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Speaker 2: Agriculture a story CNN dot com about this Laura Dodson,
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Speaker 2: who received the notice that her job there was being
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Speaker 2: relocated to Kansas City from Washington. Now, during the first
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Speaker 2: administration twenty nineteen, the US Department Agriculture reassigned many many employees.
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Speaker 1: Out of the Office.
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Speaker 2: For example, the Economic Research Service was one of the
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Speaker 2: agencies were one of the parts of the USDA, and
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Speaker 2: they moved a lot of these people to Kansas City,
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Speaker 2: saying it would save taxpayers money and shift workers closer
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Speaker 2: to stakeholders. I don't know what that means, but a
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Speaker 2: lot of people refuse to move. They just said no thanks.
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Speaker 2: So these two agencies lost more than half their staff,
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Speaker 2: which means producing fewer reports in journal arctic articles, and
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Speaker 2: processing grants much more slowly.
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Speaker 1: And those who.
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Speaker 2: Did stay said they were demoralized and had to contend
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Speaker 2: with chaotic work environment. Okay, and there's a lawsuit going
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Speaker 2: on about the relocation because the argument that the relocation
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Speaker 2: plan is simply to get rid of employees at the USDA.
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Speaker 2: The administration says absolutely not. The reason where we reassigning
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Speaker 2: is just to make the agency more effective and make
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Speaker 2: it leaner because there was so much, so much bloat
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Speaker 2: and fraud and waste. Of course, and that argument actually
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Speaker 2: does fly in many ways. When you look at the
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Speaker 2: number of federal employees that have been hired, it has
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Speaker 2: become astronomical during Biden, certainly during Clinton, Obama years, even
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Speaker 2: Trump years. It has extended beyond the population. Of course,
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Speaker 2: you know, population is stable in the United States, not
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Speaker 2: growing by very much, but employees are growing, and it's
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of money.
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Speaker 1: And the Trump administration says we're going to stop.
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Speaker 2: There's too much money being spent on these organizations and
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Speaker 2: these departments. Now, I think it's interesting that all of
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Speaker 2: these different departments in this case is the USDA that
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Speaker 2: protects our food supply and the medicine is coming into
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Speaker 2: the country, that those have to be cut, but the
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Speaker 2: budget for the military has doubled. The military wanted less
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Speaker 2: than a trillion dollars. Trump gave it a million one
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Speaker 2: point four trillion dollars because defense important that it is,
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Speaker 2: is far more important than food stamps, than housing, than education.
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Speaker 2: And that's the reality. And again it's a question of priorities.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like Trump promised there'd be there'd
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Speaker 2: be more entitlement programs, social programs. He was elected based
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Speaker 2: on what he said. There's no he got elected based
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Speaker 2: on he's done what he has said. His followers have said,
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Speaker 2: this guy has walked the walk and talked the talk,
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Speaker 2: and it's absolutely true. Now the issue becomes, is there
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Speaker 2: really a plan to cut versus relocation right now, if
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Speaker 2: I had to guess, maybe it's a combination of the two,
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Speaker 2: and maybe it's an issue of that the President doesn't
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Speaker 2: think these social programs or even for example, the Department
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Speaker 2: of Health, Human Services, the Education Department should get as
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Speaker 2: much money as it has gotten previously because there's too
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Speaker 2: much waste. What I find interesting is there's no waste
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Speaker 2: in the military that does not exist, and offices in
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Speaker 2: the blues in the Red States are not being cut.
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Speaker 2: I find that fascinating because the military is free of waste,
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Speaker 2: it's free of abuse, it's free of fraud. It's only
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Speaker 2: the social programs that are littered with fraud. And they're
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Speaker 2: not wrong. I mean one of the things that was
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Speaker 2: cut was Karen Vassis program because there was millions of
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Speaker 2: dollars that were being given to these individual agencies. In
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Speaker 2: terms of homelessness, I mean, the county doesn't run homeless centers.
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Speaker 2: Those are run by private organizations. They are run by
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Speaker 2: other usually nonprofits, not private, but nonprofits, and hundreds of
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars across the board.
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Speaker 1: We don't know what happened. We don't know.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of legitimacy to what the administration has said.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing in this laws suit. As you
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Speaker 2: can imagine, of course, every time the president makes any move,
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Speaker 2: there's instantly a lawsuit. And the lawsuit argues that the
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Speaker 2: Department USDA doesn't have the authority to carry out any
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Speaker 2: reorganization because Congress didn't approve the Trump administration reorganizing.
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Speaker 1: And the Trump administration said.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, this is an executive branch's decision, and
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Speaker 2: they're right. You know, the department runs the USDA, not Congress.
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Speaker 2: I mean Congress. Okay, the USDA. Congress in fact funds
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Speaker 2: the USDA. But the President said, I'll run it, and
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Speaker 2: if I want to reorganize, I'm going to reorganize. And
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Speaker 2: what he has done is not only just reorganize, but
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Speaker 2: has pushed really hard for people to leave, taking retirement
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Speaker 2: packages out, trying not to rehire, although it has rehired
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Speaker 2: many any of the employees, brought in new employees. So
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Speaker 2: the fight continues and the USDA and you are going,
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Speaker 2: we're going to get drugs that well, let me put
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Speaker 2: it this way. One of the drugs, if you remember
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Speaker 2: this goes back many years, and that is tholidamide, which
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Speaker 2: was a drug basically an anti nausea drug used for
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Speaker 2: pregnant women, and it.
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Speaker 1: Caused severe, severe birth.
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Speaker 2: Defects among newborns while women were taking it. It became
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Speaker 2: illegal in the US, the USDA, I think it was
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Speaker 2: maybe the FDA was there were people in the FDA,
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Speaker 2: one lady in particular, who might very well have been
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Speaker 2: transferred or retired, stopped at cold and saved so many
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Speaker 2: kids from being born with this severe abnormality. Okay, So
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Speaker 2: anyway that, oh, before we get into you needing therapists,
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Speaker 2: I want to throw something at you that you may
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Speaker 2: not know, and I certainly didn't that. The top use
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Speaker 2: of chatbots over the last two years has been companionship
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Speaker 2: and therapy. More than anything else. What does that tell
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Speaker 2: you about us? Well, there's a whole bunch of reasons
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Speaker 2: that it makes sense that it does. But there is
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Speaker 2: a lawsuit and some bills that are flying about these
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Speaker 2: chatbots to really not only just slow them down, but
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Speaker 2: restrict what they can do. Because at this point, anybody
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Speaker 2: and this is free, can find themselves in conversation with
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Speaker 2: quote psychologist. That's a chat bot character that describes itself
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Speaker 2: as an expert in empathy and active listening, and it
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Speaker 2: responds to messages of anxiety and sadness with reassurance. It
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Speaker 2: asks questions and offers advice. And so if I were
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Speaker 2: to go on and I would say I am lonely,
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Speaker 2: I don't have any friends, and I am paranoid about it,
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Speaker 2: the chatbot would say, no, you're not. Paranoid becomes Sometimes
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Speaker 2: even the t truth comes out in paranoia, where people
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Speaker 2: are genuinely afraid of what should be genuinely afraid of.
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Speaker 2: So here's what is said. They're in small font there's
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Speaker 2: a disclaimer that reads, this is AI, not a real person.
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Speaker 1: Treat everything it says as fiction.
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Speaker 2: Well guess what, people don't they truly believe what they're
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Speaker 2: talking to and who they're talking to is real. They
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Speaker 2: may think and understand that it's an avatar or its
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Speaker 2: advice coming from a computer an algorithm, but that doesn't
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Speaker 2: mean they believe any less that it's real. And therein
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Speaker 2: lies a real problem at the same time, a real
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Speaker 2: issue as to why they're there. And it actually makes
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Speaker 2: a lot of sense. So people are turning to chatbots
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Speaker 2: for mental health and advice because, as I said, people
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Speaker 2: are very lonely. If you look at going to professional therapists,
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Speaker 2: they cost a fortune. Insurance in many cases doesn't pay
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Speaker 2: for it or pays for only a portion of it.
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Speaker 2: And so how many therapists are there out there? There's
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Speaker 2: a real lack of the number of therapists. They're not
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Speaker 2: keeping up with number one of the people that want it,
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Speaker 2: that need it.
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Speaker 1: It's lonelier.
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Speaker 2: Fewer therapists are around, especially if you're working.
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Speaker 1: In a rural area. How many how.
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Speaker 2: Many small towns I have therapists? And Neil, your wife,
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Speaker 2: Tracy's a therapist, and I know, and she's in private practice.
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Speaker 2: If she opened up her practice just her and she's
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Speaker 2: a professional and charges for it, how many clients could
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Speaker 2: she have in a week?
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Speaker 3: More than she has. Now, Oh yeah, it is. It
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Speaker 3: is a hot thing right now to have a therapist.
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Speaker 3: So she limits her clients obviously because we have a
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Speaker 3: nine year old.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, and that's the point I'm making. She is
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Speaker 2: a paid therapist who is very good and lives in
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Speaker 2: a major city, and even then, there is a lack
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Speaker 2: of therapists where people just don't go. And when you
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Speaker 2: go out out of the major cities, you go into
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Speaker 2: real rural areas, it just doesn't exist. It just doesn't exist.
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Speaker 2: And so are there people that don't have mental problems
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Speaker 2: out there in rural areas? Don't you think that people?
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Speaker 2: I think that people would have a real problem. Certainly,
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Speaker 2: if you eat possum and have squirrel sandwiches for lunch,
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Speaker 2: I think there's something dreadfully wrong with you. That, by
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Speaker 2: the way, is probably just a tangent that I go on.
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Speaker 2: But I'm taking a very serious topic and making fun
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Speaker 2: of it, which I end up doing because it especially
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Speaker 2: if you are suffering any pain. Now, I joke a
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Speaker 2: lot about you know, how horrible you are and how
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Speaker 2: you're going to die, and how miserable life is. But
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Speaker 2: I want to get serious for a moment because this
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Speaker 2: is this is a real thing in terms of how
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Speaker 2: how how much hurt there is in society and the reason,
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Speaker 2: legitimate reason this is going on. So you have these
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Speaker 2: AI therapists and the stat that I shared with you
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Speaker 2: that when I read this, I'm going to go really
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Speaker 2: and that is the number one use of chatbots over
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Speaker 2: the last two years has been companionship and therapy according
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Speaker 2: to research man that is tough and why well, because
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Speaker 2: people are lonely, there are no therapists or enough of them,
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Speaker 2: or they're too expensive. And this is an easy way.
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Speaker 2: It's that simple. Here's an answer. And or do therapy
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Speaker 2: chat bots do? They work well? They make you feel
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Speaker 2: better and sometimes they give you good advice. But psychologists
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Speaker 2: professionals are going, wait a minute. You know what these
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Speaker 2: are algorithms that don't really take into effect what you're doing,
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Speaker 2: how you're doing. It's basically a feel good feel It's
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Speaker 2: a feel good algorithm that is designed to basically enhance
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Speaker 2: what your feelings and make you feel good about what
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Speaker 2: you're feeling. I mean there are some certain there are
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Speaker 2: certain parts of it. I just want to commit suicide. No, no,
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Speaker 2: you don't want to And hear the reasons why. But
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Speaker 2: we're talking about nuances in therapy and really having been
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Speaker 2: in therapy for a very long time, because as you
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Speaker 2: can guess, I'm a pretty neurotic person. And let me
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Speaker 2: tell you, there's a rule of law. Okay, this is
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Speaker 2: not this is the law. Okay that any Jew who
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Speaker 2: has money has to be in therapy. Okay, that is
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Speaker 2: just a no choice, all right, ray straight out? And
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Speaker 2: so here I am in therapy, and I can appreciate
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Speaker 2: how nuanced it is and how important it is to
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Speaker 2: have a real person there. But what if there are
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Speaker 2: no real people? What if you can't get hold of
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Speaker 2: a real person? Are these better than nothing? Well, you
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Speaker 2: talk to professional psychologists, a lot of them, they're going no,
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Speaker 2: they're not better than nothing. They can cause some real damage,
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Speaker 2: or at the very least, they can paper over what's
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Speaker 2: going on with you. They want to tell you you're okay.
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Speaker 2: The therapy program is there to make you feel good
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Speaker 2: about what your choices are.
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Speaker 1: Now, it's not that simple.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there are ways of doing this, but there's
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Speaker 2: some bills in the work and some lawsuits against these
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Speaker 2: major programs, these maajor manufacturers that are saying you're not
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Speaker 2: doing any good and so are they asking to undo
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Speaker 2: all of it?
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Speaker 1: No, they're asking for guardrails.
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Speaker 2: That's it because this point there is no oversight at all.
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Speaker 2: It's whatever you come up with and who's really good
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Speaker 2: at marketing? And so according to doctor Jody Halpern, who
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Speaker 2: is a professor of bioethics at Berkeley saying, there's this
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Speaker 2: tremendous amount of loneliness, especially among young people. And it
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Speaker 2: really started during COVID that turboed it. And today people
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Speaker 2: they don't meet, they go to the internet. Social intercourse
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Speaker 2: happens on the Internet. And that's the shame of it.
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Speaker 2: How many clubs do you belong to? How many clubs
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Speaker 2: out there does anybody belong to? That's on a decrease,
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Speaker 2: And you know this is part of the Internet, part
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Speaker 2: of AI particularly that has some real problems. In technology.
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Speaker 2: I've said this many times, is the law is way
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Speaker 2: behind on technology. Technology moves at astronomical speeds. There's no
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Speaker 2: way around that. The law trying to catch up with technology.
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Speaker 2: That's different because the law is far more complicated.
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Speaker 1: And I've been involved in that.
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Speaker 2: I remember in the world of surrogacy when IVF came out,
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Speaker 2: when surrogacy came out, it took us years to figure
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Speaker 2: out some of the rules and regulations that make it
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Speaker 2: reasonably safe. And that's not the case. And general chatbots
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Speaker 2: are free. They're available twenty four to seven, and your
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Speaker 2: therapist is not if you could afford one. So here
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Speaker 2: we are AI. One of the aspects of AI that
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Speaker 2: can be very dangerous. Now, it's great for finding information.
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Speaker 2: It's great. For example, we're going to go on vacation
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Speaker 2: right to the end of the year. And so Lindsay
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Speaker 2: went on on one of the AI programs and said, hey,
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Speaker 2: this is where we're going. Tell me what are the
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Speaker 2: best sites to see? What are people like? How much
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Speaker 2: does it cost?
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Speaker 1: When do we go?
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Speaker 2: And an entire program comes out that's great. Here I
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Speaker 2: am I'm miserable, I'm lonely, I'm not dealing with people. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'm having thoughts of harming myself and it just doesn't
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Speaker 2: do a good job. So as we've discussed, and we'll
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Speaker 2: keep on going. We don't even know where AI is going,
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Speaker 2: no idea. Many years ago I did commercials for a
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Speaker 2: guy I remember, Corey who had he talked about his
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Speaker 2: programs and it was just it wasn't to sell anything.
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Speaker 2: He just was just wanted to establish a brand. Just
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Speaker 2: tell himself, just tell people about his company. He was
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Speaker 2: very proud of his company, and he was an early,
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Speaker 2: early advocate of the Internet, where he really became fabulously wealthy.
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Speaker 2: He was brilliant, is brilliant. And I asked him, Corey,
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Speaker 2: you probably have a better grasp of where the Internet
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Speaker 2: is going than anybody I know. So give me an idea,
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Speaker 2: give me a prognosis of what the future is going
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Speaker 2: to bring us with the Internet. This is the Internet,
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Speaker 2: not AI. Okay, Internet is far less sophisticated than AI.
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Speaker 2: And he said, in your wildest dreams, Bill, you will
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Speaker 2: never be able to anticipate what's going to happen with
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Speaker 2: the Net. He said, I've been doing it a long
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Speaker 2: time and I have no idea how far this is
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Speaker 2: going and where it's going to go. Okay, We're going
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Speaker 2: to finish it up with the world's largest electric plane.
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Speaker 2: And it is interesting news because the world's largest fully powered,
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Speaker 2: battery powered jet has just completed it maiden flight. Manufactured
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Speaker 2: right here in Los Angeles my Heart Aerospace is called
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Speaker 2: the X one, one hundred and six foot wingspan seventy
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Speaker 2: six feet nose to tail, weighs more than twenty five
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Speaker 2: thousand pounds. A thirty seat plane took off in upstate
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Speaker 2: New York and flew, for my god, how impressive twenty
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Speaker 2: seven minutes on battery power alone, reaching an altitude of
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Speaker 2: eleven hundred feet and that's carrying just a pilot and
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Speaker 2: not passengers.
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Speaker 1: Well, early, early, early days, but those days are coming.
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Speaker 2: One of the things about well solar powered or electric
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Speaker 2: power is I, for example, have a solar power panels
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Speaker 2: in my house, and I did at the Persian Palace too,
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Speaker 2: but you didn't put a battery system in because there
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Speaker 2: weren't battery systems. I mean, the technology wasn't there. The
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Speaker 2: ability to generate power with solar powers. That's been around
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Speaker 2: for a long time, and the efficacy and the technology
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Speaker 2: has been there for a long time, and it just
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Speaker 2: gets better and better. Battery power has reached critical mass
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Speaker 2: just a few years ago, even though it is moving
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Speaker 2: ahead at a very rapid pace. One of the things
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Speaker 2: when you talk about airplanes, they fly. I know this
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Speaker 2: is complicated stuff, but they go up in the air
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Speaker 2: and batteries are really heavy, and so going up in
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Speaker 2: the air with a very heavy payload is not an
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Speaker 2: easy thing. You want to fly people in cargo, you
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Speaker 2: don't want to fly batteries. And when you're talking about
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Speaker 2: a solar powered plane, in order to keep on flying,
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Speaker 2: for example, at night or when the sun isn't out,
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Speaker 2: that basically takes a battery. And I have a battery
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Speaker 2: system at home because the technology is now there. One
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Speaker 2: of the things about batteries we talked about it, or
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Speaker 2: solar power. What happens when the sun isn't out there
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Speaker 2: you have no power? And what happens if it's a
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Speaker 2: rainy day, what happens if it's overcast you have no
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Speaker 2: power there.
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Speaker 1: So they're moving ahead.
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Speaker 2: And even though it is I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 2: how many years we are from making a super lightweight battery,
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Speaker 2: what has been done is making a battery powerful enough
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Speaker 2: and small enough that you really can power a home
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Speaker 2: or hold enough power, enough battery power that when the
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Speaker 2: sun is gone there's four or five hours worth of power,
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Speaker 2: which helps enormously saves on the electrical bills, especially today
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Speaker 2: when you have power that's so expensive. So we're on
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Speaker 2: our way, and I think it's kind of neat stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be years before this thing comes and
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Speaker 2: it's about Well, this airplane, for example, the X one
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Speaker 2: that's what they call it.
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Speaker 1: Is forty percent cheaper.
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Speaker 2: Why because it uses five dollars electricity that it used
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Speaker 2: and if they can get the technology moving ahead, I
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Speaker 2: mean fuel. Let me put this way, the most expensive
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Speaker 2: part of flying to run an airline is labor. The
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Speaker 2: second most expensive is the fuel. The cost of the airplane.
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Speaker 2: Even though they're two hundred million dollars each, that's not
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Speaker 2: as expensive to run as fuel, and certainly the pilots
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Speaker 2: and the ground personnel.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're done, guys. That's it.
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Speaker 2: We're finished. Gary and Shannon right next we come back tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Will and Amy are here at five o'clock with wake
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Speaker 2: up call, Neil and I jumpable word and of course
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Speaker 2: Kono and An always here to not only run the show,
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Speaker 2: but to make the rest of us miserable. And it
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Speaker 2: works brilliantly on my Dad. See you tomorrow, everybody, same time,
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