubans and Cuban training camps
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: and the like. He offered to help. I told him
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't be the party to help him, but there
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: are some other Cubans here, and I directed him to
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: Carlos Brignier and that's the end of it. Later on, yeah, right,
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: later on, they had this fight with Carlos on Canal
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: Street and there was a debate on radio and there
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: was a tape made of it, and Carlos offered me
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: a copy of the tape, which of course at that
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: time didn't have any value other than the fact it
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: was a debate and I have a language lab. I
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: made a copy of it and I kept it for
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: no reason at all, I don't know. And later after
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: the assassination, I remember that I had it. So maybe
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: he was the one that produced that tape.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh, because I had a language school. When Oswald
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: came here, he had interest in finding out about the Cubans,
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: how to make the right contacts. Someone had mentioned to
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: him that I was Cuban, that I had friends among
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: the Cuban colony here, and then I might know something
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: while he here. He tried to show me how we
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: spoke Russian. We tried to have a little conversation in Russian.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: My Russian is not fluent enough, so I was limited
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: there and that kind of thing. He tries to play
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: it down. It was only a matter of five ten minutes,
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: and he actually didn't even walk in my office. He
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: stood in the outer door. He was by himself, plaid shirts.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: I remember that much. So then he asked him was
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: Rodriguez's office at five point forty four Camp Street at
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: the time, No, no, no, I have nothing to do
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: with Camp Street. My office is at twelve oh eight
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: Saint Charles still is. As a matter of fact, I
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: had recently moved here when Oswald came up. I know
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: that Wiseberg's book mentioned me in several places and even
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: put me as heated chief of the CIA in this
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: area and all of that. All that's crap. But later
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: I was involved with the organization that was forming. I
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: don't even remember the name, okay, but it was something
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: about Cuba. I was involved in that, like many Cubans
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: here were even Americans. And that office worked with a
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: guy who was a local representative for the CRC, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: he had an office in the Camp Street address in
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: the same building, as well as another guy I don't
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: remember his name. Yeah, banister. He says, I knew all
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: these guys because they're all involved with the Cubans. I
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: met all those guys, but you know, no other involvement,
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: of course.
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: But.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: The most interesting part of this document is interview Oswalt.
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: Quote comes through as self educated and trying to use
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: vocabulary that is self acquired. He could have been used easily.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: He was eager to impress. Anyone who met him would
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: tell you that he was going out of his way
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: to impress whoever he met.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty on point there, I think, Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: He seems to know more about Oswalt than a five
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: minute meeting outside of offices. Huh. And then he goes
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: on to talk about Oswald's shooting abilities. The shooting in
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: Dallas was tremendous, spectacular. I think he meant it was
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: like a spectacular shot job and Oswald wasn't qualified for
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: that and for what he had accomplished the Marines.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So we got as a conspiracy theorist here, folks.
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I don't think he's he's far off there.
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: You know we've covered before how Oswalt was barely an
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: average a shooter.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, real quick. Jo Scott had this comment the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: language school info is all about Spanish and Cuba, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: no thing about learning Russian. Now, these Berlitz School of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Languages were all over the place. I think of franchise
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like McDonald's. You know what I'm saying. And I think,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: didn't you say something about Ruth possibly doing Russian at
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Burlitt's School of Languages?
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah? So, because I didn't want to make this one
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: hour segment on my part, I cut the Ruth part out,
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: but I think she took I read this morning forty
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: or fifty different times she went to take courses, right,
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: so maybe an hour or two class. And one of
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: the teachers, who was also in the documents and I
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: think was an interviewed by the Warran Commission ended up
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: going to her house to talk to her as well.
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: So yeah, Ruth did take Russian at the Burlitt School.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: But it's just interesting that Ernesto knew a little bit
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: of Russian to be able to semi have a conversation
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: with Lee in Russian about it. And we mentioned before
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: brings up questions about Mexico City. Could he have been
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: the one that would personated Oswald on the call?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Claude's got a question for Doug which I can
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: answer on his behalf. We we actually recorded or tried
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to record one. We had a little technical difficulty. So
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the studio, the new Drop D podcast studio is under
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: construction as we speak, and hopefully within the next couple
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of weeks you will have a new Dallas action and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: quick hits. So just be patient with us a little
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: bit longer while we do put the finishing touches on
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the new studio and there down there in Music City, USA.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: We'll be back before you know it. Folks promise, promise,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: yeah and uh.
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Moose sorry, I'll uh, I'll make a slide on next time.
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: On the times that she took the Russian classes. But
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: and south to west dang, So everyone spoke Russian back
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: in the day, No, I don't think so. I think
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: Ernesto had a little bit of Russian knowledge being part
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: of the language school. I don't think it was common
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: among the exiles, whatsoever?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Common in the night so far, Paul Barroom blitz h,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: This is a funny one too, mister Spinks. America's untold
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: grifters told me Ruth Payne studied really hot lesbianism in
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: film at n y U. Huh. I can't tell if
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: you're okaing or not, but if so, that's funny.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Agreed about the school. Could this still be employed by
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Laho to get into people while playing his part? I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: think it was, like you said, Lee was trying to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: find these anti Castro Cubans who were active in trying
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to do something, and he may have heard some things
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: about the Rodriguez brothers, and you know, like Ournester said,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you know, he told him to go see Briga, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what Ozwalda ended up doing. And of course
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the training camps came up and he gave him this
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: marine training manually. He said, you know, I'm very well
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: versed in gorilla tactics. YadA, YadA, YadA. And then then
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: they see this guy handing out brocaster leasas on the street,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: which is why the fractice started. The fight started. Mhmm,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: but yeah, very interesting.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I have a couple. I'm just gonna get
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: into Amelia really quickly and I'm going to play something.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: But Doug said it's already built, but he's training to
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: operate new console, new.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Room and tiny. I don't know what photo you're talking about,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: dear Tango down.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: Sixty six, as I think the best place.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if anybody's got it, it's the website Tango Down sixty.
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: Six DCM is dark complexive man.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, I just worried. I didn't know
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: what photos she's referencing.
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: Neither do I was just referring to as answering Trey. Yes, yeah,
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: I know, you know what. All right, So when I
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: got back here, all right, So Emilia Rodriguez was part
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: of the Stay Behind network in Cuba work for the CIA,
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: convincing procast or Cubans to effect and later when he
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: was exfiltrated, went around US and Mexico and tried to
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: get other Cubans to join the cause. He worked closely
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: with David Morales, Rip Robertson, David Attlee Phillips, Bob Moore
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: who was the deputy director of JM Wave under Ted Shackley.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: And he is someone that is not talked about enough
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: and I know Doug will agree with that, Desmond Fitzgerald
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: and many others, and this was of course, Actually I'm
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: to start on the right here. He had one of
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: the most closely guarded CIA cryptonyms and true names in
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: the history of the case. This is from Mary Farrell.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: His kryptonym was am I or one and he was
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: the one rob who died at Dulles Airport and then
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: when he was taken to the doctor who was coincidentally
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: CIA probably domestic contact. Recognize the names in his address
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: book and we're going to get into some of those
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: names right now. I'm going to play this from my
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: phone actually, so this is from Dallas Action number one
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: ninety four with David Boylin and Larry Hancock. Of course
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: with Doug Campbell and Rob stop me if it sounds bad, Okay, yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: here we go.
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: Important to Morales's structure. In Morales' organization right now, he's.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: A political action In fact, he is such an important
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: political action officer.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: Did they let him run operations all the way from
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: New York to Mexico?
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: And I think in the end, right he's one of
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: those guys who becomes such a long term significant CIA
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: employee that they actually acknowledge his own employment that's virtually unknown.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: Emilio Rodriguez is like as a super operative. Uh, he's
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: just not your office staff guy.
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: I is covert.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: He was coverting Cuba. Uh, day that you want to
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Emilio doesn't get the credit he needs.
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: Hey, I ran across.
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: I ran to believe it or not, I ran across
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: a big file on him. I believe it was in
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: the new releases like the twenty seventeen and on even
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: independent from date. And I was blown away by the
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: story because he was deep cover, had alias pocket litter
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: right when he dropped dead at the airport. He dropped
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: dead at Dullas Airport of a heart attack, and when
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: you read the reports and the documents, it's amazing.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: It's there was an.
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: E R doctor who I guess was a c I
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: A SAD or part of domestic contacts or something, because
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: he recognized the alias and contacted the c I A A.
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: One of our guys is here did and they ended
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: up setting people out.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: In the radio had had an address book and when
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the doctor at the emergency room doctor actually looked at it,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: he recognized a lot of the names, and a lot
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: of those names were significant in the address book, as
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: in Rip Robertson his name and wow and where he
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: lived in Miami h more as in Robert Moore where
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: he lived in Miami More Yep, Dimmer John Dimmer was
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: he took over for Shackley headed, Jane Wade, Wow, David,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: David Phillips, Jake Estaline, Uh, you name it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: It was like a who's who of the c I
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: A and his address.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: And on your screen now, ladies and gentlemen, is uh
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: screenshot or picture of some of his address entries. You
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: could see the names that David Boylan mentioned here. It
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: is really the who who of the CIA. This is
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: another page you have Dick Helmes, Desmond Fitzgerald, Jake Esterline, Rob,
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: this guy was a serious dude.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you got those guys numbers and addresses in
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: your pocket, you somebody.
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Home numbers, not aliases home numbers. And yeah, that says
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: a lot being one of the most protected names because
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: he was going undercover. Obviously when he was in Cuba,
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: he was in the Stay Behind network with like Tony Sforza.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: That Stay Behind network was run by Day Morales. And
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: you know what it's I think about this a lot, Rob,
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: because we go through a lot of names, right, like
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: the popular names that everyone talks about. But as I
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: continue my study journey in this subject, I think probably
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: and ironically, it was a bunch of people that no
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: one really talks about, you know, like the middle echelon
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: type of exiles. I mean, Emilia Rodriguez wasn't really discovered
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: I think until five six years ago by David Boylan.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: And if you guys know David Boylan, there he's on
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: another level in terms of the Cuban exiles and all
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: this stuff. I mean, he knows I can't keep up.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: He's great, he's great, he's really smart.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: And I met him last year at Lancer. I'm gonna
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: he's gonna be there again this year. So I know
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: he talked about them at his presentation last year because
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: my first notes in my Lancer notebook are of the
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: Rodrigez brothers.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Coincidentally, but.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, these two guys. Uh so one more thing. So
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: you have Ernesto who comes into contact with Oswalt. Do
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: you think he tells his brother Emilio, who's doing counterintelligence?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Probably yeah, I mean his mom knows, so wouldn't his brother.
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly right. And that was a mother
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: in law I think I was. I remember, yeah, I
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: think I said mother in law. So that Yeah, that's
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: even more to your point, right, if he's telling his
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: mother in law, of course he's telling his brother.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: So yep, like Doug says, this guy was a Cuban
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: James Bond posthumously awarded the CIA's top medal, and his
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: little brother was all over Lho like silk City on
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: chicken Wings. Damn Skippy.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: I might take over comment on the night.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: It may it may have nudged, but.
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, guys, Dallas Action, you can find out a lot
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: of podcast platforms. Episode one, an amazing conversation with Doug
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: Boiling and Hancock and I have to check it out,
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: and I think that's it for me, sir.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we got a little bit of breaking
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: news this week, Joe, break news, breaking news, right, breaking news. Okay,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: So apparently a new home video footage of the limo
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: speeding to Parkland has been unearthed, and we have it
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: here for you tonight, folks. So without further ado, let's
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: hop on the Stemens Freeway and take a look, shall we.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: Let's do it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: It was a day that changed America forever. November twenty second,
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: nineteen sixty three, Dallas, Texas, the motorcate of President John F.
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: Kennedy makes its way through the city, capturing the hopes
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: and dreams of a nation. But now over sixty years later,
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: an extraordinary discovery brings us a fresh perspective. This rare,
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: never before seen, eight millimeter color film reveals a new
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: angle of history. Picking up moments after the Zubruder film,
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: secret Service agent Clint Hill clings to the back of
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: the limousine, shielding First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy, draped over her
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: stricken husband and.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Hold on. I think we had technical difficulties with that
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: clip hold on so tag two.
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: It was a Day that changed America Forever. November twenty second,
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: nineteen sixty three, Dallas, Texas, the motorcate of President John F.
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: Kennedy makes its way through the city, capturing the hopes
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: and dreams of a nation. But now over sixty years later,
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: an extraordinary discovery brings us a fresh perspective. This rare,
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: never before seen, eight millimeter color film reveals a new
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: angle of history. Picking up moments after the Zupruder film,
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: secret Service agent Clint Hill clings to the back of
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: the limousine, shielding First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy, draped over her
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: stricken husband in that unforgettable pink suit. The car reaches
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: speeds of eighty miles per hour, and in a desperate moment,
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: hellis said to have turned to the follow up car
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: and signals a grim thumbs down, a silent gesture of despair.
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: Soon to be featured in an upcoming auction, this footage
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: stands as a powerful reminder of that dark day in
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: American history, offering us one more piece of the puzzle.
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: A rare glimpse into the moments that followed, now brought
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: to light for the world to see.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Breaking news, breaking news, and I generally see any moving
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: footage there. Joe's mostly stills or maybe they're holding it
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: back for the auction.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, so allegedly. I don't know who came up
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: with this film. There's been a couple of articles about it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: But your volume's low?
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: Can you hear me?
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: No?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Still low?
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: How about now?
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Still low?
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: Guys? Is it low for me? I haven't touch a thing.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Is it just me or folks in the chat when
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you did the video? Sounds good here? Okay, as long
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: as y'all can hear him?
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, so Rob, I'm thinking the they're probably saving
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: the full movie for for the auction. I think what
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: it shows is the motorcade speeding down the Stemens Freeway
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: and you have Clint Hill, who has since climbed from
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: the back bumper of the car to above, kind of
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: kneeling with kind of his foot out over the backseat
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: of the car where Jackie Kennedy is laying over jack
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: at that point, who's completely humped over and probably you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: I think he might have been alive at Parkland, like
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: they said, but he was pretty much dead when when
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: that bullet hit him. If not immediately, yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I would think. So with the giant hole in the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: back of your head, you're probably not good. Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: So I was thinking, and this has been a topic,
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: does this have any evidentiary value? And I think I
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: think it was Jefferson Morley that that tweeted or wrote
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: something that said, or someone that works with a site
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: that maybe they could enhance it to see if the
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: bullet hole is visible, and maybe the original not the
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: stills could be enhanced in a way. I'm not that
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: optimistic based on the quality that we saw that we're
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: going to get any of.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: That it is very needed by AI Joe.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe I could do it. But I think the
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: most the most positive thing of this is there are
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: still videos out there that we haven't seen, public hasn't seen.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yep. This is hope upon hold. I mean, and we
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: just said this recently on the show that you know, hey,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a home movie could come out at any time and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: change every body's perspective. You know, it's not this one, no,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: but it could be the next one, another one after that,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: because these things will continue to be found as these
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: older folks pass away and their kids start going through
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: all their stuff. In the attic exactly in these film
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: candishes marked you know, eleven twenty two, sixty three or
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: Oh for sure, that's you took the words out of
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: my mouth. That is that you know this generation there, eighties, nineties,
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: you know there, that's some of the slim hope that
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: has left that maybe some other videos that are more
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: relevant surface. And you never know, Rob, you.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Never know, you never know. You don't you don't never know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: you don't never know. All right, so let's get into
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: some discharge talk.
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: And perpetual concepts. Yes, we need the Martin film director's
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: cut as well. I agree. Where was James Trepert Martin
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: during the eleven twenty two I don't know t Martins
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: and Claude was the blob at the side of the
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: limo where JK was sitting. I believe that's Clint Hill's foot.
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: I believe it is, or that's what people say it is.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't be too concerned with that, because what, at
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: the end of the day could a black blob mean?
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: You know, the photography at that time, the motorcade going
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: at eighty miles an hour, which it was at that point,
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: you know, so that's it sir freaking.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get into a little discharge conversation, shall we. Joe,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: we all know about Lee Harvey Oswald's discharge problems. You know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: he was given an honorable hardship discharge in nineteen fifty
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: nine because of his mother's injuries. He needed apparently needed
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: to take care of her. And these discharges weren't these
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: discharges were not given away willye and nilly. You know,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: they took the time to investigate the claims and rarely
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: ever approved him. But Oswald's got.
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: Approved before the term is up, you mean of their enlistment.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Correct, and early discharge. Yeah, so you know, the story goes.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Oswald got this early discharge. He was discharged on nine
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: to eleven, nineteen fifty nine, and he proceeded to go home,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: you know, to his mother's house, and instead of taking
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: care of his mother or you know, trying to help
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: her out in it. Any way, three days later he's
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: on a freighter, you know, heading for his ultimate goal
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: of Russia.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: So we're going to take a look at the backstory
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: about this whole incident with the candy jar. What Marguerite said,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: what the marine said, and what Oswald did, and what
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the marine you know? So the story, the official story
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: goes something like this. So on July eighth, nineteen fifty nine,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Marguerite Oswald received a special delivery letter from her son.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: It said, now this time he's still in the Marine Corps.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I received your letter and was very unhappy to hear
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: of your troubles. Trying to secure an early hardship discharge
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: in order to help you. Such a discharge is only
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: rarely given. The Red Cross cannot give you funds of
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: any kind. They can only give you me and only
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: if you make the right impression on them, only if
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: they know you cannot and are not receiving help from
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: any other kin, and only if they know you are
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: in dire need. Right now, Please tell them I will
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: be able to secure a good job, as this is important.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Also send me the names of some actual businesses that
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I may write them and get an acceptance letter for
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a job. This last point is not required, but it
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: would help my case for a hardship discharge if, if,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: and when I bring it before my commanding officer. Just
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: inform them that I have been your only source of income.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: You know now, Marguerite Oswald did have two other sons
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: in the Armed forces at this point, and I believe
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Robert is out already, uh and and married and all
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: that jazz. And I'm sure you know Robert and John
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: as well were giving Marguerite money at this point to
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: to get by.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: In some sense. Sure.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Marguerite said that she had not received allotment
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: payments from her son during almost during the almost three
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: years that he had been in the Marines. So she's
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: she's saying that Oswald never gave her any money the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: whole time that he was in the Marine Corps, which,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: to find strained. In early September, Oswald returned briefly to
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Fort Worth, and he left the city after three days
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: without disclosing his destination. She had I've seen a passport
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: he'd obtained in California listing his occupation as the export
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: import business. Okay, So what this signifies is, folks, Oswald
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: obtained this passport in California and he put on there
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: his occupation is that he's in the import export business.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: So his motive for getting out of the Marine Corps
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: was never to go home and help his mother. He
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: always had an ulterior motive, and he got granted an
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: early hardship discharge from the Marine Corps. So this is
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: how these conspiracy theories start, because does it make sense
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that the Marines would let him out early for the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: incident that I'm about to tell you about. They supposedly
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: investigated this thing and gave him this early discharge. But
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: yet he proceeded while he was still in California to
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: get a passport and list his occupation as a export
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: import businessman, so for New Orleans. On September the eighteenth,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: he wrote that he was about to do something his
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: mother might not understand. On October thirty first, nineteen fifty nine,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: fort Worth newspapers carried news that Oswald had applied in
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Moscow for Soviet citizenship. Missus Oswald, now apparently flushed with cash,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: sent a twenty dollars personal check to the Metropolitan Hotel
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: in Moscow on December eighteenth, nineteen fifty nine. She received
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: a check back with a note written on a scrap
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: of paper. I can't use this check, of course, it said,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Please put a twenty dollars bill in an envelope and
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: send it to me. I'm also short of cash and
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: need the rest. Love Lee, missus Oswald said that she
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: had sent twenty dollars a twenty dollars foreign money order
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to the Metropol and also a twenty dollars United States bill.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Now financially, Joe, we can time this by ten, right.
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: Yes, sir, so bucks.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: So she basically sent Lee four hundred bucks because she
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: sent him a twenty dollars bill and a twenty dollars
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: foreign money order. So that's four hundred bucks in today's money, Yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: from a woman who's not working, okay and destitute? Right?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Now did he he kind of implied that he
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: wasn't able to cash the check?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't catch a check, yeah, in Russia from.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: There from a United States bank.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I don't yeah, I don't.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: So.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: After and then after two and a half months, both
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the money order and the twenty dollars bill were returned
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to Marguerite with a note inside that said that the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: hotel Metropole could not locate her son. So apparently by
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: this time Oswald had moved or they just didn't look
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: and just returned to send you to Who knows what
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the truth is about that. Yeah, but let's get into this,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: this whole candy incident Joe. It now, this, this whole
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: incident took place. Now you remember what I was reading
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: you from Oswald got discharged September the eleventh. It's easy
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: to remember nine to eleven, nineteen fifty nine. This incident
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: occurred Joe on December the fifth, nineteen fifty eight, in
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Texas. Wow, now I've got a handwritten notice
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of inquiry and claim for compensation for basically it's a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: workman's com thing from Marguerite Oswald to the King Candy
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Company who she was working for, apparently. And it's kind
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: of hard to read, but I will, I will try
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: my best. She says, I was getting candy from a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: store room and I reach up to get a carton
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: from a shelf. A number of signs placed on top
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: of the carton fell and hit me in the face
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: and head, and the carton itself may have hit me.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I was knocked to the floor and sustained permanent injuries
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: to my head, neck, and face, which have totally disabled
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: me up to the present time.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 7: Permanent.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Interesting, So she's Trey coming through in a clutch.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: Yes, thank you so much, Trey. I don't want to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: interrupt you wrong, but.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: Thank you the man.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: It's like sweet skittles in my mouth. So basically, it
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't a candy jar the smacked in the face. There
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't even a box of candy or a piece of candy.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Apparently there was a couple of hardboard signs on top
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: of a box that she reached up for when she
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: when she grabbed the box and pulled it down, these
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: cardboard signs pelted her in the face. Because she doesn't
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: even say. She said, I may have been hit in
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the face by the cart in itself, but she doesn't
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: say that she did.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that might give you a scratch if it
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: falls in the exact right way that it kind of
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: grazes your cheek or something. I'm playing devil's advocate here,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: of course, but I don't see how that results in
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: permanent daminage.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to your head, neck and face, permanent damne, leaving
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: me totally disabled up until this present time. I mean,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: this is the bogus. This is as bogus acclaim as
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: you can get.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: Yep, and almost a year before, right, eight ten months
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: before or something like that.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this happened December fifth, nineteen fifty eight. Okay, and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: by I have the of course, we'll go through the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: timeline of these injuries, joe. And so the King Candy
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Company is insured by the Liberty Insurance Company of Texas.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Everyone's dealing with notice of injury and claims for compensation. Well, company,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: the King Candy Company, you said, Liberty, that's the Liberty
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Insurance Company of Texas deals with their workmen's comp claims.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: They pay you.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: Know, any connection to Liberty lobbedyuh fucking he uity, Joey.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: And they basically are saying that the notice of injury
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: and claim for compensation has been received, in accordance with
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: your wishes, the board will take no further action unless
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: requested to do so. For their information, we are notifying
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the insurance carrier that the claim has been filed. Blah
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: blah blah. And this happened on December fifth, So they
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: she filed the claim. King Candy Company ran it through
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: their insurance company and workman's comp December fifth. December fifth
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: on the same day, so they're on it. They're on it. Wow.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: So then we have a letter from the Goldberg Clinic
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: in Fort Worth, Texas. And this is in January twenty sixth,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen and fifty.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: Nine, right, almost two months after the incident. A little less.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then this is a letter excuse me to the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Liberty Insurance Company of Texas regarding Marguerite Oswald, employee King
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Candy Company. Dear Sirs, the above name patient came to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: see us on December sixth, nineteen fifty eight, so the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: day after the incident, So it must have not been,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: you know, an emergency or anything, stating that on December
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the fifth, she reached up to get some jars of
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: candy while working for King Candy Company, and a carton
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: of candy fell on her face and nose. So now
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: it's the signs are gone. Yeah, the parten of candy
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: falling on her face and nose bopping pop right. Examination
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: revealed a small laceration Joe of the bridge of her
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: nose with swelling and also swelling of the turbine turbin turbinates.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's your nostrils. I think, correct me if
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not correct chat. An X ray of the nose
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: was negative for a fracture or break, and the patient
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: was given bio misolin, nasal decongestive and medication for pain.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: The patient returned for an office visit on December the eighth,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and then again December twentieth or twenty ninth, sorry, at
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: which time she complained of headaches and a pain in
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: her neck.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: She's milking it, huh.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Her cervical spine was X rayed, which revealed no fracture
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: or abnormal pathology. We have not seen the patient since
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the aforementioned date and presume and we presume that she
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: is now recovered. It is my opinion that there is
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: no part, partial or permanent disability. Sincerely, Morton Goldberg, MD. Okay, Okay,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: so hallelujah, she's healed. Okay, well wait, there's more. Kay.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: April thirtieth, I guess old Morton Goldberg didn't work for Marguerite.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: So she's going to go see another doctor.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: Joe April thirtieth. So that's what like four or five
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: months after her last appointment in December. Okay, yeah, I'll
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: just try to keep tracking.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Marguerite has this dude. William McKinney, MD read
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: a letter to the Liberty Insurance Company. Dear Sirs, Missus,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Marguerite Oswald was referred to me by another doctor named
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: el Hamilton on the nineteenth of April nineteen fifty nine.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: So there was another doctor before this doctor, He says,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I examined this patient and found no abnormal neurological signs.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I felt that her difficulty was primarily a auxiliary sinusitis
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: on the right. I saw no evidence of any definite
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: neurological involvement. Okay, so she's got a sinus In fact,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what sinusitis is. I'm guessing
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: it's a sinus infection. Thank you, Paula, Thank you the best.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: So then Joe on May thirteenth, If at first you
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: don't succeed, Joe, you try and try again. Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: About two weeks after meeting with the McKenzie doctor.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she I guess she didn't like Mackenzie very much.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Since now she's going back to ll Hamilton Lester Hamilton
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: of the Hamilton Everett Clinic in Fort Worth, Texas. She
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: has them write a letter, an open letter to whom
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: it may concern, May thirteenth, nineteen fifty nine. Missus Marguerite
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Oswald came to US in February. On February twentyth nineteen
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: fifty nine, with a history of having been struck in
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: the right side of her face. Now it's falling boxes, Joe,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: falling boxes more plural. She stated that she'd later had
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: an abscess on the right side of her face, which
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: was treated by doctor J. Morris Harris with ten shots
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: of penicillin. So there's another doctor. I think we're up
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: to four now, right, Yeah?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, But was it infected that she needed antibiotics?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Dude? I think ten shots of penicillin is enough to
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: cure syphilis.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's what she was trying to care.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She also stated that she had been
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: given first aid by doctor hard Hardwick just after the accident,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: So there's number five. She stated that she had a
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: heavy feeling in her head, a soreness in her neck,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: and her jaw was now not working properly.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: All right, So the boxes hit her head, that her
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: nose than her jaw.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently with cardboard boxes and signs or cardboard signs
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: to possibly one box maybe smacking their face to now
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: multiple boxes assaulting her in the face, okay. Examination revealed
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: a partially limited motion of the right temporo mandibula joint
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: with a popping noise upon movement. But people have that,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: you know, their joints pop. You know.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, anyway, I digress too, like your neck could crack.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There was also considerable tenderness in the neck while
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I was touching her, and also a grating sound upon
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: movement of her cervix or or sorry, her cervical area,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: which I don't understand because nothing hit her in the back.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 7: And less unless it was like a magic bullet type
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 7: of box where went like.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: The magic box theory. Here we are, folks.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: She was given osteopathic manipulation, which is not as sexual
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: as it sounds. I'm pretty sure. Uh, and shit man
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: med coat sauna later treatment, which is an ultrasound and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: muscle stimulation. She was seen and treated on February twentieth,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty third, twenty fifth, twenty seventh, twenty eighth, March,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: second March, fourth March, sixth, March ninth, and on March twelfth,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: she stated that she had had a sharp shooting pain
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: in her right temporary for three days fifty nine. Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: So wait, wait, hold on, hold up, Yes, these were
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: we had like a gap from like what was end
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: of December to like April and to April. So is
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: this like backdated? Almost? Did you find a doctor that
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: would play ball.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I told you. This letter was written on May thirteenth
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: by Lester Hamilton, the guy who referred her to the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: other doctor, right McKenzie. So now it's we're kind of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: like going back in time via this letter. Apparently. I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on either, do I. I'm just okay.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: So the treatments were continued on March twelve, sixteenth, eighteenth,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: and twentieth, with the physiotherapy used over the temple and
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: face area. So basically they were massaging her temples. You know,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the sharp pain to go away,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: and she was going back it seems like every two
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: or three days, every two or three days.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: Firm massage.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. On March twenty third, we packed and irrigated the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: sinuses and obtained yellow puss or puss, oh lord in
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: the washings. Sinus irrigations were given on March twenty third,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth, twenty seven, thirtieth, April, first, second, fourth, sixth, ninth,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and eleventh. So they were really like all up in
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: her nose business. I don't I'm not sure what a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: sinus irrigation consists of, Joe, but it can't be fun, no,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: especially now, when yellow puss is involved, or as we
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: call it, snot first yeah, snot.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: On April thirteenth, she was referred to doctor W. W. McKinney.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: And since I had mentioned that I might want her
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: to see an E E N T doctor which his eyes, ears, nose,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: and throat, she also made an appointment for herself and
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: saw doctor J. C. Baker. So now we're up to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: what six six doctors?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: J C.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Baker. Doctor McKinney felt that she had a max xillary
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: sinus sitis and suggested continued sinus irrigations or they just
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: there he snuck all the snot out of her head
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: like every day or two or three.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, this is I think they got tired of her,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: the doctors. I'm gonna send you off to pawn you
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: off to this guy to deal with your bs anymore
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: type of thing.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: God, I hope this thing makes it short about snot
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: when we get done. Okay, uh probably will, I hope it.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: I hope it does. AI, if you're listening, make us
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: so short about snot what I've been talking about here,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: that'd be great, thank you or puss? Uh? So yeah,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: she was referred to this dude doctor Baker felt the
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: sinuses were clear. Well, I guess so they should be
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: if she's got them sucked out like every freaking day
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: for two months. Both doctors mentioned the possibility of involvement
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: of the maxillary diversion of the fifth cranial nerve. It
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: was our feeling that she had a neuralogya or a
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: neutitis or neuurtis neurritis of this nerve, and that the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: sinuses were clear or we had ceased getting puss upon irrigation.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: We gave her some twelve injections and prescribed B twelve
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: and decadron orally, and continued the mad meddo's son of
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: later treatments. On May ninth, nineteen fifty nine, we refer
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: her to the X ray department of the Fort Worth
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Osteopathic Hospital for pans sinus x rays, since it appeared
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: to us that the right frontal sinus trans illuminated poorly.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: The X rays. Joe, guess what what? They showed no
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: sinus infection whatsoever. Imagine that that's because they had already
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: irrigated everything wrong. Yes, they already sucked all the snot
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: out of her head, you know, with the baby snot
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: suckers have you ever seen those things, you know, like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: the little bulbs and you stick them up your nose.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: And I have seen small the bogers out of the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: baby's head.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: I have seen them.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, they're great and just.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, never used it for that. At present,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: missus Oswald complains of a tightness and a soreness in
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: the left side of the face in tempo aiad. We
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: feel she has neualgia or neuritis of this portion of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: the fifth cranial nerve, which is improving with the osteopathic
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: treatment and physiotherapy as mentioned above. Today she reports that
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: pain had been relatively absent for several days, but it
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: is now back. The med Coast saun or later relieves
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: pain for a considerable time. We intend to treat her
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: daily for a time in order to see if we
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: can maintain a relief of pain. It is our opinion
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: that this condition should clear up within the next few
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: weeks and leave no residual impairment. Sincerely, Lester E. Hamerton, Hamilton,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: So they've been working on this woman for six months now,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: but the doctor is confident that is all going to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: be cleared up in a couple of days. We're on
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the verge of breakthrough here for oh Man, May twenty
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: sixth letter to the Liberty. That's your Company of Texas
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: from doctor Morton Goldberg. Again, I guess mork back of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: the picture. Dear Sirs. Missus Oswald reported to this office
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: on May twenty seventh, nineteen fifty nine, for a re
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: evaluation of her alleged which is an interesting word that
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: he uses, injury on December fifth, nineteen fifty eight.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: Very interesting word.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Since her last visit on December twenty ninth, to me,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: she has sought various medical attentions, including a consultation with
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: doctors McKinney and Hamilton, among others. She states that she
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: had has had intense periodic pain in the right side
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: of her face, her nose, and her right scalp area
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: since her accident. So now her scalp, her hair right
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: here now now she got a booboo on her head. Now, Joe.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: Okay, as an expert in scars, I don't think you'd
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: still have that for six months.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: You think. On occasion, the right stout of her face,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: adjacent to her nose becomes swollen in a white, thick
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: discharge drains from her nose.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: Now it's white. Yeah, it was yellow before.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: That brain matters. They don't suck their shit so hard
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: out of her nose. Now they're pulling the gray matter
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: out of her.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: Well, that can make sense in some.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Or she's been snorted some really good cocaine, my friend,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: all right. During the course of this interview, she was
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: very verbose and cried intermittently. Was disappointed that more could
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: not be done to alleviate her pain and find the
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: reason for her condition. She attempted to correlate her pain
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: with anatomic relations of the area of her injury, which
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: were not in accordance with true anatomic positions, whatever that means.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Her blood pressure was one twenty over eighty. Her temperature
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: was normal, pulse was normal. There's no fullness of her face.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Nose was normal, and as was the mucous membrane of
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: both nostrils. There was no post nasal discharge of mucus
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: or puss. Her throat looked normal, chest, heart and lungs
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: were all normal. Abdomen was normal as with her extremities.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Her complete blood count was normal. X rays of all
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: nasal accessory sentences were normal. X ray of her nose
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: was normal X ray. Ever, cervical spine was normal. It
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: is my impression that this patient now listen here. Joe
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: has a tremendous psychic overlay to her entire condition that
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: a feeling of insecurity about her failure to hold a
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: job or obtain one are the main reasons for per
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: perpetuation of her pain. I could find no organic changes
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: that could account for her symptoms. Sincerely, Morton Goldberg, MD.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: So now he's calling her out, saying it's all in
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: her head because she doesn't want to work. Shocker, everything
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: is normal, folks.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: He is over at this point.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: MiG Now, if the Marine Corps invested this like they
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: said they did, and they had a hold of this
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: document that basically says that she's fine, it's just she
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to work, they would not have given Oswald
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: a early hardship discharge. You think, so, why did they?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Is this all some sort of crazy ruse just to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: get him out of the Marine Corps over to Russia
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: by a certain time. This is what it sounded like
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: I I.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: Think so. I mean, I'm not sure how you could
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: really come to another logical conclusion. We know Lee was
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: very interested in getting Marxist material delivered and talking about
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: Marxism and stuff like that. So you know what I'm
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: trying to figure out is in terms of the false
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: effector program, was Lee witting or unwitting?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: Was Lee just okay? Like the forces THEI.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I think he had to be witting because he led it.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: He had that Freudian slip in New Orleans where he
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: said he was under the protection of the State Department
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: while he was in Russia. Yeah, I mean, come on, man.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, I think so. And if you consider his route
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: into Russia that Helsinki passage, uh, for sure, and even
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: the Red Cross giving him aid when he was in Russia.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: All right, So now now things start to get ugly.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 8: Joe.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: Wait, they're not ugly already.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: No, it gets worse. Oh man. Uh. This is a
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: letter from John Laird of the firm Spurlock, Chatman and Jacob's,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: attorneys for claimant Marguerite Oswald versus the King Candy Company.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: So she sued or has It's like a work comp.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: No, she's suing bud. Okay, it says, gentlemen, the firm
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: of Spurlock, Chatman and Jacobs of Fort Worth, Texas has
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: been employed to represent the above named claimant in her
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: claim for compensation for injuries sustained in the course of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: her employment for the above named employer. Notice of injury
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: and claim for compensation have been submitted by the claimant.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: All payment of compensation has been stopped, the last check
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: having been received May twentieth, nineteen fifty nine. Medical treatment
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: has been discontinued, although the claimant is still disabled. We
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: shall appreciate having this claim set for hearing at the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: earliest possible date. This is on June fifth, nineteen fifty nine.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: So apparently King Candy stopped paying her workman's comp claim
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: at the advice of doctor Goldberg or with Goldstein or
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: whatever that was name would too that company. Yeah, so
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: this is June tenth, nineteen fifty nine. You are hereby
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: notified that payment of compensation has been suspended or stopped
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: in the above number in style claim and the date
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: of the issuance of the last draft of other evidence
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: of payment is the nineteenth day of May nineteen fifty nine,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: which paid compensation from May fourteenth to May nineteenth. The
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: reason payment has been suspended or stopped as follows, the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: claimant's a physician reports that she is able to work.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: She said, one to work. We read that total amount
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: of compensation paid to her. Okay, for these past six months,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: they paid her out five hundred and eighty three dollars
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: and eighty cents. That is a weekly rate paid of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: twenty nine dollars and forty nine cents, which is roughly
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: like workman's comp is the either half or sixty percent
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: of your sale salary. Yeah, so time's out by ten.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: She got almost six thousand dollars and six months.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe even a little more, rob because the times
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 7: ten is by sixty three numbers and we're talking fifty nine.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, true, true, So probably.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: More than six grand total that she's been paid out
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: and like six months ish, Right.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: This is conversation paid from twelve six fifty eight to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: twelve eight, fifty eight, twelve eleven, fifty eight to twelve
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: twelve fifty eight, twelve twenty seven, fifty eight to twelve
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: twenty nine to fifty eight, and it goes on listing
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: all these things.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah weekly.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, this is a letter from the Liberty Insurance
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Company of Texas and this is to the Honorable Industrial
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Accident Board Walton Building, Austin, Texas concerning employee Marguerite Oswald
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: versus the King Candy Company insured by Liberty Insurance. Now
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: this is July fourteenth, nineteen fifty nine. Joe, gentlemen, we
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: paid twenty weeks compensation for a total of five hundred
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: and eighty three dollars and eighty cents, along with three
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five dollars and twenty cents of her
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: medical bills. In support of our position that there is
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: no permanent injury. We attached the report of doctor Morton
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Goldberg under date of May twenty eighth, in January twenty sixth,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine, and in addition, and in addition there too,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: we are attaching the report of doctor Hamilton showing also
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: no permanent injury. We are taking the position that we
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: have discharged all responsibility and decline further recovery compensation here
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: to forwith or something in this weird old language. I
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: don't blame.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: Them, I mean, how many dozens ofppointments did they pay for?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: How many thousands of dollars did they pay out? Now
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: they have a recommendation from the doctor, one of one
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: of the most consistent doctors she had, or up there
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: there's no there's no permanent damage. So like as any
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: company would do, they're gonna, you know, not pay workers
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: comp anymore. Sure it's logical from the corporate standpoint for sure.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now let's get into the Oswald Marine side
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: of things. Okay, So the earliest thing I could find Joe,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll just go through the days. Here.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: This is from June. Wait a minute, that's from June fifth,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. So this is where he's complaining about
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: his discharge. They were writing him a letter back. This
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: is from the commander of the Navy Discharge Review Board.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Dear mister Oswald, the review of your discharge. Now I
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: find it's interesting, Joe. It's listing him as living in
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Texas. On he's using his mom's address, Mercedes
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Street in Fort Worth in June fifth, nineteen sixty three.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: We know he was in New Orleans, so this is weird.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: But okay, dear mister Oswald, the review of your discharge
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: from the Marine Corps has not yet been concluded. That
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: is due in part to the unusual circumstances surrounding your separation.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: It has hoped that consideration of your case including review
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: of the discharge review boards findings by the Secretary the Navy,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: will be completed sometime this summer. Sincerely, Yours E. T. Carson.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Now what this is all about. Okay? So Oswald did
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: get his honorable early discharge hardship discharge, Okay, But when
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: the Marine Corps found out that he went to Russia
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: he defected to Russia and basically renounced his citizenship even
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: though he didn't legally do it, they changed his discharge
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: to dishonorable, right, And a lot of people think that
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: the reason was because he did exactly that. He you know,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for, defected to Russia and
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: renounced his US citizenship. But they said that the reason
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: that they changed it is because they basically said, well,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. You know, you're an
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: American citizen. You can live where you want. But basically
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that he talked crap about America and it looked bad
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: on the Marine Corps because he was a former Marine,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: and that's why they changed it to a dishonorable discharge, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know it would look really, you know,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: even shadier on the military's part if they kept it
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: as honorable after he defected. Right, it's almost like they're
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 7: kind of I don't.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Want to do something, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 7: And of course the secretary was the Secretary of the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: Navy at that time, John Connolly.
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  Speaker 1: No, okay, well maybe I don't know.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: Oh I heard that at some point.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: He would probably he wasn't at all assassination.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe maybe it was earlier.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna read the whole thing,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: but Oswald did write them this letter which which prompted
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: the response that I just read you. And this is
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: in the Warrant Commission exhibits. It's Exhibits seven eighty if
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: you'd like to go read it. But it is a
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: handwritten letter. It's probably five or six pages long, but
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: it starts out like this. A review of my file
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: will show that a recommendation to separate me from the
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Marine Corps Reserve was concurred in by a Board of
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: Offices in Illinois to become effective September thirteenth, nineteen sixty,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: or one year and two days from the time I
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: was honorably discharged from active duty. Referral of my case
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: to this board was promised on the pardon me, I
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: am reading Lee Harvey Oswald's cursive handwriting here was promised
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: on the something fast that I had renounced my American
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: citizenship with intent to become a permanent citizen of the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Soviet Union Socialist Republic. Since this was the sole reason
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I was separated from the Marine Corps Reserve and summarily
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: given an undesirable discharge, I do hear by request that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: the Board does convene to review this case. This is
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: a case which comes under the heading something fifteen E
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: seven forty seven i E. A discharge improperly issued. Now, look,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: Oswald is not this smart, folks, okay to write this
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: five page letter citing all this stuff. You know, he's
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: citing like case numbers and and things like this where
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: he's trying to strong arm them into changing his discharge.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: Now, trying to talk about like legal precedent and things
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: like that.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Right right now, we all know our favorite guy down
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans, Dean Andrews the right tie tie, but
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: the wrong ho ho.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Of course, he told us that Lee Harvey Oswald came
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: to see him in may or June of sixty three.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: And the reason he did this is because and he
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: actually said, Oswald visited his office on three separate occasions
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: and expressed concern about number one his citizenship status, Number
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: two his wife's citizen citizenship status, and number three his
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: undesirable discharge from the Marine Corps, which he claimed had
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: made it possible to obtain suitable employment. Mister Andrews said
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: that Oswald was accompanied by a total of approximately five
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: different people during the three visits. He said that he
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: needed two of the subjects by sight, and then on
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: two occasions he was accompanied by a young man of
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Mexican extraction, not Cuban, whom he did not know. He
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: said he believed that all Oswald's companions were homosexuals, who
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: possibly free the gaslight bar in the French Quarter where
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: such individuals congregate. He said Oswald was supposed to furnish
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: him twenty dollars and also his Marine Corps serial number
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: in order to obtain copies of printed records from the
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Marine Corps. He said that Oswald did not comply, and
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: that he did not establish a file on him or
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: receive a fee. But what if he did? Joe? This
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: letter that he wrote to the Review Board, five or
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: six pages long, citing all these cases, sounds a hell
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: of a lot, like somebody helped him write that, Okay,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: probably a lawyer. And I mean these pages, Joe, are extensive.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: I would encourage everybody to go check out Commission Exhibit
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: seven eighty and its page after page of handwritten, no mistakes,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: all cursive, very neatly written. Okay, and you know how
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: sometimes Oswald's a horrible speller.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 7: Yes, very familiar.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: We're English. That's like something he wrote, not a no misspellings,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: there very few, very few, very interesting stuff there.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, interesting, And just just wanted to say, uh, PAULA.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 7: Jane Connelly was the Secretary of the Navy in nineteen
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: sixty one, the full year, and mister Paul Cummins hye,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: Paul Connelly was hired for secretary because he could type.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: So any nicely.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: I don't think Oswald got back to like sixty two, right,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: So yeah, because you know, there was always that thing,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: that theory that Lee was actually shooting at Connolly because
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: he denied the discharge and the timing doesn't doesn't make
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: sense here.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't chang life. So on June sixth, nineteen sixty two,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: this B. E. T. Carson, who's the Commander Secretary of
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: Navy Discharge Review Board. He's telling Oswald he your application
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: for the review of your discharge was received on the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: twentieth of June. And he's writing this letter to Oswald
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: August sixth, nineteen sixty two. So this is almost, you know,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: a couple months after Oswald is back in the country.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: He's on it. He's on this. You know, that letter
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: gets written and sent and even I don't know, like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: his cursive is better than his printing, which doesn't seem correct.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see that envelope.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 7: Yes, yep, I believe yep.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe Discharge Review Board, Washington twenty five d C. Joe,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: remember that, Washington twenty five DC.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 7: Of course, I do you know? And you know, Bungle,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 7: do I think we're missing? Well know that about that
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Yep. This was written on was mailed August first from
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Fort Worth, nineteen sixty two, Joe. It says, Dear Sirs,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: in regard to my urgent request for a hearing by
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: the quote unquote Board of Review of my discharge, I
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: filled in a d D Form two nine to three
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: and Senate in early July, please notify me of action
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: taken in regard to my request, Sincerely, Lee Oswald. So
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: apparently he knows what forms to fill out to request
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: this review. I mean, this is something he's getting help
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: with doing. I think so for sure. So what is this?
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: This was from July tenth, nineteen sixty three, and these
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: are the findings of the Navy Discharge Review Board Joe.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: In accordance with Section three oh one of reference case,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: the Navy Discharge Review Board has reviewed the discharge given
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: to the subjected individual. This date of review was July tenth,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. The Secretary of the Navy has reviewed
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: the proceedings of the board and taken action as indicated
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: no change. That's the board decision. The Secretary of the
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Navy action approved the no change and the effect was
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: no change. This letter and enclosures should be placed with
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: subjects records. Enclosures listed above are forwarded to the appropriate disposition.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Return receipt is requested. And that's from A. D. W.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Bowman of the Department of the Navy. And they sent
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Lee Oswald this letter on July twenty fifth, nineteen sixty three,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: that said, dear mister Oswald, the review of your discharge
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: has been completed in accordance with the regulations governing the
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: procedures of the Board. Careful consideration was given to the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: evidence presented on your behalf, as well as that contained
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: in your official records. The Secretary of the Navy has
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: received the proceedings of the Board. It is the decision
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: that no change, correction or modification is warranted in your
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: dishonorable discharge. Sincerely, yours, D. W. Bowman, Captain, President of
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: the Navy Discharge Review Board. Bing bang, boom, bitch, no change.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Here's why no change? Okay, okay, all right. This is
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: very small and hard to read here, so bear with
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: me review. This is July nineteenth, nineteen sixty. I guess
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: this is when they changed it. It says something planning
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: officer recommended that PET and that that term, for some
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: reason refers to Lee Harvey Oswald. I recommend PET would
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: be discharged by reason of unfitness based on reliable information
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: which indicated that PET had renounced his US citizenship with
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: the intention of becoming a permanent citizen of the Union
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: of Socialist Soviet Socialist Republics. Pet's name or Pet's case
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: was heard in abstentia by the Board Retention and Desirable
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Board who recommend discharged by reason of unfitness. Pet was
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: notified by a certified mail that a board would convene
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: to determine his fitness and afforded him his rights. The
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: correspondence was returned unopened. The findings, opinions, and recommendations of
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: the board were approved by SOMETHING on nine of August
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty and forwarded to the CMC for final determination.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: CMC approved and directed the discharge to be changed to undesirable. Yeah,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: we're getting there, folcus, We're getting there. And this is
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: from October twenty fourth, fifty six. I think no, that's
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: when he enlisted. Sorry, there is no date on this.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, July tenth, sixty three. Petitioner requests recommendation for reenlistment,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: review or case and appropriate action. He submitted a brief
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: which essentially states that his discharge was improperly issued. Also
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: included was pet statement and two letters from the US
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Embassy Moscow. As requested by PET. His lengthy statement was
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: read to the board in its entirety. It contained his
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: contention that the Undesirable Discharge Board found against him, primarily
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: on the grounds that he went to the USSR and
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: allegedly renounced his US citizenship to become a citizen of
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: that country. Pet denied this allegation and claimed that since
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: he had a choice of residence as an American citizen,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: such action could not be judged as being fair or impartial.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: He further stated that he did not violate any US
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: laws by his actions, and quoted in part an American
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Embassy Moscow letter which stated, and I quote, meanwhile, your
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: continued retention of your present Soviet passport or an extension thereof,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: does not prejudice in any way your claim to American
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: citizenship unquote. So this was their response to that. They
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: went through all of his stuff that apparently that he
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: did while he was in the Marine Corps. April eleventh,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eighty. Violated a lawful general order by having
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: his possess having in his possession a privately owned weapon
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: that was not registered, sent as something for twenty days
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: and forfeit twenty five dollars per month for two months,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: and reduced to private confinement suspended for six months, but
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: vacated on twenty seven June fifty eight. Wrongfully used provoking
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: words to a staff in co Found guilty assaulting a
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: staff in co found not guilty, sent as appr CNL
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: for twenty eight days and fourfeit fifty five dollars per
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: month for one month. Seventeen October fifty eight, JAG found
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: that injury received by Pet on twenty seven October fifty
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: seven as a result of an accidental discharge of a
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: weapon was in fact incurred in the line of duty
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: and not a result of misconduct. Upon opening his locker,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: a twenty two pistol fell to the floor and discharged,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: wounding Pet in the left elbow.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 7: We covered that before, Rob I think it was in
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: the Philippines or Indonesia. I thought it it hit Oswalt's
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 7: kind of shoulder or grazed him. It wasn't like a
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 7: real gunshot.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but apparently it was. It happened, they said they
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: it was incurred in the line of duty and not
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: a result of misconduct. That's interesting, Pet, And then on us,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: let's see three three March fifty nine. He was promoted
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: back to private first class. In August seventeenth fifty nine,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Pet submitted a request for a dependency discharged by reason
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: of hardship on the part of his mother. Pett appeared
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: before the Hardship Dependency Discharge Board, who recommended that he
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: be released from active duty for reason of dependency APPR.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: So he did this on August seventeenth, nineteen fifty nine.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Less than a month later, on September the eleventh, he
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: was released from active duty in the Marine Corps on
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: a hardship discharge honorable, less than a month.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 7: Could it have been intentional, you think?
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: And this is after his mother's claim was settled and
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: the doctor says she's fine, she can work, she just
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 7: Maybe he needed another reason out for sure.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Well there was no other reason, that's the reason.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm saying he needed another excuse once the mother's
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: BS claim was kind of debunked.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Right, No, it had already been. It had already been
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: debunked by this time, by two months.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: Right, That's what I'm saying. So maybe he's now trying
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 7: something else.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: No's he's doing it, and they're letting him do it
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: because they didn't investigate it. If they would invest investigated
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: her claim at all, they would have seen that she
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: was not a hard you know, a hardship case. She's fine. Yeah,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: But they just granted him this release. That was very
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: rarely ever given. You have to prove that you know
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: a family member is in dire need you know, of
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: your presence, physical presence, because they could just say, okay,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: well she can't work, but you can send her money
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: and still be in the Marine Corps. You know what
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, she has to be like physically disabled
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: and need care.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: To do that, which makes you think you know, he was,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 7: you know, being like we talked about earlier, maneuvered in
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: some type of way, and Trey had a really good thing.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 7: I just caught pet equals petitioner.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: He thinks, Yep, you're right, Trey, and I'm an idiot.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: I didn't pick on that. I didn't pick up on
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: that either, So yeah I didn't. I was like, who's pet.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't either. You were on it like a hornet
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: tray as usual.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, sir.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Must be that Tree report coming out.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's what happens when you go to Streeport,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: you get a download.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe we need to make a you know,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: a trip.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, i'd be done. I don't have to convince me.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: I'll meet you at the Gay Nineties though.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you know, it's only a couple hours from Dallas.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 7: Maybe I'll take a road trip there at Lancer and
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 7: can bring Doug along.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: All Right, folks, that's about it for us this week.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: It's about time for Dean Andrews to grab his umbrella
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: and the horn section to start blowing us out of here.
• 1:54:20
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• 1:54:44
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• 1:55:03
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• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: Demi King Parish Prison.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 10: He did not talk for the record, but he said,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 10: come to Bourbon Street and I'll show you what I
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 10: think of the case being Parish prison.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: He did hold on time out before we take two. Joe,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: what in the hell are you doing over there?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: I was playing the trumpet?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: Is that what they call it? Is that what they
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: call it in New Orleans.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: Joe, that's what they do.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: It's a big man, mister Garrison.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: I'm thinking about Reveport in the gay nineties. What do
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 7: you want.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: Let's try that again. Dean id damn it.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 10: Hit it in perish prison. He dare not talk for
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 10: the record, but he said, come to Bourbon Street and
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 10: I'll show you what I think of the case. The
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 10: greatest lies are told in the name of truth. The
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 10: greatest crimes are committed in the name of justice. The
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 10: quotation is Jim Garrison's. It could be used for him
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 10: or against him in this strange case.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: Good Night, bi