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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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to it on radio train topic the term friend. Very, very good afternoon.
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We are starting a new day of plural construction. We did it already
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before the fact happened and it was superior. Some expected, not only at
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the federal capital level, with five hundred zero souls on the street, but
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also throughout the country, more than a million people of souls mobilized with Uruguayan,
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which was envisaged as a mass march. Well, Millake' s reaction
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is there in the afternoon. Zurdito is as always and today also responded on
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Twitter, guaranteeing University continuity. But of course, the issue is the budget.
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Then we' ll have to analyze trapisondas, see what kind of authorship
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Congress can do. But, well, there' s the reaction it evokes.
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We' re going to make everyone' s waime for the gualfe We
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' re going to search Kulio Burman today, which I hope I can locate.
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We can locate him. A little while Daniel Kepper will be our second
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voice in principle, if everything goes well, as I always say, and
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we will close with the prouar that he is speaking a little beyond the economy,
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the role, the Parliament, the Congress in Argentina, etcetera, etcetera,
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etcetera. Well, the day that started very cold in the morning and
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now it is around the integrated ones, almost as I say, what left
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this mobilization that was predicted strong, but it was the strongest truth of what
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was Entreveías. I recommend a note, a short circuit in the libertarian narrative
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Martín Rodríguez Lebra. You don' t write on page twelve, you don
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' t write on a middle left. They write in the nation. And
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it is a very good analysis that the colleague does there in the Journal,
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in the nation, my law before the incomunity of the complex phenomena, in
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a mixture of ideological prejudice and their emotional prophesy, prevented to see the President
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and the delicate fiber that touched when dealing with the national universities with the same
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narrative tools that gave him so good results with the political opposition. Public education
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still resists as a value of ecuhation to the Argentine society the power of the
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march. He shook a government in a legislative minority that weaves its power with
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the thread of public opinion. For me, law and priorities says Rodrigu and
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Carrier, and the nation is the macro and the street. In twenty-
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four hours he went from a national self- dressing festive chain as always on
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his first quarter chart, the bitterness of the first major show of public resistance
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his project. I' m telling you the production, because I' m
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reading in the poleros, the Whatsapps. If we' re in pulleys,
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with Burman, we' re going to plan Be and start with Keeper.
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What Kipper said. Now I remind you of the phone, because ki Pre
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was planned by Zoono in a little while. So you go right now we
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' re remembering Kiper' s phone and we start with the match set.
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Well, it' s getting to them then this and I repeat it'
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s not page twelve. It' s not a pro gramme in, it
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' s a half left. It' s page twelve interpreting a country pardon
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the nation, interpreting a little bit about yesterday. Not Martín Rodríguez and br
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a very good analyst. Miley applied the budget to the universities, the turbo
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of the blender to the fiscal rigor raised a personal vision that irritated even a
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part of those who elected him. With the illusion of reversing the economic collapse
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of the last Peronist administration. Burman tells me he' s already entertained.
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So if we can cut here but and locate Burman, let' s go
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back to Burman. Well, I don' t know you guys decide and
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come easy, but it' ll be one another. Let' s see
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where we start to see if it' s better with Burman and if we
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don' t see who' s online quí para o Burman, Julio,
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Burman, Julio, Good afternoon, how it goes Hello, Fernando Que.
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Such a good, very good, thank you, thank you for being there
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to watch us. Well to see first reaction to this that looked massive,
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but it seems to me that to a large extent, with five hundred and
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five hundred, zero souls in federal capital, made memoló another so much and
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surpassing the million in the whole country, because it also has fractistics. It
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was that it' s federal, let' s say yesterday' s protest,
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I mean within the foreseeable, but it even exceeded as if it were
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an evaluation in primary school, not exceeding expectations. I don' t think
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so, I think there was a different qualitative element aside, and that'
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s that he appeared as new people on the street. It is true that
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there were the sombers, say the opponents, the trade unionists, Tatia almeida,
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what do I know about the social movements. But beyond all that,
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there was a new 20- year- old kid, a lot of people
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who had marched for the first time in their lives, very kids who I
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think that was the really amazing thing, because there was a big opposition archo
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starring the UCR and crciarismo. It' s not surprising. Surprising that a
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new subject appears, who are in this case the boys afraid that they became
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the university, an exaggerated fear, but well it remained floating in the air
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and the government had great difficulty in visuading that fear was not effective in that
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communication and well, that mobilized new people. And against that the government cannot,
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that is, the official speech that the caste was on the street for
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the first time. I don' t think it works. There' s
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a new guy. Apart from this guy, it' s a vote.
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She was Miley' s voter. For example, Mira had never voted before.
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There were high school kids, there were kids who are newly admitted to
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the universities, who marched from the UNE student centers and well, maybe the
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universities are willing to make the kids go. It' s okay, but
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it' s not the same thing that I make you a teacher to be
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asked, Sergio Massa, Cristina kirser O Martín and Hustó. Those new people
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for me don' t have a political position yet. It will be more
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progressive, less to say what it is. But they are new people,
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new people who went out to march, not because they reached my law,
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but because good or not only proposed to my law, but because they felt
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affected by a policy and Emily who is clearly not an alienist. Going against
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the universities is not well seen. Universities are not between quotation marks and acastes
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for many people. So, I think that' s where my reading was
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different. Beyond how to really say the apparatuses of the radical left, Peronist,
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intent social moments. I say how much there is, let' s
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say suddenly Law in this sense and how much forgiveness and how much there is
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to march Antimiley beyond or as a compactor, as a uniting factor the public
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education, the defense, in the University of no forgiveness that to be repetitive.
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I deny that in yesterday' s march there were many politicized people that
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was there to make him do antimileism and that people who are clearly identified with
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existing actors, and maybe those people were most of that. But what I
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think is the new project was not to make antimileism, the new subject will
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make us antimileism or, in any case, a new form of anti-
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vileism that is not the same as that done by Cristina or that represented by
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people who believe that people are in the box, let' s say so.
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I don' t think this is the people in the box. He
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distinguished a little bit, it was already an anecdote, but the truth is
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that he does feel that he has so much to do with it is already
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in the middle. If we' re going back, I mean, cante
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peronista or guinerista? Yes, it was a success in the anecdote, but
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the box did add up to say almost. I think that if yesterday'
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s mark had been half the people, and but all those people were the
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ones who felt represented by the box, I was going yesterday to strengthen Miley,
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but the point was that, besides all that, there was something else.
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No, and that' s why goodefans do it, because I don
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' t think we know that yet. I remember, it' s not
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and that' s what we talked about in some previous program and that'
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s what you can really change a little bit the parallel to the thousand play,
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that appears a new subject, for example, I think we had said
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that other opportunity. It appears consumer and found that they cannot pass the circulation
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are mobilized. I think that' s what complicates them, no, because
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thousands face all the people who have been facing him for years not and now
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and who drives that, because you see is the issue and how much they
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will want to capitalize on the other political actors. Well, if someone can
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capitalize on it soon and drive it, it means that it didn' t
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fail, because the freshness of the new is that it doesn' t have
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how much for now after. Well, what do I know, for example,
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there we saw the escape girl Piera Fernández. If I' m not
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mistaken that a speech that was the best of yesterday and well, that'
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s what' s new. A c of twenty- two years, maybe
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radical cares, but it is not identified with anything we know that there is
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an articulated discourse where it exposed its reasons why it is angry with Millay.
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That' s new. Now, when a subject disappears, newer is what
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the militant gymnastics of the political party has, social moment, guilds, etcetera.
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When the government talks about phantom train and read comes out on Twitter which
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is the reaction that has had more than last night' s good thing that
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were the left- handed noble causes, dark motives, no, and that
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speaks well, they beat position, not emotional. The ghost train, the
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ordinary citizen it was or it wasn' t. It goes up how much
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this theory of my phantom train law goes up, how much the tree covers
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the forest let' s say how ultrarian ghost was what Miley had prepared to
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answer earlier. In fact, he' s waiting for this to look like
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this to pull out this twist to see it has before the fiber of the
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lion, with the lagmazur, etcetera. Today' s tweet, where it
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talks about some dark motives, is a little bit. The rectification is realizing
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that it wasn' t just having a ghost and that' s why he
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had to go out to make a tweet, a little more that is still
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the style of conmprotative law. But he realizes there' s something different.
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Not like he realized that it' s a problem that young kids appear who
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aren' t criterists and that I want or that they' re ready can
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directly or you know what chrislerism is that they come out to protest that they
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take away the law from the freshness of doing what' s new. No,
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because Law depends a lot on that. It is not almost his great,
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if not his great virtue. Let' s just say it like that.
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You want to make it more active, let' s say its greatest
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assets, we call it the yes, as it is the new, and
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you' re the oldest. Now yes, something new appears to him and
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suddenly he begins to grow old. There it' s fried and this reaction
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you see in the same way, because it' s actually a little what
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you' re saying my law is. Let' s look more at the
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Argol than the forest. Not noble causes, say, but there is still
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that who will not have said that in universities they will not close. I
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say not to see this is not the Inca, but if it definances it
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and it functions more or less complex, let' s say I don'
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t tell you. It' s just a re- sustaining, financing issue.
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I am philosophical, because he has spoken out against anything public and especially
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talked about brainwashing in the Union, especially in terms of university, public air
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term, education, university level and so on. I' m not saying,
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there' s no rechrification there beyond how you say another reading completing last
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night, but I think Miley' s college issue got complicated for good,
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because it' s going to take him a long time to turn the idea
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you just expressed that my law was found at the university. At this point.
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I don' t know what it' s gonna be like to turn
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this notion around, which is so pleased. I wouldn' t have one
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to see We' re gonna bitch pictures. It would have a way.
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What happens is that it goes against all of your ideology to finance to a
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large extent. I don' t say two hundred percent of last year'
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s inflation, but I don' t know how to give the fifty after,
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the eighty, that is to say, get something similar to inflation and
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not be tasteful. Of course that' s the problem. Not that I
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said we didn' t have to follow that many. We want seventy percent
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more for only ten percent of the process that is operational spending. Let'
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s say for the ninety that I spend salt and so on, which is
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the strongest. I' d have some way, but you' re not
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going to be fond of the preton and so on, not me either,
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but I' d have more, I' d have some hand, not
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either, and that' s it. He lost it, check it out.
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Crgyarism made more investment in defense than others in comparative terms, and yet
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it remained in the imaginary how the governments that opposed the military and the defense
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wanted there to be no army and an armed force. One can say that
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Crisionism did more than Macrism, which was even waved underwater, but still the
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images, which was very scanned. I think this image of you lying against
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the university. I don' t know what it should be. It should
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triple the budget, it would be the same to inugurate University. It should
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be a monumental effort to turn around. If only I want this notion,
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because it will not undertake that it will not not be able to do it
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and has neither money nor the energy to do so. This is a subject
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that we are seriously talking about in the middle of a fantasize, since the
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University is underfunded for decades and the University is maintaining no one, but we
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are having ourselves, the teachers, not charging anything. And that' s
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the college' s reality. There are no countries. Well, all right,
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you know, we agree. It can be financed. I can do
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one thing I say lost in terms of budget. But something else you freeze
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that says look. There' s the whole budget frozen, which is gonna
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give you the same thing as last year, which is a need. When
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I' d have to triple it, I mean, give two hundred percent
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more. Well, one thing is one thing. Again we can hit the
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dough and hit them together, because it doesn' t thin, because the
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educational investment dropped but another thing is to keep the budget freeze sofia ruin totally.
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I think that' s good there. The officialist argument is that the
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same freeze was suffered in all public entities. Therefore, that there is no
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policy find or. All right, but apologize for it It' s okay,
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but let' s see you say, we' re discussing amicably,
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there' s no disrespect. I' m going to say the university and
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thousands like it has the goal against it, but it' s broader,
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because it' s the education that didn' t put in the Pact more
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o. It' s like education doesn' t suck. And when we
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talk about country and future investments, what should be one of the notal axes
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even for the issue of social crime. Education is an issue that is not
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on Miley' s agenda at all, where students are alone in the macro.
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Totally good. But if we came up with this diagnosis and I don
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' t even want to be optimistic as a critic that I am of this
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government, as I was of the previous one, and the previous one my
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law is extremely complicated, because let' s say if it entered the bullet.
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On this side, they start going into the holes. It' s,
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I' m not saying it' s going to fall in two months
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or six, but I say it starts with this first marking, this first
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limit. He' ll be on a pretty complicated path. Me, but
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I' m telling you. I believe my law here lost a battle as
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ever. I mean, the issue that Miley' s going to be identified
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with a problem in public education, starting with college. I think it'
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s going to be irreversible. I think she' s already settled in and
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it' s going to happen to her with other things at a time when
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there' s a public health oak tree and she' s also going to
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be faced with something counting that already happened, something with the dengue salon away.
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Sea passed me huge day, but it happened just like that. The
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link is like we got lucky because it could have been worse. It'
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s half that the cold of the little ones got dead and well, but
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if the denga got worse and we have a Brazil type thing, well,
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there, he was also going to drop all the responsibility and index finger look
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at me I think he looks at for now the only thing that who is
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the subject of macroeconomic order and the subject of certain conservative values that my law
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astutely take advantage of and that for now no one is enjoying him and trying
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to interpret him. And this is a path because one thing begins to lose
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popularity. Dropping or again let' s say they made you, since leiber
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hit. Let' s say the hull of the north ship. I reiterate
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for the listener who wants to hear wrong. I' m not talking about
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two months in months, and it doesn' t fall very much. I
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am speaking to myself in terms of sustainability, governance or political power of the
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President, who know that nation is weak because of something institutional, Congress,
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our Governor, etcetera, etcetera. This is either a drip or an iberg
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that starts to mark a bit of a steepening of the power society gave it.
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I say to see a government that is based on public opinion, because
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perhaps it has no other. Okay. This is a drip we can if
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you can see. I don' t think I' ll see yet.
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I believe that public opinion in Argentina over the last thirty years is dominated by
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economics. Corruption made it. They are the three gras, the theme of
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public opinion, the themes of the State service, public health, public education.
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Fundamentally, these two social security are not part of it, not because
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they are not at the centre of people' s daily lives, but because
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it is a subject that politics lost them. Policy is not evaluated. So,
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if there' s a transformation, I don' t know. I
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don' t think so. I believe that the state of the situation of
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the other three points is so dramatic that in politics it will continue to get
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away with it and prevent a president from being played for education or health.
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That' s why I think all of this damages the idea that my law
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builds the issue of public and public education, but I don' t think
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anyone will dent him in his leadership, which is based on other issues.
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On the other hand, I also could not ask what presidents have to do
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with universities or that they have to go presidents with the sequels, because in
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reality what this is going on is July. It' s the bottom line,
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because I agree how people, Doña Rosa, as Neuta said, care
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about pocket, inflation, insecurity, corruption. But of course, if the
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educational issue is a problem that stems from a budgetary adjustment and so on,
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we are again talking about silver. Let' s say yes, but there
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I can' t say the subject of the Ministry, of the Ministry of
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Song, that it no longer exists, that he also dropped it or chance
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and is inside human capital. No, no, but this one was more
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complex. I mean, I' m not saying that these aren' t
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very important issues for people in their lives. Of course, it doesn'
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t fit the political agenda, a reason that is very complex. If you
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want to read now to discuss it, but not between the political agenda.
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It should go in part, it doesn' t come in because Argentina'
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s governance is fragmented, that people are not clear if that is the issue
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of the President, the Mayor, the Governor or the Congress and, in
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fact, the President doesn' t run any schools and no universities, but,
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well, somehow it touches him on putting the budget, which is not
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the President' s issue either, but well I' m very complicated.
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The evaluation is almost published by the presidential responsibility. What is true is that
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economics and corruption are issues that hit the Chief President directly. I am not
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surprised because I have costers yourself not also those political consultant, not sensitive on
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costador also and some there are serious and others there are not. I'
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m not gonna be a name anyway, but he called me a few more.
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He didn' t call me that close. Attention to your colleague say
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that God has recently been working for government. He gave numbers surprisingly too favorable.
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You say. Well, now you start talking about this one more to
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see. I want to see social. I want to see exactly what second.
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Today the economic recession, which is inflation at a turn, is more
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worrying. Apparently, according to this political consultant, colleague of yours in a
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change, this is beginning to be so. Inflation is not that it stopped
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being a problem, much less, but of course it begins to compartmentalize with
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the issue of recession. Eventually, employment is the real wage, etcetera,
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etcetera, etcetera, because this would already be more complicated for libertarian management.
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The issue of employment, the issue of poverty, is beginning to begin a
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recession, which seems to me to be a good concept. Yes, you
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would have to reinterpret the term of employment and it could be real as you
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want to see, less sale, less real less changa. If you want
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to see it, I won' t be able to have four changas and,
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instead of being fours, one per day or two. And there,
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well, you either have income or you have a job, but you have
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less real income. Let' s say yes, it can' t be
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what this interviewee says. I believe that what does not change is that concerns
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go through the economic, that is, the whole case, move from prices
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to employment. But well, it' s a little bit the same person
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as looking at another side of the same thing, because deep down, it
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' s all the deterioration of the quality of life, one thing if you
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can say for sure, because there, yes, the answer to it is
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that people are pefinistic about their personal economic situation. And it is that,
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besides, what happens is that lying popular. In spite of that, what
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happens is that this concept was something favorable at first that they are succeeding in
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slowing down with their most summary inflation. This is changed by some more social
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look, more from the direct pocket, real wage or poverty, there is
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the great asset. What are the assets of myla and some stability. One
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in principle will see how much we will see that stag in six, seven
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or five one of those prayers of blessing and then, good more for technicians,
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the super- habires, in prosecutors, twins, commercials, etcetera.
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Now, if this also starts to contemporaneousize the issue of poverty, the topic
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employs general income, already changes the agenda a little or modulates, balances,
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let' s say no, and that would be worrying for him. Now,
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in the administration of President I say yes, yes, yes, that
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' s not it? We' re not getting out of the usual.
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I mean, Miley has a problem with people' s satisfaction, with their
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everyday economy, and that' s very clear and it' s not going
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to change all year, if it changes next year. I also believe that
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the real assets of my law are, on the one hand, that if
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you see it with value that fights inflation and, on the other, that,
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if you see it with someone who represents more conservative values and the social
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ones that were being sued my law, it is someone who likes in a
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part of Argentina, who is representing us to no one, who is the
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people who are against abortion, the people who go to the Church on Sundays.
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Ro no, no, but he didn' t get to represent that.
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I' m the pro- I voter I' ve been following him
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for a while. I didn' t feel like he represented those values.
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I do not think that the boot of the project was Mama Christi and bulrrista
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that the resitist Vialista at the time, ran more to the right to the
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pro and together to speak than the agenda of the space itself. It seems
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to me and there was a lot more voter than the pro that should have
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run to a sort of center in some ways together for the change, actually
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it was run by right agenda by good parts, I don' t know
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if the majority, but a good part of its sympathizers or adherents. No.
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But Patricia Buls, who was the pro' s face in the last
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elections, had been doing it to her since before, does not represent values.
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It represents the issue of itself the police in the street, but it
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did not represent the issue of being inclusive language to you. I am against
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abortion, a set of issues that is my law. For the first time
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in forty years I have represented weight that you had many Argentines in that line.
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I think it' s also part of what Miley has. Politics is
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over represented by atheists and progressives, things that happen to us in other countries,
25:07
where politicians account for that popular conservatism that remains an important number. In
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Argentina, the culture of hiercerism, radicalism and pro did not represent that that
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Milady lives. A little thought my law has it for that profile with Miley.
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It' s a five- piece apa They don' t see it
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with that profile. But still, my law managed to represent something that,
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for example, in Brazil Bolsonaro paid them very well Julio. Thank you as
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always, please, once you open hours later or bur vanle chicken logo here
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in plural construction. I' m going to see Daniel Kepper' s pause.
25:48
He tells me he' s already in the sum, so we'
25:48
ll see if we can locate him or he' s waiting for the P
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S After the break we' re with Kepper and after TIPER we' re
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with two lawyers from Kipra to Dr Wharetti to close the program. We remind
26:07
you that you can find us on social networks, on our website, where
26:11
we extend our journalistic work. We find ourselves on Twitter under the Nick Arroba,
26:15
Instagram approaches, fer M two thousand twenty- two, firmn de farmoury
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the best meat in the world and enjoy it with family and friends. Okay,
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well, here we are going to chat about fifteen minutes with Daniel keper
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Daniel good afternoon, how he' s doing, good afternoon smitten how you
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' re doing Boro before he was left in some doubt with the super classic.
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The bar beyond being wrong, played better than River, made things better
27:07
and saw him win. In my opinion, River played badly. It is
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true that the bar is a roleon of the edge because the ball had entered
27:22
in your totality and as some images show us that buste technology of falcon eye
27:29
as you wear tennis, and that in truth the arbitrary boat unjust and hurts
27:36
the silence of the leaders of River that, unlike the president, the Barcelona
27:41
port that has requested all the videos and all the audios of a game that
27:48
played with Real Madrid, where also the null new gors In your opinion,
27:52
the leaders of River dutifully opt for the silence. Why there' s silence,
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it' s Rier, because they don' t care, they don
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' t care. They' re your report, they' re not interested,
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they' re not made to River you' re afraid of an answer.
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They all say they have no leadership experience. They came to office from
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business and commercial companies, owner of a bank, the Vice President is an
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airport manager. In other words, they are linked to other types of activities.
28:38
They don' t know what passion for football is, they' re
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actually changing passion. They don' t know what a stadium is. They
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' re transforming our stadium, which was a sports complex, into a shopping
28:52
mall with everything that this implies. The members do not plant as clients,
28:56
but as owners of the club, because we, through generations, built it
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and made gymnasium, cages, spaces of recreation for the people, of transformations
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of education and today are commercial structures. They' re arming, not that.
29:15
Unfortunately, there came a conception, this totally different diligence and in order
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not to be questioned, they choose not to question. Clen that silence guarantees
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them not to question them. They criticize us and maybe you' re right,
29:36
because there are very few voices that rise. Maybe I' m the
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only one. But well, you ask questions that I give my opinion,
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well, I yesterday the truth of the few times I don' t good,
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I don' t have a daily par subscription. I don' t
29:52
usually participate much in marches. Well, obviously, human rights issues hit you
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and if it could have been yesterday I was about to participate. I'
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ve longed for my daughter' s health theme on Sunday, so we'
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re going, in fact, the three of us as a family. I
30:03
just didn' t go to the game. I' m asking if it
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was. And well that as a coloring to analyze a little the crowd and
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feds, highlighting that it happened across the country more than a million souls on
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the street. He asked him what Daniel did first analysis in spirit. I
30:21
was in the body, not because you' ll remember that I was traveling,
30:26
returning to the country. I didn' t remember, not remembering the
30:30
march, not picking up the march. It lived well, well, well
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obviously it is important the attendance of the people, but it seems to me
30:41
that I, in the analysis, would do it in a different way than
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the one I hear in the media. The media basically analyzes the predence of
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the mass march and would like to analyze the attitude of the government, basically
31:00
that it is developing a systematic attack on the culture note, which is not
31:07
only to finance public education, but also other forms and cultural expressions, the
31:15
attack on cinema and different wills that are important to our society and obviously,
31:23
it is not a planto beyond that they present it of an economic or budgetary
31:30
nature. Why the impact on the national budget of both public education and film
31:37
or other areas of culture. It' s minimal. Let us remember that
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for many years now men of culture have been calling for an increase in the
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budget precisely because of the little that is received for this type of need.
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Well, here, I' m sorry, there, I' m interrupting,
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I' m quitting. That' s what I get like always a
32:05
little with the vote to the devil and I' m so far away to
32:07
defend my life. There what they' re going to say is we can
32:09
do everything, we can provincial transfer, lipo, we' re going to
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retire, we can do the public work that was even being done. Well,
32:15
they all have to fall for the law, then we' ll discuss
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it at the university. It just doesn' t have to do. Obviously,
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I don' t think so, but he' s going to tell
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you we can do that, how we' re going to moor it,
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some culture, some film, etcetera, etcetera. It has to govern a
32:28
little the same conception and philosophy they will say for all good. Let us
32:35
clarify that one of the basic functions of the State is education. This seems
32:38
to me to be indelible and they are not pruning in the same way in
32:45
all areas. How to say no in the end, because it is spending
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you on weapons, for example, that it seems to me that it is
32:54
one of the most distant needs of the Argentine subsiedad. The purchase of aircraft
32:59
is a difficult expense to explain especially when it comes to obsolete technology, because
33:06
it is from the 1980s these planes that are buying and it is an important
33:10
shot in which it is spent. But I think I insist that it is
33:15
not a government budget issue to attack culture, but an ideological issue, because
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what culture implies and what stadium it is in the university, in Argentina.
33:30
Culture has a critical view of social life, of social structure. And this
33:39
critical view is what bothers them, because there are two ways to educate and
33:45
I' m going to sit down, if you will allow me, some
33:50
examples to crify the idea. For example, to tame my pets, whom
33:55
we sometimes listen to in these conversations we hold. I turn to César Millán,
34:04
the famous mascot instructor we drink on television, and he teaches how to
34:15
make pets obey. No, obviously, they don' t encourage critical thinking.
34:23
They are promoting the freedom and independence of pets, but a simple attitude
34:30
of obedience to make living with pets more enjoyable for us with people. On
34:40
the other hand, other types of training, education, are sought. We
34:45
want the person to be free and for this he must have a critical thought
34:52
that allows him to place himself in his society, in the role he is
34:57
playing in that society, in observing the s that make his individual, social
35:05
and overall growth of the structure. And this is what we want to avoid
35:09
the critical thinking that in the current stage of the University is certainly impossible to
35:19
reverse. Today the University has a critical thought and this is what bothers the
35:24
current Government. It draws him into the ideological question he observed behind this attack
35:35
on culture and here we can remember another educator, who is the Blasilero Paulo
35:40
Freire, who marked precisely these two different ways of educating, Educating for freedom
35:47
or educating to obey. Milike believes that you have to educate to obey,
35:53
or how you can' t do this in the current stage of culture.
35:58
Their first education and thus does not speak free men, but will be dependent
36:04
on the social and structural factors that condition them. And we want education,
36:12
which is education to encourage critical thinking and it follows an instrument for each of
36:17
us to reach a level of freedom. Without education, there is no right
36:27
freedom. Finally, how you have seen the Milay' s reaction since the
36:31
reference to the left- handed today with the Twiths. I think it'
36:35
s a little too much. What are you waiting for? Let' s
36:37
say the government raises the bet beyond what it claims to have some pragmatic gesture,
36:42
to take a step back. So I just pointed out how I use
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the thing. Well, I understand the conception, I usually share several things
36:52
that aren' t here is freedom or obeying is in ideological gestures. No,
36:55
of course, we already put it on Twitter, but I also say
37:00
the politician and Milike is too, although he doesn' t want to see
37:01
it that way. That' s vow mouth. There we have the prepaid,
37:05
his pragmatism against all his ideas. I understand philosophy, but good code.
37:09
The rulers are also pragmatic in the new cases, because in that context
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let us say the question, but precisely because of what I have just pointed
37:20
out, because it is an issue that essentially makes their ideology, I think
37:24
it will redouble the bet, that it will not trigger Triffs. Obviously he
37:30
' s going to try to disguise his policy with excuses of another kind,
37:37
from the economic argument, in which I don' t believe by what I
37:45
said until those who marched yesterday are expressions of ideologies different from those of education.
37:51
Obviously there was a crowd and in that crowd people of all lines of
37:54
thought is to think that everyone is leftist, that all John Marxist. And
38:01
even more serious And graver still to think that those who are Marxists are Marxists
38:07
of shit, as he says left- handed of shit, as the President
38:12
says, It is a grave thought precisely to the freedom to think that we
38:21
have every citizen, that is, the ideas of the other are sheltered,
38:25
reputed, not silenced and the President, with each of his apparitions it is
38:32
late to silence the ideas of others. In Milay never discussed. The one
38:38
who owns the truth expresses his thought and always tries to silence the one who
38:46
tries to mark mistakes or mark an alternative path. Otherwise, what is done
38:52
at the university. In the University one dialogues, one listens, one reflects
38:58
together. There is not one who knows and another who learns from the one
39:05
who knows, but there is a reciprocal feeding product of critical thinking. And
39:10
this, to my law is very clear. This is what he wants to
39:14
attack. Daniel bus communication' s been cut. We didn' t listen,
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I didn' t thank you very much. I say a hug and,
39:27
as I say, you know I put a little bit in the devil
39:29
' s voice. I share and think several of its definitions are good,
39:32
for example, that there is an ideological and not budgetary conception of my law
39:37
in philosophy. Thank you very much, Daniel, No, please, a
39:40
big arm, big hug fran give him kiper here in plural construction, we
39:45
are seeing to locate for these last twenty minutes the Doctor Whoresti. I share
39:50
a hundred by five, kiper understand me that in order to enrich, obviously
39:55
talks the debate good I take argument from the other side, because if we
40:00
are not all bored and coincide, Daniel, that great what he says is
40:04
good measure, I share to a large extent in this case, but it
40:07
is well, we try to throw the look from the other side to see
40:12
info A actualizo thousand thirty- five. In light and variants. The Government
40:13
will seek to agree on audits with the universities that respond to everything according to
40:19
the work of the General Authority of the Nation, which reports to the Congress
40:21
of the Nation. There' s no executive. That' s where the
40:24
legislator is involved, which Dr Baresti is going to want to talk about in
40:28
a second about the role of the legislature in Argentina and propose that a neutral
40:32
technical body intervene. Well, there' s the argument. It affects university
40:34
autonomy, et cetera, et cetera. INFOAE says in his most important homentito
40:39
in the rose admitted that the demonstration was a strong political setback and will seek
40:44
revenge against the opposition parties that joined critics of as I say, the agn
40:47
and the audit evaluate to propose at the next meeting of the National Inter-
40:53
Anniversary Council that intervene the sign Good there will not have number. Let'
40:57
s say unusual this pretense, but good is political and good will have to
41:00
see what the official Pedro Sánchez can achieve. This is a title of the
41:05
hour in Spain. The Great Pedro Sanchez, good judgment, more than selling
41:07
many mistakes and lices. He analyses his resignation from the Presidency, the Government
41:13
for the complaints against his wife, if he comes, announcing for trading in
41:15
influence, publicly denouncing, not in the justice system. But there is some
41:20
prosecutor who took some bed cut in the matter, in one case, in
41:23
the matter in Madrid, and we will see the light suspended agenda until Monday,
41:27
but Sanchez to make a decision that would be a hecatomb of this height
41:30
in Spanish politics because it has not been so resilient. He has fought so
41:34
hard who was not this moment where some could eventually start throwing away the towel.
41:37
Let' s hope about the political games as well. This is a
41:40
nice book fair. One day before the opening, they see the crisis and
41:45
hope and say FOAE collective strike. The meeting began between the useful and the
41:49
companies that seek to reach an agreement to avoid the measure of the bunk.
41:52
Tomorrow I hope not, but we can run out of collectives. Well,
42:00
well, hello, I' m still going over Javier Miley. Let'
42:04
s go to Teles I said something on Twitter. We' re not going
42:07
to guarantee you funds for the universities, and we' re going to audit
42:10
how they' re used. The issue is not in principle, the government
42:13
can only ubigate through the legislature, which we are also going to the shock
42:17
and we are going to guarantee the funds. You see it here. But
42:20
if there is a philosophy of going against education, debate, critical thinking,
42:23
well they have already sold them that we have also talked to Julio Burman before
42:28
with Dr Keeper. They have already sold from the government that they already gave
42:32
in the fair budget, when it has only to do with ten percent of
42:37
the total expenditure budgeted per year, which has to do with current expenses,
42:40
toilet paper service, which was not with the ninety percent that corresponds to salary
42:45
to the Sararian mass of teachers, which later will have to see, as
42:49
we said this one, discuss things and they are charged to the students tranjeros.
42:52
Or we don' t discuss some issues with regard to months of dialogue,
42:58
if there are too many teaching staff who don' t think otherwise or
43:00
charge from the little bit, if there is some work with the photocop obviously
43:04
that serves and loot, in part for radicalism. And this is so good,
43:07
if you can disassemble some kind of two things, welcome, but not
43:08
with those excuses let' s say obviously give it the subject of education,
43:15
in this case of public university, which is a right for all, even
43:20
especially for the worlds. Labor reform, the keys to the project that the
43:23
government sent and that changed with respect to Denebus. Well, I don'
43:30
t know what' s going on with the doctor. This one I'
43:32
m gonna send a batch. In any case, Juan can send a batch.
43:36
He' s in good shape, or he' s there. Well,
43:38
let' s go to a batch. He tells me, I don
43:40
' t love it with gualente, because in the end, again not out
43:44
of responsibility our construction pruel, but we won' t have time to talk
43:45
with him. Well, let' s go to the batch and see what
43:47
happens. With quarantine we remind you that you can find us on social networks,
44:04
on our website, where we extend our journalistic work. We found ourselves
44:07
on Twitter, under Nick Arroba, on Instagram. Fer M two thousand twenty
44:13
- two. Ferm de Fermaury two thousand twenty- two and, as always
44:17
where we upload audios of the program analysis of columnists specialists, our website is
44:27
a good one, blogspot approaches, com ar so fan of meat, vaccine
44:35
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44:39
prepare the best meat in the world and enjoy it with family and friends.
44:52
Well, for now we don' t have Wares who don' t understand
44:55
that no good, bad luck. Wait till you see. Let' s
45:00
put audio of Rockman, Alejandro rock Let' s calm, quiet, put
45:02
the ball, we have albio Rocfman. Well, let' s put on
45:05
a Rockman audio. We talk private online. We see what happens you tell
45:08
me about whatsapp what happens to Warett and from there I give you instructions to
45:13
the production now, so let' s calm down with a Rockman audio and
45:15
see how we' re going to listen then to Alejandro Rockman. Tomorrow we
45:20
will enter the closing of the week with Gustavo Ferrari Pazonson and with Camilo tic
45:22
we correlamamos with Rocfan and continue until five in the afternoon here in plural construction.
45:30
Tapa again speaks to Alessandro Roffman like every week. In reality there is
45:35
nothing new under the sun and what there is again confirms how bad we had
45:39
already marked in the profile of the rock development of the Argentine economy and its
45:45
social consequences. It' s been over four months. You' re falling
45:51
apart. There is not a single encouraging sign, It does not review numbers,
45:58
It will find only very violent falls of productive activity, spectacular, gold
46:06
processes that the real wage, the income of informal formal workers appeared again of
46:15
the phenomenon of unemployment. The official record, for example, of the employment
46:23
registered in the sects Secretariat of Labor of the Nation marks that in January the
46:29
registered employment has gone back zero comma five percent. This implies a protested annual
46:38
drop of names of 6% and, therefore, a strong uppour that the
46:45
rate of carelessness of the entire year two thousand twenty- four persists in the
46:52
current conditions in which the economy develops. What to tell them. I don
47:00
' t have anything. Unfortunately, well, everyone in this territory is the
47:04
one with the pleasant news expectations for the future. We already had the experience
47:08
of the Macria government that its vice president insisted that he saw the light at
47:14
the end of the tunnel and never appeared. On the contrary, at the
47:17
end of the tunnel in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the collapse was significant.
47:22
And in this cycle, again of extreme rampant neoliberalism, we have acts
47:30
that produce international organizations that do not lie that they do not draw information.
47:37
In November last year, the Monetary Fund had planned a growth of two comma
47:43
five percent for that year, along with an infractional process, I would have
47:47
to be around seventy percent. These data that I knew in November, the
47:53
FBI, in its periodic review at the global level, strongly indicate that it
48:00
does not forget in a borderline situation or on the edge of the abyss,
48:06
as the current President said, nor a profect inflationary empire in cerdes. This
48:10
is all a lie today. He lies excitedly saying that a disaster was going
48:16
to occur when the world' s leading financial agency, a month before the
48:22
change of mandate, told them for that year a relatively favorable behavior. I
48:29
have said now in the last report of the Fund, a few days ago,
48:35
I calculated a two- point fall of eight percent in the product of
48:38
an inflation rate of one hundred and fifty percent. I believe that it has
48:43
fallen short of both values, but obviously, the disaster was installed by this
48:50
government, which did not come as an inheritance from the previous one. According
48:52
to the data of the International Monetary Fund, and this precise moment that the
49:00
economic evolution in its last indices shows, for example, that the first in
49:05
Argentina in the month of barzo sold twenty- two percent less physical goods of
49:12
last year' s construction. In February this year it dropped by forty percent
49:19
that salaries have been de- erorized in real terms by twenty- three percent
49:23
and did not follow to not deepen discouragement. As the beautiful Brazilian samba said,
49:30
sadness has no end. Poverty, as we put it, is calculated
49:38
by institutions of the UCA, the Catholic University, the Catholic University of Argentina
49:45
or the Institute of Litera. Both and university instructions that reconfigure a vision of
49:52
consistent with the light of the economic right, mark a very strong train of
50:00
poverty between the third trimester and the fourth of last year that of the first
50:07
of this there are more than three million new poor, according to the data
50:13
of the University of Itera. In such an ugly picture, there are initiatives
50:23
that have neither feet nor heads completely crazy, such as the purchase of the
50:28
antechous planes from Denmark that were manufactured in nineteen hundred and eighty, more than
50:34
forty years ago, with technology that no longer exists, let us imagine that
50:39
a car manufactured in one thousand nine hundred and thirty. Today your engine has
50:42
nothing to do with the technical profile with which you are updated. It serves
50:46
as an instrument to show in a museum, but no one can learn absolutely
50:52
anything from it and seven hundred million dollars have been spent on an unusable purchase.
50:57
Who knows who the real ones were is the district. All right,
51:04
all right, it hits me, all right I can do it. We
51:07
are now moving in the last seven minutes of today' s program to see
51:09
what convening power the marxino has. Not good, because there we see me
51:13
with left- handed tears. Not like society is back. It wasn'
51:16
t all freedom and it was liber facha and now we' re all left
51:20
- handed. The middle doesn' t exist. This is libertarian, right
51:23
- wing or left- wing guinnerist. Left- handed face. What reading
51:28
we have that reading the President is just doing it for a little bit of
51:31
strength between his now weakened militancy, the minimilay. But the truth is that
51:37
he got hit to be bigger than expected. So was the good definition of
51:40
equipment because it' s a philosophical theme, it' s a single theme.
51:44
Of course, we are about ten minutes away from channelling politics with the
51:50
political sectors without causing new leadership. But this, that' s the only
51:53
thing that gives don patchas air to my law for now, but obviously,
51:57
from this it' s complicated. One begins to see consultants, as I
52:00
mentioned in the talk with Julio Urban, who work for the government, who
52:04
take him poll, are God who give him good when the real thing today
52:06
is mimito gloves of total half fifty and Torico Aburel I will put a name
52:12
that says today worries more the economic recession than the class. Then we'
52:16
re turning around. They are going to begin to accommodate the drawings of the
52:20
numbers that gave him fifty- seven percent and that give him my positive image
52:22
law and allow him to say that today he would win in the first round
52:25
and have more votes than a few months ago. Well, nothing to do
52:30
with it. The drip has been slow if you take into account the terrible
52:32
just that implemented a you that had to make a change, that you had
52:37
to enter Argentina. But not this adjustment, not this good change thousand has
52:39
lost him in fusion. Before I adjust little, if you want to see
52:43
it. But today we are in fifty to fifty. What happens is that
52:45
the other fifty is obviously part of Peronism, another part of the center.
52:49
And whatever it is, there' s no one. We are not on
52:51
a scale, we are in two political spaces. It' s a life
52:54
I' m going to tell you we already left the game without a SRP
52:58
PoTA p or t CR of the eighties and supporter. We leave the biscoalitionist
53:02
game of Peronism or Gynerism, a quinerist Peronist against this one together for change,
53:08
we leave that armada, those political frameworks that are sides. It wants
53:15
to look like this and the system with the Tronomilay was devastated and jumped everywhere.
53:20
Beyond these tribes. Miley Stemirak, who has denied that laliquation is part
53:24
of the adjustment that speaks more of botocierra with two lies totally lies a Milay
53:31
indubitably very worried and the plast because he doubled the pencil expenses. All Parrary
53:37
boln are here that tomorrow with us to recover time lost, because I cannot
53:39
be told by last week told us that he understands that there is how to
53:44
see the subject of terrorism, the topic the cypula border and will breed it
53:46
as Olivia. Well, that' s where you have to have more spending
53:50
on intelligence, but well, you say you give it all this military spending.
53:52
In some things there is money and in another I do not share.
53:55
I also invite you to google. The ideological and the sacred a note from
54:00
Panama magazine a few days ago Panama Magazine. The ideological and the sacred.
54:05
A president who doesn' t get involved in managing and blind lay people who
54:07
live in the macro. But living in the macro is not seeing the micro.
54:10
From afar, you don' t see, you don' t see
54:15
a factory and you don' t know the productive sectors. Everything happens in
54:16
the plane of Platonic ideas, where the real is not concrete. They never
54:21
remember that there with Juan we put much that opening of Tato Bores that says
54:23
yes sees the future of everyone. We make the effort, the sacrifice for
54:27
the future. The future never comes good, something like that. This was
54:29
written on April 20th is a few days Juan de Loreto, very good analysis
54:34
in Panama on this website Panama Magazine if To plays to fuck on Monday in
54:39
the speech, for me an opportunity to lose the president hand of the two
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cars or the autobombo supradi fiscales, Toto Caputo, who passed criminal to patriots
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according to him, not good in that chain speech that tried to break in
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little the march and without any tie. Once again, now a thousand can
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' t claim anything. Okay. Let' s not ask him what such
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a thing, because he never had empathy. Okay. If you' re
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going to keep this violent without empathy for society, well, you' re
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going to have a lot of, a lot of problems. There was no
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sor you presented in that speech. The President had said a little ago with
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Alejandro Fantino, a mercenary colleague, another one what the gaffy says not this
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subject of control is international, on the subject of the target of money.
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He doesn' t give a damn and that' s why he' s
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called then geniuses and patriots to the entrepreneurs who evade. So, when you
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read interpretations that say that Miley represents with his most anorcous and capitalist dog a
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process of his national organization and dissolution, you just have to agree less badly
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that you didn' t see that find yesterday the anti- fiction operation clearly
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turns it on tipi that is fine. We had to put Burrich on the
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street or on the border, but well, that can be done for very
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small demonstrations, for lie Ga to is of the street or some thousands,
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but program of sensation of this medium. A million more people go down on
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the city street yesterday. The data that the Diario de la Nación tells us
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today tells us paged four hundred and thirty zero people. He technically calculated the
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nation under technology. Well, a protocol with Burris' s, which is
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an over pathetic state. Well, it' s definitely sidelined. It'
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s totally sidelined. Eduardo Feinman, who critic of gosa, also acted as
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a presidential ballacero for official of these days spoke a loan private entities because the
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government without dollars, which does not want to give him the fund will also
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have problems of the algonomic hundred dollars and raise the SECO and improve a little
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to te. The economy is still in trouble, it' s in trouble
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everywhere. This means that my layman is going to have a crisis in popularity
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and fall in two months. Not what you want in this is not going
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to happen, but well it bothers a lot of things in the caputo toto
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of I have come in a libertarian ideology. A full spoke this criminal.
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He' s a tantrum whose business is affected by the universities of a brazen
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guy, who' s a criminal and who' s played money. Promised
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to play money. Vo said Marcos Novarros recently in tn someone who could share
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a certain logic. Well to look Social- Democrat and we said this all
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very critical of the note in tnes. Marco Novaro, our former collaborator to
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Miley, does not rent it at all calculations or hawks. For moments to
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remember Galtieri and his most famous sentence, the doubt in the bragging of the
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intellectuals, because he kama doubted, advanced, receded, disproved erases with his
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elbow what he wrote with his hand and goes forward again, but always run
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over her without thinking too much. That seems to be help. Well,
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we' re saying goodbye. We meet tomorrow, as I say here,
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at four o' clock in the afternoon. We couldn' t have this
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one and if we were very well to Burman, if we were very well
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to the doctor in the kipper, tomorrow with taste Ferreri voluso il corne,
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we will be at four in the afternoon. Thank you, Silvia, thank
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you Juan, who worked outstandingly today. Thank you so much. Rivere'
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s down on the weekend, defeated Lorenzo in the Liberator is last in his
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group. We' re not gonna fix that better. We don' t
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talk better. And he debuted a new technician, not the Pipio Romaniuel.
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The technician is acting. I don' t know the truth that it'
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s not good. We' ll see this one goes to us. Thank
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you, Thank you, great plural construction led by Fernando Mauri, by Radio Trentopic