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Tony Gurule: Immigration, Islam According to Muhammad (REPLAY) · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hello, friends, family and Christ.
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Thank you so much for tuning in, watching, listening, sharing, we've got our brother
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from Radical Truth, Tony Garoule, back with us, RadicalTruth.net.
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A lot of things to talk about, brother, thank you so much for all you do, thanks for joining
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us today.
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David, it's always great to be with you in your audience.
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Always, always.
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So a lot to get to today, there's an event you have coming up, we'll talk about that a
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little later.
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But basically, there's a lot of ignorance in the American church.
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We maybe want to just say we're kind of naive about Islam and the spread of Islam, maybe
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the intent of the radicals in that side, they're getting into American schools, they're
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in our government.
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And we've talked about this before in the podcast, but as I mentioned before we got on,
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we have a lot of newer viewers and listeners, praise God, we're growing, that's the direction
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we want to go.
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And they maybe haven't heard of Radical Truth.
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Can you just give a basic rundown of what you do, what you specialize in.
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And then we'll talk about what's going on in the country.
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Absolutely.
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Well, David, it's always great to be with you again.
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And Radical Truth, we proclaim truth, share the gospel and expose Islam.
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So when we proclaim truth, that has to do with not just, of course, proclaiming the truth
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that people need to know about Christianity and doing apologetics.
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But it's also, of course, the gospel, first and foremost.
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That's the solution to all the world's problems, that's the power of God into salvation,
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that's what all Muslims throughout the world need to hear.
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And of course, all non-Christians in general, but also we expose Islam.
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And this is what makes us unique in that we do these three things specifically.
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Because exposing Islam has to do with the Islamic agenda for the world.
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It has to do with a lot of the Islamists and their tactics and what they're doing here
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in the West, which I know we're going to talk about.
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And also too, there's a lot of people out there who still don't know Islam according to
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Muhammad.
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And that when you look at the actions of ISIS and al-Qaeda and these different jihadist
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groups, they're following Muhammad's life to a tea.
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If Muhammad were alive today, he wouldn't just join ISIS, he would lead it.
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And a lot of people who think that Islam is a religion of peace, quote, unquote, and they
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think that peace is referring to peace in the Western sense of the world, a word like
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as in peace and tranquility, it doesn't.
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And Islam and Islamists, jihadists, et cetera, they all define all these terms differently.
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I know we're going to be talking about at least a couple of terms today and one of these
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articles.
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But yeah, that's what we do.
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Proclaim true, share the gospel and expose Islam.
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And we have a TV show that's on NRB TV, direct TV channel 378 every Saturday night.
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We have podcasts on probably 15 different platforms.
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We're in 126 countries now, 127 countries, I think we just added Malawi last week or so.
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And yeah, so we're reaching people in churches.
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And we speak a lot of political groups as well.
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We do a lot of general evangelist training, general apologetics.
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So we're just here to equip the church.
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It's great.
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I really appreciate what you guys do.
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And, you know, we've talked about this before, Tony, and that the church really in America
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really isn't up to speed on really what Islam is about.
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Because I think as Christians, do you find this accurate that we kind of want to love
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our neighbor, right?
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Love, love, love.
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We want to err on the side of giving other human beings the benefit of the doubt.
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But I think we miss the fact that there's a spiritual war going on and there's people
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who are not really authentic in what they're doing when it comes to their religion or particularly
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Islam.
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Now, there are nominal Muslims, just like there are nominal Christians, but we are talking
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about, we're going to get to talking about some terror cells in the US before we do that.
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Can you explain maybe what the solution is to the church in America, to Christians who
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should be informed and understanding these things and where we are from that perspective?
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With this bread.
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Yeah, sure.
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If you want to pull up that poster that we have, this is a flyer of our brand new grace
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and truth events.
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And this first one, as you can see there, is booked in Pensacola, Florida next month,
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on November 15th, I believe is what it says there, it's kind of far away.
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But basically, my colleague, Olin Giles, who is the newest missionary with radical truth,
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he's been with us for about a year now.
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I've been with us.
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I've been with here radical truth for about six years.
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But Olin Giles and I, this is a presentation that we recently created together.
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We have a lot of individual presentations that we've created and that we give regularly.
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But this is our brand new grace and truth that we collaborated on.
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And whether churches have me give it or Olin give it, you're pretty much going to get
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the same exact core material either way.
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And this is the most well-rounded presentation that we have for churches in particular.
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Because when I speak at political events, they don't care about the gospel.
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They just want to know about Islamic law, the Muslim Brotherhood.
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They want to know about the threats of Islam.
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When you're in churches, they, a lot of them don't want to touch the political aspects
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of Islam.
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But they want to know, hey, how do I reach my Muslim neighbor?
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My Muslim coworker, the Muslim who, you know, lives down the street or works down the street
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or whoever.
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What do I say to the average Muslim who I see at the grocery store?
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So we want to equip the church in multiple ways.
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Number one, they need to know Islam according to Muhammad.
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Just to be aware of it, to be aware of the threat overall, which is not going away.
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At the same time, they need to know and realize the solution is the gospel.
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And 1.8 billion Muslims throughout the world need the gospel.
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Most Muslims have never heard it.
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If they have heard it, they don't understand it.
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And of course, both of those are required for Muslims to realize what the gospel is, repent
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and put their trust in Christ.
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And I'm going to pull up a little list here of the things that we cover in this grace
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and truth event.
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Number one, we do start off with the gospel because that is the solution, as I said.
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And we explain that.
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We go in depth to make sure that people who attend this event, if they are there at a
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church, they say they're Christians, well, you know, are you saved yourself?
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Are you a Christian?
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If you can't explain the gospel to me, you know, why should I believe that you're a Christian
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and so on?
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So it's what is the gospel?
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Why do we need it?
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Then we get into Islam and we talk about some similarities between Christianity and Islam.
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We also talk about the differences, which are what truly matter.
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We talk about, we talk about some important distinctions between Muslims and Islam.
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Now, Dave, all in an eye in Christine, we're all very clear on this to people.
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We love Muslims because their people made in the image of God who Jesus Christ died for.
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They just happen to be Muslims, but guess what?
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They're potential Christians because they can repent and put their trust in Christ.
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Now we critique Islam and we don't like Islam.
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Islam is a religious political system, which is keeping 1.8 billion Muslims in bondage.
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They think it's true even though it's not.
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They're threatened with death if they leave Islam.
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So here in the West, the positive sign of this mass immigration coin is that we can actually
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reach Muslims with the gospel illegally, give them a Bible, give them a gospel to John,
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give them a gospel track, give them a Jesus' film, whatever, we could not do that in the
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countries that they're coming from.
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So again, this is the positive aspect of immigration.
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The negative aspect is that Islamization is the goal, and that's the Islamic goal of
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the mass immigration.
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So people need to know about both of these things.
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Dave, we also cover, of course, the solutions in this workshop, and that's evangelism, apologetics,
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and polemics.
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And we can go more in depth into that.
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But also, we end this workshop with either a Q&A, or we can even do a panel discussion
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if the pastor of the church wants to participate in that himself or if he wants to bring in
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other speakers in the area, whoever.
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So anyway, grace and truth is their newest event.
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Again, it's catered for churches in particular.
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Great.
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So Islamization is not the same as assimilation, very important, right?
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Right.
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And you said something, Islam according to Muhammad, and I'm guessing Islam according to,
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for example, the mainstream media, it's not the same as what actually is happening in
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our country because they kind of sugarcoat everything.
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So really quickly, back to Islamization and terror cells.
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We hear a lot about terror cells.
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We've been here about a little since 9-11, and some people have been paying more attention
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to this.
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Tony, why do you think knowing that they're here in America, those who are radicalized
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on that side wanting to do damage to the infidel or to America or to Jews, why do you
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think they haven't made a big move yet?
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I don't think there has been an official call for that.
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I also don't think that things in America are in the situation that they should be for
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this zero day, so to speak, to take place.
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When in 2019, when I released this light out when Islam rules America, in there, I talked
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about the four areas of American society being Islamized, education, immigration, government
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and churches.
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I talked about the threat of jihad taking place in America.
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I shared a little video clip of a guy who says, hey, what happened in Middle Eastern
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countries?
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People remember the Arab Spring back in 2012, all this other stuff.
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They used that as in the mainstream media, they talked about, oh, these Muslims, they just
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want democracy.
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They just want freedom.
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What was happening behind the scenes was this was a Muslim takeover that was taking place.
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I've mentioned to you Sherry Berenz, whose book I've done multiple shows on.
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She gave a behind the scenes day-by-day diary account of Islamization that was taking place
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while the Western media was saying, oh, these Muslims just want freedom and democracy.
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The problem with Islam is, again, it's a religious political system, a religion and a political
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ideology combined.
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The jihadists who are out there physically fighting have the same end goal as the guys
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wearing suits who are trying to make Islam acceptable in the West and are saying, oh,
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we just want justice.
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We just want peace and freedom and they are doing like this, I know we have a new story
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about text payers funding Islamic schools in Tennessee.
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Our last show, we talked about the Islamization of Texas and all the mosques that are being
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built, being expanded upon, churches being bought, turned into churches, churches being
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bought, turned into mosques and all of that.
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It's all because in the Quran, chapter 48, verse 28, it tells everyone who reads it that
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Islam is supposed to rule over all other religions.
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The goal of Islam is to rule the world, the world to be under Islamic law.
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But that can't take place unless Islamization takes place.
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In America, we have a military, we have a lot of defense against any type of physical
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fighting activities.
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How do they subvert the West?
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How do they Islamize the West?
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That's through not through the sword, that's through money, that's through the pen, that's
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through dhawa, that's through building mosques, that they're hoping to be filled by Muslims
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someday.
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It's a different tactic in the West.
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The thing is that, yeah, we have this threat of the jihadists, but people need to realize
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that that is in some way, it's in some degree, a distraction from the Islamization that's
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slowly taking place anyway because of the works of the Islamists who have the same
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end goal.
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So now let's bring up that article, Jeff, about General Flynn sharing a report on terror
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cells, and this is over at radicaltruth.net.
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And I just want to read what Laura Lumer reported on this, and quoting Michael Flynn in this
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article as well, sources tell me tonight that the National Counterterrorism Center has
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officially determined that Islamic terrorists affiliated with al-Qaeda have infiltrated
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US soil and are actively planning a series of coordinated Islamic terror attacks.
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This marks the first time federal counterterrorism officials have openly acknowledged the immediacy
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of such threats, signaling a potential escalation in domestic jihadist activity not seen since
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the height of ISIS-inspired plots in the mid-2010s.
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And then it goes on, a lot of information in that post.
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We should put this in our notes on under the video, but Tony, tell us more about this
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and why you're concerned, concerned enough to put this on your website.
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Yeah, I sent it out through newsletter as well, and it's basically informing people
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about the aspect of the mass immigration that people haven't really thought about.
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You know, a lot of people are happy thinking, oh, they're getting all these people deported.
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Well, they're basically primarily deporting people who have known criminal records.
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If there are jihadists in this country who came in using a false name, they aren't in
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a database of, oh, this person is a known criminal, well, they are not the first ones on the
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list to be deported.
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They're deporting people who, again, for a lot of people who have known criminal records
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or they are deporting some people who are terror threats, quote unquote.
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However, how many people came through the border over the last four years when Biden
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was in office, and how many of them have been taken out, how many are still here, how
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many of them have no criminal record, and they have this goal of Islamization because
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they're Muslim, and they're a good Muslim, quote unquote, and they're following Islam
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according to Muhammad.
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But that doesn't mean that they're out there physically fighting right when they get
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here.
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Some are because they're impatient.
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Others are very patient.
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And the most patient, the most patient of all are the Islamists who are just working
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to make Islam acceptable in the West and bring about Islamization that way.
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So that's the thing.
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In a number of my new presentations that I give, I have a slide where I say 1.8 billion
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Muslims, but then I break that down and say, look, we have jihadists.
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We have Islamists.
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We have what you might call nominal Muslims.
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We have cultural Muslims.
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The thing is, out of those four groups, who's actually following Islam according to Muhammad?
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And Islam according to Islam's primary sources, maybe I should say that because there is
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an in-house debate going on of who was Muhammad, did he exist, when did he exist, and all
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that kind of stuff.
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So I'm just saying.
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One of my new slides too is, here are six reasons or eight reasons why it doesn't matter whether
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Muhammad existed or not.
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And one of those is because Islamization's still going to take place anyway.
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Yes.
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Because you have 1.8 billion Muslims who think that he did exist.
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Yep.
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And if you're not sharing the gospel with Muslims, if you're not doing apologetics to the
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thank Christianity, if you're not doing polemics, so to know why Islam is false, don't be surprised
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when 1.8 billion people keep doing what Muhammad said to do.
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So it's an interesting question and we're enjoying the research and all in my colleague
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is doing a master's degree in polemics and apologetics to Islam, covering all this historical
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critique stuff.
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However, like I said, Islamization's still going to take place, persecution of Christians
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and Jews and other non-Muslims is still going to take place, whether Muhammad existed
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or not.
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The Islamization of the West is going to continue to take place.
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The jihadist threats to non-Islamic areas of the world are going to continue to take
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place.
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Now out of, I don't remember exactly all six of what is still going to take place are.
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I know, again, another one I'm just popped in my mind was, again, the threat of the Muslim
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Brotherhood and Muslim Brotherhood front groups who were throughout America.
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But the two things that need to continue to happen, though, or what need to start happening,
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is Christians need to share the gospel with all Muslims everywhere and Christians need
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to continue to do apologetics and defend the historic Christian faith.
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Yes.
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And that's why this new grace and tooth event that a workshop that we've created does these
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three things.
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It focuses on the gospel primarily.
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We also get into apologetics.
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We also get into polemics and we explain to your church the real threat of Islam and
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Islamization that they need to know about along with the truth and the solution.
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So.
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Even on before another podcast here on World View Matters, Tony, we, you and I, especially
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you and your expertise, you have contrasted Christianity and Islam, Jesus versus Muhammad.
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And there couldn't be a bigger contrast, I think, into, you know, quote unquote religious
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leaders.
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But maybe people can look up those past episodes that worldviewmatters.tv, just look
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up Tony Garoula, G-U-R-U-L-E and all of the episodes that we've done with Tony will
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come up because we have talked about this.
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Maybe we might want to do it again in the near future because it's so important to contrast
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the two, you know, Christianity and Islam.
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But I want to ask you if this is a concern and you know our government probably knows the
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threat level.
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They probably know what's going on across the country and that's, they probably don't
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want to alarm the public.
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But why do you think our government leaders, the lawmakers, have not addressed this growing
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threat of Islamic terror or potential terror in the U.S.?
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Why do you think our, the Congress, you know, our lawmakers haven't addressed this?
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It's not only because we have devout Muslims and Congress, but we have many congressmen
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on both sides, both Republican and Democrats that have been influenced by the Islamists.
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Who, again, if what's in Islamist is usually the nicest guy in the room, that's usually
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how he's subscribed because he's always trying to be, you know, buddy, buddy with everybody.
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And again, the goal is Islamization, they're trying to make Islam acceptable in the West.
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They're trying to make everyone out there think that the jihadists who are out there physically
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fighting, that's an aberration of Islam.
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That's not true Islam.
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They think they say, oh, those are the radicals like as in militants, but the word radical
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doesn't mean militant or violent, it means to go back to the root of something.
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Dave, our ministry's called radical truth.
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Does that mean that we're a violence about the truth, or out there doing violence now?
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We're going back to the roots of Christianity, the truth, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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And radical Christianity is a solution to radical Islam because a radical Christian does
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what Jesus said to do, a radical Muslim does what Muhammad said to do.
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The thing is, is that there are many Muslims in the West who they have a cognitive dissonance
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going on saying, okay, Muhammad said to do this, but I'm living in this Western society,
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they like America in whatever way they like it.
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So there's always a cognitive dissonance with a Muslim who wants to be devoused, but at
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the same time has that God-given law written upon their hearts.
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And that's why we as Christians need to take Muslims through the law, just like we take
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any non-Muslim through it, to help them realize their sin, that their need for a savior,
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to help the good news make sense, make sense with only, the good news lots of times only
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make sense when people realize the bad news first, we've got to help people realize that
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their sin is so that the good news actually sounds like good news.
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And that's the same case with the Muslims.
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So to answer that question, it's because the government has been infiltrated by Islamists
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who are using the terms, peace, freedom, justice, and human rights, but they don't mean it
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in the Western sense of the term.
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Peace doesn't mean freedom, it means lack of opposition.
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In other words, when the whole world's under Islamic law, the whole world is under Dar al-Islam
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or the house of peace, then there's peace, quote unquote, because there's no opposition
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against Islam.
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Wow.
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Justice is defined by Islamic law.
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Human rights is defined by Islamic law.
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And when they talk about human rights, we're not talking about the Declaration of Human
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Rights, we're talking about the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights, which is an Islamized version
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of human rights, according to Sharia, Islamic law.
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So people need to know that our government has been infiltrated by the Islamists.
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And again, same goal as the jihadists, just that they're very patient, the jihadists
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are not.
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Yeah.
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Boy, I mean, not unlike the left and the Marxists in America, very patient in infiltrating
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culture and society to bring about revolution or whatever their endgame is.
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But let's, before we run out of time, Alex Newman, our colleague here and our friend
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over at Liberty Sentinel, did a recent article over on his sub-stack, tax payers are funding
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Islamic schools in Tennessee and you're going, Tony, how could this, how could this happen
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in any state in America, let alone Tennessee?
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And he says, Tennessee is forcing taxpayers to fund Islamic indoctrination camps, teachings,
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guerrilla law, and jihad to children under the guise of quote, education.
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This will come to the rest of the U.S. if it's not stopped.
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And I'll read one more sentence or two and I'll let you respond.
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A new government funded school choice program in Tennessee is already funneling taxpayer
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money to multiple multiple Muslim schools across the state that openly embrace Sharia
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law, Islamic law, and jihad school leaders are also using the students to lobby state
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officials.
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Tony, if it can happen in Tennessee, my goodness, your thoughts on this, just like we
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talked about, how can all this mosque building an Islamization take place in Texas, if it
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can take place there, it can take place anywhere, Dave, they're going, they're going for what
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are known to be the conservative states of America, because the liberal states of America
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are falling right line and ready for socialism, which Vladimir Lenin said leads, he basically
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said that the goal of socialism is communism.
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And because Islamists and Marxists, socialists, communists, et cetera, have the same mutual
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hatred for America and hatred for freedom in general.
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That's why they're willing to work together temporarily.
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However, their end goals are mutually exclusive, because in communist countries, you don't
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have Muslims in power, if you're in an Islamic country, you don't have a communist in power,
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communism is just anti-god across the board.
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That's why you have Muslims being persecuted in addition to Christians and Jews and other
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people in communist countries, so they're just completely anti-god, which means completely
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anti-Ala as well.
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But here in America, as it says in that story, in quotes, it says, our message was clear,
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Tennessee's Muslim community is engaged, organized, and committed to advocating for, here's
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the key word, justice, as I said, peace, freedom, justice, and human rights.
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These are the terms that they're going to use, just as they try to, which basically means
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just us, because if you're not a Muslim, then you're not going to be on the same level
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or be in power as they gain power of themselves.
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Good.
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So, they are your friend until they gain power, just like Muhammad.
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When he was in Mecca, again, according to tradition, when Muhammad had no power, no followers,
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no money, he just spoke about religious matters.
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As he gained power, followers, and money, and military might, it became more political
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preaching than religious.
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That's the status many years ago, especially during the Obama administration.
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I remember all these headlines coming out and finding out that some schools were teaching
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the five pillars of Islam.
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Now maybe they teach that under the umbrella of world religions or world history, but
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do you know what's the latest on that Tony?
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Are they still doing that?
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Or because Christian parents kind of had a problem with that, they went to school board
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meetings and said, hey, if you're not going to teach the Bible, what are you doing teaching
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this?
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Do you have any updates on that?
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I don't have any very recent updates.
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People just need to be aware of it.
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I mean, obviously, even if someone goes to a community college and takes a class on the
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world religions, they're going to be learning about Islam to a degree.
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The problem is, is that for decades now, Middle Eastern countries have been giving more
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money to American universities and colleges.
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And those same universities and colleges get from actual American taxpayers.
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So if Muslims and Islamic countries are funding school programs throughout the US, they're
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going to have the main say in the curriculum that is taught.
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So it's like, that's why you look at some of these most well-known universities that
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have totally watered down sugar-coated Walt Disney versions of Islam that they teach.
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And it has nothing to do with the real Muhammad of history, again, according to tradition,
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and Islam's primary sources.
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Interfaith dialogues only happen in non-Islamic countries, because there's nothing to gain
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in Islamic countries.
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They're already under Islam.
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So the Islamization takes place in Western countries.
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Interfaith dialogues take place in Western countries.
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It's all different tactics to work towards Islamization.
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You know, people better wake up, the church better wake up, and stop being naive about
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this.
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We don't have to be fearful or paranoid now, because we are still called to share the
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gospel and to love our neighbors, but not accept their worldview or beliefs into our
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own society and our schools and culture and everything else.
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But Tony, thank you for, again, reminding us of this is an important issue.
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The gospel has to go forth, but also we need some discernment.
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Your final thoughts in about 45 seconds?
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I would encourage all Christians out there, let your pastors know about our ministry
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radical truth.
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RadicalTruth.net is our website, our brand new grace and truth event.
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The very first one is booked in Pensacola, Florida next month.
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We just had an inquiry the other day in Illinois.
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So this, I think, is going to take off as long as we continue to let churches know about
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it.
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It's brand new.
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But again, this is the most well-rounded gospel-focused event that you can get at your church to equip
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Christians to reach Muslims with the gospel and to be knowledgeable about the true threat
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of Islam that people need to know about.
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Brother, thank you so much, Tony, we really appreciate all you do, appreciate you being
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here again today.
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Lord willing, we'll do this again.
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Thank you, David.
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God bless you.
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Thanks for your prayers and your support and always keep speaking the truth about things
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that matter.
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See you next time.