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Ep. 101 : Wave One Of The Deadline · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode one oh one of
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  Speaker 1: Cards and Categories. I'm Mike Coolard from ras Ball, joined
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  Speaker 1: as always by my very good friend Jeremy Burr, also
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  Speaker 1: from assball. Have you been traded yet for a reliever
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  Speaker 1: or have you checked?
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  Speaker 2: I think I sit firmly in player to be named later,
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  Speaker 2: status otherwise or cash considerations, negatives considerations, Absolutely, but not yet.
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  Speaker 2: The stove is hot, hot, hot, And to your point,
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  Speaker 2: it's all relieving relievers off the board right now. I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure Ryan McMahon is gonna start pitching at some
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  Speaker 2: point with what's going on, because there's not many position
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  Speaker 2: players moving, but there's plenty of relievers moving. And I
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  Speaker 2: think in the last hour there's been at least two
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  Speaker 2: closers that have changed teams, and so there's a lot happening.
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  Speaker 2: The day before the deadline. We are recording on July thirtieth.
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  Speaker 2: When's the July thirtieth, And we weren't sure how much
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  Speaker 2: trade talk we'd.
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  Speaker 3: Have, and I think we got enough. I think we
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  Speaker 3: got plenty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we thought we would only be maybe
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  Speaker 1: talking about rumors, but we've gotten I haven't even counted
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  Speaker 1: how many reliever trades have gone down today because it's
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  Speaker 1: gotten a little out of hand, and it's almost gotten
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  Speaker 1: to the point too where some of these situations it's
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  Speaker 1: almost impossible to evaluate because you have like Johan Duran
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  Speaker 1: going to the Phillies who had just signed David Robertson
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  Speaker 1: got Helsley going to the Mets, and then you've also
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  Speaker 1: got the backfill where as we kind of speak here,
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  Speaker 1: as you said on the thirty first or on the thirtieth,
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  Speaker 1: this will drop on the thirty first, so this will
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  Speaker 1: totally be irrelevant probably by the time we rolled out.
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  Speaker 1: We'll try to make it as ever green as possible,
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  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be tough. But the backfilling in Saint
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  Speaker 1: Louis some Minnesota is going to get fascinating because you
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  Speaker 1: don't even know like how far they're going to dig
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  Speaker 1: into that bullpen and keep dealing folks out. So it
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  Speaker 1: should be a fun weekend in terms of fab writing.
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  Speaker 1: You can check out my waiver wire piece on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: well where everything will have finally settled, so I'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to help you out weigh those waters. But also
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  Speaker 1: make sure when you're on ras ball check out those
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  Speaker 1: subscriptions to try to help you win down the stretch,
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  Speaker 1: because this is the time to start picking up players
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  Speaker 1: on the stream mater, the hit a tron, going for
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  Speaker 1: daily pickups, going for daily moves, finding every little edge
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  Speaker 1: piece of value that you can down the stretch, especially
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  Speaker 1: as folks kind of shade into fantasy football mindsets, you
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  Speaker 1: can pick up a lot of value just if your
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  Speaker 1: the rest of your league mates aren't paying as much attention.
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  Speaker 1: So it's primetime in fantasy baseball land. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: ton of stuff to cover this week. So let's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of start from the top with really the one
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  Speaker 1: piece of you said there's lots relievers moving, but one
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  Speaker 1: that's not going to be moving is Emmaanuel Class from
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  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Guardians, who has been placed on administrative leave
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  Speaker 1: for sports betting investigation that has also previously ensnared Luis
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  Speaker 1: l or Tez. There and have you seen videos of
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  Speaker 1: some of the pitches that people have kind of found
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  Speaker 1: in terms of jomboy style like digging through They're not
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  Speaker 1: great because if you recall from the Ortz investigation, what
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  Speaker 1: really snagged him was first pitches of innings and where
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  Speaker 1: you can bet whether or not that is a ball
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  Speaker 1: or a strike, and some of these Class A ones
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  Speaker 1: where he's like taking over the ninth, they're like spiked
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  Speaker 1: five feet in front of him. They're way outside, and
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  Speaker 1: if you're a role class closer, he's never also like
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  Speaker 1: looking down and being like, what's wrong with my grip?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of been like, ohh whatever. You
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  Speaker 1: can see the catcher is just totally thrown off his games.
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  Speaker 1: So it's also fascinating. This has happened twice now in Cleveland,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not I think coincidental that you want almost
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  Speaker 1: wonder if they were working in conjunction with whoever they're
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  Speaker 1: working with. Obviously, this is all a lot of speculation
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  Speaker 1: as MLB does their investigation over Class A and orties.
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  Speaker 1: I think I also maybe want to mention though, don't
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  Speaker 1: forget Meno Class A got popped for peds, So not
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  Speaker 1: exactly like the most stallwart person maybe in terms of
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  Speaker 1: not going against MLB rules. So is this something that
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  Speaker 1: maybe you're starting to look out for for more of
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  Speaker 1: these pictures pictures in terms of like or do you
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  Speaker 1: think that maybe MLB these couple of crackdowns will really
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  Speaker 1: really force all the players to get their stuff together
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  Speaker 1: and not kind of go up against these gambling sites
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  Speaker 1: and kind of try to play with them, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: just thoughts in general about gambling and its effect here
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  Speaker 1: on baseball.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's concerning, but it's isolated, and in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: like when we don't really know what truly is taking place,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's just all coincidental. Maybe there's no nothing actually
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  Speaker 2: taking place here. That's why the administrative leave. But it
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  Speaker 2: is an unfortunate class. A is a world class closer
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  Speaker 2: less this year than he has was last year from
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  Speaker 2: world class perspective, but it's absolutely terrible for Cleveland. He
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  Speaker 2: was probably trying to trade him and looking at some
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  Speaker 2: of the returns that folks are getting for these these closers,
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  Speaker 2: probably would have loved to capitalize on that. But so
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  Speaker 2: I look at relatively as an isolated incident. I did, however,
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  Speaker 2: find it very interesting that, you know, Cleveland is sponsored
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  Speaker 2: by bet three sixty or three sixty five I think
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  Speaker 2: it is, and that logo mysteriously disappeared from some broadcasts
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  Speaker 2: pretty pretty shortly up thereafter. So at least they're thinking
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  Speaker 2: through things there. But maybe it teaches them one or
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  Speaker 2: two things about advertising sports betting well, cracking down on
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  Speaker 2: players sports betting. If it's truly sports betting on your
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  Speaker 2: own performance, that's a much bigger deal than any other
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  Speaker 2: scenario that's, you know, not necessarily a Pete Rose type
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  Speaker 2: scenario where you just bet on everything. So it'll be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see how our things are treated at this point.
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  Speaker 2: I think you have to pretty much write Class A off. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: in redraft league's closers generally hard to come by, and
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  Speaker 2: right now I feel like there's only like ten of
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  Speaker 2: them out there.
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  Speaker 3: There's more, but it's kind of hard to figure out
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  Speaker 3: who's who.
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  Speaker 2: You don't get to put him on the injured list,
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  Speaker 2: and so he just takes up a bench spot for
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  Speaker 2: the next month as you try to figure out what happens.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, feel free to I guess to cut him loose.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not looking good for manual Class A.
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  Speaker 1: No. I mean, I don't know if he's actually ever
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  Speaker 1: going to come back. I wouldn't be surprised if Class
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  Speaker 1: A and ortis are stuck with lifetime bands here. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like the fact pattern. I just don't see how
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  Speaker 1: they would be put on such lengthy administrative leaves without
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  Speaker 1: there really being some evidence there, and especially given the
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  Speaker 1: way that the digital sports books work is that they
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  Speaker 1: communicate a lot with the league on this, and the
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  Speaker 1: players aren't actually allowed to bet on any bat to
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  Speaker 1: ball sports like period. They can't bet on any minor
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  Speaker 1: league baseball, any softball things like that. So there is
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  Speaker 1: a pretty bright line there, and if he did cross it,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't blame them for taking him out
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  Speaker 1: of this and putting him on leave and banning him,
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  Speaker 1: because it's just it's a very slippery slope I think
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the way this will go. But you
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  Speaker 1: also can't blame them considering, like you said, all the
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  Speaker 1: advertising that's in their faces if they did fall victim
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  Speaker 1: or prey to some of these betting sites. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously I don't want to kind of project things onto
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  Speaker 1: ortis and Class A, but it's not like they're crossover
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  Speaker 1: of folks that are in MLB and those with the
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  Speaker 1: susceptibility to gambling. Addiction is a zero ven diagram. So
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  Speaker 1: there's some blood I think on the league's hand in
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  Speaker 1: terms of how far they've let the betting go. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: also on top of it, like I'm sure folks before
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  Speaker 1: you tuned into this podcast probably got a betting based advertisement.
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily condone that. So like, it's, uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: just everywhere and it's hard to avoid, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: not great. I don't feel great about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the only thing that let's to find
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  Speaker 2: out is about class. A had an interpreter that's betting
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  Speaker 2: for him, so.
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  Speaker 3: Ll we'll see. There's nothing you to drop here. But
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  Speaker 3: you're probably right.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm giving the benefit of the group doubt to say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's action figure out what happens here. But I think
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  Speaker 2: if if it's not appropriate to say, but if I
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  Speaker 2: was a betting man, I would say, we're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: see my class play pitching, at least not this year,
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  Speaker 2: but probably for a much longer than that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be fascinating to see how on wines too,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean this he was on a Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame track through age twenty seven. Right now, he had
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty two saves of one eighty eight
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  Speaker 1: career er and just to flush it all down the drain,
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  Speaker 1: for there's no way could have covered through the betting
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  Speaker 1: whatever the kickback was to cover his four million dollars
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  Speaker 1: annual salary through the end of next year and then,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, like this legacy is gone, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't have any issue. I think moving on from Class
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  Speaker 1: A wherever you have him, because I don't like the
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  Speaker 1: way that this is trending. Okay, well, you said, we're fast, quickly,
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  Speaker 1: rapidly approaching the trade deadline tomorrow afternoon, So let's get
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  Speaker 1: into some of the trades that we do have before
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  Speaker 1: we get into a very lengthy injury report because it's
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  Speaker 1: been a bloodbath over the past week. First one we're
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  Speaker 1: going to start with is Josh Naylor going to Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: so he was dealt from Arizona and also has become
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  Speaker 1: the first player for the Diamondbacks in Diamondbacks history to
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  Speaker 1: steal four bags in his first four games. So way
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  Speaker 1: to go there, Josh Naylor is he's just kind of
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  Speaker 1: turned into the burner that we obviously all predicted he
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  Speaker 1: would turn he would become. He is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a free agent in the offseason, so it's not sticking
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  Speaker 1: in Seattle. But in Arizona he had been hitting two
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  Speaker 1: ninety two, three sixty four forty seven. That's a one
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  Speaker 1: to twenty three WRC plus with eleven homers and eleven steals.
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  Speaker 1: How close do you think he can come to replicating
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  Speaker 1: that production which was up there? I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's probably I haven't checked our player rat in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, but that he was trending in like the
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  Speaker 1: top five six ish first baseman throughout the season, partly
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  Speaker 1: because of those bags. Eleven bags is a lot uh,
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  Speaker 1: not a quick dude very much in the I take
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  Speaker 1: a base when it's opportune for me type of steeler
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  Speaker 1: Josh Naylor is. But do you think he can come
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  Speaker 1: anywhere close to that line that he produced with Arizona
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  Speaker 1: now that he's in Seattle?
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I am concerned this is probably the worst lngthing
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  Speaker 2: spot that Josh Naylor could could have had a team
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  Speaker 2: that's I'd say Douns decently have to play Coyle. Rally's
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  Speaker 2: kind of figured out that ballpark two degree. But you
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  Speaker 2: know that he's moving from arguably one of the top
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  Speaker 2: three ballparks to hit to arguably the worst. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if you actually look at this year, out of Seattle's
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  Speaker 2: second worst ballpark the last three years has been the
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  Speaker 2: worst ballpark Diamondbacks Chase Field has been a top five
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  Speaker 2: ballpark this year top three of the last few years.
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  Speaker 3: So he has a.
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  Speaker 2: Significant, significant downgrade from a ballpark perspective, and you know
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna zapp his power to a degree. And also,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Naylor just isn't necessarily a burner. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I have to think that That's not why cl really
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  Speaker 2: went after him. It's not to steal. But hey, to
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  Speaker 2: your point, he's done. He's that's the one thing he's
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  Speaker 2: doing so far since he got there is running, so
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  Speaker 2: unfortunate for him. I still think he's got a decent
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  Speaker 2: amount of value. He's he's on arguably a career year
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  Speaker 2: after what was arguably a careerer last year. So he's
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  Speaker 2: he's really turned into a solid fantasy fantasy hitter here.
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  Speaker 3: So still a lot of value there.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm taking it down to probably about ninety percent
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  Speaker 2: expectations versus what I would have had if he remained
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  Speaker 2: in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think that's fair. I also misspoke. I
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  Speaker 1: meant to say he's the first Mariners player in this
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  Speaker 1: first four games.
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  Speaker 3: I just I just rolled with it. I knew it,
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  Speaker 3: chanted I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to the next trade, which literally
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  Speaker 1: just went down. Like an hour ago, we have Ryan Helsley,
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  Speaker 1: closer from the Saint Louis Cardinals, moving to the New
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  Speaker 1: York Mets, where he should presumably be in the setup
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  Speaker 1: role for or Edwin Diaz. But if anything does go
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  Speaker 1: awry with Diaz, I think Helsley would be the next
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  Speaker 1: man up there. In return, the three prospects came back
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  Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. One of those is Hayesus Bias, who
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  Speaker 1: this kind of shows like what the price is escalated
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  Speaker 1: to on the reliever market, because Bias is a pretty
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  Speaker 1: solid prospect in I think he's number six in MLB pipeline,
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  Speaker 1: fifteenth on fanographs as a forty plus there. But honestly,
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  Speaker 1: he's a little bit better of a fantasy prospect. Bias
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  Speaker 1: is because he's got a great, solid hit tool. He's
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  Speaker 1: a twenty year old right now in High A hitting
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  Speaker 1: two forty four, three thirty four, four h six. That's
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  Speaker 1: a one to twenty three WRC plus with ten homers
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  Speaker 1: seven stolen bases. So thoughts here on Hellsley going to
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  Speaker 1: the Mets, if any and a little bit of insight
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  Speaker 1: maybe on Bias and what you might be stashing him
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  Speaker 1: away in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, ultimately this hurts Helsey's value.
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  Speaker 2: Like if there was one spot that he was going
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  Speaker 2: to go to that he was not going to be
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  Speaker 2: closing there, there weren't many. That is what is in
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  Speaker 2: New York. He's probably I think he still gets a
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  Speaker 2: few safe chances here and there because Diaz is you know,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit chaotic at times, and I think he's
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  Speaker 2: a guy they don't want to always throw back to back.
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  Speaker 2: So this this will give him a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: of reprieve in a more of a long term format,
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  Speaker 2: dynasty type format. You got to keep Helsley because he's
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  Speaker 2: been a free agent. He's likely going to be a
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  Speaker 2: closer somewhere else. Uh next year. That's he's going to
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  Speaker 2: get paid paid to do that. That's very much kind
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  Speaker 2: of the Tanner Scott uh scenario that we saw as
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  Speaker 2: far as losing jobs, coming back and getting a closing
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  Speaker 2: role in the off season between the Padres and the
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  Speaker 2: in the in the Dodgers last year. So I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Helsley has taken a step back this year,
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  Speaker 2: not incredibly far far back, but uh, and he's been
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  Speaker 2: in probably value from fantasy perspective, but it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: kind of muted the rest of the year. He'll still
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  Speaker 2: give some some relatively valuable ratio numbers outside of the
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  Speaker 2: Whip's been a little oh question this year.
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  Speaker 3: Decent return.
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  Speaker 2: I think for the Cardinals they were going after non
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  Speaker 2: forty man roster guys, and so I think they actually
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  Speaker 2: be actually be happy and both the pictures they got
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  Speaker 2: outside of bias actually gets some pretty high marks from
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  Speaker 2: some prospect evaluators out there, much more upside guys, but
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  Speaker 2: have been performing really really well since they since they've
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  Speaker 2: got up the Mets system so further away, but to
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  Speaker 2: your point, still pretty gosterned solid return for a few
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  Speaker 2: months here of a of a middle reliever at this
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  Speaker 2: point on the Mets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody in the Cardinals bullpen that you might be
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  Speaker 1: targeting for saves going forward?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's the tough one is I think the answer
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  Speaker 3: is yes. But will they be there tomorrow? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: And so if you're looking at the hierarchy, they're in
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals bullpen. I probably got a film a Tune
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  Speaker 2: as the default closer for the next day, and then
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  Speaker 2: followed closely by Jojo Romero, But both of them, I
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily expect are going to necessarily beyond the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: as of roughly twenty four hours from now, and so
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  Speaker 2: I think if you have to go a little bit
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  Speaker 2: deeper and you're looking to try to find the guy
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  Speaker 2: that's really going to be the closer for the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the season, if I'm picking, I might
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  Speaker 2: go with Gordon Griffeco.
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  Speaker 3: More Kyle Lay. Those are the two that I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Graffaco actually has a little bit better stuff like from
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  Speaker 2: a closer type perspective, looks a little bit more like
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  Speaker 2: a traditional closer, and I think they're going to try
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  Speaker 2: to give somebody just a run at it, and he's
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  Speaker 2: the guy that I think is the last man standing
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  Speaker 2: after the trade deadline that gets that role. Mattz is
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  Speaker 2: the other guy that people will probably talk about. I
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  Speaker 2: don't see him getting the closure role at all if
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  Speaker 2: he sticks around because he's first of all, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he'll stick around, but he fits more than a
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  Speaker 2: swing man, middle reliever scenario. So going on the limb
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  Speaker 2: and those are the guys that go after. But that's
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  Speaker 2: mainly because I think the rest of the bullpen's going
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  Speaker 2: to be traded.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't pick my favorite. I think mine's Riley O'Brien.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, well, I thought you might go there. I just
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  Speaker 2: the control I just I don't the control barks are a.
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  Speaker 1: Bit much, but it is nasty stuff, and so I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like in terms of it depends on
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  Speaker 1: what the Cardinals do, because like even without Hellsley, and
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  Speaker 1: because this is still a strange lane for them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're only I mean, it's not going great against the
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  Speaker 1: Marlins right now, but you know, they're a game back
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  Speaker 1: of five hundred, and they're still a little bit in
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  Speaker 1: the mix, and it's just kind of been a lowell
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  Speaker 1: offensively that I wonder if they also consider, like, hey,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: we can still maybe hang around this thing a little bit,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: if they really just want to pack it in, then
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's actually even more of a reason for
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals to go with Riley O'Brien, just to see
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: what a live arm can do and if he can
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Swiss stand up to the pressure of being a closer,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: maybe reel in those walks a little bit. If it
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: melts down over the first couple of weeks, then they
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: can go a different direction. But if you're looking for
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest upside play the biggest ceiling play,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and you don't care about floor, especially if you're in
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a situation like maybe Autnu where you're just trying to
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: stash away the next closer. I think Riley O'Brien's not
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a bad place to go.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of the day, I think it
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: said that I think the majority of this bullpen should
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: be traded in the next twenty four hours, so we
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: will see what actually happens. Because as a lifetime Cardinals fan,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: seeing them actually make a decision to do one or
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the other is not traditionally what we've had, but see
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: move gives us hope that a decision has been made
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: of selling here.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Will they actually do it effectively?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Whole different discussion, Yes, exactly. Okay, next trade we have
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is another closer leaving his role, and this one's a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: little bit more of a question mark because I alluded
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to it at the top of our show. We've got
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Johann Duran going from the Minnesota Twins to the Phillies
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: in exchange for Mick Abele and Eduardo Tait. So those
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: are two pretty solid prospects right there, as you. I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: think actually part of it too is we're going to
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: see the prices go higher because of Class A being
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: off of the board. That like, it just becomes a
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: supply and demand issue for elite relievers, and so Duran
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: here has been I would say okay with the twins
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: in terms of what you were expecting coming in the season,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: because the K nine has slipped under ten, it's at
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: nine point seven. The era has been fine, and the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: fifth has been fine at two one and two forty
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: nine a piece, but he's only picked up sixteen saves
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and has kind of been moved around a little bit
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: in that Minnesota bullpen, just speaking as somebody who had
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a few Johan Duran shares coming into the season and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: they've been shuffling him around with Griffin Jacks, who's also
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: kind of struggled, but may also be out the door
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota as they're clearly selling. So what do you
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: think the closer situation is going to be in both
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Philly and Minnesota. We'll focus on that first and then
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: maybe follow up on Mickabel afterwards.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's really no question for me
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that Duran is the Phillies closure.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Like I know that you could argue for Robertson or
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But like he's Duran's brought in to be the closure,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and yeah, he's not been as downant this year, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: he's he has such a great arsenal and isn't susceptible
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to the home run like a lot of guys. So
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the Phillies they need a guy like that, and so
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: he's gonna absolutely be be the closer that in Minnesota,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's default Griffin Jacks. But I think, just
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: like the conversation with Philmtoon over in Saint Louis, I'm
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: not confident he's gonna be there tomorrow. And so at
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: what point you look at probably a Louis Varland or
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: brock Stewart or something like that. A shout out to
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: brock Stewart, Blumington, normal guy, but you know, I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: those are gonna be the guys that you look back on.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Very similar to Saint Louis. They're just looking to kind
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of plug somebody in to last throughout the rest of
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the season, and uh, they don't, I don't. They don't
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: really have like an up and coming guy at this
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: point at the major league level that they're going to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: try to get all those uh opportunities and so I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: think Varlin is probably the guy, uh that if Jack
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: s mooves tomorrow, is the guy that gets the opportunity, uh,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: since he does have a little bit more uh control
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: uh left for for the twins and they'll they'll get
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a chance to take advantage of that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what about you.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Are you in the same same spot there with those
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: bullpens expecting Jacks to move, expecting Duran to be the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: full time closer there in Philadelphia?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so that like a little bit of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a bummer, considering I just dropped a nice little bit
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: on David Robertson in our CBS league together. But so, yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that's a bit of a bummer, considering Robertson probably went
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: for decent dollars in fab auctions this weekend. I mean,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: also a little bit surprising that this happened just because
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Duran still has two years left. He's not a Frasian
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: until twenty twenty seven, which is why it cost the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Phillies a couple of pretty high end prospects. In terms
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of what you were talking about on the Minnesota bullpen,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I agreed, like, if anything, this is way more of
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a weight and see situation than the Cardinals, because like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: there are a few arms that you kind of highlighted
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and I highlighted with O'Brien and the Cardinals bullpen, but like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I have no clue in this Twins bullpen because if
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: they're going to tear it down to the level of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: this is going to be a competitive team next year,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and they just got rid of their closer for next year,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: where are they going. Are they gutting this all the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: way further in the liquidating the team in Minnesota or
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: did they just get an offer they couldn't refuse for
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Duran or you know, it's there's a lot of variables.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of different arms in that bullpen
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and so it'll be fascinating to see who's
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: still around this time tomorrow. But let's turn to some
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of those prospects that came back, because one, you have
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Mick Abel, who has pitched a couple times in the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: major leagues this year handful six times. It's been very
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: mixed in terms of a five over four ERA, but
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: has been steady in triple a over seventy four innings
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with a two thirty one ERA. As he's finally honed
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in the walks that were really his issue since being
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: drafted in the first round of twenty twenty. Just big
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: live arm. We'll see what the Twins can do there.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: The other player here, Edward O. Tate, is actually a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: huge get for this deadline, I think in terms of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: prospect value. He's an eighteen year old in High A
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: as a catcher, which is like Ethan Solis level type
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of like stuff. You don't see very many eighteen year
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: olds at that level. He has been mostly at Low
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Way but was recently promoted to HYA. Has hit two
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: fifty five three nineteen four thirty four over three hundred
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and sixty total play appearances over both stretches. So that's
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a one oh seven WRC plus for an eighteen year
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: old down at that level, a guy that you would
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: normally just be seeing in like the Dominican Summer League
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: or maybe Complex Ball. So what's your interest here in
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Abel and Tate joining Minnesota Twins.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think my biggest interest is more just in
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: an intrigue, which is Nick Abels, Like there's something Minnesota
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Twins love tall pitchers. I don't if you've noticed this,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: but like Joe Ryan is the smallest guy in that
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: rotation at like six to two, and then it's like
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: six ten six five six six and like ables to
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: a six to five guy. They love these big downhill pitchers,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and so they clearly see something that fits in their system.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: And Able's been up and down, but we all know
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that the talent's there. First rounder.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Does a lot of things well in control. His just
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: until this year has been his biggest concern. It seems
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: like it's played a lot better this year. So I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: think there's a potential up arrow there, especially if he
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: can get up, maybe change up scenery, it'll be go
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: ahead and see him make.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Some improvements there. So I think that's a good get.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: But to your point, it takes I think the biggest
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: piece here, Like he absolutely looks like a solid player,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and he's already arguably top fifty prospect in the league,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and so I think you might be right here where
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the Twins got an offer they couldn't refuse and went
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: with it because they have Griffin Jacks that could slide
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: in that role. So you know, I said Jackson be
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: gonna be traded, but but it's very possible that there
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: they just look to capitalize on an asset here and said,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: we got somebody else that can be a closer. We'll
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: retool a little in the off season at the back
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of the bullpen and we'll be fine. But we we
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: see an opportunity here to add a potential I call
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: mid to back rotation arm and able and then a potential,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you know, long term valuable bat in.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: The catcher position. So I think this was a good
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: get for I think it's a good trade all around.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Is really, I think what it comes to.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And I think it's fair to say for both of
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the closures we saw with Hellsley and duran traded tonight,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it these are good baseball trades for for for both teams.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: You had to pay up, but you didn't have to
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: give like Andrew Painter to get Durant or something.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think especially in this Duran and trade,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: big up arrows next to all three of these players,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: between duran By and Philly for at least through twenty
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: twenty seven, huge dynasty had then For that perspective, you're
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: looking at Mick Abel actually having a place where he
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry about, you know, trying to crack
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: at the rotation against Zach Wheeler and hazus Lozardo at
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: all in Philadelphia, So huge up arrow there in a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: dynasty league, and huge up arrow for Eduardo Tait two
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in a dynasty league. Because there's not really many catchers
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: in that Minnesota system. I'm looking through it on roster resource.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: No one's really kind of like that next catcher of
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the future. And Ryan Jeffers is a free agent after
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, so you could see them. I mean,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Tate's already in Hya. If he goes to double A
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and triple A next year, you could be seeing Tate
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: up pretty quickly, especially given he's a left handed bat.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: He seems to be really solid. So I think all
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: three in a disty keeper situation well worth acquiring.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yep, don't disagree.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to some third basement trades. So
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: we had two hot corners traded. One happened a little
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: bit earlier than the other. So we have Ryan McMahon
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: finally making that move from Colorado to the Bronx that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: has been kind of feels like this has been rumored
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: for like two or three years, especially given that the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yankees have been dealing with lots of fielding woes over
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks. This is a move they
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: needed to be able to make to shore up the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: defense behind the pitchers there. I mean, the last time
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that Ryan McMahon wasn't an elite defense of glove was
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. I guess that is
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a full season there technically, but he is among the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: best third basement in the game that can pick it,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: so huge up arrow, I think for Yankees' pitchers in general,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: considering what's been at third base behind them. The question here, though,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: is what do you think we get out of McMahon here,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: because on his career, obviously he's played in cours his
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: entire career, So the home batting average, uh, I didn't
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: try to figure out the splits of like peeling out
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the time with the Yankees. So his career home splits
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: right now is two sixty three batting average at home,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: two sixteen on the road. But we do know that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: there's a Cooris field hangover effect here where just you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: have to adjust to being able to see like curveballs
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: actually move when you get out of Coors. You're adjusting
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to and from the altitude, and so that two sixteen
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't tell the whole truth of who Ryan McMahon will
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: probably be in New York. This is a guy who
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: is a career two forty hitter. That's honestly probably where
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I think he's probably gonna settle with the Yankees. What
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: about you? Do you think there's more upside to the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: two forty or more downside as you're looking at McMahon
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: in the Bronx.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if if I was gonna take an
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: over under on the two forty, I'd probably go under,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: but not by much. I think he's he's at two
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: thirty five. I would say two thirty five hitter, but
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you know, we're we're splitting hairs there. The projection system
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: seem as like a two two twenty hitter. It's like
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: they're just looking what he's doing this year and projecting
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it forward. But I think he is a little bit
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: better hitter. I think the ballpark it's this weird dynamic
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: where it's like an upgrade downgrade scenario where you're you're
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: missing the cores effect, but you got the shorter porch
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: there uh in in the outfield for McMahon, and so
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I think that there's definitely some intrigue. It'll be interesting
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: to see how he adjusts from not beating cores in
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you know what takes place. He actually is a little
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: bit more of a spray hitter than some of these
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: other guys that you know, Yankees love to bring these
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: lefties in because they're just chasing, chasing that short porch
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: out and right field, and McMahon he uses it. But
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he's generally a pretty spray hitter all all across the Diamond.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: He has pulled more uh this year than his history,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm guessing the Yank Yankees are gonna kind of
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: lean into that. But I think this is only a
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: good news for McMahon. He's got a better cast around him.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: You have to expect that he's gonna get better lineup protection,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and there's just something about playing for a team that
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: like Cares and so uh yeah, is he gonna you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: was he hitting cleanup short of the time in Colorado?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Is he gonna drop down the lineup a little bit
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: here for for the Yankees? Sure, But I still think
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: this is a fantastic move for McMahon and it definitely
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: bumps up his value the rest of the season.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. So I think you you nailed it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: That you you've got to be able to tell your
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: story self, the story that this could be invigorating for
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Ryan McMahon, and I think that only good can probably
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: happen that I don't know if there's he's also like
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: not a Joey gallow level name coming to New York, where,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: like I know, Gallo really struggled when he joined the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yankees because of just like the pressure of being in
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: New York. I don't think anybody in New York knows
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: who the hell Ryan McMahon is.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he's gonna slide in there, and he's he's
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: not the savior like that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: That's a huge, exactly huge.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Lift off of the player. But he's got a lot
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: of he's got a lot of value that he will
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: bring to that lineup.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's fair. Okay. The other third baseman
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that we had traded was Cabrian Hayes going across the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: division from the Pirates to the Reds and should take
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: over immediately as the third baseman there in Cincinnati, although
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. They've had a no weelv Marte there,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: but they've been trying to move him in and out
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of the outfield a little bit. And you know, Will
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Benson has kind of been doing his classic Will Benson
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: up and down. So there's room, I think for Hayes. Plus,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I think the Reds really want Cabrian Hayes as his
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: glove in the lineup every day, considering if there was
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: one third baseman who's probably better than Ryan McMahon, it's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Cabrian Hayes. And so he's bringing his elite glove to Cincinnati.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: But it also comes with a career eighty four wsrc
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: plus with a two fifty four, three oh seven three
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: sixty nine career slash line even worse this year two
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: thirty six, two seventy nine, two ninety ten. Stone bases
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to save his profile a little bit. But is there
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: any hope of Cabrian Hayes returning any value in fantasy baseball?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: No. You know, I used to be on the Cabrian
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Hayes bandwagon because I'm a big fan of the guys
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that needs to make one tweak to be relevant, and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Cabrian Hayes was that for a few years where he
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: just hit the snod out of the ball. He absolutely
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: obliterated the ball. Problem is he just hit into the
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: ground every single time, and so those were just hot grounders,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: you know, to the second basement is all ends up
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: being and uh, you were just hoping that he would
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: start to put the ball in the air, and he is.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: He has not made any any adjustment to that over
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: his career, and what's really ended up parting him is, uh,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: even those that he's put in the air just have
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: making out. So he's had some suffering, some some poor
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: luck from a home run for fly ball rate as well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: because he's just hitting liners and ground balls and he's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: just not this He does not play the launch angle
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: game like like like others do, and so he's there
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: for the glove. He's that's absolutely why he's there. Is
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: there maybe a little you know, opportunity from to revive, sure,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: but this one was much more about the Pirates getting
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: out from under a contract and the Reds looking for
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a really really solid, solid third basement that could help
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: that pitching staff in a in a tough pictures ballpark.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: That that's what I see with this one. I didn't
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: see how is what there was, how much what happened
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: with the actual contract itself. I should have looked at
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: up before we got on there, but he was on
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: a pretty substantial extension that he had signed all the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: way through twenty nine here. So this is not a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: this is not a short term play here by by
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: any means from from the Reds. And I, like I said,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I really think the Pirates are just trying to get
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: out from one of this contract.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's kind of also why Taylor Rodgers, we
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: didn't talk about the return for Pittsburgh because it wasn't
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: substantial as Taylor Rodgers and then a minor leaguer that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was new to me. I have to actually look it up.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: He's probably like one of the top ones. Yeah, Sammy
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Steffura Steffurr. I believe he is a twenty year old
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: in a ball so he's hitting one thirty one WRC
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: plus there but could rise to prominence. But when's the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: last time the Pittsburgh Pirates developed a hit or just
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: look like Brian Ays. So there's that. So that is why,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like Taylor Rodgers went back to offset a little bit
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that money, and I think the Pirates also kicked in
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: cash to Cincinnati as well. But yeah, he is going
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: to be there for a while, which I think is intriguing,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit from just you're looking at Red's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: pitching that they haven't had a third baseman who can
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: kind of stick it the way that Hayes can. But
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they play in the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: ballpark where fly balls are king, so it might not
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: make that much of a difference.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe the biggest news here was that
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: both the Rogers brothers got traded on the same day,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Tyler and Taylor. Will got traded. So, you know, funny
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: facts like this is this is what I love about baseball.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: When's the last time that two twins, two brothers got
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: traded on the same same day near the trade online?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Probably never, and it's irrelevant, but it's still fun.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, great time. Okay, we got one last trade that
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I want to cover from a fantasy relevant perspective, because
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: if we wanted to talk about every single reliever trade
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that's going to be that's happened, we would be here first.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Probably another's happened.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Will been recording. I just checked up. There hasn't yet,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: but I feel like one's about to drop, So the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: other one I want to I want to focus on.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It's actually two trades, the Rays. This is one of
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the stranger situations I think I've in just my baseball
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: kind of like watching time, where the Rays traded Danny
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Jansen to Milwaukee, who had been relatively solid for the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Rays as a I mean, especially if you're in like
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a fifteen team league. He was playing in terms of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a two oh four three fourteen three eighty nine slash
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: line as a catcher. The big calling card was his
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: eleven taters, so that's what he was there for. Going
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to be a backup in Milwaukee, So pretty useless I
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: think going forward, because even with William Canturis being a
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: little banged up there battling a hand injury, he's not
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: going to date very much. As Reyes Hoskins should be
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: back pretty soon and they're already in talks for other
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: bats there, so should be a strict kind of backup
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: role for Danny Jansen. So what the Rays then did
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: was to bring a Nick Fortes from the Miami Marlins
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to be able to catch it in tandem with Matt Tice,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: who should be the standard every day catcher there in Tampa.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Now Tye is I don't think Fortes or Tye have
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: any fancy relevance where I'm going here with this question,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: is any concerns maybe with race pitching going forward, because
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this is a reason why you don't see too many
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: catchers move at the deadline because of just the uphill
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: battle of having to learn a pitching staff when joining
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a new team. But now we've kind of got the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: flip side here where even Tye wasn't with the Rays
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the entire season. He started actually on the White Sox
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and then moved his way to the Rays. So you've
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: got two relatively new catchers in Tampa. Does that give
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you pause or concern about any of their pitchers going forward?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: As you know there could be a lack of repertoire
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: between the pitcher and the backstop or just a lack
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: of communication.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would generally say yes, except for I think
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: that's exact reason they brought Nick Fourtes in. He has
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: readed out historically as a much above average catcher, really
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: great framer, and so I think they brought him in
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: first of all cost saving metrics, but to keep the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: stability there because he is a really good fielding catcher.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Uh maybe not a hitting catcher by by any means.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So I think he's he's gonna probably play a little
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: bit more than people expect because I think they're expecting
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: him to handle the brunt of that pitching staff, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: there is a talented but young pitching staff. They're they're
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: in Tampa, and so I think they're wanting him to
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: maybe usher them in. The Rays love to straddle the
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: line right at the trade deadline. They feel like that
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Like if any team, UH in the major leagues represents
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: a true like fantasy dynasty team, it's the Rays. They're
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: always buying and.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Selling you you quit, can't quite tell what they're want
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: to do. Uh.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: They're like that guy in your league that is never
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: gonna win it, but never gonna lose it. He's the
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: consistent fourth place finisher.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: That's you're talking about me.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Sorry, if I wasn't gonna say that, I may have
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: had names in mind, but I'm just gonna keep him
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: myself for now. But I think I'm not too concerned
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: about the rotation because I think that's what why Fortest
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: was brought in.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well, I don't know how to handle
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: that slight. That was a that was very low key
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: into the culture out but that was very smooth. That's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: going to wrap up our our trade session here before
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: we get into the doom and gloom of all the injuries,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I figured maybe we can start with a couple of promotions.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So we had a couple of big ones happened this week.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: First one we've got is Alex Freeland of the Los
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Angeles Dodgers, a switch hitting shortstop who in the update
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: on Fangrafts's Top Prospects list clocked it at number thirty nine,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: which is pretty good considering he was a third round
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty two out of Central Florida and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: signed a pretty low bonus deal. So the Dodgers really
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: developed Freeland as he was slashing two fifty three, three
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: seventy seven four twenty one. That's a one oh eight
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: WRC plus and triple A as a twenty three year
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: old twelve homer seventeen stolen basis, so good power speed
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: combo coming up to place shorts up probably most of
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the time. Because Tommy Edmund's kind of falling apart and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: has been battling an ankle issue again. His Hayes on
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Kim is on the I L H. Mookie Betts has
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: been shuffled around, and I guess freelance more a third
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: bets is that shortstop, so he should be at least
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: in the lineup until Max Mounsey comes back. But at
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: this point they probably also don't want to rush Max
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Munsey from that knee injury to make sure that he's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: recovered for the playoff run. So what do you see
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: here in Alex Freeland's bat? How aggressively are you going
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to be trying to acquire him in leagues with that
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: he's going to be on the waiver wire.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that this this is a
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call it a solid, high floor, lowish ceiling
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: type of bat.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: He oddly kind of feels like a Tommy Edmund good
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: comp is you know, middling that average, little pop, little speed, uh,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: nothing overly amazing. You know, his stats at Triple A
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: do look decent, but you have to remember, you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: the league he was playing is has some good numbers.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: He was only eight.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Percent above league league gaverage there, and so the twelve homer,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: seventeen steel seventy one RBI is like it's a as
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: a league that produces of offense. So I'm not jumping
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: out here. The Dodgers also have a tendency to bring
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: these guys up because they don't have any more development
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to be done, but they don't also have a full
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: time role for them. So I think he's a he's
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: worth a dart throw, but I'm not running out anytime
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: soon to try to grab Freeland. I think he's gonna
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: he's gonna spot start type of thing. He's gonna get
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: something for a little bit, but as Edmond gets healthy,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: as once he gets healthy, the bats are gonna probably
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: dry up. I think he's gonna be more of a
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: super utility guy for for a little short term play here.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's all fair, and even long term,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to see how Freeland kind of works
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: his way into this team. I guess Max Munsey could
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: be a free agent because it's a club option in
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the offseason, So maybe that is why they've been trying
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to break Freeland in at third to see if he
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: can stick for Munsey in twenty twenty six. But that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: is something maybe to watch, is that if Freeland can
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: hang and play third, then he might actually be a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: bit of a dynasty buy, because if he's the opening
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: day third baseman for the Los Angeles Dodgers, in twenty
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: twenty six. Even if he's hitting ninth, that's still a
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: great lineup.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you are right, Like if he can, he's one
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of those guys. If he can start off solid and
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: just continue to be like healthy, field, well, run well,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: hit well enough, then he might be able to sneak
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: out some value just playing this unbelievable lineup and get
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: a little value that way. But yeah, still not a
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: guy that I'm gonna go head over heels for.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and mostly just showed that he can whiff at
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: less than a thirty percent k rate, so that's be
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: pretty key I think for him. Okay, next promotion we
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: have of a major prospect is Carson wizen Hunt finally
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: debuted for the San Francisco Giants this week. It was
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a very middling debut, as he allowed four earned runs
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: over his five innings only struck out four as well.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Let me three, he only struck out three,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: so not even didn't even get the fourth strikeout there,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, like all the stuff looked bad on the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: stuff plus metrics, where that's kind of what I was
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: hoping would be. Carson wizen Hunt's saving grace is that,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I mean he's his changeup is nasty, but I just
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna work in major league baseball stuff.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Plus also isn't great about like clocking change ups and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: stuff the first go around. But I mean you can
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: just see in terms of its usage and it's k rates,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: it was just okay. And so he is also going
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to struggle, I think, to keep it in the strike zone.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: That's kind of his bugaboo has been the past couple
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: of years. Is why he hasn't been promoted, is that
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: he's walked. He's walked too many dudes. So I've kind
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of I used to be a Carson Wizen Hunt guy,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: but I've kind of cooled as it kind of stalled
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: out at Triple A over the past couple of years.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: But do you maybe seeing more in this profile?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm probably gonna be on the same
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: wavelength here. And honestly, it's probably less about Carson was
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: in Hunt and than it is about the Giants. You
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: go through and we talk a lot about like here's
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: a team that, if you're a pitcher on, we're really
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: excited to see because this is the kind of guy that, like,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like the Giants over the last few years
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: have gone the opposite direction, where any high octane pitcher
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: with some some decent stuff in the minors but generally
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: has control issues. That's kind of like their their thing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: They can't figure out how to get the most out
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: of them, and then they just kind of squander at
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the upper levels of the minor leagues and they end
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: up trying to shuffle them in and get some starts
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: at them, and they just can't really establish themselves in
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the majors. And I feel like the same thing's coming
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: happening for wizen Hunt here. I just just don't see
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: it playing really well. It's not like he was banging
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: down on the door in Triple A and needing to
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: be called up.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Like there wasn't chatter of.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Like, oh when's wizen Hunt getting come when coming up?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: This isn't like Andrew Painter, this is Bubba Chandler, This
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: isn't I'm trying to think there's there's another a few
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: out there that.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Are doing the same thing.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: It's just like, when do these guys get the opportunity.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Nobody said that about wizen Hunt. It was like a
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: wizen hunts up dart throw. Let's let's see what happens.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm I'm probably I'm more generally just out of
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: giants pictures from a development perspective right now, and car
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Wiz Hunt gets swept up in that.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's all very fair. Okay, Well, with that,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: we are pretty far into this podcast already and we're
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: about to cover a huge slate of injuries, so it's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: gonna be a gloomy time from here on out, I think, so.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Good thing is we don't have a big one to
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: talk about show Heeo Tani because as we've been talking,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: we've actually this is the Wednesday night where he got
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: pulled from his start. Looked a little ominous in terms
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: of the way that he left, but did stay in
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: as the DH and I just saw a skit that
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: he was just going through cramping. So should be full
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: systems go for Otani going forward. We have avoided the scare,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: so that's great. Don't have to talk about an Otani injury.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: We just have a couple of other first rounders to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: talk about. First one, outfielder Aaron Judge of the New
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: York Yankees shelved with a flexer strain in his elbow.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: That's what the imaging came back as for a good
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours it was not sounding good. It was
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: trending towards UCL territory, and honestly at this point too
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: it all. It really sounds like Judge is going to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: probably return before it's kind of fully healed, just so
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: they can get the bat back in the lineup for
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: the Yankees as they're in the throes of this playoff race,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: which will be interesting to see how they manage gian
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Carlos Stanton returning back to the field. Maybe any of
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: those gains we see from Ryan McMahon being at the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: hot corner will be given right back a stand in
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: his pack in the outfield. So as somebody who has
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: judged in a couple of leagues, I'm guessing if you
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: have him on your fancy teams, this is a bad
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: time because I have him in one head to head
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: league in like that had to head league team is
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: just like treading water until Aaron Judge gets back. But
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I mean that's really all you can do right like
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: this is it's certainly a injury that goes on his record,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: but it's not a huge injury. It's not a UCL.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: But any concerns maybe going forward.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's terribly big concerns. Like he
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: was already taking fly balls in the outfield this afternoon,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: not throwing, not throwing by any means. And I think
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: you're right, like he'll come back. He'll he'll still clapper
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the baseball. So I'm not really too concerned. It's just
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: like he's a little extended rest here and he'll be back.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I think that what was really telling is that Spencer
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Jones did not get called up as a result of this.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: And you know Spencer Jones.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, is like a Aaron Judge clone six seven,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: two forty aistlefielder down there in Triple A.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: And you know.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: He's got twenty nine homers, hitting three seventy uh three
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: seventeen sorry with with a thirty one percent strikeout rate,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: which is concerning, but uh, he's clearly done at Triple A,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: and they want to see what happens. If you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Judge was truly going to be out for a while,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I think Jones would have would have gotten the call.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: So uh, you know, if you want to be bold
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: and you want to go, maybe try to play a
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: little backhand game at your your trade deadlines, and you know, say, oh,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Judge is out, I'm gonna sell sell low and see
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: you know what kind of offers you get. I'm not
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I don't blame it. It could be kind of fun,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: but I'm not concerned with with Judge.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: She'll be back. He'll still hit another ten homers the rest
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: of the season.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean that might even be low.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: To be honest, it might be low, but like I'm
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: given the benefit of the doubt, it might be ten
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: homers the rest of this month. And it's July and
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: we have one more day. So somehow he's gonna pull
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: it off.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to that next injury I was
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: talking about, because this one concerns me a little bit more.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: We're talking outfielder from Atlanta, Ronald Lacunya Junior, pulled up yesterday.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I mean you could see it right when he was
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: chasing down this ball pulled up lane after. We've also
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: subsequently learned that, like he was telling Brian Snicker that
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: his leg was not feeling great over the past couple
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: of days and they still kept rolling them out, Which
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: that's a choice for somebody who's coming off of two
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: acl injuries and the Braves are currently sixteen games back
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: in the NL East, so he was left the game.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: They were calling it Achilles tightness, which is not great,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: especially when you're looking at just the rash of Achilles
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: injuries that we talked about when Griffin Canning went down
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and kind of Tyler Haliburton also happened around that same
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: time from the Indiana Pacers, so it's kind of top
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: of mind as that came out. Subsequently, today they have
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: diagnosed him with a Grade one lower calf strain, which
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: still the Achilles I think, which it's a maybe creative
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: accounting for how they report that out to the media,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: but this doesn't trend well I think for Acunya in
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: terms of I mean, he has been on fire absolutely
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: since he returned threeho six, four nine, five seventy seven
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: slash line. That's a one to seventy nine WRC plus,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: which would be a career high fourteen homers over fifty
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: five games. But I thinking, if you're in a dynasty
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: keeper situation you have Acunya, you've got to be pretty.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Slick.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I think about how you divest yourself from this pretty quickly,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: because I just don't like the way that the double
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: ACL injury, then you're talking another lower body injury here.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: This is exactly how an Achilles gets torn. It's just
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: in terms of someone like like Akunya working his way
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: back from those multiple surgeries has changed probably gates and
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: how he just naturally does things, and just it's not
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: all synced up I think anymore mechanically for him. Just
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: think about Byron Buxton. Would you be drafting and holding
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Byron Buxton as a first rounder going forward? Or I
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: mean we're about to talk about him, so like you
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: can maybe say that discussion for Byron Buckston a little bit.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But are you on the same page here with a
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Kunio or are you maybe a little more optimistic about
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: what he could be going forward? As he let me
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: see when he turns twenty eight in December this year,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I think you have to.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think you give him the Bayern Buxton treatment,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: but I think you give him the Bryce Harper treatment,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: which is not too different, which is can't say healthy,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: but I hope you d h like is the is
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the proper treatment here? Because I he's one of those
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: guys and there's nothing wrong with this that just goes
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: all out doesn't have an off switch. There's a whole
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: different conversation about the braves letting them play potentially hurt.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: That's a whole different discussion. I'm not gonna I'm not
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: gonna go down. But he's a world class talent. There
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: is no question about that. He is a Hall of
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Fame talent. I'm not saying he's gonna be in the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, but the talent level could could deliver
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: that type of career. If he can't stay on the
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: field because he continued to has these lower body injuries.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: It's gonna keep zapping the speed, it's gonna keep coming down.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: He's gonna keep hitting power, but he can't get a field.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Another similar guy is Mike Trout. Guy again had a
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: longer run up to it. But like that's been the okay,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: say achilles heel, but that's that's been the challenge there
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: is you know what point does this guy turn into
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: a more of a dh fragile body that you have
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: to try to get the games out of and Acuna
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: seems to be trending that way. So if people are
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: still treating him as a first, second, third rounder, that's
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: that's not correct. That's not correct. You talk about a
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: guy like Buxton, he's probably a top fifty hitter right now,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and I would say that before he got hurt, which
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: will cover him second here. But that's probably the peak
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: for a guy like like this is that top fifty hitters,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: because you just can't rely on them. Fool me once,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: s fool me twice, fool me three times. Like that's
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: where we're at. And even if for a guy that
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: likes the injured guys, three times is a little much.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: And so we'll see.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe that truly is a low calf strain and he's
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: back in the week. I don't think that's going to
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: be the case.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either, especially considering you're looking at
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: just the long term viability of Ronald Lecunya. You know
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: he's signed actually isn't only through the end of next year.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: That's a little crazy there are never mind it's there's
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: club options for twenty seven and twenty eight.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like seventyb options on.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: That, so they will certainly pick that up. But I mean,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: you can already see he's on like a twelve stolen
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: base pace ten to twelve, So I mean he has
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to hit three hundred to be worth a first round pick,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: which the only other time he had done that before
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: this season was in twenty twenty three, which I think
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: we're also seeing a little bit of, like the repercussions
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: of him just going that hard in twenty twenty three
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: for that forty seventy where the wear and tear that
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: he put on his body is coming back. So yeah,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I'm really wary of a Kunya going forward because of
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: all these factors, just because like I think he will
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: go at the end of the first round and drafts
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: next year because people will see what he did in
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the limited time this year and maybe give him a
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: pass on the stolen bases. But I'm not sure these
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: stolen bases are ever coming back.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will I will own like I'm a
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: guy that has not draft, did not draft Aaron Judge
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: for a few years because he just seemed to always
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: be hurt.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Like I get that.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: The upsides there, and when you get it right in
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: a Kunya or Harper or Judge of those kind of
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: guys end up getting healthy and they do their potential.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: You feel kind of like an idiot because you were,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: like I didn't get on that train but.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: More often than not it does not go that way.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: More often than not, you sacrifice your top pick in
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: a draft and you cannot recover from that. And so
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: you have to, especially early in drafts, you have to
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: consider the injury risk and you have to be willing
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: to take a little less upside for the certainty. I will,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I will probably every day. I will not take Aaron
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Judge and I'll take Jose Ramirez. It's it is not
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: a fair fair trade. Their Judge is a better player.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: If they play one hundred and sixty two games, that's
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: the guy that you want on your team. But I
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: don't trust Aaron Judge to play one hundred and sixty
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: two games. I don't trust lernd Kunya. I trust Jose Ramirez.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: That's that's the way that I think you really need
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: to approach these first rounds and drafts.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, Well, let's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: move on to the athletics, who must have acquired some
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: members of the Houston Astros medical staff because they've allowed
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Jacob Wilson, their star rookie shortstop, to play with a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: fractured forearm. They're calling it. I think it's technically like
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: a wrist like right where the wrist in the in
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the forearm kind of all meld together. He's been playing
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: with it since before the All Star Break, and he
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: finally hit the il this week as they finally uncovered
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: what was ailing him. And it was a rough stretch
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: post All Star Break one O three, one thirty three,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: two oh seven slash line. It's a negative sixteen and
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: thirty played appearances for Jacob Wilson. So not great, I
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: would say, in terms of the way that they've diagnosed
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: this and allowed him to really push his way through it. Certainly,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I think this is gonna ruin his Rookie of the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Year chances. Not on top of like Nick Kurtz just
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: kind of going bananas, which we also have had so
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: much to talk about, we've totally glossed over where we
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: gotta miss that one? Yeah? Who, so what are you
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: doing here with Jacob Wilson that Like there was chatter
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: on Reddit I saw this weekend of people really crashing
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: out and like trying to reassess his long term dynasty
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: keeper value and seeing if it had like kind of sunk.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if those folks were too far
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: off base because like there's a lot of I don't
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: know how sticky this profile is, and so you, mister
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: top one hundred hitters, I'm hoping it can help me
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: out because like it's such an aggressive approach where he
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't walk, but he doesn't strike out because the contact
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: ability is so good out of Wilson, and so where
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I have had him, like I've just kind of been
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: waiting for the other shoe to drop in terms of
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: just the babbup to kind of even itself out, and
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: just I did not expect double digit homers out of Wilson.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I was expecting pretty much a peer batting average with
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: some counting stats and a few stolen bases. Do you
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: think that like Jacob Wilson can continue this going forward?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Is there enough in the profile that makes him a
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: perennial contender for the batting league title?
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah? So this is I'm gonna take a victory lap.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: We we love to be able to do this. We
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: usually don't get to. If you if you like to
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: go back.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: In the in the Drugs of ras Ball write ups,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: you can go back to June eighth, when I wrote
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: about Jacob Wilson, how you need to sell him? Uh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: and my comparison was Nico Horner is who you have
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: with Jacob Wilson, And uh, just for fun, let's go
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: back to June eighth and look at his stats since
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: that date, just because I like to take victory laps.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Since June eighth, Jacob Wilson has two homers. He got
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: caught stealing twice. He tried twice, it didn't work so well.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: He hit one ninety five. He Jacob Wilson, is a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: bat first guy. He unfortunately he's his dad. He's Jack Wilson,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: who will poke the ball get some hits. But when
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: you deliver a forty two WRC plus over about two
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: month time period, not a deal. And I get he
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: was hurt on the back of that, which was even worse.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: But when you don't have speed, when you don't really
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: have power and the X of velocities aren't there, you have.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: To be a really, really good.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Slap hitter and place the ball, hit a lot of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: line drives. And that's that's the upside of Jack Wilson.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Jack Wilson, Jacob will sorry going back a little too
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: far showing some age, but I think the upside is
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: that he is a three hundred hitter, but barely anything else.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: This is Luis Rayahs again, this is a Nico Horner
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: type scenario. And so I am de yeah without the steals,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: and so like I'm out, I'm out on Jacob Wilson.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: I have been for a while. And I think that.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Selling windows actually started to close is the hard thing
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: because he was so unbelievable early in the season. And
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make a card reference here. I remember
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: running across some of his cards at a card shop
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: earlier this season, just like some of the odd short
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: prints and shimmers and stuff like that. Somebody had clearly
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: opened like way too much of serious one and I
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: just they were in like a you know, ten cent
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: box or something like that. So I picked him up,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it, went home, looked him up,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: and they were going for like forty fifty bucks each,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, wait a second. I didn't realize how
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: great he was playing like it didn't feel like it.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, this ain't gonna last.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: This it can last.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: So I think, I mean, he had so much hype
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: because he hit the ground running, but it wasn't who
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: he was. Yeah, And I think, you know, we're We're
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: talking about a guy I don't know as a starty
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: middle infielder next year in leagues, And maybe that's harsh,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: but I think it's true.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's totally fair because if it's an
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: empty batting average, I think, like you said, it kind
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: of puts you in an arise type of boat. And
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: on top of it, it's a little bit if it
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: will be dictated by how long the Athletics stay in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Sacramento because that's where the homers are coming from as well.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Is that Yeah, it's really helping his case and it
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: just also boosts his overall counting stats when that lineup
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: is in Sacramento, in that minor league park and it
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: just plays so nice for bats. So that will be
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a factor too, And something that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: you have to consider I think going forward for all
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Athletics bats is like when do you pull the plug
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: on some of these players once we get a timeline
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: on when they're going to move out Sacramento. So something
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: to consider as you're looking at Wilson going forward. Okay,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: we alluded to it. We're getting to it now. Outfielder
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Byron Buxton hurt. Surprisingly this time it's a ribca bitch injury,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: a inflammation of the rib cage, which.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Rib cartilage inflammation and irritation. I'm like, that's a new one.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like this is a little bit like
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: the Tristan Cassas like rib cage injury too, where you're
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: just like, this is not great considering. That's all baseball
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: is with hitting is just like moving your rib cage around.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: You know, you're twisting, you're turning. And so Buxton, I mean,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: he was looking like he was on his way to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: playing his only third season of one hundred plus games
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: in eleven years. I don't know if he's gonna make
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: it now at this point, it is a two eighty
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: two three three five sixty one slash line. It's a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: one forty six three BRC plus. I mean he was
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: a one forty one WRC plus last year. That he
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: is a one forty WRC plus hitter. The question here
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: is whether or not you can get fourigner at bats
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: that played appearances out of him. So is this just
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: who Byron Buckson? Is Are you maybe looking to thread
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the needle of picking him up in dynasty keeper leagues
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: or is this just uh, it is who? He is,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and this is why he's not much more valuable player
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: in fantasy than he turns out to be.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I think that this is it is probably not what
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: you're expecting to say, but I think this is actually
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: the Buxton finally being vible and fantasy, which is I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: feel like the hype has finally met the divergence of
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: the injury.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Risk and this is who he is. But I feel like, uh, as.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I read reports, I'm not actually concerned, like a costless level,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Like I think it's not that bad and they're just
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: babing the guy, and I think that's what he has
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: always needed. Is like anytime bucks And wakes up like
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: his pinky toe herding, you just got to sit them
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: for the day, and that's who you're gonna have. And
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I think the market's now, you know, really baked that
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: into the price. Like I moved him up before the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: injury like nine spots in my top one hundred rankings
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: to forty five, and he's hitting like a top twenty guy.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: And I think it's just so baked into the price
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: right now that I'm actually slightly intrigued in dynasty formats
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: because if the price is finally maybe gone so much
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: the other way that if he is able to squeeze
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: in one hundred games and he's able to do what
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: he's done this year, I'm actually getting that for probably
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: like a top eighty hitter price because people just don't
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: want to play it and so not like an advisable
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: strategy to do that, because it is a little bit
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: playing with fire. But this is different than drafting Ronald
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Coue at the in the first round. This is Byron
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Bucks in the tenth or fifteenth or something like that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's a much different discussion. So I'm I'm
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit more intrigued here just because I think
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: the price is finally baking in the injuries, and I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: think it might be making in so much that it's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: actually a slight by an opportunity in dynasty formats.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I think that's totally fair. Okay. Next injury
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: is to our boy, Kansas City starter Chris Bubich, who
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: has hit the shelf and is going to be out
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the season with a strained rotator cuff.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I can't even believe that it's come to this point, Like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the Royals were doing with him
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: who he was an All Star, and through the end
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: of May it was fantastic. Sixty eight and a third
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: innings of a one forty five ERA nine point two
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: K nine. This is the Chris Boubach we thought that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: he could be. From June on, it was a different story.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Forty eight innings of a four thirteen RA, the K
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: rate had dropped to eight point six, walk right up
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: to three point six, and and he in total this
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: season threw one hundred and sixteen and third innings after
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: throwing thirty and a third last year coming off of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: a Tommy John surgery in twenty twenty three. The Royals
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: should have been tapering these innings a long time ago
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: for Chris Boubach. I had kind of been like preparing
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: for that where they would start like stretching him out,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: sending them down, resting him here there. But they just
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: kept firing him like six seven innings day after day,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: or turn after turning the rotation. And now they might
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: have wrecked him because like rotator cuffs are no bueno.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And so in that head head league I was eluding earlier,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: it's a mad rush to try to find starting pitching
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and there are keepers that he would have Bubich was
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be one of my keepers. I just outright dropped
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: him because I don't want to deal with a rotator
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: cuff injury for him going into the offseason. What are
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you doing in situations like that where Boobitch is probably
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: if you're in a keeper dynasty situation, you probably have
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: him at a very nice value. But now you're talking
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: a really, really threatening injury here for the left hander.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: It is a very wide array of outcomes here, and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's a wider array of decisions. If you're
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: in a dynasty format, you got to hold this guy.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: He's looked great, You have him so ridiculously cheap, but
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: nobody's gonna give you anything for him. In a keeper
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: format where you're generally probably keeping just a handful of guys,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: you've got to let him go, like you you aren't
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: going to see him back this season, very very likely
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: because if you for two things, if you do really
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: really poor management on the Royalist part, if you see
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: him the rest of the season, and to their rushing
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: him back like it's just he's got too many Indians
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: and rotator cuff injuries are there. They're a long tough recovery.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Like I think shoulder injuries are almost becoming worse to
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: agree that elbow injuries from a pitching you know, expected
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: outcome perspective, they just they're not as as projectable as
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: what some other arm injuries are. And so I think
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: you're redraft, you're done with them. I think keeper with
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: not too many keepers, Uh, you're you're done with them.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Dynasty or you know, quasi dynasty like an ot new
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: type format. I think if you've got them cheap, that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: you can you can hold on to him, or at
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: least hold on to to make a decision. But most
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: likely this is the this is you know, he's squarely
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: in my uh, you know target next year as the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: kind of called the Kyle Brads and the Shane Bieber's
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: and the brain of wood drifts of this year that
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you just throw the back of your your your injured
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: listen to see what happens later.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: That's that's where he's dropped to.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: And that's really really unfortunate because he was so so
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: good when healthy.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's uh, those are all fair takes. Okay,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: let's move over to Detroit, where we've got a couple
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: of pictures to talk about. First, Reese Olsen pretty much
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: in the same boat as Chris Boubich where he has
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: a shoulder strain, so they're shutting him down. He should
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: be out for the rest the regular season. There's a
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: little chatter that he might be able to make a
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: bet for the postseason, but I just don't see how
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Detroit risks the twenty five year old's arm. After he's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: pitched a three fifteen RA over sixty eight and two
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: thirds innings this season, he's looked relatively good. To replace them,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: they went to the Twins Pilford, one of those giant pitchers,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the six foot five Chris Paddock, who then pitched today,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: looked really dang good. One earned run over six innings
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: with five k's, no walks. He's been really limiting those walks.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: So what are you doing here with Reese Olsen going
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: forward in keeper situations? A lah Chris Bubich and any
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: interest in Chris Paddock.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Olson's a very very similar as Boobach here,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: maybe a slight ticked down in just my interest long term,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: just because he's not as a dynamic picture from a
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: striking perspective. He's already got a little bit of downside
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: because he's not He's not a strikeout per any type
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: of guy, a little more risk in the profile there.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Paddock, on the other hand, like this is a tough one.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Like you know, Minnesota has not seemed to get the
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: most out of their pictures and Detroit, I don't know.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: If they have or not.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: It seems like some guys thrive, some guys don't, and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: so like, I don't know what to what to expect here.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: So it's Paddock's more of a sit and watch. To
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: your point, I think delivered a really, really good line today,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: but he hasn't really shown that throughout the whole season,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: so things will get thin towards the end of the season.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: There's probably worse.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Options than Paddock, but I think he's still in streaming
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: territory at this point.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just looking up to see if
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: they changed his pitch mix at all, just to see
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: if anything kind of popped out, and it looks like
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: they did. So they're having him throw his change up
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: a tick more and his four seam a tick less.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: They pretty much scrapped Chris paddock slider today and had
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: him go pretty much fastball change and curve. So anything
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: there that maybe you see in terms of the pitches
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I just listened off there that you like in terms
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: of that fastball, that change up or that curveball from
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Chris Paddock, that makes you a little bit more interested
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: because he was with the Twins firing that slider as
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: his third pitch eleven percent of the time and Detroit
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: scrapped it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's the intriguing piece is if
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I always love a pitcher when they go to a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: new spot and they get a pitch mixed change immediately,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: that means the team acquiring saw something and things that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: they found something and they're coaching to that. So it's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: always slightly more intrigued when you see that early success.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: I still don't think there's enough underlying uh nastiness and
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Chris patics profile to really jump on. But you know,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: that might move him from streamer to you know, keep
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: him on the back into the roster type of guy.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: But I still I still need to see more.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: But that that like that gives me hope for a
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: guy like Chris Baddock. But again, the Tigers, I just
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get it's it's good that they're trying something
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: that's that's better than not.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think that's very fair. Okay, let's go
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: to Atlanta where we've got some more picture you're shuffling. First,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: they acquired Eric Fetti and Carlos Carrasco, as that pitching
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: staff has totally fallen apart behind Streider, it's now Fetti, Carrasco,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Joey Wentz, and Bryce Elder. So uh why It's also
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: fascinating that Brian Snicker was trying to play Ronald la
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Kunya through any injury. Because it is over in Atlanta
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: for this season, we're not going to talk about Eric Fetti.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I think he's just eating innings to try to get
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: the Braves to the end of the season. Our focus
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: here is actually who he was kind of brought in
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: to replace, because this has actually happened. I feel like
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: a few times now this year where a player kind
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: of has like vague elbow inflammation, it doesn't sound too serious,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: they put him on the el and then boom, it's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: a sixty dayil. That's what has happened here to Grant Holmes,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: who another guy who honestly just of total mismanagement of
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: the innings, where he was already up to one hundred
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and fifteen innings after throwing sixty eight and a third.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Last year in twenty twenty three, he'd only thrown a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: total of sixty one. So this has been a guy
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: who they just started throwing every fifth day the way
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: they did with Chris Bubac, where of course he was
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: gonna blow out like it was only a matter of time.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Things are not. It doesn't sound great because with the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: sixty dail Stent Holmes is probably for the season. Who
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been much better of late, got that
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: era underneath four the K nine is just at just
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: a tick under ten. At nine point six, went from
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: a guy who I was totally uninterested in to being
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: somebody who I was intrigued by. Now I might be
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: uninterested again because I'm not totally sure about what his
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: elbow looks like. So what are you doing with homes
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: going forward?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I think your rose clear glasses
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: coming from the waiver wire columns. With the grand Holmes
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I probably wasn't too interested before. Maybe again that streamer
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: steamer category, the control is necessarily there. Pedigree wasn't there.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: The back end numbers beyond the whiffs weren't really there,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: and so you can kind of squint and see something interesting,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: but not something that was really reliable. Now that we've
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: got an injury with it, I've just it. I've written
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: them off. I'm moving on and not too interest and
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Grant Holm, I'm putting him into the Bryce elder Braves category,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: which is this was fun while it lasted.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Let's move on. Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, we
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: do have a breaking trade since we've started talking and potting.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Oh no, Chicago Cubs have picked up Michael Soroka, so
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: intriguing to see where he'll slot into that team as
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: either a relief piece or honestly, he's probably going to
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: enter the back of that rotation in lieu of Ben
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Brown and or Kate Horton, or maybe they the Cubs,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: after listening to us talk about how these other teams
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: have blown out their arms, are going to start watching
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: those innings for Horton and Brown going forward. So I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: know you've been a fan of Michael Soroka here over
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: this past year. Things have been up and down in
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: terms of He'll have a few good starts, rattle off
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: a bunch of k's, then regress, and so what do
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: you think he can be with the Cubs? Is it
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: a more intriguing arm now that he's on a much
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: better team.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is a tick up for for
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Mike Soroka here. I've I've been intrigued because you know,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: since returning from some some injury issues the last few years, uh,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: the strikeouts have jumped up, which wasn't really his profile
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: when when he was coming up in the league. Control
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: seems to have improved, and so just a better overall profile.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I know the e RA is not too exciting at
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: four a seven for the year, but some of his
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: underlying metrics are are much much lower.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: His FIP was low for wars, his.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: XDRA is actually mid threes, and so he's actually pitched
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: much better than what the overall results look like. And
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: you've you've seen it in you know, spurts where he
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: will just all of a sudden go six innings, two hits,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: you know seven k's something like that.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Not necessarily a guy that goes terribly deep into games.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: I do think the the Nationals were kind of babing
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: him to to to a degree the last few weeks
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: trying to get to the trade deadline to to make
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: a move with him, and so at the same time,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: I think that the the Cubs just can use and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: abuse him like that's that he's you know, a twenty
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: seven year old.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Uh here, he's he'll be you know, be twenty eight
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: here in just a few days.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Uh birthday, Yeah, happy birthday, Michael Soroka, go play in Chicago.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: But uh, I actually he's got to be thrilled with
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: that he's got an opportunity to to be in a
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: race here. But I think he's definitely intriguing. He's a
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: step above streamer for me, definitely back in. Maybe not
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: a true start all the time type of guy, but
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see if the Cubs make any
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: make any tweaks with him here and really see, you know,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: is there was there a big return on this one.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Han't had a chance to dig in since breaking news here.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: But for for guys Schroka, I expected to be kind
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: of a few, you know, further off mid level guys. Uh,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: maybe one top thirty prospect for the team.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Nope, You're right, it is for Christian Franklin and Ronnie
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Crewe's who I will admit I am not familiar with
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: either of them. So yeah, let's see if there's information
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: here on m'll be trade rumors about them come through
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: for me Mark Polishuk And of course it's not loading
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: for me very well because everybody else is trying to refresh.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: Rodny Cruz was number thirteen on the in the Cubs system,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: and Franklin does not appear that he Oh, Franklin's fourteen,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: so number thirteen and fourteen prospects. I think the thing
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: you have to recognize with Franklin he is a twenty
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: five year old at Triple A.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Where's Cruz as an eighteen year old and rookie ball.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: So you couldn't have it any further offict their lottery ticket,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: but it, you know, it looks like, yeah, Franklin is
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: is hasn't really done a whole lot there at Triple A.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: So it does seem like kind of more of a
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: salary dump slash, give us a lottery ticket for long
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: term there in Ronnie Cruz.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well I gave you a little bit of
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: a pre from the injuries, but we're going right back now.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: We've got we've got shoulder discomfort for closer in Baltimore.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Felix Bautista not at a great time, came right before
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the trade deadline. I think they would have dealt him
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: because things have just been not trending well. Even though
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: the surface level stats have been great for Bautista. You know,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: a thirteen K nine two point six e RA nineteen
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: saves for a pretty crummy team, but the walk rate
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: was starting to get to six per nine, and so
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: you can kind of see where this could unravel pretty quickly.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Also kind of lines up that if the shoulder wasn't
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: feeling quite as great, that the ability to throw accurately
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: was quite there. So thoughts here on Felix bautistaff.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is concerning. Like Europe's right, he would have
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: been traded.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: His stuff is still absolutely nasty, but he truly does
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: not know where it's going. You know, He'll look at
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: his baseball Savan page is really fun. It's like alread
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: except for the one percentile and walk rate, so nobody
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: can hit it, but nobody needs to swing in it either,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: so that that does make it a bit of a challenge.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: But his era and things like that have actually kind
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: of covered up It's been really kind of a rough
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: season for Bautista coming off Tommy John you know, last
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: last few years recovering. We were hoping for more this year,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: and I don't think we can expect him back anytime soon.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: I think they'll probably try to get him back before
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: the end of the season, just to see what they
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: what they got and decide, you know, how much they're
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: gonna deal with through arbitration things like that. They probably
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: would have traded him in the off season if they're able
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: to get him back and healthy as what I would expect.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Yep, I think that's fair. Let's focus on the Baltimore
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: bullpen a little bit, because they did trade away the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: two p is that actually might have been the closer
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: in lieu of Felix Bautista between Greg Rissoto and yesterday
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: they traded between a doubleheader. They traded Sir Anthony Dominguez
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: across the Diamond to the Blue Jays. So there's a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: pretty good clip of Dominguez walking back across the bullpens
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: in his new Blue Jays gear, passed his old teammates,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: and it's just kind of one of those fun things
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: that really only happens in Baseball, the player that he
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: was actually traded for to Jirron Botts Brown in Triple A.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: The those teams between Buffalo and Norfolk were also playing
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: each other. I believe it was. That's the level there. No,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: it's actually a double A, my bad, so between Bowie
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: and I don't know the Toronto Double A team off
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: the top of my head. But he also did the
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: same thing where he was like he had traveled with
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays Double A team and then ended up
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: on the Bowie Bays socks by the end of the day.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: So pretty fun stuff there. Any names intrigue you there
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: between Jennie your Canoe Andrew Kiddridge Corporate Martin got his
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: first career saved yesterday just through the chaos and the doubleheader.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Kegan Aiken's hanging out there. Lots of names to maybe
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: target here for I mean, the Baltimore team's gonna sell
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit more, but they've been playing much better of.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, so, I you know, if I'm been picking name,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: there's probably not a sexy name. I think most people
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: would say y your Canoe. Granted he gave up five
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: runs today and took the loss against the Blue Jays,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: I really think that the guy to look at there
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: is Andrew Kittridge. I think he's he's the best arm
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: in that bullpen, and honestly, he's he's been a really
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: good arm for like a number of years, one of
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: the most probably reliable like middle relievers there is in
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: the game, which is like the most unassuming and coming
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: from Tampa Bay for never few years like is just
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: you know, patting to Tampa Bay unassuming players, but just
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: whenever he's healthy, he keeps the walk down, he strikes
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: some guys out, absolutely ground ball machine, and he just
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: gets the job done. So I think Andrew Kittridge is
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: really the guy that I would be most intrigued with
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: this this team here. He did pitch today as well.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: He got a whole inning in, struck out a guy
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: while putting down the down the side, and I will
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: say when he did that, it was in the ninth,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: ninth inning, trying to keep a one run game. So
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: at this point, I think Kittridge is the is the guy.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree there, So assuming he sticks with the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: team through the deadline, because he is, He's got a
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: club option for next year at ten million, which would
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: be easy to decline. But a pretty intriguing arm of
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: three fifty six ERA with a nine point two K
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: nine over thirty and a third innings this year.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the kind of guy that, like you
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: threw up from a fab bit or something like a
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: massive fab bib to tight that you regret it, say
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: when he gets traded. So this is is such an
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: interesting time right now. Is like you want to get
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: the first move advantage on these guys like Kittridge, which
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think is like his household of the name,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: but should absolutely be the closure in my opinion.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: You just want to kind of grab him and move on.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: But you don't want to waste all your five dollars
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: all night that when you could just completely be gone
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: in twenty four hours.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to our next injury. We've got
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: San Francisco Giants starter at Land and Roupe hit the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: il with a sore elbow. He's been really good in
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: July four starts one point eight ERA over twenty innings
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: with twenty one to eight strikeout to walk. Ratio has
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: also come with a forty five percent ground ball rate
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: that he's kind of patented for. Great news here is
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: he actually threw off a flat ground today, so he's
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: on his way back, so should be back next week.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I think I just kind of want to call that
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: out because when I originally put this piece of news
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: onto our rundown yet today, I was ready to lament
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: the loss of land and route from our player pool.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: But now I think I'm suggesting probably to stash him
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: away if he's going to be back pretty soon. Seems
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: like a situation where again kind of like those players
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: with Bubitch and others where we were talking about just
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: abusing those arms too much. The Giants are probably finding
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: a way to taper Rup, as he's already rapidly closing
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: in on a career high in innings.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to reiterate with a sayment I made earlier
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: general principle as I ignore all Giants starters, and so
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: even though the things look interesting recent trends under the covers,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: it's it's kind of iffy.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: I've just written them off. Whether or not I'm wrong
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: or right, I don't really care. I have not. I'm
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: not playing in that pool anymore.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: I hear you. Okay, Well, another guy with a bum
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: elbow after throwing a boatload of innings after an injured season.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: We've got left hander Brandon Walter for the Houston Astros,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: who at this point is up to just over one
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: hundred total innings between Triple A and the Majors after
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: missing all of twenty twenty four with an injury, so
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: he was placed in the eel. He's been really good.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: He's been one of my favorite suggestions I've had of
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: late with a three three five RA over fifty three
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: and two thirds innings, eight point seven K nine less
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: than a walk pern inning a point sixty seven K
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: or walk per nine. That's why I meant less than
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: one walk per nine, not per inning. That would be
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: not as impressive. You would hope it happens.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: I feel as Batista could do that exactly.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: And so this is another guy who I think it's
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: it'll be fascinating to watch how Houston handles him because
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: they have done a little better of this compared to
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: what you know the Royals have just done with Chris Bubach.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: So I think it's actually an intriguing by opportunity and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: kind of keeper Dinas situations for the twenty eight Walter.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Twenty eight year old Walter what do you think?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right, because like his
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: underlying numbers look really really solid. I love a guy
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: that can control, have the control, and knows what he's doing.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: There's just a lot to like about this profile, and
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: he's it's not just you know, what he's done with
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: the majors this year, but he seems to have have
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: done these same things across the minor league, just you
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: know here and there. You know, every guy gets a
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: little staple size, small sample size of the miners, but overall,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: he's he's actually there's probably more strikeout upside than what
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: he's actually shown at this point. And the control probably
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: not as good as the point six seven walk per nine,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: but still probably better than what he's done. He's he's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: had a three thirty five e RA and all the
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: metrics say it's it's probably about right, and I think
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: that there's like even more behind that.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: He had really like one blow up.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Game if I recall on his game log this year,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: and if you exclude that, actually he had kind of
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: kind of called two. But he gave up seven runs
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: and six innings on June twenty first, and then he
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: gave five and five on the July third, but those
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: were the only two games he gave up more than
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: two earned runs across this entire season. So seven other
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: games he was two earned runs are less. And that's
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: a total of four walks this year against fifty two strikeouts.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: So it's actually really intriguing. It's kind of given me
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: a little one hundred brown vibes over there for Houston,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: where a few bad starts kind of sour people, and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: not to look under the covers. I'm not nearly as
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: excited as as what I was. I'm a big hundred
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: round truther. I love him, but I think that there's
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of injury here and it's just
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: going on to the radar, and so I probably even
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: until we were talking out of here, the more and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: more I look, I just I like what I see.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: So, uh yeah, maybe just a.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Buy an opportunity right now, as long as the injury,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: uh isn't such a big deal.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's uh. I think we're pretty much
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: un locked up there. Okay, We've just got a few
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: more injuries, I promise next one, because they're all pretty
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: major like these have been. It's been a crazy week.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Next one, we have hamstring injuries, sending Jack Kaglione to
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: the injured list. Uh, it's been rough for the rookie
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: out of Florida, Jack Tani one forty seven two o
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: five twot eighty. That is a twenty nine WRC plus
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: with that slash line, and it's not been strikeouts. The
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: strikeouts are fine at twenty one point one percent. The
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: issue is this is actually something why I wasn't quite
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I know that we really hyped in hype Jack Tani,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: like when he came up and stuff, but like I
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: was not into him the way that I was with Kurtz,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: where like there was no flaw I could find in Kurts.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Because this is something where Eric Longen can actually flag
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: this pretty quickly from fangrafts when he was ranking Jack Kagliona.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Is just the way that his swing works. It leads
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: to a lot of ground balls. There's not a lot
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: of time where he leads that barrel in the zone.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: So it's resulted in a fifty percent ground ball rate
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: right now, which everything else looks good except for that.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: So is that just like the one flaw that Jack
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Twani needs to fix, or there are other parts of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: the profile that you see that are kind of worrisome
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: for you. I mean, he was only a twenty two
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: year old, so there's plenty of runway for him to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: turn it around. But obviously there are flaws that have
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: been exploited at the major league level.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not terribly concerned. It's it I say that
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I wan to say. But it's also the Brian Hayes
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: conversation we had earlier. Like, one thing that you really
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: need to work through is because you cannot survive in
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: this league by putting the ball on the ground half
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: the time as a power hitter, that just doesn't work
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: unless you get some crazy, crazy luck. And then in
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: the miners, he's a home run for fly ball of
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: like a third, Like it was one out of every
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: three fly balls just flying out of the park.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: Well, that that.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Can work with a you know, mid forties round ball rate,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: and that looks pretty gush starning good on the on
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: the stat page, but like that's that's like air judge
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Kyle Rally territory to be able to maintain those kind
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: of kind of metrics, And so you don't expect a
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: guy to do that. And so if you have a
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: down time, this is this is what's going to happen.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: So I still think he's an incredible talent. I you know,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Kurt struggled to beginning. Lots of lots of young talented
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: power hitters struggle, and I think he's got a lot more.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: But I think there is that warning sign, like, let's
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: watch this piece because if if that remains, it's gonna
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: capas upside. It's absolutely Capa's upside. You know, there is
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of a It's kind of like the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: launch angle was the trend a few years ago now,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: like the long batpath through the zone is kind of
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: a trend now that you're seeing is trying to keep
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: it in there and that's just not what jack TONI
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: likes to do.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, next injury we have is actually a guy
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: who is working his way back. He's out on a
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: rehab assignment right now, should be back this weekend. It
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: is catcher Alejandro Kirk from the Toronto Blue Jays, went
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: on the Seven Day Concussion. I l I mostly just
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: kind of wanted to bring this up because we haven't
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: ever really given Alejandro Kirkis followers on this podcast, and
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to see what you think about him.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: It's been a fantastic season for the twenty six year
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: old three oh four three sixty one four thirteen slash line.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: That's a one to seventeen WRC plus, an eight point
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: four percent k rate versus a nine point eight percent
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I messed it up. Eight point four percent walk rate
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: versus a nine point eight percent k rate. Seven homers.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: This is the guy that we were expecting back in
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, coming off of that fantastic twenty twenty
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: two season for Kirk when he put up fourteen homers
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: with a one twenty nine WRC plus. Is it somebody
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: that you trust going forward as your catcher one?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's something I trust going for is my
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: catcher one? But barely, you know, I think he the
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: lineup he's in is not really the greatest supporting staff
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: at this point. It's there's there's spots of highlight there.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: He is a true true catcher. So he's not getting
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: his you know, full time. He's he's getting days off
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: here and there. And you know what, I I think
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: I've got him like right at the top ten twelve
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: type catcher. He is hitting three or four this year,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: but that is with a three twenty babeup, which is
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: well well above his career average. You know, you know,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: if we were talking about the biggest burden the league
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: and he's running a three twenty babait.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, yeah, I believe it. For fun, We're
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: gonna play our game, you know, the game. What is
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: Aljandro Kirk's sprint speed? You know, I'm gonna set you up
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: for this one three twenty babit this year? Uh he's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: is he sneak? Is he sneaky fast? This is the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: five eight two forty five pound Alejandro Kirk.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think he is. I think it's like a
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: twenty three percent percent tile sprint speed.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: You were so close if you got rid of the three,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: it's two. Okay.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: You had me worried there for a little bit. That
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: was a good That was a good trick.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: So Alejandro Kirk is not the speediest guy. So I
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: think that there's a little movement in the bat average
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: that it will drop down. I don't think he's gonna
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: hit two fifty, but I do think that he's more
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: of like a two seventy.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: Two eighty hitter.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna poke ten to fifteen home runs and have
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: a handful accounting stats, which that's a decent back end
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: number one catcher. But I'm not overly excited because Ketcher
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: has become a lot deeper this year with that young
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: krup cup crop coming up. So if somebody's enamored with Kirk,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: I think you can replace him without too much headache.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he'll be intriguing to see what his
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: draft price is, because like he could either be I
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: could see going both ways, where like people see this
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: and project more growth and he gets over inflated, or
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: people who were invested over the past couple of years
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: on him remember being burnt and he kind of falls
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: and then becomes a huge value pick for number one
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: catcher just because he's not losing that job in Toronto
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: anytime soon. So somebody to keep an eye on going forward.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: In Alejandro Kirk. Okay, we've got one last injury, and
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: I know this one. I'm stabbing you right through the
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: heart with it, because honestly, this happened just right after
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: we talked about him on one of our podcasts that
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: like roughly around the same time Travis went down with
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: what they were calling triceps tightness. And that's another one
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: of those injuries where I'm not sure I've ever heard
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: of a pitcher going through triceps tightness and it ever
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: working out well. So we have Travis Kor, who was
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: absolutely dominating the minor leagues. He had lost eighty five
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: innings in single A with a two thirty three run
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: to average ERA, a thirty nine point two percent k rate.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: It's just like bananas, bananas, nasty stuff. When we talked
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: about him roughly a month ago, we were already kind
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: of projected, do they possibly bring him up at the
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: end of season? Tommy John surgery gonna keep him out certainly,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: probably through the end of twenty twenty six at this point,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: because at this.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's a two year deal.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Washington's got no reason to rush him. They're going
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: to try to get what they can out of Travis
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Decorr going forward. So what do you do with arms
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: like this where I mean, I know for you he
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: was moving to probably like your number one pitching prospect.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: Is it worth hanging on all the way to twenty
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: twenty seven for you?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think it is.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe a dynasty format, like because I he
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: is like the number one, but like This is kind
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: of the Ricky Tieteman type of thing where he was
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: up to that point and then injuries, but the fall,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: and so I think you got to be cautious. Like
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: I absolutely love Trevis Sikora. I think he was, like
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: you said, he's twenty number one. To me, he was
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: the number one pitching prospect in the minors. He was
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: better than almost anybody else out there. The age that
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: he was, the levels he was hitting, the just the
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: stuff that he was exhibiting. The strikeout numbers were incredible,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: like they were a world class compared to his peers,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: and so and it wasn't just like that piece. He
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: had showed control, he showed the ability to keep it
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: on the ground. He did all the good things. And
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: so it is really disappointing to see to see this,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: you know, you kind of look at this as this
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: the all young pitchers need to get Tommy John Let's
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: get out of the way and come back. So I'm
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: a little bit more willing, but in most leagues right now,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: unless is a deep dynasty league where I would hold him,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at this with more of like a hey,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: kind of get him off the rosher for right now,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: I'll probably come back next year and Adam on you know,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: back of rosters things like that and more keeper dynasty
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: to leagues. But I'm looking more of a twenty twenty
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: seven pick up and stash type type of thing.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, I think that's all very fair. So yeah,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: wish him the best in his recovery and hopefully we
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: get to see it happen at the big leagues because
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: there was some electric stuff. Okay, Well, we're gonna wrap
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: on kind of a sad note. Unfortunately, we have news
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: that Ryan Sandberg, Hall of Famer from the Chicago Cubs,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: passed away just yesterday on Tuesday. So he was sixty
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: five years old, had been battling prostate cancer for quite
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: a while and really ultimately way too young to be going.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: So certainly a fan favorite in Chicago. This is not
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: the most Cubs pro Cubs podcast you'll find out there,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: and between us both being Cardinals fans and I also
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: my secondary team is the White Sox, and even though
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: I lived just five miles west of Brigley, have never
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: been a huge fan of anything Cubs, except for I
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: would say Ryan Sandberg that like there was just a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: gravitas to him as we were growing up. We probably
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: caught we caught the tail end more so of his career,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: but still, like, if there was one player that I
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching on the Cubs and got to see
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: often because of WGN growing up, it was Ryan Sandberg.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Between just the his ability to hit in clutch situations,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: holding the all time home run record for second baseman
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: before Jeff Kent and Robinson Cano came along. The defense
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: stands out to me too, because that's one thing I
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: really want to highlight with Ryan Sandberg is like some
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: of my favorite cards actually are the nineteen ninety three
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: upper Deck ryin Sandberg where he's leaping above and catching
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: snaring out a line drive out of above his head
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: and going full stretch. The other one, do you remember
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: this one? The nineteen ninety four tops Ryan Sandberg card
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: where it's like a in motion he's like catching it
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: and turning a double play at second base and wearing
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Also what is my favorite Cubs road jersey with the
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: gray with the little kind of cubbies on the side
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: and the big old cubs across his chest, and so
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: just like he looked great on baseball cards and he
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: was such a fun player to watch. Also just a
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: humble dude in terms of like whenever you saw him
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: speak in Chicago Land. He's also really he had a
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: couple of really good billboard ads around O'Hair between one
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: doing like the hair treatment the hair plugs, and two
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: he was a huge sponsor of cannabis companies, Like he
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: had teamed up with a cannabis company here in Chicago
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: and was all over billboards. So just a really popular guy.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: And you've been seeing the memorials kind of set up
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: for him outside of Wrigley and all the just positive
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  Speaker 1: things that have poured in. Another just interesting thing about him,
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  Speaker 1: Remember when he retired for a brief moment in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four, then came back and was still like an
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  Speaker 1: impressive player at thirty four, slugged a ton of homers
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  Speaker 1: after taking an entire year off. Just kind of wanting
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  Speaker 1: to shout out and say rest in peace. Ryan Sandberg
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  Speaker 1: that even from a very pro Cardinals podcast here, you
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  Speaker 1: got to us in terms of touching our hearts and
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  Speaker 1: making us love baseball. So we'll miss you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think you said it well.
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  Speaker 2: Durable player, always there, you know, always did things the
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  Speaker 2: right way.
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  Speaker 3: You know one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we love to make the connection across the
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  Speaker 2: game to the fantasies to the cards in this one
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  Speaker 2: and I'll call out I was just seeing there something
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  Speaker 2: we don't actually talk about much on this podcast, but
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely part of the collecting community is the there's
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  Speaker 2: a small sect, i'd say, of the through the mail
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  Speaker 2: autograph seekers out there that loved to send cards off
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  Speaker 2: to retired players and try to.
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  Speaker 3: Get their autographs.
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  Speaker 2: And Ryan Sandberg was a huge part of that scene.
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  Speaker 2: He was one of the few Hall of famers that
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  Speaker 2: you could just mail a card to send them a
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  Speaker 2: donation for a foundation. He'd sign a card and send
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  Speaker 2: it right back within like two weeks. And he you know,
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  Speaker 2: I actually saw a post that he was up until
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  Speaker 2: the last few weeks he was still signing autographs for fans.
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  Speaker 2: He's still making the time. He was just absolutely a
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  Speaker 2: world class human being. So gone too soon, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you. I was caught a little
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  Speaker 2: surprised by.
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  Speaker 3: By this one.
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  Speaker 2: Like I knew he had been a struggle for him,
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  Speaker 2: but it did still feel like a much, much too soon.
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  Speaker 2: So uh, wishing the best for for the I will
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  Speaker 2: say the Cubs fans, the Cubs family, Ryan Sandbridge family,
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  Speaker 2: with with this, with this, with this passing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. So we can also maybe hunt down
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  Speaker 1: some PC editions for him, because we've we will be
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: revisiting that, I think probably in the new future for
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  Speaker 1: some of the Hall of Fame inductions. Another thing that
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  Speaker 1: happened that we didn't get to, uh since the last
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  Speaker 1: time we potted, But we've only got limited time, so
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap it up here. Brew Let everybody
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• 1:44:43
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• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: your work?
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I alluded to at the top of the podcast, Uh,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: you know, roughly two hours ago or so, I'm doing
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: those Waiver Wire columns on Saturday. Check it out this
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: week because we're going to have the wrap up of
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: all the moves from the deadline. To be able to
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: figure out how all the puzzle pieces fit back together.
• 1:45:03
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• 1:45:09
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• 1:45:13
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• 1:45:27
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  Speaker 1: to try to win your leagues down the stretch here
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. And with that, we're gonna wrap
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  Speaker 1: it up this week. We will be back, same time,
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