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Speaker 1: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a Hallmark review podcast crossing
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Speaker 1: over into the world of PBS Masterpiece. I'm Megan and
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Speaker 1: I'm a longtime Hallmark fan. I'm Wendy. I'm a former
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Speaker 1: Hallmark hater. On today's episode, we are discussing the PBS
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Speaker 1: Masterpiece series The For Sights, Episode two, which originally aired
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Speaker 1: on PBS on Sunday, March twenty ninth. If you want
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Speaker 1: We are always interested in your opinions. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: jump right into our talk on the for Sights episode
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Speaker 1: two with a synopsis.
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Speaker 2: After a family night at the opera, Joe makes a
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Speaker 2: life changing discovery while Solmes, smitten with Irene, makes a
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Speaker 2: hasty decision.
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Speaker 3: Ooh.
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Speaker 1: Our regular cast returns with a few new editions not
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Speaker 1: previously mentioned in last week's episode, beginning with Dexter Seeton
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Speaker 1: as Joss. This is his only acting credit. Tilly Walker
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Speaker 1: plays Holly. Tilly has eight previous acting credits, including the
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Speaker 1: movie The Conjuring Last Rites. She also has three upcoming projects,
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Speaker 1: It's a Real Different Vibe hmm. Jamie Flatters plays June's
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Speaker 1: potential love interest, Philip. Jamie has fifteen acting credits, including
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Speaker 1: Avatar The Way of Water and Avatar Fire and.
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Speaker 2: Ash Tallula Evans plays Olivia Carteret. She has fourteen previous
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Speaker 2: acting credits, including a Paramount Plus series called Girl Taken
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Speaker 2: and the horror movie Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey Too. What.
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize there was even such a thing Flasher,
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Speaker 2: Winnie the Pooh yait apparently apparently so. George Lammaman plays
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Speaker 2: Horatio Carteret. He has four acting credits, with this being
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Speaker 2: his biggest project. We are going to take a quick
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Speaker 2: breg and we are gonna come right back with our
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Speaker 2: first impressions of episode two of the Foresights. Hey, Wendy,
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Speaker 2: hit me with your first impression of the Foresights up two.
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Speaker 2: Last week I said Selm's high Rise up, but actually
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Speaker 2: stood back down because Joe discovering that he has kids
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Speaker 2: and handles it with actual feelings has made me sort
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Speaker 2: of switch sides, seem Joe, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm so conflicted. My first impression is I can see
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Speaker 1: the catastrophically bad decisions coming our way, and I'm nervous.
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Speaker 1: But it's so delicious. Oh, it's great, it's great. I'm
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Speaker 1: tuning in. I'm tuning in. I know, let's talk about
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Speaker 1: that scene where Joe meets the children. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: know we're jumping really far ahead. We got to talk
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Speaker 1: about it. I thought it was really good. You're right
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Speaker 1: when he meets them and gets down on their level
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Speaker 1: and is stunned by their presence and not afraid of
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Speaker 1: them and instead wants to know them.
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Speaker 2: Oof, it was great, But then like Luis says, like,
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Speaker 2: all right, do you talk about the back dude?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Lisa is interesting to me because she's so
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Speaker 1: much stronger than Joe is. Yeah, Like Joe's just this idealist.
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Speaker 1: He's like, love will find a way, and she's like, yo,
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Speaker 1: I'm a lady's maid, Like this is not gonna work.
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Speaker 1: Your family will never let it. And it's almost frustrating
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Speaker 1: to the point to which Joe isn't willing to accept
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Speaker 1: the reality of their future right, And she tells him
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Speaker 1: over and over again, like you're gonna go back to
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Speaker 1: your life and there won't be a place for me
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Speaker 1: in it, And he gives her what I feel is
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Speaker 1: false hope because at their end of their goodbye, she's like,
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Speaker 1: I will come to you. Yeah. I'm like, what is
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Speaker 1: Joe thinking? You're married, sir?
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Speaker 2: Like I get that you have just realized you have
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Speaker 2: two children, but also you're married and you have a
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Speaker 2: stepdaughter who as who is seen as a foresight, So.
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Speaker 1: What are you gonna do here? Okay, I hear what
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Speaker 1: you're saying. That leads me to a question I have later,
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Speaker 1: but I'll ask it now. I don't think Joe has
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Speaker 1: done anything wrong up to this point. I don't think
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Speaker 1: Joe's done anything wrong either. I think he's behaving dangerously
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Speaker 1: going to the shop. And of course, when we see James,
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Speaker 1: his uncle see him and put all the pieces together,
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Speaker 1: he sees Jos. I assume he sees that Joss resembles Julian.
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think he does, but I think that's
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Speaker 1: the connection he's making. Plus he knows that the family
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Speaker 1: was talking about Joe and how he connected with Louisa
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Speaker 1: at the party, and you know, we just kind of
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Speaker 1: see him like mahahaha, right, seeing what's happening there. I
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Speaker 1: think Joe is kind of reacting the way I want
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Speaker 1: him to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he could be a total d bag and be
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Speaker 2: like those aren't my kids, I don't want anything to
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Speaker 2: do with you.
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: But obviously it's like set up that Luis's the one
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Speaker 2: that got away, right, and even though her lot in
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Speaker 2: life is different than his, which she sees as reality,
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Speaker 2: but he's like, you said, such an idealist.
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Speaker 1: He's like, no, it can happen.
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Speaker 2: But like he is also married, what is he going
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Speaker 2: to do leave his wife? Well?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so agree, what is he going to do? What's
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Speaker 1: happening here? Because when he goes back to Luisa, when
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Speaker 1: he goes to her shop, he doesn't know about the children.
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Speaker 2: Yet.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't find out about the children until the very
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Speaker 1: end of this episode. And so that's the part to
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Speaker 1: me where she's like, you can't keep coming back here.
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Speaker 1: But now that he knows about the children, to me,
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Speaker 1: it's two separate things. What are we going to do
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Speaker 1: about your relationship with Louisa and what are we going
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Speaker 1: to do about these children? Because he does not seem
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Speaker 1: to be in a position to walk away from knowing them,
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Speaker 1: like he says, like he says something to Francis and
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Speaker 1: he says, I can't wish away to human beings. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a good line. It is a good line. It's
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Speaker 1: messy though. It's messy because Francis is like, you need
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Speaker 1: to promise not to divulge this information to anyone, and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, that's never going to happen. Well, and
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Speaker 1: that's what is so interesting about Francis as a villain
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Speaker 1: because she's concerned about her own status, right, Yes, I
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Speaker 1: think that's what it comes down to. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's all tangled up because her
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Speaker 1: own status is tied to Joe's status.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And we see the way she conspires with Joe Senior
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Speaker 1: in this episode in a to me it has romance
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Speaker 1: antic undertones, the way they send I'm together.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, it feels something feels off there.
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Speaker 1: She was brought into this marriage for a purpose. And
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Speaker 1: while they do show themselves having genuine affection for each other,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think Joe sees this purely as
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Speaker 1: a marriage of convenience. But like you said, this is
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Speaker 1: the one true love of his life, Luisa, Uh huh,
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Speaker 1: And Francis talks in a different scene, Francis talks to
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Speaker 1: me June. Yeah, and she basically says, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: you get one soulmate and Joe and I love each other,
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Speaker 1: but your father was it for me? Kind of was
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Speaker 1: the message there? Uh?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: I read it as Joe's her soulmate. Joe was her soulmate?
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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe, but wouldn't it be so scandalous if you
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Speaker 2: know Senior was her soul?
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Speaker 1: Me, Oh, do you think I could ever go that way? Like,
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Speaker 1: do you think I could ever they would be.
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Speaker 2: Having like some sort of romantic affair like all these years.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you think it's happening like it has been happening.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, that's a good question. I
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Speaker 1: don't see that as currently happening, but I've been wrong before.
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Speaker 1: I do see it as a potential possibility. I just
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Speaker 1: think if you watch the pit, there's all these like wild,
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Speaker 1: outlandish theories about what's happening, and sometimes like baby jan
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Speaker 1: Joe is just an abandoned baby. She's not the baby
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Speaker 1: of some other right, it's not anything bigger than that.
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Speaker 1: So I hesitate to get too far ahead of myself,
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Speaker 1: and I I feel like it's romantic. But perhaps it's
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Speaker 1: just that they're working so closely together toward the common
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Speaker 1: goal of elevating Joli into the head of the foresight,
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Speaker 1: so to speak, that they just that's their number one goal.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen so far in these two episodes
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Speaker 1: love and happiness is not the number one goal of
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Speaker 1: anybody except for maybe Solmes. At this point, Oh, can
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Speaker 1: we talk about Solmes?
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Speaker 2: For a second. Yes, So him and.
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Speaker 3: Irene, I is this gonna go badly because he seems
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Speaker 3: to be all in and like Irene when when he
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Speaker 3: like presents her with.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess a proposal ish, I don't know exactly,
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Speaker 2: but and he's like, and then we could be together
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Speaker 2: and we can go to Paris and if you're unhappy,
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Speaker 2: you're free to go blah blah blah whatever. But and
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Speaker 2: she's like, this is so unexpected. Was she not feeling
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Speaker 2: the romantic vibes between.
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Speaker 1: Them or what's going on? Clearly dates like you're on
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Speaker 1: a boat on the water, duh, yeah, buying you ballet slippers,
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Speaker 1: Like this man is smitten. See it's so interesting because
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Speaker 1: last episode you're like all in on Solmes and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: Solmes will grow in me. So this is the episode
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Speaker 1: like the swoony Solmes is the Somes that I'm a
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Speaker 1: fan of, the one.
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Speaker 2: Who's like his monologue to her I thought was great.
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Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, yeah, And this is a different
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Speaker 1: Somes with This is Solmes with a different motivation than
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Speaker 1: we've seen him before, because prior to this, we see
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Speaker 1: him scheming with his father and talking with his father
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Speaker 1: and he's all business and all about what's the best
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Speaker 1: for the business and what's the best thing for me
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Speaker 1: in the business. But with Irene, he's all hearts. He's
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Speaker 1: not thinking about the best thing for the family. And
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Speaker 1: clearly behind the scenes, his mom and his dad and
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Speaker 1: even his brother and sister in law are talking about oh,
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Speaker 1: Olivia Carteret and they're you know, and he djaf about
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Speaker 1: that lady. Yeah, and his mom's like, oh somes he's
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Speaker 1: in love, and I'm like, what are you pay attention? Also,
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Speaker 1: if I may, what was going on with her hair?
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Speaker 1: Oh I didn't notice. Oh my gosh, you have got
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Speaker 1: to go back and look at her hair before the ball.
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Speaker 1: It's basically her hair is turned into a giant bow
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Speaker 1: on top of her head. Oh interesting, it's wild. I
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Speaker 1: wonder if that's of the time or not, or it's
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Speaker 1: just this woman.
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Speaker 2: Is kookie a piece of work? Yeah, I mean she's
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Speaker 2: really under a dog and stuff.
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Speaker 1: When he's like, oh, perhaps I can stay home with
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Speaker 1: the dog and pet it, it just I don't know
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Speaker 1: what it was. He was like, please don't make me go.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be.
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Speaker 2: Wolf.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So that whole Solm's thing and Irene It is
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Speaker 1: interesting that she roll it back. Was she not seeing
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Speaker 1: the potential of romance for two reasons? One, she thought
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Speaker 1: he was going for Clarissa, her stepmother. Yeah, I was like,
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Speaker 1: what what he come on? He's just being nice to her?
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Speaker 1: And too, she knows who he is, she knows the
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Speaker 1: foresight name is it that she thinks, well, we're ruined,
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Speaker 1: so I'm I'm not of use to him, So he
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Speaker 1: couldn't be looking at man that way. I mean, is
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Speaker 1: it that happened but her mind, she didn't even wasn't
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Speaker 1: even open to that possibility because of those factors. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's maybe what I think. Maybe she just thought
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Speaker 1: he was just being nice. But you know, she's a
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Speaker 1: main character. I assume she's in every single episode, and
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Speaker 1: so something is going to be happening with her, although
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Speaker 1: I don't know what.
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Speaker 2: I know, I'm very excited, actually.
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Speaker 1: Very excited. Yeah, whose relationship are you excited to see
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Speaker 1: the future of Louisa and Joe or so and Irene?
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Speaker 2: I don't both. Yeah, you know, it's like these two
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Speaker 2: women that the family would not pick for their sons.
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Speaker 1: Both redheads. By the way, Oh interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know we do get mentioned in this episode
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Speaker 2: about renegade. I'm going to talk about that scene in
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Speaker 2: a second, but I'm like, oh, maybe maybe Joe and
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Speaker 2: Solmes are both renegades as well. You know, they do
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Speaker 2: not what the family wants. Yeah, yeah, that's a great point.
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Speaker 1: And it's so interesting because Solmes is like, Joe just
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Speaker 1: needs to get with the program and fall in line,
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Speaker 1: and here he is doing his own damn thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I want to talk about the
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Speaker 2: scene when June is so freaking adorable. First of all,
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Speaker 2: she's like this MVP of the show. I think her
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Speaker 2: and her stepdad Joe have more of like like a
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Speaker 2: sibling kind of vibe. Yeah, the way you know he's
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Speaker 2: he's not such a bother figure. He's more of like
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Speaker 2: a confidant, like an older sibling would be. I really
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Speaker 2: enjoy watching that. And so then at the end when
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Speaker 2: she feels like such betrayal when she learns about she
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Speaker 2: overhears about Joe and the dressmaker, and like she's so
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Speaker 2: upset about it. Kind of feels heartbreaking. But June, when
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Speaker 2: they're at the party or whatever, and she asks the
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Speaker 2: young guy, the carteret guy, Horatio, if he's ever read Frankenstein,
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Speaker 2: and she makes this Frankenstein analogy about like it being
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Speaker 2: so controlled, right, and it goes badly, which like she's
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Speaker 2: completely clocked the system that she lives in, Like like
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Speaker 2: you had said, either it might have been this episode
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Speaker 2: or the last one we did, but she has a
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Speaker 2: mind of her own, right.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And then she meets the guy on the stairs, Philip.
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Speaker 2: Who clocks her as being like, you know, a rebel right,
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Speaker 2: and then he's like, I'm a I think he calls
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Speaker 2: himself a just above.
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Speaker 1: Here, that's what he calls himself. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I had to pause and see like what he gave
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Speaker 2: her because I was like so fast, but it was
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Speaker 2: like it was like for a meeting ideals on socialism.
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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, look at June, Like she she
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Speaker 2: may do something different here, like way against the family.
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Speaker 2: Maybe she is like Joe in a lot of ways,
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Speaker 2: even not being.
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Speaker 1: His actual biological Oh. I think she is so much
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Speaker 1: more like Joe than her mother. Yeah, straining against the
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Speaker 1: shekels of the life that they have been handed. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was it was nice to see that
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Speaker 1: moment of teenage levity because she's eighteen years old, her
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Speaker 1: mother is trying to marry her off, but she sees
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Speaker 1: a cute boy and she's been him through the opera classes,
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Speaker 1: and I just it was nice to see her be
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Speaker 1: young and a little smitten yeah by boy. I thought
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Speaker 1: it was a nice scene. And she's so fun you know.
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Speaker 1: I was so torn when she overhears Joe and Francis
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Speaker 1: talking about Louisa and the children, and she's so hurt
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Speaker 1: by that, and I was like, Okay, but hear him
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Speaker 1: out because he again hasn't done anything wrong, Like everyone
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Speaker 1: knows he had a life. No, Okay, is it scandalous
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Speaker 1: that he has children, Yes, but A he didn't know
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Speaker 1: about them, and B he didn't know about her mother
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Speaker 1: before all of this. So I get that she feels
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Speaker 1: threatened because she's like the child in his life. But
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Speaker 1: in that moment, I was like, hold on, give Joe
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Speaker 1: a little bit of credit here, Like anytime someone's getting
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Speaker 1: mad at him, I'm like, hey, didn't do anything wrong.
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Speaker 1: You're totally at his defense. Yeah, I'm a Joe apologist
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Speaker 1: at this moment. You're funny. I would just like to
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Speaker 1: say the final shot of Francis all alone spying all
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Speaker 1: of Joe's Venice art and just they're washing over her
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Speaker 1: of like, why this is It's not just the place,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's the memories of the place that he
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Speaker 1: keeps recreating. It was great. Yeah, it was great. So
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Speaker 1: subtle but great too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then the closing shot of Some's and Joe side
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Speaker 1: by side on their terraces. Yeah, both going through it.
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Speaker 1: Loved it. One of them smoking, one of them's having
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Speaker 1: a drink. They're like, dude, Yeah, they.
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Speaker 2: Probably have more in common than they want to let
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Speaker 2: them allow themselves, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: if they could like get their shit together, maybe they
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Speaker 2: can like be a powerhouse business family. But there's so
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Speaker 2: much infighting there.
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Speaker 1: Just communicate people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, really, okay, let's go into wishes.
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Speaker 1: I am this is a repeat of last week for me.
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Speaker 2: I again, I need to know clearer details of the
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Speaker 2: family business. I need to understand why Joe versus Films
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Speaker 2: matters other than like it's a pissing contest between these
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Speaker 2: James and Joe Senior. That's what I need to know.
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Speaker 1: But almost it seems like James and Joe Senior are
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Speaker 1: on the same side. It seems like Joe's the only
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Speaker 1: one who feels differently when they're having that conversation about
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Speaker 1: the mining, and I was like, or the goal, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the mining.
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Speaker 2: The goal.
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Speaker 1: Again, I had to watch that scene twice and I
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Speaker 1: still was like, I don't understand what the argument is here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unclear to me.
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Speaker 1: I just need give me five minutes, give me you know,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't help for me that this is not a
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Speaker 1: business that I would understand under the best of circumstances.
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Speaker 1: I'm just not wired to fully understand the way this
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Speaker 1: business works. So I wish the business were something that
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Speaker 1: I could wrap my head around a little bit, like what,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, what are you making fun of me?
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Speaker 2: No, I would be I'm progressed to come up with
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Speaker 2: a business in this century, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to take myself out of my twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six frame of mind, and I also have to
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Speaker 1: wonder how strongly the details of the business do matter,
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Speaker 1: and if it's just the family dynamics in the business.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand a little bit better the role
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Speaker 1: of Isaac.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like he's a person that we don't
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Speaker 1: know enough about. I think in the last episode we
20:41
Speaker 1: talked about the very helpful Definitive Character Guide on PBS
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Speaker 1: dot org, and Isaac is listed there. It says he's
20:51
Speaker 1: originally from Sierra Leone, adopted by a clergyman and brought
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Speaker 1: to England for a gentleman's education. He's the in house
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Speaker 1: lawyer for Foresight, and and he's Joe's best friend and confidant.
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Speaker 1: I just think maybe it would be nice if we
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Speaker 1: knew more about him. We learned that he and Joe
21:08
Speaker 1: were close because he recognized Louisa from Venice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a really quick scene which they showed
21:17
Speaker 2: in episode one two of them boxing.
21:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh.
21:21
Speaker 2: And they mentioned Oxford, so I believe they went to
21:24
Speaker 2: school together.
21:24
Speaker 1: Oh nice, thank you. I kind of hope we get
21:26
Speaker 1: just a little more isaac backstory, a little more about
21:30
Speaker 1: his relationship with Joe. Yeah.
21:33
Speaker 2: I think you know, when Joe Senior says something to Isaac,
21:37
Speaker 2: like he basically asks his opinion of Joe Junior when
21:40
Speaker 2: he comes to his defense, Yeah, he had his back
21:43
Speaker 2: to Yeah. I would like more of that, more of
21:46
Speaker 2: their relationship. Yeah.
21:49
Speaker 1: I mean, when it comes to wishes in this episode,
21:51
Speaker 1: it's just like, give me more, give me more of
21:52
Speaker 1: the details. I just I just let's get into it.
21:55
Speaker 1: That's really where my wishes are lying. And I they're
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Speaker 1: doing a nice job. I'm really enjoying the pacing of
22:01
Speaker 1: this and the doling out of the dramatic moments and
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Speaker 1: the reveals.
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Speaker 2: So that's interesting when you mentioned pacing, because I do
22:10
Speaker 2: wish it was a tiny bit quicker.
22:14
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Really.
22:16
Speaker 2: It's slow burn and I know that it's like character driven.
22:21
Speaker 2: I just feel like sometimes like tighten some stuff up.
22:26
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I wonder
22:29
Speaker 1: IM's bad language for you that makes you makes it
22:32
Speaker 1: feel that way. Maybe maybe Yeah, to me, you have
22:36
Speaker 1: to turn me off, though I know that's interesting and
22:39
Speaker 1: I don't find it slow. And I also am watching
22:42
Speaker 1: it back to back with count of Monte Cristo, which
22:44
Speaker 1: is very slow paced, and I do enjoy the pacing
22:47
Speaker 1: of that. I think it's appropriate. This just feels like
22:51
Speaker 1: there's To me, it just feel like there's a lot happening.
22:53
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's interesting that it feel so too.
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Speaker 2: But it's only episode two. I know there's like a
23:03
Speaker 2: lot of things unfolding.
23:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we're potentially going to really slow
23:09
Speaker 1: down on the next couple as we start to flesh
23:12
Speaker 1: some of these relationships out. I think so too. Can
23:17
Speaker 1: I ask you a question? Yeah, did you care about
23:20
Speaker 1: the Bluebird?
23:24
Speaker 2: I've understood the significance of it at the end, except
23:29
Speaker 2: I was.
23:29
Speaker 1: Like, I think they gave it too much weight. I
23:32
Speaker 1: think so too. Like I think it's a nice It's
23:35
Speaker 1: it's a nice moment for June when she realizes, like
23:38
Speaker 1: this was important to Joe. He's kept it all this time.
23:44
Speaker 1: Now she knows where it came from, right, like he's
23:47
Speaker 1: held onto it. I think it like the significance of
23:49
Speaker 1: it for June helps solidify like how important Louisa is
23:54
Speaker 1: to Joe. Yeah, but I was like, stop flashing on
23:57
Speaker 1: the damn bluebird. You're like, okay, enough enough. I understand
24:03
Speaker 1: the need for Joe's long hair during his time in Venice,
24:06
Speaker 1: but I hate it.
24:08
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't like the little curls. It's so blonde,
24:12
Speaker 2: too write like he's been out in the sun, live
24:15
Speaker 2: in the life, and it's clearly a wig.
24:18
Speaker 1: I just don't like it. What else would you know? No,
24:23
Speaker 1: I understand I'm not suggesting that you. I just don't
24:26
Speaker 1: like it. I don't like the long hair. It's not
24:27
Speaker 1: his luck. I'm sorry. I don't hate it. Interesting, I
24:31
Speaker 1: don't hate it. I don't hate it at all. I
24:36
Speaker 1: have some questions for you.
24:37
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're Louisa, do you let Joe back in
24:44
Speaker 2: your life?
24:45
Speaker 1: No? You know, in the Count of Monte Cristo, we
24:50
Speaker 1: talk a lot about what motivates your actions, and a
24:52
Speaker 1: lot of people are motivated by self preservation. I think
24:58
Speaker 1: she says like, I'm I'm ruined here. I'm the one
25:01
Speaker 1: who's the whore if this comes out mm hmm and
25:06
Speaker 1: the old Okay, Yes, she loves him, clearly. Yes, her
25:12
Speaker 1: children potentially deserve a father, although she's a very wonderful mother.
25:17
Speaker 1: That's clear. So you got a weigh the cost, and
25:20
Speaker 1: to me, the cost isn't worth it as hard as
25:26
Speaker 1: it would be. What do you think I mean? I
25:29
Speaker 1: don't know.
25:30
Speaker 2: This episode leans so heavily into soulmates, right, Yeah, are
25:37
Speaker 2: Joe and Louisa's soulmates? If that's your soulmate. She's been
25:42
Speaker 2: in love with this man since he left. She had
25:47
Speaker 2: his two children, Like, I think she's in love with them,
25:50
Speaker 2: but you're right about self preservation, Like, she's like, what
25:53
Speaker 2: is she to do?
25:54
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
25:55
Speaker 2: She's established herself as a fantastic dressmaker in this town.
25:59
Speaker 1: And if it all comes out like she's ruined, we
26:04
Speaker 1: see how much power the family has over him. Even
26:07
Speaker 1: if Joe decides I want us to be together, he
26:12
Speaker 1: may not have the power to make that happen, and
26:14
Speaker 1: all his power lies in the family, And if the
26:16
Speaker 1: family cuts him off, he has nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I
26:22
Speaker 1: just don't know. I just don't want her to put
26:26
Speaker 1: her fate in the hands of this man.
26:28
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, what I don't want is to him carry
26:32
Speaker 2: on some sort.
26:33
Speaker 1: Of love affair. No, I don't want that either, he said.
26:36
Speaker 2: If he's married, I don't want that Francis like that
26:40
Speaker 2: turns him into a not so great guy. You know,
26:43
Speaker 2: unless what if we find out that Francis has not
26:46
Speaker 2: been behaving appropriately? Yeah, yeah, if she's been doing the
26:52
Speaker 2: dirty with Joe Senior, then it's then it's fair game, baby. Yeah,
26:58
Speaker 2: and I ford maybe that's swear we're gonna get. I
27:01
Speaker 2: don't know.
27:02
Speaker 1: I gotta spoil I gotta google.
27:04
Speaker 2: Hold on a second, I'm gonna do it.
27:08
Speaker 1: Just hold on a second, Okay. I just can't wait
27:11
Speaker 1: to watch this unfold. I'm super into it. I'm super
27:14
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, I just want to One line that
27:16
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention is before Joe realizes the children
27:21
Speaker 1: are his or that she has children, he says is
27:24
Speaker 1: the father dead? And she says as good as. I
27:26
Speaker 1: was like, oh that's a good line. Yeah, I thought
27:28
Speaker 1: that was a good line too. I thought that was
27:31
Speaker 1: a really good line too.
27:32
Speaker 2: In that same scene though, like when Little Holly's like
27:34
Speaker 2: are you crying?
27:35
Speaker 1: I was like, you're not crying. No, there was not
27:39
Speaker 1: a tear shed. He's like yes, I'm like, no, you're not, dude.
27:42
Speaker 1: I think these are happy tears. I'm like, well, yeah,
27:44
Speaker 1: these are no tears. Someone spray that man's face with
27:47
Speaker 1: a spray bottle exactly exactly. But I enjoyed it. I
27:51
Speaker 1: will be back for episode three, Yeah we will. Hey,
27:55
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