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AST SPEAKS WITH QM Dr ChenziRa Davis Kahina_AST SPEAKS LIVE EVERY 1ST 3RD THURSDAY · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 5: Please are I heard?
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  Speaker 2: Vines to you as the steed the.
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  Speaker 5: Regatta and greetings Hotel. Welcome yet again. We're going to
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  Speaker 5: have a wonderful broadcast tonight because we have a guest
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  Speaker 5: that's going to give us some powerful energy, wonderful thoughts,
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  Speaker 5: engagement that is actionable right things that we can do
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  Speaker 5: right now. So welcome yet again to another live broadcast
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  Speaker 5: of Speaks building a new legacy. This is your host
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  Speaker 5: and mother, doctor Chincerah. I am really excited to be
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  Speaker 5: able to start as we customarily do, Amasu and I
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  Speaker 5: would and all I'm saying those in the back of
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  Speaker 5: the class as well as in the front of the class,
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  Speaker 5: and the metanature and the way that we're able to
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  Speaker 5: pronounce it to this languide that we're graced with now
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  Speaker 5: is we give thanks and praise to the One most high.
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  Speaker 5: We live each day daily for the One most divine,
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  Speaker 5: and we shall do it tomorrow just as we do
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  Speaker 5: it today. Because there's things that we will be saying
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  Speaker 5: tonight that may be so truthful that they will not
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  Speaker 5: come across with the sweetness and the medicinal touch that's
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  Speaker 5: always layered in some of our words because we're speaking
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  Speaker 5: truth as power, and we're speaking of things that are
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  Speaker 5: linked to culture, healing, arts, technically and spirituality, always giving reverence, honor, glory,
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  Speaker 5: praise to our ancestors and the creator therein by all
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  Speaker 5: the names that we use, and I like to make
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  Speaker 5: sure I highlight that. So I'd like to bring in
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  Speaker 5: Non both of the sancofier of Nikon, and I think
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  Speaker 5: it's really important. You can still hear us, I can
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  Speaker 5: still hear you, and I can hear you too, so
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  Speaker 5: I really am wonderful. So I'm rateful that we are
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  Speaker 5: able to have this opportunity to share some words together. Earlier,
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  Speaker 5: what I did is I had started to read from
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  Speaker 5: one of your pieces from twenty twenty four, which was
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  Speaker 5: interesting on it just in terms of your own legacy
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  Speaker 5: of some of your poetic works, so referencing you as
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  Speaker 5: the word sound power poetists that you are. You're published
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  Speaker 5: Apha as well, you have you know, multiple publications, you
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  Speaker 5: maintain work in the ancestral spiritual initiatory realms, and we're
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  Speaker 5: very grateful for what you share in that regard you
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  Speaker 5: do a lot of work in Jamaica, yes, but your
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  Speaker 5: reach is global and we're very for that also. And
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  Speaker 5: then being a cultural stored in educator like you know,
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  Speaker 5: all of these different nuances of the cultural won't say folklore,
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  Speaker 5: won't call it myth, but the real wisdom that one
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  Speaker 5: of Jamaica and how it shows itself across air, fire, earth, water,
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  Speaker 5: spirit for generation upon generation, and I just desire to
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  Speaker 5: highlight some of that. We've been having some powerful conversations, reasonings,
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  Speaker 5: and I just would love for you to share, you know,
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  Speaker 5: some of the things that came out of recent activities
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  Speaker 5: in Jamaica. We had already started a little earlier sending
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  Speaker 5: our prayers, our encouraged persons to look for those various
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  Speaker 5: links and sites, you know, various embassies. It's like almost
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  Speaker 5: every embassy in the world is sending support to our
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  Speaker 5: sisters and brothers in Venice Suela following you know, severe earthquakes,
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  Speaker 5: and they're still finding many having miracles of finding even
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  Speaker 5: eighteen day old children, you know, babies alive with them
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  Speaker 5: with their parents. So I think that the prayers and
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  Speaker 5: the actionable engagement, you know, is important, and at the
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  Speaker 5: same time there have been many deaths, so we want
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  Speaker 5: to send that those prayers the energy of strength and
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  Speaker 5: encourage those that can and even those that have small
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  Speaker 5: to give to give small so that they can grow big. Right,
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  Speaker 5: And we're also sending the saying to our brothers and
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  Speaker 5: sisters that have experienced loss in Ghana as well as
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  Speaker 5: in the Ivory Coast with very severe flooding, the same
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  Speaker 5: thing a person suffering from the after effect of flooding
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  Speaker 5: in Kenya amongst the Pocomo, which is something that they've
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  Speaker 5: been struggling with for some time. I mean, there's so
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  Speaker 5: much that's happening, you know. And we're also sending prayers
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  Speaker 5: to our sisters and brothers in the Pacific Isles as
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  Speaker 5: there are typhoons claiming that they might hit directly places
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  Speaker 5: like Guam and surrounding islands. So we're just hoping that
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  Speaker 5: people can be protected as much as possible. That being cutified,
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  Speaker 5: grounding and sharing with over other prayers and action going
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  Speaker 5: to hardship. We have experienced sudden loss, people that are
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  Speaker 5: not well, you know, we're just sending all of that
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  Speaker 5: humbling energy and strength so that they too can take
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  Speaker 5: a breath and heal. So with that, and I know
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  Speaker 5: you've been busy watching, you've been doing a loss, so
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  Speaker 5: I'd love for you to share some of that. Not aphopiate.
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  Speaker 2: With your permission, may opener than invocation.
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  Speaker 5: Please, Yes, I greet the.
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  Speaker 2: God of the ages, the God of the now, the
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  Speaker 2: God of tomorrow, the God of all time, the God
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  Speaker 2: of the heavens, the God of the earth, the God
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  Speaker 2: of the fire, the water, the air, the God of
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  Speaker 2: the trees, the God of the shrubs, the God of
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  Speaker 2: the sun, the God of the moon, the God of
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  Speaker 2: the night time, the God of the day. I greet,
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  Speaker 2: the God of the whisper. I greet the God of
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  Speaker 2: the shout. I greet the God of the medicine, the
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  Speaker 2: God of the dead, the God of the sickness, the
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  Speaker 2: God of the health, the God of within, the God
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  Speaker 2: of without, the God of Divinity, and whatever else there
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  Speaker 2: may be. I agreet.
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  Speaker 5: God goes in the front, on the back of the room. Amen. Amen, Ra.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, we're just making sure that we know we're
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  Speaker 5: very we're very inclusive, and thank you for shares, because
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  Speaker 5: it is really important, Like there were so many things
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  Speaker 5: that we have you know, usually when we reason the
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  Speaker 5: idea with this particular broadcast has always been to offer
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  Speaker 5: just updates on things that are taking place in the region,
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  Speaker 5: things that are impacting our humanity, things that can help
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  Speaker 5: us to grow, things that can help us to heal,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because there's so many rather than sisters that
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  Speaker 5: get stuck, and when I stay stuck, they get engaged
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  Speaker 5: in overlooking that everything that's around us. Some of these
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  Speaker 5: things are distractions. So when we're speaking here on us
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  Speaker 5: speaks building a new legacy, we're also speaking of things
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  Speaker 5: that are interdisciplinary, which speaking right, that are trans cultural,
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  Speaker 5: that are intergenerational. So many times will say conversation, So
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  Speaker 5: when you hear us say conversation, we're just saying vibrant,
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  Speaker 5: life centered discussion, conversation, and we like to talk about
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  Speaker 5: things that are happening in our home front. Everyone right now,
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  Speaker 5: we can speak, you know from where our illustrious guests
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  Speaker 5: an Appo Fiate is sitting in Jamaica right which you know,
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  Speaker 5: Jamaica has its own extensive history of dealing with culticulately
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  Speaker 5: our technology, spirit palgracts and where I'm sitting for the
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  Speaker 5: moment and I Saint Croix on the eve literally on
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  Speaker 5: the eve of the emancipation of the Virgin Islands that
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  Speaker 5: happen on July third in eighteen forty eight. So there's
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  Speaker 5: like a whole kind of vibrational shift when we're speaking
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  Speaker 5: to these So in our podcast, we like to also
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  Speaker 5: talk about things that are happening where we reside in
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  Speaker 5: the Caribbean in the house, impacting Central America, South America,
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  Speaker 5: and North America all of that, right, and of course
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  Speaker 5: the world. So some of the things we're going to
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  Speaker 5: speak about it's about bridging culture. I love how you're
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  Speaker 5: invotion in shared bridging the culture, sparking action, offering a
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  Speaker 5: perspective on how we look at ourselves to the lens
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  Speaker 5: of the Creator by all the names that generate the
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  Speaker 5: Creator in ninety So thank you tenfold for sharing in
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  Speaker 5: that particular portion. But I also would like for you
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  Speaker 5: to share. See once they knew you were on air,
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  Speaker 5: then they want.
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  Speaker 2: To be with you, right, But I'm sorry, I was
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  Speaker 2: a distracted the photo was off.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not your ways, right, because that's what goes on around.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I had my ringer off and it started ringing. I
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  Speaker 5: think that a couple of things that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's the energies I'm beginning to accept that.
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  Speaker 2: Know that you're talking about a number of different things,
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  Speaker 2: and in our space as a Jamaican people, we have
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  Speaker 2: been dealing with some very serious issues over the last well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, everything seems to be escalating. So over the
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  Speaker 2: last year, over the last few months, over the last
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  Speaker 2: two three years, we have seen things moving, moving, moving, moving.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we have reached yet where we're perhaps
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  Speaker 2: heading to, because I think we're kind of on a journey.
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  Speaker 2: There's some sort of going on coming until you get
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  Speaker 2: to some something like an implosion or explosion. But something
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  Speaker 2: is going to give. I think we're all we all
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  Speaker 2: see that, we all know that, we all feel that
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  Speaker 2: that something is going to give, because there's not an option.
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  Speaker 2: If we talk about the uni versus laws and we
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  Speaker 2: look at the universal laws of cause and effect, there's
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  Speaker 2: more than enough cause happening now going on now, even
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  Speaker 2: nature participating that the hurricanes, the floods, even nature participating
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  Speaker 2: from that space, even us and the actions that we
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  Speaker 2: are perpetrating. We we must have impact, we must have
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  Speaker 2: an effect from all that we're doing. And there's so
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  Speaker 2: much we're doing that's not helpful right now, as we
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  Speaker 2: ourselves are on a within on a journey, but within
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  Speaker 2: a process of further development, you know, the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: With some of the more recent technologies, we're realizing that
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  Speaker 2: even information that we did not have prior did not
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  Speaker 2: even know existed, that so much more is being archived,
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  Speaker 2: so much more is being committed to some sort of
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  Speaker 2: some shape or form of documentation that it can now
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  Speaker 2: be be shared. We're connecting. You know, we talked about
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  Speaker 2: information age, but after the information age, there's there's what
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  Speaker 2: you do with that connect with that information. And so
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  Speaker 2: this information age has led us to this this bounty
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  Speaker 2: of information that we are now connecting around. We're now
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  Speaker 2: connecting around that. We're seeing that this is happening here,
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  Speaker 2: that is happening there. We're seeing that, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: was what happened when that was happening, and just a
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  Speaker 2: whole heap of what was what was, what was brought
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  Speaker 2: forth and still being brought forth in the age of
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  Speaker 2: information is now coming and causing connections that must have
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  Speaker 2: some sort of resolution somewhere sometimes somehow. More people are
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  Speaker 2: aware of the need, for example, to regard and this
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  Speaker 2: is a conversation we have recently regard the world that
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  Speaker 2: has just the earth, but understand, there's a heavens, there's
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  Speaker 2: the Earth. There is a whole cosmology that we can
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  Speaker 2: tap into there in terms of how we understand this
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  Speaker 2: world that we live in, and that when you do that,
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  Speaker 2: what you get is a less people centered attitude that
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  Speaker 2: leads to more consideration for what else is growing walking
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  Speaker 2: with us, being with us, journey with us on this
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  Speaker 2: earth space, and what is affecting what on whom and
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  Speaker 2: all of these kinds of things. Because from that place
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  Speaker 2: of ignorance where we did not know as much as
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  Speaker 2: we did prior. I mean, there are people who still
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  Speaker 2: don't know, and recently I had to be explained to
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  Speaker 2: somebody what a solstice is, what the solstice is, and
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  Speaker 2: how that affects us. And there's so so many simple
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  Speaker 2: that are not known. We talk even with words we're
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  Speaker 2: going wrong and the words we're using we're limiting their
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  Speaker 2: meaning to an English language that has never served us. Well,
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  Speaker 2: what do these words mean in the space and time
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  Speaker 2: of our ancestors, in the space of time of us,
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  Speaker 2: and the space of time of those who will come,
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  Speaker 2: because we have to leave for them that deeper, broader,
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  Speaker 2: wider meaning of even words we had a conversation. Recently,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about gratitude and at the end up a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought it was just to say thank you.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, really, how does that work? I mean, gratitude
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  Speaker 2: is so I mean, this thing is you can look
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  Speaker 2: at it through many different lenses. And the conversation went
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  Speaker 2: on to looking at gratitude through psychologicalll through philosophical, through
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  Speaker 2: spiritual lenses, and seeing how each position and nuanced gratitude
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  Speaker 2: and how that could be helpful in our lives when
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  Speaker 2: we see that, for example, from a psychological place, you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about stress reduction, you're talking about longer life through
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  Speaker 2: something called gratitude. Who had thought of that before? So
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  Speaker 2: we're coming into the space where so much more is.
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  Speaker 2: We are being invited to put so much deeper meaning
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  Speaker 2: and real meaning, not what somebody has has told us.
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  Speaker 2: You know when I said somebody from outside of our
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  Speaker 2: culture has told us, but from the people within our culture,
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  Speaker 2: from what has been left for us, hidden from us.
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  Speaker 2: Even for a very long time, we've had some situations
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  Speaker 2: in Jamaica that has questioned our very humanity. Question over humanity,
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  Speaker 2: Who are we as human beings? How do we behave
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  Speaker 2: we have women being attacked. We had a situation recently
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  Speaker 2: where there was a public outcry because a woman was
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  Speaker 2: literally murdered by the police and I can't even find
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  Speaker 2: softer language to put that, because that was just what
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  Speaker 2: it was. And then right, yes, and then you know
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  Speaker 2: her body was not treated well even after that. What
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  Speaker 2: do you say of a people who start kind of
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  Speaker 2: moving in that kind of direction, Where are we going?
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  Speaker 2: What's our destination? Because this is not about harmony, there's
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  Speaker 2: not about wellbeing, this is not about community at any
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  Speaker 2: level of at all. This all of this is anti
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  Speaker 2: what we thought we were striving for, what we thought,
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  Speaker 2: you know, out of many one people, that's anti all
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  Speaker 2: of that. So how do we go around saying, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all we're Jamaicans and out of many one people and
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  Speaker 2: then you start shooting women, Yes, you start murdering women.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it kind of is mind boggling. There's so
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  Speaker 2: much happening now that you know, we're just an amazement.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know what to do. Our country recently sent
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  Speaker 2: back I think twenty eight Asians who came in at
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  Speaker 2: the port you know, in Portland. But yet we have
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  Speaker 2: a contract to bring people who the United states want
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  Speaker 2: outside of their boundaries. These are not we don't know
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  Speaker 2: that these are our neighbors, our fellows, strugglers a Jesians are.
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  Speaker 2: How do we turn them away and then accept other people?
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  Speaker 2: So there's a there's so much happening now, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: in a way, I'm happy because we have to hold
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  Speaker 2: ourselves accountable. So for example, last Tuesday morning in Crossroads
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  Speaker 2: there was a gathering, a gathering of regular Jamaican people
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  Speaker 2: saying we are standing up because this is not right
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  Speaker 2: and protesting some of these things that I just talked about.
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  Speaker 2: There was a recent discovery that some of the funds
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  Speaker 2: that came in for the hurricane, in the Melissa funds,
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  Speaker 2: were misdirected. How do you do that? What does it
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  Speaker 2: mean to be human? What is the duty of care
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  Speaker 2: we have to each other? Regardless of what position you're in.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you become a prime minister or an
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  Speaker 2: MP on you it simply means your duty of care
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  Speaker 2: is more. It's a bigger duty of care that you have.
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  Speaker 2: But at the limit of just being one human being
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  Speaker 2: to the other, what's our duty of care?
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  Speaker 5: I think that you have raised You've raised several things
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  Speaker 5: that I would like to go to as I'm writing
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  Speaker 5: them down, the lack of humanity that you described in Jamaica,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we've had a thrush of we refer to
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  Speaker 5: them as back and forth murders, primarily amongst our men,
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  Speaker 5: young boys as well. And it's it. You know, had
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  Speaker 5: a fourteen fifteen year old that was in broad daylight
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  Speaker 5: at a basketball court, had chains on in front of everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Someone just shot him the death snatched the chains, so
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  Speaker 5: his parents, you know, had to lay him to rest,
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  Speaker 5: and people knew what was happening, did not wish to
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  Speaker 5: speak to the police because of the way that people
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  Speaker 5: see the police, like you just described. But at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the day, even rules of engagement, if you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna move mafia, if you're gonna move mafstuck yangsta. If
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  Speaker 5: you take a life, you leave the resources for the
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  Speaker 5: family to at least lay them to rest properly. You
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  Speaker 5: don't take There's rules of engagement, even in chaos, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And that went from that to someone else being gotten
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  Speaker 5: murdered elsewhere, So we could kind of tell where that
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  Speaker 5: went to it being someone else found on another island,
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  Speaker 5: you know, right here in the Virgin Island, and so
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  Speaker 5: the community is in a very shocked mode, almost to
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  Speaker 5: the point of being what people may think is despondent.
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  Speaker 5: So again, our humanity is questions. So people are asking
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  Speaker 5: why are we not you know, where's the march for that?
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  Speaker 5: Or where is the cry out for that? And it's
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  Speaker 5: not that people aren't crying out, but people are busy
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  Speaker 5: preparing to lay people arrested. They didn't prepare exactly. So
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  Speaker 5: some people, there's so much, Please continue, please.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that is being spoken about as
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  Speaker 2: we speak here is, you know, the government recenter, the
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  Speaker 2: our government of Jamaica here, the Ministry of Culture recently
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  Speaker 2: announced that you know, a delegation that was going to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: be going up to visit with were the King, the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: child us and to engage them in a conversation on reparation.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: You know, reparation is above my pay grade. Conversations of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: reparation are really above my pay grade. They're they're they're
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: way above anything that I can understand from a spiritual
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: point of view.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Even the we're gonna get we're sure.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure we know what we mean? What
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: does reparation mean? I have for a short while, it's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: quite a subsession part of my life. But in the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: grand scheme of things of a world and a world
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: or that very short, I'm being engaged with trying to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: understand ancestry and heritage, trying to understand who I am
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: as a child of a certain set of ancestors, as
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a child of a general set of ancestors. We talk
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: about African ancestors. You know, you can probably talk about
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: particular peoples within the African space and connect to yourself
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: with you know, whomever resonates with your spirit, to whom
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I for your spiritual Danny attaches you with. But in
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the context supposing I were to ask one of my
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: ancestors or our ancestors, what reparation would mean if somebody
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: did all of this to you, and they wanted to
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: come and say, as we say in a copaucho, come
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to say, I'm deeply, deeply regretful. I'm deeply remorseful, I'm
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: deeply sorry. What would that look like? And I don't
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: think it would look anything like what we're talking about today.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: If you come from a perspective where we all honor
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: there can people say God put a little bit of
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: himself in everything he created. So when you take a
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: shipload of people and you take them across the Atlantic Ocean,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and then you discover somewhere along the way that you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: might have erred in doing that. Who and what have
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you offended? Do you think you've offended only the people
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you took across the waters? And we don't even going
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to the park We know where you've called them chatlain
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of dehumanism and call them cargo. But what about the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: water itself? What about that great ocean and all the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: spirits that dwell within? What are we talking about with
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: a complete reparation? Are we talk about making it right
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: with the spirit energy of the space we're living in,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: with the spirit energy of the place that our ancestors
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: came from. I would talk about making right with their ancestors.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Are we talking about about making it right with the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: ones who were left there, who had children torn from them,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: who had sisters and brothers torn from them? Why is
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the conversation on reparation does not address this the people
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: who were left there who lost their family. So we're
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: talking about the ones who have descended from like us
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: as descenders. What the ones the ones who faced major
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: loss of people their family? So where are we going
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: to talk? Where does this conversation start, Where does it end?
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Well, the conversation I got to do.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: The rituals for that land from which the people are torn.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: There are some components of that that do happen. They
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: tend not to be as public as they should be.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: See what people hear when they hear reparations. And it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: funny that you went because I was closing out that
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: part on the lack of humanity and the criminality and
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: the homicide and all of that. Because this is happening
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: and people are being disappeared, and we're just studying, we're
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: starting to see that there's a frequency where there's you know,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: people are leaving newborns and taking them, you know, and
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: and harming them. They're leaving, they're jumping out of buildings,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: they're throwing other people out of they're driving. So there's
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: a frequency and energy that is definitely not pro life
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: as it is not pro human It is not pro
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: respect for the ancestors. It is the opposite of my
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: eye when we say my hoddest truth, justice order, reciprocity
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: balanced in harmony is fed ispect your.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Kills that we I mean, how do we even manage that?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: If we should get there on that I suspect we
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: are there.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: So I wanted to just highlight that there are things
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: that in our human frame, there are some persons that
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: look at reparations and they're still in the twentieth century
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: version of reparations where they're just looking for a check
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: or by now trillions or googles of dollars. And not
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: to say say that there isn't going to be a
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: remuneration or monetary compensation part because that's part of the
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: system that we're still dealing with. But it could have
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: been back in the day calie shells, or it could
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: have been gold boullons or something. It could be a currency,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: but there's going to be a currency exchange. But I
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: wanted to just highlight that the part of departure for
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: even having some of these reparatory justice and repatriation and
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: reparation conversations. And I would highlight and I encourage persons
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: if you'd like to know more about the current activities
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: that are happening in the Caribbean and Africa in particular,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: as well as in the Americas, the forty eight contiguous US,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: which spreads out on the globe because our people and
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: when I'm saying our people. I'm speaking of African ancestral
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: indigenous people. So I'm going to say that for the
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: people in the front of the room, African ancestral Indigenous,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: because I'm not going to just say black, because black
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: would make it ignore the the indigenous, Native, Amorindian. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: we can go deeper than that, whether we say China
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Eddy Sebone, we can go onto that, you know. And yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: there's a there's a garyfun a lot. So I'm just
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: saying that many people have experienced the onslaught of enslavement.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: Some people want to clean it up to more of
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: an indentured servitude piece. And in some instances the indentured
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: servitude was not pushing people into chattel, but it created
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: a classiest system that was almost as severe as the
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: chattel one. So there's so again they feel they're pain
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: their pressure. Although when we look in the twenty first
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: century version of preparatory just and reparations, it's very strategic
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: and more people have brought up these issues of the
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: ancestral connection, and not only the external repair reparations, but
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: the internal reparations. That's correct, right, So I wanted to
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: highlight that and for persons that may recalled that back
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: in the around twenty eleven twenty twelve, there was an
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: initiation of the development of reparation commissions, specifically in the
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Caribbean spaces. A lot of this coming out from the
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: World Conference against Racism that was hosted in Durban back
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: in two thousand and one, and then what came out
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: of that different you know, the Bridge Town of Documents,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: and there were a number of things that happened in
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: the Caribbean that pushed that envelope forward moving into twenty
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: person on looking at repair, reparations and reparatory just as
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: very differently. Not that it is complete. I want to
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: make sure that I highlight that, not that it is
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: complete at all. I just know that there's been a
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: lot of work done in these last this last decade plus,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: and that there are brothers and sisters in other parts
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: of the world that have equitably been doing this, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I want to highlight everything is not just English. So
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: you have brothers and sisters and the French speaking, Dutch speaking,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: or Spanish speaking, and Arabic speaking and Trees speaking. You
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: have people speaking multiple languages doing different layers of How
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: do we heal the damage reparations are supposed to ultimately
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: be how do we heal and repair the damage is
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: done from these inhumane, unjust Espetian institutions that virtual attempted
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: to this man to annihilate, terrorize, and commit forms of
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Jenny embody, my soul, spirit and consciousness for people right
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: the this care com Reparations Commission and now the manifesto.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: There was a ten point plan over a decade ago
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: and it's been it's been updated and literally the updated
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: version was presented at the Next Steps conference in Ghana
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: last the latter part of June uh with you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: leadership from Carracom, leadership from the African Union. Second mh wow,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: we had some interesting thing. It was a little spar here.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: When you see me move like that, it's because I
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: know it was like fire. I think maybe what I'm
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: talking about is definitely bringing fire to the level. But
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: I'm just highlighting that there's.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Need that energy of transformation, no joke about that, sure.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: And I think that that's because I.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Was also associated with chaos because it's right, you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the the idea of right with fire also brings the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: thought of chaos because so it's it's interesting how all
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: that happened just now in this conversation.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: You know, So I'm grateful and thank your ancestors for
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: not creating anything further than what I just experienced. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: if I see anything else, I'll be like, pause, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: I but I I'm saying it from a place Yeah,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: I'm saying it from a place of of of nurturing,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: cultivated love that if we do not rephrase, it's important
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: for us to be in a place where we can
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: have some of these discussions and reasonings. Yes, you can
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: put some of Not to say that we won't get emotional,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: not that people won't get elevated or speak loudly or
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: too soft or be you know, hand because we're just
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: you know, we're very We talk like this, we talk
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: with our whole body. But it's just that the manner
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: in which we reach a solution, it is so important
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: that we all, like you said, understand the process. For
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: some people, reparations is I'm going to get a check.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: For some people's reparations is I'm going to give free
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: land and I can just sit on it. For some
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: people reparations is I don't understand it, and it's never
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: going to happen, So why are we doing this for
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: some And I'm just saying, there's like so many just
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: like you know, there's so many different ways that people
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: see it. But what I can and say is that
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: there has been a significant amount of work a number
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: of researchers, I mean from the academic space, from the
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: corporate space, from the end, from the political, socioeconomic space,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: and definitely from a cultural, psychosocial, spiritual space, because people
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: understand before it was very like technical left brain, you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: this is what happened. This is the this is the
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: equation for how we're going to calculate how everybody that
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: claims that they are of African ancestry and that they
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: are tied to people that came across during the Transatlantic
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: enslavement trade, which we are more directly calling human trafficking
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: because it wasn't just an economy. I mean, it had
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: economic benefits, but it was trafficking like you know the
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: word that we understand, and it was in humane and
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: it used color to the point that people still even
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: when they say we're not racist, they're still using race
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: and our color, our melanin as a tool to dismantle
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: and dismantle our society, our civilization, breed impoverishment, breed criminality,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: all these things that we just finished talking about. That's
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: why a melinated police officer can see a melanated woman
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: in a vehicle, but instead of using his reasoning skills
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: and go from a to murdering her and then dragging
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: her body out in the back of it where everybody
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: could see. Like it don't mean anything exactly, you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: so I think that that's him. And then fast forward,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: we have persons that defend themselves. You know, we have
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: the young the young boy Anthony, who defended hisself, you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: felt threatened, granted the manner in which he and I
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: always say that maybe he could have stabbed, you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: could have kind of prevented him from attacking him, But
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: I wasn't there. We don't know the fullness of what transpired.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: He felt he was doing self defense. Now he's serving
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: what life thirty five years and he's what twenty. But
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: then we have other people that are Eurasian and they
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: murder people and they're still out in the street or
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: convicted felons with thirty something counts that can run countries
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: that are the most powerful in the world. Just saying
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: that the inequity. That inequity is the reason why when
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: we speak of reparations and reparatory justice, we're always speaking
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: of it, at least now, and I can't. I'm saying
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: this from a lens of sitting, researching, observing all the
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: different entities. You know, the ten point Plan wasn't as
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: adequate as it should have been to a lot of people.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Hence a lot of people didn't really study it. But
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: now there's a lot of movement, a lot of more interest.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: The's more interesting because people are seeing because it's a
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: it's a it's attached to the building blocks of any
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: society and civilization. It's attacked to the things that you
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: just said, attached to the things you just said in
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: terms of spiritual you know, how are we looking at
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: what trauma happened to those royals and those village, those
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: villages in the continent that one morning they were living
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: civilization and oneness and the next morning, next morning, everybody
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: is going a world.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: That they didn't know how to cope with, you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the whole New Pardi right.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: So some of that is part of some of the
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: social science, slash research, anthropological psychological research that a lot
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: of persons are exploring, have been exploring, and they were
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: writing about this from like the late eighteen hundreds. It's
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: just that many times it was in languages that those
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: of us on this side there was no connection. So
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: it's when we start to go back and look at
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: some of these archival records and narratives that we're starting
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: to see people were writing about this in the seventeen hundreds,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: in the sixteen hundreds, in the eighteen hundreds. But we
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: tend not to look at those particular pieces because we
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: tend to just look at what them say, you know what,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: the confidence. We don't look at what did the common person,
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: What was in those songs that persons were sharing, what
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: was in those real teachings in regard to how would
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: a father or mother feel when their children or their
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: siblings are stripped from them, they have say, granted, you
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: know some people were like, well you people like to
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: twist it to you sold us, not recognizing nobody you
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: were bought, really doing that kind. I mean, we have
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: persons that we have villages, we have ethnic groups that
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: were virtually wiped out because they wouldn't sell and they
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: wouldn't give up their their community. So anyway, I didn't
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: want to start that.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I must say, you know, I must say the comment
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I made is not something It was a response to
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. But but I don't truly hold that
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: view that we were bought. What amount of money could
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: you pay to buy a human being? I mean, even
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the concept of buying a human meanings is flawed, that
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: is very core. So I said we were bought, just
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: in in response to you saying you were sold. I
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: do not hold that any of us were bought, that
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: any of us were sold what what what would be
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: medium of exchange? How much? I mean, what would be
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the value? It's just a non conversation. It's not something
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I can even articulate. You can't buy a human.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Being, right, right, so.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: You think you're bad because you give someoney to somebody,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and no, you probably give some sort of token, but
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you can't buy people.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: You can't, really, right, And I think that's the part
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: that some of those types of conversations have happened. But
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: what has risen to the to the paper and when
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I say the paper, like there's an entire manifesto now
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: that is uh, you know, the care com the Caribbean
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: community has the standpoint plan for reparatory justice a manifesto.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: I want I want person to hear this last part
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: in this subtitle a manifesto for the coming Enlightenment. And
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: the whole idea is that because again, this is never
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: a manifesto, is not a fit document, because there's going
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: to be things that we might have missed. Collectively speaking,
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: there's people that were not in the case that did
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: not get to give their input. So some persons, because
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: they didn't, they don't engage, and that's understandable. But what
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: we're encouraging is for people to do the part in
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: the legacy that repairs the damages done to our humanity
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: so that we can, at least in this lifetime, do
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: as much as we can while we can, where we can,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: when we can. But I want to this is going
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: to be very familiar for you, but I want to
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: just share the quote that's linked right after the title page.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Every time I hear the crack of the whip, my
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: blood runs cold. I remember on the slave ship, how
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: they brutalize the very souls. Today they say that we
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: are free, only to be chained in poverty. Slave driver.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: The table is turned, so I thought it was powerful
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: that again these prophetic words, these lyrics that Bob Marley
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: and the whalers were from back in the day. You know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: we're talking like in the seventies, right from Catch a Fire,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: that that was pulled into this particular opening of this
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: document from the cara Com well the Pribban Community Secretariat, right,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: And I think that it's important. I just want to
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: highlight the at least how the ten point Plan. People
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: that know what the old ten point Plan look like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: we can come to that conversation. But I want to
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: highlight the things that were included in this manifesto. Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: So there's because there's maturity in this movement that they
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: open with. Then they go to the cara Com ten
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: point Plan and I'm going to just read them from
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: document of one. A full and formal Apology. Two. An
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Indigenous People's Development Program. Three Repatriation and resettlement, Power, restitution
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: of cultural heritage and cultural reconnection. Five, Remedying the public
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: health crisis. Six, Capacity building and development, Education and training. Seven,
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Compensation for gender based violence and assault on family eight,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Psychological rehabilitation. Nine, the Right to sovereignty and development, Technology,
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: innovation and entrepreneurship, ten, debt consolation, monetary compensation, and decolonization.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: And again this is just those ten, but in the
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: body of those ten, when people look at the manifesto,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: where there's more detail, more descriptive language, and actionable deliverables,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: items that people can do, that's where you're going to
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: get all of the more finite pieces of the building
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: blocks to restore our civilization and address many of this
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: that you mentioned the appendix. In this manifesto focuses on
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: a decade of progress Cara com, the African Union, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: the global reparations movement, and then in the epilogue it
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: focuses on the coming enlightenment of reparations and humanity's future.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: So again that is not that it is the most
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: comprehensive in the planet, because there's going to be areas.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: You know, we're still operating through a lens of being human,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: so we're gonna have there's gonna be growth, and it's
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: going to be development. And I've found that there were
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: two words that I felt were really important that didn't
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: make it to this ten point plan list, but which
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: you've mentioned already. But in the conversate and the reasonings
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: that people are having is forcing the hand, so that
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: people can't just come up with that that usual some
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: old people for other people to sell people to make money,
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: just like you can't buy a human even though they
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: were doing that, that was like a whole legitimate, unlawful
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: when learning engagement, So insanity, just see what it was.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: It was a kind of insanity. If you think you
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: can buy a human being, really there has to be
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: a kind of insanity. But there's another word that you
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: mentioned that has been a little bit of all conversation
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: for me, and I've shared it with a few people
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: because the word decolonization came to me very strongly, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I think I was probably sitting at the Ancestral Alter
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: some years ago, probably two years, a year and a half,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and it's like, what does that mean? And I've been
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: struggling with that for some time. And when you think
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: about both colonization and all the all that that brought
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: into our space, you know, it's a big stretch for
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: me to go to this idea of the colonization. I mean, really,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: we have gotten so enambled with some of the comforts
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of colonization, We've gotten so inductrinated in some of the
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: precepts concepts and all that it introduced in our space
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: that I cannot see what the colonization would mean or
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: would you like, I mean, are we going to go
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: back to not using knife and fork and using our
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: hands to eat actually the most one of the most
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: healthy ways to eat. They've done research on that to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: show that eating your hands brings you well being much
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: faster than eating with implements like you know, like this
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: teal metal fox kind of ideal. Some work has been
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: done on that. Are we going to you know, I'll
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: share this my groups. Uncle Fee does an annual retreat
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: and this year the annual retreat was going to be
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: around reclaiming Africa, So reclaiming African then there was like
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: a tagline or blur that went with that, and it
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: didn't happen. It just didn't happen. It just fell apart.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: It didn't happen. There was no motivation there was It's
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: like I just could not It just did not happen,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: not because I planned for it, not, but and so
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I had to sit with it. How does this work?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: This is the first time since we've been doing retreats,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: which is more than I don't know how many years,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: and it just did happen? We just I just said
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: a Roman answer, it not happened. And you know when
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I started really engaging with that, which Africa can we reclaim?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And you know Africa is a continent, but like in
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Jamaican space space, our ancestors came. You know, the large
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: number of them in terms of quantity, came from people
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: places like the west coast of Africa, definitely Central Africa.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: We're kind of limited there in terms of numbers of
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: people who came. We had evil people that can people,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Euroble people, yeah, the aero people that yeah. And there
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: are others. Not to be disrespectful, there are others. So
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: all the others who came. And so if we say
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: we're going to decolonize, well let me let me go beyend.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: If we said we're going to reclaim Africa, what are
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: we talking about a lot of those countries. Now, many
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of these countries now are Christian trees. We don't need
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: to go reclaim that. It wasn't devahrs for hours first,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: So what are you going to reclaim the small, small,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: tiny part of these countries that that that's still engage
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: with their traditional systems, which is on the file in
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: was it Nigeria. I was reading something I think it
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: was in Nigeria was somebody took to a priest, the
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: traditional priest somewhere and says, we'll do this, you know,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: some sort of what priests do kind of thing. And
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: under that kind of pressure, he said, we'll do this.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: You say your do this? Do you carry me the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: stuff religion to the to the rivan part the part
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: of the river. I mean really, because Jesus path, do
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you do that? So why are you doing that to
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the traditional to the traditional priest? Is that what I'm reclaiming?
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't know where the treeational systems are being vilainized.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And Christianity is you know everybody they will kill for
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: the christ mm hmm, the same in Jamaica.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Well that's actually the same in a lot of places.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: So that's why the focus has been because people have
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: had wars, whether it's through Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Christian vibes.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's the list is long, you know, Hindi, Hinduism.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: You know, there's just a lot because we have, let
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: collectively speaking, religion supersede spirituality and one pact. Right, that's
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: how long? Yeah? There because you said that. You said,
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: You've said some very deep points that I know could
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: have us doing this for our next activity. So we're
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: gonna really I would love for you to term with
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: me so we can follow up on this on the
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Today is the second, so on the sixteenth, if you're available,
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: of course, we can revisit that because I think that
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: that part two of the what the definition of these terms?
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Some people do not. You know, when we say decolonize,
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: we're usually saying undo the colonization piece for okay, well
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: the how to is gonna the how Yeah, but that's
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. The strategies are going to be probably
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: as numerous as the conditions that we live in. So
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: decolonization here in the Virgin Islands could start with us
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: no longer being a non incorporated, non self governing territory
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: of the United States of America, effective tomorrow, since tomorrow
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: was vi Emancipation Day. And they said from July thirty,
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: eighteen forty eight, from this day all unfree or free,
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: that's kind of what they said out of their mouth.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: And the person the governor that said that at that
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: time of Danish with Indian President Governor when he said that,
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: he was demoted and sent back to Denmark for the
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: rest of his life because he did that, right, I
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: just want to highlight that. And so after the whole
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: void that from eighteen forty eight all the way through
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: eighteen seventy eight, there were a host of uprisings quo
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: uprisings because yes, people were no longer enslaved. But then
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: the next day you're like, okay, so you're gonna have
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: to pay for your food, You're gonna have to pay
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: for where you stay, You're gonna have to pay to
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: move about, You're gonna have to pay for this and
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: pay for that to pay for this. So again it
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: was another kind of enslaved, exactly by complexion. So I'm
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: just saying that would be one version of the com
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: I can speak for what could happen on this side.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: It would be declonization would be to stop using a
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: colonial frame to villainize African traditional institutions and spiritual systems.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: That would be another way of decalonization, because decalverization means
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: that we're undoing the colonial yoke that has dehumanized.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: But there's a way that there's a logic that is missing,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: because is it we were on a certain trajectory. So
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: so so say as as as the people who were enslaved,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: there was a certain trajectory that these people are on
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: in terms of their life, their spiritual progress. That the
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: whole journey through life, they were on this trajectory. They
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: were on this path all all of going through this
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: space of higher cells and higher cells and you know,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: getting into this idea of returning to a source and
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: enlightenment and emergence and whatever we call it. And that
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: journey got interrupted. That journey got interrupted, it got stopped
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: at a certain point because a number of that population
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: of people were removed. So you're shifting, shifting that trajectory
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: in some ways, and you are redefining these people in
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: some other ways. If we talk about talk about the colonization,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: we can't say we're going to go back to that
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: absolute point where that trajectory is shifted.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: Well, that's not what the colonization means though, I mean,
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: because it's not to just say we're going to repair
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: or return to the same space where we were, because
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: many people we've lost so much of that and just
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: the construct of how we live. You know, back then,
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: people lived in more they in less modern environments.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Different in different environments. So I lived in different environments.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: Right, So the point of departure is going to be
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: slightly different, and the expectations, and maybe expectations isn't the
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: right word, but the elements and the building blocks of
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: how we're moving our civilization forward are going to look
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: different than what they did fifty years ago, one hundred
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: years ago, five hundred years ago, et cetera. And part
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: of what has been the cause inside of decolonization for
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: many persons, because you know, we can sit here and
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: do the academic side piece, and then we've got to
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: do the spiritual peace, and then it's a political decalonization.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: And then remember when we're saying decalization and people start.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Colonial thinking these all these separate compartments.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: We'll see the reason that there's how do we.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Get all in our selves out of this.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Frame the same way that we got in it? We
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: have it. I agree with that. I agree with that,
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: but some of our people have made it the prime,
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: the primary mindset of how they engage. So we're looking
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: at this is the system, and we are still using
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: a colonial system, claiming that we be colonizing. No, you're
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: where I am. Yeah, I was there. I was there
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: all the time. I just came to it a little.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: I was front, I was going to be frunt So
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: you see that.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Is a is a colundrum barrier.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I think that that's why even for
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: the purposes of those listening and tuning in and seeing
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: this versation, we're hoping that persons can you know, share
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: your reflect share your thoughts, and we always encourage for
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: actionable deliverables in your thoughts and your reasonings. Because we're
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: gonna pause because I see we're at our fifty eighth minute,
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: and I am grateful that you were able to, even
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: with everything that was shifting what we've done tonight, that
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: you were able to be such an informative blessed gracious.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: I can't say guests, I'll just say that we're having
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: a versation. We were like a co host because you
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: bring that kind of energy to what you do, not
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: a and I mean person's just for the record, when
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: you hear me say spiritist there, I'm speaking of non
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: aphobia because we yeah, we known each other a while,
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: a lot longer than usual, and we're able to have
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: these types of discussions. So you see how we can
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: be in different spaces of how we bring disinformation out.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: So for persons that need to know more, would like
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: to know more about the car COMM Reparations Commission, you
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: can just google CARACOM Reparations Commission and you'll be able
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: to get to their website. You can reach out to
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: the caracomcommunitycaracom dot org and a lot of these new
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: pieces of information that I was sharing tonight are available.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: And at the same time, there are a number of
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: organizations that you'll see listed in these respective spaces. You know,
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: you'll see people referencing the African Union, You'll see people
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: referencing different reparations organizations, the Caribbean Pan African Network, the
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: Emancipation Support Committee of Trinidad and Tobago, and let me
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: be specific, the care Com Reparations Commission has representation in
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: all of the caracommember nations, that's correct, so I think
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: it as well as those that have associate membership to
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: cara com, you know. So that's why that's one of
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: the reasons that the Virgin Islands the US side, as
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: well as the Virgin Islands the UK side, have a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: lot of involvement and engagement with cara CON because it's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: one of the longstanding entities that provide some because we're
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: too small by ourselves, so as a region that we
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: move closer to having a little more body in terms
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: of being involved in these types of regional, national, regional,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: and international activities. So any moving forward remarks for the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: closure you'd like to share.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I was listening to you and I'm thinking you're saying,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: you know, we're too small as one, but the strength
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: of African people and indigenous peoples and people who actually
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: live in balance as the strength of these people have
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: always been in the collective rather than in the individual.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's important to say, in the collective
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: rather than the individual. And with that, we're going to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: just encourage people to remember, thank you so much, Nanopia.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: We're going to do this part. We'll have part next.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: We'll call it Part two. We'll call it.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Because I'd love to talk in the next part about
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: the rise and the feminine energy right and all the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: divine feminine principle and how we're seeing that play out
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: even in the murder of this woman in the in
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: this full moon where where Mars just entered Venos or
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: something like that. Talk about divine feminine. The band masculinely.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: I'd love us to talk about some of that because
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: we're shifting from this pat patriarchal space where where we
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: need the matriarch energy to rise, not to not down
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: on the patriarchal energy, but to put a balance, to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: create a balance for.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: That, and with that, we should have had our infomercial
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: for Pan African Women today, happening in Los Angeles on
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: August eighth. I'm just saying, since obviously Pan African Women's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: Day and the Pan African Women's Organization actually existed an
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: entire year and change before the formation of the Organization
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: of African Unity in nineteen fifties. In the nineteen fifties
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: that we now call the APP well that is more
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: has transformed into or grown into the African Union. So
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: we're going to talk about So just audience viewers, keep
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: us on task. You heard what we said, we're going
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: to talk about in our next gathering. So again, culture heals, humanity,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: land is our foundation and spirituality is part of our grounding. Always.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: You know, you are a house of life. You are
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: really when we say parent aunk, we're just saying house
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: of life. And that's what we're encouraging persons to remember
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: and reflect on in all of the systems that you
• 1:02:51
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• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: love for the Creator and all of our ancestral legacies
• 1:03:02
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• 1:03:05
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