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Dirty Rush: Reality Stars in Sororities with Cindy Cullers from The Golden Bachelor · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
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  Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.
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  Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, guys, welcome back to another episode of Dirty Brush. Today,
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  Speaker 3: I am joined I have very special guests who knows
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  Speaker 3: a thing or two about sorority life at a big
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  Speaker 3: Southern school, just like me. She's a proud sorority alum
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  Speaker 3: turned sorority mom, just like me, and you may also
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  Speaker 3: recognize her from the latest season of The Golden Bachelor.
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  Speaker 3: Sydney Cullers, Welcome to Dirty Ry.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome Dirty Rush. What a salacious name is not
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  Speaker 1: the best, It's totally the best. It gives us permission
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  Speaker 1: to talk openly and.
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  Speaker 3: Freely, well because it's Rush, as we both know, can
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  Speaker 3: be good and dirty.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I'm I already introduce you as going
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  Speaker 3: to a big Southern school. Tell everybody, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: where you are.
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  Speaker 1: I live currently in downtown Austin the University of Texas,
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  Speaker 1: which is where you went to school. That's right. I
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  Speaker 1: went to school north of here in Dallas at SMU.
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  Speaker 1: I was a Delta Gamma at SMU.
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  Speaker 3: Crowd gig, you know we've talked to a lot of
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  Speaker 3: SMU sorority girls, and I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 3: as intense when you were there.
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  Speaker 2: We I think we're probably around the same age here.
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  Speaker 3: I might be a little older, but these girls go
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  Speaker 3: through it now at SMU.
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  Speaker 1: Even back in the day. So I was there before
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  Speaker 1: we had the death I was actually there when we
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  Speaker 1: had the death penalty. I was cheering for SMU when
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  Speaker 1: we went through the death penalty, and that really changed
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  Speaker 1: sororities a little bit, well, actually a lot. When I
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  Speaker 1: was there. Eighty percent of the people who could rush
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  Speaker 1: did rush, So it was heavily panelytic. If you weren't
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  Speaker 1: part of the Greek system, you just like you just
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  Speaker 1: were in the absolute minorities. So or an athlete what okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just going to ask you. I should know
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. But when you say the death penalty,
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  Speaker 1: explain that our football team got penalized and we were
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  Speaker 1: pretty much picked. It's like a house being kicked off campus.
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  Speaker 1: Our athletic system got shut down, our football system got
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  Speaker 1: shut down, and we weren't able to play football or
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  Speaker 1: give scholarships for quite some time. And we're now back.
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  Speaker 1: But you know football at SUMU, we were top ten.
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  Speaker 3: I know out there, yep. I was going to say
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  Speaker 3: to our listeners. A lot of our listeners relate to that,
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  Speaker 3: some don't. But football is the thing, and.
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  Speaker 1: In the South it was. And you know what's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: You know you have a campus where your stadium is
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  Speaker 1: virtually on campus. Ours wasn't. We played at Cowboys Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: so the stories and fraternities would bust the people over
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  Speaker 1: for the games, which made it even more of a
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  Speaker 1: social outing. So football was kind of real cornerstone and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of what we did.
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  Speaker 3: So tell us a little bit about your rush process.
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  Speaker 2: Did you rush first or second semester?
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  Speaker 1: SMU has a SMU had a spring rush. I think
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  Speaker 1: they've now moved to a fall rush. My first year
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  Speaker 1: as a freshman, I had was in my friend's wedding
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  Speaker 1: from high school. She got married that January, so I
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  Speaker 1: was not able to attend rush. So I went through
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  Speaker 1: as a sophomore, so which made it a little bit
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  Speaker 1: unique for me.
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  Speaker 2: I think, well, we have a lot in common.
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  Speaker 3: I went through as a junior actually because I transferred
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  Speaker 3: to UT transferred.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting where'd you transfer from? I transferred Boston University okay.
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  Speaker 1: Boston University was another one of my alternatives.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I don't know I went. I grew up.
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  Speaker 3: I went to high school in Houston, and all of
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  Speaker 3: my friends were like, we're going out of state. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why, because UT is just the best. SMU
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  Speaker 3: is such a great school. There are so many great
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  Speaker 3: schools in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, we're gonna have to hang. I'm from Houston too, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 1: common No, I'm from up north in the Styx.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, you do have a lot in common, all right,
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  Speaker 3: So well tell me a little bit so right, So
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  Speaker 3: it was different.
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  Speaker 2: So freshman year, you were making friends.
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  Speaker 3: You were not in a sorority, but you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: guessing that you were making friends and finding your place.
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  Speaker 1: Right, making good friends. You know, if you rush in
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  Speaker 1: the spring, there are a lot of restrictions on what
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  Speaker 1: parties you can go to. And I'm kind of a
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  Speaker 1: rule follower with that, so I didn't really get looked
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  Speaker 1: into meeting a lot of the girls from the different
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  Speaker 1: sororities during that fall semester. I knew I wouldn't go
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  Speaker 1: through rush, but I was still very interested in making friends.
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  Speaker 1: So I made friends, and then I actually was privileged
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  Speaker 1: to cheer on the palm team and then the cheer team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, especially for top ten school, it was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: Best seats in the house, so privileged.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, so you probably so you're a big cheerleader in
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  Speaker 2: high school as well, Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm God's favorite person. I think I was.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a good cheerleader. I'm not a tumbler. I've
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  Speaker 1: never taken a dance class in my life. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: really good copy and I love sports, so I know
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  Speaker 1: sports and I'm fearless. So I we were not co
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  Speaker 1: ed in high school. I found a partner in college
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  Speaker 1: who was a male cheerleader, and he kind of helped
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  Speaker 1: me with some of the partner stunts. And it was
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  Speaker 1: just really fun. And I don't know that I was
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  Speaker 1: good at it. I just enjoyed it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think of the rush process? So?
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  Speaker 1: Rush for me was very interesting coming through as a sophomore. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I had some girls on the team that were in
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  Speaker 1: different houses. And I'll be super honest with you, the
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  Speaker 1: Delta Gamma house was the only house when I went through.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't They didn't say, oh, here's Cindy. Remember she's
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  Speaker 1: the Pomp Pom girl. Like, the only house that really
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  Speaker 1: liked me for me, in my opinion, was the Delta
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  Speaker 1: Gama house. And I love that about them because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: during today, maybe not tomorrow, and that's not who I
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  Speaker 1: wrapped my identity in. I'm a biomedical engineer, I have
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  Speaker 1: a really tough degree plan, and you know, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: good friend as a good sister, you know. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things about me that I felt maybe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, more unique than she's a pomp punk girl.
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  Speaker 1: Looking back at it after hosting Rushi's, I understand that's
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  Speaker 1: like the quick that's a shorthand to trying to draw
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  Speaker 1: a reference like remember she's on We talked about who
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  Speaker 1: does this? So I get that, But going through, I
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit offended that the reason I felt
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  Speaker 1: that they were interested in me is because I had
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  Speaker 1: a spot on the Pomp Pomp team.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at you now and so seeing obviously you
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  Speaker 3: are a beautiful woman, and I'm guessing that you were
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  Speaker 3: stunning back then as well, and I think, but I
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  Speaker 3: think that a lot of girls going through think that
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  Speaker 3: the physical is what's important, right in terms of getting asked.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be super clear, Like I am the queen of
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  Speaker 1: shopping on Amazon and looking like sacks, like honestly, and
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  Speaker 1: I felt the same back in the day. And I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the refinement that especially SMU girls had. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: these girls came in, you know, from prep schools and
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  Speaker 1: with history of lots of money, and I spent gladly.
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  Speaker 1: I spent every summer of my life on a farm
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  Speaker 1: in Nebraska. So I'm sure I was not dressed appropriately
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  Speaker 1: for Rush. You know, I think it's sad, but some
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  Speaker 1: of those physical cues are what people do look at,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I didn't have I didn't have it
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  Speaker 1: all together either back when I was in college, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I just I love that our our listeners
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  Speaker 2: can hear that.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, I'm guessing that you were absolutely gorgeous
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  Speaker 3: like you are now. You were a pom Pom girl,
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  Speaker 3: but you were looking for a sorority that would see
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  Speaker 3: past that and see right into sort of more of
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  Speaker 3: who you were and that you were so smart and.
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  Speaker 2: And I hope that.
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  Speaker 3: That our listeners really hear that, right, And it's a
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  Speaker 3: find you know, like minded girls that care about what
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  Speaker 3: they care about I think that's so challenging.
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  Speaker 1: It's your home, it's it's your sisterhood. It is it
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  Speaker 1: is the family that you get to choose outside of
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  Speaker 1: your you know, your significant other. It truly is a
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  Speaker 1: family you get to choose. And I will say that,
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  Speaker 1: how do I say this kindly to those other sororities
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  Speaker 1: who I am still very good friends with some of
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  Speaker 1: these women, but they still are wondering about my accomplishments
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  Speaker 1: and what I can do and some of those outward things.
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  Speaker 1: And when I'm with some of my DG's sisters. The
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  Speaker 1: culture of that house was back then and still is
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  Speaker 1: today with those women, how are you? It's so fun
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  Speaker 1: to be with you. They just really enjoy the essence
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  Speaker 1: of who I am and me with them. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: so you know, just there is a fingerprint to every house,
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  Speaker 1: and it does morph and it does change because the
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  Speaker 1: women in the house will morphine change. But find your home.
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  Speaker 1: For goodness sakes, you have a chance to pick people
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  Speaker 1: who accept you and love you. Don't. This is not
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  Speaker 1: the time to reach into something that you're not one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent. I agree.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny now the girls talk about the sororities and
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  Speaker 3: the attorneys being top tier. Have you heard, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: don't remember. I don't remember that expression back.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I do, I definitely do. I definitely rush it,
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  Speaker 1: And I honestly, top tier was it was not irrelevant
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  Speaker 1: to me because you know, I have you know, I
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  Speaker 1: just felt like a top tier shorty would offer me
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  Speaker 1: top tier people, and that's who I typically align with.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted really smart people, really kind people, really nice people,
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  Speaker 1: and a top tier astorty will typically have those. Though
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  Speaker 1: being top tier wasn't you know, it was part of
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  Speaker 1: my consideration. I'll be completely honest and transparent.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that and I could be wrong, but
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times, like my daughter, who was an
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  Speaker 3: authority at University of Delaware, when she was looking at
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  Speaker 3: top tier, I feel like so much of that was
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  Speaker 3: about what the girls look like, you know, and it's interesting,
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  Speaker 3: and so by top tier they were ranked sort of
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, the prettiest girls they were
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  Speaker 3: in the top tier. And I just absolutely hated that.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, listen, she found ausroorty and she absolutely
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  Speaker 3: loved it and had a blast. And I had that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, back at UT when I was rushing. I
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  Speaker 3: knew that there were.
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  Speaker 2: More the prettier girls went here, the sweeter I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it was all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, there is like the fingerprint, and we
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  Speaker 1: just talked, Yeah, kind of talked about the fingerprint of it.
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  Speaker 1: But honestly, if you get a new girl who's beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: then doesn't that change the fingerprint. Yes, So if your
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  Speaker 1: daughter decided to go to the sorority that didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the pretty girls, and she's clearly she's got good change,
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  Speaker 1: she's got to be gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: She went to the one with whatever, the gorgeous girls.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I was not a gorgeous girl.
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  Speaker 2: And I got.
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  Speaker 3: Into an I'll believe it. And I got into a
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  Speaker 3: sorority because when I transferred, my friends were all in
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  Speaker 3: it already, so like my three roommates were a five,
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  Speaker 3: So there was no question that that's where I was going.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I look back on it, I had
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  Speaker 3: a great time. I wonder if that was exactly where
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  Speaker 3: I belonged though, you know, and I didn't. I knew
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  Speaker 3: that that's, you know, where I was going to end up,
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know, there's it's really like every sorority
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  Speaker 3: like it has a different like we just said, fingerprint and.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what we said? Is it fingerprint? Footprint? What's
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  Speaker 2: the expression anyway? Fingerprint?
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  Speaker 1: Because everyone's everyone's unique.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, everyone's unique, right, and it's just important, I think,
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  Speaker 3: to be open to that when you're going through the
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  Speaker 3: RUSH process. Was it as intense for you as I
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  Speaker 3: picture at SMU though?
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  Speaker 2: Was it?
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  Speaker 3: You know, do you look back at that very short
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  Speaker 3: period of time and were you conflicted? Were you you know,
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  Speaker 3: was it filled with anxiety like it is for so
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  Speaker 3: many girls.
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  Speaker 1: I think walking into the mansion gave me more anxiety
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  Speaker 1: than walking to RUSH because I was a year older
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  Speaker 1: than the girls. I did know people in the houses,
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  Speaker 1: so that was that probably gave me a lot more security.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what I didn't have. I wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: around house to house with a bunch of girls that
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  Speaker 1: I'd spent time with in the dormitory. So I was
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  Speaker 1: fish out of the water when I was on the sidewalk.
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  Speaker 1: Once I was in the house, I was probably more
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  Speaker 1: comfortable because I went through later.
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  Speaker 2: Harder to walk into the mansion.
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  Speaker 4: Huh yeah, I mean you're you're competing for one guy
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  Speaker 4: and you're watching all these women come in and they're
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  Speaker 4: absolutely stunning and all wearing beautiful ball gowns and just.
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  Speaker 2: Even isn't that isn't that interesting?
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  Speaker 3: It's like, and I'm I'm guessing you've fel the same way,
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  Speaker 3: but I so obviously I'm fifty seven. I'm a very
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  Speaker 3: different woman than I was when I was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: twenty three. But that experience that you had is so unique, Right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm wondering if it felt at all though sort of
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  Speaker 3: like the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about it a lot. I've got I'm very
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  Speaker 1: close friends with a lot of the women of the house.
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  Speaker 1: We just took a trip with a subgroup of us.
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  Speaker 1: It was Robin, Carol, Jerry, and Amy. We all went
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  Speaker 1: to Palm Springs and it was Jerry's first trip girls
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  Speaker 1: trip ever. She's like, and this is what she thought
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  Speaker 1: being in a sorority would feel like. And for those
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  Speaker 1: of us who are have been in a sorority, it
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  Speaker 1: absolutely feels like that. You know, you go through something
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  Speaker 1: that's unique and special and you share it together that
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  Speaker 1: common bond you know from the show. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: call it a trauma bond.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that's yeah, that's what it looks like
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  Speaker 2: as a viewer.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe less so in the summary world, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, you go through a shared experience and it
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  Speaker 4: can't help it bond you together.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think because the shorties have different fingerprints,
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  Speaker 1: they do tend to find, you know, women who are alike.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, for our season of the Golden Bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we all share different facets of one another.
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  Speaker 1: Like there wasn't another duplicate of Cindy. There was no
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  Speaker 1: copy and paste of any of us. But if I
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  Speaker 1: looked at, you know, the family orientation that I have,
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  Speaker 1: I would find that really in common with you know,
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  Speaker 1: Carol and my lean and some of the fun aspects
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  Speaker 1: and some of the foody aspects and some of the
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  Speaker 1: you know, don't care how my hair looks aspects. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I would share that with some other women so well,
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  Speaker 1: like the different facets of myself, but I could find
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  Speaker 1: in my shorty sisters I was finding in the house
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  Speaker 1: with mansion mats.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me, since you are talking about home and
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  Speaker 3: I'm wondering, I know you're also a sorority mom, right,
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  Speaker 3: but first let me ask you if your mom was
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  Speaker 3: your mom very involved in.
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  Speaker 2: Your rush process?
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  Speaker 1: Not at all?
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  Speaker 2: Not at all mine either.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean she was then a sorority and yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty much on my own. And honestly, when
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  Speaker 1: my kids went through RUSH, I was going through some
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  Speaker 1: stuff in my marriage that I wish I could be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more helpful to them. Of course, I
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  Speaker 1: helped them get REX, and that's an aggressive process, Holy
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  Speaker 1: cow REX. Nowadays, I feel bad for the girls going
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  Speaker 1: through it, and especially for anybody who doesn't have family
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  Speaker 1: members who have gone through it just to have somebody
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  Speaker 1: guide them.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard now it's they don't take that as seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Even legacy does not.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely not legacy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, does that help.
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  Speaker 1: Even when my kids went through Yeah, there's just too many.
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  Speaker 1: There's just too many legacies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So your sisters, brothers and were any of them in
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  Speaker 3: Greek life.
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  Speaker 1: No, my brother and my sister did not sate in
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  Speaker 1: the Greek system. My daughter, my older daughter did. She
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  Speaker 1: went to University of Arkansas and dropped from her sorority
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  Speaker 1: senior year. It just didn't serve her anymore, yep, And
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  Speaker 1: so she dropped. And then my middle daughter went to Baylor.
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  Speaker 1: She was a kappa and she stayed kappa the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: She was in a KAPA house off campus with a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of Cappa sisters there, and that was a super
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  Speaker 1: sweet group for her to hang with. And that was
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  Speaker 1: really my first time to have like the mother daughter
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  Speaker 1: sorority daughter experience, which is fun.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then my younger one is a dancer in LA
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  Speaker 1: and so she didn't have campus, she didn't have any
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  Speaker 1: campus life, so kind of she did online at Purdue.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think you could do sororities online yet,
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  Speaker 1: even through COVID.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Listen, you're not going to leave your house much longer
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: to beat a frat party. It's hard to be a
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: mom watching your daughter. In your case, daughters go through
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: the process. How did they go through the rush process?
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Did they have a difficult or an easy time with it?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Sarah, my oldest, had a perfect rush, So she had
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: literally the perfect rush, so she never got cut and
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: she got to pick a house and she she loved
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the house and loved the girls, so that was easy.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And so for this second, you know, we'd already talked
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: through it with Sarah. The two older girls were just
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: one great apart, so it got it okay. Sarah went through.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Then the next to Emily went through and honestly, I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: think because we had a chance to talk through all
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: of it with Sarah, Emily was washing Bury, yeah, intently,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and so her mindset was like aligned. She was fine.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I think you just have to Honestly, I think you
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: have to let go of the outcome.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like have to let go. Yeah, I mean that's
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a lesson.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: It took me a long time to learn the whole
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: enjoy the journey.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Thing is I was older when I sort of got that.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: But right, I think that for a lot of girls,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: and we've talked to a lot of girls about this,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: you know, your head is set on one sorority and
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: it just it could ruin the experience for you, right,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: it can.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Ruin your college. We know girls who have transferred colleges
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: because they don't get into what they consider the rights sorority.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And it's just a shame because there could be a
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: different match, you know, just could be a different match
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: for them that might end up better that they don't see.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a mom come on. It was one
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: of the first pose that I recorded, and talking about
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: how her daughter had gone through the rush process at
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: SMU and how at the end of it. I hope
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: that I'm remembering this car. I think everyone gets together
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and I guess this already comes and grabs you or
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: something like it. Am I am I remembering this correctly.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did that in Arkansas, and that all the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: girls are at the stadium and they come and get
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: grabbed by their sorority. And there's some girls who don't.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I listen, panalytic. Better be smarter
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: about that. If you have a girl who doesn't get
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a bid, whoever their rush coaches needs to have a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: conversation with them and pull them from that stadium. That
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: can't happen. That can't happen. That's so cool.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Well, this mom had happened to her daughter two years
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: in a row, and so you know, we were talking
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: about it. It just it's just horrible and it's horrible. Yeah,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I think it was SMU. But again, like you go
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to the middle of campus. I don't know, but that
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff is just just awful. And you know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's the whole system, the whole I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: had a great experience, You had a great experience, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: it really is a sisterhood that can set you up
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: for life and life also you deal with rejection.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: That's just part of it. We all have to deal
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: with it. But it's harsh.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: It can be harsh depending on the school, right, I mean,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, the southern schools are more intense.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It definitely. I mean, I think the situation in the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: stadium that just literally breaks my heart and sick to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: my stomach about that. But in general, I look at
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, my whole sorority experience was divergent. You know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't pledge until I was a sophomore. I was
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: very entrenched with Yeah, with my degree plan. I had
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a double major, and it was taking every semester. I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: had an eight o'clock class and I had eighteen hours
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: every semester, and I'm trying to cheer and the travel
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that that's required and the practices and all the sorority stuff,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and so I was we look back and I laugh.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I was barely a dig.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So you didn't hold any you didn't hold any office.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I did so. I actually my junior year, my junior here,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about, you know, deactivating because financially, I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I had no money, and it was a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: steep requirement to go to SMU, even on full scholarship,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: there's always incidental stuff.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Do you tell me you went on a full scholarship. Girl,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: It's a lot here for me to take in. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: can't get over you.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Who am I speaking to? All Right?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I said, God's favorite, God's favorite, my sister, my favorite.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: That's even better.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Go on?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: So I feel that you know it's going to deactivate
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: in my house. I went to the I had to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: sit in front of the board and all these you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the alumni and the sisters that I knew and respected
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and loved and cherished, and just said, listen, here's where
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I am. I can't do this anymore. And they said
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: give us a week. And I came back after a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: week and they found what they call a secret Hannah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So it's a secret alumni who paid for not just
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: all of my dues at the sorority, but she paid.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It was required that I move into the house for
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a year, which what what I mean? Obviously I had
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: room and board with my scholarship, but what a gift? Yeah?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Did they still do?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm in tear up right now and I felt so
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: be behold it to that sorority for reaching out to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: me and helping me through that. And so the other
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: requirement is that I do the same for another DJI
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in the same circumstance. And it's been it's a privilege,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: it's secret. I have no idea who she is.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: You're gonna this is the nicest thing I've ever heard.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: This is at the top of my list of why
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: you should join a sorority. That's I never even heard
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: of it, because I guess it happened. Maybe it happens
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: at other campuses as well.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: That is just amazing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, And now you're doing it for someone.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you take a girl who felt like she
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just wasn't worthy of the house because I can't afford it,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and you make her feel like a queen princess. And so,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've always had leadership positions and what I do,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I enjoy it. You know, if you're going to be
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: there anyway, you might as well lead it because you're
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: going to stay on time you get out. I think
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: they wanted me to be rushed here, and which would
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: be such a privilege and it would be an honor.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But you know, I had kind of a higher profile
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: on campus, and I think they thought that would be
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: good but I like, honestly, I would have failed them
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: because I didn't have the bandwidth to make that happen.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: So I was their panelmic representative, and so I got
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to sit on the board with the other houses and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: kind of talk through some of the sorority rush things.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That's why the whole like, if there are girls left
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in on campus, I'm going to I'm going to retouch
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: back with my people at SMU because that just as
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a Paneltic member, we never would have let that happen.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely heard that from one of our sorority
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: moms that it was just horrible for her daughter. You know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: you get those stories. It definitely you know I don't
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: know that. Well, which doesn't kill us makes us stronger me.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That's that's what I want to say. Yeah, yeah, like
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: through the process, you know, I didn't have the money
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to continue, and they made it happen. I you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I went through as a sophomore instead of a freshman,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and like all these things that weren't perfect added up
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and were knit together into such a beautiful story. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's my story. It's not a traditional story, it's my story. Yeah,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: sororities and I hoped I hope that anybody listening to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: this considers just open yourself up to knitting a new story.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: It may not be what you've expected nor what you wanted,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: but it's your story.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to make it what you want, right, to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: make the whole experience what you want.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And I agree.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: When I went through it, I remember just being so
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: even with knowing that my roommates were all in fie,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I was so insecure.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And were you nervous about getting into the house even
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: with your roommates.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, even with that, I was just nervous. I mean,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: ut is big, and we went into a lot of
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: houses where I didn't feel like I fit in. Even
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: though it was just the rush process, I knew I
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: wasn't going to end up in some of these sororities.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I was a Jewish girl who was probably gonna end
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: up in a Jewish sorority. So, you know, going through
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the house through triedelt. I wasn't holding my breath thinking
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I was going to get in. But I just remember everyone,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: It felt like everyone was just beautiful and blonde and
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: fit and I just wasn't. And it was I remember
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it taking its toll, you know. Yeah, and in especially
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: at a school like ut you know, there's a there's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: a field to it. And I moved to Texas when
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I was nine. I was a little bit of a
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: fish out of water. This is not about me, but
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: sometimes I just can't seem to help me.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Now I find this fascinating. I've got eighteen more questions
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: for you, so hold on.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Oh oh god, well listen again. I want to hear
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: more about your experience. But I just, yeah, it was hard.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: It was hard on me. I think even knowing that
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I was probably going to get into FI, I was
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: pretty sure. But even with that, going to the different
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: houses and looking all these girls and feeling not not
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: as good, as not as pretty, as not as all
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: of that. But you know, you, I look back at
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: it as you get older, it would have been nice
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to do it now all you're listen. You you said
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it was Look what you had to go through going
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it is just.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: As hard all those all those things that we felt
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: as a young girl. I think we still feel at
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: our age and and I think we'll feel at the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: rest of our lives and the same diversity of people
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that we had to deal with back in a sorority,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: those people that you felt were judging you or whatever.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: We still, I mean, don't you feel that now? I mean,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: we could care less about it.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Going into the mansion, I would have definitely felt it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: So I don't have a lot of situations like that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: You know, that's intense at least that's what it looks
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: like where I'm you know, hoping to attract the attention
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: of one man, whatever that looks like. But so that
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: would have Yes, I would have definitely felt a lot
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: of anxiety around that. But I do feel like at
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: my age, I don't have a problem walking in to
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: a room anymore and feeling that comes with age.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I tail that to my kids all.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: The time, but I don't I don't get a lot
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of insecurity about, you know, new situations, meeting people again,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: walking into that mansion in that circumstance would have maybe
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: very self conscious.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I think I used to tell my kids of you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in these circumstances. Just remember, just think of a basket,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a little wicker basket with a fluffy pillow, stuck with
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a bunch of speckled puppies. Just imagine every everyone is
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: so cute and so adorable, and they're all so different,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: whether they have a spot on their nose or a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: spot on their back, or whatever distribution. We're all just
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a basketful of speckled puppies. And if we could just
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: remember that as we walk into the world, wouldn't that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: be nicer? And instead of looking at just the front
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: row of those girls as they're cheering and singing their songs,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: look into the back row and find those speckled puppies, right,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: because they're they're in every house.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so great. I absolutely love that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to use that, except I'm not going to
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: tell my daughter where it came from.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to completely She might like it, she might
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like it, but it just didn't come from you.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: No, fair enough, that's true. That's true.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: We'll change the Forrest Gump. Life is like a box
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of chocolate. Life is like a basket of speckled puppies.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Have you seen Punch? By the way, This is just
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: another side.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Oh I haven't seen it yet. No, it's great. Should
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I see it?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh it's not a show. It's about that monkey in Japan.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I'm only bringing in.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I yes, And then oh, Punch, it's like
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a sorority house. Have you did you see it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: We've got to rename the monkey. We've got to rename
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it because it's just.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Listeners.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it, don't look it up. My
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: daughter was so hysterical, crying for two days. I couldn't
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: get her out of bed. But the story in the end,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: at least that's what I there showing me on TikTok
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Punch is found his way, and girls, you will find
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: your way. He was rejected and rejected, but now he
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: has a friend. Maybe there's like there's a good it's
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: a good analogy somehow, I don't know, or maybe I'm
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: just you know, grasping its straws.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: But before we lose.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: You and I don't really really don't want to, but
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: will you tell us there any Is there any more
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: you could tell us about the Golden Bachelor, any secrets
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: or experiences or.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Anything that we wouldn't know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I will say that to all of the girls who
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: are listening. You know, sisterhood is out there, whether it
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: has Greek letters on it or it is just where
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you work, where you go to the gym, where you
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: have pilates, your running group, your church. All of those
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: are sisterhoods and they're all sororities, and I found a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: new sisterhood surprisingly in the mansion. I came there to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: find a man. And as Robin said in the final
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Rows episode that or in the tell all, she said,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the real love story of our show is the women.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And so I found a whole news sorority set on
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the show The Golden Bachelor. So just just be available
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and aware. And I encourage everyone who is considering going
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: through Rush to absolutely go through with an open heart
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and to find your sisterhood, Like, just go ahead by
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: then if it's it might be your second or through choice,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: but in the end, it's going to be the best
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: place for.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: You, don't you feel like, what like the Golden Bachelor
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: and Bachelrette, the first one, what's his name?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: The first bachelor?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Uh chalk oh, chuck. You're talking about for Gary? Gary
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: was the first Golden Gary.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so Gary, Okay, I can keep up. But anyway,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the men bonded and at right, and then you saw
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: them together and them talking about how they'd found this
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: brotherhood and you're talking about how through this experience you
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: bound these sisters and so and that feeling there's just
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: nothing like it, and that is the point of going Greek,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I think, right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like it, absolutely and it but but and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you'll find it throughout your life. Like I'm sure when
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: your kids were involved in sports for activities, I know
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: some of my other closest friends were people I sat
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: in the bleachers with for all those years, right right,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And you know, you just learn to knit your life
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: together with someone, and that is one of the blessings
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: of going through the bonds that you get in a sorority,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: as you learn how to knit your life to someone
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and you learn that that's safe.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Right, it's a good place. It's a great safety net
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: for us.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: All Yeah, I love that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: You're amazing. Can't thank you enough. It's been fabulous to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: have you on. And I think our listeners are really lucky.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I think they're gonna there's some really good stuff here.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: So thank you, my friend, Thank you my new friend.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: It's really great to connect with you. Thank you too.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: All right, guys, so we will see you next time
• 31:58
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